Drishyam 3: One Body, Too Many Twists? | Khandaan A Bollywood Podcast

[00:00:00] Hello Nani, Kaur and Devansh, the two people who are with us. Thank you so much for joining us. Amrita is not here on the podcast with us today on this live stream. She is traveling. It sounds so solemn man. She's just got a holiday. If you make it sound so serious. I'm also hot in Patreon. I'm still getting up from sleep now. I will be talking to you.

[00:00:26] So yeah, we're doing a live stream today. Supposedly this was supposed to be a Patreon only thing but we couldn't figure it out so we're on YouTube now. But we're going to be doing more of these live streams on Patreon so it can be an added benefit to join Patreon which we're kind of... Actually it doesn't make sense why we're not live recording. We could just basically record how we do and then just put it live but we haven't thought of it. Now we are. So we're going to be talking Drisham 3 and they're just going to be hanging around a little bit.

[00:00:56] See if there's any interesting questions, if you have any things that you want to chat to us about and some other things that I've watched. I don't know Sujoy, have you watched anything except Drisham 3 because your schedule has been a bit crazy lately, right? Well, non-Bollywood stuff... Excuse me. I watched The Digger which is the flop of the year apparently. Everybody has mixed minds about it.

[00:01:20] Some people have like really like dig the grave for The Digger. And some people like me who really, really enjoyed it. I really, really liked it. I also watched Drisham 2 in preparation for Drisham 3 so maybe there will be... Obviously the movie itself has callbacks to the previous movie so we can discuss that. I watched Train to Busan.

[00:01:48] It was released as part of the horror fest because it's October and you know a lot of horror movies are being shown at the cinemas. But nothing other than that really. Yeah, I've watched... Yeah, I've watched Baby Do or Die. That was kind of fun. We can talk about that a little bit. And I did watch Animals yesterday, the new Ben Affleck movie that came out on Netflix. Okay.

[00:02:17] Which has an amazing cast. So, yeah, we can talk about a little bit about that. So, but let's do Drisham 3 first of all. Drisham 3 the conclusion and... Drisham the conclusion. Drisham the conclusion. Is it Drisham the conclusion? So, so happy that they're concluding the story. Cause like the corpse of this guy that they've been dragging around for like 16 years. Like, I'm done. Like, I'm done. Like, I'm done, you know, like...

[00:02:47] Has it been 16 years since the first one came out? I don't know. I'm just like, I'm not even following the timeline of the movie anymore. Or, um, as usual, we're a very uneducated podcast as the people on our comment section always keep telling us. Okay. So it's been 11 years, yeah. 12. 11 years. Yeah. Okay. Uh, no, no. People in the comment section are always telling us to get educated, get educated. It's just always such a funny thing. Yeah. I'm going to get educated about the eighties.

[00:03:17] Like what the hell, man? I lived through them. But anyway, uh, Drisham 3. Um, I remember you spoke about the Malayalam version a couple of weeks ago, right on the episode. So you've seen it. You were suggesting that I should watch it before we record, which I didn't get the time to do, unfortunately. But I'm also happy in a way because then I can really focus on this movie and not like, you know, mix, uh, things together.

[00:03:42] I did watch like you, Drisham 3, Drisham 2 before the conclusion, just because honestly, I didn't remember much. But then when I started watching it, I was like, okay, I do remember a lot of this movie. Um, especially the main twists that were happening. Um, and watching the third one, this is a very twisty, twisty movie, right? Like the twists are there. Uh, but yeah, what are your thoughts on Drisham 3, um, generally?

[00:04:11] Um, like, uh, people tend to forget. Uh, this is almost at the caliber of an Abbas Mastan. Um, like when Abbas Mastan were known for twists, this is almost that, but people sort of give it the, the prestige because it's a adaptation from a Malayalam movie. Um, but it's just another pulpy, you know, murder mystery, who done it, how done it kind of a movie.

[00:04:39] And if you view it through that lens, I, you can enjoy more. The more you think about it, it doesn't make sense. Like, uh, like, you know, uh, all of this was done so that he could escape somebody who saw him burying the body in a police station. Right. And then everything happens.

[00:04:59] But then to cover that up, he is burying the bodies in broad daylight or in like in the middle of nowhere, like, uh, in the front of a church, which is like, it doesn't make sense. Um, so if you don't ask too many questions, then Drishantri is an enjoyable fare.

[00:05:18] Like the, the, the, uh, the brain of Vijay Salgaokar can surpass all these, uh, multiple teams of rich lawyers and, and the, the police people who have a giant team surveilling this entire town. But yet they are somehow not able to cover all the time, uh, that Vijay Salgaokar can, you know, um, so, uh, give it the liberty of whatever.

[00:05:48] And I, I, I kind of, um, enjoyed Drishantri or the Drishantri conclusion, but you would think that, uh, it is the poker face of Ajay Devgan, which is at the centers. Or is it the, the Botox face of Ajay Devgan? You had a lot of issues with his face. Like throughout the cinema, you were like, what is up with his face?

[00:06:17] But I think it's also because you watch Drishantri and the change is so shocking between how his face looks in Drishantri and Drishantri. So even then, like also the way the beard is cut, like it elevates like his cheeks and it's just like a very, very weird look. Um, I don't think it's all settled. Um, I mean, I don't want to judge on people and their, you know, physical appearance and things like that. But, um, I mean, it's a very tough job.

[00:06:44] And if I was scrutinized that much about my physical appearance all the time, I would also be, you know, considering things. Uh, but, uh, it is just the, this change is quite like striking when you watch it, like one or two and three, one after the other. Um, I, I agree with you. Um, this, these movies are, are pulpy. They're honestly, they're race three, they're race four. The level of twists and reveals are not, you know, intellectual in any way, show or form.

[00:07:12] Like it also barely makes sense. And I'll be honest, like we saw this movie on Wednesday, right? On Tuesday, Wednesday. Um, we were already a bit late. The weekend had already passed. And, uh, we're recording now on a Sunday and I don't even remember a lot of the story of the twists anymore. So it really is the McDonald's of cinema where Kaya Pia Nikle and you're done, you know? So that's kind of how I see Drisham. And I think what you were saying that it is based on a Malayalam movie.

[00:07:41] So it kind of gives us a bit of prestige. But I also think the second part is that for people that grew up with Ajay Devgan and remember him from better movies, right? Cause he's not been making better movies in a while. So we almost feel this is his last zakham, you know, that's his last ganga jal. Like the last time we remember Ajay Devgan, you know, being actually in good cinema. So we, with those levels, we give these movies a bit more, uh, credence and prestige

[00:08:11] than they actually deserve. But I will also not deny that while watching it, you are having fun. It is like a rollercoaster ride of going up and down and what's going to happen now. And a few, a few of the reviews, the, you know, reveals are shocking because they do present it in a way that Vijay Salgaonkar and his family are, you know, checkmate that they don't have any moves left. And that's kind of the fun where, oh my God, he has seven other and he was actually playing,

[00:08:41] you know, Uno when you thought he was playing checkers. You know, the gay people at the, you know, like, so, uh, it's very much that, uh, the friends episode where they don't know. We know, they know, we know, we know. Yeah. The messers become the messies. That kind of thing. Yeah. I sometimes just want to go in Drisham and just say to the cops, that's what I want to do.

