[00:00:01] Hi, I'm Bihalow and welcome to my show Unbound.
[00:00:13] I'm your host Mamtaa.
[00:00:15] A space curated for real stories of people from different walks of life who have
[00:00:20] sailed through uncharted waters and lived to tell their inspiring story.
[00:00:25] Unbound is a deep dive into their journeys to unravel, un-courmet, various facets of their lives
[00:00:33] as they remain unstoppable and continue to do the unthinkable.
[00:00:42] Welcome to Unbound, Kanaika.
[00:00:44] Thank you, Nali.
[00:00:46] Thank you, my pleasure, Mamtaa.
[00:00:48] Thank you, I'm here.
[00:00:49] It's an absolute delight.
[00:00:51] I know you and your family are meeting for the first time.
[00:00:58] That's the power of social media.
[00:01:00] Absolutely, absolutely.
[00:01:01] So just to start, of course, yet another unstoppable human who will give up on nothing.
[00:01:08] Where do you think you're going to find out where you're going to find out?
[00:01:11] This is not a question, but I seriously don't know from where.
[00:01:15] But I'm not sure if you're going to keep it burning.
[00:01:21] I would say that, I guess, I'll be there in the future.
[00:01:25] I'll be there.
[00:01:26] I won't be there.
[00:01:27] That's my effort.
[00:01:29] I will not say fire, but I think it's in everybody.
[00:01:34] I see it in everybody.
[00:01:36] But it's about the finding me.
[00:01:38] Especially, sir, I think I'm awesome.
[00:01:41] For sure.
[00:01:42] You know what?
[00:01:43] It's not easy.
[00:01:44] Yeah, it's not easy.
[00:01:46] It's not easy.
[00:01:47] To keep finding that fire and first to identify Kihar, which may be here, I have these desires.
[00:01:53] I want to do so much in life.
[00:01:55] I want to achieve so much, especially as a woman, especially in Indian context.
[00:02:01] What has kept you going at it?
[00:02:05] My mother actually is very, very strong influence on me.
[00:02:09] She is very progressive in her thinking and very spiritual.
[00:02:14] She's a psychotherapist as well.
[00:02:15] Oh, my God.
[00:02:16] Yeah.
[00:02:17] So she must have started like that then.
[00:02:20] No.
[00:02:21] Back then I won't say she started when I was in college.
[00:02:24] Yeah, she got her certification then.
[00:02:26] So that's what she has that thing that I have to do.
[00:02:28] So she's got a PhD about seven years ago.
[00:02:31] So she's behind the same thing.
[00:02:33] So I have to begin from my mother.
[00:02:37] But in the same breath my mother I think was born at a time which was not conducive to her development as a woman.
[00:02:44] Not in the day like you said, belongs to a place called Karnal, which is now of course coming up.
[00:02:49] But I mean you can imagine and Kurokshetra like you know those kind of places.
[00:02:53] So, I'm talking about my grandparents.
[00:02:57] They have to be there.
[00:02:58] Yeah.
[00:02:59] They have intelligent hosts very good, very good.
[00:03:01] But Chadhi Hani.
[00:03:02] You know?
[00:03:03] I mean even today we see that.
[00:03:05] So I think that's the source.
[00:03:08] So now imagine and then being that generation,
[00:03:12] not that woman with a progressive thinking had me as a first child.
[00:03:16] So somewhere she projected all her dreams on to me.
[00:03:22] Now she did it in the best intentions.
[00:03:25] Unfortunately and I will say unfortunately for me there was a lot of pressure growing up.
[00:03:30] My father's a doctor.
[00:03:31] It was unfortunate.
[00:03:33] I will never place blame on them.
[00:03:35] Never.
[00:03:36] Today I've understood that I used to place blame on them for the longest time because you have to really stop lying to your self and start accepting a few things when you stop placing blame.
[00:03:48] Because I don't place blame on myself also anymore.
[00:03:51] I take responsibility.
[00:03:52] I own up.
[00:03:53] So I realized this recently but going back to that time.
[00:03:59] It was a lot of pressure on me.
[00:04:01] It was because I was a good student.
[00:04:03] And at that time being a good student meant a ABC value careers.
[00:04:07] But I always wanted to be an artist and a dancer.
[00:04:10] Always.
[00:04:11] Always.
[00:04:12] But I could never even say it.
[00:04:14] It was not Zadha, pressure or Jubia Bologaveu's co-a while I was growing up.
[00:04:19] Family say the extended relatives.
[00:04:21] It was not Zadha.
[00:04:22] Dr. Ibnay.
[00:04:24] I didn't even have the voice to say that may I please try something else because I think I'm very creative.
[00:04:29] You know, I'm a very creative and a very human mind.
[00:04:32] Interest to a lot of person like what goes on in people's minds.
[00:04:36] That I've been from my childhood.
[00:04:38] I mean, I'm not boasting her mom.
[00:04:41] I'm telling you the truth.
[00:04:43] From the age of I think 6 or 7, I've helped so I've helped people's secrets.
[00:04:50] Like me, I'm sitting here with you.
[00:04:53] I can very easily say there are more than 2,000 people I've spoken to in my life who say this.
[00:04:59] That I have known you for ages.
[00:05:01] You're the social media that I'm talking about when I was born.
[00:05:05] Since the age of 5 or 6 that you know, I feel there's a connection with you.
[00:05:09] I feel that we know each other.
[00:05:11] I don't know why I told you so much.
[00:05:13] And not my age people.
[00:05:15] So if I'm 18, 40 year old, I'll tell you.
[00:05:18] I wish I would have tapped upon that.
[00:05:21] That I love art and I love this and make that a profession.
[00:05:25] So cutting the long story short, again not placing blame.
[00:05:29] Oh, time pay, we were discussing before the things started.
[00:05:32] That Pesa, Kamane, her own little scarcity.
[00:05:36] I am a bee secured.
[00:05:38] Be secure.
[00:05:39] The back is up to you, son.
[00:05:40] You're all right.
[00:05:41] So then I went to do architecture.
[00:05:44] Was it out of rebellion?
[00:05:46] No, no.
[00:05:47] It was not because I couldn't get through any medical.
[00:05:54] Not a single, this was a calculated move.
[00:05:56] But I will not get through anything.
[00:06:00] I wanted to be in the best books of my parents.
[00:06:04] That he got a older daughter syndrome and you want to prove to them.
[00:06:08] Yeah.
