Interview With "Expats" Star Sarayu Blue

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[00:01:02] We took it all.

[00:01:09] We brought them to this night, amber hot and icy cold, the rage of the earth.

[00:01:19] We made this curse.

[00:01:20] Carved it in the blood on our backs.

[00:01:24] We did not see.

[00:01:26] We could not, but she did.

[00:01:27] And in the end...

[00:01:28] What will I become?

[00:01:29] Senua's Saga, Hellblade 2.

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[00:01:36] You are listening to the Next Best Picture podcast and this is Nadia Dalamontes interview

[00:01:41] with one of the stars from the Amazon Prime video hit show X-Bots, Sara You Blue.

[00:01:46] I just sometimes want to be alone where I'm not somebody's wife, not somebody's mother.

[00:01:54] I'm not defined by tragedy.

[00:02:04] Don't you ever miss it?

[00:02:05] Home?

[00:02:06] I like our life here.

[00:02:07] The help that drives us and makes everything easier.

[00:02:13] I see his family.

[00:02:15] You know, you always say that, right?

[00:02:18] You're her employer, not her friend.

[00:02:21] You know, Hong Kong was supposed to be a fresh start for me.

[00:02:26] A fresh start, really?

[00:02:28] At 24?

[00:02:30] I think my marriage is over.

[00:02:34] Has David been home?

[00:02:35] No, ma'am.

[00:02:36] What am I still doing here?

[00:02:38] Do you ever imagine yourself living a completely different life?

[00:02:43] You're just watching them every second, even when your eyes are closed.

[00:02:57] And I have no idea how it happened.

[00:03:00] Hi, Sara You.

[00:03:01] Hi!

[00:03:02] I'm Nadia with Next Best Picture.

[00:03:05] It's good to meet you.

[00:03:06] Good to meet you too.

[00:03:07] Welcome to our Next Best Series podcast.

[00:03:09] How's your day going?

[00:03:10] It's going great, thank you.

[00:03:12] How about yours?

[00:03:13] It's going good.

[00:03:14] Good.

[00:03:15] Nice to see you.

[00:03:16] It's really lovely to meet you as well.

[00:03:17] And thank you so much.

[00:03:18] I'm really excited to talk about Ex-Past with you.

[00:03:21] This fantastic limited series created and directed by Lulu Wang,

[00:03:26] who also directed one of my favorite films, The Farewell, just a couple of years ago.

[00:03:31] And I think Ex-Past is such a tremendous example of how beautifully her storytelling reflects

[00:03:38] and echoes real life with so many resonant themes on identity and womanhood,

[00:03:43] among so many other subjects.

[00:03:45] And when I think about the show, my mind immediately goes to your character, Hilary Starr.

[00:03:50] I think you so brilliantly let us in to this woman's inner conflict

[00:03:58] and all of the complex emotional journeys that she's going through

[00:04:02] and all beneath this kind of very tailored surface.

[00:04:05] And I want us to just start by saying congratulations on this series

[00:04:08] and thank you for the work that you do.

[00:04:10] Your performance was so moving to watch and it was just fantastic.

[00:04:14] Well, I can't say enough how meaningful that is

[00:04:17] because I think Hilary was one of those characters that you just dream of,

[00:04:21] you know, for like most of your existence.

[00:04:23] And I think particularly as a woman of color,

[00:04:26] these opportunities feel really, really few and far between.

[00:04:30] And obviously there's so much that's changed and grown, which is so exciting to see.

[00:04:35] And still, I think it's really rare and unique for a woman to get to play this level of character

[00:04:44] with this level of depth and nuance and story, so much story, you know?

[00:04:50] And I am so aware of the gift that that was

[00:04:52] and the fact that it resonated is just a dream come true, truly.

[00:04:57] Yeah, it really is a wonderful opportunity.

[00:05:00] And I'm wondering, how did this project come your way?

[00:05:03] And what were you most looking forward to going into the filming process with this character?