[00:09:09] But yeah, so in this one, we had a Jai Deep Alawat because, uh, Akshay Khanna has made bank with Dhurandar and he's like, he doesn't want to be in Drisham movies anymore. They kind of mentioned in the beginning that, so the previous cop that Akshay Khanna plays is Alawat. His last name was Alawat and, and he was suspended. And that's what Jai Deep says, like at the end of the previous time, Alawat was suspended and I produced the evidence and you said no, no to them. That's enough of it.

[00:09:39] And you're back now to my, you know, whatever. Speaking of Alawat, like Jai Deep's, uh, uh, Tomar, he loves an analogy. He loves an analogy, right? Yeah. Yeah. He gives the bhalu and shere and kutta and everybody in the jungle. Yeah. You're a cigarette. You're a cigarette. You're a lighter. You're an ashtray. Whatever. Like anything he sees in front of me.

[00:10:08] It's like, he has like a spirit. Bread too, I'll make it. It's very much that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's quite hilarious, but I do think like Jai Deep Alawat, really adds a lot to this movie. Like Akshay Khanna did in the previous one. It doesn't allow much plot wise because there's not much like in terms of plot or machinations there, but he does sink into this performance because he understands how

[00:10:37] pulpy and large and evil he needs to be to certain degree, especially that reason, that scene where he has, where he basically comes into the room with where the rishta is happening and there he just, and there it hits you like viscerally. Like what kind of guy is this? You know, like really want to slap him at that time. But it is, yeah, I think he's kind of a great addition to it.

[00:11:02] But I think on the other hand, the detriment is then that Tabu's role gets very much limited in this. Like it's pretty much a special appearance, whereas she was kind of the driver in the first one. And I think I like that energy that Ajay and Tabu had because honestly, they play a lot of times they play romantically paired with each other. Right. So having them kind of be forced to... They have like filmy history together. Exactly. So it carries through. Yeah.

[00:11:31] So that's kind of always, that's, it's fun to kind of see them as antagonists on this one. So... But also like they sort of, they sort of begin with that, right? Because the plot of Drisham 3 starts off because Tabu cannot let go. She is completely like the lost end. She's completely pushed to the limits.

[00:11:57] And if you, because this is sort of deviating from the Drisham 3 that was released earlier, they say the Malayalam version. In there you can, they have told it in a way that, oh, she is like really losing it, but you don't necessarily see it very vividly. But here Tabu's performance in that first 10 minutes or, you know, how the Deshmukhs are

[00:12:22] dealing with the events of Drisham 2, the story ending in Drisham 2 kicks off the events here. But then obviously with Jai De Palawa coming into the picture and then later Prakash Raj coming into the picture, the impact of the Deshmukhs sort of fades away and tapers away. Yeah. The thing is like, it starts with this idea that, you know, Tabu being this powerful cop

[00:12:50] has, with all of her machinations, with all of her resources, all of her privilege, was not able to bring down Ajay and kind of get the reveal, you know, the reveal she wanted, right? She hasn't gotten like justice for her son. Um, and that's left her to the point where she's considering, slight spoiler, uh, she's considering, um, suicide, right?

[00:13:15] And, uh, that whole plot line, like has, has no bearing on the rest of the movie. Like nobody is dealing with this in a way where, oh, I'm actually doing this because my wife was about to commit suicide. Like, okay, let's just start a whole new investigation with a whole new band of people involved. And, um, yeah, uh, it, it's just like, I think at the end of the movie, I'm still not sure if Tabu is now over it or not. Has she come to peace with it? Right.

[00:13:44] She just becomes kind of a cerebral piece of chess where, oh no, we lost and that's it. So I don't know. I felt that part was kind of like missing that there's no emotional resolution for Tabu's character. And also they never really come to terms with the fact that their, their kid was just an evil little bastard. Right. Like, uh, I don't know. I don't even remember if that happened in the first one. Definitely doesn't happen in the second one. They almost play it like this.

[00:14:13] He's this innocent guy, but that's not the case. Right. Like there. Yeah. There's a lot of erasure regarding that. Like why did this kid die? Did you question that? You know, uh, it doesn't happen that. Yeah. The other thing that, um, sort of is on my mind after watching this is that, oh, this is very much the hero's victory portrayed as VJ. Salgao Kaur is obviously the hero of the story. Right.

[00:14:40] But I think George Kutty in the Malayalam movies is not the hero. He is the protagonist, but he's not the hero. And a lot of the, that is carried by Mohan Lal's charm. He has the, the, the, he obviously has the, the, the family man angle to that, that he's protecting his family. But also there is a lot of guilt about what he has become, what he has to do to protect

[00:15:06] his family and all the levels of evils that he has to go to, to, to do that. And that weight bears on him. And, and you can see that in the characterization, whereas here, sadly, because of Ajay Devgan's face and also because of Ajay Devgan, how he portrays Vijay Salgao Kaur, it, it's very much the hero giri of Vijay Salgao Kaur can outsmart these people rather than the more character

[00:15:36] nuances in George Kutty. That, so these are, although they are in the same sort of, they have, they have the same story in the same universe in a way, they are completely different in how their main protagonists or main characters are portrayed, I would say. Well, I would say I would, I enjoy that aspect though. I enjoy that George Kutty and, and Vijay Salgao Kaur are different characters dealing with the

[00:16:05] same start of the premise, but I also don't remember if Drisham 2 really deviated from the, the Malayalam version or not. I don't, I remember that well, but I did remember that I appreciate the Hindi version more just because I had Akshay Khanna in it and like the, the stakes were a bit higher. I, I do feel that the Drisham franchise as a whole does have hangovers from that first

[00:16:30] Drisham that was Malayalam and therefore certain story beats don't work as well. Um, I think just how, like, like the element of classism, uh, casteism, um, I think that is more, um, uh, clear in the Malayalam versions where the Hindi versions try to kind of take a backseat. Like they will say, oh, if Chauti fail hai or Chauti pass hai and we have MSC and we have

[00:16:57] Harvard degrees, but it's never really ever related beyond education. Um, and it, like it, it never speaks to casteism or classism, which again, this is one of those differences between why Malayalam cinema can be considered more, more hard hitting than Hindi cinema can because Hindi cinema is then, you know, speaking to a much broader audience. So they, they tend to kind of like soften the edges a little bit. Yeah, for sure.

[00:17:24] There is, there is that moment where I think it was in the second one or the third one where they very much make clear than that his wife, uh, played by Shriya Saran, I think, um, she can't speak English. Um, and she's also very much portrayed as a, a woman that, uh, is trying to just grasp and understand what's happening and is just overwhelmed by anxieties and fears and the whole family is.

[00:17:51] And I did like in the list, this one, that those phase also are shown on Ajay Devgan's phase, that he also feels that, um, the powers that have come towards him are more than he could handle. And I thought that was also kind of an interesting portrayal here. Um, which is again, when the reveals start happening, you do wonder like, why was he then stressed out? Cause he had a plan for all of this pretty much.

[00:18:19] Um, but, uh, yeah, it does make the twist more powerful. Adding that element of this is even beyond. He even tells his, his, uh, uh, his family that this might be one that we will not win. This might be a situation where we just need luck. And I did kind of appreciate because it's set the stakes much higher than the previous movies did, I think. So I think in this Drisham, there's like two elements to the subterfuge that, uh, Ajay Devgan

[00:18:48] has pretty much created, right? On the one hand, and we're going to do some spoilers here. So if you've not seen Drisham, I don't know, let us know in the comments, if we should keep it spoiler free or not. I think, like I say, always on Khandan, like, I think there's enough places where people are spoiler few reviewers. But I feel when we don't talk about the spoilers, then we can't really talk about the movie, um, in depth. So I, I enjoy talking about the spoilers too.

