India’s urban centres are expanding at breakneck speed, but its creaking transport systems are struggling. Traffic congestion, poor road safety, air pollution and lack of parking space are challenges that must be solved if we are to have sustainable urban growth.
Sobia Rafiq and Sukhmani Grover, who are engaging with communities and working with the government to untangle the mess in Bangalore, speak to All Indians Matter about what the rest of India can learn from the Bengaluru Moving initiative.
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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to all Indians matter I must of engineer.
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Speaker 1: As India's urban centres expand quickly, creaking transport systems are struggling.
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Speaker 1: There is a pressing need to transform urban mobility.
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Speaker 1: Traffic congestion, poor road safety, air pollution and lack of
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Speaker 1: parking space are serious urban transportation challenges that must be
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Speaker 1: solved if we are to have sustainable urban growth.
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Speaker 1: All Indians matter.
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Speaker 1: We are on the show to guests was striving to
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Speaker 1: make a difference and architect an urban planner. So B.
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Speaker 1: Rafique is committed to solving complex environmental issues in India's cities.
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Speaker 1: This led to her working with a variety of factors,
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Speaker 1: from municipalities and state government bodies to private organisations and
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Speaker 1: resident communities. She is the cofounder
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Speaker 1: of sensing local new bank that is working across sectors
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Speaker 1: like solid waste management,
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Speaker 1: air pollution, sustainable mobility, water management and way finding systems.
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Speaker 1: Sensing local has a strong belief in the power of
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Speaker 1: ground up citizen led participatory planning to make a city's
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Speaker 1: more livable and sustainable. She is a post graduate from
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Speaker 1: the city's department at the London School of Economics and
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Speaker 1: Social Science
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Speaker 1: Soup Money Go, meanwhile, is director assistant citizen engagement for
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Speaker 1: the young leaders for active citizenship or while Suk Money
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Speaker 1: is a development strategist and practitioner with extensive experience at
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Speaker 1: the intersection of policy, grassroots mobilisation and active citizenship. She
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Speaker 1: is a graduate from the College of Business Studies,
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Speaker 1: University of Delhi and has an M A in sociology.
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Speaker 1: Suk Money has worked with a Tony Blair Faith Foundation
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Speaker 1: on experiential learning and with UNICEF for building a citizen's charter.
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Speaker 1: She learned community organising from Harvard Kennedy School.
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Speaker 1: So B and Suk money our drivers of the Bengaluru
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Speaker 1: Moving campaign. It is a mobility campaign to solve the
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Speaker 1: problems of ever present traffic congestion, cumbersome commutes and air pollution.
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Speaker 1: In the Bengaluru metropolitan area, the average citizen spends more
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Speaker 1: than 240 hours stuck in traffic every year. This means
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Speaker 1: that they are less productive,
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Speaker 1: There is dirty A
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Speaker 1: and goods and services are more expensive. The campaign inch
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Speaker 1: to develop robust, accessible, non more Christ transport systems, such
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Speaker 1: as walking, cycling and related infrastructure that are also gender
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Speaker 1: inclusive and prioritise women's safety. The campaign has achieved a
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Speaker 1: measure of success in today we speak to Serbia and
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Speaker 1: suit money about the need for better urban mobility in
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Speaker 1: India and potential solutions welcomes a B and soup money
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Speaker 2: hire shop. Thank you Firing.
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Speaker 1: It's a both. So let's try to S o B
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Speaker 1: in suk money. India is organising at a rapid rate.
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Speaker 1: In the 19 oh one census, the urban population was 11.4%
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Speaker 1: of the total. By 2001, it had risen 28.53% and
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Speaker 1: by 2017 it was 34%. The rate is rising further.
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Speaker 1: According to a UN study, it will be 40.76% by 2030.
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Speaker 1: This is a non fact. We continue to see a
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Speaker 1: rise in the ownership of private where he can. So
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Speaker 1: how does foresee this will impact the city's? What is
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Speaker 1: the role of sustainable modes of transportation? Samir, you could
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Speaker 1: go first and suck money. They maybe you could follow.
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Speaker 2: So, um, in rightly, as you said, organisation of past
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Speaker 2: health increase tremendous me and
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Speaker 2: coming from Bangalore distant give you the example of Anglo
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Speaker 2: because I think it's been one of lowest underdog cities
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Speaker 2: that have really jumped up now to the talks. We
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Speaker 2: are on 80 lock vehicles in 2019. We are second
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Speaker 2: only to Delhi,
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Speaker 2: however, which is Delhi, which is actually 1.5 road or vehicle.
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Speaker 2: However, we are sitting on 80 lock vehicles, only 10
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Speaker 2: kilometres of road. Mint
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Speaker 2: deli at least has 30 kilometres of movement.
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Speaker 2: What this means is that I have less infrastructure. I
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Speaker 2: have more medicals, almost 5 to 6 lakh. Very Katara
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Speaker 2: Gary added. And with covet, we know that has increased
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Speaker 2: further because the adoption of public transport is reduced, people
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Speaker 2: taking other modes to just prevent being exposed. Also his reduced.
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Speaker 2: We have a lot of people that have also started
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Speaker 2: buying cards
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Speaker 2: A just in to ensure safe transport
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Speaker 2: and impact. When you go back to bangle, be has
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Speaker 2: one of the examples right and we're seeing this across
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Speaker 2: all our cities where public transport is really lacking or
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Speaker 2: my any other sustainable mode infrastructure is backing.
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Speaker 2: We see that,
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Speaker 2: for instance, buses
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Speaker 2: you need 1.2 buses per 1000 people.
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Speaker 2: That is the norm. As per the act. A city
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Speaker 2: like Bangla needs around 15 buses.
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Speaker 2: What we have right now is around 6000.
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Speaker 2: That's again
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Speaker 2: when we talk about Metro, a metro project here has
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Speaker 2: been like going on for years. Like everyone, kilometre is
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Speaker 2: sufficient for one lakh population
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Speaker 2: bangle 100 kilometres. Guess sitting on 42 kilometres. So what
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Speaker 2: you're CEO is that my traffic is increasing. Their public
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Speaker 2: transport is always. Infrastructure is always lagging behind. It's going
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Speaker 2: to be less people that are working, less people, taking
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Speaker 2: cycling or any other moons. What you're coming back down
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Speaker 2: to is at least to look at neighbourhoods
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Speaker 2: but unsure if people have realised the quality of upper
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Speaker 2: parts in our Indian cities. Even that prevents even the
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Speaker 2: basic of a neighbourhood that you can walk in
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Speaker 2: from happening. So I think like soup money can definitely
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Speaker 2: add into that. But yes, sustainable mobility is a huge aspect.
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Speaker 2: But because we cannot, we do not have faced to
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Speaker 2: increase Agca's anymore, which is this non negotiable?
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Speaker 1: I think adding to that, this definitely has a large
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Speaker 1: impact on our cities and our day to day life. Also,
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Speaker 1: we have been working in Bangalore you for a few
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Speaker 1: months now, and a shock mobility and some of the
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Speaker 1: things our feet have closely observed is definitely there is
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Speaker 1: a need for sustainable transport like with increasing urban population,
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Speaker 1: we all know that congestion has been increasing. This
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Speaker 1: time spent in commuting is indicative of the problems that
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Speaker 1: come with increasing ownership and the use of private vehicles
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Speaker 1: more over 95% of the Indian transport sectors. Demand for
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Speaker 1: fuel is met by a petroleum based derivative, so get
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Speaker 1: another important consideration.
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Speaker 1: Also, vehicular emissions have been contributing to air pollution, which
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Speaker 1: has led to several respiratory ailments and even deaths
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Speaker 1: for the building. More and bigger roads or highway is
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Speaker 1: unlikely to solve the problem, and still recently this has
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Speaker 1: been the effort because winding roads has never really been
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Speaker 1: the solution to reducing condition. If we expand roads,
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Speaker 1: additional traffic sweeps in to fill the extra space, and
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Speaker 1: the phenomenon is commonly referred to as in EU's demands
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Speaker 1: and the idea that once supply increases, the suppressed demand
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Speaker 1: for a good Reza faces and more of it is consumed.
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Speaker 1: This is specially seen in the case of transportation systems,
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Speaker 1: and it's often used as an argument against increasing road
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Speaker 1: capacity as a solution to congestions.
