EP36: What It Takes To Inspire Inclusion? ft Shalini Sinha & Ankita Mathur

[00:00:00] In 95% women come from the guilt that they have to be with. You have to put your guilt aside.

[00:00:07] So, one we need to or stop distinguishing between a man's work and a woman's work.

[00:00:14] Today, a kitchen of the best chefs are men.

[00:00:21] Hi and welcome to Unbound Specials.

[00:00:24] The continuity of celebration and the continuity of the conversation.

[00:00:29] Today, in this episode with me I have two formidable fiery fiesty and unstoppable humans, women who are not only daring to dream but achieve and succeed too.

[00:00:43] Welcome today, Shalini Sinha, a tea blender and a travel curator and Ankitamaathur, a young entrepreneur and a technologist.

[00:00:54] So, let's get started and unbound together.

[00:00:57] So, Urban Company, when we were talking about women's day, this year, the last month.

[00:01:07] Saying that the meaning of success and women being successful always comes very convoluted.

[00:01:16] It's always with something that will be successful and how she is doing it all.

[00:01:23] So, I just want to start this panel right from that thought itself.

[00:01:29] That is women really wanting too much from herself, is wanting success or wanting success in everything that she's doing is just too much of a calling.

[00:01:41] Or is this something that she actually is very very capable of doing it very naturally and it's me, which hey, Kyaam, are we getting it right?

[00:01:49] Are we really getting it wrong? Let's hear from you Shalini.

[00:01:52] So, as for me, I don't think so. This is a right or wrong.

[00:01:57] You should just do it without a baggage which is judging yourself of being right or wrong in a situation.

[00:02:08] I may handle a situation in a very different way and you may handle the same situation in a very different way but a better way.

[00:02:15] So, for me, one of the inspirations which I found was the Barbie movie.

[00:02:22] Now, Barbie, very released, everybody criticized but I looked at it from an entrepreneurial point of view.

[00:02:30] I mean she made an independent woman when most of these men led MNCs or men led IT startups were happening back then.

[00:02:42] I mean, and she didn't bother what she looking good, what she looking bad.

[00:02:47] She just had so many followers, boys loved seeing Barbie, Barbie loved herself and I think you should just be like her.

[00:02:55] Wow! That's quite an insight.

[00:02:59] What about interesting?

[00:03:01] I think I would agree with Shalini here and say that success is very subjective.

[00:03:07] It should be something that you feel from inside when you get the feeling that now have achieved a milestone.

[00:03:15] This is success for me. Instead of really carrying that baggage and thinking about whether people are finding me successful or whether what people are judging about my success,

[00:03:29] whether it is success for them or not, all of this doesn't matter. All that should matter is how you feel about it.

[00:03:36] So, it should eventually be all about you. That's when you truly become successful.

[00:03:41] Even if you see in a public sense, that's when things start to happen because otherwise we keep on thinking about the society, the norms and everything that comes along with.

[00:03:53] Which is something I think by default, we do that. I think but consciously we should start doing it and thinking more from a perspective of ourselves.

[00:04:04] Well said, but what I feel is that women are always at a fokend.

[00:04:10] They are...

[00:04:11] But if I say to a homemaker that you are living a very successful life, how many of them do you think will really even take it as a compliment?

[00:04:22] They'll be like, are you trying to make fun of me or are you really ridiculing me or is this a better way of criticizing someone?

[00:04:31] But truly, if someone is donning so many hats in a day and especially after a woman takes up the role of mother, where she's also the official chauffeur, chef, caregiver, educator, everything rolled in one.

[00:04:48] So like they say that women are expected to work like they don't have children and mother as if they don't have work.

[00:04:56] So you know, they're always kind of torn apart, you may 100% say, what do you do?

[00:05:02] But how do you make your choices in that case?

[00:05:05] So when you are running for something like that, that you want a perfect house, you want a perfect family, you want perfect children, and then you want perfect careers and professions and aspirations, that's what I want to really understand from you.

[00:05:17] So one is for me, I think perfection is only in being imperfect because if you're not perfect, then you have no aspiration, what next?

[00:05:32] What do you have to do next?

[00:05:34] And the second thing is that perfection can be labeled or you know the degree of perfection that I have to be best, I think in 95% women come from the guilt that they have to do it.

[00:05:50] You have to put your guilt aside.

[00:05:53] So one, we need to stop distinguishing between a man's work and a woman's work.