[00:19:16] Um, so if you've not seen Drisham and you don't want it spoiled, then maybe, uh, you know, zip back later to us. Yeah. But, but so there's two elements, right? So one is the body has been misplaced, right? And there is the element of, was Vijay in, in, uh, in position to change the, the skeleton, right? And then the second point is, is the skeleton where it needs to be, which is in the, um,

[00:19:45] in the graveyard, in the Christian graveyard, right? And apparently the third one is, has Vijay Silgaonkar now become a Christian, which is also something that they throw in there too as a mystery. I was like, oh, like we didn't have enough mysteries. Um, so those are the three kind of, how, how did you find those three elements of the, uh, mystery to, how was the reveal for you? How, how did the, was that satisfying? I would say yes.

[00:20:11] Like, um, again, like the more you think about it, uh, the, the big part is that there is a list of coincidences that has to happen, that everything needs to fall into place, right? So, uh, it is all relying upon one single worker to dig it all up in the rain, in the middle of the night, which is in the front yard of a church with nobody noticing. That's a big if, right?

[00:20:38] So if you negate that completely, then only it works. Um, but, uh, it, somehow it is set up that, oh, either Vijay might have gotten rid of Savio or, or what happened? We don't get to hear from that character for a long time. So in, in the grand scheme of things, if you just let that slide in, I think the twist works.

[00:21:02] Um, but obviously like with a pinch of salt, like, uh, it is all very coincidental that you, you need to believe in this cinematic liberty. I feel you, you don't, you just don't want to give them the, you just don't want to give them any credit. You're like, no, I want to, but I don't want to. Did it work for you? Uh, I thought, uh, so there's actually another reveal that, uh, not a reveal, but a mystery that

[00:21:31] they want to solve is was Vijay there at the time when the bones got switched basically. Right. And that really comes into play with Prakash Raj is there, which he's, you know, he's playing like this evil Amrish Puri Thakral type of lawyer here, which I again think Prakash Raj is really enjoying, you know, playing that kind of like playing up this villain, villainous villain, uh, which I, I mean, he's always fun to see on screen. Right.

[00:21:56] Um, so I don't, I, I honestly think that it's hard to say if they work cause they're like so stupid when you started analyzing and breaking them down. Right. Like the first one is like, no, no, no. He just lies. Like he just says like, no, no, no. I wasn't even there. Um, and it's, it's hilarious that they never kind of get deeper into that. The second reveal is, Oh, we just had a plastic prop made and that's fooled everybody.

[00:22:24] But we use community communal forces to kind of, you know, soften the, the blow blow there. And then, but the third last reveal is of was Vijay Salgaonkar there. And so joy, did I not call exactly what, but I made it. You made it funnier. So, uh, so I think they should have gone with my reveal to be honest. Yeah.

[00:22:48] The setup was that, uh, the only way to find out if Vijay was there was an audio recording. So they had, you know, uh, set up all these audio recording equipment, which by the way, fantastic audio quality on their part, best podcast studio ever. Right. Something unachievable for us. See, we can never reach the level of Vijay Salgaonkar podcasts. Yeah.

[00:23:15] So the, the two cops from the second part, Changu and Mangu, they, like, they had set up all these, um, taping audio equipment throughout the house of Vijay Salgaonkar to basically timestamp when Vijay leaves and Vijay comes back. So that was in the second, right? Yeah. Yeah. And so that comes back as the evidence in this part where they have to find out if Vijay

[00:23:40] was on, uh, at home, as he says, um, on the night where apparently the bone switching happened in the medical lab. Bone switching. Bone switching. What are we seeing? We have to see. And Asim suggested, it's funny because they could have set up a CCTV, but no, it's, it is definitely an audio thing.

[00:24:06] So Asim suggested it might be that the Choti Vachhi does a great Ajay Devkan impression, but it was kind of close to that. It was a boombox. Yeah. No, no. It's like an old school transistor radio that she brings in and she's just like walking through the room like that and just carrying it and doing Ajay's voice outside. I thought that was just hilarious. Yeah. Uh, that was so funny.

[00:24:32] That was funny because I thought like, like, like all of the women are portrayed quite like obviously the oldest daughter has gone through trauma. So they kind of deal with that. She's having panic attacks and pangs and things like that. I think because the wife is being actively kept in the dark and gas lit by Vijay Salgaonkar is just raising her anxiety. But the little one, she's like, he's two numbers. He's three. I had all my hopes pinned on her.

[00:25:01] Yeah. That she would, you know, uh, she would kind of like have like a bit more, uh, like I, there were moments where I thought she was going to come out and punch Prakash Raj. Like that little one. So I knew the twist was around her. Um, so. So, uh, that, that, that was quite, uh, that was quite fun that, that reveal happened. But again, they're all reveals are so nonsense, you know, like none of the, when you start thinking about it, like, come on, man. Like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's beyond, uh, beyond stupid when you think about it. Yeah.

[00:25:32] Um, but yeah, um, anything else, uh, that there were no songs in this movie too? Uh, like which. There was one family holiday kind of a song in the beginning that we sort of talked over, I think. Oh, we talked over. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, uh, for the rest, I also, I don't, I don't know how long this movie was, but I remember Drisham 2 was only like two hours long. And I thought that was a very kind of snappy length for a movie like that.

[00:26:00] If you drag it on for too much longer, then, uh, it's, it, it becomes less fun. So I thought this one was also kind of like fast moving. I thought, uh, it's like the reveals and the twists keep coming. And, uh, especially the first part where, which is more Jadipala was focused. In the second half, he's basically stuck in a meeting. Um, uh, he's really stuck in a meeting and he wants to get out of and he can't. And he's like, I have to go.

[00:26:28] This meeting could have been an email, you know, and then he's just late, which I thought was quite funny because it speaks to all of our anxieties when we're stuck in meetings. Um, but yeah, um, uh, this definitely deviates from the Malayalam third part, right? Because the Malayalam third one is kind of setting up for a fourth one to come. And, uh, the, the sort of deviation happens when the Shadiwala scene happens.

[00:26:56] So in the Malayalam version of Drishyam 3, all the twist is around the Shadi of the, the Badi Beti and, uh, things happen after that. So it's a different timeline altogether from there. Uh, whereas here, obviously we know what happens. Hmm. The Shadi never happens altogether. The Shadi also never happens, right? Like that Drishta is pretty much as dead as the body they buried. Yeah. Which, uh, what is him?

[00:27:23] Uh, Inspector Tomar, you know, did his best to break that Drishta. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, you know, He was like, you know, Bindu and the other lady in, uh, That's what Jadip was bringing that, that was the energy. Um, Apparently there is a lot of fan following regarding Gaitonde, which is weird. Yeah. Who's like, I would say he's like the worst character,

[00:27:52] like in terms of like, if that was a real cop, he would be, uh, but yeah, I think maybe people can wear towards that kind of corrupt cop kind of thing. Um, why are they not reading the chat? We're reading the chats, man. What are we, uh, sort up? We're reading it. I was just getting to it. Don't worry. Uh, there will be, Umang says there will be a Drisham 4, a hundred percent, maybe a different story altogether. Um, I don't know. This made a lot of money.