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Speaker 1: Therefore, basin Odin need to incentivise them, design better public
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Speaker 1: transport and also improve pedestrian access and force my last
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Speaker 1: meal connectivity of kind of services.
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Speaker 1: Another important thing is creation of France. It helps with
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Speaker 1: different moods intersect that can also service generators of economic
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Speaker 1: activity as well as active cultural notes for the cities.
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Speaker 1: A focus shit also be on moving people rather than vehicles.
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Speaker 1: That approach will definitely help us better developed better solutions.
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Speaker 1: Lastly at, say, a rich countries in one where the
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Speaker 1: four own cast but one were the rich use public transport.
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Speaker 1: And that should be our, you know, ideally effort, vision,
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Speaker 1: everything. That dude I see. I identify with so much
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Speaker 1: because all of these things I am saying in Bombay
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Speaker 1: to where I live. You know what you spoke about?
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Speaker 1: The Metro. You spoke over the lack of wide enough
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Speaker 1: roads and all of those things, like I could identify more.
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Speaker 1: So we are. How does mobility flow affect the process
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Speaker 1: of urbanisation itself? For example,
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Speaker 1: can it affected city special morphology?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. So
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you guys must be aware by
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Speaker 2: a Mumbai master plan was also in a hold. A
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Speaker 2: lot of opposition. Same thing has happened in Bangalore as well.
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Speaker 2: We don't have a master plan.
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Speaker 2: We don't have a plan to go basically right. And
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Speaker 2: when we don't have a plan to growth, growth is
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Speaker 2: still going to happen because the Six Cities and Opportunity
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Speaker 2: So I am going to continue to have a flow
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Speaker 2: of people and people are going to appropriate space. Private
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Speaker 2: guys are going to continue to buy land and compute
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Speaker 2: a bill because there is a demand.
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Speaker 2: However, if used, think back and say if I actually
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Speaker 2: capped the capacity of the city,
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Speaker 2: half are still left. People activate that use that active
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Speaker 2: city engineer spent on the Jones.
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Speaker 2: What this means is you start looking at regional level
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Speaker 2: of
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Speaker 2: so if I had speed, rail
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Speaker 2: or Metro very foreigners that connected me to outer town.
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Speaker 2: So in in Bangla, very interestingly, you have to you
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Speaker 2: have my so all within 1.5 2 hours a distance. However,
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Speaker 2: by the real connect, the little people could still with
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Speaker 2: level those places and come here to work.
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Speaker 2: Work from home is also increasing.
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Speaker 2: But what this requires his his mobility. You can control
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Speaker 2: the growth of your city if you plan your connexions
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Speaker 2: for people to move will between or in and out
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Speaker 2: a few. City similarly comes to aspects like looking at
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Speaker 2: for small A Last night. I will take the Metro
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Speaker 2: if
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Speaker 2: it's easy for me to walk to the Metro
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Speaker 2: and for me to get to my workplace, who from
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Speaker 2: them a trossman. If I don't have last month an
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Speaker 2: activity and I don't have an integration of my last
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Speaker 2: month and see whether it be within a model change
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Speaker 2: between the same world I will not take it is
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Speaker 2: just inconvenience life. It goes down to even the basically
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Speaker 2: saying having parking
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Speaker 2: act a metro station
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Speaker 2: and that the land along with the Metro station itself
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Speaker 2: and use all often see all of that where the
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Speaker 2: Metro looks at only met through as um and it
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Speaker 2: doesn't look at Where is my demands. One to come
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Speaker 2: out of, I indicate to the bus also indicates with
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Speaker 2: the also zar to integrate with shared cycle and
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Speaker 2: similarly with your regional rails that you have to be
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Speaker 2: really Look at them,
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Speaker 2: be on just the aspect of okay and connecting a
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Speaker 2: city to a city. But connect you or rail from
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Speaker 2: the Mysore. Some ice over there coming towards station to
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Speaker 2: then the Metro stations. Then they So yes, it is
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Speaker 2: integral to control
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Speaker 2: organisation. There is no other way. You make the movement
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Speaker 2: easy and people will move out.
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Speaker 1: They are absolutely a development. This access to our mum,
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Speaker 1: mobility of the lack of it,
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Speaker 1: impact the poor differently from the well of millions of money.
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Speaker 1: You can go first this time and then severe
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Speaker 1: A. Yessir. So I would like to address this more
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Speaker 1: from an inclusive inclusivity lens like what is do we
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Speaker 1: need to consider to make the mobility lands came in
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Speaker 1: the city more inclusive
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Speaker 1: so well. People living in cities constantly attempt to balance
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Speaker 1: time spending tower with their employment and other social opportunities.
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Speaker 1: But the poor sections, the options are narrowly packed like
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Speaker 1: they're constrained not only by the cost of transportation but
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Speaker 1: also the nature of employment. It is often entrenched in
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Speaker 1: local network, so as a result, poorer sections either end
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Speaker 1: up living in substandard living environments more closer to their
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Speaker 1: places of world,
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Speaker 1: are travelling over longer distances or choosing inexpensive nonmotorised means
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Speaker 1: of transport such as cycling, walking in share transport,
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Speaker 1: But in contrast. For the relatively well off, there is
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Speaker 1: more leeway in terms of commute distance as well as
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Speaker 1: commute frequency and options that one can afford.
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Speaker 1: So for for a sections were fighting the housing livelihood.
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Speaker 1: Mobility balance becomes a bedrock for well being if we
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Speaker 1: can somehow enable more affordable, say for faster and efficient
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Speaker 1: urban mobility solutions. And and it's not easy. But I mean,
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Speaker 1: if we can have their integrated a force, it can
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Speaker 1: really help in their social mobility
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Speaker 1: and significantly improved quality of life sets want to think
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Speaker 1: from all of these perspectives
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Speaker 1: and to achieve this, we definitely need to look at
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Speaker 1: how the city can be designed to enable travel in
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Speaker 1: a more inclusive manner.
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Speaker 1: So these are some of the important questions that we
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Speaker 1: need to ask us. Different stakeholders need to look at,
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Speaker 1: and this would need to go hand in hand with
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Speaker 1: the land use and affordable housing policies which understand the
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Speaker 1: strong linkages between housing, locations and access to live for
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Speaker 1: low income households.
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Speaker 2: I think adding towards took money said and housing of cost,
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Speaker 2: that's one of the main reasons that you see these
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Speaker 2: Chandi towns also, there because people do want to afford.
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Speaker 2: I think what I would really like to put is
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Speaker 2: that
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Speaker 2: for the four, there is no choice
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Speaker 2: for the rich. All of this is a choice,
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Speaker 2: and that is the
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Speaker 2: like. Bill doing surveys with utilitarian cyclist security guards. Mail.
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Speaker 2: We don't have a choice. They have to cycle by.
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Speaker 2: This road is good or bad. They will continue the cycle.
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow you put a cycle lane, you just
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Speaker 2: improving and Gilligan, that's additional, more comfort, which any Lee
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Speaker 2: they would have actually that without even that right? So
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Speaker 2: you're better civil public transport during Koval with, In fact,
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Speaker 2: public transport, which is in biologics, been a part of
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Speaker 2: doing these surveys in in a few of the neighbourhoods
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Speaker 2: around in band,
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Speaker 2: it is so sad that they don't even notice decisions
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Speaker 2: for them. It's become just a way of it's of
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Speaker 2: weather too expensive to access
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Speaker 2: public transport, the fact that they don't have enough of
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Speaker 2: subsidies for it all in just basic aspects, like safety security, right?
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Speaker 2: There are dark streets that stretches. Bus stands are only unsafe.
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Speaker 2: No public toilets close by. People are just like it
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Speaker 2: is so inhumane
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Speaker 2: and they've just learn to live. Is it because they
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Speaker 2: don't have a choice? And if we start,
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Speaker 2: if we design our city for get any,
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Speaker 2: if you're not designing our cities for the poor, everyone
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Speaker 2: will get included and everyone. So I think just getting
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Speaker 2: that perspective of the poor and how they use and
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Speaker 2: what is most important to them has to be our
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Speaker 2: starting point of investigating into any
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Speaker 2: because without that perspective, you will just not get anywhere right.
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Speaker 2: And they are the most important voices to bring into
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Speaker 2: the room,
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Speaker 2: whether admitted through conversation. Also, you just observation of what
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Speaker 2: we think. But I think that would definitely be one
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Speaker 2: of the key things that we are also looking at
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Speaker 2: driving in.
