Prabh Deep talks DSP, Indian Hip Hop, Sez on the Beat, Azadi Records

Do I Like It?October 08, 202401:30:26

Prabh Deep talks DSP, Indian Hip Hop, Sez on the Beat, Azadi Records

Suno sunaao, aaya Prabh Deep. In this episode of 'Do I Like It', Prateek Lidhoo talks to one of the most creative artists of Indian hip hop, Prabh Deep. He just dropped his new mixtape 'DSP', and is all set for more music in the future. Watch this exclusive interview about the musicaln influences behind his albums 'Class Sikh', 'Tabia' and 'King EP'. He opens up about his time at Azadi Records, why he doesn't talk about it in media, and what young artists can do when the music industry gets involved. As we read out some of his lyrics, Prabh reflects on whether rappers should write about political issues in their raps. Watch till the end. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Prabh Deep talks DSP, Indian Hip Hop, Sez on the Beat, Azadi Records

Prabh Deep talks DSP, Indian Hip Hop, Sez on the Beat, Azadi Records

Suno sunaao, aaya Prabh Deep. In this episode of 'Do I Like It', Prateek Lidhoo talks to one of the most creative artists of Indian hip hop, Prabh Deep. He just dropped his new mixtape 'DSP', and is all set for more music in the future. Watch this exclusive interview about the musicaln influences behind his albums 'Class Sikh', 'Tabia' and 'King EP'. He opens up about his time at Azadi Records, why he doesn't talk about it in media, and what young artists can do when the music industry gets involved. As we read out some of his lyrics, Prabh reflects on whether rappers should write about political issues in their raps. Watch till the end.

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

[00:00:03] Hello and welcome to Do I Like It, a show where I talk to creators and help you make sense of culture.

[00:00:08] And today I am with you on the most coveted artist, one of the most creative artist I would say.

[00:00:17] We have Prabh Deep in the house, what's up bro? How are you doing?

[00:00:21] Thank you man. You have just dropped a project DSP, what's going on?

[00:00:26] I'm feeling very great right now about the project, how it's been received as well.

[00:00:32] How are you feeling like Delhi land?

[00:00:37] The eyes are coming out.

[00:00:40] It's coming out too.

[00:00:43] But it's like feeling proper, because I am very not sensitive to all of these pollution changes.

[00:00:50] So I don't know what I mean.

[00:00:52] I mean, it feels like it's in the mouth.

[00:00:56] And it feels like it's like the pollution is getting to the back,

[00:01:01] and I'm not staying down.

[00:01:03] So that's also the fear. Also my family is still here, so I want them to have better environment.

[00:01:11] It's more than me than their own.

[00:01:13] So you just moved to Goa, not just actually, you've been two or three years?

[00:01:18] Yeah.

[00:01:18] Three years?

[00:01:19] Yeah. So he moved to Goa three years ago.

[00:01:22] Yeah. And what was that like?

[00:01:25] So I…

[00:01:26] And why Goa?

[00:01:27] I moved there by accident actually.

[00:01:30] Okay.

[00:01:30] It was in plan.

[00:01:32] I moved, so basically I was…

[00:01:36] I was in Delhi.

[00:01:37] Okay.

[00:01:38] Which I was taking home.

[00:01:41] He had my whole profile checked,

[00:01:44] like what is your caste, what is your dharma,

[00:01:46] and we don't give you the caste.

[00:01:48] That was also the leader.

[00:01:49] Okay.

[00:01:51] And this was around your area?

[00:01:53] Tillaknagar.

[00:01:53] Yeah.

[00:01:54] I was in that area.

[00:01:55] Yeah.

[00:01:58] Then, I got to…

[00:01:59] I mean, it's coming up and coming up,

[00:02:02] that the next lockdown is going to happen again.

[00:02:04] So, I went to Goa,

[00:02:06] I started living with my friend,

[00:02:08] like for a month,

[00:02:09] and lockdown has been.

[00:02:12] It wasn't even made my friends with me,

[00:02:14] so we said,

[00:02:15] let's go see our house.

[00:02:17] Nice.

[00:02:18] So I only saw the house at night.

[00:02:19] Like after the night of the night,

[00:02:22] I decided to decide that,

[00:02:23] I didn't like this friend.

[00:02:25] I hated him that much,

[00:02:26] that I would have to be a big noise.

[00:02:28] I saw the house at night,

[00:02:30] and we moved there.

[00:02:33] Oh wow.

[00:02:35] And nobody asked about…

[00:02:37] I mean, the landlord never asked me,

[00:02:40] what is your dharma?

[00:02:42] What do you do?

[00:02:43] Where do you live from?

[00:02:46] That really…

[00:02:48] That freedom…

[00:02:50] that gave me a different feeling.

[00:02:54] Like being in Goa,

[00:02:55] that really nobody cares about…

[00:02:59] Just one human talking to another human.

[00:03:02] That's not that.

[00:03:04] That's also the case,

[00:03:05] that I'm a little bit accomplished,

[00:03:07] so they want more money from me,

[00:03:10] more resources from me.

[00:03:12] Just talk about what you want.

[00:03:13] Creative or business,

[00:03:15] you know.

[00:03:16] Everyone is looking at me.

[00:03:17] I didn't tell anyone…

[00:03:19] that it will be like this.

[00:03:23] So that's why Goa…

[00:03:25] You know, for me.

[00:03:27] And it gives me…

[00:03:28] It's not like I don't like Delhi,

[00:03:30] and I don't like Bombay.

[00:03:31] I still prefer…

[00:03:33] still spend half my time here.

[00:03:35] In Delhi?

[00:03:36] In Delhi, in Bombay.

[00:03:38] Mumbai.

[00:03:39] And there's a house in Tilaknagar?

[00:03:40] I also have a house in Tilaknagar.

[00:03:41] I have a house in Tilaknagar.

[00:03:42] I have a house in Delhi.

[00:03:43] Oh, nice.

[00:03:45] So…

[00:03:45] that was a dream.

[00:03:46] You know…

[00:03:47] To take my house to mom.

[00:03:49] Because you say in a lot of your songs that…

[00:03:52] you have lived on rent…

[00:03:53] whole life…

[00:03:54] so that's what I have to do with my house.

[00:03:56] Yes.

[00:03:57] Nice.

[00:03:57] So you have been a Delhi boy all your life, right?

[00:04:00] Still am.

[00:04:01] Still am.

[00:04:02] I will be…

[00:04:02] a Delhi boy.

[00:04:05] But what is other than this one thing where people don't judge each other…

[00:04:10] based on their identities and all?

[00:04:12] And…

[00:04:13] what are the things that are in Delhi…

[00:04:16] that are born and grown up in a human life?

[00:04:20] And how are the experiences of these?

[00:04:25] What I have felt…

[00:04:31] like here…

[00:04:32] if I have to write something here…

[00:04:36] I'm writing…

[00:04:37] and there is a time…

[00:04:39] while writing…

[00:04:41] when I need to take a walk.

[00:04:42] Hmm.

[00:04:43] So I'm in one zone.

[00:04:45] I'm writing one story.

[00:04:47] I take a walk.

[00:04:49] There is million things happening.

[00:04:53] Which will make me…

[00:04:56] and it will add on another layer on top…

[00:05:01] for me to go in a very different direction.

[00:05:05] This has been made personally with me.

[00:05:06] Hmm.

[00:05:07] What do you mean by others?

[00:05:10] What do you mean by others?

[00:05:12] You get the benefit from it.

[00:05:13] But personally…

[00:05:17] that Delhi…

[00:05:18] I think I have enough time in Delhi.

[00:05:21] Hmm.

[00:05:21] I have enough stories…

[00:05:24] from my neighbourhood,

[00:05:26] my surroundings,

[00:05:27] my environment.

[00:05:28] Now I need that time for me…

[00:05:31] to put blinders…

[00:05:34] and…

[00:05:35] I can write it.

[00:05:38] Because it's very intense…

[00:05:39] I'm writing the same thing…

[00:05:41] I'm writing the same thing…

[00:05:43] that's not coming from now.

[00:05:45] Yeah.

[00:05:45] You apparently worked on some ton of music…

[00:05:47] in Goa,

[00:05:48] which was released, right?

[00:05:50] Yeah.

[00:05:50] A couple of albums now.

[00:05:52] Wow.

[00:05:54] Hmm.

[00:05:55] So we're going to talk about one album…

[00:05:57] it's a mixtape for albums.

[00:05:59] Mix tape.

[00:06:00] Today…

[00:06:01] What is the difference?

[00:06:03] It's a mixtape.

[00:06:04] It's a mixtape.

[00:06:06] I mean, mixtape is very free-flowing.

[00:06:08] I mean, you can…

[00:06:12] I've been making songs for the last four years…

[00:06:15] I've been making songs for the last four years…

[00:06:16] I've put it in Tabya's unreleased tracks…

[00:06:20] And Brahm's unreleased tracks…

[00:06:22] So you have that distinction…

[00:06:24] that album is a concept, a story…

[00:06:26] and mixtape is just like a collection of songs.

[00:06:29] Yeah.

[00:06:30] Interesting.

[00:06:30] So we are going to talk about your mixtape DSP.

[00:06:33] Yeah.

[00:06:34] First of all, tell us what's called DSP.

[00:06:36] This tape is a good idea.

[00:06:38] You have to find people to find what's called DSP.

[00:06:41] DSP…

[00:06:41] In my mind, there are two DSPs.

[00:06:43] One is Spotify and other…

[00:06:45] all DSP.

[00:06:46] Digital streaming platform.

[00:06:48] And the other is Devi Shri Prasad.

[00:06:51] Wow.

[00:06:51] That's…

[00:06:53] That's interesting.

[00:06:56] But again…

[00:06:57] We don't have anything to do with both.

[00:06:58] Yeah.

[00:06:59] Okay.

[00:07:00] So if you know what DSP is…

[00:07:02] It's hidden in a plain sight.

[00:07:05] That's all I can say.

[00:07:07] Oh, wow.

[00:07:07] Okay.

[00:07:08] Nice. Interesting.

[00:07:09] So how did the sound of this project get this?

[00:07:13] Over the time.

[00:07:14] Over the time?

[00:07:14] Yeah.

[00:07:15] Like a song was made on the beach…

[00:07:19] an art figure…

[00:07:21] a bungalow made on the beach.

[00:07:23] and then a song was made in a very intense situation.

[00:07:29] Delhi and Goa mix.

[00:07:32] So different ways…

[00:07:35] like a song is in the Wajud…

[00:07:38] Wajud, Rafa, Robin Hood.

[00:07:40] These three songs were made in Tabea.

[00:07:44] Oh…

[00:07:45] Robin Hood's very synthy vibe.

[00:07:50] So this…

[00:07:52] fit in a way.

[00:07:53] Because these were…

[00:07:53] If you listen to it with Tabea…

[00:07:56] It goes…

[00:07:57] But it's not…

[00:07:58] It's very stronger for…

[00:08:00] Even Tabea.

[00:08:01] Yeah.

[00:08:02] It's stronger for DSP as well.

[00:08:04] Then I would add it to the end.

[00:08:06] End.

[00:08:06] Yeah.

[00:08:06] Before starting.

[00:08:08] And I knew…

[00:08:09] If it's not in the start…

[00:08:12] It's not a good thing.

[00:08:13] It's a good thing.

[00:08:14] It's heavy.

[00:08:16] Have you seen this comment on one of your Instagram posts…

[00:08:21] where you announce the album and somebody's like…

[00:08:24] Is it gonna be more of just…

[00:08:25] Look I'm so smart, I use synths in my music.

[00:08:30] How did you become this image?

[00:08:32] That I'm a synth-wala.

[00:08:34] I don't know.

[00:08:35] I don't know.

[00:08:36] It's…

[00:08:37] How does it happen?

[00:08:38] Like…

[00:08:38] Like…

[00:08:39] I used synths in the beach…

[00:08:42] I used a lot.

[00:08:45] Tabea Brahm…

[00:08:46] Even King EP has a lot of time.

[00:08:49] King EP's start, that's…

[00:08:51] King EP was more instruments.

[00:08:53] Like I recorded guitars…

[00:08:55] Bass, bass…

[00:08:56] Keys…

[00:08:57] You know.

[00:08:59] Tabea was more sonic.

[00:09:01] It was the idea of what I'm saying…

[00:09:05] And what sounds are the ones that need to back it.

[00:09:08] So it was…

[00:09:09] The sound was more designed…

[00:09:11] For the idea.

[00:09:13] So in that process…

[00:09:15] I fell in love with this whole synth thing.

[00:09:18] And when I…

[00:09:20] You'll have to pay a lot, Karin.

[00:09:23] I mean…

[00:09:24] I'm still broke.

[00:09:25] Yeah.

[00:09:27] Don't let my clothes fool you.

[00:09:29] It's all sourced.

[00:09:32] But…

[00:09:33] When I came to DSP…

[00:09:36] I packed everything.

[00:09:38] My Sarei Sindh, I was literally on laptop, sound card and speakers and mic.

[00:09:45] That's all.

[00:09:46] Which is just like you would do before.

[00:09:49] Yeah.

[00:09:50] Because I've seen your old set up in one of your interviews.

[00:09:53] It's very…

[00:09:54] Bed-by-bed.

[00:09:55] Yeah.

[00:09:56] But…

[00:09:57] Is that a little…

[00:09:58] Speaker's expensive.

[00:10:00] Ah…

[00:10:00] Nice.

[00:10:01] Nice monitors now.

[00:10:02] When did you get into production?

[00:10:06] So I started as a producer.

[00:10:09] Oh…

[00:10:09] Yeah.

[00:10:12] My mentor…

[00:10:14] Shot out Zan Tushits.

[00:10:16] OG guy from Delhi.

[00:10:20] So…

[00:10:21] He gave me a chance to record him.

[00:10:24] Okay.

[00:10:25] Back in the days.

[00:10:26] Like this is 2010-11.

[00:10:31] Ah…

[00:10:32] And…

[00:10:33] I remember like I was working in a call center and on Sundays and Saturdays…

[00:10:37] I was going to Delhi to Sonar Road.