[00:28:18] So I don't know if they will go back to it like a prequel maybe, or I don't know. Like, I don't know how they can do it though. Like I think for events, it would really serve two and three. Yeah. But I think the, like the, I think the second one, they, they really revisit the second one, right. And to the point where they, they make the reveals that happen in the second one,

[00:28:46] the most powerful reveal in the second one was that the neighbors are cops, right? That was the one. As soon as I saw them, I was like, Oh my God, that's going to happen. I remember when I watched it, even I was shocked. I didn't see that one coming at all. Right. And I think Vijay already knowing this in the third one, basically kind of negates that reveal, which I find a bit of a shame, but they did leave these two, two threads hanging of, you know, the, the guy that he's going out drinking with. I don't remember his name.

[00:29:16] And then also the, the grave digger. I thought those reveals were open enough to revisit, put pressure on those pressure points. Another sort of characterization in the third one is the Madhira Pika Sogai thingy. The guy who plays that theater character who Vijay goes out drinking with, he, he plays Chanakya in his local theater. Madhira Pika Sogai. Is that a reference to something? Because like, I probably don't get it. Like, no,

[00:29:46] it's just a line that later, Tomar, Jadipalawat gets to say to him, like, Madhira Pika Sogai. Yeah. Yeah. I did like that, the, the face-off scene between Vijay and Tomar too, where they're like putting their, they have their little rom-com moment. It felt like a Govinda Neelam song from the 80s. Yeah. Yeah. You're my ugly. Yeah.

[00:30:16] I like that one. I like that one. Also, it's probably also the first moment where Ajay kind of speaks up, which was like, you know, speak up. but, but, so I don't know. I don't. So what I'm saying is basically, I knew those threads were kind of left open. I don't see any threads open here anymore. I don't know what Tabu's character, which card she could necessarily play again, but like you said, it's a, it's, it's making,

[00:30:45] it's making a lot of money. So if that's not a good reason to keep it going, I wouldn't know what else. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe they can find elements from the fourth one that eventually will be made. Cause I think the Malayalam version is definitely making a fourth one. So that might be, you know, that might give them some inspiration or some ideas. Yeah. Ghazal. Thanks for the live friends and missing Amrita.

[00:31:15] You don't know how much we're missing Amrita, you know, like we, like it's really bad. It's really bad. We miss her a lot. But yeah, she's, she's in, she's traveling at the moment, so she couldn't be here. What else do we have in terms of comments here? What's your thoughts on Indian cinema rising box office every year, despite OTT content rise this year, box office already 15% up compared to last year and two, three big movies are yet to come. We are not that another show. We are necessary.

[00:31:44] Like we are not experts on box office collections and what's making money and what's the trend this year for collections, et cetera. So we don't know. We really don't know. Are we really having a good year in terms of movies in Bollywood? I don't think so. There are no memorable movies at all from this year. Like at the end of the year, when we will be compiling our top three or top five movies, I really going to, I'm, I'm really going to be struggling. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:12] And I think a lot of these comments do come to us like, you know, like, Oh, it's going to make that much money or it made this much money. But I honestly rarely care about that. Like if I'm enjoying the movie, I'm enjoying the movie and I don't care necessarily how the, the only thing I care about with box office is that these people are allowed to make another movie, you know, that they don't end up getting in director's jail or actor's jail. But for the rest,

[00:32:37] I'm unfortunately not as savvy about trades and business wise. I, and I think somebody actually replied. The only reason why this is happening, I think this was Omong, is because of the rising prices of tickets in India. Even if very few people go to theater now, they can still make big money, which again, I've never had bought a ticket in India, so I wouldn't know how much the prices are, but that seems to make sense. I think the quality is definitely down there. And I,

[00:33:07] which is, it's funny because I think Hollywood has had a great, great year this year. Absolutely. And I don't think that's the case. And it hasn't been the case for a few years in Hindi cinema, unfortunately. So the quality is not there, even if money is coming in. And I, also, I always worry about how factual are the numbers that they're giving, you know, because there's a lot of like, ghapla going on there. Uh, Saurabh Mishra says,

[00:33:36] I am, I am from India. I'm trying to do a master's abroad. Can you, sir? Please reply. Can you please tell me your road map, how you move abroad? Yaar, hum jahe lai. Hum ne koi master as ne. Nah nah, joke. Manik, yeah, like, I did it like many, many years ago. Like, if you are, if you, what? He wants to do a master's abroad. Get your GMAT done. Get a student loan. And move. Yeah.

[00:34:06] That's all I can suggest. Yeah. Yeah. Madhira P.K. Soge Rapsong. Okay. We, we will work on that. Good work. Good work. We can get the guys from Putti Rap and stuff like that to get this done. I'm just happy that Ajay will get his first movie earning 500 crores. Yes. As a lead. Okay. He hasn't had that yet? I guess Singham did not make that money. I don't know. Yeah.

[00:34:35] Predict box office collection of Ramayan. You know, when you have the flat eight, that's the infinity symbol. I don't know. Sorry. We're not trade analysts. We don't know any of these numbers things. I hope that they are able to make enough money to make the full story. I would like to see the full story. That's what I want to see. And I'm excited to see it when it comes out. So that's where I stand on, you know, Ramayan.

[00:35:04] I don't share a lot of the negativity around it either. You know? Yeah. Like, I'm not actively following what's happening with the marketing of this movie. All of that. I'm just going to be going to the cinema, you know, when it releases. Yeah. For me, if the teaser, the concept, and maybe the first trailer has me excited, then I'm in. And then I don't follow the rest of the news anymore. I'm going to go watch it anyway. Right? Like, so the more, the less noise around the movie,

[00:35:33] the better for me, you know? Honestly, like, and that's across the board. Like we booked our tickets for Avengers, the new one. I don't even know the name of it. And yeah, do say, and I've not watched any teaser, anything, news, anything. I'm just going to the movie and I'm going to enjoy it and then think about it and talk about it. So that's, what's going to be happening. What else is there here? Any comments on coffee with Karan final season? Yeah.

[00:36:04] I see there's some teasers. I think there's also kind of a guest list that has been kind of announced. Unofficially. Yeah. I mean, guys, honestly, the ones that saw the first seasons, we're never going to be able to recreate that magic. Right? So if we are coming in with those expectations, you're bound to get disappointed. You know, the stars are not the same. The actors are not the same. The movie movies that have come out have not been on the same quality. And also the, when the,

[00:36:33] when the show came out, it was kind of a, a, a, a, something new, right? Like, Oh, we're these, these people that are friends are kind of give us tidbits and we're getting an inside peek of things that we don't know. Now, Amir is doing five hour podcast on London top, right? Like we have everything like, you know, we have too much. Right? So the, the world has changed. And also the amount of backlash, the, these guys have gotten for their comments. I,

[00:37:03] I would not find it fun to be on this show anymore. Right? Like, um, I think it's good that they're doing it and being done with it and we can all move on and just like, write it down. Whoever is watching the new coffee with current season, it's not going to be as good as the first season. Do you remember, you know, and take it from that. Right. Um, but I'm going to be watching the, the whole PR machinery around these celebrities, around the stars that accompany now,

[00:37:33] that wasn't the case when the first few seasons happened, it was there, but it wasn't this rampant and this stringent that these people have to be so careful about what they say, where they say, and how they say it. Otherwise it, the whole social media trolling circle wasn't there before and it is now. So they can't leave peaceful lives if, if something wrong takes off. Right. So the, the whole, um,

[00:37:59] joy of watching these in unfiltered thoughts before in the initial seasons of coffee with current is no more. So I don't know how, what, uh, fun the final season can bring, but we, we will be there witnessing it, I guess, along with you guys. Yeah, I'll definitely be watching it. And honestly, I'll still say, I prefer coffee with current, then, you know, getting kitchen tours and going to eat those out with these people. You know, I just don't enjoy that.