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Speaker 1: That's a critical point, actually, Sophia. So me. Let me
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Speaker 1: start with you and then maybe soup money. You can
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Speaker 1: chip in also. So what of the top three barriers,
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Speaker 1: according to each of feel
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Speaker 1: for the adoption of sustainable modes of transportation?
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Speaker 2: For me, Actually, it's It's not even for me. It's
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Speaker 2: come through a lot of service that we have been
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Speaker 2: doing over the last 23 months
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Speaker 2: and well done it with, for instance, he's done it
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Speaker 2: with cyclists. There are, you know, using cycle for recreation,
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Speaker 2: of to go to work as well as utilitarian side
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Speaker 2: a talk his comm a safety
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Speaker 2: followed by the aspect of the convenience
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Speaker 2: and the lack of infrastructure.
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Speaker 2: And these three things have been very critical because for
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Speaker 2: me to ensure there's infrastructure, you require the government to
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Speaker 2: step in to actually build that infrastructure, which is again
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Speaker 2: a high cost
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Speaker 2: to ensure safety. It requires basic things, right street lighting.
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Speaker 2: It requires patrolling across areas that there is no crime.
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Speaker 2: That happens. Dead and convenience is something of a behaviour change.
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Speaker 2: So I have to as a person in In doing
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Speaker 2: city planning,
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Speaker 2: I have to ensure that public transport actually competes with transport.
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Speaker 2: How do I do this by dis incentivising a car
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Speaker 2: usage and incentivising public transport usage or incentivising people to
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Speaker 2: you Cycle lanes. A very interesting thing in this regard
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Speaker 2: with it, At least if I look at the other
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Speaker 2: challenges and issued its
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Speaker 2: if I make all of this or sol for these three,
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Speaker 2: I will automatically move towards
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Speaker 2: actually improvising views.
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Speaker 1: So this adding towards a V a share and looking
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Speaker 1: back from what we have also heard from our on
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Speaker 1: ground communities.
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Speaker 1: So while talking about the top bad years or mobility challenges,
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Speaker 1: I think it is vital definitely to look at city
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Speaker 1: planning
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Speaker 1: because how the Indian cities are designed, they're not at
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Speaker 1: all conducive penalty. Like you can see the case of
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Speaker 1: Bengaluru as well as Delhi and other cities,
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Speaker 1: our cities are going without proper planning. So again bringing
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Speaker 1: back to the point that a shed before about housing
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Speaker 1: livelihood mobility equation so that needs to be really planned
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Speaker 1: in tandem with each other's again. As a result, this
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Speaker 1: can tend to spread to white without adequate mobility lines
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Speaker 1: catering to them. So the day to day life really
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Speaker 1: becomes full of hassles,
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Speaker 1: along with these various currently a shortage of sustainable public
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Speaker 1: transport options for various groups and
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Speaker 1: that also kind of connexions to how people are relying
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Speaker 1: more on the private transport and that is leading to
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Speaker 1: higher congestion.
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Speaker 1: So with these issues of sitting city planning class, there
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Speaker 1: is increasing population and like there is not a reliable
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Speaker 1: public transport outside for different sectors, so definitely more people
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Speaker 1: pray for owning their own vehicles if they can,
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Speaker 1: and ultimately adding to the cycle of congestion. Another value
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Speaker 1: of the important thing and so be also mentioned about
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Speaker 1: that is the lack of safety and affordability before affordability
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Speaker 1: is a concern, and so is safety, especially for women
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Speaker 1: and other people from vehicle socioeconomic backgrounds like, as per
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Speaker 1: one of the study's. We refer to leave 9% of
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Speaker 1: women in Indian cities field public transparency completely safe,
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Speaker 1: and only 3% claimed it is completely unsafe. So, according
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Speaker 1: according to Be need to design interventions, in a way,
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Speaker 1: they're people feel that it's safe as well as affordable
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Speaker 1: to access is better again. Inclusivity is and lens that
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Speaker 1: things really need to
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Speaker 1: Fitton. So safety is a bigger concern, not just within
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Speaker 1: buses or Mexico's, but also there's a lack of supporting infrastructure,
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Speaker 1: like from the Inro surveys ever happening, a valid for
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Speaker 1: parts of missing. There are not enough options for safer
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Speaker 1: for smile, and a small connectivity is when these things
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Speaker 1: are not there. Someone would not
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Speaker 1: prefer taking a bus or a metro over kind of
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Speaker 1: using other private Peters and other options available. So it's
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Speaker 1: very important to Saurav. Look at it from this perspective
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Speaker 1: as well.
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Speaker 1: I think these are very important points and you framed
00:18:16
Speaker 1: the problems very well. Sunamganj put you both on the
00:18:19
Speaker 1: spot and asking for the solutions to these problems also,
00:18:21
Speaker 1: So there will be other alternative sequences. For one question,
00:18:25
Speaker 1: it's only our first and for the next question is
00:18:27
Speaker 1: so if money for this term suk many of us.
00:18:31
Speaker 1: So I think it's very important like, for instance, are
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Speaker 1: accepting give us city planning, so making it more conducive
00:18:38
Speaker 1: team on motorised transport gives us the most leaner and
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Speaker 1: inclusive cities.
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Speaker 1: A pedestrian isation is another important aspect to look at
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Speaker 1: having cycle lanes,
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Speaker 1: well lick streets and designing cities from a perspective of
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Speaker 1: someone who's walking and cycling right now. What happened? The
00:18:53
Speaker 1: cities are designed from the perspective of someone who has
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Speaker 1: said driving on the road, but rather we need to
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Speaker 1: think of imagine it. More people go to work in cycles.
00:19:00
Speaker 1: What is it that needs to be added to the
00:19:03
Speaker 1: existing infrastructure?
00:19:04
Speaker 1: Also encouraging mixed use Neighbours, I think, will go a
00:19:07
Speaker 1: long way because more you have vibrant public spaces out
00:19:10
Speaker 1: there that harbour more community participation. More people want to
00:19:13
Speaker 1: be out there and using those spaces and maybe ditch
00:19:17
Speaker 1: their private people's and be like out and there with
00:19:19
Speaker 1: everyone we can see. There are several examples, like European cities,
00:19:23
Speaker 1: who have adopted this pedestrian in cycle friendly of votes.
00:19:26
Speaker 1: For instance, in Hamburg, the goal was to make all
00:19:28
Speaker 1: urban spaces completely accessible, by footed. By so such commitments
00:19:32
Speaker 1: will really go along with making our city's more by
00:19:34
Speaker 1: Brenton livable and some of our project at the focusing
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Speaker 1: on there as well
00:19:40
Speaker 1: for in terms of long term sustainable transit planning, I mean,
00:19:43
Speaker 1: it's important that people's mobility need sustainability approaches well, stronger
00:19:51
Speaker 1: focus in public transport is definitely going like, you know,
00:19:54
Speaker 1: it's a long term of votes that we need to
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Speaker 1: fall over, keeping in mind how that can be a
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Speaker 1: more sustainable options as well.
00:20:00
Speaker 1: Diversification, I think, is another important thing, because
00:20:04
Speaker 1: as a public transport you need to cater to various
00:20:06
Speaker 1: groups and keeping in mind the different concerns, like about safety, access,
00:20:11
Speaker 1: affordability and even sometimes people need to make shorted life.
00:20:15
Speaker 1: Some people need to make longer tricks of their their needs, very.
00:20:18
Speaker 1: Some have immediate needs some me to travel long distances
00:20:20
Speaker 1: or take the luggage along or something. So this multimodal
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Speaker 1: integration
00:20:23
Speaker 1: and having adequate for smile and last merican activity were
00:20:27
Speaker 1: also help. People choose more wisely from those serum options
00:20:30
Speaker 1: that are available to their divorce options. I'd rather they
00:20:33
Speaker 1: can choose that bourses, you know, moving back to choosing
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Speaker 1: my own car to travel. And I think lastly, then
00:20:39
Speaker 1: we're talking about safety and affordability as a poor of
00:20:42
Speaker 1: city in transport planning, it's very foreign to consider that
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Speaker 1: house states are are footpaths like Do people feel safe?
00:20:49
Speaker 1: The women be feel safe walking out on in the streets?
