TCN- Story of Lachit Borphukan and the Ahom Kingdom- Nilutpal Gohain

00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the chicken leg podcast supported by the idea of Zeus network. We are a bunch of curious individuals based out of the Northeast and we strive to bring you the best of policy discussions through the intersection things that affect your and our daily lives if you like. What we do show your support by sharing our work. 00:00:18 Speaker 1: Don't forget to leave your comments on this episode in our social media hands 00:00:23 Speaker 2: To our listeners tuning in. Welcome to the 2nd season of the chicken neck podcast. 00:00:28 Speaker 2: In our first episode. Today we have with us Mr Nyland paul go hye, who is the author of the book, The Legend of login, Perfect 00:00:35 Speaker 2: and who is also serving as the assistant register of cooperative societies with the government of Islam. 00:00:41 Speaker 2: We'll be discussing his book and also the life and stories of Latinos with 00:00:46 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. 00:00:47 Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you for having me neal 00:00:50 Speaker 3: and it's my privilege to be in the soft. Thank you. 00:00:53 Speaker 2: So, first of all, you know, as we discuss a lot of things about Las Con who's an icon for the Northeastern states. What was your inspiration behind writing such a book and you know, are there any special anecdotes that you would like to share with us that you experienced while writing the book? 00:01:11 Speaker 3: Well, this book happened by chance. I'm basically someone who writes dark fiction, queller, horror, all those kind of stuff. 00:01:20 Speaker 3: So once what happened, I was on a field trip to utter Guwahati, what is the the other side of the brahmaputra from Guwahati. 00:01:31 Speaker 3: So while going there on the way I saw school 00:01:37 Speaker 3: where it was written as legit gore 00:01:41 Speaker 3: english medium school. 00:01:44 Speaker 3: However, as we know gore in as means means a rampart, there was no proper rampart or anything in that place. So basically there was a rampart in olden days but that has been you know, destroyed or demolished. And the school has come up. 00:02:01 Speaker 3: So it got me thinking that you know, the assam history is so rich but it has not been properly documented. 00:02:09 Speaker 3: So I came back home and I started researching on it and when I got some solid material on on Logic Barbeque and I thought no, I have to write this book. 00:02:20 Speaker 3: I got in touch with my literary agent Suhel Matter and I pitched him the idea, 00:02:24 Speaker 3: he said yes, go ahead, let's let's do this. And he pitched it to a few publishers and even movie producers. So after about a week he called me back and he said 00:02:40 Speaker 3: one movie deal and one publishing deal. I was I was very happy at that point of time. 00:02:45 Speaker 3: So they gave me six months to complete the book for the in those six months, I did the research and and the book as well. It went on in a simultaneous way. And after six months I completed and submitted the book. So the that's the basic journey of the book. 00:03:04 Speaker 1: It's interesting you speak about your journey by, you know, starting the book just while you were traveling to the other part of So, it's a lot of people traveled to that part. Not everybody, you know, start with the idea of writing a book. 00:03:18 Speaker 1: Uh But as you said that you took six months towards writing the book. And one question that we were very interested in asking you was how difficult was it for you to find resources to write the book? Because even though your book, when we went through it, we realized that even though it is specifically, you know, 00:03:38 Speaker 1: and of course talks about in a lot of places, but it also gives a very good historical account of the times during that, you know, period during wars, during discussions between them how assam was divided into different sections, which we will of course discuss throughout the episode today. But tell us about your process of writing the book. Was it easy for you to get the resources? Did you have to translate a lot of stuff? So, how was that 00:04:04 Speaker 3: about? That's a very good question actually. What happened? I was lucky, so to say, 00:04:12 Speaker 3: because I met right people at the right time, 00:04:15 Speaker 3: one of a very eminent historian of assam dr rajan Sekiya. I approached him and I said, sir, I'm writing a book on, do you have any material? 00:04:27 Speaker 3: He's told me that to write a book on legit. You have to read a few other books as well. For example, the life history of Aton borrego's High, 00:04:35 Speaker 3: he was the bull ago in those times. Then he gave me 23 books of assam history. He gave me a book which had you know, all the dialogues between the kings and and the centuries and and the envoys. All the dialogues were written in those in that book. 00:04:54 Speaker 3: Even the what to say the treaties have been written in those books. 