[00:06:09] He's not going in the right direction.
[00:06:13] But you still don't know who you are and what you just want to please them.
[00:06:16] Yeah.
[00:06:17] So I am so much appreciation comes your way.
[00:06:20] So much excitement, always come back.
[00:06:23] Exactly.
[00:06:24] Exactly.
[00:06:25] That was crazy.
[00:06:27] So I didn't get through and I was like, oh my God,
[00:06:30] I'm getting through a dream this time.
[00:06:32] And at that time, you don't know better.
[00:06:34] Because your parents are everything.
[00:06:36] Today's children I see being different.
[00:06:37] I'm raising my child differently.
[00:06:39] Based on that.
[00:06:40] Yeah.
[00:06:41] But that happened.
[00:06:43] So I was like, I can't actually happen by chance.
[00:06:45] I was happy.
[00:06:46] I think the child closes to creativity.
[00:06:48] They approved.
[00:06:49] Yeah, yeah.
[00:06:50] They were very happy because professional college.
[00:06:52] Yeah.
[00:06:53] Stamped.
[00:06:54] Professional college.
[00:06:55] So that was great five years from a college called SPA Delhi.
[00:06:57] Great college.
[00:06:58] You know.
[00:06:59] So but again, I did not get my bearings there.
[00:07:02] Also because it's technical.
[00:07:03] It's too technical.
[00:07:04] I'm not cut out to be an architect.
[00:07:06] But there was one part of it I was really enjoying.
[00:07:08] Which was the design.
[00:07:09] You know, so thank God for that.
[00:07:11] That's where the story I would say began.
[00:07:13] I would give 60% of who I am today.
[00:07:16] Two my learnings in SPA.
[00:07:19] And so very open environment.
[00:07:21] For any time.
[00:07:23] Just say, Abhi Agar, we are here.
[00:07:24] So it's kind of an next level.
[00:07:26] Yeah.
[00:07:27] Open.
[00:07:28] Two open.
[00:07:29] Sometimes.
[00:07:30] Can be.
[00:07:31] I hear of it.
[00:07:32] It's time can be judged also.
[00:07:33] That what the hell is going on.
[00:07:34] But I think from there, I started to at least understand that I have very
[00:07:37] low self-esteem.
[00:07:38] It was there and that I haven't feel your to complex.
[00:07:42] It was there that it started because everybody was awesome.
[00:07:46] I mean, because most people were there because they wanted to be there.
[00:07:49] I didn't want to be there.
[00:07:51] I was again trying to live my parents dreams that they are so happy.
[00:07:54] And kiss.
[00:07:55] So, Kulme.
[00:07:57] They are proudly saying my daughters from SPA.
[00:08:00] Yeah.
[00:08:01] It's the tag.
[00:08:02] Of self-worth which you've outsourced to something else.
[00:08:07] That's the start.
[00:08:08] So you're saying, right?
[00:08:09] That was a fire.
[00:08:10] That was not a fire.
[00:08:11] It was not a fire.
[00:08:12] It was a fire.
[00:08:13] But the way it was.
[00:08:15] When I did it, I realized that Kiss Kiss is the way it is.
[00:08:18] Low self-esteem and inferiority complex.
[00:08:21] But life was happening.
[00:08:23] Yeah.
[00:08:24] Life was happening on the side.
[00:08:26] It's happening on the side.
[00:08:27] It's happening on the side.
[00:08:28] It's happening on the side.
[00:08:29] Around the foreshadies failure.
[00:08:31] Is when I think the first layer came off of inferiority complex.
[00:08:36] That, oh my God.
[00:08:38] Like, the way you perceive me, maybe some people don't perceive me sometimes as ex in a positive light.
[00:08:46] I have only begun to see myself like that this year.
[00:08:49] Is what I'm gonna say.
[00:08:51] Yeah.
[00:08:52] That's what it is.
[00:08:53] Which is perfectly human.
[00:08:54] I think I've gone through many similar spaces.
[00:08:57] But something that we all deal with is the fear of failure
[00:09:00] and fear of judgment.
[00:09:02] Now when the first marriage or relationship comes apart,
[00:09:06] there's a lot that gets exposed.
[00:09:09] And a lot that becomes a food for thought for no reason
[00:09:13] for people to pick in gossip.
[00:09:15] Yeah.
[00:09:16] To maybe bitch if I may say.
[00:09:19] How did you deal with that?
[00:09:22] This is very interesting.
[00:09:24] So I feel and I've been told in a number of times
[00:09:27] today I take it as a strength that I am very knife and a guru.
[00:09:33] In a good way, like, worldly thing,
[00:09:36] or something.
[00:09:37] Today I use that to my advantage.
[00:09:41] Me go to Janabini.
[00:09:42] Therefore, that is a bubble around me that protects me from judgment.
[00:09:47] I feel that is why I do whatever the hell I want to even today.
[00:09:51] It doesn't, I'm seriously telling you,
[00:09:54] the judgment of what people say will be.
[00:09:58] It's not present in my universe.
[00:10:03] Really?
[00:10:04] It is just not present in terms of society,
[00:10:08] not image.
[00:10:11] So society is a rule.
[00:10:14] That is what it is.
[00:10:16] It's like this.
[00:10:17] It's like a child.
[00:10:18] It's like a lady.
[00:10:20] This society is constructs.
[00:10:22] They are not there in my head.
[00:10:24] How am I self image?
[00:10:25] That how I'm being seen to the world?
[00:10:27] Yes, they are there.
[00:10:28] That is a big deal.
[00:10:29] That affects me also.
[00:10:30] That how am I being perceived?
[00:10:32] Yes.
[00:10:33] I don't care what people think.
[00:10:35] It's a lie.
[00:10:36] I do care what people think.
[00:10:37] But the constructs of society, like marriage,
[00:10:41] like in a time-pate, like a person who wants to go to the home.
[00:10:44] A professional, you don't have to leave.
[00:10:47] That's like a deep-seated conditioning.
[00:10:50] Because of the buddhu pun,
[00:10:53] it never ever ruled me only.
[00:10:55] I bypassed it.
[00:10:56] That's very innocent.
[00:10:58] Innocently bypassed it.
[00:11:00] Very nicely.
[00:11:01] That the job is a matter of how much it is.
[00:11:03] It's not that the effect is also being done.
[00:11:06] But I would still go back to that question.
[00:11:10] Back to the matter.