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Speaker 1: Are they well, it other in a vise on the
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Speaker 1: street at to ensure pedestrians field saves other enough female
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Speaker 1: workforce within public transport departments? I think that's again another
00:21:01
Speaker 1: area we need to start looking at the first in
00:21:04
Speaker 1: public transport
00:21:05
Speaker 1: employees. Drivers are only male drivers. That might not encourage
00:21:09
Speaker 1: many people to use these facilities later in the night.
00:21:12
Speaker 1: So if there are more women out there even who
00:21:14
Speaker 1: are driving the economy, I think that'll also helps of
00:21:18
Speaker 1: some of from our side.
00:21:20
Speaker 2: I really
00:21:22
Speaker 2: active Suk many's, but from a little more local scale.
00:21:26
Speaker 2: So let's get down to the street right now. And
00:21:29
Speaker 2: how do we actually resolve all these issues? So
00:21:33
Speaker 2: we've been pushing a lot towards neighbourhood, reclaiming their streets.
00:21:38
Speaker 2: You have so many initiatives that have been done on
00:21:41
Speaker 2: a trial basis in India itself.
00:21:44
Speaker 2: A BF arrest in isation of streets
00:21:48
Speaker 2: calling for Castries, Oon
00:21:49
Speaker 2: looking at just place making, which is a terminology that's
00:21:53
Speaker 2: used to say that I meet what soup money was
00:21:56
Speaker 2: also mentioning about ice industry. You actually make people feel
00:21:59
Speaker 2: like they like the place. There are places to cause
00:22:02
Speaker 2: they're places to rest their places to enjoy.
00:22:05
Speaker 2: And this actually comes from a perspective, you know, in
00:22:08
Speaker 2: India so used to London like firing
00:22:12
Speaker 2: and instead, if he started working more towards incentive isation,
00:22:17
Speaker 2: it's so much more fun to do that right If
00:22:19
Speaker 2: I had an elect the example of this very interesting
00:22:23
Speaker 2: thing
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Speaker 2: My work from my hospital in London
00:22:28
Speaker 2: to college, which is L S e is a 15
00:22:30
Speaker 2: minute walk.
00:22:31
Speaker 2: But I would do that work.
00:22:33
Speaker 2: Whereas a five minute walk down my street is quite
00:22:37
Speaker 2: a doctor.
00:22:38
Speaker 2: It's official while while that there is an option of
00:22:40
Speaker 2: a bus present option of But if you choose to
00:22:44
Speaker 2: do the work.
00:22:45
Speaker 2: So this is because I had good infrastructure.
00:22:49
Speaker 2: I forsee
00:22:50
Speaker 2: There was always actives runs. I had beautiful places along
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Speaker 2: my route which I would love actually seeing in viewing.
00:22:58
Speaker 2: So you have to understand that it is when we
00:23:01
Speaker 2: resolve this, it doesn't have to be a finding it
00:23:04
Speaker 2: doesn't even have to be too big or higher next.
00:23:07
Speaker 2: It just needs to be simple things what people want
00:23:09
Speaker 2: to reclaim for their neighbourhood. So
00:23:11
Speaker 2: example, what we're doing in Malaysia, Um is there claiming
00:23:15
Speaker 2: Conservancy lanes to be walking on the streets.
00:23:18
Speaker 2: Nobody utilised at least 17. There was service lanes,
00:23:22
Speaker 2: ages back when we had our whole neighbourhoods made, basically
00:23:25
Speaker 2: meant to take out the waste garbage. And this scavenging
00:23:28
Speaker 2: that used to happen now delays the line. The funds,
00:23:31
Speaker 2: but reclaiming them only for working will ensure that people
00:23:35
Speaker 2: work there because they know that they're they're not faced
00:23:37
Speaker 2: with moving vehicles. Barone has broken foot paths they have
00:23:40
Speaker 2: would share his past.
00:23:41
Speaker 2: So these times of things will really go a long
00:23:44
Speaker 2: way in just
00:23:45
Speaker 2: pushing for more accessibility as well as use of the
00:23:53
Speaker 1: situation on policy gaps or visit lack of funding. Or
00:23:56
Speaker 1: is it poor execution or something ends Sonia, maybe you
00:24:00
Speaker 1: can go first, and then
00:24:02
Speaker 2: I think it's they're putting blinders. The only look at
00:24:06
Speaker 2: cards we do look at this human scale at all.
00:24:10
Speaker 2: And it's true because, you know, you see when even
00:24:15
Speaker 2: when you look at, uh, planners right
00:24:17
Speaker 2: after city level, there are doing these master plans and
00:24:22
Speaker 2: at the government level,
00:24:23
Speaker 2: you it's a mailing, right? The all experienced this, but
00:24:26
Speaker 2: you never look at this as far as your experience
00:24:29
Speaker 2: of the city. Why don't you work? So you really
00:24:32
Speaker 2: diminished at human scale on you, only looking at the
00:24:34
Speaker 2: big things. And I think there is money.
00:24:37
Speaker 2: There is. There are policies that are coming up, which
00:24:41
Speaker 2: on it, in fact, we have a lot of very interesting,
00:24:44
Speaker 2: like the tender show roads that are coming up. A
00:24:46
Speaker 2: lot of the smart city proposals that had been launched.
00:24:50
Speaker 2: It's been almost 34 years now. There have been launched
00:24:53
Speaker 2: are actually all pushing for white footpaths, walkable footpath
00:24:57
Speaker 2: so effectively, it's all there,
00:24:59
Speaker 2: the we need to shift our focus.
00:25:01
Speaker 2: And that focus has not just unfortunately yet
00:25:06
Speaker 1: to that an ice indefinitely.
00:25:08
Speaker 1: It's a combination of multiple factors that have led to
00:25:11
Speaker 1: the situation. We can't blindly put blame on 11 at
00:25:15
Speaker 1: one place or 21 state holder. It's not that the
00:25:18
Speaker 1: government is not trying to solve the problem. It definitely
00:25:20
Speaker 1: there could be more policy focus can like stronger. But
00:25:23
Speaker 1: the bend I, um, goal of improves urban mobility, difficult
00:25:27
Speaker 1: problem to solve, to begin with.
00:25:29
Speaker 1: And it requires reorganising of the wavy live a life
00:25:33
Speaker 1: right now and the way we'd prefer transport and the
00:25:37
Speaker 1: way the entire transport infrastructure is deaths. It does require
00:25:40
Speaker 1: sort of flexibility, a more focus, and it's a concerted
00:25:45
Speaker 1: efforts from all the stakeholders to address. So,
00:25:49
Speaker 1: like Dal, that is a cannot provide planning authority and
00:25:52
Speaker 1: they are doing some work. Suma is happing under dialled,
00:25:56
Speaker 1: so from the government side, a lot of initiatives are
00:25:59
Speaker 1: being planned and happening there, things like cycle days
00:26:02
Speaker 1: under Suma, part of the closely working with audibly ways,
00:26:07
Speaker 1: and you are trying to build more citizen engagement
00:26:10
Speaker 1: of there are things like government putting restrictions on traffic
00:26:13
Speaker 1: in the central business district. So there are initiatives coming
00:26:16
Speaker 1: in from different places, but I think we definitely need
00:26:18
Speaker 1: more of it. We need more consistent consistency in this
00:26:23
Speaker 1: a a combination of long term as well as sort
00:26:26
Speaker 1: of short term solutions which will go hand in hand
00:26:29
Speaker 1: with each other
00:26:30
Speaker 1: while that is there. But we also need to know
00:26:33
Speaker 1: is that strengthen both the government action as well as
00:26:36
Speaker 1: citizen participation It If I am an asset resident,
00:26:40
Speaker 1: I really have it in my hands as well to
00:26:42
Speaker 1: change the way my neighbourhood functions of how I commute.
00:26:45
Speaker 1: So I really need to
00:26:46
Speaker 1: start thinking from that lends. So as a citizen, we
00:26:50
Speaker 1: really need to be open to changing our lifestyles to resist,
00:26:53
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, even if your private vehicles
00:26:55
Speaker 1: how can be used more n empty and at the
00:26:58
Speaker 1: same time we need to be more active in pushing
00:27:00
Speaker 1: the government to do more public transport and non motorised transport.
00:27:04
Speaker 1: So
00:27:05
Speaker 1: these think you're right. There is one critical issues of
00:27:11
Speaker 1: money tend to several municipal and state indices involved in
00:27:15
Speaker 1: any project.