[00:38:28] Like I'll let them sit on a comfortable couch with inappropriate fashion choices. And talk about, you know, very lighthearted topics. I'm fine with that. You know, even like last season, there were some episodes that I didn't even watch because I knew I wasn't going to vibe with it. So it's going to be the same thing with this one. Um, let's talk about some other things that we've watched and stuff. Like, so yeah, I want to point out one thing that you, okay. Go ahead. Have we closed down the, the discussion on Drish and three then?

[00:38:57] And do we want any final thoughts? I don't think, I mean, I'm, I enjoyed it, but I'm also over it. And, uh, again, it's, it's a kind of a very happy meal McDonald's kind of cinema for me. You, and it's all, it's all good and forgotten. I had a good time when I watched it, but this is not like, you know, cinema that will be with my thoughts for a very long, long time. Uh, but I enjoyed it while I enjoyed it, you know,

[00:39:24] and I absolutely do not need a fourth Drisham movie. That's where I stand on Drisham three. What about you, Sajjah? Yeah. For what it is, the whole three story arc of Vijay Salgaukar was, um, quite satisfying. I would say it was, uh, it is no mean feat to achieve that over 11 years for any movie. And I appreciate it for what it is. Nothing beyond that. And I'm okay with the story ending,

[00:39:52] but I am looking towards George Kuti story with a lot of curiosity of how that ends now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I need to catch up on that one. I haven't had a chance to watch it. Uh, what I did watch and I wanted to recommend to you, I don't know if you've had a chance, but, uh, Komal Nahata has this show called game changers on YouTube. And he had this massive, I think two hour, uh, episode with the, the Tauranis from tips. Yeah. Both brothers.

[00:40:21] And there's a lot of clips going around on Instagram and like reels and stuff like that. I'm sure you've come across it, but did you get a chance to commit and watch the episode or not? Because I absolutely love these two episodes. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely from the clips, like, uh,

[00:40:46] gauge the amount of gems that can come out of this conversation because the Tauranis have been in the Bollywood, you know, industry or the fraternity for ages. So tell me some, some, some gems that you found. Yeah. It's, it's also just the fact that these people are so rich and so powerful that they don't, they don't give a shit. Right. So they can just say whatever they want and there will be no repercussions on it, which I really appreciate it because I have seen a few other episodes with, uh,

[00:41:15] Komal Nhatta and these are not on that level. Like this was really one of the, I enjoyed this so much and I just sat there and I was actually waiting for the next episode to come out, which you know, is crazy. And I think also Komal asks really hard hitting questions. I feel like he gets away with things where I'm like, wow. And this is the thing with the difference between somebody who's an established journalist compared to an influencer where there's never any hard hitting questions asked anymore because they're, you know,

[00:41:44] playing with Papu Jappu who wants to actually be on the next traitor season more than he will actually wants to talk about cinema. Exactly. Um, so he was really, we often forget like how in the industry Komal Nhatta is and for how long, you know, it's been ages since he's been like doing this trade analyst thing for such a long time. And so he knows the ins and outs of the industry. Yeah. And I also like that he, he, he's clearly trying to adapt to the social media world.

[00:42:13] So now he does these, uh, short, uh, reviews on Twitter. I don't know if you've seen them, but there's a certain amount of real you can have. And he just goes so fast on the review. It's like Shankar Mahavadevan doing breathless. It's hilarious. I love it. I love how he's adapting, but I really liked how he really put the screws on both of these men and ask them some really hard questions, but it was about really, um, I mean, the tidbits,

[00:42:42] I don't want to spoil to anybody, but this idea about how the, um, the system really works. They talked a lot about their golden period with Nadeem Shravan and with Samir and how easy it was to work with Samir because he's very flexible and then how they never could gel working with Javed Akhtar. Um, and he, they even said, Javed, Javed Sam will kill me and stuff like that. So it was quite funny how, how deep they can go into that. Um, also just, uh,

[00:43:11] their ranking of filmmakers, like how Subhaj Ghai had kind of the best ear for music and yes, uh, yes, Chopra did. And those filmmakers are just not there anymore, but how also they would negotiate their pricing and stuff like that. So that was really interesting. They talk a lot about copyright and it's the, the first time that I was like listening to them and I kind of saw their point of view about, you know, how, uh, royalties have been,

[00:43:41] uh, shared or not shared. And a lot of times we'll hear, we'll hear from singers or composers kind of giving their point of view, but hearing it from the production side of you and we're like, Hey, actually that also makes sense what, what they're saying. Right. And basically they were saying like, uh, if singers are, uh, complaining about royalties, for example, a music company is buying that from the music director. It's not their choice necessarily.

[00:44:10] So it needs to be dealt with the music director, not with the music company, because we're buying the product. Right. And then he also says that, okay, when a singer has sung a song, he can earn as much money as he wants on the shows. And they never pay that money back to production companies because they're singing the song. And they're also not giving it back to the composer. So in a way, the composer is getting hurt because they made the song, but nobody cares.

[00:44:38] They just want to see Kumar Sanu sing those songs on a concert, which they earn almost more money than they do actually singing the song. So it was quite interesting. And, um, they also talked about remaking and readaptation and how, uh, she, they had this tidbit where they said, uh, Kareena Kapoor texted them to say that she earned, I think 25 extra crores because, uh,

[00:45:07] Choli Ke Peche Kya Hai was remade into crew. Um, so there's the whole cuckoo thing happening. Right. Uh, and she, because of just that she earned 25 crores extra, which is a considerable amount. Right. So I thought that was really interesting. The other thing I also, because this is the Khamdan podcast, they asked who is the actor that has the best musical ear? And they said Salman Khan, like they had no other second person. They were just the only Salman Khan. Uh,

[00:45:36] and then they said from the new singers, uh, has anybody got a musical ear? And they had nobody, they couldn't find anybody to say, which is quite interesting. And they also said that, you know, like there are reasons why music isn't that good. And a lot of that is, uh, the fault of the actors also, because they kind of pull a project together. And a lot of these new actors and stars just don't have the legacy and understanding of music. And that's why it's just not working. So, uh,

[00:46:07] yeah, it's, uh, it was a really, really good interview. I think, uh, you know, put it on the background and you'll be like getting pulled back in. Like, Oh my God, did they actually say that kind of thing? It's a really, really good episode. I think about the, the making of Pathar Ke Phool. They had, like, they had acquired the rights, uh, when Menepiarkia came out and they had to give money to Ram Lakshman because they wanted the same director and same actor with Ravi Tandon's daughter who was about to make the debut. Uh, yeah,

[00:46:36] it was really interesting to hear that story. Yeah. They also said like on, because they have the film production unit and then they have the music unit. Right. And they said, when we are producing a movie, we sometimes earn five, six times the budget of the movie just by selling the music. So they're already in the green just because how many, much music and soundtrack they've sold, which is crazy. I don't think that's the case anymore, obviously, because the numbers are different, but back in the day with CD sales and cassettes, they could do that.