00:05:00 Speaker 3: And then he gave me one important book which had, it's the original is the Chronicle, Home Chronicle. 00:05:08 Speaker 3: So all these books I took about two months to read and formulate a proper story. 00:05:13 Speaker 3: You know, I took a few things from one book, few things from the other book and the basic story was structured from the book called La khan and His times by Sujatha Kumar bologna. It is the, it is one of the oldest and the best documented life history of. 00:05:30 Speaker 3: But again it's a history book, so it's not that entertaining and you know, it reads like a history book. So I wanted to make it entertaining as well as you know, interesting. So uh I did fictionalize a few things but the facts are saying the facts remain the same 00:05:47 Speaker 3: but you know you have to visualize and and write this story. So the only visualization part I did 00:05:54 Speaker 3: but the device, it's all fact 00:05:56 Speaker 3: and secondly one thing I struggled a lot is about the social history of those times. 00:06:01 Speaker 3: We have the political history documented in in the chronicles but the social fabric, the people, the demography, the architecture. It's not it has not been properly documented. So I struggled with that part of it. 00:06:16 Speaker 3: But then with Mir Jumla one traveler came called, he documented a proper you know, social history of those times. So from that part I took the social history and some of the help I got from 00:06:34 Speaker 3: a few history professors 00:06:37 Speaker 3: who gave me some insight. 00:06:39 Speaker 3: So that that was the whole process. And yes, I had to translate the dialogues. 00:06:45 Speaker 3: I I said that that there was a book on dialogues. I had to translate those dialogues and it took me some effort because you know those days there's mrs quite tough. 00:06:57 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 00:06:58 Speaker 3: Not translating that Asthma is into english. First of all I had to learn what that? S means word meant. 00:07:07 Speaker 3: I'll just give you an example there there was a word called 00:07:14 Speaker 3: so I had to search for what is most you and then I asked a few people, I went through a few dictionaries and then finally I finally found the world messiah is like the plot we put at the bottom while sitting So that is most. So I had to struggle in only that part. Otherwise 00:07:32 Speaker 3: every information was rebuilt in the books and 00:07:35 Speaker 3: that helped me a lot in writing the history 00:07:38 Speaker 3: and I visited the places as well. Most of the places are in utter Guwahati and in nearby area. So all these places I visited that gave me a good insight. 00:07:53 Speaker 2: You know it's really interesting that you covered so many things in your book and you traced all of these things from so many sources especially that you know the fact that you took into account these chronicles and these historic literature that perfectly grasped the interactions that happened during those times. 00:08:11 Speaker 2: And as you pointed out that you know you've fictionalized it a bit as well but there are the facts that are still there that are constant in your book as well. So you know when you were going through this literature what were the kind of stories surrounding the and the dynasty because you as you pointed out you did not only read up on but you read up on characters who were there with him during that time and the interactions that other people are having. So what was certain characteristics or traits that you remember or you admired when you were going through the literature? 00:08:48 Speaker 3: Yeah the first and foremost characteristic or or the quality of legit Barbican which I admire a lot is the leadership quality. He was a true leader. 00:08:58 Speaker 3: Ah 00:08:59 Speaker 3: He was if you you've read the book I'm sure you've got the point where the battle of Saratoga what happens 00:09:08 Speaker 3: at that point of time? If you have read it, you have seen that he was very ill, 00:09:13 Speaker 3: he was extremely ill 00:09:14 Speaker 3: but even then just to lead the army he got up and he led the army in the battle and he won the battle. 00:09:22 Speaker 3: If he would not have appeared himself, he would not have appeared himself in the battlefield. There were, there were high chances that 00:09:32 Speaker 3: the homes would have lost the battle. 00:09:34 Speaker 3: So that was one quality which I really appreciate. And then secondly 00:09:42 Speaker 3: that character is very important in the, in home history because his strategy of, you know, uh his war strategy was very unique, 00:09:55 Speaker 3: so to say, 00:09:56 Speaker 3: because he, what he did, he is that he 00:10:00 Speaker 3: utilize the geography of the region 00:10:03 Speaker 3: to defeat the Mongols in the, in their own territory. And secondly, he he was the driving force behind slash it's, you know, at that point, at some point of time lock, it would lose his morale and he would be the one who would drive him to or motivate him to get up again. 