[00:05:09] Honestly, it came to my way in a pretty typical fashion.

[00:05:13] I got an audition.

[00:05:14] I remember knowing pretty quickly just how exciting this was, you know?

[00:05:19] Just the sort of monumental level that this was going to be

[00:05:22] because we've got Lulu Wong, we've got Nicole Kidman.

[00:05:25] You know, we have Amazon who are willing to really invest in this show,

[00:05:28] which again is a rare and unique thing, unfortunately.

[00:05:32] And the fact that they invested with the passion that they did

[00:05:37] is part of why you have the show you have.

[00:05:39] I think when I first started to read it,

[00:05:42] mind you, I only got the sides at first.

[00:05:44] You know, we don't always get the full scripts.

[00:05:46] So even from the sides, I could tell, I was like,

[00:05:48] oh, this is meaty.

[00:05:51] You know, this is going to have some real, like something I can sink my teeth into.

[00:05:57] And I think even in the very early stages,

[00:06:00] I was aware just how exciting this could be.

[00:06:03] And so I just started to throw down from the get-go, really.

[00:06:06] I was wondering as well about the influence of Janice Y. Lee's book, Yes Patriots.

[00:06:14] Were you familiar with that text going in?

[00:06:16] And did you and Lulu talk about the literary adaptation of Hillary's character?

[00:06:22] We definitely talked about it.

[00:06:24] And I became aware of the book, I started to read it once I got the appointment

[00:06:28] because I wanted to really get as much information as I could,

[00:06:31] get as much backstory as I could.

[00:06:33] And it was helpful.

[00:06:35] But obviously, as we saw on the show,

[00:06:37] there's quite a departure Hillary's character takes.

[00:06:40] And I think that's a real testament to Janice and her willingness to say,

[00:06:44] let's play.

[00:06:45] We have a different medium here.

[00:06:47] So let's tell the story.

[00:06:49] Let's have the story be a part of it.

[00:06:51] But let's also feel free to take some liberties and make some choices.

[00:06:56] And that's where you have a Hillary that's South Asian.

[00:06:59] That's why you have a Hillary that has family and storyline

[00:07:04] and really who is delving into what it looks like to maybe not want to be a parent,

[00:07:10] to not want to be a mom.

[00:07:12] And what does that journey look like?

[00:07:14] And I think it's such a testament to Lulu and Janice

[00:07:17] that they were excited to sort of dig into Hillary

[00:07:20] and see where they could go with her.

[00:07:22] Yeah, speaking of that conversation around motherhood,

[00:07:24] one of the most powerful scenes in the show is the elevator scene,

[00:07:28] which is packed with so many different conversations going on there,

[00:07:33] including motherhood.

[00:07:35] And there's so much pressure on women to have kids

[00:07:38] and babies are seen as the glue, so to speak,

[00:07:41] to save marriages and to keep relationships intact.

[00:07:45] And it was especially powerful to watch that conversation play out

[00:07:50] between you and Sutta Butcher, who plays your mother.

[00:07:53] What was it like to work with her?

[00:07:55] And what was it like unpacking those mother-daughter dynamics

[00:08:00] with her in particular?

[00:08:02] Well, I think I'm probably Sutta's biggest fan.

[00:08:04] I mean, probably she has bigger fans than me, to be fair.

[00:08:07] But she really is iconic.

[00:08:11] Her abilities, her range, her authenticity that she brought to the role

[00:08:17] is so much of why that episode is what it is.

[00:08:21] And there's no work that I did that didn't come

[00:08:25] as a direct correlation to what she gave me, right?

[00:08:28] It's all energy.

[00:08:31] She is brilliant.

[00:08:33] I mean, she's on a whole other level.

[00:08:35] I really just am in awe of her.

[00:08:37] And I really learned even working with her.

[00:08:39] You grow when you work with actors like Sutta.

[00:08:42] And so I feel very lucky that I got that experience

[00:08:45] and I just hope to get to see her in anything and everything.