[00:10:41] And…

[00:10:42] Something like that…

[00:10:43] Two hours of travel.

[00:10:45] Very excited.

[00:10:47] Super excited.

[00:10:49] I got a whole studio in my back and I was like…

[00:10:52] I'm gonna learn.

[00:10:53] So, so, I lost a lot of songs from him.

[00:10:57] I didn't know anything about how it was recorded.

[00:11:00] Like basically, he practiced on his vocals.

[00:11:02] Plus his vocals are so crazy.

[00:11:04] If you never heard him…

[00:11:05] Zan Tushits…

[00:11:06] Like check his vocals out.

[00:11:08] He's on one of the songs on Tabiya also, Alop.

[00:11:12] He's doing the hook.

[00:11:15] So…

[00:11:15] So, I recorded that.

[00:11:17] The first track I produced was for him.

[00:11:19] That he dumped.

[00:11:22] Luckily.

[00:11:23] Thank God.

[00:11:24] He dumped that.

[00:11:27] If he was released from Leek Week…

[00:11:30] What?

[00:11:31] All the synths…

[00:11:33] Look from the producer.

[00:11:35] All the synths reputations…

[00:11:38] F.L. Gies or F.L. Boobez.

[00:11:41] Ah…

[00:11:41] Boobez.

[00:11:43] Every new producer.

[00:11:45] Yes.

[00:11:47] Yeah.

[00:11:47] If somebody using Boobez…

[00:11:49] Means they're in the first year of their production.

[00:11:51] It's like his bass.

[00:11:53] I think…

[00:11:55] But no.

[00:11:56] F.L. Keys, Boobez…

[00:11:57] And Koji plugins.

[00:11:58] Yeah.

[00:11:58] Yeah.

[00:11:59] So that's how I started.

[00:12:01] That's how I started.

[00:12:02] That's how I started.

[00:12:02] Cracked the F.L. tab?

[00:12:03] Yeah.

[00:12:04] Of course.

[00:12:05] Now?

[00:12:05] Now you're getting all of it.

[00:12:07] Good.

[00:12:07] All my plugins, everything.

[00:12:09] Now you're making…

[00:12:11] Now you're not investing in music.

[00:12:13] Then you're making…

[00:12:13] This is where I spend most…

[00:12:15] Like I think…

[00:12:17] I'll check my accounts…

[00:12:19] But I think it's gonna be a very neck-to-neck battle between food and plugins.

[00:12:27] Nice.

[00:12:28] You know?

[00:12:28] These two things I spend my money on.

[00:12:30] A lot.

[00:12:32] Yeah.

[00:12:32] And what was the Indian Hip Hop or Delhi Hip Hop?

[00:12:38] What was the time of that time?

[00:12:40] Amazing.

[00:12:41] What was…

[00:12:41] Because today we see cyphers, gigs, battles.

[00:12:44] And then what was happening?

[00:12:46] Nothing.

[00:12:47] I mean…

[00:12:48] I mean…

[00:12:48] Like when we were shooting videos,

[00:12:49] That time there was a sea beam.

[00:12:52] Uh…

[00:12:53] Uh…

[00:12:53] Uh…

[00:12:53] This…

[00:12:55] MWA match up with attitude.

[00:12:57] Yeah.

[00:12:57] And all of the…

[00:12:58] You guys had Insignia community and all.

[00:13:01] Insignia.

[00:13:01] I was still a spectator back then.

[00:13:04] Uh-huh.

[00:13:04] I was not…

[00:13:06] Like I was just enjoying…

[00:13:08] Uh-huh.

[00:13:09] Like that time…

[00:13:10] Viewers…

[00:13:11] So Insignia time you weren't making music?

[00:13:13] I was there.

[00:13:13] I was…

[00:13:14] I wasn't writing.

[00:13:16] Uh-huh.

[00:13:16] I was…

[00:13:17] I was more on the making videos for other people.

[00:13:20] Got it.

[00:13:20] Uh-huh.

[00:13:21] Producing for other people kind of vibe.

[00:13:24] And uh…

[00:13:24] I was just like one of the…

[00:13:28] Like…

[00:13:29] Audience.

[00:13:30] Uh-huh.

[00:13:32] Audience.

[00:13:32] Uh-huh.

[00:13:32] Audience was a lot less.

[00:13:33] Uh-huh.

[00:13:34] And even though they were online?

[00:13:35] Even though they were online.

[00:13:36] Even though they were either rappers or scene.

[00:13:39] Mostly rappers.

[00:13:41] Yeah.

[00:13:41] And they were also people in the scene.

[00:13:43] Yeah.

[00:13:44] And that's the same thing.

[00:13:45] But I don't think so…

[00:13:46] That there are 100 people in total.

[00:13:48] Just for people who are not as aware.

[00:13:51] Who are today?

[00:13:51] Who are the superstar artists who were part of those early communities?

[00:13:57] I think Divine was there.

[00:14:00] Divine.

[00:14:00] Ravtar was there.

[00:14:02] To some extent…

[00:14:03] Like he was on…

[00:14:04] He was more on the mainstream and…

[00:14:06] Mainstream.

[00:14:07] But like he tried to communicate.

[00:14:09] At least…

[00:14:10] Uh…

[00:14:11] With the…

[00:14:12] Like even…

[00:14:13] When I was very big with him.

[00:14:15] Yeah.

[00:14:16] I was so online and he was very big.

[00:14:18] That's crazy.

[00:14:19] Now you're working with him.

[00:14:21] At that time he was not…

[00:14:23] He didn't…

[00:14:25] He didn't…

[00:14:26] I mean he didn't think that you were wrong.

[00:14:28] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:29] He was like let's have a conversation.

[00:14:30] About what?

[00:14:31] About whatever I was pissed about.

[00:14:34] Okay.

[00:14:34] Yeah.

[00:14:35] Now I think that's what I mean.

[00:14:36] I mean he's a bad guy.

[00:14:38] He's a bad guy.

[00:14:39] He's a bad guy.

[00:14:39] You know.

[00:14:40] I could have just like…

[00:14:41] I'll slid into his DMs and ask him bro.

[00:14:43] What's up?

[00:14:44] But at that time it's good to go online and do everything.

[00:14:49] And for the rappers' way of the rappers' way…

[00:14:52] Yes.

[00:14:54] Or…

[00:14:54] Luckily I'm out of it now.

[00:14:57] Yes.

[00:14:59] Nice.

[00:14:59] So yeah.

[00:15:00] Divine, Raftar…

[00:15:01] Heem is…

[00:15:02] Heem was there.

[00:15:03] Yes of course.

[00:15:04] Encore Bombaywala.

[00:15:06] Encore Bombaywala.

[00:15:07] Yes he was there.

[00:15:08] GD47 was there.

[00:15:09] Again Zan, Two Sheds.

[00:15:11] Slick, Two Sheds.

[00:15:13] These…

[00:15:13] And you guys like literally created…

[00:15:15] What we know as Indian Hip Hop today.

[00:15:21] MWA, Smokey…

[00:15:22] Of course.

[00:15:24] Of course.

[00:15:24] Of course.

[00:15:25] Nick.

[00:15:26] I feel like…

[00:15:29] I'm in the current wave.

[00:15:31] I consider myself in the current wave.

[00:15:34] At that time Krishna was there.

[00:15:37] Krishna, yes.

[00:15:37] He was…

[00:15:38] I think the first artist who was signed.

[00:15:42] Yeah.

[00:15:42] To a major.

[00:15:45] Prospect was his name.

[00:15:47] Yeah.

[00:15:49] But this…

[00:15:51] Even considering words like…

[00:15:54] Baatshya, Ani Singh, Raftar, Ikka…

[00:15:58] Ikka was there as an OG I guess.

[00:16:01] Like he was making…

[00:16:02] He had a duo called Nosobai.

[00:16:06] Back then with JB.

[00:16:08] Okay.

[00:16:10] I was inspired by that.

[00:16:12] The first time I picked up a band.

[00:16:14] Ikka is that one underrated figure in the history of hip hop.

[00:16:19] Because Krishna and Krishna, Ikka has been in very pivotal positions.

[00:16:24] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:25] Since day one.

[00:16:26] Yeah.

[00:16:26] Like I think he was…

[00:16:28] I don't know if Raftar would agree to this but he was there…

[00:16:33] He popped before everybody else.

[00:16:36] At least in underground.

[00:16:37] I mean…

[00:16:37] He was working with Gaurav Dyal, a producer.

[00:16:41] Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:42] He now does tutorials and all that.

[00:16:45] I don't know.

[00:16:45] They did a soundtrack for a very huge Hollywood film.

[00:16:50] Back in the days.

[00:16:52] Wow.

[00:16:53] JB and Ikka.

[00:16:54] So they also understood a lot of things that I am trying to understand now.

[00:17:01] Wow.

[00:17:02] Because they were in that environment.

[00:17:05] So they have a very big role of everyone.

[00:17:09] I don't know their names now.

[00:17:15] If they are new, then I won't.

[00:17:19] Our whole wave is in some place.

[00:17:21] We are still there.

[00:17:21] There are so many artists who have sadly passed away.

[00:17:24] Who were very pivotal in the scene.

[00:17:28] So, when you guys had a small community,

[00:17:33] 100 people,

[00:17:33] What's up in the Whatsapp group?

[00:17:37] Then…

[00:17:38] What was the end goal?

[00:17:40] What was the plan?

[00:17:41] Because I am clearly saying that

[00:17:44] we will release an album,

[00:17:45] we will make videos,

[00:17:46] we will brand it.

[00:17:47] That's not the plan.

[00:17:48] What was the plan?

[00:17:50] Why were you doing it?

[00:17:51] It was fun for me.

[00:17:52] I can't say about the whole scene.

[00:17:55] Why I did everything back then was to have fun.

[00:18:00] I was just having so much fun.

[00:18:03] Just being around rappers and like recording them and everything.

[00:18:07] For me, that was a big made it vibe.

[00:18:14] And what were you doing in life other than music?

[00:18:18] I was working in a call centre then that left me.

[00:18:21] Then I came full time into music.

[00:18:25] I thought I could do it.

[00:18:27] I can assist other creatives in their journey.

[00:18:32] Then my mind flipped in 2014.

[00:18:35] What happened?

[00:18:37] I mean…

[00:18:38] I mean…

[00:18:39] I mean…

[00:18:39] I mean, I work for others.

[00:18:42] I work fast.

[00:18:43] I like doing…

[00:18:46] If it's my idea,

[00:18:47] I need to complete it.

[00:18:49] If the others are getting on my mind…

[00:18:52] I mean, I'm getting on my mind.

[00:18:55] I'm getting on my mind.

[00:18:55] I'm getting on my mind.

[00:18:55] My job is getting on that.

[00:18:57] Then I'm…

[00:18:59] I just got tired of doing this.

[00:19:01] And even working with a lot of people after I started making music.

[00:19:07] Producers and all.

[00:19:09] Even collaborators,

[00:19:11] who have lost their work.

[00:19:13] They slow it out, you know.

[00:19:16] It doesn't have a little vibe.

[00:19:18] So, I'm getting on my mind too.

[00:19:20] And then, music wasn't coming to Prabdeep's name?

[00:19:23] What was the first crack that you put out?

[00:19:27] I think it was inspired by…

[00:19:30] This one's Encore of Bombay.

[00:19:32] It was a song on SoundCloud.

[00:19:36] 4 AM freestyle.

[00:19:37] 3 AM freestyle?

[00:19:39] 4 AM.

[00:19:39] So, I also inspired that.

[00:19:41] I made a 4 AM…

[00:19:43] Or 5 AM freestyle.

[00:19:45] I was sitting in my room.

[00:19:47] Nice.

[00:19:47] So, that first song was not there.

[00:19:50] I was not singing before.

[00:19:50] I was singing before.

[00:19:52] That's why I didn't do that.

[00:19:53] Why do artists like that?

[00:19:54] When they grow up,

[00:19:55] they grow up.

[00:19:56] Why do they grow up?

[00:19:56] They grow up.

[00:19:57] I don't know.

[00:19:58] I always make it.

[00:19:59] I don't know.

[00:20:00] I didn't even know.

[00:20:01] I lost it.

[00:20:02] Because this reminds me of…

[00:20:04] I've done a episode on Big Dogs.

[00:20:07] Hanuman Kind.

[00:20:08] And he had dropped a Mario,

[00:20:11] Super Mario theme.

[00:20:13] It was a great cast.

[00:20:15] One time I listened to it.

[00:20:16] In 2017-2018.

[00:20:19] I'm sure it was a video on YouTube,

[00:20:21] but he didn't have a video.

[00:20:21] Yeah.

[00:20:22] So, why do you do that?

[00:20:24] I can't say anything else,

[00:20:26] but my career is my mind.

[00:20:30] So, is it more like a curation thing?

[00:20:32] I can manipulate the audience the way I want to.

[00:20:35] And I will.

[00:20:38] The audience has manipulated so much,

[00:20:40] everyone has manipulated me so much,

[00:20:42] that you are talking about me.

[00:20:44] So, I will…

[00:20:47] Like I'm seeing this as a…

[00:20:50] One big…

[00:20:52] Discography.

[00:20:53] Discography thing.

[00:20:55] So, it's not just one…

[00:20:57] That one…

[00:20:58] Like I remember…

[00:20:59] Sanjali Labansali said in an interview,

[00:21:02] that my biggest fear is that I don't shoot this bad frame in life.

[00:21:09] I want to be perfect.

[00:21:11] That I don't want to be perfect.

[00:21:12] That I don't want to be an ugly, shabby frame.

[00:21:14] Thank you for considering me in the same sentence as Sanjali Labansali.

[00:21:21] No, I mean…

[00:21:22] This is what I am going for.

[00:21:25] And as an artist, you always strive for perfection.

[00:21:28] Yeah, I mean, my name is Greats.

[00:21:30] I am working for that.

[00:21:32] After going to me, not yet.

[00:21:34] My lifetime…

[00:21:35] I know that my life,

[00:21:37] I will not reach the job where I have to reach.