00:10:23 Speaker 3: So 00:10:24 Speaker 3: I admire that character also a lot of 00:10:28 Speaker 3: and secondly, um hmm, 00:10:31 Speaker 3: during those days the, the, 00:10:34 Speaker 3: the feeling of patriotism was very high, 00:10:37 Speaker 3: People didn't think much to, you know, sacrifice their lives 00:10:43 Speaker 3: for for the motherland. And in fact 00:10:47 Speaker 3: there is one very beautiful line which we all asked me to admire is that the my uncle is not bigger than my country. So that is that is that one single line only signifies the kind of passion, 00:11:04 Speaker 3: the homes and the asthma's head for their motherland 00:11:09 Speaker 2: and you know, that that is one of the main essence of your book, like when we were going through your book, what was really interesting is the fact that you not only managed to capture legit because over the years we've seen attempts to capture legit 00:11:25 Speaker 2: in the, in books, but you have also managed to capture the interactions that he had the characters that molded his entire life right from his entry into the army, to the people he confided in, other people who he, you know, he worked with. 00:11:42 Speaker 2: So this gave us a sense of his character and also of the social structure and the way people 00:11:48 Speaker 2: lived during those times. So, you know, how did his interactions as you already pointed out that it was very important? Autumn borrego's role was very important in Lockett's life and his life as a warrior. So how did these interactions influence the entire battle of Saratoga? 00:12:04 Speaker 2: You know, people who were in and around how did they help or you know, they contribute to the build up of the battle of Saratoga. 00:12:11 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 00:12:12 Speaker 3: Well, each and every character has an important role to play in some places. You'll see even the insignificant character has, you know, um 00:12:24 Speaker 3: created a lot of impact in the battle. For example. There is one character called Pelon Falcon, he aspired to be the border con but he couldn't because logic got the post. So somehow he was, you know, having a Cold war with Russia during the whole war, but 00:12:45 Speaker 3: when the final moment came and when he had to you know perform for the country, he he gave up all those aspirations. He and he went behind uh and he fought for the country 00:12:57 Speaker 3: secondly there is another character I've mentioned it in a small bit called the Bag Hazarika, if you have read it back to America's character is a disputed character but you know people have not denied his presence. But there have been instances where 00:13:15 Speaker 3: they have said that there there was no character, some of the people, some of the you know factions of the people they say there is no character called but 00:13:24 Speaker 3: historians, they don't outrightly deny that there was no character but his role was very significant. They don't agree to them. So even even if Baghdad Orica character is there, if he agreed to that 00:13:40 Speaker 3: his title, Hajj America is not a very high up title. It's it's like uh you know leader of 1000 centuries or thousands soldiers. 00:13:53 Speaker 3: So uh Hazarika title is 4000 soldiers. So if we consider that, then we can say that even even if there is one small instance where he you know fills up the cannonballs cannons off of the moguls with water. That small instance has helped a lot in, you know 00:14:14 Speaker 3: um in in in the first assault which the moguls tried to do with with the moguls um try to attack the homes and gain gain the territories. So America's character is also important 00:14:31 Speaker 3: then, uh 00:14:32 Speaker 3: obviously single. And in fact, while shaping his life, I'd say his father, my family, Barber was role was very important because he had seen his father how he manages 00:14:51 Speaker 3: the affairs of the state and how he, 00:14:54 Speaker 3: how he, you know, performed as Barbara because Barbara and the whole, this thing, 00:15:03 Speaker 3: the title were the same during the 1st 1st half of the book. Later the Barbacoa title came. So Barbara was titled, It was very important, bobo's role was important. And he had seen while growing up how his father performed in the court and in the affairs of the state. So that shaped his life a lot. 00:15:23 Speaker 3: So his father's role and those are the main characters which have shaped the whole history 00:15:30 Speaker 3: during those things. 