[00:05:59] Today, the best chefs are men.

[00:06:03] Or not cook at home.

[00:06:07] Secondly, the best offers many a times are women.

[00:06:12] So why don't you think like that? I mean exceptions are there in every case.

[00:06:19] We'll have to stop one is differentiating a man's work and a woman's work.

[00:06:26] Every works when we were talking prior to those recordings, we spoke about all over the world there is a parity.

[00:06:34] But outside India because a man and a woman they share every household course.

[00:06:42] So every outside responsibility is also shared.

[00:06:47] So the differentiation is not as large as it is in India.

[00:06:52] So here slowly and steadily I think things are moving, but that guilt also has to stop.

[00:06:58] And the guilt is only at the women's level.

[00:07:02] So a lot of that is self-inflicted you would say.

[00:07:05] What about you Ankita?

[00:07:07] I think a little differently as well because even this feeling of that we have to do it all or we have to be perfect is very much attributed to how we've been brought up.

[00:07:20] So it's also the conditioning that we usually get right from the childhood.

[00:07:25] So maybe for a person like me who was not taught like these, like there were no biases and okay you're a girl you're supposed to do this and this is your responsibility.

[00:07:36] And when you get married you will have to do this.

[00:07:38] But never in your growing up yours have you heard it from your parents or mother.

[00:07:42] No.

[00:07:43] The cooking be too low.

[00:07:44] I have been really engaged.

[00:07:46] Which is the karma I give you.

[00:07:47] Not these things are not.

[00:07:48] No, never.

[00:07:49] And that's the thing you know, that's where I come from.

[00:07:52] And when I actually came out and you know started working and even while I was in like my graduate studies.

[00:07:59] So I obviously had friends who have been heard such things during their childhood.

[00:08:06] So it kind of that time I was a little surprised or I would say something different perspective I saw.

[00:08:16] And as the ears moved by I realized that it yes, it really depends a lot what you have been hearing from your childhood.

[00:08:25] And specifically from your close circle from your parents immediate family or maybe even from your friends.

[00:08:33] So that really conditions you to being a human being.

[00:08:37] Or the other side is like you are really that strong.

[00:08:41] You are that resilient that you know when you grow up you are able to put all that aside and think okay now this is what is right for me

[00:08:49] And I'm going to do this and that's it.

[00:08:51] That's that's where it.

[00:08:53] You know full stop.

[00:08:54] But I think women I mean as again, are we are we playing that role?

[00:09:00] Are we actually communicating our dreams?

[00:09:04] Are we actually standing for them or are we you know we are okay to trade it off?

[00:09:10] Yeah, so I'll go and get all of them happy.

[00:09:13] So let me you know bypass my aspirations or my dreams.

[00:09:19] So I'm sure that you have to express this to me.

[00:09:23] I'm sure that it's important for me or not.

[00:09:27] So that enrollment and you know getting that person on the same page for you to stand for yourself is also important somewhere right here because I mean if you had to choose between those great professions which I didn't become.

[00:09:42] And choosing between the only thing that I wanted to earn and run away and do something and I didn't know what because I failed miserably my drawing competition.

[00:09:52] So I said, you know but your desperation to do something has to be very strong and that came out of my will that you send me.

[00:10:04] You give me four years of MBA or two years of my money on myself and he said, okay go when you are ready you come back to me.

[00:10:15] And then of course during that time rule it was always around me and he saw this thing so I think would argue.

[00:10:23] So that's a different thing but yes there are these cliches.

[00:10:30] If you're not a girl, then you can go back to your festival and attend to the people you meet in the kitchen.

[00:10:36] So I think I was shielded around saying that she will not do it because she's doing something else.

[00:10:42] And today my boys at home also, bless with two boys and I really aspire but I always think that those girls will come with them.

[00:11:22] I would definitely agree to it because we have to be vocal about what's important to us.

[00:11:30] And many times what happens is we kind of ourselves put it aside, you know even if like so I am a very ambitious person.

[00:11:37] I've always been doing what I wanted to do. There was nobody stopping me but even after that when I got married and even though my mother-in-law, my husband everyone is so understanding I never have to think about anything.

[00:11:51] They are always very encouraging. So even when I joined this mixed martial arts again, so usually what I have seen in people's families is they would be like a little skeptical for women doing these sports.

[00:12:07] So my father-in-law was very appreciative of how you must do it. That was his first expression.