00:27:16
Speaker 1: There is always multiple agencies business help with turban on
00:27:20
Speaker 1: grand execution. I say it helps in certain base, but
00:27:24
Speaker 1: it also causes issues in on Gran execution to be
00:27:27
Speaker 1: sang like you know, the fragmented framework, you know, with
00:27:30
Speaker 1: different entities responsible for different facets of mobility's. In thus fours,
00:27:34
Speaker 1: a big talent for most issues. In many cases, departments
00:27:37
Speaker 1: don't have visibility of each other's work, and this requires
00:27:40
Speaker 1: a grain degree of coordination, specially when we're looking at
00:27:43
Speaker 1: inter modal way of transport and transit hubs
00:27:46
Speaker 1: and well, some of the things might be underway, but
00:27:48
Speaker 1: we often see there could be duplication of efforts are
00:27:52
Speaker 1: even conflicting efforts. Also a lot of places The municipal
00:27:55
Speaker 1: agencies sometimes do not have enough decision making powers or
00:27:59
Speaker 1: access to sufficient funds, and many to work more closely
00:28:01
Speaker 1: with the state agencies. So definitely it is a lot
00:28:03
Speaker 1: of overlap, which requires more coordinations,
00:28:06
Speaker 1: which will involve a longer time line based projects and
00:28:10
Speaker 1: conflicting priorities.
00:28:12
Speaker 1: So, for example, if you see in Delhi, the transport
00:28:15
Speaker 1: system in Spanish by four different agencies likely have Delhi
00:28:17
Speaker 1: metro rail corporations and we have Delhi transport cooperation, we
00:28:21
Speaker 1: have integrated multimodal transport systems and Indian.
00:28:25
Speaker 1: But overall improve coordination. Indignation will be possible if maybe
00:28:29
Speaker 1: there is a simple agency like something which is more
00:28:31
Speaker 1: unifying all the efforts because all of the agencies are
00:28:34
Speaker 1: working in their own remains as per their charters like
00:28:37
Speaker 1: you empty a unified Metropolitan Transport Authorities, which is managing
00:28:40
Speaker 1: the entire public transport system.
00:28:42
Speaker 1: And this has been recommended in the national urban transport
00:28:45
Speaker 1: policy as well. In Bangalore, India could potentially facilitate a
00:28:49
Speaker 1: system for coordination between, say, various departments like the B, M, R, C,
00:28:53
Speaker 1: l and B M P. C. So again,
00:28:56
Speaker 1: it's helpful. In some cases it does not. But I
00:28:58
Speaker 1: think of wider collaboration is definitely important and a way
00:29:02
Speaker 1: forward on these things.
00:29:04
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So let me talk to you about anybody. Civil
00:29:08
Speaker 1: topic money
00:29:09
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the financing of urban transport
00:29:14
Speaker 1: projects in India,
00:29:16
Speaker 2: the financing of it right now financing funds in the
00:29:20
Speaker 2: form of either France from the national level. Central government
00:29:26
Speaker 2: grants that come. You have your state yearly lunch and
00:29:29
Speaker 2: then you have the city itself generating revenue, order property.
00:29:34
Speaker 2: When you look at so accessibility to finance, yes, every years,
00:29:38
Speaker 2: but it's a prepared
00:29:39
Speaker 2: road.
00:29:42
Speaker 2: There is money available and it's in fact cruise of
00:29:45
Speaker 2: rupees that comes in if a city is not able
00:29:47
Speaker 2: to bear that, especially or main electricity's like a Bangalore,
00:29:50
Speaker 2: Bombay Ledley, hubs of massive amount of the finance, though
00:29:54
Speaker 2: in your smaller towns in city it is highly lacking
00:29:57
Speaker 2: in terms of municipal finance.
00:29:59
Speaker 2: If that's not there and it's not enough, the state
00:30:02
Speaker 2: continues to put in money and first, some parts coming
00:30:04
Speaker 2: from the central.
00:30:06
Speaker 2: However, if you see there is sustainable urban transport there,
00:30:10
Speaker 2: large amounts of money at the moment are being channelled
00:30:13
Speaker 2: through this March city funds.
00:30:15
Speaker 2: There are total programmes coming under a few national level
00:30:19
Speaker 2: programmes like cycles to change, and states hold that sending
00:30:23
Speaker 2: long money to your state level nodal agencies to actually
00:30:27
Speaker 2: and for these projects, at least in a trial basis,
00:30:30
Speaker 2: a pizza money to do
00:30:32
Speaker 2: that put up full level infrastructure with this is money
00:30:35
Speaker 2: who start the ideation processes to start thinking. However, after that,
00:30:39
Speaker 2: the financing actually comes from
00:30:41
Speaker 2: the municipalities, so even the projects that we are doing
00:30:45
Speaker 2: right now under the same a grant that has been
00:30:47
Speaker 2: given by the agency here, which is the you lt
00:30:51
Speaker 2: the ideas that you try and test certain things, certain
00:30:54
Speaker 2: aspects and then you get there funded within the CD
00:30:57
Speaker 2: MP budget. That is the only budget that happens every year.
00:31:00
Speaker 2: So effectively finance is something that you need to. It's
00:31:04
Speaker 2: like a big pile so far have 1000 crores. I
00:31:06
Speaker 2: need to fight for that.
00:31:08
Speaker 2: How do I fight for that? If I show enough
00:31:10
Speaker 2: of evidence, if I show enough his support for that
00:31:12
Speaker 2: it comes down with the perspective, especially for sustainable mobility,
00:31:16
Speaker 2: comes under the perspective of neighbourhoods trying to reclaim
00:31:20
Speaker 2: seats for their own space, right? So if they go
00:31:22
Speaker 2: and put out enough of information and later saying that
00:31:26
Speaker 2: this can happen here is when you will be able
00:31:28
Speaker 2: to finance it. So a first it is not there
00:31:31
Speaker 2: for certain things like roads, highways, railways, Metro there is
00:31:35
Speaker 2: centralised finals,
00:31:37
Speaker 2: but for other aspects when he talked about sustainable mobility,
00:31:40
Speaker 2: this is pretty much worse face for us to clear finance,
00:31:47
Speaker 1: you mentioned the cycles for change have been asked to
00:31:50
Speaker 1: something around that subject. There's been central government focus on
00:31:54
Speaker 1: cycling and walking, for example, cycles for change in the
00:31:58
Speaker 1: streets for people challenge and all of that.
00:32:00
Speaker 1: How to see such initiatives within the concept context of
00:32:04
Speaker 1: accelerating the adoption of sustainable models within cities.
00:32:08
Speaker 2: I borrow from one of our one of our colleague
00:32:12
Speaker 2: as well. She's part of the single abandonment elective and
00:32:16
Speaker 2: chief stated that this is the best time to be
00:32:18
Speaker 2: an urban designer and
00:32:22
Speaker 2: and the reason being that these two
00:32:25
Speaker 2: programmes has suddenly opened out the imagination of public space
00:32:30
Speaker 2: in Indian cities,
00:32:32
Speaker 2: which has never happened before, and why I say the
00:32:36
Speaker 2: imagination is because we have not pushed the imagination at
00:32:39
Speaker 2: all in our cities. We pushed it with beautiful bridges,
00:32:43
Speaker 2: were pushed it with posted with railways and metro. But
00:32:47
Speaker 2: we love for shit with cycle lanes.
00:32:49
Speaker 2: We have not pushed it with beautiful foot parts. We
00:32:52
Speaker 2: have not pushed it with places where people can stop
00:32:55
Speaker 2: and
00:32:55
Speaker 2: you know, have certain activities or have spaces where, for instance,
00:32:59
Speaker 2: like a Parisian only street, that is instead of having starred,
00:33:03
Speaker 2: Road actually has favour of lots, right, so peace kinds
00:33:07
Speaker 2: of imaginations are happening now, and it is only because
00:33:10
Speaker 2: of the cycle. So Change, challenge and the streets official
00:33:14
Speaker 2: challenge that's really
00:33:15
Speaker 2: pushing
00:33:17
Speaker 2: No t agency have the state level and subsequently pushing
00:33:20
Speaker 2: the city level agencies across like it's not only Bangalore
00:33:24
Speaker 2: and other Metro's, but it is across your smaller cities,
00:33:27
Speaker 2: like my soul. And so I think there is amazing
00:33:32
Speaker 2: things to come, and it is
00:33:34
Speaker 2: very hopeful because you're building and professional capacity, all of ours,
00:33:38
Speaker 2: in this space right now.