[00:47:06] I'm sure like that is the case with a movie like Jab Pyar Kisi Sa Hota Hai, right? Tips Films made that and the movie was not a big hit, but the soundtrack was blockbuster. So probably they did that. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, it's really fun. It's a really good interview and I really enjoyed it. So thank you, Komal Uncle for doing that. I really, I liked it. Um, what else did you see? Uh, I watched the digger, which I don't know if you want to talk about it. I want to talk about it,

[00:47:35] but I do not want to hear the spoiler because everybody keeps saying that something big happens and I'm waiting to go next week. Okay. Uh, I mean, it's not just the big thing happens. The big thing happens on many levels in many parts of the movie and it just shook my entire system how a movie like this can be made at this time. And, and like, it's so timely that this got made, but there is so much cynicism and how do you pronounce it? Nahalism. Nihilism.

[00:48:05] Nihilism. Um, around how it is being, you know, in the context of what, what the world we live now and the cinematic and the creativity choices that Inaritu has made to make this movie is, and Tom Cruise is just like on absolute fire in this movie. And I just can't understand how cinema lovers are actually not able to like this movie.

[00:48:34] There are some people saying by declaring it meta, you cannot go away with the over the topness that this movie sometimes goes through. And it's somewhat like an excuse that, oh, it's meant to be that way. That's why you can't say that it's bad, but I don't know. Um, for like, I don't see that perspective at all. Like for me, this movie absolutely landed. Uh, that's the best way I can go.

[00:49:04] If it is spoiler free, like I would like with my whole heart, uh, recommend this to everybody who enjoys movies that will stay with you for a long time. I don't think like, it's poetic that this movie got made on such a huge budget because of many, many shit, you know, rescheduling. And it's so, everything is practical in this movie. Um, and it lost a lot of movie. And this being the last movie that Warner Brothers gets to make, because it's getting, you know,

[00:49:34] merged into Paramount and it's now like decades of that legacy is gone. It's now Skydance and, and, uh, this to be the last movie that that studio gets to make is kind of bittersweet in a way. Um, yeah, yeah, I, I would highly, highly recommend Digger. Yeah. I want to really go, I'm trying to ultra good this week for me, like Tom Cruise has never made a bad movie. Like I like all of them, right. Even like stupid ones, like the mummy and stuff like that.

[00:50:03] I appreciate like how passionate is he is about cinema. And I think that's a passion. Like I feel a lot of stars miss that it becomes a commerce more than anything else or a popularity contest. And I think Tom Cruise is the last, one of the last ones that he's beyond all of that, you know? And I think, uh, I think he knew that this movie was not going to work necessarily as a box office thing, but he really pushed his all to do it. And like, really, I'm,

[00:50:31] I'm sure he didn't spare an expense for this one, even like, it's probably like on a massive scale and budget, right? So I want to see it, you know, so I just didn't get a chance. The movie got made, you know? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I did watch, uh, animals, uh, with, uh, on Netflix, which dropped, which is, uh, Ben Affleck's new movie. Um, what do you feel of Ben Affleck as a director? Um, as a director, so he's done Argos, he's right.

[00:51:01] Yeah. Argo. Yeah. Argos. Argos. Yeah. The catalog. Um, I've only seen Argo, I think. What, what the, uh, the town was that him? Yeah. That was him too. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoyed both of them, I would say. Um, and I think he did one more. If I'm, I'm kind of, I'm pulling up. I mean, he's produced a lot more. Um, yeah. He's also been writing a lot. Uh, and I think this was also produced by,

[00:51:31] uh, so he did, uh, well, he's done quite a bit. He's done, air. I don't know if you saw that, uh, about the Michael Jordan live by night, Argo, the town gone, baby, gone, baby, gone. No, I haven't seen gone, baby gone. Have you not seen gone? Dude, you have to watch God. It's so good. It's really, really good. Watch it tonight, man. It's a really good one. Um, so yeah, I'm always excited when a new Ben Affleck movie comes out, even as an actor, I really appreciate him, but as a director, I think he really has a good handle of it.

[00:52:01] And this is basically a story of an LA version of Mamdani, but his kid gets kidnapped. Um, okay. But, uh, then the reveal is, I don't know if I should even, mess up. So basically they call in all of these democratic, uh, political players to get his kid back. And one of those players is by, uh, Gillian Anderson, um, you know, from X-Files and stuff like that. And you also have Steven Yoon in it as his advisor. And, uh,

[00:52:30] did you ever watch the last, uh, Spike Lee movie with, uh, Denzel Washington, highest to lowest? No, I haven't. Okay. So it's very similar in terms of storytelling, but they add a bit more kind of action and things to it. I don't think this is, um, Ben Affleck's best made movie. Um, he, the other ones that I have mentioned, I did appreciate them a lot more. Um, um,

[00:52:57] it does have some weird kind of deviations in the story and it's trying to tell us more than it's actually committing to telling. Um, but for a Netflix movie, which when I say a Netflix exclusive movie, your expectations are already kind of like rock bottom, right? Um, um, I thought this was pretty good. Like I, I had a good time, but I cannot call it a good movie. Uh, but, uh, it was the big release, uh, for this week, I think.

[00:53:27] And, uh, it's going to be on your algorithm as it was on my algorithm. And I just clicked immediately and I did end up watching the whole thing and enjoying it quite a bit. Uh, I'd like to talk to you if you have seen it a bit more in detail because there's a few twists and reveals that I don't want to spoil. It literally came out Saturday, Friday. So, um, yeah, I think a lot of people haven't seen animals, but, uh, yeah, once you do, um, but watch gone baby gone first. Okay. Um,

[00:53:56] going back to the chat, have you, Melanie Subramaniam says, one of our patrons, by the way. Oh, hi Melanie. Uh, have you watched Hunkar, a web series on Gio hot star with Anit Padda? She is excellent along with a terrific ensemble cast. I do recommend it. haven't seen it. I would definitely put that on the list. Uh, I've heard so much positive, positive about Hunkar. Uh, even our friend, uh, he was mentioning it a few times that he really liked it. I've seen a lot of people make reels about, uh,

[00:54:27] about this show, which you always know that it's kind of hit people in the right nerve. Um, I will say I don't have Gio hot star, um, available. Uh, so maybe I should look into that actually, because sometimes they do drop some good ones there. Uh, I thought, I, I think Anita, Anit Padda is great, wasn't great in Sayara and I'm looking forward to, I think she's in Shakti's Shalini next. Um, I think she's, she was great in that. And I think a lot of the credit has gone to the male performer,

[00:54:56] which as it usually does, but I think she was amazing in it. So I do feel the, uh, the theme of Hunkar, which I know the storyline is something that I have trouble watching or wanting to click because it's also a theme that we've seen in many other stories. But what I've heard is that they really keep the focus on the victim this time. Uh, that is kind of a different way of telling the story. So yeah, I'm hearing good things.