[00:12:13] So that's the kind of family I've got from my in-laws side as well. But even after that it was inside me that during the initial days I was like okay, I do have this meeting but I think because they are coming home today so I should probably just cancel it and spend more time so they'll be happy.

[00:12:34] So then my husband was like see it's not something that you are going outside today. You just have a one hour meeting. Why you want to do that and why you want to compromise, you know something that will help you later in your career.

[00:12:46] So he was like you know do not think that much. If you keep on thinking this every time then you are setting the expectation from right now that you know later on also then they will expect you to do this.

[00:12:58] Even if they do not have this right now in their mind but they will start thinking like this. So unless you become vocal and you focus on what you want and you say it out loud people will really not understand it be it your immediate family or even out there.

[00:13:15] So it's important.

[00:13:16] So in your case you had to really say it out loud to your father and hear the husband is reassuring you that please don't set a precedence because if you are not able to follow through then that will be further.

[00:13:29] Yes, come back to you.

[00:13:31] Oh wow. So yeah so I mean it's commonly said that behind every successful man there is a woman what do you really attribute the success to a woman?

[00:13:41] Both of you async your careers async your professions the choices that you have made what do you think has really really led to this success of course your assortness and your focus is one but from coming from your ecosystem again.

[00:14:00] So I think I've been very lucky in terms of the people who I have been surrounded within term I told you 95% of my area of work or my personal life they are surrounded by good men.

[00:14:18] So while I've already spoken about my husband or my father I remember when I was in Pune in Kovukola and Pune was a rest of Maharashtra.

[00:14:30] Yeah.

[00:14:31] Kambi was the head of this and Goa was balance of Maharashtra so I used to look I used to look after balance of Maharashtra rest of Maharashtra which is Pune and the surroundings Nasi Korangaban.

[00:14:44] So we did a lot of work and I think you know there was a visit which was happening and all the leaders from Atlanta were coming in.

[00:14:54] And the Mumbai Pune Expressway we had to paint it red.

[00:14:58] Okay.

[00:14:59] Okay.

[00:15:00] In the sensory place all Pepsi with Kov.

[00:15:02] Yeah.

[00:15:03] So you know that was the agenda boards like they all do.

[00:15:06] Yeah.

[00:15:07] And we did a good job and over the years in Pune I did a good job in rest of Maharashtra but I never knew there was something called a recognition.

[00:15:16] I was very naive so I don't know if I can understand this.

[00:15:20] So my super super boss, my boss's boss's boss.

[00:15:24] He was the MD, Mr. Akhil Mohamed.

[00:15:28] He called me.

[00:15:29] And he put that and he showed that I was in the magazine in the next month in Coca-Cola.

[00:15:45] Coca-Cola's magazine and I was awarded as the yearly best key account manager for that year.

[00:15:54] And I went to Bombay to receive my award.

[00:15:56] So the first time I knew that you know as a big work.

[00:15:59] So all of those funds so I have been really blessed with good, you know, male people around me.

[00:16:08] Yeah.

[00:16:09] Those are the great councils.

[00:16:11] They are somewhat not insecure.

[00:16:13] Insicured.

[00:16:14] Totally.

[00:16:15] A self-assured like I said these have to be self-assured men who are not either jealous or you know get insecure that oh my god he's going to get ahead.

[00:16:23] How about yourself?

[00:16:24] Of course I've heard about your husband and to some extent your family.

[00:16:31] But are there more people that you attribute your success to really?

[00:16:35] Yes, I would definitely like to mention outside my family because of course my family is my first ecosystem who have enabled me to do everything that I am today.

[00:16:47] And right from my school days so I had a like a math teacher who was always very supportive, very encouraging for me.

[00:16:56] So that was the first one where you know I really got that kind of support and going further in my college days as well.

[00:17:07] So there was a professor in computer science who was very supportive again and for whatever initiatives I wanted to take whatever I wanted to aim for going ahead in my career he was always very supportive about it.

[00:17:22] So at every step like during my academic journey I have received that support from specifically the male my male.

[00:17:31] That's what I would like to highlight here and then going further in my professional journey also.

[00:17:39] And everyone in my senior management I have received the due recognition and actually we do talk about a lot about the workplace bias you know but again I have been blessed so to actually never face it for myself.

[00:17:55] And like in the you know current consulting that I am doing so it's a CEO of the company who keeps encouraging me and you know like always telling me to achieve more to do more and because he feels that I have the potential I can actually do things.