[00:21:41] After I die, people will ask me to ask me.

[00:21:44] That's all I know.

[00:21:45] And is legacy something that you are…

[00:21:47] I don't give a f*** about the legacy.

[00:21:49] But, I mean,

[00:21:50] how do you remember me after that?

[00:21:51] Is that something that you do?

[00:21:52] No, that's not.

[00:21:53] People…

[00:21:53] I know that this is a world that runs like this.

[00:21:57] Like, everyone will add a story.

[00:21:59] How good it was France Kaaf.

[00:22:02] Yes, what happened to that?

[00:22:03] Exactly.

[00:22:05] You know, Shekhov.

[00:22:07] Like so…

[00:22:09] I made peace with it.

[00:22:11] Just like very recently.

[00:22:14] And it made me move very freely now.

[00:22:18] Now I am moving very freely.

[00:22:20] With this thought that you are not going to happen in this lifetime.

[00:22:24] You are not going to get you.

[00:22:25] And that understanding has kicked in.

[00:22:28] Fully.

[00:22:30] Fully.

[00:22:30] And when did this happen?

[00:22:34] Like…

[00:22:34] Not even…

[00:22:35] I think a month ago.

[00:22:36] Oh, okay.

[00:22:38] And is there anything specific that triggered this thing?

[00:22:41] I have seen my hair and it's getting red.

[00:22:46] Like looking myself in the mirror,

[00:22:48] like just very stressed and I am like…

[00:22:51] For what?

[00:22:55] For what?

[00:22:57] For…

[00:22:58] What this…

[00:22:59] Like if I see it in a grand scale,

[00:23:02] 1.2 billion people now in this country.

[00:23:08] Only…

[00:23:09] And growing.

[00:23:10] Yeah, 2.30 a month.

[00:23:13] Listening to me.

[00:23:14] Let's get all the platforms.

[00:23:17] Half a million.

[00:23:20] So…

[00:23:21] It's not stress.

[00:23:23] It's not the same.

[00:23:24] It's not the same.

[00:23:26] It's not the same.

[00:23:27] No point.

[00:23:27] My…

[00:23:28] My…

[00:23:28] Things will…

[00:23:29] My music will be discovered at one point.

[00:23:32] Maybe my life is true,

[00:23:34] but it's bigger.

[00:23:36] It's bigger.

[00:23:37] If it's not,

[00:23:37] then I know that one day,

[00:23:39] it's bigger and bigger.

[00:23:40] That's what I'm making.

[00:23:41] And the other thing…

[00:23:43] My audience…

[00:23:43] It's for my grandkids.

[00:23:46] It's for my lineage.

[00:23:48] It's for my lineage.

[00:23:49] Like…

[00:23:49] I don't have any document to read

[00:23:54] where I'm coming from.

[00:23:56] But it's for my lineage.

[00:23:58] Yeah.

[00:23:59] That…

[00:24:00] There was a crazy person in our lineage.

[00:24:03] Who…

[00:24:03] Who…

[00:24:04] Who…

[00:24:04] Who…

[00:24:04] Who…

[00:24:04] Who…

[00:24:05] Who…

[00:24:08] Who…

[00:24:09] Who…

[00:24:18] Who…

[00:24:23] Who…

[00:24:23] Who…

[00:24:25] Who…

[00:24:25] What was going on in that time?

[00:24:26] This is after you had started

[00:24:27] to start a little…

[00:24:28] A little…

[00:24:29] A little…

[00:24:30] A few songs.

[00:24:31] That one was from the hip hop.

[00:24:33] Yeah.

[00:24:34] Cypher type.

[00:24:35] Yeah.

[00:24:36] That was from the hip hop.

[00:24:37] That's what I produced.

[00:24:39] Five songs.

[00:24:40] That was from Delhi Mixtape.

[00:24:41] Yeah.

[00:24:43] Besides that, I think…

[00:24:45] I was in a very angry state of mind.

[00:24:48] Okay.

[00:24:50] Angry on society.

[00:24:52] Angry on…

[00:24:54] The government.

[00:24:55] Angry on…

[00:24:56] The circumstances I grew up in.

[00:24:59] Okay.

[00:25:00] Okay.

[00:25:00] I mean, my thought was that…

[00:25:02] I did not sign up for this.

[00:25:04] Nah.

[00:25:05] You know?

[00:25:06] Why?

[00:25:07] Why did my mother have been born in this mess?

[00:25:11] I mean…

[00:25:13] I mean…

[00:25:13] I didn't see a good state of mind.

[00:25:16] I didn't see good things.

[00:25:17] I didn't see good things.

[00:25:18] I didn't give money.

[00:25:19] True.

[00:25:20] That was the state of mind.

[00:25:21] Or young too.

[00:25:22] You know rebellion…

[00:25:23] Yeah.

[00:25:23] It was my start of the rebellion.

[00:25:24] And I started rapping…

[00:25:26] My people…

[00:25:30] What do I do rap?

[00:25:31] Who do you?

[00:25:32] You know?

[00:25:33] Like…

[00:25:34] I was bullied.

[00:25:35] Okay.

[00:25:37] I was bullied by the cast.

[00:25:39] I was bullied by the cast.

[00:25:39] Then…

[00:25:40] I was bullied by the hip hop.

[00:25:42] Because I didn't understand my people.

[00:25:45] In the country, I didn't do anything.

[00:25:47] I mean…

[00:25:48] I mean…

[00:25:49] I was like…

[00:25:50] I was like…

[00:25:50] I'll kill you.

[00:25:54] But…

[00:25:55] The core value of the project was…

[00:26:00] To make the young ones who will come after me…

[00:26:04] From…

[00:26:05] This…

[00:26:05] Neighborhoods…

[00:26:06] Neighborhoods like mine…

[00:26:07] Yeah.

[00:26:08] They listen to it.

[00:26:08] They understand…

[00:26:10] How to crack it.

[00:26:11] Because I cracked it.

[00:26:12] With Classic.

[00:26:13] Yeah.

[00:26:13] Like it opened up…

[00:26:16] On second number…

[00:26:17] On…

[00:26:17] Apple Music.

[00:26:18] I remember…

[00:26:19] G-Mane was a…

[00:26:20] Big thing.

[00:26:22] Yeah.

[00:26:22] Yeah.

[00:26:24] So…

[00:26:24] That was the core of it.

[00:26:26] Writing wise…

[00:26:27] My…

[00:26:28] And like…

[00:26:29] Talking about…

[00:26:31] Stories…

[00:26:32] What I really saw.

[00:26:34] Not…

[00:26:35] Not…

[00:26:37] Glorifying…

[00:26:38] Like poverty.

[00:26:40] Like…

[00:26:40] Glorifying…

[00:26:41] Like this…

[00:26:42] To…

[00:26:44] Ah…

[00:26:45] The only thing…

[00:26:45] And,

[00:26:46] Mm-hmm.

[00:26:50] Where help is it...

[00:26:51] Am I on the right?

[00:26:53] Yeah.

[00:26:53] It was my whole thought process.

[00:26:56] To finish a loan…

[00:26:58] G-Main,

[00:26:59] Don't pay the loan..

[00:26:59] Give the loan…

[00:27:02] As if I'm Samsona…

[00:27:04] And,

[00:27:04] M-hmm.

[00:27:05] So what about growing up in your neighborhood, Dilak Nagar, West Delhi?

[00:27:12] What was the thing that was so nihilism in life?

[00:27:17] I mean, I was the only one I think.

[00:27:21] I was just chilling around.

[00:27:23] Okay.

[00:27:23] You know?

[00:27:25] And I think I was born with it.

[00:27:28] I was born an artist.

[00:27:29] Because I was very emotional in my view.

[00:27:33] I was like, I know how to channel it now.

[00:27:37] I didn't understand how to do it.

[00:27:39] How do I keep my point?

[00:27:43] Like what? Give me an example.

[00:27:45] So, as I know that

[00:27:49] I'm getting an artist,

[00:27:53] I'm getting an artist who is exploiting.

[00:27:56] He's not on the level of small,

[00:27:59] He's going to perform at a venue and he's getting an exploit.

[00:28:02] He's going to perform at a venue.

[00:28:03] You can't give it on the new year.

[00:28:05] You can't give it on the new year.

[00:28:08] You can't give it on the 500 rupees.

[00:28:18] I'm doing it.

[00:28:19] I'm doing it.

[00:28:20] Okay?

[00:28:21] Now, if I see something that happens, I'm going to tackle it.

[00:28:29] In a calm state of mind, take a little time and think about what the people have done.

[00:28:37] I'm also going to decide on the side of it.

[00:28:39] And what is the middle ground?

[00:28:42] Trying to find a solution rather than dwelling on the problem.

[00:28:46] Okay.

[00:28:47] At that time, I was going to fall.

[00:28:50] I fought.

[00:28:52] At that time, the time that made me the environment, I didn't try to break it.

[00:29:00] I didn't try to understand it.

[00:29:02] For me, it was easier to…

[00:29:05] So basically, that thing, those little things used to make me sad.

[00:29:12] I didn't try to express sadness.

[00:29:19] Every time I tried to do it, either it was suppressed or laughed on.

[00:29:25] And even if you were a man, you would know.

[00:29:28] You know.

[00:29:28] And in Delhi.

[00:29:30] In Delhi.

[00:29:31] In Tilaknagar.

[00:29:32] Yeah.

[00:29:33] Yeah.

[00:29:33] You don't want to be seen as a weak guy, you know?

[00:29:37] You can lose your knowledge.

[00:29:39] Exactly.

[00:29:40] Next time you're in a different setting and you might get…

[00:29:45] Yeah.

[00:29:46] So…

[00:29:48] So, my sadness, I always had anger.

[00:29:52] It was easier.

[00:29:53] Yeah.

[00:29:54] For me to just be angry.

[00:29:56] I think sadness suppressed, in many cases, anger is also made.

[00:30:00] It was like a surprise.

[00:30:01] But it was like that.

[00:30:01] Sad, anger.

[00:30:02] Sad, anger.

[00:30:03] And then I was around people who was…

[00:30:07] Like pushing that anger out.

[00:30:10] Like it was…

[00:30:11] I mean, I would gaslight myself, yes, do it.

[00:30:14] For years.

[00:30:16] Because angry man, I think, is a good spectacle to watch.

[00:30:20] Yeah.

[00:30:21] It sells.

[00:30:22] Yeah.

[00:30:23] Exactly.

[00:30:24] It sells.

[00:30:24] I think my number went down after…

[00:30:27] I'm like little…

[00:30:29] Yeah, I'm thinking a little bit.

[00:30:31] After that, the number is a little bit lower.

[00:30:36] Can I tell you something?

[00:30:37] Give me a little bit more.

[00:30:39] Give me a little bit more.

[00:30:41] Give me a little bit more.

[00:30:42] Give me a little bit more.

[00:30:42] I'll get you.

[00:30:43] I'll get you.

[00:30:43] I'll get you.

[00:30:44] I'll get you.

[00:30:45] I wanted to ask you,

[00:30:46] what's the classic song song that is next?

[00:30:49] I don't remember which song song is.

[00:30:51] Past or future song?

[00:30:52] Where there are fights?

[00:30:53] Past, yes.

[00:30:55] Past.

[00:30:55] Yeah.

[00:30:56] Was that a true story?

[00:30:57] Yes.

[00:30:58] Who was with you?

[00:31:00] Okay.

[00:31:01] Yeah.

[00:31:02] Wow.

[00:31:02] It was a very intense night.

[00:31:05] Yeah.

[00:31:06] Actually, he told us that.

[00:31:08] We had it.

[00:31:09] Because you couldn't shoot it in the second.

[00:31:12] Okay.

[00:31:14] We didn't have the budget.

[00:31:15] That video was made in 5000.

[00:31:17] Shorter to…

[00:31:18] It's a pretty slick video.

[00:31:19] Yeah, man.

[00:31:20] A big video.

[00:31:21] Director, he's been to the States now.

[00:31:24] Oh, nice.

[00:31:26] And he worked with Travis now.

[00:31:28] So…

[00:31:29] Wow.

[00:31:33] But…

[00:31:33] Second half,

[00:31:35] police station shoot a little bit of a bit.

[00:31:37] We had to get into that.

[00:31:39] So, we had to get into that.

[00:31:40] So, that was a story.

[00:31:41] That was a scene of police scene.

[00:31:41] Yes, of course.

[00:31:44] In the place,

[00:31:44] I mean,

[00:31:45] there were 50-60 people in the neighborhood.

[00:31:49] It was like a full-fledged…

[00:31:52] There were like…

[00:31:54] OGs.

[00:31:55] Like…

[00:31:55] Uncles who…

[00:31:56] 40-45 years old…

[00:31:58] Uncles who…

[00:32:00] Uncles who…

[00:32:00] They're all doing their whole life.

[00:32:02] They're explaining it to me.

[00:32:04] How…

[00:32:05] So, I have police.

[00:32:08] Who has this whole thing done with me…

[00:32:12] He was looking for police.

[00:32:14] He was looking for police.

[00:32:15] One week.

[00:32:16] Because this wasn't the first time he was doing this.

[00:32:18] He was doing so much.

[00:32:20] Yeah.

[00:32:20] Anyway…

[00:32:21] In the video we see that ganglang…

[00:32:23] He was also doing it.

[00:32:24] Four-five people.

[00:32:25] So…

[00:32:25] They were on my side.

[00:32:27] Yes, I mean, they were three people.

[00:32:28] They were on daily stage.

[00:32:30] Yeah.

[00:32:32] And this cop came to me and he's like…

[00:32:35] My duty is at 7 o'clock.

[00:32:38] It was at 4 o'clock.

[00:32:39] It was at 3 o'clock.

[00:32:40] It was at 3 o'clock.

[00:32:41] It was at 3 o'clock.

[00:32:41] I said,

[00:32:42] I was at 7 o'clock.

[00:32:44] I was going to take him inside.

[00:32:46] I was going to lockup.

[00:32:46] I would have two.

[00:32:47] I would have to kill him.

[00:32:48] Until 7 o'clock.