[00:55:23] I don't have Gio and I don't know if I immediately want to watch it because of, the themes of the show, but, uh, yeah, a lot of people are saying that it's really, really good. So I'm happy you enjoyed it too, Melanie. Um, what else is there? Uh, Vijay says, uh, watch Satam and Kayal. Uh, it's an excellent movie from Tamil industry now dubbed in Hindi. Um, sure. Thank you for that recommendation. Also,

[00:55:53] what's your thought on Dorothy movie? If you have watched it, it was so controversial in Tamil Nadu. Um, yeah, I've heard of Dorothy. I, I haven't necessarily engaged with the reactions to it yet, uh, or know, uh, what our friends thought of that movie. Um, it's been on my radar, but again, with releases here in the UK, like, uh,

[00:56:18] there's like six Tamil and Telugu movies at dropping in the same week. And then one of them gets a slot in the evening at 9 PM. So it's difficult to make to the screening. So it's been, um, and, and obviously with our busy lives as well, trying to accommodate all of that. We're, we're also older people. So you have to ask that nine o'clock is very late for us already. Um, okay.

[00:56:47] What else did I watch? I also watched, um, baby do or die, which I want to quickly talk about. it also, uh, Huma Qureshi movie. Yes. Huma Qureshi starring, but also produced by Huma Qureshi and Saqib Salim. I think this is their first movie as siblings that they're kind of, uh, producing together.

[00:57:07] And I think probably it's because Huma is an actress had a lot of praise and buzz when she debuted, but I think she hasn't really been able to kind of find her foothold as a, male, as a main lead. I think she has been able to deliver quite a bit on streaming shows. Um, and she's done quite well, but I think the kind of role she wanted,

[00:57:33] she's not been able to secure that really as a mainstream Bollywood, uh, uh, actress. So I think what they've been very smart to do is to create their own products, projects. And I think baby do or die is one of those first ones. And, um, so it basically follows, uh, uh, deaf and mute, uh, hit man played by Huma Qureshi in Mumbai.

[00:57:58] And it's very stylistically made. Like it has a very strong comic book vibe to it. Um, which I think, like, uh, Bhavesh Joshi. Yes. But also, um, almost like, Sin City-ish to a certain degree, because there's a lot of like, they play with a lot with color and rain and things like that. And I think, I remember this releasing the same week as alpha. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[00:58:27] And a lot of people were saying that it's much better than alpha, which I agree. Uh, this is a better movie than alpha, but I also don't think that baby do or die is a completely successful movie. It's one of those movies that I'm really happy. They made it, but, and, uh, I hope they are able to make this more of these that it was successful for them, but I didn't find it to be completely, uh, working as a whole, as a whole movie,

[00:58:55] especially because the second half has a very steep drop in quality and, uh, storytelling. And it, it hinges on a few reveals that I personally saw from a mile away. Um, and it kind of doesn't have the budget really to kind of, deliver on its ambitions. Um, so those are the kind of struggles, but I think it's, it's a very good stepping stone. And, uh, in a way,

[00:59:24] remember when, you know, Anushka Sharma started producing movies and it kind of elevated. And I hope that's the kind of route, uh, Saqib Salim and, Huma Qureshi can kind of, uh, grow and kind of make better movies. Uh, but I think it was interesting. Second half doesn't work for me, uh, but the world building that they have, the, the kind of performances that they have are really, really good. The action is really enjoyable too. Uh,

[00:59:54] even, uh, quite enjoyable chunky pande, which is something I would rarely say, you know, uh, uh, so it has, uh, so it has, uh, quite enjoyable chunky pande. Quite enjoyable chunky pande. Uh, so those elements were quite good, but yeah, the second half, unfortunately doesn't work for me, but I think I can give them leeway to say, you know, like good one. Like, let's see what you guys do next. Uh, it also starts second care in this,

[01:00:24] uh, Seema Pawa is in it too. Um, and there's also a appearance by Saqib Salim in it. So there are moments where they kind of, because it's their own product and they can just put in whatever they want. And it's sometimes feel you're being weird for being weird sake, which is kind of also a weird thing to do. Uh, but I mean, at least it's their vision and they, they have a, they want to make something so I can only applaud this for them.

[01:00:52] And I always enjoy Huma Kureshi on screen. So I'm happy that she was able to play kind of a badass here. Um, so yeah, more power to them. I hope this made money for them and it's not a bad movie at all. Um, yeah. Uh, Melanie says, Oh no, here, uh, Sujoy Bhai, are you from West Bengal? Uh, Vijay is asking. I'm not from West Bengal. That's all that you get today. Do not geolocate where Sujoy lives. Yeah.

[01:01:22] Uh, Melanie says, I would like you people to react on Dorothy when it comes out on, streaming with Amrita. It is a streaming, it is a stunning movie, moving film. Uh, yeah. If it comes out on streaming, any idea where it's coming out on? Uh, just checking. Is it, uh, coming on Netflix or not? Not yet available through reports.

[01:01:50] A tentative OTT release for October Netflix. Uh, okay. So maybe it will come on Netflix in a couple of weeks. That's what it's saying here. Uh, yeah, I don't even know the premise of it, but I know that a lot of people have been very positive about it. Um, so yeah, excited to watch it when it comes out. Um, any other things that you wanted to cover? So joy, anything else that we're missing? If I can, like the, from the movies that I watched in October,

[01:02:19] the first movie that I watched this, uh, this month was runner with, um, um, what was that? Reacher. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I love Reacher, man. I love it so much. I read the books and I watch the show and I watch the spin-off too. I watched, finished neatly two days ago. Yeah, yeah, I did too. Um, so this has, it's, so I only watched the, the, the poster of this movie, right. With Owen Wilson and him, and it looks like a buddy cop, like tough guy with funny guy thing.

[01:02:49] And it is definitely not that it's set in Brisbane. In Australia, there is an organ donation thing happening and things just escalate to a different level in this movie where, where the final 30 minutes of this movie is like made with so much action film ambition. It's insane. It's insane. It's very like pulsating action, but it, and like,

[01:03:17] it goes places where I didn't think that this movie would go. I would, it's a three and a half, uh, stars for me out of five on letterboxd. Um, because I, it looks like a stock three star action movie, but that final half hour chunk is just so good. No, it was on my list. Cause I'll watch anything with that. I also watched with him motor city. If you've not seen that one, which is a completely,

[01:03:46] it's a completely silent movie. Yeah. Like it's only music pretty much. And it's very interesting. I don't think it's entirely successful, but I like, it's just reach here. So I'll watch anything with him. I think it's amazing. Um, so I'm excited for this, but I, it is right. Like when I saw the posters of it, I did think it was one of those, uh, buddy cop, especially when you have Owen Wilson in it, it kind of bears into that. So I'm glad it's not this. Uh, I was thinking about if I should watch this one first or the uprising,

[01:04:15] which I'm also very excited to watch. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That I really want to watch that, which seems to be a secret Robin hood movie. Um, so yeah, one thing I want to watch, I'll talk about it now because I don't think we'll ever get to this again. Um, but I haven't finished it. So I know you have watched it, which is Awara Pant 2, which is on prime. I started watching it and I still have like 30, 40 minutes left maybe, but, uh,

[01:04:43] I just wanted to quickly go over because I know Amrita will never be watching Awara Pant. Um, you enjoyed it, right? I think you gave it like three out of five, right? Uh huh. Yeah. dude, I really jam with these movies, right? I don't know what it is. Like this is level of ridiculous emo-ness to these movies that I really appreciate that. Uh, I, obviously like the first one was a four out of five star movie, one that I've been pushing for so long. So I'm glad that they made a second one.