00:15:32 Speaker 2: And and for all of us, I think that was the most interesting, one of the most interesting angles of the book, where we got to know about characters which we wouldn't have come across quite easily in other parts of literature. And you also pointed out that there were others other contemporaries during the era who were also interested in getting this same 00:15:53 Speaker 2: position that he was. But you know, so could you take us through the rise of in the Home Army, his journey from his entry to the army to how he eventually became the leader. He's known. 00:16:07 Speaker 3: Okay, well, let's get started office Dora. 00:16:14 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, 00:16:18 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, 00:16:19 Speaker 3: I probably missed it. Just yeah, he, it was like uh, the personal secretary. 00:16:26 Speaker 3: Okay, the post was like personal secretary. He was the personal secretary of the, of his father and he used to attend all those special meetings and all which his father attended as, as his father's personal secretary. Then he was, he was given various other posts. Also. Later he was given the post of Surabaya, 00:16:46 Speaker 3: the custodian of Royals stable. 00:16:50 Speaker 3: And there is one instance in the book where um, disorganized appreciates his um 00:16:58 Speaker 3: ability as the, because uh, so what they'll say is that, you know, if Laci to steam the horse then 00:17:08 Speaker 3: the while riding the horse, it feels like I'm riding on an appellant queen. 00:17:13 Speaker 3: So that is one instance where his capability or the ability as a leader. It comes out then later he was given the post of uh, african 00:17:27 Speaker 3: stimulatory. African is a, you know, frontier officer. Simon Luger was one of the frontier of the album kingdom. He was the custodian of the fourth 00:17:38 Speaker 3: and then later he was given the post of, was the post off from 00:17:45 Speaker 3: the uh 00:17:47 Speaker 3: chief 00:17:48 Speaker 3: uh security officer 00:17:51 Speaker 3: of, of taking. 00:17:54 Speaker 3: So while he was the, he was promoted to, 00:18:00 Speaker 3: so later he was, he came to be known as la 00:18:06 Speaker 2: uh, and that that really presents an interesting way in which he progressed through the ranks and I think that was we, I think that was one of the reasons where he, why he was such a well 00:18:17 Speaker 2: aware journal because he had seen it all right from having dealt with horses to being in charge of a fort. You know one thing that you have pointed out a while back was that when you visited the places, most of these places were in and around or which are 00:18:38 Speaker 2: places that are still there in Guwahati. So, and you've also dedicated a very specific chapter chapter to the importance of Guwahati in the battle of where the album generals are seen having a strategic meeting as for the course of action. So tell us a bit about the importance of Guwahati for homes in there and you know in their attempts to protect their kingdom and how they used since the homes were also known for using the geographical 00:19:06 Speaker 2: situations to their advantage. How did they use the geographical situations back then to their advantage against the mighty moguls? 00:19:13 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 00:19:14 Speaker 3: Well the geography of Guwahati is very unique. 00:19:18 Speaker 3: The Guwahati the the north bank of the south bank of Guwahati of the river brahmaputra is uh 00:19:27 Speaker 3: hills in both the sides, right from in the north bank, right from Kurosawa to accurately migratory. 00:19:35 Speaker 3: Uh sorry all the whole stretch of that bank is filled is completely uh straight line of hills I would say. 00:19:47 Speaker 3: And in the south bank it would be from casual gun or casually in those days to hills. It's all hills. 00:19:57 Speaker 3: So 00:19:58 Speaker 3: if somebody comes through the river 00:20:03 Speaker 3: and he plans to attack on both the banks. 00:20:07 Speaker 3: The people who are sitting at the bank would have a upper edge because they would be sitting at a heightened attacking the army 00:20:14 Speaker 3: attacking the enemy. So ah it would be like you know fighting a war sitting in your own home 00:20:23 Speaker 3: and and the one who is coming through the river would have limited supply of emanation, limited supply of men 00:20:32 Speaker 3: because he'll be carrying all these things on the boat. So that was the main idea behind you know um 00:20:40 Speaker 3: behind you know fighting the war on the river brahmaputra, they didn't allow the buggles to enter the lands. It was always a war war on the water at a few strategic places they tried to enter through through some opening or some you know, breaches on on the ramparts that were built during those days 00:21:01 Speaker 3: but they were unsuccessful. 