[00:32:50] Okay.

[00:32:51] Because he attacked…

[00:32:53] Like on my house, he attacked my dad.

[00:32:55] Yeah.

[00:32:56] Like it wasn't…

[00:32:58] It wasn't…

[00:32:58] It wasn't a small thing.

[00:32:58] It wasn't a small thing.

[00:32:59] It wasn't a small thing.

[00:33:01] Then this OG from my neighbor O'De…

[00:33:05] Pulled me aside.

[00:33:06] He was like,

[00:33:06] Look, you take this decision now.

[00:33:10] You put the case on it and kill him.

[00:33:13] You can kill him.

[00:33:13] We won't say anything.

[00:33:15] But this will be the police side.

[00:33:17] After this evening.

[00:33:20] You also live in that area.

[00:33:21] This girl also lives in that area.

[00:33:23] It will be a problem for you.

[00:33:27] Like it…

[00:33:29] What you want to do in life…

[00:33:31] It will create problems in your…

[00:33:36] Life.

[00:33:37] Personal things.

[00:33:38] And professional as well.

[00:33:41] And I understood.

[00:33:42] I have withdrawn.

[00:33:43] I have compromised.

[00:33:45] It's okay.

[00:33:47] It's okay.

[00:33:48] It's okay.

[00:33:48] You've gained a lot of money from that incident.

[00:33:51] You got me a story bro.

[00:33:53] Like…

[00:33:54] It's just mine.

[00:33:57] That's right.

[00:33:58] It's also there.

[00:34:01] So usually, like…

[00:34:03] I don't talk about people's exes and all.

[00:34:07] But…

[00:34:08] I will break that rule with you.

[00:34:10] Because I want to talk about…

[00:34:11] And I remember from classics…

[00:34:14] That…

[00:34:15] You have an ex who is called Seize On The Beat.

[00:34:19] He was…

[00:34:20] I think…

[00:34:21] Pivotal in your early albums.

[00:34:24] Early sound.

[00:34:25] What was working with him like?

[00:34:27] I think I was pivotal in his career.

[00:34:30] In early days.

[00:34:31] Both were…

[00:34:32] I think…

[00:34:32] I would say that…

[00:34:34] You were…

[00:34:35] No, I mean like…

[00:34:36] I can still survive…

[00:34:39] Doing acapellas.

[00:34:42] Okay. Got it.

[00:34:43] Get me?

[00:34:46] So…

[00:34:47] For me, it was like that from the beginning.

[00:34:49] But now it's like that.

[00:34:50] I don't have to be really need someone.

[00:34:52] Even though collaborators I work with now…

[00:34:55] I'm grateful for them.

[00:34:57] I'm grateful for them.

[00:34:58] I'm grateful for the art.

[00:34:59] Yeah.

[00:35:00] Specifically what I've created…

[00:35:02] I'm grateful for classic also.

[00:35:04] Yeah.

[00:35:05] It's not like I'm…

[00:35:06] Exactly.

[00:35:07] I don't like that project.

[00:35:08] I don't like that project.

[00:35:09] Great times…

[00:35:11] We had.

[00:35:13] And when your ideology…

[00:35:17] Changes.

[00:35:18] When you see your closed ones as competition.

[00:35:24] That's where it gets tricky.

[00:35:26] Because from my start…

[00:35:27] My crew scene was very strong.

[00:35:29] I tried to bring people up with me.

[00:35:32] Yeah.

[00:35:33] They started seeing me differently when…

[00:35:36] I reached somewhere.

[00:35:39] Okay.

[00:35:39] They thought I'd reach alone.

[00:35:40] Mm-hmm.

[00:35:42] But it wasn't like that from my side…

[00:35:45] I was like,

[00:35:47] And…

[00:35:48] Again, I'll be very diplomatic about it.

[00:35:51] Because…

[00:35:52] I'm not getting hype here.

[00:35:54] I'll never give up.

[00:35:54] I'll never give up.

[00:35:56] Because…

[00:35:56] I've done my job.

[00:35:58] Yeah.

[00:35:58] Yeah.

[00:35:59] Kisii ne bhi meres saath kam kiya hai na.

[00:36:01] Or koji bolta hai ki usne meres ko banaya agar…

[00:36:03] Aisan nahi kiya hai.

[00:36:05] Nahi kisi ne meres ko banaya hai.

[00:36:08] Mane apne aapko kud banaya hai.

[00:36:10] Agar tumne meres saath kam kiya hai, you got paid for it.

[00:36:14] You took your money.

[00:36:15] It's not like tumne free mein kam kiya hai.

[00:36:17] You got your percentage from it.

[00:36:20] So…

[00:36:20] Let's just keep it at that.

[00:36:23] But what was…

[00:36:25] Like I'm talking about creatively what was working with him like.

[00:36:28] Because tum do no ka ek time pa ar…

[00:36:30] It was good.

[00:36:31] That was a big collaboration.

[00:36:32] It was good until…

[00:36:34] Like one point…

[00:36:37] Where I wanted to…

[00:36:39] So…

[00:36:40] Maya Amar…

[00:36:41] Was the time where…

[00:36:43] We parted ways.

[00:36:44] I think last song,

[00:36:45] I remember the song that was in Patal Lok.

[00:36:48] Last song that was also happened like classic time pa he hua.

[00:36:52] That was also happened like classic time pa he hua.

[00:36:52] That was in the time pa he had.

[00:36:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:36:53] So it was…

[00:36:54] I remember you had performed that on…

[00:36:58] Azaadi ka third year ka koi anniversary gig wa tha.

[00:37:01] Hmm…

[00:37:01] Haan free.

[00:37:01] Haan free ke shows kar rate da wo.

[00:37:04] Haan pa…

[00:37:04] Haan pa…

[00:37:04] Kabhi paise nahi mile.

[00:37:06] Haan?

[00:37:06] Haan?

[00:37:07] Haan or kya?

[00:37:08] Sara kiya bhai.

[00:37:09] Jitney azaadi meri ko to last wale ki bhi nahi mile.

[00:37:12] Okay.

[00:37:14] But yeah…

[00:37:15] Working with Saez as a producer like purely as two musicians working with each other.

[00:37:19] That was the time.

[00:37:20] I think…

[00:37:22] I don't know, I don't consume his music anymore.

[00:37:25] Okay.

[00:37:25] But jitna maine uske saath kiya his sound selection was pristine.

[00:37:31] Hmm.

[00:37:32] Nobody was giving that kind of quality back then.

[00:37:35] Yeah.

[00:37:36] You know, like he was the first one to do it.

[00:37:39] Yeah.

[00:37:40] To bring that sound, that pristine quality.

[00:37:45] Yeah.

[00:37:46] That was definitely there.

[00:37:49] But I am more musically out there.

[00:37:56] You know, so I almost…

[00:37:58] Production versus music wa la jo cheez hai.

[00:38:03] Haan.

[00:38:03] Haan.

[00:38:03] So my that was a good thing.

[00:38:05] Like I'm like, I go out a lot.

[00:38:08] To get inspiration.

[00:38:12] You know, like I go travel, meet people, meet musicians.

[00:38:16] And with this Maya Amar also, I…

[00:38:20] That's a different trip, bro.

[00:38:22] That's a…

[00:38:22] Haan.

[00:38:23] Haan.

[00:38:23] We parted ways.

[00:38:25] Musically also.

[00:38:26] Musically also.

[00:38:26] Haan.

[00:38:27] You know?

[00:38:29] Haan.

[00:38:30] That's a personal relationship, but that aside, but musically…

[00:38:32] You see, you hear it, like how different it is from like classic…

[00:38:37] Which says produced and I produced King.

[00:38:42] Yeah.

[00:38:42] Two different worlds altogether, you know?

[00:38:44] I would even argue…

[00:38:45] A lot of people stopped taking you seriously as a rapper…

[00:38:51] Because of albums like Maya and in sub-productions.

[00:38:54] Because that wasn't hip hop.

[00:38:56] Yeah.

[00:38:57] I mean, that was something else.

[00:38:59] I also took… I also started taking…

[00:39:03] Hello?

[00:39:03] Hip hop…

[00:39:04] Yeah.

[00:39:05] I mean, I wasn't even watching the rapper too.

[00:39:07] Exactly.

[00:39:08] Because I was a producer and again…

[00:39:13] Like…

[00:39:13] To keep on holding someone's voice.

[00:39:17] They're doing it.

[00:39:18] And then I'm like, okay, then I'll do it myself.

[00:39:21] That was Maya Amar and all these songs.

[00:39:24] Do you want to work with him again?

[00:39:26] With his?

[00:39:27] Because…

[00:39:27] I don't think so.

[00:39:28] I'm just telling you, if you say yes, the public will be crazy.

[00:39:32] Because…

[00:39:33] I mean, like if there is an opportunity…

[00:39:36] Like…

[00:39:37] If someone…

[00:39:38] See, I'll work with anyone.

[00:39:41] There is no hard feeling for me that I'm not going to do it.

[00:39:45] I will.

[00:39:46] Well…

[00:39:47] If there is a setting that…

[00:39:51] That…

[00:39:53] The project is purpose driven.

[00:39:56] Whether it's my name.

[00:39:59] Whether it's his purpose or third person's purpose.

[00:40:02] And if I like that purpose, then I'll definitely…

[00:40:05] Interesting.

[00:40:06] I'll work.

[00:40:07] I have seen this a lot about your interactions in media.

[00:40:13] That you don't talk about your time of freedom.

[00:40:17] Yes.

[00:40:18] Dark times.

[00:40:19] Yes.

[00:40:19] Why is that?

[00:40:20] Because for us, looking from the outside,

[00:40:24] freedom was a very important milestone in Indian hip-hop.

[00:40:30] I mean, I'll liken it to the old cash money type.

[00:40:34] There's one producer who is making all the beats.

[00:40:38] There's one main artist.

[00:40:39] There's two other small artists.

[00:40:41] It's like a…

[00:40:42] It's like a…

[00:40:43] It was the first thing that we saw on the label.

[00:40:45] But then suddenly we see that…

[00:40:49] And we're all in the same way.

[00:40:51] One, one, one, one, one, one…

[00:40:52] So what was that?

[00:40:53] One, one, one, one, one…

[00:40:55] I didn't have crumbled down.

[00:40:55] I had two crumbled down.

[00:40:57] Okay.

[00:40:59] Look at it.

[00:41:00] I left.

[00:41:02] Everybody left.

[00:41:04] Okay.

[00:41:06] I was the first artist.

[00:41:08] I came in.

[00:41:10] Everybody came in.

[00:41:11] I left.

[00:41:12] Everybody left.

[00:41:15] Okay.

[00:41:19] I'll talk about this another thing.

[00:41:20] I'll talk about it so much.

[00:41:21] I won't talk about it.

[00:41:22] Because…

[00:41:27] Many people have said a lot about me when I came online.

[00:41:31] Okay.

[00:41:31] Publicly.

[00:41:33] Not once, not twice.

[00:41:35] Especially when I was in my grief period.

[00:41:38] I lost my dad and these people came online, came publicly, kicked me while I was down.

[00:41:45] Hmm.

[00:41:46] I didn't say anything.

[00:41:49] And I'm still not gonna say anything right now.

[00:41:52] I'll say my side of the story when it's convenient to me.

[00:41:57] Hmm.

[00:41:57] Because I've given a lot of years in my life.

[00:42:01] That label.

[00:42:02] I gave my money to that label.

[00:42:04] I gave my music to that label.

[00:42:06] Hmm.

[00:42:07] If you take out my catalogue from there, see where the value is.

[00:42:14] True.

[00:42:17] So, I'll come out with my side of the story when…

[00:42:21] Even if it's like 10 years from now.

[00:42:23] But there is a story.

[00:42:24] Very, very intense.

[00:42:27] Your side of the story.

[00:42:27] Very intense.

[00:42:27] Very intense story.

[00:42:28] When it will come out, people will sit and watch.

[00:42:34] Because I'll tell you how I as a…

[00:42:38] I mean, person who's a little tuned in but who doesn't know the inside of it.

[00:42:42] It was like everything was so big.

[00:42:45] You guys were really like ruling.

[00:42:48] And then what happened?

[00:42:50] Like I think one question that everybody has is, what happened?

[00:42:53] I'll come out with my side of the things.

[00:42:55] Hmm.

[00:42:56] Again, when I'm…

[00:42:57] When it's convenient for me.

[00:42:59] Because I'll go five years of convenience.

[00:43:01] Hmm.

[00:43:03] Let's not say five before.

[00:43:04] Two years ago.

[00:43:05] The rest of the four, I'll go on convenience.

[00:43:07] Hmm.

[00:43:08] Hmm.

[00:43:08] Like the label is on that label.

[00:43:11] I'm going to go on with it.

[00:43:11] Hmm.

[00:43:13] Now it's time when I feel like talking, I'll talk.

[00:43:17] If someone else has given a diss, I'll do any of this.

[00:43:20] Hmm.

[00:43:21] Hmm.

[00:43:22] I'm not saying anything.

[00:43:22] The thing that's been healing for so many years.

[00:43:24] Hmm.

[00:43:25] I think my priority is not my priority anymore.

[00:43:29] Like I…

[00:43:29] They don't exist in my reality.

[00:43:32] Hmm.

[00:43:33] I'm trying to move away from them.

[00:43:36] And, again, when I'll come out with my story,

[00:43:40] Hmm.

[00:43:42] Hmm.

[00:43:42] Doesn't matter what time it is.

[00:43:43] It won't be a reaction to anything that has been said.

[00:43:46] Hmm.

[00:43:47] Hmm.

[00:43:47] Makes sense.

[00:43:48] It's gonna be…

[00:43:49] It's my due diligence for my fans.

[00:43:52] Hmm.

[00:43:53] My fans should also know what they are watching.

[00:43:55] Exactly.

[00:43:56] I'll just say this to my fans, that I'm sorry I didn't come out with anything after all of this.

[00:44:08] So, don't think I'm scared or anything.

[00:44:11] Hmm.

[00:44:11] True.

[00:44:13] I am just taking my time, you know.