[01:05:11] And I'm also glad to see that I'm not the crazy person that really enjoyed this movie. That was actually, even the second one is a pretty good hit. Like even Ramesh and Kumar Thurani were talking about it on the podcast that this made a lot of money. So, uh, I, I kind of like the emo level that they have in this movie and I kind of vibe with it. Like this is the kind of movie where Imran Hashmi is in Bangkok and he's constantly wearing leather jackets over banyans in the humid heat of Bangkok. And we just accept it.

[01:05:40] Like this is a good fashion choice, but it's like, yeah, he just does it with the weird hair, you know? Um, I think I, so I haven't finished it all, but, uh, I'm just kind of pulling out the performances here. Like, um, there's obviously the crazy villain son who's played by Wamika Kabi's, Kabi's brother, Puran Kabi, I think if his name is, I think that doesn't work at all for me. Like he's in, in, in time, you know, like,

[01:06:09] and I also think they had a very weak father. Like they have this father that he's playing and he's dubbed oddly. And then Puran Kabi takes over that role as the crazy villain son. And he never, he's too small and too skinny to be that crazy. Right? Like, you know, I mean, yeah, like, Joffrey did it in a way, but he's not Joffrey. Yeah. It's, it never works for me. It never works that kind of coked out, crazy Joker kind of energy that so many actors kind of want to bring. And it rarely works for everybody.

[01:06:40] Right. Um, but the funny part is that is also stars, Disha Patni. And I want to talk quickly about it because I remember when we were talking about the welcome to the jungle, uh, Amrita asked me how Disha Patni was. And I couldn't say much because she didn't have much of a role. Unfortunately, here she has a role. Right. And I don't understand her as a performer anymore. Like, I don't understand, like, she's done quite a few movies. Right. Like, and it's like,

[01:07:10] she brings nothing to the cinema. Like, she's so pretty. Like she has all of the elements. She can do martial arts. She can do dancing. She obviously is statuously beautiful. Right. But none of those come into play in any movie she's in. I've never seen her actually kick ass. I've never seen her really. I don't know any songs that she's been in that I say, wow, kia dancing kar rahi hai, you know? Um, so it's like, what is she actually bringing? And I don't know if it's from her end or from the producers or the filmmakers end,

[01:07:40] but it's so sad. Like here, she's playing a rich girl. And, but she's also a rich girl that cannot buy a new cello for herself. Like it's, it's really weird. Like what are we doing? And plus she's like supposed to be this cello player. She only knows one tune. She's playing the same tune all the time. Like, it's so weird. Um, and then we have Shaban Azmi, who's really like bringing in that Jai Deep Alawat energy from Drisham 3. Um, but there's a, I just feel, felt so bad,

[01:08:10] right? There was a scene where Disha Patni was acting in front of Shaban Azmi together in the same room. And I was thinking, man, the level of difference in acting talent is so vast that it can break the space time continuum for all of us. Like reality can break here. Like the opposites are so strong. And then just, that to be hilarious. A new COVID strain could be, could have been found in that room. Yeah.

[01:08:40] Just because of, uh, how vast the difference was. Uh, and also like, Imran Hashmi takes his shirt off for a moment, but he has like really like, I mean, he's not a guy that's not in shape. Like clearly he's in shape, but they also need to enhance with these like abs that they spent on and something like that. And it's just hilarious to see. Cause like clearly, like he's not like that cut, you know, like he didn't have time, but it's, yeah, it's just like, we just go with it.

[01:09:10] Cause it's like, you know, like, yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Uh, nobody has talked about our upon two more than our podcast, by the way, nobody has talked as much about our upon as a whole, as I have. This is going to be my legacy. This is like, ask him, the guy, our upon. Yeah. Should we take the last question for the, for the episode? So Melanie asks,

[01:09:39] do you think Shah Rukh would take risks like fan zero now? Or do you think like Tom Cruise, people don't want, uh, don't want to see this to us, do something different after a while? I, it's interesting because I feel that question has been, especially being, it has been alive on Twitter for a lot, like for the last few months, I think, you know, especially when Digger came out. I think a lot of people were asking that question. Right. And I, I think Shah Rukh does take risks. Like,

[01:10:08] I think he has taken risks, uh, a lot of times, you know, and just before these three movies came out, all of his movies were risk pretty much. Like he was really trying to find something that connects with fan and race and, you know, um, uh, and then he also, I think the problem is with these guys is that they are, such industries. Like when they make a movie, like the, the composer is earning the filmographer, the cinematographer, it's his livelihood, the production company. So there's so many people.

[01:10:36] And I think that's also the problem that Salman has is like so many people are dependent on these people, um, that the quality sometimes takes a backseat. Um, I don't see Shah Rukh. I think Shah Rukh is in his big, big, like, I think Shah Rukh is in what Tom Cruise was in the last, last decade. I think that's what Shah Rukh is in now. Like I want to just make big action movies and big cinema again. So I feel that's what Shah Rukh is into now. Um,

[01:11:06] so I don't see it. I honestly don't see it. And what, like, what does he have after King? Has he announced anything? Not that I know, right? Like there's been rumors and stuff like that. Yeah. I kind of know what like Amir is working on and I kind of know what, um, Salman is working on, but I have no idea what Shah Rukh is even working on after this. So I think if you are waiting for that kind of like Shah Rukh taking risk kind of movies, I don't think, um, um,

[01:11:36] I think we'll have to wait for a little bit. Uh, so I think, unfortunately, I think he's in that mission impossible era. What do you think, Suja? Yeah. Same, but also like who's making different kinds of movies. It's not just the owners should not only fall on Shah Rukh to be making them. There are no creative industries who are like, I don't see Shah Rukh in an OTT movie. I don't see Shah Rukh in a, in a applause entertainment or whatever. Um, who are the other ones?

[01:12:06] I don't know. What applause, what's the three universe? Ah, yeah, yeah. Maddox and these guys. Maddox. I don't see Shah Rukh in a Maddox universe movie. He's too big for that also, right? Like he's big for that. Like, I think also a lot of the filmmakers that he kind of grew up with don't make as like, I can see him working with money retina again, right? For example, like if he has like some kind of like movie that he wants Shah Rukh back in like that, I see could work, but, uh, like, is he going to work again with Imtiaz?

[01:12:36] I don't know if that's going to happen. Like I see, I see Farah Khan coming back into the mall. Like, I think it could give a jump and boost to Farah's career and Shah Rukh to kind of do a kind of like a comedy, which he kind of likes hanging out with his friends. But I don't see him working with, you know, Raises, Raul Dulaqia or anything. I think those days are done for a while, unfortunately. maybe once Farah runs out of houses that she can go and barge into. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's,

[01:13:05] I must admit that I do enjoy those episodes whenever I watch them on a whim, but then how many do you make them? You know, it's because you watching Farah that now Salman is starting his YouTube channel, you know, so it's your fault. Like, you know, I, I avoid all of them. I just, I only watch Koman Lahata stuff. That's what I'm going to do. Only watch Koman Lahata things. Forget about everything else. That's all. Look at Lahata and Torani's. Yeah. That's all I need. That's all I need from the internet.

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