[00:11:12] Yeah, well, obviously,
[00:11:13] an idea of how a perfectionist is.
[00:11:17] And that's the idea of how a person is.
[00:11:20] But it's not that it's a matter of how a perfectionist is.
[00:11:25] It's not that it's a perfectionist.
[00:11:26] But when things do not fall,
[00:11:29] in those parameters,
[00:11:31] the way that you've envisioned it to,
[00:11:35] how do you pick yourself up?
[00:11:37] How do you pick your broken self up?
[00:11:39] One to be resilient,
[00:11:41] countering what is happening in the now
[00:11:43] and then preparing yourself for a better brighter future.
[00:11:46] Okay, so I'll answer this in two ways.
[00:11:48] Two steps actually.
[00:11:50] First up, for me,
[00:11:52] I wouldn't see perfection.
[00:11:53] It's more peace,
[00:11:54] where am I in line like the whole thing in line?
[00:11:57] Is when I'm feeling okay.
[00:11:59] And that I've now owned that.
[00:12:01] I've been told all my life that it's not feeling like it.
[00:12:04] In fact, it's all taught, that's what I'm feeling.
[00:12:06] Why do you feel so much?
[00:12:08] Why is so sensitive?
[00:12:09] This that today, it's my biggest strength.
[00:12:12] My untouchable strength that now nobody comes close to me.
[00:12:17] But what I'm here, this I'm talking now,
[00:12:20] are of my son was about 14 years ago.
[00:12:23] Are of story 14 years ago actually?
[00:12:26] 15 years ago.
[00:12:27] When the marriage for whatever reasons
[00:12:30] wasn't really working,
[00:12:32] it was just a feeling here.
[00:12:34] That I'm not okay and I'm juro-vo-ruing.
[00:12:38] I mean, I'm not even a person who's not even a person.
[00:12:41] And I'm typically a person where equilibrium is excited and happy.
[00:12:46] When I say happy, excited, like bouncy, that's my equilibrium.
[00:12:50] When you're equilibrating,
[00:12:52] so whether I can say it in so many words or whether I know how to express myself
[00:12:57] is secondary, primary is I'm not feeling okay.
[00:13:00] And for me, that's been my guiding light always.
[00:13:03] It would heal you like that.
[00:13:04] So that is then, that's what you're saying.
[00:13:07] It's solid, which started to develop then.
[00:13:09] That was the first time I touched upon it.
[00:13:11] That's it. That is the fire.
[00:13:13] It's now interconnected.
[00:13:14] So, so I told my parents that's when the fiction began.
[00:13:20] And of course, the society that we're seeing,
[00:13:23] Marthatune hai is called.
[00:13:25] Ferdun yura, America, none of these are the guys also quite decent actually.
[00:13:29] Then when I'm a negro, I don't feel like that was stuff.
[00:13:35] Then the judgements came from the family.
[00:13:37] As they say, everybody starts to tell their own marriage stories
[00:13:40] and how they are sacrificing and how it's important.
[00:13:43] All power to everybody.
[00:13:45] I'm not sitting here to say so I don't care.
[00:13:47] Everybody all women all men do decide to choose what they want to.
[00:13:53] So till about five, six years ago, I used to also look down on those people.
[00:13:57] Why did you tell me that?
[00:13:58] You're not going to marry me.
[00:14:00] Today I'm at a place where, no.
[00:14:02] Everybody chose what they want to. Everybody's found their peace,
[00:14:05] but I wasn't finding my peace.
[00:14:07] And I used to cry a lot from my soul.
[00:14:10] Is it different crying? Which I know.
[00:14:12] So I was like, if nobody wants to support me, it's cool, I'm still going to knock out.
[00:14:16] I don't care.
[00:14:17] And now on the all the more, when I'm chosen to have a child now,
[00:14:22] this is what I thought was right.
[00:14:24] But I had to say that if my baby doesn't have to,
[00:14:27] then I'll just continue to make everybody happy.
[00:14:30] Now it was all the way around.
[00:14:32] It was all the way around.
[00:14:33] Because I came after a Mr. Boschian,
[00:14:36] I had a Mr. Boschian before that.
[00:14:38] And I know I went through hell.
[00:14:40] The previous, he was not even a miscarriage.
[00:14:43] It was a Mr. Boschian is very common.
[00:14:45] But I told him, and that bubble,
[00:14:47] I don't know what's going on in the world.
[00:14:49] It hurt me, quite badly.
[00:14:51] Then again, when I chose to get pregnant, I'm like,
[00:14:53] okay, here's a soul that's entered.
[00:14:56] And I'm not going to give it happiness.
[00:14:58] I will give it society,
[00:15:00] K, should's.
[00:15:02] No.
[00:15:03] No. That doesn't work.
[00:15:05] It's just not adding up.
[00:15:07] It's not adding up.
[00:15:08] So I want out.
[00:15:09] I don't care.
[00:15:10] That's when my parents supported me, my mother.
[00:15:13] Yeah.
[00:15:14] When she saw me crying like that,
[00:15:15] she was like something's not right.
[00:15:17] And yeah, you can go on picking and saying,
[00:15:19] finding reasons with lawyers blah blah.
[00:15:21] Then we came to the beautiful world in compatibility.
[00:15:24] No, I got to tell you, you used to be a lot.
[00:15:27] That's when.
[00:15:28] And as far as my life began,
[00:15:30] when I became a single mother.
[00:15:32] That's when the dunya dari
[00:15:34] because I came to Gurgaon then.
[00:15:36] I was in Puna.
[00:15:37] Puna is a sweet up place.
[00:15:39] It's got nicer people.
[00:15:40] Gurgaon sucks.
[00:15:41] In terms of, I'm sorry.
[00:15:42] It does.
[00:15:43] In terms of, and it's become worse.
[00:15:45] In terms of interpersonal human relationships.
[00:15:48] Which you know how it gets projected as a middle-class.
[00:15:51] It's a lie.
[00:15:53] Gurgaon is a lie.
[00:15:55] It is the Kathakuchauri or underkuchauri.
[00:15:58] And I'm saying this on the basis of actually having been to so many people's houses for all the work that I do.
[00:16:04] Everything that I do, everything that I do.
[00:16:07] I have to go into people's houses and sit with them for hours.
[00:16:10] So I go out to even Zumba, even life coach, minimalism, anything.
[00:16:15] Even voice of silence that I do.
[00:16:17] I talk to people.
[00:16:19] But I go, so I go to their house or in their heart.