[00:08:48] Like literally, Hollywood, if you're listening to this,

[00:08:50] please cast her in everything.

[00:08:52] And I think in terms of unpacking the dynamics,

[00:08:55] it's so funny, but so much of it just happens.

[00:08:58] There are elements of this mother-daughter relationship

[00:09:00] that I think really are very relatable for a lot of us South Asian women.

[00:09:04] And I think that because it's so...

[00:09:07] That episode was written by Gursimran Sangthu,

[00:09:10] who wrote it so impeccably.

[00:09:12] And because she's writing it,

[00:09:14] there's another added dimension to the authenticity.

[00:09:17] And so when we get into this monologue about the makeup

[00:09:21] and even just the hints of colorism that are getting addressed,

[00:09:25] even just the dynamics around a mother who thinks that...

[00:09:30] You know, it's funny.

[00:09:31] You said something that I'm trying to circle back to.

[00:09:33] You said something around the pressure for women to have children

[00:09:37] and that babies can be seen as the glue, which is so true.

[00:09:40] There's also an element of worthiness,

[00:09:43] that we are not worthy unless we have children.

[00:09:46] And Sutta's character really addresses that.

[00:09:50] And you see Hillary push back on that.

[00:09:52] Like, can I still be worthy as a woman?

[00:09:55] And for me, as somebody who is child-free,

[00:09:58] of course this hits so deep.

[00:10:00] This strikes on so many chords for me.

[00:10:02] So I think I'm just really excited.

[00:10:04] I found so many women really love this aspect of Hillary.

[00:10:08] And I think it's really exciting to me

[00:10:10] because I know as an artist,

[00:10:12] that was one of the most exciting pieces of the connective tissue of Hillary.

[00:10:17] She's such a layered character

[00:10:19] and it was so incredible to watch you

[00:10:21] navigate all of these different conversations that were going on

[00:10:24] and all with the direction of Lulu.

[00:10:27] Could you talk a little bit more about working with her

[00:10:29] and what stood out to you about her voice as a filmmaker?

[00:10:34] I'd love to talk about that.

[00:10:35] I'm really also in awe of Lulu.

[00:10:37] I mean, I think what Lulu has as a director

[00:10:41] is pretty spectacular

[00:10:43] because she has a very clear POV,

[00:10:45] which is exactly what you want in your director.

[00:10:49] And she has the willingness to collaborate

[00:10:51] and really say,

[00:10:53] okay, this isn't working. We don't need this.

[00:10:55] Why do you want this?

[00:10:57] We just would have a lot of conversations.

[00:10:59] I felt like, especially in times where things were really raw and vulnerable,

[00:11:03] like the elevator stuff

[00:11:05] or the hospital scene with the dad,

[00:11:07] there's a lot of sensitivity.

[00:11:09] The set was so quiet

[00:11:12] because there's just a really generous awareness

[00:11:14] of what an actor might need

[00:11:17] in order to be able to tap into this level of emotion,

[00:11:20] this level of raw vulnerability.

[00:11:23] And that was one of my favorite things about working with Lulu.

[00:11:26] And also that there were times where I could say,

[00:11:29] this feels...

[00:11:30] And she'd be like, yeah, you might not...

[00:11:32] Okay, let's cut that sentence.

[00:11:34] She always kind of felt it.

[00:11:36] There was a real sort of intuitiveness

[00:11:38] about the way she operates.

[00:11:40] And it was really...

[00:11:42] I mean, I think it's another testament

[00:11:43] to why we have the show we have.

[00:11:46] We took it all.

[00:11:48] We brought them to our land.

[00:11:51] An endless night.

[00:11:53] Ember hot and icy cold.

[00:11:56] The rage of the earth.

[00:11:58] We made this curse.

[00:12:02] Carved it in the blood on our backs.

[00:12:04] We did not see.

[00:12:06] We could not, but she did.

[00:12:08] And in the end...