[00:44:16] And, sort out my life first.

[00:44:18] Yeah.

[00:44:18] Which is the most important thing.

[00:44:20] Yes.

[00:44:20] It's all that will be going to be.

[00:44:22] Yes.

[00:44:23] People will come to hate this too.

[00:44:24] I'm going to go up now, so of course, hate will get up.

[00:44:27] Hmm.

[00:44:28] But, what is your life now?

[00:44:29] You're independent.

[00:44:30] You're doing your own stuff in your hands.

[00:44:33] Hmm.

[00:44:34] You are not signed to any label at the moment.

[00:44:36] Right?

[00:44:37] How is life now?

[00:44:39] Giving me reality checks.

[00:44:42] Definitely.

[00:44:44] About it?

[00:44:45] About the industry especially.

[00:44:47] Who's with me, who's not.

[00:44:49] How it works internally.

[00:44:52] It took me a year and a half.

[00:44:54] But, everyday working, there's something changed in working?

[00:44:56] Very much.

[00:44:57] I have my own solid team now.

[00:44:59] Okay.

[00:45:00] Like, with me,

[00:45:01] I mean, that's the same thing,

[00:45:02] I'll keep four of the 20 pounds.

[00:45:04] Ha ha ha.

[00:45:06] Bars.

[00:45:06] Ha ha.

[00:45:08] Ha ha.

[00:45:08] So, I'm doing four girls.

[00:45:11] I'm doing four girls.

[00:45:12] I'm doing great, long races.

[00:45:14] I'm doing great, long races.

[00:45:14] I'm doing all my life.

[00:45:16] I'm doing everything.

[00:45:17] I'm doing everything.

[00:45:18] I'm doing everything.

[00:45:20] But, how does it work financially when you start taking things in your own hand?

[00:45:24] I mean,

[00:45:26] I mean,

[00:45:26] something happens like,

[00:45:28] how much money is coming,

[00:45:29] that's what we want to see.

[00:45:30] How much it is looking at it,

[00:45:31] that's what we want to see.

[00:45:32] It's like that.

[00:45:34] Okay.

[00:45:35] If you're putting money on the label,

[00:45:37] you're giving me a few more days.

[00:45:39] It's a loan.

[00:45:40] You'll do everything.

[00:45:41] Yeah.

[00:45:42] I want to say that,

[00:45:44] as clear as possible,

[00:45:47] for a lot of young artists,

[00:45:49] that the money of the label,

[00:45:51] that is what happens actually.

[00:45:54] I see it as a loan.

[00:45:56] It's worse than a loan.

[00:45:57] Okay.

[00:45:59] So, now you've taken the loan from the bank.

[00:46:02] Okay.

[00:46:04] You have to give them the terms and conditions.

[00:46:06] You have to give them the 9% to 12%.

[00:46:08] That's the interest rate.

[00:46:12] You pay that loan off,

[00:46:13] in whatever,

[00:46:15] twenty years.

[00:46:15] Ten years,

[00:46:16] even if you have the terms.

[00:46:18] Free?

[00:46:19] Your house is free.

[00:46:21] Your house is free.

[00:46:21] Is it free?

[00:46:23] I've never tried my dance.

[00:46:23] Yes,

[00:46:24] I'll stay on my master's.

[00:46:27] You get the money.

[00:46:28] You get the money.

[00:46:29] Whether you have the deal to 50-50,

[00:46:31] $100, $360 doesn't matter but it will, you will make them way more money.

[00:46:38] It's not a good deal for art, at least for me.

[00:46:40] I can't say it for people who are signed to them. Maybe it worked for them.

[00:46:45] No, it's not just about like a particular label. What happens with young artists is

[00:46:50] they're doing their own work, making money of video, as you said,

[00:46:54] making videos in 5000, so as soon as the industry gets involved,

[00:46:57] they get more involved, so at least the work will come to my future.

[00:47:03] So in that moment, what can a younger artist do when a label gets involved?

[00:47:09] Hire a lawyer and an accountant.

[00:47:14] Like, as soon as possible.

[00:47:17] And this, when did this come to your life, lawyer and accountant?

[00:47:20] Very late. After I was independent.

[00:47:23] Okay.

[00:47:25] When I hired my own accountant, when I get everything checked,

[00:47:30] like, my mind was gone.

[00:47:32] Like these things, we hear about

[00:47:35] it was with NWO, cash money, but this is an actual

[00:47:41] reality that happens when the industry gets involved.

[00:47:46] You know what happens now?

[00:47:49] I mean, they see us especially birding artists.

[00:47:53] Those little, those those

[00:47:55] Buzz are some of them.

[00:47:57] Yeah, and those who come from broken realities.

[00:48:00] Okay.

[00:48:01] They don't understand how the system works.

[00:48:05] Like me.

[00:48:07] Okay.

[00:48:07] I had no idea how the system works, how money works.

[00:48:11] Who's an outsider to the system.

[00:48:12] Yeah.

[00:48:13] I mean, you don't get taught in school.

[00:48:15] Exactly.

[00:48:17] I don't teach tax.

[00:48:18] I don't teach tax.

[00:48:19] In the first year, I was broke.

[00:48:20] What was that?

[00:48:21] Bro, three uncles came to us.

[00:48:22] Our uncle came to us.

[00:48:23] Our uncle came to us.

[00:48:24] Our uncle came to us.

[00:48:25] We asked him to ask the tax.

[00:48:26] I asked him to ask the tax.

[00:48:27] Who's the tax?

[00:48:27] How many are the tax?

[00:48:29] It's so difficult to ask.

[00:48:31] Yeah, the job was made to make it.

[00:48:33] You've made it.

[00:48:33] You've asked the money to ask.

[00:48:34] And if you ask for which one of the students?

[00:48:36] So, tell us.

[00:48:37] So, all of these things,

[00:48:40] Because people know how it works, they will not come up and tell you how it works.

[00:48:51] Get me?

[00:48:52] It's not…

[00:48:53] Tell me which artist is saying, look, this is how we work.

[00:49:01] Nobody explains it to the artist that if you are going to sit in Mercedes, we are sitting here today, but it's going to your job.

[00:49:16] This rental is going to your job, it will go to your recruitment.

[00:49:20] And how will it get you to know when you hire an accountant?

[00:49:24] Which doesn't happen to any young man?

[00:49:26] It doesn't happen to any young man.

[00:49:27] They don't give attention to any other people.

[00:49:28] So that's why the artist is going to take their job.

[00:49:30] So a label comes to you with a cheque basically, that this is money.

[00:49:36] I didn't get that too.

[00:49:38] I gave a gift, I gave something to them.

[00:49:40] That's my story when it came out, there are many layers involved.

[00:49:45] Interesting.

[00:49:45] So this I think, if you have any of these conversations in this conversation, if you are a young artist, please,

[00:49:52] I said that one lawyer is one accountant.

[00:49:56] Do it.

[00:49:57] And I think, a little slow down.

[00:49:59] Because as young artists, we feel like the industry is coming, let's do something quickly.

[00:50:03] Look at it.

[00:50:05] So there are no rules, when will you make it?

[00:50:10] You, Diljeet Dosanj, took 22 years to make it.

[00:50:14] Karan Ojala, same amount of tickets sell but it takes a little time.

[00:50:20] So there are no rules.

[00:50:21] Exactly.

[00:50:22] When you have time to come, it will come.

[00:50:24] Whether it's 20 years later or 5 years later.

[00:50:29] When it's written, it will come.

[00:50:30] So be patient with it.

[00:50:33] And if you don't come, what's the difference?

[00:50:35] You do your job and you grow up.

[00:50:37] Again, this is the first time.

[00:50:39] This is the first time.

[00:50:41] That artist to artist depends on what their purpose is.

[00:50:45] Some artists do a game that is just pop, this generation is becoming a trend.

[00:50:52] And most of it, like,

[00:50:55] 100 songs of the trend are coming,

[00:50:56] they come up.

[00:50:58] In one song, the trend has come.

[00:51:02] The only one song that has come,

[00:51:02] is the only one in the top.

[00:51:04] After that,

[00:51:06] 100 songs of the song will come,

[00:51:07] one or two will come,

[00:51:09] then you will have 10.

[00:51:10] 90's gone.

[00:51:12] Overshadowed.

[00:51:14] How was working on Tabiya like?

[00:51:17] Which, he just corrected me backstage that

[00:51:21] I was saying Tabiya,

[00:51:23] which is a chess piece.

[00:51:25] No, it's a time in chess.

[00:51:26] Okay, time in chess.

[00:51:28] It's a time in chess where

[00:51:30] you have multiple options open.

[00:51:34] And that move decides,

[00:51:38] Tabiya decides where you're gonna go.

[00:51:39] Okay.

[00:51:41] So for me, Tabiya was that.

[00:51:43] Where I wanna go.

[00:51:44] Ahhhh.

[00:51:45] You're so happy.

[00:51:47] Got it.

[00:51:49] So what was the mind state at that time?

[00:51:52] It was a lot different.

[00:51:53] I mean,

[00:51:55] it was

[00:51:57] two years of

[00:51:59] on the album.

[00:52:02] Music wise? Sound wise?

[00:52:03] No, no.

[00:52:05] Idea.

[00:52:06] Okay.

[00:52:07] Thoughts.

[00:52:08] Got it.

[00:52:09] I want to write what I want to write.

[00:52:09] Got it.

[00:52:11] I made scratches and made

[00:52:14] like Tabiya,

[00:52:15] I've made five more

[00:52:15] so I made it

[00:52:17] and wrote it

[00:52:18] and then

[00:52:19] folded it.

[00:52:20] Okay?

[00:52:21] Then I locked it.

[00:52:23] Okay.

[00:52:25] Then I looked at that

[00:52:26] locked album.

[00:52:29] Then I looked at it

[00:52:30] and then

[00:52:30] made it another change.

[00:52:31] Then I locked it.

[00:52:33] Then I locked it.

[00:52:34] Then I locked it.

[00:52:34] So it was locked in 5 layers.

[00:52:35] It was locked.

[00:52:36] Mm-hmm.

[00:52:38] Tabiya was that

[00:52:39] is that project

[00:52:40] which will

[00:52:44] age well

[00:52:45] with time.

[00:52:47] Where you are in your life

[00:52:48] it depends on how you are

[00:52:51] and it will open up

[00:52:52] more layers for you.

[00:52:54] Because it will be

[00:52:55] layers in layers.

[00:52:57] Yeah, yeah.

[00:52:59] Authenticity

[00:52:59] it wasn't

[00:53:01] money driven

[00:53:03] it wasn't

[00:53:04] numbers driven

[00:53:05] zero

[00:53:06] like

[00:53:07] compromise toh 1%

[00:53:08] I didn't get that album

[00:53:09] I had thought

[00:53:10] Is there any of your

[00:53:11] songs or projects

[00:53:13] in which you think

[00:53:13] I was doing compromise?

[00:53:15] I didn't compromise

[00:53:17] it was made from the audience

[00:53:17] perspective

[00:53:19] which was Maya

[00:53:20] Amar

[00:53:21] like a king EP

[00:53:22] full was audience

[00:53:24] I was making

[00:53:25] for others

[00:53:25] that was that

[00:53:29] I don't think so

[00:53:30] I compromised anywhere.

[00:53:32] Yeah.

[00:53:35] after you've spent

[00:53:36] so much effort

[00:53:38] and I'm sure

[00:53:39] even money

[00:53:39] on Tabiya

[00:53:42] didn't perform

[00:53:43] as well

[00:53:44] when you think about it

[00:53:46] in the industry standard

[00:53:47] number wise

[00:53:48] yeah wise

[00:53:48] then

[00:53:49] how did it feel?

[00:53:50] so tell me

[00:53:50] who failed?

[00:53:54] did I fail?

[00:53:56] I mean

[00:53:56] I was making your job

[00:53:57] or did the label fail?

[00:54:00] Was it my job

[00:54:01] to market it?

[00:54:03] so you're saying

[00:54:03] it's a purely

[00:54:04] like a

[00:54:06] distribution

[00:54:07] issue

[00:54:08] I don't know

[00:54:10] I don't know

[00:54:11] to see

[00:54:11] overlook

[00:54:13] if I'm giving you

[00:54:15] rights

[00:54:15] and you're giving

[00:54:16] this album

[00:54:19] your job

[00:54:20] how to present it

[00:54:21] I've given it

[00:54:23] 100-200%

[00:54:25] on that

[00:54:25] which show

[00:54:27] everything

[00:54:29] everything

[00:54:30] what happened

[00:54:31] when it comes out

[00:54:32] I mean

[00:54:33] I don't say this

[00:54:34] I haven't given it

[00:54:34] but the label

[00:54:34] has not given it

[00:54:35] credit where it's due

[00:54:36] I'm not petty like them

[00:54:40] that all

[00:54:41] you should have

[00:54:41] you should have

[00:54:42] you should have

[00:54:42] you should have

[00:54:43] another

[00:54:44] I am

[00:54:46] they were there till

[00:54:48] I was putting in

[00:54:50] they were putting in

[00:54:50] their 50

[00:54:51] maybe 20

[00:54:52] because there were other

[00:54:54] 5 artists

[00:54:55] so I was getting

[00:54:57] from resources

[00:54:58] I'm getting

[00:55:00] I'm putting in

[00:55:00] my 200%

[00:55:02] as soon as it

[00:55:04] comes out

[00:55:04] nothing

[00:55:08] where it is like

[00:55:09] it's

[00:55:09] again

[00:55:10] it's my job is done

[00:55:11] once it's out

[00:55:13] I put out DSP

[00:55:15] independently

[00:55:15] yeah

[00:55:16] if this fails

[00:55:18] it's on me

[00:55:23] Thappad was the first track

[00:55:25] it performed well

[00:55:26] for me as an independent

[00:55:28] like I was happy with it

[00:55:29] King Returns

[00:55:30] didn't perform

[00:55:32] really well

[00:55:33] I learnt a lot

[00:55:34] from it

[00:55:34] but I think that was a more personal

[00:55:35] thing for you

[00:55:36] that album

[00:55:37] that album

[00:55:37] made for me

[00:55:40] exactly

[00:55:41] exactly

[00:55:41] it was a lot of turmoil

[00:55:43] for me

[00:55:44] and grief

[00:55:45] also

[00:55:45] there was a lot of

[00:55:46] 100%

[00:55:47] now DSP

[00:55:48] is more

[00:55:49] there is a long campaign for it

[00:55:52] which I am overlooking everything

[00:55:53] what to do

[00:55:55] and what to not do

[00:55:55] and the title is a part of that

[00:55:59] now if that fails

[00:56:01] that's on me

[00:56:01] but again

[00:56:03] I am not

[00:56:05] giving anybody

[00:56:08] any rights

[00:56:11] if it fails

[00:56:12] it's me

[00:56:12] if it

[00:56:13] pops it's me

[00:56:14] would Tabiya be one project

[00:56:15] which you would urge more people to listen to?