[00:16:22] In their heart, very, very deep eyes.
[00:16:24] There's not a single society I think in Gurgaon.
[00:16:27] There have not been to.
[00:16:28] For something of the other.
[00:16:29] Operating there, something in the wall, furniture art.
[00:16:32] Whatever interior is, architecture earlier.
[00:16:34] Right?
[00:16:35] Gurgaon.
[00:16:36] Of course it has its very beautiful heart.
[00:16:38] Chotasav, which is a group of very nice people.
[00:16:41] When I say nice, what I mean everybody's nice.
[00:16:44] But basically, they're going to have to eat.
[00:16:48] I don't know what they're going to eat.
[00:16:49] Gurgaon.
[00:16:50] That's what you've got.
[00:16:51] What were your TV issues with Gurgaon?
[00:16:53] Initially, oh, in the same breath I would like to say, I grew with Gurgaon.
[00:16:57] I'm talking more today.
[00:16:58] Yeah.
[00:16:59] That time it was because I dealt with men then.
[00:17:01] I was single mother.
[00:17:02] Because I wanted to get, I was an architect so I wanted to work.
[00:17:07] As an architect that time I had no other qualification.
[00:17:09] Right?
[00:17:10] So I started to go to the early state offices.
[00:17:12] He just walking on the streets literally.
[00:17:15] Literally, literally walking.
[00:17:17] He came to me and I was a city.
[00:17:19] I was one plus.
[00:17:21] So I was like, okay, I was at a zero.
[00:17:24] I was in all possible ways.
[00:17:26] Thank God.
[00:17:27] We were in the city of Chayad.
[00:17:29] There are many people who are mentally.
[00:17:31] So zero in terms of money and everything.
[00:17:34] Like nothing.
[00:17:35] Even my health, mental health, everything.
[00:17:37] Zero.
[00:17:38] So I was like, okay, you know what I was going to do?
[00:17:41] What you're at?
[00:17:42] Zero.
[00:17:43] So now you have to survive.
[00:17:45] Zid.
[00:17:46] Zid.
[00:17:47] Hoseok.
[00:17:48] But Zid in what sense?
[00:17:50] Like what kind of Zid are you referring to?
[00:17:53] I'm asking you.
[00:17:54] You have to do something.
[00:17:55] You have to do something.
[00:17:56] You have to do something.
[00:17:57] I will do something.
[00:17:58] This is the one.
[00:17:59] I will go down or I will not.
[00:18:01] Yeah.
[00:18:02] Boval is it.
[00:18:03] Which propel me in a positive way,
[00:18:06] where within a year I rebuilt myself.
[00:18:11] Within one year.
[00:18:12] I did everything that I could.
[00:18:15] Everything.
[00:18:16] Like the tiniest of jobs, you know,
[00:18:19] where there was being an artist,
[00:18:21] I think I have a nice handwriting.
[00:18:23] So there was a poster that was put somewhere in the colony
[00:18:26] that I was in and by the way,
[00:18:28] I also moved out of my parents house.
[00:18:30] I was with them when I came here.
[00:18:31] But within about a year,
[00:18:33] I said, I want to move out.
[00:18:34] So they will like, you know,
[00:18:36] you can't be doing one after the other things,
[00:18:38] which are stupid.
[00:18:39] Yeah.
[00:18:40] You know, that making you more vulnerable.
[00:18:41] More vulnerable.
[00:18:42] You know, both your friends are going to go.
[00:18:44] Yeah.
[00:18:45] I was like, no.
[00:18:46] Because what is happening is when I am with my parents
[00:18:48] and they are authority,
[00:18:49] and my child is growing up.
[00:18:51] So he will see,
[00:18:52] Mama and I am getting dependent on you
[00:18:55] that rent free,
[00:18:56] kind of free here.
[00:18:57] Can I earn your living in the parents, right?
[00:18:59] They are parents.
[00:19:00] They look after you.
[00:19:01] So then it makes me complacent.
[00:19:03] What am I teaching my child?
[00:19:05] For the house in the house.
[00:19:07] What is it?
[00:19:08] It's not like you can go through that marriage.
[00:19:11] So now you are going to come here.
[00:19:13] What am I teaching my child then?
[00:19:15] That Mama does a victim.
[00:19:18] She came up with my,
[00:19:20] I know that I really nice.
[00:19:21] They took care of my mother.
[00:19:22] Is this the story he is going to talk about?
[00:19:24] That, so I was like, I need to work.
[00:19:27] I want to work.
[00:19:28] I have to work.
[00:19:29] I mean,
[00:19:31] I don't have to do anything.
[00:19:33] I have to go to the other side.
[00:19:34] But if you ask that time,
[00:19:36] it was to prove to the world which is my parents mainly.
[00:19:39] I think my,
[00:19:40] it was a world where my parents were.
[00:19:41] And maybe some people were put me down.
[00:19:43] You know,
[00:19:44] you know,
[00:19:45] you know,
[00:19:46] you're going to prove that.
[00:19:47] Do niya is been clapping only.
[00:19:49] Do niya has been uploading me.
[00:19:51] It's those five, six people who have put you down.
[00:19:54] You want to prove and,
[00:19:55] and your parents.
[00:19:56] They've not put you down.
[00:19:57] But you want to prove to them that I,
[00:19:59] I can do this alone.
[00:20:01] That was that time.
[00:20:02] In hindsight,
[00:20:04] that time it was not my motivation.
[00:20:06] And I will now prove to them.
[00:20:08] No, my motivation was.
[00:20:10] Okay, what next?
[00:20:12] What next?
[00:20:13] Where can I put our,
[00:20:14] which school can you go to?
[00:20:15] Now how do I earn my money?
[00:20:16] I've got this much.
[00:20:17] Ta-bo naitha.
[00:20:18] Now I look back in hindsight.
[00:20:19] Yeah.
[00:20:20] It was proved to my parents
[00:20:22] that you always measured myself with my excellence.
[00:20:27] And you never accepted me for who I am.
[00:20:31] Because of that, I find myself at a lack of self-love
[00:20:34] and self-worth.
[00:20:35] But well you have it your way.
[00:20:37] Who get proof?
[00:20:38] Now let me lead my own life.
[00:20:40] And that new life came when I got we married.
[00:20:43] Ta-bo, of course, naitha naitha naitha naitha naitha naitha
[00:20:46] That was the point.
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[00:21:11] This point of highly sensitive person.