[00:12:09] What will I become?

[00:12:11] Senua's Saga. Hellblade II.

[00:12:16] It's an incredible dynamic.

[00:12:18] And it does feel like everyone

[00:12:20] is so deeply on the same page, too,

[00:12:22] with the story that's being told.

[00:12:24] In particular, Hilary's friendship with Margaret,

[00:12:27] played by Nicole Kidman.

[00:12:29] There's so much going on there.

[00:12:31] Both of them navigating pain

[00:12:33] and such vulnerable times in their lives

[00:12:36] alongside each other.

[00:12:37] And there's a moment when Hilary says

[00:12:39] she doesn't quite know how to be Margaret's friend

[00:12:42] right now, which can be such a relatable

[00:12:45] moment when a friend is going through a tough time.

[00:12:47] I loved your chemistry with Nicole Kidman.

[00:12:49] It did feel like there was such a real

[00:12:51] kind of shorthand between the two of you.

[00:12:53] What was it like working with her?

[00:12:55] And was it written in the script for the two of you

[00:12:57] to sing and dance to Heart of Glass?

[00:12:59] It was.

[00:13:00] Okay, that felt super spontaneous.

[00:13:02] Well, you know,

[00:13:04] that was probably one of my favorite things

[00:13:06] about working with Nicole,

[00:13:07] is we did have really great chemistry.

[00:13:09] She's the kind of actor

[00:13:11] that is maybe one of my favorites to work with

[00:13:13] in that they'll always give you energy.

[00:13:15] She's always giving you something.

[00:13:17] She's never going to phone it in.

[00:13:19] She's never going to say,

[00:13:20] oh, the camera's not on me.

[00:13:21] I'm just going to sort of say my lines

[00:13:23] without giving you a real human being

[00:13:25] to respond to.

[00:13:27] And that is my favorite kind of actor,

[00:13:29] especially coming from theater training.

[00:13:31] That's the way I've always sort of operated.

[00:13:34] To me, it's kind of all energy, right?

[00:13:37] So if I'm withholding my energy,

[00:13:39] how could anyone respond to that truthfully?

[00:13:43] And what I love about the way Nicole works

[00:13:45] is she has that same fire

[00:13:47] and that same willingness to play.

[00:13:50] And I think that's why you see the chemistry

[00:13:52] that you see,

[00:13:53] because we really are just connecting, you know?

[00:13:55] And I think the friendship

[00:13:57] between Margaret and Hillary,

[00:13:59] it honestly kind of makes me cry

[00:14:01] because it's so real.

[00:14:03] You know, I have experienced friendships

[00:14:05] falling apart.

[00:14:06] I think most of us have.

[00:14:08] And it's something that I don't think

[00:14:09] is talked about very often,

[00:14:10] which is so fascinating.

[00:14:11] We're all, as a society,

[00:14:13] pretty comfortable talking about relationships

[00:14:15] that are love relationships

[00:14:17] and breakups and dating

[00:14:19] and marriages and divorces.

[00:14:21] But what about the reality of friendships

[00:14:24] that just start to either grow apart

[00:14:26] because of life

[00:14:27] or because something happened

[00:14:29] and they're no longer on the same page?

[00:14:31] And that's what you really see

[00:14:32] with Margaret and Hillary.

[00:14:33] And it's painful.

[00:14:34] And, you know, you sort of see

[00:14:36] Hillary going through multiple breakups.

[00:14:40] She's breaking up with David.

[00:14:42] She's breaking up with Margaret.

[00:14:44] And she's breaking up a little bit

[00:14:46] with her own family

[00:14:47] and their lies that they've been telling.

[00:14:49] She's saying,

[00:14:50] I can't do this anymore.

[00:14:51] So I think part of why Hillary

[00:14:53] resonates for so many of us

[00:14:55] is because it's such an adult experience.

[00:14:58] It's such a real experience.

[00:15:00] As we start to get out of college

[00:15:01] and we start to live in the world,

[00:15:03] that's what it looks like.