[00:56:18] that you mean

[00:56:18] that you don't listen to anything

[00:56:20] or Tabiya

[00:56:22] I say

[00:56:23] Tabiya is that one

[00:56:25] is that one project

[00:56:26] that will find you

[00:56:28] if it was marketed well

[00:56:32] with the same thought

[00:56:34] I made it with

[00:56:37] would have worked

[00:56:40] it didn't

[00:56:41] and how long did it take you to

[00:56:43] get out of that zone?

[00:56:44] because Tabiya ke baad

[00:56:45] I think you took some time

[00:56:47] to drop more music

[00:56:49] so that

[00:56:51] when you have spent so much time on the album

[00:56:54] what process is left from it

[00:56:54] in that process?

[00:57:00] it's always happening

[00:57:01] it's always happening

[00:57:03] it's always happening

[00:57:04] it's almost like getting into a character

[00:57:05] and I was juggling

[00:57:07] in five characters

[00:57:10] while making Tabiya

[00:57:13] so it took a toll on my mental for sure

[00:57:17] like just like

[00:57:21] then the kind of people I was around

[00:57:23] not understanding

[00:57:24] why I'm getting angry

[00:57:27] my family did

[00:57:31] partner did

[00:57:33] but other than that

[00:57:35] like

[00:57:37] nobody sat me down and be like

[00:57:39] what's up bro?

[00:57:40] what are you going through?

[00:57:40] tell me

[00:57:42] you know

[00:57:43] this is where

[00:57:46] when you

[00:57:48] manage an artist

[00:57:51] all of

[00:57:52] it's like a relationship

[00:57:53] yeah

[00:57:55] that's true

[00:57:56] it's like a relationship

[00:57:57] artists are very

[00:57:58] meeting schedule

[00:57:58] not only work

[00:58:00] true

[00:58:01] briefings are

[00:58:03] I'm not

[00:58:03] doing 9 to 5

[00:58:05] I don't take any time off

[00:58:08] we don't have weekends

[00:58:10] we don't have

[00:58:12] celebrations

[00:58:13] like even

[00:58:14] an artist is an only

[00:58:15] profession

[00:58:16] where you put in

[00:58:17] your emotional labour

[00:58:19] as well

[00:58:20] you're taking time

[00:58:20] you're taking time

[00:58:21] but there is

[00:58:22] you're taking your emotional

[00:58:24] output there

[00:58:24] then

[00:58:25] when

[00:58:27] when

[00:58:28] someone

[00:58:28] sees

[00:58:28] a product

[00:58:29] I'm very

[00:58:30] interested in

[00:58:31] hearing

[00:58:31] that

[00:58:33] I'm going to

[00:58:36] take everything

[00:58:37] back to you

[00:58:39] but you're saying

[00:58:40] that's not so much now

[00:58:41] because

[00:58:42] DSP is a product

[00:58:43] also for the industry

[00:58:45] yeah

[00:58:46] but it's my

[00:58:47] it's your

[00:58:47] it's my

[00:58:48] you control

[00:58:49] how the product

[00:58:50] will come

[00:58:51] it's in

[00:58:52] it's in my hands

[00:58:54] so I'm more

[00:58:55] secured with

[00:58:57] like

[00:58:57] it's

[00:58:58] I know what

[00:58:59] kind of feelings

[00:59:00] went through it

[00:59:01] I know I cried

[00:59:02] alone in the studio

[00:59:03] yeah

[00:59:04] I know how

[00:59:05] heavy it was

[00:59:06] for me to

[00:59:09] I mean

[00:59:09] I have stood

[00:59:10] in front of my

[00:59:10] shadows

[00:59:13] to go with my

[00:59:14] darkness

[00:59:15] to go alone

[00:59:17] you know

[00:59:18] in the room

[00:59:19] it's very personal

[00:59:20] no one is understanding

[00:59:22] you're alone

[00:59:23] true

[00:59:25] then

[00:59:25] that evil

[00:59:26] person

[00:59:26] will be

[00:59:27] I won't be

[00:59:28] are you a very

[00:59:31] religious person?

[00:59:33] because

[00:59:33] in your songs

[00:59:34] there are

[00:59:35] religious

[00:59:37] undertones

[00:59:38] you talk about

[00:59:39] that

[00:59:39] the religion is not

[00:59:40] so what is your

[00:59:42] idea of

[00:59:43] religion

[00:59:44] and like a higher

[00:59:45] power type

[00:59:46] thing?

[00:59:46] I don't know if I'm

[00:59:48] religious

[00:59:50] but I believe in God

[00:59:53] I believe in

[00:59:54] Vaheguru

[00:59:54] I believe in Allah

[00:59:55] I believe in

[00:59:56] Bhagawan

[00:59:56] I believe in

[00:59:58] all the

[00:59:59] power of

[01:00:01] higher power

[01:00:02] I believe in

[01:00:04] all the

[01:00:04] things

[01:00:04] I believe in

[01:00:06] truly

[01:00:07] I believe in

[01:00:07] this

[01:00:08] and this

[01:00:08] is always

[01:00:08] or something?

[01:00:09] because of my upbringing

[01:00:14] my dad

[01:00:15] is very religious

[01:00:16] mom is very religious

[01:00:17] they tried to

[01:00:18] put me into

[01:00:20] Sikhism as well

[01:00:21] fully

[01:00:22] then I went against it

[01:00:24] because I thought

[01:00:25] that my father

[01:00:26] is so part

[01:00:27] and then

[01:00:27] why are we going

[01:00:29] through these

[01:00:30] struggles

[01:00:31] God is not

[01:00:32] with us

[01:00:33] that young

[01:00:34] questioning

[01:00:36] everything

[01:00:37] there is

[01:00:38] God, why is this

[01:00:39] happening?

[01:00:39] that kind of thing

[01:00:41] and luckily

[01:00:44] I'm blessed

[01:00:45] with great

[01:00:46] parents

[01:00:46] who never

[01:00:48] pressured me

[01:00:48] to follow anything

[01:00:49] neither my sister

[01:00:51] to tell

[01:00:53] from the beginning

[01:00:57] that you

[01:00:58] will understand

[01:00:59] at one point

[01:01:00] in life

[01:01:01] when you get

[01:01:02] tired of

[01:01:03] shit

[01:01:04] this will be

[01:01:05] your last resort

[01:01:06] you will be

[01:01:08] your

[01:01:09] last

[01:01:09] Sahara

[01:01:10] will not be

[01:01:11] higher power

[01:01:14] so I believe

[01:01:15] strongly

[01:01:15] in that

[01:01:16] and in religion

[01:01:18] I believe

[01:01:20] that

[01:01:22] until

[01:01:22] he is doing

[01:01:23] work

[01:01:24] that

[01:01:30] relationship

[01:01:32] with God

[01:01:34] and God

[01:01:35] until

[01:01:37] he is

[01:01:37] growing

[01:01:37] he is

[01:01:39] growing

[01:01:39] I don't

[01:01:41] anyone

[01:01:44] I don't

[01:01:44] anyone

[01:01:44] wrong

[01:01:45] that

[01:01:46] you are

[01:01:46] doing

[01:01:47] that

[01:01:48] this

[01:01:54] relationship

[01:01:54] with God

[01:01:55] personal

[01:01:58] everyone

[01:01:59] should

[01:02:00] be like

[01:02:01] your relationship

[01:02:02] with God

[01:02:03] is something

[01:02:04] very personal

[01:02:05] because

[01:02:06] it's one of

[01:02:07] one on one dialogue

[01:02:09] with them

[01:02:11] that

[01:02:12] love

[01:02:12] love

[01:02:13] don't

[01:02:14] name

[01:02:14] exactly

[01:02:18] how important

[01:02:19] is it

[01:02:20] for you to

[01:02:23] political

[01:02:24] as a

[01:02:24] rapper?

[01:02:26] not really

[01:02:26] not really

[01:02:27] it's not my

[01:02:27] why?

[01:02:28] do you think

[01:02:31] that

[01:02:32] need to speak

[01:02:34] about things

[01:02:34] that are happening

[01:02:35] around you?

[01:02:36] I don't think so

[01:02:36] because you do

[01:02:37] a fair bit of it

[01:02:38] there are projects

[01:02:39] where you haven't

[01:02:40] I want to say all

[01:02:41] artists

[01:02:42] and you

[01:02:42] don't mind

[01:02:43] tell us

[01:02:44] that it's our

[01:02:46] responsibility

[01:02:47] artist's responsibility

[01:02:48] isn't it

[01:02:49] first

[01:02:50] listen to society

[01:02:50] listen to

[01:02:52] people

[01:02:54] when

[01:02:56] artists

[01:02:57] tell us

[01:02:58] what will

[01:02:58] everything

[01:02:59] listen to

[01:03:02] then

[01:03:02] when

[01:03:02] people

[01:03:04] that

[01:03:04] responsibility

[01:03:05] is not

[01:03:07] responsibility

[01:03:09] responsibility

[01:03:09] is not

[01:03:14] if you feel like

[01:03:19] again

[01:03:19] to all the artists

[01:03:21] talk political shit

[01:03:22] if you feel like it

[01:03:23] don't feel pressured

[01:03:24] that

[01:03:25] our obligation

[01:03:26] is not

[01:03:28] to be

[01:03:30] to be

[01:03:30] honest

[01:03:30] that

[01:03:31] you can't

[01:03:32] say anything

[01:03:33] about anything

[01:03:34] artists

[01:03:35] are so

[01:03:36] responsible

[01:03:36] that

[01:03:38] people are listening

[01:03:39] and are going to be

[01:03:40] influenced

[01:03:42] that

[01:03:42] be truthful

[01:03:45] with art

[01:03:46] this

[01:03:47] responsibility

[01:03:48] becomes

[01:03:48] political

[01:03:49] to be

[01:03:51] before

[01:03:52] I was

[01:03:52] because

[01:03:53] I felt

[01:03:53] at any time

[01:03:55] did you have a feeling

[01:03:56] especially coming from hip hop

[01:03:59] something changed

[01:04:00] I see

[01:04:01] I see

[01:04:03] that

[01:04:03] I changed

[01:04:06] I didn't see

[01:04:07] anything

[01:04:07] I didn't see

[01:04:08] what

[01:04:09] I posted

[01:04:10] what

[01:04:12] happened

[01:04:12] today

[01:04:13] happening

[01:04:13] today

[01:04:13] today

[01:04:16] happening

[01:04:19] before

[01:04:25] it's not happening

[01:04:28] would I waste

[01:04:29] my energy

[01:04:30] on anybody

[01:04:31] I am selfish

[01:04:34] I rather

[01:04:35] write

[01:04:35] about

[01:04:36] something

[01:04:38] which

[01:04:38] provoke

[01:04:40] thought

[01:04:40] individually

[01:04:43] that

[01:04:43] you are listening

[01:04:44] to me

[01:04:44] and your mind

[01:04:46] is like

[01:04:48] like you are

[01:04:49] then you are making

[01:04:50] decision on an individual level

[01:04:52] that is change

[01:04:54] also being political is not just

[01:04:56] you talk about party

[01:04:57] and that

[01:04:58] you can't do anything

[01:04:58] in your personal life

[01:05:00] in your house

[01:05:02] politics

[01:05:03] exactly

[01:05:03] mental health

[01:05:04] for two men

[01:05:06] talking about mental health

[01:05:07] is politics

[01:05:08] yeah

[01:05:09] it is

[01:05:10] i mean

[01:05:11] i think

[01:05:12] especially in hip hop

[01:05:14] we close it

[01:05:15] in a small

[01:05:15] corner

[01:05:17] that

[01:05:18] only

[01:05:18] to speak

[01:05:19] politics

[01:05:21] like

[01:05:22] i would say

[01:05:23] that

[01:05:24] a song like

[01:05:24] click clack

[01:05:25] or a song like

[01:05:26] click clack

[01:05:27] is deeply

[01:05:28] political

[01:05:28] it is where

[01:05:30] again the story

[01:05:32] it happened

[01:05:35] it is

[01:05:37] why lower

[01:05:42] paid

[01:05:43] neighbourhoods

[01:05:44] are not developed

[01:05:45] yeah

[01:05:46] and why

[01:05:47] higher tax

[01:05:49] neighbourhoods

[01:05:50] overly developed

[01:05:52] again

[01:05:52] and again

[01:05:53] that

[01:05:54] reinforce

[01:05:56] is there

[01:05:57] and i made my peace with it

[01:05:58] like that

[01:05:59] and the artist

[01:05:59] is to keep pictures

[01:06:01] in front of it

[01:06:02] inferences

[01:06:03] is to keep thinkers

[01:06:04] and other people

[01:06:05] politics starts from your home

[01:06:08] like

[01:06:09] my father passed away

[01:06:13] politics

[01:06:13] of my house

[01:06:14] changed

[01:06:15] the dynamic of my house

[01:06:17] changed

[01:06:17] drastically

[01:06:18] yeah

[01:06:20] true

[01:06:20] it's a different politics

[01:06:22] yeah

[01:06:22] what happened before

[01:06:23] my dad

[01:06:25] and my mom

[01:06:26] and my mom

[01:06:28] are balancing

[01:06:29] things

[01:06:29] because he was seeing

[01:06:31] something

[01:06:31] which i

[01:06:32] i was busy in

[01:06:34] taking care of

[01:06:35] the family financially

[01:06:37] and he was there

[01:06:39] more like emotional

[01:06:41] he was balancing out emotionally

[01:06:43] yeah

[01:06:44] now he's gone

[01:06:45] now i have to

[01:06:47] balance out everything

[01:06:48] emotionally

[01:06:49] and financially

[01:06:51] you know

[01:06:52] and it's not like

[01:06:53] my parents

[01:06:54] have not given anything

[01:06:55] my mom and sister

[01:06:56] or my partner

[01:06:57] did not

[01:06:58] equally change

[01:06:59] their

[01:07:00] exactly

[01:07:00] just like one person

[01:07:02] out of the family

[01:07:03] and the whole dynamic

[01:07:03] whole politics

[01:07:05] you know

[01:07:06] changes

[01:07:07] so that was

[01:07:08] my mentor

[01:07:08] that you are a politician

[01:07:10] you don't know it

[01:07:11] exactly

[01:07:12] that's not like

[01:07:12] any person

[01:07:14] only artist

[01:07:15] for that matter

[01:07:16] that's not like

[01:07:17] political

[01:07:18] that's not like

[01:07:19] what?