[00:18:12] And again even when I go out meet many clients and companies out there who are like MNCs or even like the smaller company so everywhere I have felt that kind of difference that when you come from a position of power yourself you know when you present yourself the way they take it that way.

[00:18:38] You know they will not take you as a weak or someone you know who would you know just settle for anything.

[00:18:45] So they also you know change their perspective so I open to that.

[00:18:49] So there are many narratives that women are the bias of women.

[00:18:58] I hope it's not going in that direction that you know that maybe men are the silent supporters who always were and perhaps they're really wanting to be but in this whole noise of what we are otherwise saying sisterhood economy and all of that.

[00:19:17] Somewhere deep down women are not okay with the other woman's progress which is a thing.

[00:19:25] So actually not really I actually started to believe in the business of my career because initially and even I got like especially three to four years when I started my job so I had a female boss

[00:19:40] I did face this year.

[00:19:42] Really females are not supporting females kind of so I was very like very frustrated that time I didn't know how to win it out and I was expecting more support

[00:19:53] and more encouragement because she's also female and she should be you know more encouraging towards it.

[00:20:01] And then I realized it's some feeling of insecurity also and things that I faced so I kind of formed an image that you know maybe this is another kind of bias that happens.

[00:20:14] But as I raised up the ladder and met more people so now I have you know like some mentors who are female and I very much never there for you know all the support and guidance they've been doing to me.

[00:20:29] And I would specifically like to mention so I have Namrita as my mentor and she's being the biggest support I have.

[00:20:38] So again we now come to a live ship I think that's really matters in the way whatever we want to achieve.

[00:20:44] How about you like have you actually in this ecosystem great that both of you have spoken about men but where women are I hope they're not left behind

[00:20:54] so I had a mix of bad bosses male and female both but yes I just had one female boss with me and she was really not that cool.

[00:21:15] I mean she did say she's not your own child so I'm just saying that you're on the bed and she should be careful.

[00:21:24] So under the line she was trying to cut my thing and whereas me and I always found very relatable when I used to speak to the male bosses because they would understand a perspective.

[00:21:36] Maybe perhaps you have your wife at your home and an unmarried female boss is red flag but yes today luckily I never decided it this way

[00:21:53] while the whole world above the entire time I you know I have had my nice journey with the male clan.

[00:22:01] Today I have a team which is 90% girls. So everybody's working virtually everybody so we have our targets and end of the month I want results.

[00:22:13] Now you work it two days a day or two days a week you work 20 days a month I don't care so it is like your results have to be proven.

[00:22:23] So that is how things are moving and it's really doing a great I mean at least not a bad boss.

[00:22:32] Absolutely not absolutely not I think you're really mentoring them well and just giving them the right direction and light.

[00:22:41] Just gets me to another point of way I can have bias key. If I take it a little further you've chosen the kind of fields you've chosen again as you go,

[00:22:54] but you're not very much of a president. Women and technology of course we've seen them but the way that you are doing it maybe not many women are in that specific field of work.

[00:23:05] Have you seen something come in your way where maybe it's not your team but it's coming from an external agency like a client or something like that.

[00:23:15] Why is this not a team that can talk to us?

[00:23:21] So honestly yes I did encounter such happenings.

[00:23:27] So essentially what used to happen like when me and my co-founder we both used to go to some potential clients which for the project initial days of our startup.

[00:23:38] So we both come from a technology background and I am more of a coder like you know I've always been experimenting coding and a lot more into the technical stuff compared to my co-founder.

[00:23:51] But because he's a male people used to direct all technical questions to him.

[00:23:57] And I was obviously infuriated that time you know so that's where you know I faced it you know a lot many times.

[00:24:06] Anything related to technology they assumed which will be him who would do it and you know then sometimes when because initially we were also working on delivering the projects for some time before we could hire a team.

[00:24:19] So that time also if you know like he said that okay she will be taking care of this so they'll be like okay so she'll do the development she'll do it.

[00:24:31] So even these things of maybe unintentional bias but I did encounter these things.

[00:24:38] Yeah in your case Charlie I mean of course I'm sure it must be so in your journey as an employee like when you were with a corporate but as an entrepreneur have people really look back and you and said that all going to be a guy.

[00:24:54] So I'm going to talk to the business and now I have you really navigated such conversations and situations.

[00:25:05] So I was mentioning also that you know in travel basically it happens more for travel travel because team I know I am the queen so I will be the queen.