[00:15:05] Yeah.

[00:15:06] It's very messy.

[00:15:08] Welcome to adulthood.

[00:15:11] I know!

[00:15:12] We're all like,

[00:15:13] now I want to go back to nap time at seven.

[00:15:15] Yeah.

[00:15:16] It just actually made me think

[00:15:18] about another moment.

[00:15:19] It's in the last episode

[00:15:21] when Hillary's breaking the fourth wall.

[00:15:23] And there's a conversation about

[00:15:25] being courageous enough to lose

[00:15:27] sight of the shore.

[00:15:29] Oh yeah.

[00:15:30] Yeah, it's such a powerful line

[00:15:32] and it kind of made me think of

[00:15:34] what happens when a place that

[00:15:36] once felt home doesn't feel

[00:15:38] like home anymore.

[00:15:39] And I was wondering,

[00:15:40] for you as an actor,

[00:15:42] when you go through a journey

[00:15:44] like Ex-Pats and that character's

[00:15:46] world becomes your home for a moment

[00:15:48] and then you find that it's time

[00:15:50] to move on to the next project,

[00:15:52] how do you feel about moving onwards?

[00:15:54] Is it easier for you to move on

[00:15:56] or do you feel like Hillary is sort of

[00:15:58] still lingering inside?

[00:16:00] I think she's definitely still lingering.

[00:16:02] You know?

[00:16:03] I think there's lessons I've learned

[00:16:06] I think that Hillary grew me in ways

[00:16:08] that, I mean, there were elements

[00:16:10] of this project that I genuinely

[00:16:12] thought, can I do this?

[00:16:14] You know, like, this is what I went

[00:16:16] to grad school for.

[00:16:17] This is what I wanted when I got out.

[00:16:19] This was the dream.

[00:16:20] And then, you know, you start to sort

[00:16:22] of take the work that you're

[00:16:24] known for.

[00:16:25] I say take the work as if it's a choice.

[00:16:27] I mean, I got the work I got.

[00:16:29] And, you know, you start to get in,

[00:16:31] every one of us starts to get in sort

[00:16:33] of a comfort zone, if we're lucky.

[00:16:35] This project came around and I was

[00:16:37] like, I have not been asked to

[00:16:39] do this level of work since

[00:16:41] I did Maggie the Cat in grad school.

[00:16:43] You know?

[00:16:44] This is like a whole new

[00:16:46] level.

[00:16:48] I mean, there's a better word,

[00:16:49] stratosphere, right?

[00:16:50] And now I'm playing ball with

[00:16:52] Nicole Kidman, Lulu Wang,

[00:16:54] and in a role that requires

[00:16:56] relentless vulnerability.

[00:16:58] So, I don't know that I'll ever say

[00:17:00] goodbye to Hillary.

[00:17:01] Just like when I did I Feel Bad,

[00:17:03] which was probably one of my other

[00:17:05] dream roles, I did a show called I Feel

[00:17:07] Bad, and Emmett still lives in me.

[00:17:09] You know, Emmett was the name of that

[00:17:11] character.

[00:17:12] And I think there are, Maggie the Cat

[00:17:14] in grad school still lives in me.

[00:17:15] There are certain roles that we play,

[00:17:17] if we're lucky, that become

[00:17:19] a piece of us.

[00:17:20] And they, those women are

[00:17:22] still teaching me how to be in this

[00:17:24] world.

[00:17:25] That's very, very powerful.

[00:17:27] That's, and it's so incredible to

[00:17:29] hear that.

[00:17:30] I also wanted to mention too, with

[00:17:32] being on Amazon Prime, which is such a

[00:17:34] huge platform, people can

[00:17:36] constantly kind of rediscover it or

[00:17:38] see it for the first time and

[00:17:40] really think about it and chew on

[00:17:42] it. And looking back

[00:17:44] on the show since its release,

[00:17:46] what do you hope for people to really

[00:17:48] take away from and remember

[00:17:50] about Ex Pats?