00:21:03 Speaker 3: So basically they were not allowed inside. They had to use the river route only to fight the arms. So and the main strategy of you know, uh fighting the moguls was too, you know, 00:21:23 Speaker 3: guard this whole these two impregnable walls of hills 00:21:27 Speaker 3: by keeping equal amounts of soldiers and leaders at regular intervals so that 00:21:34 Speaker 3: even if they plan to, you know, attack some point some 00:21:40 Speaker 3: at a particular place there will be enough soldiers and a leader, do you know what that 00:21:46 Speaker 3: attack. So they tried at various places to enter. They utilized various strategies to enter but they couldn't 00:21:54 Speaker 3: and that was all because of the strategy used by A I. And 00:22:02 Speaker 1: is interesting because I was going through this chapter on Guwahati and you you Titley there's the impregnable, impregnable Guwahati. So is it because it was never captured? I'm assuming it was because it was never captured. 00:22:17 Speaker 1: But also what I found very interesting about your description of Guwahati and the historical accounts was the fact that in Guwahati the albums followed a very mobile structure. You for instance, you say that they had this entire the system like the mogul structure. Then you talk about the appointment of various people in a in a like 00:22:39 Speaker 1: similar to what let's say in today's government would have in a very strategic location. For instance, you talk about 00:22:47 Speaker 1: in detail. So he was somebody who was there. You talked about the whole busses the soldiers, specially trained soldiers who were there. So while I think I just wanted and I say this in detail because while we look into upper assam for instance, if we look into, we see a lot of 00:23:04 Speaker 1: monuments that were built by their homes. Whereas Guwahati looked like a more strategic 00:23:09 Speaker 1: import of more strategic importance to the home. So so tell me a bit about that. Is it, is it I mean what I said, does it make sense? And have I got been able to get a jest of your arguments in the book on that chapter. 00:23:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Well, you have rightly pointed out that in upper assam, there are still monuments of our homes, 13 in Guwahati or lower assam, 00:23:33 Speaker 3: there are very few. 00:23:34 Speaker 3: Well, some of the monuments are still there, some of the temples are there, but you know, the kind of 00:23:42 Speaker 3: preservation that could have been done, it was not done properly. For example, recently there has been a bungalow inaugurated at that particular place where legit fought the war of the battle of Saratoga. 00:23:56 Speaker 3: So that that is a very, that is actually ejaculate that places ejaculate. 00:24:02 Speaker 3: So 00:24:03 Speaker 3: that could have been preserved. Well, 00:24:05 Speaker 3: right, this government has thought about it and they have preserved preserved that bungalow, but if somebody would have thought before and they would have thought of, you know, preserving that particular vote which was built in those times, it would have been a much better thing 00:24:23 Speaker 3: similarly. Um 00:24:25 Speaker 3: And yeah, the difference of governance, I would say because 00:24:29 Speaker 3: uh 00:24:31 Speaker 3: Guwahati had been, you know, transferred to moguls a few times. 00:24:37 Speaker 3: So 00:24:38 Speaker 3: the kind of governance which was happening in Guwahati was different from the kind of governance that was happening happening in upper assam 00:24:46 Speaker 3: and and the proper fabric or the proper, you know, strategy that was, that was used while governing this lower assam was taken from the moguls. 00:24:59 Speaker 3: So they didn't want to disturb that, you know, that 00:25:03 Speaker 3: setting that was during those times and this, they thought of taking over that 00:25:09 Speaker 3: particular system of governance. 00:25:13 Speaker 3: So it was in fact a better move than you know, changing the whole system. 00:25:21 Speaker 3: So that's that's what I think 00:25:24 Speaker 1: I think for our listeners because you mentioned about the bungalow that was recently inaugurated. So could you tell us the name of the bungalow? 00:25:31 Speaker 3: So it's it's uh um Mohammed Patrol River Heritage Center. It was the old dc bungalow and now they have converted into a heritage center because 00:25:44 Speaker 3: it's a very old structure. It's from the british era. So they have thought of preserving it and keeping it in a form that people would love to visit and see that area. 00:25:55 Speaker 3: That's a beautiful. 00:25:56 Speaker 1: I wanted you to mention this because you know, while we are seriously talking about last night very, I think something very memorable for you I assume was the fact that you had recently, you know, put up this your book, you had had a book signing session on that particular. 