00:33:40
Speaker 2: And I can't tell you how long we waited for
00:33:44
Speaker 2: an opportunity like this.
00:33:45
Speaker 2: Also is absolutely heartening to see so much of force
00:33:49
Speaker 2: from the central level that's coming in this direction.
00:33:52
Speaker 1: Speaker of Opportunity Soup money Tell us about Bengaluru moving.
00:33:57
Speaker 1: How was idea born, and how did he roll it off?
00:34:00
Speaker 1: I think as well. Recognise at Bangalore is one of
00:34:03
Speaker 1: the most congested cities in the world and definitely like
00:34:06
Speaker 1: in of estimates suggest traffic congestion costs. Bangalore, Bangalore. Iona's
00:34:14
Speaker 1: budget an extra hour for missing and five to go
00:34:17
Speaker 1: to the airport. Sometimes it takes me 45 minutes from
00:34:20
Speaker 1: the heart of the city, and sometimes it takes me
00:34:22
Speaker 1: 3.5 are
00:34:23
Speaker 1: wide range of mystic dropped
00:34:27
Speaker 1: definitely extra. An extra money also I dad so violent.
00:34:31
Speaker 1: Increasing number of people are moving into the city given
00:34:34
Speaker 1: the benefits of the city. But definitely initially when the
00:34:37
Speaker 1: city was planned, it was not built for this kind of.
00:34:41
Speaker 1: So the end result is you see there is increased
00:34:43
Speaker 1: commute times. You all have seen it while travelling back
00:34:45
Speaker 1: and forth from airport. This a lot of mental 30
00:34:48
Speaker 1: and not to miss the loss of productivity. So in
00:34:51
Speaker 1: order to combat all of this and even further the
00:34:53
Speaker 1: goal of creating visible supes because I think that's a
00:34:57
Speaker 1: basic right that we all sort of 12 was words
00:34:59
Speaker 1: a lilac and based on for young leaders for active citizenship,
00:35:02
Speaker 1: the joy has with the Bangalore you moving campaign, the
00:35:06
Speaker 1: campaign is strategically being ruled out in phases by different organisations.
00:35:10
Speaker 1: Several organisations were working in it such as by lack
00:35:13
Speaker 1: and send
00:35:14
Speaker 1: in the first phase of campaign in 2020 of'em that
00:35:18
Speaker 1: popularising public transport. And also at that time there were
00:35:22
Speaker 1: conversations going around the priority bustling. So the idea of
00:35:25
Speaker 1: the camping was to get more attention there because something
00:35:28
Speaker 1: which is already the government is working towards and talking.
00:35:31
Speaker 1: It's easier to get attention, make people talk and
00:35:34
Speaker 1: ensure life all
00:35:35
Speaker 1: faster implementation of things. A while currently in the second phase,
00:35:39
Speaker 1: we're looking at increasing participation of women because they are
00:35:43
Speaker 1: important drivers in the economy and of mobility. Really, their
00:35:46
Speaker 1: perspective is very important. So how can a city be
00:35:49
Speaker 1: planned around them and their needs?
00:35:52
Speaker 1: The campaign used a range of creative tactics like, you know,
00:35:56
Speaker 1: street hours, music's polls, technology hackathon and
00:36:01
Speaker 1: young adults. You know, young leaders working towards feasting to
00:36:04
Speaker 1: bring in more voices on board, to tell you a
00:36:06
Speaker 1: little more about it. We had run the face one
00:36:09
Speaker 1: of Britain's of this 2020 and that's when they instituted
00:36:13
Speaker 1: a programme for mobility champions.
00:36:15
Speaker 1: So 12 young leaders were a part of it and
00:36:18
Speaker 1: they were passionate young residents from different parts of Bengal
00:36:21
Speaker 1: and they wanted to create a demand for better of
00:36:23
Speaker 1: transport and even built more support in their neighbourhoods and
00:36:27
Speaker 1: with the experts for most available mobility solutions.
00:36:31
Speaker 1: So that was one of the things we also launched.
00:36:33
Speaker 1: Happy thin to stab cities, talent pool and, you know, Envoy,
00:36:36
Speaker 1: the lot of the Belgian town of the city. So
00:36:40
Speaker 1: what can be done? Like what kind of APS can
00:36:42
Speaker 1: be made? What kind of index can be made which
00:36:45
Speaker 1: can help solve the bigger mobility, woes and issues of
00:36:48
Speaker 1: the city? So this one of some of the same
00:36:49
Speaker 1: be soiled, focused on
00:36:51
Speaker 1: right. So what is the current status of it and
00:36:53
Speaker 1: what comes next? So be a medium can go first
00:36:56
Speaker 1: this time intense of money. Next,
00:36:58
Speaker 2: So sensing will join in for the second phase of
00:37:01
Speaker 2: the campaign, though we had interacted with some of the
00:37:03
Speaker 2: mobility champions in the first,
00:37:06
Speaker 2: the way we have channel dressing. And this this time
00:37:10
Speaker 2: of the second case of the campaign actually spoke us
00:37:12
Speaker 2: to Lord Mu on Action on.
00:37:16
Speaker 2: And what we looked at, at least as sensing local
00:37:19
Speaker 2: is to an an effect by like as well is
00:37:22
Speaker 2: to align with direct is doing today are launching this
00:37:26
Speaker 2: sustainable of immobility, of which they have selected nine neighbourhoods
00:37:30
Speaker 2: to give them each of grant of around 50 lakhs
00:37:34
Speaker 2: to
00:37:34
Speaker 2: implement any link related to sustainable mobility.
00:37:37
Speaker 2: So this is literally a grant amount. You can try
00:37:40
Speaker 2: and do whatever you like in that amount to improve
00:37:43
Speaker 2: will make the case for sustainable mobility. Our neighbourhood and
00:37:46
Speaker 2: this is a Vanya Graham which is in a maze
00:37:49
Speaker 2: reset up. So we have attached ourselves to two neighbourhoods
00:37:52
Speaker 2: in Bangalore banas Malaysia and
00:37:56
Speaker 2: we are looking at doing three unique projects. One of
00:37:58
Speaker 2: it is around cycling in Dad, new candy, which is
00:38:02
Speaker 2: our neighbourhood network or cycle infrastructure and are not a
00:38:05
Speaker 2: cycle lanes but infrastructure, which means that there is not
00:38:09
Speaker 2: only cycle aid as a solution.
00:38:11
Speaker 2: The second is to look at walkability where they are
00:38:14
Speaker 2: reclaiming Conservancy lanes and 11 kilometres of footpath alongside that
00:38:18
Speaker 2: to actually make the neighbourhood walkable. And this is actually
00:38:22
Speaker 2: a 15 minute neighbourhood. It's usually you must be hearing
00:38:25
Speaker 2: a lot about the 15 Minutes city globally
00:38:28
Speaker 2: the Afghan and Bangalore. It's a 15 minute neighbourhood. Everything
00:38:31
Speaker 2: is accessible. Most people live and work in the area,
00:38:34
Speaker 2: but I am able to work. So this is, however,
00:38:37
Speaker 2: looking and walking.
00:38:39
Speaker 2: The third one is in on public transport. We're looking
00:38:42
Speaker 2: at improvising the information design around public transport so they're
00:38:48
Speaker 2: broken into three pieces, is broken into my first and
00:38:51
Speaker 2: last night. How do I get to the bus?
00:38:53
Speaker 2: Borders My information that require for that or get from
00:38:56
Speaker 2: my bus stop to once I got not to my
00:38:58
Speaker 2: destination
00:38:59
Speaker 2: to look at the bus stop itself, which is to
00:39:02
Speaker 2: see what kind of information is there at the bus
00:39:04
Speaker 2: stop regarding my bus. Sarah want to face timing of
00:39:06
Speaker 2: the bus? And regarding where do I get out? Within
00:39:11
Speaker 2: the bus
00:39:13
Speaker 2: Is my information, right? How do I know where to
00:39:15
Speaker 2: get off? You know what fertiliser of who do I
00:39:18
Speaker 2: asked if I am disabled and a blind person. And
00:39:22
Speaker 2: how do I entered his bus? And in fact, like
00:39:25
Speaker 2: one of very interesting things that we found out to
00:39:27
Speaker 2: this project is there is a subsidy for the blind
00:39:31
Speaker 2: as a bus pass in my hello.
00:39:33
Speaker 2: And in fact, they prefer taking the bus over Metro
00:39:36
Speaker 2: because at least they find someone to help them.