[00:21:14] Now,
[00:21:15] take me through this, Karnaika,
[00:21:18] somebody who has so much fire
[00:21:20] whose constant life is in action.
[00:21:23] She just wants to create express.
[00:21:26] All over.
[00:21:27] We see you all over.
[00:21:29] And we think,
[00:21:34] and I'm talking just from the audience point of view,
[00:21:36] someone who really don't sound you,
[00:21:38] really admire your work and appreciate you.
[00:21:42] How do we not get intimidated with your resilience?
[00:21:45] And how do we see you as sensitive?
[00:21:48] Because your power,
[00:21:50] what you create,
[00:21:52] comes through from the space of a lot of strength.
[00:21:56] And deep down is so much sensitivity.
[00:22:00] How does one really add up to that?
[00:22:04] This is the same person who has so much strength,
[00:22:06] so much power, so much energy,
[00:22:08] and somewhere she's so sensitive.
[00:22:11] How do we,
[00:22:12] or that's okay?
[00:22:15] This is coming as a,
[00:22:17] this side did not expect,
[00:22:19] okay, I,
[00:22:20] this is like a mirror being given to me in a way I,
[00:22:23] wow,
[00:22:24] okay,
[00:22:25] I don't know how to answer this.
[00:22:27] I have never perceived myself as being perceived
[00:22:30] as a strong, like,
[00:22:32] intimidating person.
[00:22:34] Like I told you,
[00:22:36] my self-esteem has been very low.
[00:22:38] I've always thought that people are thinking
[00:22:40] if sometimes that,
[00:22:42] I don't know that,
[00:22:45] this is the same as me,
[00:22:46] I have a thing,
[00:22:47] you know, I,
[00:22:48] I never thought it was coming that it's been looked at
[00:22:50] as strength I'm glad if it is.
[00:22:52] It is.
[00:22:53] I am so happy if it is because that's my biggest strength,
[00:22:56] sensitivity,
[00:22:57] number one,
[00:22:58] and resilience,
[00:22:59] resilience why?
[00:23:00] Because I think,
[00:23:02] where is resilience?
[00:23:04] I don't know what's going on,
[00:23:05] but I think the constant,
[00:23:07] never being very self-centered,
[00:23:09] it kind of like,
[00:23:11] I'm talking to the audience here,
[00:23:13] or you,
[00:23:14] is,
[00:23:15] a,
[00:23:16] I will take away from this,
[00:23:18] that this is how it's happening
[00:23:21] and maybe now express even more,
[00:23:23] not just for myself,
[00:23:24] even for people like me,
[00:23:25] I'm not alone in this world.
[00:23:26] I'm sure there are millions like me right?
[00:23:28] Yeah.
[00:23:29] Now I will,
[00:23:30] I didn't know this dimension,
[00:23:32] and I,
[00:23:34] I feel,
[00:23:35] I can,
[00:23:36] and I do not,
[00:23:37] I feel,
[00:23:38] I can,
[00:23:39] I'm the most comfortable,
[00:23:40] with everybody,
[00:23:42] like,
[00:23:43] I can't talk to anybody
[00:23:45] and because I feel we're all the same,
[00:23:46] that used to be my motto at a certain point,
[00:23:48] and when it's time,
[00:23:49] you're all the same,
[00:23:50] you know?
[00:23:51] So,
[00:23:52] I,
[00:23:53] I think what I'm going to do is,
[00:23:55] I'm going to express a little more.
[00:23:58] Okay, this is surprising,
[00:24:00] but,
[00:24:01] I,
[00:24:02] I'll just,
[00:24:03] I'm going to,
[00:24:04] thank you for saying this one,
[00:24:05] I'm going to express myself even more,
[00:24:06] I'm going to put myself out even more,
[00:24:08] even more,
[00:24:09] even,
[00:24:10] I want to get to a place where,
[00:24:12] you see,
[00:24:13] you see,
[00:24:14] you see,
[00:24:15] you see,
[00:24:16] I don't,
[00:24:17] I don't have any privacy.
[00:24:19] Ask me anything,
[00:24:20] I'll tell you,
[00:24:21] but,
[00:24:22] you,
[00:24:23] I'm going to say,
[00:24:25] but,
[00:24:26] I don't have a lot of thought,
[00:24:28] but,
[00:24:29] not that.
[00:24:30] There's no filter.
[00:24:31] There is,
[00:24:32] and,
[00:24:33] I'm very polite,
[00:24:34] I will never,
[00:24:35] those,
[00:24:36] those etiquettes come from the army,
[00:24:37] I will report to you.
[00:24:38] There's a way of speaking,
[00:24:39] and I have,
[00:24:40] I take offence and,
[00:24:42] get very angry when I see,
[00:24:44] People not using the right words. I'm not talking about abuse bad words. Yeah love bad words. Mom ta you should see
[00:24:54] That is it out of the version. I think we'll have to do another episode even the different mom ta has to also
[00:25:00] I love using bad words. You have no idea in my alone time with my husband
[00:25:07] With them not to him with him and
[00:25:10] And I know that I'm a guy who is abuse. That's a different side to me, but
[00:25:17] hurting people or entitlement
[00:25:19] Yeah, I have allergy reactions to I can stand up done this in public. Yeah, why I said that and I thought
[00:25:25] I felt so compelled to say it is because what we do
[00:25:30] In one area of our life
[00:25:32] gets done in many other areas of our life. Yep
[00:25:35] So when you say that
[00:25:38] You disconnected with your own people for reasons that sometimes even you know
[00:25:44] You're also not very clear about here who are I was just being very myself or yeah
[00:25:48] This is who I am if they can't accept me for who I am but this could really be
[00:25:54] Very very intimidating for someone
[00:25:58] When you're saying for someone who could be your own who could associate with you as very
[00:26:04] You like I have never met Kaniqa, but I do feel there's a certain sense of love or you know
[00:26:11] Compassion and then one nest that I feel yeah, and I definitely didn't want to take her off on the very first thing
[00:26:18] There are it's just my thing which I'm projecting
[00:26:21] But they it is coming from something that also is
[00:26:25] Reflecting back that okay. I take it tough if I can be here on time
[00:26:29] You can be here and and has our other things which has nothing to do with you honestly, but that's how humans are
[00:26:37] That is true. That is true
[00:26:39] And yes, I will not deny that there are a certain there are a few value systems
[00:26:45] Yes, I live by those were the ones I was talking to you before they show that I've built them yeah over time
[00:26:52] You know, you know use the word time for me time
[00:26:56] They say time is of essence
[00:26:58] Yeah, but I think my biggest value system which I learned in my NLP certification because your taught values system
[00:27:04] There are like 60 of them and there is a process like how will you deal with clients and what is that?