[00:25:19] Travel may in a networking forum where I joined for the category of travel I wasn't getting much of you know queries and the event manager who had joined our chapter he was getting the travel queries as well though it was not his category.

[00:25:38] And I just went on to do one to ones with a few people who were giving him business and they said that we're comfortable talking to him because if I'm doing a dealers meet and if I have to send my dealers outside there are a lot of arrangements that have to be made and that I can't talk to you.

[00:25:57] Oh and I said that's my duty you do get your arrangements so your basic stay and travel like an always take care yeah but you know that that gap is always there and they are not the middle kind of business class people I'm talking from the high class society.

[00:26:15] I mean the people who were owners of big brands who run multi chain brands this is coming from them so yes there is a thought process which is brewing on top and that is flowing in.

[00:26:31] So you people will come to you you are senior citizen trip.

[00:26:35] So that always happens so they will always be certain kind of jobs I mean I'm just trying to decode it because interesting that we talk about this again it takes me to another line of thought but before that that there will be certain kind of jobs that we as a society have become too comfortable to just see men do it and then we can't do it.

[00:27:04] And then there is certain set that we are okay that okay this is in women's hand and so it is safe or it's done in a certain way and what man can you go obviously a very different way which I would category same he hope.

[00:27:17] So moving back to your education where you hail from your family just give me the construct of your life a little bit.

[00:27:27] Sure so I belong to Jabalpur it's a town in Madhya Pradesh and so my entire childhood has been into different places because my dad has a transferable job and he was working into state government.

[00:27:44] So I had different experiences right from childhood and moving to different cities and I would say like when it comes to me actually changing city so I went for my graduate studies to Roorkee where I did my BTEC and then I came here in Delhi when I was starting my first job.

[00:28:06] So this entire journey has been like really I would say simple you know in the sense like I did not have challenges of the kinds that people usually have but I was the one always creating them for myself.

[00:28:22] So you know like when we say you know we expect too much from ourselves most of the times so going back to my school days again it was very difficult for me to take failure.

[00:28:35] I always wanted to be you know I have to be first here I have to win this competition you know everywhere I used to be like that and even when you know I was in my college university

[00:28:49] I carried the same attitude and usually what happens is the only kind of failure that we can have in these things is like okay we will not win or you know we might just fail in maybe some certain subject or something.

[00:29:03] And that is not really a big thing to know but eventually when we started this company and then we realized you know what real failure is.

[00:29:14] So initial days were definitely tough and so because we bootstrapped we were like okay we will you know do it from our own and we would not be taking any funding.

[00:29:24] So there were days where we did not have enough to you know even buy food and we were like okay no we are not going to tell our parents because they will come support us and then you know we will lose that motivation I know that we will become weak.

[00:29:42] So that was a very interesting and I would say a turning point so same that we in short okay now this kind of a situation should not come.

[00:29:51] So there were like three days and we were like okay Navrati's time and we were like chula bhi to Bandara laga no time to see me khalethe.

[00:30:00] So that was a thing and yeah and we were also scared to you know tell this to anyone because momy papa takh pahaaj gya so they will be like what the hell are you doing?

[00:30:09] Yeah after all the education of table you know leaving a good high paying job in an emincy and doing this.

[00:30:16] So it was but yeah now when I remember it it was like real good experience and then building up a team from scratch and sometimes again we do see failures like you know when we maybe lose a big client or maybe you know it's just a you know market industry things like what happened during the pandemic time.

[00:30:38] So there are ups and downs and then I realized okay what real failure is and then you know learning to navigate that path yourself.

[00:30:47] Yeah.

[00:30:48] To handle all that kind of emotional stress and that really requires a big deal so I would say like from all of this my takeaway is like if you are fearless and you continue believing in yourself things will get better.

[00:31:05] Eventually everything will fall in place just continue believing in yourself.

[00:31:10] In yourself which is a big words actually and I think it has a bigger meaning and value as you even do it you know.

[00:31:20] So just coming to your entrepreneurship and your ventures now so much that you have doubled in life you know.

[00:31:34] From coke corporate life to then getting into one adventure and now second time adventure with the entrepreneurship just take me through your decisions and also take me through that what has really worked for you.

[00:31:49] So I think one is consistency and you know trying to always be independent and not build your independence based on others it should be yours.

[00:32:02] Because your failure will be yours your win will be yours.