[00:17:51] You know, there's a few things.

[00:17:53] I think there are certain things about

[00:17:54] the show that I think are really

[00:17:56] exciting, like, oh, here it's a female

[00:17:58] driven show that is actually incredibly

[00:18:00] diverse and diverse in terms of

[00:18:02] the show's rehearsal. Here's a show

[00:18:04] with primarily women of color,

[00:18:06] primarily writers of color, a showrunner

[00:18:08] that's a woman of color director. You know,

[00:18:10] like there's so much inclusion in

[00:18:12] this show just because.

[00:18:14] Just because it makes sense and it's

[00:18:16] great. It doesn't even have to make sense.

[00:18:18] And that there's just quality

[00:18:20] storytelling here that resonates with

[00:18:22] so many. So there's just like on a

[00:18:24] base level, I'm really excited

[00:18:26] that people are recognizing more

[00:18:28] stories like this with

[00:18:30] a lot of

[00:18:32] inclusion and at

[00:18:34] the same time, just great story

[00:18:36] that is universal, right? Like

[00:18:38] that's always exciting to me. On another

[00:18:40] level, I think what I hope people take

[00:18:42] away is Lulu

[00:18:44] talks about how one of the things she loves about the

[00:18:46] show and she always wanted to do with the show is that

[00:18:48] people walk away having a conversation. There aren't

[00:18:50] clear answers. There is no

[00:18:52] villain. There is no hero. There's

[00:18:54] just humanity. And that at

[00:18:56] some point in this show,

[00:18:58] you start to recognize you might be reading for

[00:19:00] someone and then they do something that you don't like. You

[00:19:02] might be and you start to sort of see like

[00:19:04] there is no team here. You know,

[00:19:06] there's just human beings

[00:19:08] and the messiness of being

[00:19:10] a human being. So I think what I hope

[00:19:12] as people rediscover or

[00:19:14] you know, watch for the first time is

[00:19:16] that they are just willing to get messy

[00:19:18] with us and be in this world because

[00:19:20] that to me is the core of humanity.

[00:19:22] Very, very well said. Well,

[00:19:24] I'm sure that the performance and the show

[00:19:26] itself have hit such a chord

[00:19:28] and will stay with me

[00:19:30] for a very long time as well.

[00:19:32] And I'm sure many, many other

[00:19:34] people and I know we're reaching

[00:19:36] the end of our time here. But as we wrap

[00:19:38] up, we would love to know

[00:19:40] what you're working on next. If you're able to tell

[00:19:42] us, I am able

[00:19:44] to so that's good timing. I'm actually

[00:19:46] working on a show for Hulu called the

[00:19:48] Untitled Orphan Project that of course

[00:19:50] will have a

[00:19:52] new episode next. But it's starring

[00:19:54] Ellen Pompeo, Mark Duplass and I'm

[00:19:56] just having a great time getting to

[00:19:58] film it and I'm so

[00:20:00] thankful for work because I know it's been a

[00:20:02] really difficult and trying time

[00:20:04] for so much of our industry even post

[00:20:06] strike. So I just really

[00:20:08] hope work continues to pick up for everyone

[00:20:10] because I love our industry and I want

[00:20:12] everyone to be able to do what we do.

[00:20:14] Well, we look forward to whatever

[00:20:16] you do next. It was such a pleasure

[00:20:18] to speak with you. Sari, thank

[00:20:20] you so much for your time and

[00:20:22] best of luck going forward. We'll be rooting

[00:20:24] for you this Emmy season. We hope to

[00:20:26] see you. Your performance is so

[00:20:28] spectacular in ExVats and congratulations

[00:20:30] again on this show.

[00:20:32] Thank you and thank you for your time.

[00:20:34] I hope you have a wonderful day. Hey everyone,

[00:20:36] thank you so much for listening to us.

[00:20:42] Sari, you blew here on the Next Best

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