[00:27:09] It's a thing that's when I realize my biggest one of one of the biggest
[00:27:17] Is punctuality yeah now that said
[00:27:21] Because you're being so open. Yes, it will like it will cross my mind
[00:27:25] Yeah, that okay, the you know
[00:27:27] I'm on time yeah, and maybe the person is running and you know that it will cross your mind has already crossed my mind
[00:27:33] So that's that's maybe because of you are yeah not everybody's like you yeah
[00:27:37] I have met a lot of entitled people who will keep me waiting or
[00:27:42] Or anybody waiting for that matter and
[00:27:45] Not even talk about it. That's my problem
[00:27:48] It's very tiny thing. I know but somebody calling and you know, I'm late. Okay, yeah, it's
[00:27:53] This is my value system
[00:27:55] Like how some people have OCD for clenneyness, yeah, but they don't vomit all over other people that you are you know
[00:28:01] Yeah, this is my thing. It's not yours. Yeah, it's okay. And Sabi. Who is he?
[00:28:05] Yeah, no, what happens?
[00:28:07] And I relate to both the things because I am pretty much there. 100% not there
[00:28:13] And there's no matching or measuring up to it, but
[00:28:17] Tlenelyness like we talk about it, but you
[00:28:20] You do expect there is a certain sense of expectation that gets built in key
[00:28:25] I'm maybe to curry. I'm also trying to keep this all up, right? Yeah
[00:28:29] So I'm sure if you push yourself you can but there will be people who will fault her fail
[00:28:34] Break and sometimes you know not live up to it then do you do you make peace with it?
[00:28:39] The years are confession. Yeah, I
[00:28:42] Didn't yeah, I didn't which is why I've heard people
[00:28:46] Very close to me. That's what I have yeah, I have and
[00:28:51] What the works coming everyone?
[00:28:56] That's when I learned to that's where spirituality helps. Yeah, because if I could
[00:29:02] If I could disconnect not disconnect, I'll see detached from my parents
[00:29:06] The whole cycle came where first I stopped talking to my parents my source
[00:29:11] Then I stopped talking to my own brother. Yeah, then I isolated myself in my house with my husband and my child
[00:29:18] And then with the whole healing journey on one call I was back with my parents as if nothing happened
[00:29:24] And on one coffee because my brother doesn't live here one coffee came from back from Bangalore
[00:29:29] Is all as as it was but with a change?
[00:29:32] Yeah, that I'm not attached in the best possible way the way that they say no expectations
[00:29:39] These are people I love from the bottom of my heart
[00:29:42] But mamta let's say if I get to know you better and we spend some time together. I will love you the same
[00:29:48] It's that with them
[00:29:51] Now because you asked me such a deep question
[00:29:55] It is my life partner
[00:29:58] That I did have a lot of expectations from to answer your question for the first time because this is something that I that has just broken
[00:30:06] And right now in fact it's just been a few days
[00:30:10] That I have told him and he had been telling me that you get very controlling yeah, and I was like
[00:30:18] Now when I go back to you I'm controlling what to negative I excuse me. I'm not controlling me
[00:30:24] But I saw them right after the healing yeah
[00:30:27] I saw them mirror and I was like you do what you have to nobody's stopping you don't expect that from others
[00:30:33] And that equals controlling yeah, don't be that person
[00:30:38] Then what have you learned?
[00:30:40] You know but then again this was earlier today. It is not out of questioning
[00:30:45] There is a complete like
[00:30:47] But you were not going to be alone with your own soul and you are also very cute
[00:30:53] That's not it. You were not going to be alone with your own soul
[00:30:55] You are totally attached to controlling me
[00:30:57] I'm a bad person
[00:30:58] I mean anything negative means I'm a bad person
[00:31:00] No, I may have displayed controlling behavior
[00:31:03] I may have displayed in secure behavior
[00:31:06] I'm not insecure dude neither am I controlling no I'm not
[00:31:09] And what I firmly believe when I think this is just one of my recent codes that I've just been coating it so many times
[00:31:15] It won't go for you goes against you
[00:31:18] Too much of that will always go against you
[00:31:21] Interesting yeah, yeah, what thank you for this one. Yeah if you control then of course
[00:31:26] You're keeping things in balance you are helping them not just splash out and spread out
[00:31:32] Yeah, that's true. That's a nice take away from today. It's the same coin. You're right. Yeah
[00:31:37] I guess I got introduced to the other side of the coin very recently. Yeah, and
[00:31:41] Then came the actual concept off because I would feel sometimes that make
[00:31:46] Pura Piaa, I can't even go to the bathroom. I've realized work you can't go to the bathroom
[00:31:53] I've realized why
[00:31:55] That journey has begun as we speak like days ago. Yeah, I'm on that journey now beautiful
[00:32:02] Tell me some of the biases that you've really had to drop certain unlearnings to be
[00:32:10] Be where you are today in your journey women the way I looked at women very nice you asked me this because I worked on it
[00:32:15] Very consciously till about six seven years ago
[00:32:21] I would look at women and judge
[00:32:23] a gnav judge and opinion and act really yes, like yes, like
[00:32:31] If she's like okay, how I would not dressing you but I've never heard anybody till date
[00:32:36] But maybe how she's speaking or what she's doing okay. Yeah
[00:32:41] What she's saying
[00:32:42] Let's see on social media or even personally her viewpoints or whatever. I would just form a judgment
[00:32:47] that
[00:32:48] Like if she's screaming too much of being very like a little more aggressive
[00:32:53] Is a duro here. Oh, okay, you know because she's got very strong opinions and sorry
[00:32:59] That or if somebody is
[00:33:01] Marriage may like I like I told you that's what a lot of people right? Yeah, I know a lot of women
[00:33:07] We know a lot of women they're being battered at their houses at their homes. They've told me and
[00:33:13] They're still continuing, you know I would judge them also I would be like
[00:33:18] Why can't she get out? What is this? I judge you like that little real elective six seven years ago
[00:33:24] Dere Dere
[00:33:28] You know again. I'm judging them because I'm judging myself. Yeah
[00:33:31] So jabbe it two touches then so I was like why am I judge?