[01:07:19] some people

[01:07:20] may not be able to

[01:07:21] take a hand

[01:07:22] and take a hand

[01:07:23] but there is also

[01:07:24] that you

[01:07:26] what happened in your life

[01:07:28] what are the

[01:07:30] like

[01:07:30] what

[01:07:31] there are phases

[01:07:33] in the human history

[01:07:35] when

[01:07:35] religious

[01:07:36] belief

[01:07:37] grows

[01:07:38] god men

[01:07:39] come

[01:07:40] wars

[01:07:42] just by

[01:07:45] just seeing

[01:07:46] that

[01:07:47] a person

[01:07:47] became a

[01:07:48] behind it

[01:07:49] what is happening

[01:07:52] in the world

[01:07:54] yeah 100%

[01:07:56] that's

[01:07:57] like

[01:07:57] a person

[01:07:58] moving from

[01:07:59] Delhi to

[01:08:00] is a deeply

[01:08:02] like

[01:08:03] I would say

[01:08:04] it's a

[01:08:05] environmental

[01:08:06] story

[01:08:07] yes not

[01:08:08] not just like

[01:08:09] physical

[01:08:10] like mental

[01:08:11] environment

[01:08:11] exactly

[01:08:12] more than physical

[01:08:13] like what you said

[01:08:14] me in Delhi

[01:08:15] someone asked me

[01:08:16] what is your cast

[01:08:17] and no one asked me

[01:08:20] now this is a big thing

[01:08:22] judging

[01:08:24] this person

[01:08:25] asking you to do a job

[01:08:25] and what is your

[01:08:27] what is your

[01:08:27] giving you

[01:08:27] I'm giving you

[01:08:27] whole

[01:08:30] I'm not asking

[01:08:30] rent

[01:08:32] get me like all these

[01:08:34] questions should not be there

[01:08:35] yeah

[01:08:37] again like in

[01:08:39] in Goa that wasn't the case

[01:08:42] so for me that was more

[01:08:44] relaxed

[01:08:45] yeah

[01:08:46] one less thing to worry about

[01:08:48] yeah

[01:08:48] kinda why

[01:08:50] because I have

[01:08:51] a lot of things to figure out

[01:08:53] and now I have to pay for myself

[01:08:54] all the distribution

[01:08:56] everything

[01:08:57] all the things to do above

[01:09:00] I'm a head of my family

[01:09:01] and now I started acting acting

[01:09:03] yes sir

[01:09:04] that's all

[01:09:05] we have to navigate

[01:09:07] when did you decide that you want to

[01:09:09] star in a biopic on your life

[01:09:13] biopic

[01:09:13] it was a bit

[01:09:14] what

[01:09:15] no no no

[01:09:16] the similarities are uncanny

[01:09:21] look at it

[01:09:23] everything has been shown

[01:09:25] everything

[01:09:25] no I'm

[01:09:28] he is

[01:09:30] many times

[01:09:31] I wanted to do different characters

[01:09:35] this is

[01:09:36] from the beginning

[01:09:36] I wanted

[01:09:38] I wanted to do

[01:09:41] characters which are

[01:09:42] away from my life

[01:09:45] but it didn't happen

[01:09:48] like

[01:09:49] I mean

[01:09:50] I got my character

[01:09:51] haha

[01:09:52] haha

[01:09:53] I'm still putting it out there

[01:09:55] for all the directors

[01:09:56] production houses

[01:09:57] you know your profile shots

[01:09:59] this is my right profile

[01:10:00] yeah

[01:10:02] do it bro cast

[01:10:03] it was a lot of acting

[01:10:04] yeah

[01:10:04] no no

[01:10:05] it wasn't good

[01:10:07] I mean

[01:10:08] it was good for the debut

[01:10:09] for the debut

[01:10:10] yeah

[01:10:10] I was disappointed

[01:10:12] to be honest

[01:10:13] then

[01:10:15] experienced actors around me

[01:10:18] they were like

[01:10:19] you are our debut

[01:10:21] then you will cry

[01:10:22] haha

[01:10:23] haha

[01:10:24] I was like

[01:10:25] I was like

[01:10:25] for a debut

[01:10:26] it was

[01:10:27] good

[01:10:29] so then I got a little bit

[01:10:30] then I

[01:10:31] went back like

[01:10:32] thought about the first

[01:10:34] very first time I recorded

[01:10:36] haha

[01:10:37] haha

[01:10:38] I was like

[01:10:38] it's better than that

[01:10:39] it's better than that

[01:10:40] it was a lot of hate to delete

[01:10:42] at least

[01:10:43] it didn't delete

[01:10:44] you too

[01:10:46] Jio cinema if you are listening

[01:10:48] haha

[01:10:49] haha

[01:10:50] nice

[01:10:50] yeah

[01:10:51] so we are gonna close in a bit

[01:10:53] okay

[01:10:53] but before that

[01:10:55] I want to read out some lyrics to you

[01:10:57] okay

[01:10:58] you will tell me

[01:10:59] what are your thoughts about it

[01:11:01] what was the mind space in that time

[01:11:02] and what do you feel about them now

[01:11:04] okay

[01:11:06] so first

[01:11:07] is the first one

[01:11:07] you said in Amar

[01:11:09] which has been my

[01:11:11] like

[01:11:12] doubt

[01:11:12] as a hip hop head

[01:11:14] for the longest time

[01:11:15] you said

[01:11:16] can there be a

[01:11:17] song that will be

[01:11:18] I knew that was coming

[01:11:19] so you can go to the

[01:11:21] and then

[01:11:21] there is a beep

[01:11:22] yeah

[01:11:23] it has irked me

[01:11:25] ever since I have heard that

[01:11:27] song for the

[01:11:28] first time

[01:11:28] what is that

[01:11:29] why is that

[01:11:31] why did you need to censor it

[01:11:35] to be told

[01:11:36] and then

[01:11:37] the point

[01:11:37] also

[01:11:38] okay

[01:11:40] again I was making it

[01:11:43] Amar

[01:11:44] Maya

[01:11:45] King, Heera

[01:11:46] Kala

[01:11:47] Khat

[01:11:47] these six

[01:11:49] were made

[01:11:50] for the audience

[01:11:51] yeah

[01:11:54] it was very important to me

[01:11:54] to intrigue

[01:11:56] you are still intrigued by

[01:11:57] exactly

[01:11:57] yeah

[01:11:59] what was that

[01:12:01] two questions

[01:12:02] what was that

[01:12:03] what was that

[01:12:04] no one

[01:12:05] didn't tell

[01:12:05] no one

[01:12:06] no one

[01:12:08] no one

[01:12:08] no one

[01:12:08] no one

[01:12:08] no one

[01:12:09] I have

[01:12:12] mixed master

[01:12:14] all I have done

[01:12:15] this road

[01:12:16] will also be going to my

[01:12:18] it will not

[01:12:19] that I am saying

[01:12:21] before

[01:12:21] I am going to go

[01:12:25] and I will

[01:12:26] give a lot of things

[01:12:27] and I will

[01:12:28] open all these roads

[01:12:30] that

[01:12:30] interesting

[01:12:32] that

[01:12:34] smart

[01:12:34] smart

[01:12:36] you can see

[01:12:37] nice

[01:12:39] the second verse

[01:12:40] I want to talk about is

[01:12:41] Aylan

[01:12:42] that I think

[01:12:43] is one of my

[01:12:45] favorite verses of yours

[01:12:46] that I have heard the first time

[01:12:47] live

[01:12:48] and I have gone

[01:12:49] so when the video came

[01:12:50] and the audio came

[01:12:51] what was it

[01:12:52] working on that song

[01:12:54] ehmer

[01:12:54] yeah

[01:12:55] i mean

[01:12:57] people who don't know it

[01:12:58] it was

[01:13:00] only half the verse

[01:13:01] i recorded

[01:13:02] yeah

[01:13:02] it was a very

[01:13:04] very long verse

[01:13:06] like

[01:13:06] I have written a lot

[01:13:08] something like that

[01:13:09] I think

[01:13:10] that was the last

[01:13:12] thing

[01:13:13] i said about

[01:13:14] like

[01:13:16] active politics

[01:13:18] you say

[01:13:19] i want to think

[01:13:20] i want to think

[01:13:21] and think

[01:13:21] and reach

[01:13:22] and reach

[01:13:22] Kashmir

[01:13:23] first time the word

[01:13:24] Kashmir was

[01:13:26] said

[01:13:27] in a political context

[01:13:29] not that the words

[01:13:30] and all

[01:13:31] actually

[01:13:32] in philip

[01:13:33] how was working

[01:13:35] with ehmer

[01:13:35] like

[01:13:36] crazy bro

[01:13:37] you went on tour

[01:13:39] yeah

[01:13:41] not before

[01:13:42] i went to Kashmir

[01:13:45] i saw it

[01:13:47] without any bias

[01:13:49] i saw it as a

[01:13:51] boy from

[01:13:52] Tilak Nagar

[01:13:54] when i came to Kashmir

[01:13:56] i came back

[01:13:56] and i was like

[01:13:58] what you're doing

[01:13:59] gangster shit

[01:13:59] i didn't know

[01:14:00] i didn't know

[01:14:02] the current

[01:14:03] jangadai land

[01:14:04] you're being

[01:14:06] being gangster

[01:14:07] you don't have

[01:14:08] any idea

[01:14:09] that

[01:14:10] you can become

[01:14:12] the tension

[01:14:15] yeah

[01:14:15] imagine a kid

[01:14:17] born there

[01:14:18] in 2024

[01:14:20] right

[01:14:22] growing up

[01:14:24] be like

[01:14:25] what is this

[01:14:27] i did not sign up

[01:14:30] for it

[01:14:30] for this

[01:14:31] you know

[01:14:31] just like

[01:14:32] it was my

[01:14:34] and it is so sad

[01:14:35] it's a completely different world

[01:14:38] which is

[01:14:39] i mean

[01:14:41] i didn't know

[01:14:42] i was talking a lot about this topic

[01:14:45] before i talked a lot about this topic

[01:14:46] about Kashmir

[01:14:47] then i

[01:14:48] i don't do it anymore

[01:14:49] because it's not

[01:14:52] it's very personal

[01:14:54] it's very personal

[01:14:55] not to just one community

[01:14:58] but multiple communities

[01:14:59] true

[01:15:00] and their family

[01:15:01] like 84

[01:15:02] is for me

[01:15:03] like my grandfather passed away in the rites

[01:15:07] so i know the density

[01:15:10] i know the intensity of the story there

[01:15:12] and i know the inside of the story there

[01:15:15] with Kashmir

[01:15:16] i wanted

[01:15:16] that complexity

[01:15:18] that complexity

[01:15:19] that people

[01:15:19] know

[01:15:19] i will not understand

[01:15:21] so i will be lost

[01:15:22] with him

[01:15:23] that this is a very

[01:15:25] like

[01:15:27] like

[01:15:28] when your family migrated

[01:15:30] from there

[01:15:30] you must have lost

[01:15:32] many of your family members

[01:15:34] exactly

[01:15:34] my father

[01:15:35] i still can't

[01:15:36] say the word Kashmir

[01:15:38] in front of him

[01:15:41] after that

[01:15:41] we can't do any normal thing

[01:15:42] like

[01:15:43] we have to have

[01:15:44] for 5 minutes

[01:15:44] he goes into a

[01:15:46] different zone

[01:15:47] yeah i know

[01:15:47] i know what you mean

[01:15:48] like

[01:15:48] a lot of times he tells me

[01:15:50] that people ask you

[01:15:52] where is your house

[01:15:53] so you say

[01:15:56] I can't say

[01:15:57] because

[01:15:58] because

[01:15:59] it's a lot of meaning for my house

[01:16:02] there are so many different

[01:16:03] aspects of it

[01:16:06] no i have

[01:16:07] just to clarify this line

[01:16:10] Kashmir the Forge

[01:16:12] it was my perspective

[01:16:14] going to Kashmir

[01:16:15] purely

[01:16:16] just my perspective

[01:16:17] true

[01:16:17] that i landed

[01:16:19] i had my hand out

[01:16:21] on the window

[01:16:22] of the car

[01:16:23] and on

[01:16:25] every

[01:16:26] 5 meter

[01:16:27] there was a

[01:16:30] army guy

[01:16:31] with a gun

[01:16:31] like

[01:16:32] guns

[01:16:33] i never saw

[01:16:34] in my life

[01:16:35] possibly we have

[01:16:36] seen video games

[01:16:37] like

[01:16:38] he was

[01:16:38] he was

[01:16:39] he was

[01:16:42] like

[01:16:43] damn

[01:16:43] true

[01:16:46] upside was

[01:16:47] the place was very beautiful

[01:16:48] exactly

[01:16:50] then the interaction

[01:16:51] with army

[01:16:52] there

[01:16:53] like every time we

[01:16:54] interacted

[01:16:55] there was a different

[01:16:56] emotion

[01:16:57] so it was on my

[01:16:58] that

[01:16:59] that

[01:17:00] this place

[01:17:01] i am looking at it

[01:17:03] from

[01:17:03] a nature

[01:17:05] lover perspective

[01:17:06] as a

[01:17:07] resource

[01:17:08] for the country

[01:17:09] also

[01:17:10] that

[01:17:11] Kashmir

[01:17:12] is a

[01:17:13] very valuable resource

[01:17:15] for our country

[01:17:16] for India

[01:17:16] so i am looking at it from that perspective

[01:17:20] that

[01:17:21] this place is a very beautiful place