00:39:39
Speaker 2: And it is so sad that is, to lead someone
00:39:41
Speaker 2: to help him. And I think the focus of where
00:39:46
Speaker 2: we are right now. We have literally we're We're in
00:39:48
Speaker 2: a third month of the project and of campaign as
00:39:52
Speaker 2: well
00:39:52
Speaker 2: Are these really tried to capture user experience. We strike
00:39:57
Speaker 2: to capture opinions of people. So we really gone engagement
00:40:00
Speaker 2: heavy and we have hit almost, I think, more than
00:40:04
Speaker 2: 600 people that were engaged through our surveys. These, in fact,
00:40:09
Speaker 2: audited in Malaysia we have audited
00:40:13
Speaker 2: 11 kilometres of footpath Conservancy lanes with over 60 plus
00:40:16
Speaker 2: residents of Malaysia. Um, we have audited one A cycle
00:40:20
Speaker 2: through a handlebar surveys 40 kilometres of road land which
00:40:24
Speaker 2: is effectively going to be a proposed for the cycle
00:40:27
Speaker 2: network along with 30 yards cyclists numb
00:40:31
Speaker 2: a goat sam dot New Kundi I have devised
00:40:33
Speaker 2: So the whole status now moves towards captured everyone's opinions.
00:40:37
Speaker 2: Now the hard work is in reaching the design. So
00:40:40
Speaker 2: once captured everyone saying now is the negotiation stage to
00:40:43
Speaker 2: say they're okay now what needs to be done, right?
00:40:46
Speaker 2: So this is where the pressure builds up and it
00:40:48
Speaker 2: was easy to listen to people
00:40:50
Speaker 2: now to deliver to that is very are at with
00:40:53
Speaker 2: this champions. So we move towards
00:40:55
Speaker 2: the desire we move towards the piloting on grounds and
00:40:59
Speaker 2: we are be launching a lot of exhibition events that
00:41:03
Speaker 2: will help activate this pilot get more people to interact
00:41:06
Speaker 2: with what we will be implemented so that we cannot
00:41:09
Speaker 2: feedback captured through that
00:41:12
Speaker 1: so adding toward severe shared. So in the second phase
00:41:15
Speaker 1: of the probe down the campaign, they're focusing definitely more
00:41:19
Speaker 1: on the non motorised transport aspects, including walking, cycling and
00:41:22
Speaker 1: related infrastructure and also advocating for a gender sensitive policy
00:41:27
Speaker 1: approach towards transportation and connectivity. To serve this, we have
00:41:31
Speaker 1: inducted the sense of stained champions 15 mobility champions
00:41:34
Speaker 1: as the two month, part time engagement sort of programme.
00:41:36
Speaker 1: And these all are passionate young residents of Bengaluru coming
00:41:39
Speaker 1: from different backgrounds such as urban planning, designing, engineering and
00:41:43
Speaker 1: climate in the in the activism. And they're working on
00:41:46
Speaker 1: ongoing projects with sensing locals, team and mentorship. So they
00:41:50
Speaker 1: are working in the three different neighbourhood projects that Serbia
00:41:53
Speaker 1: just mentioned.
00:41:54
Speaker 1: In addition to the on ground work which is very,
00:41:56
Speaker 1: very like supplemental action driven
00:41:59
Speaker 1: and implementation heavy though of champions are also working on
00:42:02
Speaker 1: a research track wherein they are writing policy briefs now,
00:42:06
Speaker 1: This will help them gather useful literature and presented analysis
00:42:10
Speaker 1: on the themes of a participatory of voter noble planning,
00:42:14
Speaker 1: building effective gender sensitive interventions in M P and even
00:42:17
Speaker 1: Tactical Urbanism. Something where you know it's an organisation or
00:42:20
Speaker 1: a citizen led approach to neighbourhood
00:42:22
Speaker 1: buildings is a very short term. Luke Austin's available interventions.
00:42:25
Speaker 1: So idea is that once these three policy beats entities,
00:42:28
Speaker 1: these will abuse case scenarios. Case studies will be further
00:42:31
Speaker 1: disseminated to policymakers, urban planners and even civil society organisations
00:42:36
Speaker 1: that they can refer to give in. Bengaluru right now
00:42:38
Speaker 1: has an appetite bear with adults efforts you must afford
00:42:43
Speaker 1: the work sensing local is doing. People
00:42:45
Speaker 1: are really out there to work. So this will definitely
00:42:48
Speaker 1: add more to the knowledge pool of things like what
00:42:51
Speaker 1: has already happened was to take place. And what will
00:42:53
Speaker 1: be some of the learning that can be, you know,
00:42:55
Speaker 1: adopted elsewhere as well. So lastly, in this phase, we're
00:42:59
Speaker 1: also focusing on something interesting in Congress in new sort
00:43:02
Speaker 1: of products. We are all security ing and we're calling
00:43:04
Speaker 1: it audio guided heritage sites. The idea is to
00:43:08
Speaker 1: a leveraged the recent uptake of cycling in Bangalore with
00:43:10
Speaker 1: cycle days a nose has been a lot of talking
00:43:13
Speaker 1: about cycling. So be thought of weaken of these audio
00:43:15
Speaker 1: guided towards which people can download on and half and
00:43:20
Speaker 1: use it. And you're different parts of Bengaluru and
00:43:24
Speaker 1: servo that these interventions will really free citizen engagement and
00:43:28
Speaker 1: the willows incentivise people that you know. Why should I
00:43:31
Speaker 1: do more cycling in Bangalore, trying to bring in more
00:43:33
Speaker 1: innovation also to the already existing on wrong bomb? That's happening?
00:43:38
Speaker 1: That's important. But the company have another important question year.
00:43:41
Speaker 1: For what? About the government response. How is that been in?
00:43:44
Speaker 1: Maybe Sofia, Serbia? You Can I add to that one
00:43:47
Speaker 1: soup minister.
00:43:48
Speaker 1: So I think like a shade earlier mobility's of sort
00:43:52
Speaker 1: of of complex issue to work on and something that
00:43:54
Speaker 1: when we started working on it and realise, er, it's
00:43:56
Speaker 1: important to have, like government buying as well, a citizen
00:44:00
Speaker 1: engagement and an organisational expertise to it.
00:44:03
Speaker 1: And in our experience there was engaged with different government
00:44:06
Speaker 1: agencies during the previous and displace of the campaign, and
00:44:09
Speaker 1: they have been very
00:44:10
Speaker 1: the poor above the idea, like in face one be
00:44:12
Speaker 1: engaged with B M P C to develop a solution
00:44:16
Speaker 1: for an app and a vial. The development of it
00:44:18
Speaker 1: is still underway in this phase like, for instance, the
00:44:21
Speaker 1: projects that are under SUMA that has been driving. They're
00:44:25
Speaker 1: they're They're very keen to engage with youth, for more
00:44:27
Speaker 1: citizen participation and
00:44:29
Speaker 1: for audio rights part the audio guided heritage tools. We
00:44:32
Speaker 1: shared the idea with smart cities Bengaluru, and they have
00:44:35
Speaker 1: expressed how it fits really well into their mandate and
00:44:37
Speaker 1: are keen to offer support. So we do see there
00:44:40
Speaker 1: is a brain degree of support and against grating pension
00:44:44
Speaker 1: coming in our and as we're progressing on it, let's
00:44:47
Speaker 1: see how count kind of beating that ahead.
00:44:54
Speaker 2: I think just a few things that we have a
00:44:57
Speaker 2: new spoken our first doll face is Super Support Agency.
00:45:00
Speaker 2: I think we're lucky to have a commissioner that is
00:45:05
Speaker 2: leading it that early is passionate about moving the city
00:45:07
Speaker 2: in a different directions. However, we really tried and buy clothes.
00:45:12
Speaker 2: New thing has been the ward committees.
00:45:14
Speaker 2: So we have presented all these projects at the war
00:45:17
Speaker 2: committee citizen at the level of the world. And it
00:45:19
Speaker 2: has your beady MP municipality officials
00:45:22
Speaker 2: at the scale of this ward, along with, you know,
00:45:24
Speaker 2: some political representative, citizen, other representatives, So we have actually
00:45:31
Speaker 2: gotten very good response and in fact I think so.