00:26:12 Speaker 1: You know, so I think it's it's like a full circle, 00:26:15 Speaker 3: it was a book reading and book signing session and 00:26:18 Speaker 3: it was only a syllabus 00:26:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, therefore I wanted you to mention that specifically but you know, coming back to our discussion while we discuss lasted and we discussed the glory of the home. You know kingdom. We see a lot of times that the reach of the kingdom has not been on the glorifying identification of the kingdom has not been at par with let's say what the large puts 00:26:46 Speaker 1: or any other kingdom in India or in pan India population they know of the home does not really count in the top five, top six dynasties that are popular in spite of the continued resistance to the mughal rule or to some extent even the britishers at a later stage. So do you think that for for at least for Northeast because 00:27:06 Speaker 1: other than homes, there were a lot of other dynasties which people don't even know of whereas they had their own moments of glory. So do you think that there is a need for the historians, specifically from this region too 00:27:18 Speaker 1: right, more extensively and vigorously about the iconic characters like you mentioned, it does not have to be historical uh you know, portrayal of a scenario itself. Sometimes it can take the form of history plus storytelling so that it reaches out to more and more audience around the 00:27:36 Speaker 1: country and beyond. So do you think there's a need for that 00:27:39 Speaker 1: and a serious rather and a great time because now that there's this, you know, whether we believe it or not, whether we agree or not, there's this serious, I think rethinking of indian history. So do you think this is the correct time for us to posture that storytelling of Northeastern 00:27:55 Speaker 1: history? Obviously 00:27:56 Speaker 3: obviously I truly believe that, you know, 00:27:59 Speaker 3: the naughtiest reason has been neglected until now and 00:28:04 Speaker 3: by the historians for the reasons best known to them. they could have easily inducted the history of the notice because notice has been an integral part of India. 00:28:14 Speaker 3: However, yes, I truly believe that this is the correct time. In fact, let me tell you, there have been, you know, developments in this scenario, very big publishing house has approached me to write a comprehensive history on the noticed. Well, it's a very big project. I'm thinking about it if I'd like to take it or not. 00:28:36 Speaker 3: But and being being, I'm I'm not a history of right to to do justice to this book would need a huge amount of research 00:28:46 Speaker 3: and and the mindset to be a history. And so I'm really thinking about it if I like I like to take the project or not. However, there have been, yes, there are many other characters about whom we can write. There are many other characters in the whole of noticed who deserve attention. 00:29:05 Speaker 3: For example, 00:29:07 Speaker 3: if we 00:29:08 Speaker 3: talk about t the name of monogrammed Taiwan is synonymous. 50 he's the, he was the first person to bring tea to India. Similarly, if we mentioned about Bhagat Singh, if he mentioned about Cody Rambos and all the freedom fighters, 00:29:28 Speaker 3: I truly believe that the name of and uh and uh all these names also deserve a place among those. 00:29:39 Speaker 3: Similarly, we talked about Julia Vala back, 00:29:42 Speaker 3: but we don't talk about, we don't talk about all those places events. 00:29:49 Speaker 3: So 00:29:50 Speaker 3: this history, the history of the naughtiest Should have been you know in in an integral part of the study curriculum as well. And I truly believe that in the days to come there will be more people who would write about the history of the Notice in the story from in a fiction, fictional or fictionalized way so that people take it up and read it. 00:30:15 Speaker 3: And I truly believe good days are coming. 00:30:20 Speaker 3: You 00:30:20 Speaker 1: know, I think you in a way also answer something that I had a follow up as uh as a follow up to the question that I asked as to what you know because there's a lot of discussion recently as to the chapters that should be added to N. C. R. D. And other coast curriculum from Northeastern needs to be more representation of the region. And I think the the areas and the issues that you pointed out are certainly something that 00:30:42 Speaker 1: the N. C. R. T. Can look into in the curriculum so that students have a fair idea of the of the region. In addition to, you know, reading books about the region at the latest stage in their lives. 