[00:33:35] Do you know that story when you got judged by because I've got judged too? Yeah, my people very Facebook is a thing
[00:33:42] But I'm not sure what's the reason?
[00:33:44] You're a man mostly
[00:33:46] Many few women have judged me. Thank God at least not explicitly not explicitly on my face
[00:33:51] Men on my face will say things like you know
[00:33:54] Why can't you decide what you want to do like why can't you choose a one woman also a set it but he came okay
[00:34:00] I also are you okay, but men
[00:34:02] Why can't you decide like why do you have to do so many things?
[00:34:06] Whatever yeah, yeah, so in my head I was like
[00:34:09] Well, back on keep your mouth shut, but that didn't say but I was like
[00:34:15] You're supposed to be a lady no more. Yeah, my husband
[00:34:18] No, my dad papa. Oh, no, my brother. Oh, my daughter. No, my friend. Oh, it used to piss me off. Yeah
[00:34:24] So when it kept pissing me off then I was like
[00:34:26] But you're the same thing with other women how much of again? I last this question. How much of a
[00:34:34] load bearing
[00:34:36] Your people are doing with you two have someone so righteous around them
[00:34:43] someone so
[00:34:47] Intelligent or astute
[00:34:49] Yes, it's a guy and he's a girl. Do you think because everyone
[00:34:51] He's not a girl
[00:34:54] I don't know what's happening
[00:34:56] Yeah, so I just want to be a woman
[00:34:58] Which is something else
[00:35:00] Particularly so does it have a rubber phone you child
[00:35:04] A rubber phone my child
[00:35:07] Here I'll only have to talk about my life partner. Okay, Adi Adi Chakravati
[00:35:15] We've had our ups and downs
[00:35:17] But today while I sit with you, I I feel that he has taken the maximum load
[00:35:24] He's a very different person
[00:35:26] He's taken
[00:35:28] I have not shed his load as much as he has shed mine
[00:35:31] Yeah, and because of that there have been because there is two love between us
[00:35:36] But
[00:35:37] Jitna be bold. So I don't know what I'm saying. I mean, but Jubia bolder love. Oh, of course between people that are not related
[00:35:42] Like how I love my son. I don't love him
[00:35:45] But the closest that I've been in love with somebody has been the person that I married to Adi
[00:35:51] He has carried too much of my load to the extent of somewhere losing himself. Yeah, yeah, and today
[00:35:58] We are at a place where he's just lost some other recently and I am going to confess this
[00:36:05] publicly
[00:36:07] That
[00:36:10] Wasn't there for him here for whatever reasons
[00:36:13] I will not explain
[00:36:14] I'm just owning up and saying that I wasn't there for him because of my journey
[00:36:18] Jitna that's the only thing I would like to say
[00:36:21] Not our baron tension, but I wasn't there for him and I should have been so today
[00:36:27] When I'm sitting in front of you. I'm realizing that
[00:36:30] Load bearing especially in a partnership
[00:36:32] I will not call it college college. I'm done with the word marriage. I don't like the word marriage
[00:36:36] brings in too much of crap in between
[00:36:39] This is my personal opinion. Please anybody feels anything by all means
[00:36:44] Because any of his answers been an unconventional marriage. I mean it's definitely cool Sharma
[00:36:48] definitions don't right
[00:36:50] But partnership wise if I love somebody I feel I commit to that person and you're saying that I have those values
[00:36:57] Right, so that means if I'm committed
[00:36:59] Then be 100% committed. They are not half-assed away
[00:37:02] He has been to his best. I have not been
[00:37:07] Why will we discuss earlier that's why but can I today?
[00:37:11] Yes, I can yes, I can so I want to be the load bearing for him now. Yeah, and what that does is then
[00:37:18] Beautifully takes off my load also absolutely then I start to become less controlling more easy
[00:37:23] You know like that. So very deep question. Yeah. Thank you for asking me that
[00:37:28] Voice be here silence be here voice of silence
[00:37:32] Tell me what was the brain shy like where did it kick off?
[00:37:36] And how is it going?
[00:37:39] So what's the journey the journey was after we personally
[00:37:45] I was disintegrating
[00:37:48] From pain I have felt I can say it here. I can't say it. I know people will say that you are a pain
[00:37:54] Amara pain is not like me. I agree
[00:37:57] But I'm a product of pain. I am and I will say it
[00:38:02] I am it
[00:38:04] Not unbelievable pain. I've been through all my life that was the
[00:38:10] Hill to fit you know when I went for the person why because of being unheard and
[00:38:15] Undisturbed okay, you know so much and a lot of events also which lead to a lot of pain and
[00:38:21] Resolved events and then being who I am
[00:38:25] As I thought that you talk about anything when they went
[00:38:28] Hmm
[00:38:31] Which recently healed with your
[00:38:34] Yeah, it would have to be a
[00:38:36] Abuse of all kinds honestly
[00:38:40] But there has been sexual abuse as well
[00:38:44] Those
[00:38:45] Those would be the ones that women don't talk about I'm talking about it because that will be the most easily acceptable
[00:38:51] in terms of we've heard about it
[00:38:53] but there has been psychological abuse
[00:38:56] Mental
[00:38:58] Physical there has been now I will never want to take the people's names, but there has been
[00:39:05] There has been and why just because I always was a sore thumb in the society
[00:39:12] That I don't belong you know why because way she's dumb or she's stupid or she's silly
[00:39:18] According to the society meaning
[00:39:20] Something happens at the time, it's not a routine, there are feelings, the aim is
[00:39:25] So yeah, it's not been nice like that
[00:39:29] The world and it's my I would exclude my parents they have been part of it to some extent, but I'm just saying that they are not part of this
[00:39:36] But
[00:39:37] Growing up a lot a lot
[00:39:40] Again, not blaming anybody today because when you understand yourself then you know how to conduct yourself
[00:39:46] And how to have a separatedness that's a new word that I came across
[00:39:50] I'm always now carrying myself in a vessel
[00:39:53] But you don't choose these things gonna come and even happen you don't you when circumstances go here
[00:39:59] Why oh and when you now make sense of it threaded on
[00:40:04] And exercise that separateness
[00:40:09] Is this some sort of forgiveness yes before forgiveness came acceptance
[00:40:15] Before acceptance was curiosity before curiosity
[00:40:20] So how it went was pain pain pain moving to trauma trauma trauma moving to bad behavior bad behavior bad behavior
[00:40:27] Then moving to why why because it was coming to my loved ones who I love
[00:40:31] But then we get a John they do me man or you're doing yeah
[00:40:35] It's that's a you ton yeah, it's like then it's a you ton that oh my god
[00:40:40] Something's up dude and never something's wrong with you know
[00:40:45] Something's up
[00:40:46] Let's fix it and I confront
[00:40:49] That way yes
[00:40:50] The I don't know like you said, you know that you're more evolved he who that I don't know
[00:40:55] But
[00:40:56] I have the strength to confront
[00:40:59] Yes
[00:41:00] And that's a thing about sensitive people because we live inside ourselves
[00:41:03] Yeah, so our others are very strong. Yeah, but how are see we look like I say
[00:41:07] So that that strength came that neer
[00:41:10] Then you walk on fire
[00:41:12] Both inside out so yeah, yeah, so walk down fire
[00:41:15] That's where we pass now came in in a child therapy came in a lot of counseling came in
[00:41:21] Denar realized
[00:41:23] Can it come out on her pain
[00:41:26] How long has it gone?