00:45:35
Speaker 2: The fact of the late if I community and not
00:45:38
Speaker 2: led by as being, you know,
00:45:40
Speaker 2: typically outsiders to a neighbourhood. The community members have a
00:45:44
Speaker 2: superb grapple with government officials and in fact they launched
00:45:47
Speaker 2: how who work with there. So I think in both
00:45:50
Speaker 2: the neighbourhoods that were working in especially and also the
00:45:53
Speaker 2: other neighbours that have been selected under Suma,
00:45:55
Speaker 2: all of them have a very good rapport of working
00:45:57
Speaker 2: with government officials. So it's very easy to get in
00:46:01
Speaker 2: okay or to get them in bold. And we are
00:46:03
Speaker 2: currently moving into certain level of focus group discussions with
00:46:08
Speaker 2: into our design process. So yes, we are early eager
00:46:11
Speaker 2: towards We have introduced the projects and I think
00:46:13
Speaker 2: there is a lot of positive
00:46:17
Speaker 1: just just a just a listeners know that dulled is
00:46:20
Speaker 1: the Directorate of Urban Land Transport in Bangalore, and sumo
00:46:23
Speaker 1: has the sustainable mobility accord.
00:46:27
Speaker 1: So my final question to both of you guys is
00:46:30
Speaker 1: whatever so banner has you
00:46:32
Speaker 1: Bangalore has sensing local while I can all of that
00:46:36
Speaker 1: but one of the learning summit that other cities can
00:46:38
Speaker 1: apply And many Samir you can go first this time
00:46:41
Speaker 1: and then
00:46:44
Speaker 2: So you know this this thing of scale it's something
00:46:48
Speaker 2: that chases all of us as organisations, right, like you're
00:46:51
Speaker 2: forced to think about scale at every stage. And so
00:46:54
Speaker 2: our seats of scale from this is that we are
00:46:57
Speaker 2: working two words developing tool kits for these three unique
00:47:01
Speaker 2: projects
00:47:02
Speaker 2: which we believe can be available and rested, applicable across
00:47:06
Speaker 2: the scale the scale of the neighbourhood
00:47:09
Speaker 2: in any city, so it will give you will be
00:47:12
Speaker 2: almost like a guide that will tell you how to
00:47:15
Speaker 2: start identifying a plan, how to build community, how to
00:47:18
Speaker 2: start doing your audits and basic assessments of build data
00:47:23
Speaker 2: and to really build that evidence.
00:47:25
Speaker 2: However, then move it into a stage by you can
00:47:28
Speaker 2: start creating plans whether it means that you build a
00:47:32
Speaker 2: local collective of architects and designers and planners or the
00:47:35
Speaker 2: municipality actually provides support Chaudhuri building that capacity for design.
00:47:40
Speaker 2: In fact, even moving towards certain typical design interventions that
00:47:43
Speaker 2: are possible based on the situation and moving into, then
00:47:47
Speaker 2: activation and evaluation of that. So all of this is
00:47:50
Speaker 2: going to become a tool kit which can be replicated
00:47:54
Speaker 2: in any city.
00:47:56
Speaker 1: So adding to what so be a shared while this
00:47:59
Speaker 1: is still a lot of work in progress, but there
00:48:01
Speaker 1: are definitely a bunch of learning coming away. Some of
00:48:05
Speaker 1: them I can share our you know how
00:48:10
Speaker 1: engaging with the community through the system of residential associations
00:48:14
Speaker 1: are working with prominent community leaders, a counsellor mentioned. They
00:48:17
Speaker 1: are great to the polls, generally with the governments and
00:48:19
Speaker 1: likewise identifying
00:48:21
Speaker 1: and the kind of building upon these existing relationships is
00:48:25
Speaker 1: a good learning to take, because again, like these outsiders
00:48:27
Speaker 1: might not have that level of understanding or impact.
00:48:31
Speaker 1: And it's important to have that sort of a participatory approach.
00:48:35
Speaker 1: And the son of engagements will really go a long
00:48:38
Speaker 1: way in spreading awareness and locating provider of
00:48:41
Speaker 1: of whatever it has been, the focus areas, working by
00:48:44
Speaker 1: cycling or even infrastructural other. So having that community by
00:48:49
Speaker 1: is important, hence having this sort of a set up
00:48:52
Speaker 1: in different cities where there are active residential associations like
00:48:56
Speaker 1: in Delhi. We have great degree of residential welfare associations
00:49:00
Speaker 1: and prominent community leaders. That's important. Also,
00:49:04
Speaker 1: it's important for governmental agencies to pope the solution like
00:49:07
Speaker 1: if there is lack or no appetite
00:49:10
Speaker 1: to adopt, solution or work closely. 100 100 only citizen
00:49:13
Speaker 1: participation will not help. Citing that for over Bill needs
00:49:16
Speaker 1: to be there. That coupled with, like, what sob you
00:49:19
Speaker 1: mentioned about capacity buildings. Very, very important, like, you know,
00:49:22
Speaker 1: like how they're working on two kits.
00:49:24
Speaker 1: Likewise, there a day's like cycle days. Now this all
00:49:26
Speaker 1: helps is great formulation of action plans because you need
00:49:29
Speaker 1: to have the action time in hand in order to
00:49:32
Speaker 1: make that change, bring the entire community together.
00:49:35
Speaker 1: That action then, has to be more like a
00:49:39
Speaker 1: bottoms up approach at the top down one, citing that
00:49:42
Speaker 1: is another important thing to look at. Capacity building will
00:49:44
Speaker 1: really go a long way over that.
00:49:47
Speaker 1: And one more thing. I think practical interventions such as
00:49:50
Speaker 1: very short term interventions of
00:49:53
Speaker 1: which can be implemented in a timely fashion like having
00:49:56
Speaker 1: more cycle stands in the area. Improving public spaces can
00:49:59
Speaker 1: be implemented an easily replicated. So again, these can go
00:50:02
Speaker 1: in as like, you know, these are the few things
00:50:04
Speaker 1: that every neighbourhood can do or start looking at. Doing
00:50:07
Speaker 1: that does not require a lot of funding or does
00:50:10
Speaker 1: not require a lot of coordination and then also
00:50:13
Speaker 1: bending the relation, building on the relationships to take it
00:50:15
Speaker 1: or more higher level conversations. In addition to this, I
00:50:18
Speaker 1: think
00:50:19
Speaker 1: another thing that how we are thinking of scaling is
00:50:21
Speaker 1: using the policy briefs, because that really helps people get
00:50:25
Speaker 1: an insight of what's happening in my city. What, uh
00:50:28
Speaker 1: though
00:50:29
Speaker 1: some case studies which I can refer to what's happening
00:50:32
Speaker 1: in other parts of India and even globally. So I
00:50:35
Speaker 1: think these are some of the examples
00:50:37
Speaker 1: which other neighbourhoods other localities of the city's can also
00:50:40
Speaker 1: use and apply as we intend to scale a model
00:50:44
Speaker 1: like this
00:50:45
Speaker 1: where there is an equal in equal past our community
00:50:48
Speaker 1: engagement as well as work with the governmental agencies.
00:50:52
Speaker 1: So be in soup. Bonnie, Thanks so much for being
00:50:55
Speaker 1: on the show. And s mobility is no longer just
00:50:57
Speaker 1: a facilitator for commute of rate, but the very lifeline
00:51:00
Speaker 1: of the ass relation Modern Indian city. I think so.
00:51:04
Speaker 1: Thank you for detailing it for us.
00:51:05
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. A shock for having us on
00:51:08
Speaker 1: the show. I I think I just say that it's
00:51:12
Speaker 1: important to internalise mobility as an issue
00:51:15
Speaker 1: that's not only somebody else faces that we also face.
00:51:20
Speaker 1: So thinking of solution from that lance is also very,
00:51:23
Speaker 1: very important. All our contributors to the issues and we
00:51:26
Speaker 1: all can help towards solving this. Our campaign is going
00:51:29
Speaker 1: on right now. You can look at it by hashtag
00:51:32
Speaker 1: Bengaluru Moving
00:51:33
Speaker 1: joined share support Let other people know, try and replicate
00:51:37
Speaker 1: similar things in new neighbourhoods.
00:51:40
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having us. And I think
00:51:44
Speaker 2: the one she had like to reach everyone with is
00:51:47
Speaker 2: the tagline that sensing Nofal believes in. We invite you
00:51:52
Speaker 2: all to join us in co building cities of tomorrow today.
00:51:56
Speaker 2: Thank you.