00:30:53 Speaker 3: Obviously obviously because you know if we can write about the large ports, the moguls, the rulers of Bengal, we can write about the cola charlotte Kia's pandas pandas, every state or every part is you know covered in those curriculums but not noticed. Why why is that discrepancy. It should not happen 00:31:16 Speaker 3: at least the chapter in the on the history of the notice should have been inducted, if they have not inducted until now, they should have, should do it. And and uh I've mentioned it in them in my book as well. There are strategic places where the mention of Logic Barbican has been there, 00:31:36 Speaker 3: you know, the 00:31:38 Speaker 3: the best cadets medal for I think I N A. Is given in the name of so uh 00:31:47 Speaker 3: a few places where he deserves attention. They have given him the attention and the respect 00:31:53 Speaker 3: however, in in the mass form or in the, you know, in the eyes of the public 00:32:01 Speaker 3: dimension is not proper 00:32:03 Speaker 3: and what I feel because a lot of, you know, comments or reviews which I have received after writing this book is that people have said thank you for introducing us to lock it before 00:32:16 Speaker 3: it should not have happened. 00:32:18 Speaker 3: They would not say thank you for introducing us to Mahatma Gandhi, your magazine, 00:32:23 Speaker 3: right, so that it paints. But you know, we have to uh there's still time we can, you know, put all our glory forward and I request other authors to come up with good stories on the history of the noticed 00:32:42 Speaker 1: No, I think you're absolutely right and even for our modern indian history, you know, when we let's say and let's say when we talk about Patel and his role in integration and unification of India, I think equally important is the role of 00:32:56 Speaker 1: you know, if somebody like 00:32:58 Speaker 1: our first chief minister or other prime minister. So go peanut brittle is rolling unification of this region. So I think the stories need to be told and I think one another issue is and obviously you know when Lassiter is referred to as of the east or something, it's not as if you know the comparison is good. I think they're both 00:33:17 Speaker 1: iconic characters and their own stand and needs to be left alone. So I think that will only happen if the stories are 00:33:23 Speaker 1: likely put to the audience and 00:33:26 Speaker 3: this is one of 00:33:27 Speaker 1: the this is 00:33:28 Speaker 3: one of the reasons why I wrote this book. One of the book that is available in the market on legit the title itself says the contemporary of Sivaji in assam. 00:33:41 Speaker 3: So that should not have been there. The compassion should not have been there Shivaji shivaji. Yes, we really appreciate his you know, failure and sacrifice and the things he had done for Maharashtra. 00:33:52 Speaker 3: We also deserve that same attention. We do not need that compassion. Right? 00:34:00 Speaker 1: I mean they're they're their own self made heroes in their own rights. I think we should just leave them there where they are. But you know, coming to a more lighter note, your book has been very successful. A lot of people including us appreciate the fact that you wrote on but I think it is also equally as you mentioned at the beginning of the podcast is that it has been now in the process of adoption into a movie, 00:34:21 Speaker 1: it's going to be valued movie, we assume. So tell us a bit about that. 00:34:26 Speaker 3: Well it has been acquired for adaptation on screen. So uh we assume it to be a movie and uh till now I've spoken to the previously has said I'll try to make it in a movie, 00:34:39 Speaker 3: but there is every possibility that it can be made into a web series. Also the movie is there, then they might make it into a web series also because they have taken the exclusive rights of the book. The producers are the producers of gangs of possible. 00:35:00 Speaker 3: Um they are known as the Almighty Motion Picture. Uh it's a wing of the bora brothers bora brothers have been in this business for a long, long time. 00:35:08 Speaker 3: And Sunil bora, one of the, he has uh you know, established a company called the Almighty Motion Picture Production House and they have acquired the book 00:35:19 Speaker 3: and uh probably in about 23 years we'll see in the big screen 00:35:28 Speaker 3: with a few big names as actors 00:35:32 Speaker 3: and fingers crossed. Let's see 00:35:34 Speaker 3: what comes up. 00:35:37 Speaker 1: I think we really look forward to this. And on that note, we also thank you for you know, joining our podcast and speaking to us about this very significant iconic character of not only a samba India, I think it's not everyday that you see that bureaucrat gets time to, you know, to write a book and that to such a successful book. That helps not only the audience who read the book, 00:36:00 Speaker 1: but everyone I think to know about the character has been so iconic to to the entire nation. So thank you all for joining us. We wish you luck and we hope that you write more history and more such books which give us the knowledge of our past. 00:36:14 Speaker 3: Thank you. Thanks a lot. And I have been listening to chicken neck podcast. I've listened to a few episodes in your 00:36:21 Speaker 3: first season. Um you've you've been doing a great work for the region for notice and I wish you all the best for your future endeavors as well. And thank you for having me here today. Thank you. Thanks a lot.