[00:41:28] The purpose came in the front I was like
[00:41:32] You have to be the voice of other people silence because you have been silent all your life and
[00:41:37] I didn't think that mirror silence is the same thing. Yeah, I didn't think that I was like I'd be the medium
[00:41:44] I listened to people's pain let me be that which nobody was for me
[00:41:48] Now it's moving to another level people are getting healed. I am getting healed people in the audience are getting healed absolutely
[00:41:54] I'm like great also
[00:41:57] That's how the talk she it's like the mirror effect right? Yes everybody is looking into each other
[00:42:02] Absolutely
[00:42:04] So that's the talk show called voice of silence. I have very big plans with it
[00:42:08] I don't intend to stop it this way or that for tape is what's done
[00:42:12] Super more to you
[00:42:14] Thank you, and I think we'll be on the 40 years by the time we really least you all
[00:42:19] Wow, okay, that's great
[00:42:21] Yeah, we are the awesome all the best to you two
[00:42:24] Always I mean these things people need to talk yeah
[00:42:26] So I feel all of us are contributing to that and you know the more the merrier
[00:42:31] And even one person talking at a lot of places even that one person getting the same people even that in any form
[00:42:39] I think we all need to talk yeah, I think we've been too much of a silent
[00:42:43] Spectating society and just
[00:42:46] Nick picking and not being in the eyes again anything at all. Yeah, so and only looking up at maybe
[00:42:52] People were famous or popular
[00:42:54] Celebrated that their stories are listening
[00:42:57] Who be syruf?
[00:42:59] Where he part of us
[00:43:01] So now I'll make it exactly never though
[00:43:03] I'm comfortable. Yeah, I live in the uncomfortable
[00:43:07] That's why I said I drive
[00:43:10] I search for discomfort which my family members are bitch are here
[00:43:14] They are like
[00:43:16] Please
[00:43:18] That's it. I think
[00:43:19] See what I'm telling. I'm like
[00:43:21] Kiss me
[00:43:23] What's what I stream it yeah, but just saying I seek discomfort. Yeah, I operate the best there
[00:43:29] I do I do I love it. I love the unconcited on your face
[00:43:35] I give it to you through it at me all right
[00:43:38] So this is my personal favorite and the last leg of this show we call it a rapid reflex round
[00:43:46] So I'm gonna throw a volume of questions. Okay, when you I just want to answer in a word or maybe a sentence
[00:43:52] Okay, does that sound good?
[00:43:53] Kaneka. Yeah, I already for this. Don't tell you ready for this all right
[00:43:57] So let's get started a life to you is just complete the sentence
[00:44:02] Passion love to you is
[00:44:08] soulful art to you is
[00:44:12] Heart my heart
[00:44:14] One thing that you always do first thing in the morning as you wake up
[00:44:18] Smile and go from a walk oh nice and one thing which is a must-do as a last thing of the thing
[00:44:25] Did a good book and sleep always okay your Zen state any corner anything which is which brings you to your Zen moment
[00:44:32] My blue sofa in the corner of my bedroom beautiful
[00:44:36] Compassion how do you comprehend this?
[00:44:41] An necessity in the world
[00:44:44] Your life purposes
[00:44:47] To heal people
[00:44:49] One person you've really idolized all your life
[00:44:53] All my life all my life is a rock
[00:44:57] But
[00:44:59] Quirk yes, dancer
[00:45:01] It's our car now. Am I like yeah
[00:45:03] Sure okay
[00:45:05] Every possible way idolized him now let your imagination go nuts wow what every possible way even mind and everything
[00:45:13] Yes, what about your favorite book one favorite book or the one that you're currently reading
[00:45:19] Let me talk about the one that I'm reading the seat of the soul by Gary Sukov
[00:45:25] Oh man
[00:45:27] Travel movie people what inspires you the most
[00:45:33] People first always people beauty
[00:45:38] If not for the Kanyakas that you are today what would you be
[00:45:44] Shit
[00:45:47] I had an out of body experience
[00:45:50] I'd be dead yeah, no
[00:45:54] This is me. I own myself. No, I don't know okay. Yeah. Oh shit. I had like oh my god
[00:46:02] Nothing not a cell different yeah
[00:46:07] One thing that you would like to tell your 16 year old self
[00:46:16] That you're very beautiful Kanyakas you're very beautiful. Don't think otherwise everything that's happening in your life right now
[00:46:23] is temporary
[00:46:25] Look at yourself through your own eyes
[00:46:27] Beautiful just complete this sentence for me humor is
[00:46:32] The essence of life and people should be
[00:46:36] Compassionate
[00:46:40] Absolutely beautiful that is Kanyakas
[00:46:44] Thank you so much. You're that you've truly come and bound on the show. I'm thank you. We know you the way that you are which is unbound
[00:46:51] But this was awesome
[00:46:52] This is awesome and I also need to say something that I think you're the word unbound
[00:46:58] And use the word unlearn unload
[00:47:01] I think it is it's just so consistent with the name of your show, Manta and
[00:47:08] Yes, you said there are no coincidences and I agree fully there are none
[00:47:12] I'm just part of this moment in your life and my life that I'm here. So thank you very much
[00:47:21] Thank you so much for listening to today's episode. I would love to know from you what idea or insight you
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[00:47:43] Unbounding till then this is your host Manta signing off