[00:32:07] So when I opened travel because I didn't know anything apart from you know selling coke but I traveled a lot so I knew that my niche I was a good event planner so because I was the only girl in a big team of boys in coke.

[00:32:22] I used to plan all the outings and events and anything so I developed that's the niche that I can start working on.

[00:32:29] I didn't know whether it will fail or it will work and I opened my travel form today it's standing strong at nine years.

[00:32:37] I do it at my comfort space because I will take a five queries do it very well so that those five queries come back to me next time.

[00:32:45] And plus add-ons and yesterday my because my son's are I think they are quite old one is in 12th and the other is in 8th.

[00:32:56] So they have given me enough time I wanted to have that thing that I would have to do.

[00:33:03] And for that big thing I think destiny had planned it. They put me to a beverage industry.

[00:33:09] Yeah back in the beverage. Where I started from and I'm really thankful because I think somewhere or the other the universe is closing the 360 degree circle for me.

[00:33:19] I had never in my dream also thought that you know I would enter the T world.

[00:33:27] Tell me about it again one of a very you know sort of a nascent industry I would still say of course there are many players and he has been around but the kind of work and the specialization and the fitness with which you're doing it.

[00:33:40] How are you building it up and what is really working for you?

[00:33:44] So there are two things that really work well one is when you have your own tea blending unit.

[00:33:51] And then you know the tea very well. So I didn't have either. So initially three years back and I had my share of false where you know people quoted me anything.

[00:34:05] People gave me anything. The green tea quality is up but what the yeah, the third grade quality. Then I started studying tea.

[00:34:13] And when I studied tea, I started knowing the nuances. So training or upscaling key and I have cleared five papers and other three papers before I enter into the tea sommelier.

[00:34:25] So I'm doing a executive course for tea. And from the online sector of tea institute out of Canada, from Toronto.

[00:34:38] So you become a qualified tea sommelier.

[00:34:42] And then I pass my eighth paper with blind cupping. So blind cupping is where you give in teas and you have to identify without the names written on it, what are the teas?

[00:34:52] What is the flavor which country does it belong to? So that is how it is done.

[00:34:57] And I started studying tea and in between all the ups and downs, I started making my own core team of tea blenders.

[00:35:07] And today we're building a tea unit in Pune.

[00:35:11] Oh wow.

[00:35:12] And I think 15th April it should be up and running.

[00:35:16] And today I have the best people who trust me. So they're bigger brands than me, there are richer brands than me but the kind of products that I have developed and I have helped them up skill their skills also because they were already tea blenders but I rejected their teas.

[00:35:34] I said this is not going to work in the market. This is also sold and this is also sold. Why will someone come to tea?

[00:35:40] So that is how they have also collaborated because they've seen something in that.

[00:35:46] So product development has to be very strong.

[00:35:49] And your in-house infrastructure to develop that product because if you do not have that basic, basic structure, I'm not saying if you're required or a cause of factor you have to build that.

[00:35:59] A basic structure tea blending unit will require only a shed and a small room because the core of it otherwise you don't need anything but if you have it, you can blend it in front of you.

[00:36:11] You can show the sample so your product and your product development has to be very strong and that is my strength today.

[00:36:18] So even if I don't have a tea and if you tell me that you want a particular kind of tea, I have the team that can blend it.

[00:36:27] So all of my tea except the vintage collection, the kava, cutting and the masala tea because that has to be added in milk or just like black tea.

[00:36:36] I think I've created a tea blend which can be had cold and hot.

[00:36:41] So like the other day in the tea tasting session she was also there and we made that wood cutty.

[00:36:50] Now wood cut, I loved it.

[00:36:53] So wood cutty is a non-alcoholic version of tea.

[00:36:58] It is a tea blended with ingredients.

[00:37:01] Now initially we just in the first wood cutty was not that good because I was again I said I didn't know what was working on it.

[00:37:09] So infusions daldia unone but I said, no, as it may go so some friend of mine in a one of these clubs was drinking wood cutty based.

[00:37:21] I said there are some green, there are some chillies on it, there are some ginger, there are some oranges.

[00:37:30] I went back to Gleirin and I said what are you having? She said maghita.

[00:37:36] I said maghita if you want to make a tea with maghita.

[00:37:39] And we started doing what has gone inside maghita.

[00:37:45] And we blended that and hence you saw those chilli flakes and lemon tint and everything.

[00:37:50] So you can actually see the tea.

[00:37:52] And you can make it hot or cold.

[00:37:55] You love it either way.

[00:37:57] So each blend of mine apart from the three that I mentioned, you can have it hot or cold.

[00:38:03] Wow! I mean it's a must try for me.

[00:38:06] We have spoken so much about the tea.

[00:38:08] I was just like a chas.

[00:38:12] So more power and kudos to you because you are the women who lead, who inspire, who dream.

[00:38:18] And you know who kind of shows the way that if you can do it I'm sure we can do it too.

[00:38:23] So if you would like to invite someone who is an unstoppable human or would just want to have a conversation with me

[00:38:32] at unbound with mamta at gmail.com that is UNBOUNDWITH MAMTAA at gmail.com

[00:38:42] you can also follow my Instagram at the rate Mamta podcaster that is MAMTAA podcaster

[00:38:51] Alright we are back on unbound specials with two formidable women who are really leading the space

[00:39:00] their own dream they are living and the other ones who have dreamt it, dared it and achieved it.

[00:39:07] Welcoming you back continuing with the celebration with the theme of International Women's Day,

[00:39:13] women who dream, women who inspire and here we are all about inspiring inclusion, inspiring each other,

[00:39:19] being each other support, being each other ecosystem.

[00:39:23] So just continuing with that energy and zest again this is pretty much the last leg of the show which I call

[00:39:29] a rapid reflex round.

[00:39:34] Here I just throw at you a quick call of questions and I want your answers one after the other maybe I'll just cue you with my you know

[00:39:43] just like eye contact and in a word or maximum a sentence are you reading or the same.

[00:39:51] I'm sure.

[00:39:53] Alright starting from you never have you ever just complete this sentence for me.

[00:39:59] Dremt and not done.

[00:40:02] Oh never have you ever thought about failing alright life really what does it mean to you one word happiness

[00:40:13] all about enjoying it alright failure personally to you is another stepping stone to learning and always I think you know

[00:40:27] somewhere I can achieve more learning use every failure as a learning.

[00:40:34] Wow one book that you're currently reading if you are a reader yes I am so this is the big little things

[00:40:42] and I am really liking it.

[00:40:44] So don't laugh girls I have started reading Mahabharat.

[00:40:49] Oh I have learnt that Krishna's lessons were really nice and they still play a role in your entrepreneurial journey or any life that you have.

[00:41:01] I agree.

[00:41:03] Joy to you is.

[00:41:05] Smiling always.

[00:41:07] Traveling and brewing tea.

[00:41:11] Wow.

[00:41:13] That's it.

[00:41:15] Entrepreneurship to you is entrepreneurship is a beautiful journey yet lonely but when you win it you own it.

[00:41:27] For now it's life for me.

[00:41:30] Yeah entrepreneurship is life for you.

[00:41:32] Success in one word how would you define it when you feel that you have achieved what you wanted.

[00:41:41] Super is temporary wow such controlling answers super the wind under your wing is my family my kids my kids.

[00:41:56] They have grown up to the person or to the people I always thought of making it.

[00:42:03] So that's kind of for the infusing you to go take a flight just take your flight wow how would you want my husband and my sister interesting one go to place for you on this earth like no brainer.

[00:42:18] I never get bored out of it.

[00:42:22] I can do a number of times yeah I'll go yes yes yes now but I have to know one is good new city and now that we have and one I feel very powerful when I go to come up here.

[00:42:37] Oh wow very interesting yeah very very interesting one thing you want to just leave our women our viewer who are watching here.

[00:42:47] Just one thought maybe an inspiring code or maybe you know just one thought you want to leave everyone here with today.

[00:42:55] Just don't dream dream with your open eyes and pursue your dreams no matter you fail but at least you will not have a regret that you never tried.

[00:43:07] How beautiful be fearless and create your own path doesn't matter if it has already been traveled or not be fearless about creating your own path following it and believing in it.

[00:43:21] Wow I think with that both of you have truly come on bound on this episode of Unbound Special.

[00:43:31] I am really grateful thankful to each of you to being so unabashed to being who you are to really standing that tall and strong and really kind of filling us all so with that energy that yes yeah I'm

[00:43:45] here so much for grazing the show and to more part together. So let's keep on bounding together can we say that all of us into the mic this is just like a sign offline let's keep on bounding together.

[00:44:02] Thank you so much for tuning into this episode and for all the episodes you can come back to Unbound with Mamta now available on 20 plus audio streaming platforms Spotify Amazon

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