[01:17:23] as a

[01:17:25] in a

[01:17:25] very

[01:17:26] culture

[01:17:28] and then

[01:17:29] pairing that up with

[01:17:30] the current

[01:17:31] that

[01:17:32] i am looking at it

[01:17:35] like

[01:17:37] you are very far from the border

[01:17:43] are not afraid

[01:17:45] they will

[01:17:46] tell you

[01:17:46] that

[01:17:49] at the end

[01:17:50] they will be affected

[01:17:51] as well

[01:17:52] everyone

[01:17:52] will be affected

[01:17:54] by the war

[01:17:55] once

[01:17:56] there is war

[01:17:57] middle class

[01:17:58] is the most affected

[01:18:02] forget to the poor

[01:18:03] they have no value

[01:18:05] in war

[01:18:08] our soldiers

[01:18:09] will be affected

[01:18:10] their families

[01:18:10] will be affected

[01:18:12] and we know

[01:18:13] who will make profits

[01:18:15] from it

[01:18:16] yeah

[01:18:16] you know

[01:18:18] for the people

[01:18:19] who are not

[01:18:20] in the world

[01:18:21] so that emotion

[01:18:23] there

[01:18:24] that emotion

[01:18:24] was there

[01:18:25] that emotion

[01:18:25] that emotion

[01:18:28] let's find a solution

[01:18:29] type of thing

[01:18:30] yeah

[01:18:31] the third line i have is

[01:18:37] yeah that i wrote when i

[01:18:40] lost my father

[01:18:42] yeah

[01:18:43] so it's so weird

[01:18:44] when the first time i heard it

[01:18:46] because

[01:18:47] yeah is such a

[01:18:48] ambiguous word

[01:18:49] i think it's about a romantic

[01:18:50] relationship

[01:18:51] because i didn't know

[01:18:53] that your father

[01:18:54] has passed

[01:18:55] yeah

[01:18:56] and after that

[01:18:56] when i started reading

[01:18:57] i was like

[01:18:58] now i can't listen to that song

[01:19:01] the same way

[01:19:02] no it's

[01:19:02] i want

[01:19:04] it's

[01:19:04] grief

[01:19:05] it can be

[01:19:09] like

[01:19:09] with anybody

[01:19:10] anyone

[01:19:11] that's

[01:19:12] that's

[01:19:13] that's

[01:19:14] that's

[01:19:14] that

[01:19:15] can be

[01:19:16] for your

[01:19:16] break up

[01:19:18] grief

[01:19:19] grief

[01:19:20] grief is grief

[01:19:20] yeah

[01:19:22] how kendrick did it like united in grief

[01:19:25] yeah

[01:19:26] i felt it

[01:19:27] yeah

[01:19:28] and in the end he says i choose me i'm sorry oh

[01:19:31] i cannot listen to that song without crying where he's like

[01:19:35] he's like

[01:19:35] he's like

[01:19:36] he's like

[01:19:36] he's like

[01:19:37] he's like

[01:19:38] he's like

[01:19:41] he's like

[01:19:42] that was my emotion

[01:19:43] basically i wrote this line

[01:19:45] because

[01:19:46] when i left my dad like i was trying to find music to heal me

[01:19:51] i was trying to

[01:19:53] i was

[01:19:54] going back and forth with a lot of music

[01:19:58] that someone will do it

[01:20:00] with this feeling

[01:20:02] nothing worked

[01:20:03] for me

[01:20:04] because my

[01:20:05] as an artist my feeling was too strong

[01:20:07] yeah

[01:20:08] and i was very judgy

[01:20:10] at that point

[01:20:11] i need something very solid

[01:20:15] and then kendrick said

[01:20:17] everybody grieved different

[01:20:18] yeah

[01:20:19] you know

[01:20:20] that album is

[01:20:21] so to me

[01:20:22] to know in the studio

[01:20:24] that i will write myself

[01:20:27] it was not

[01:20:29] like

[01:20:31] i mean

[01:20:32] it wasn't even two weeks

[01:20:33] that

[01:20:35] when i went to the studio

[01:20:36] i wrote it

[01:20:38] the feeling became very normal

[01:20:40] because i remember like

[01:20:41] in a month

[01:20:43] i had a show

[01:20:44] which was boiler room

[01:20:47] which i curated the whole line up for

[01:20:50] yeah

[01:20:50] so it was very heavy

[01:20:53] to go on stage

[01:20:55] stage

[01:20:56] and in

[01:20:57] in between all of this

[01:20:58] like

[01:20:59] everybody was

[01:21:00] putting out stories about me

[01:21:03] like dissing me publicly

[01:21:06] now we are coming to him

[01:21:08] so all of that was very tricky for me

[01:21:10] so that's why i remember

[01:21:12] how was your relationship with him?

[01:21:15] my dad?

[01:21:15] with your father

[01:21:17] it was bad for very long time

[01:21:20] from my end he tried to

[01:21:22] like balance it out

[01:21:24] in the video

[01:21:25] what you're making your father

[01:21:26] actually

[01:21:27] he's your father

[01:21:28] very great actor

[01:21:30] what acting

[01:21:32] you're killing the sword

[01:21:34] one take bro

[01:21:35] one take

[01:21:36] one take

[01:21:37] i think

[01:21:38] towards the end

[01:21:40] when i went independent

[01:21:42] when i finally

[01:21:43] left all those people in my life

[01:21:46] i became

[01:21:49] i became

[01:21:49] myself

[01:21:49] a little bit

[01:21:54] came back to my family values

[01:21:56] and i had heart to heart with him

[01:21:58] yeah

[01:21:59] yeah

[01:21:59] so i'm glad that happened

[01:22:01] otherwise

[01:22:02] i was like

[01:22:03] i was like

[01:22:05] if my dad had a conversation with me

[01:22:08] all these

[01:22:08] who've been dissing me

[01:22:09] and saying shit about me

[01:22:11] would be crying by now

[01:22:14] so be thankful that i had

[01:22:16] that conversation with my dad

[01:22:18] you know

[01:22:20] not just people dissing me or anything

[01:22:22] not just them

[01:22:24] the whole industry

[01:22:26] if i was in that turmoil

[01:22:30] i probably

[01:22:30] have a lot of people

[01:22:31] and i don't just

[01:22:32] lose people

[01:22:33] but i also

[01:22:34] do it

[01:22:35] i have to be so

[01:22:36] that

[01:22:37] everything

[01:22:38] went down

[01:22:39] would you say that

[01:22:44] having

[01:22:45] this conversation

[01:22:46] sort of

[01:22:48] started this process of healing

[01:22:50] which is also

[01:22:51] in your personality

[01:22:52] that earlier

[01:22:53] like

[01:22:54] i will be very honest with you

[01:22:55] earlier

[01:22:56] you had an image of being very

[01:22:59] angry

[01:23:00] yeah

[01:23:01] and like

[01:23:03] even around

[01:23:04] like

[01:23:05] in dilli hip hop scene

[01:23:06] there are two things

[01:23:07] that is famous for the name of Pradeep

[01:23:08] that is

[01:23:09] one thing is that

[01:23:10] there is no club in Delhi

[01:23:11] where Pradeep has

[01:23:12] not kicked

[01:23:12] in his time

[01:23:13] in every club

[01:23:15] and he is so

[01:23:16] that is a work ethic

[01:23:17] and the other thing is

[01:23:18] he is this angry person

[01:23:20] but now

[01:23:22] i feel that you have

[01:23:23] calmed

[01:23:24] down a bit

[01:23:25] yeah

[01:23:25] so was that

[01:23:26] one of the

[01:23:28] moments

[01:23:28] when he

[01:23:30] came out

[01:23:31] 100%

[01:23:32] i think

[01:23:33] grief

[01:23:33] was that

[01:23:34] because

[01:23:36] i grew up as well

[01:23:38] as a

[01:23:39] human being

[01:23:42] like i am with

[01:23:43] new set of people

[01:23:45] around me

[01:23:46] who are

[01:23:48] empathetic

[01:23:50] towards me

[01:23:51] yeah

[01:23:52] you know

[01:23:52] how is your mother doing now?

[01:23:55] she is going through her own battles

[01:23:57] as well

[01:23:58] yeah

[01:23:58] she is like

[01:23:59] that is the most important thing

[01:24:02] that

[01:24:02] they are

[01:24:03] to keep up with them

[01:24:04] yeah

[01:24:05] again like

[01:24:06] none of these

[01:24:07] matters to me

[01:24:09] you say

[01:24:10] even after this comes out

[01:24:12] whatever the

[01:24:13] you want to say

[01:24:13] i don't give a

[01:24:14] i care about my family

[01:24:17] that's more important

[01:24:19] for me right now

[01:24:20] because

[01:24:21] it's heavy

[01:24:22] because i love

[01:24:24] people who know me

[01:24:25] since day one

[01:24:26] like i'm

[01:24:26] i love my family

[01:24:29] my purpose

[01:24:30] first purpose

[01:24:32] before music

[01:24:33] is to take care of them

[01:24:34] yeah

[01:24:36] you know

[01:24:36] you were a son

[01:24:38] before you were a rapper

[01:24:39] yeah of course

[01:24:41] i am

[01:24:42] yeah

[01:24:42] and that's who i am

[01:24:44] that's what i like doing

[01:24:46] true

[01:24:47] i have fun doing

[01:24:49] taking care of my loved ones

[01:24:51] you know

[01:24:54] she is doing a little bit

[01:24:56] my mom is also

[01:24:57] are you able to like

[01:24:59] spend time with her?

[01:25:01] what's the situation?

[01:25:02] like goa, delhi?

[01:25:03] yeah i come to delhi

[01:25:04] Delhi ataratyum

[01:25:04] yeah yeah yeah

[01:25:05] nice

[01:25:06] how's your dog bro?

[01:25:07] man crazy story

[01:25:10] mm-hmm

[01:25:11] my dog gave birth

[01:25:13] to puppies

[01:25:15] in an hour

[01:25:17] my dad passed away

[01:25:23] we were

[01:25:25] like my dad left

[01:25:27] and gave us

[01:25:28] puppies

[01:25:30] you know

[01:25:31] which was very

[01:25:33] i don't know

[01:25:34] like that

[01:25:35] again

[01:25:35] it wasn't easy

[01:25:37] yeah

[01:25:38] to navigate

[01:25:39] yeah

[01:25:39] true

[01:25:40] i'm happy

[01:25:41] my body was in shock

[01:25:44] at least for a month

[01:25:46] and again like

[01:25:48] in this

[01:25:49] i had to

[01:25:50] take care of

[01:25:51] all the rituals

[01:25:52] funeral rituals

[01:25:55] tackle whatever

[01:25:55] being said

[01:25:57] about me publicly

[01:25:58] yeah

[01:25:59] and make money

[01:26:00] to support my family

[01:26:01] yeah

[01:26:02] have you heard

[01:26:03] Royce the 5-9

[01:26:04] tabernacle

[01:26:06] that's also

[01:26:07] the day his

[01:26:08] grandmother passed

[01:26:09] his girlfriend

[01:26:10] gave birth

[01:26:12] their son

[01:26:13] so he's like

[01:26:14] i'm happy

[01:26:14] i was in hospital

[01:26:15] listening to the

[01:26:16] pregnancy

[01:26:17] and listening to me

[01:26:19] that's my grandmother

[01:26:21] it's a very interesting

[01:26:22] yeah

[01:26:23] it's crazy

[01:26:23] nice

[01:26:25] and what

[01:26:26] can we expect

[01:26:26] from you in the future bro?

[01:26:29] what's going on?

[01:26:30] man i have

[01:26:31] for next year

[01:26:32] i have

[01:26:33] i'm gonna surprise everyone

[01:26:35] okay

[01:26:36] i'm gonna do something

[01:26:38] which i never

[01:26:40] like the project

[01:26:41] which is not expected

[01:26:43] from me

[01:26:43] you were

[01:26:44] about to make a project

[01:26:46] about 84

[01:26:47] right?

[01:26:49] that was my first album

[01:26:50] yeah

[01:26:50] what is happening with that?

[01:26:52] i haven't found

[01:26:54] like that's been

[01:26:55] i've done it three times

[01:26:57] and dumped it

[01:26:58] okay

[01:26:58] full full project

[01:27:00] it's also on the two times

[01:27:01] it's on the music

[01:27:03] it's on the third time

[01:27:04] it's on the beats

[01:27:07] it's on the lyrics

[01:27:09] i'm still not

[01:27:11] i still think

[01:27:13] i have room to grow

[01:27:15] to put it into words

[01:27:17] because it's

[01:27:17] my grandfather

[01:27:19] my lineage

[01:27:20] i'm talking about

[01:27:21] yeah

[01:27:22] so i have

[01:27:22] before

[01:27:23] the good

[01:27:26] as a human being

[01:27:27] has to be very sorted

[01:27:29] true

[01:27:30] true

[01:27:31] to talk about

[01:27:32] the rest of the trips

[01:27:33] that i have sorted

[01:27:35] again

[01:27:36] like

[01:27:36] first

[01:27:37] my career started with it

[01:27:39] and it will end with it

[01:27:41] when i'll drop

[01:27:43] 841-18

[01:27:43] just know

[01:27:45] i'm retired

[01:27:47] nice

[01:27:47] thanks a lot bro

[01:27:49] for talking to me

[01:27:50] yeah man

[01:27:50] it's a lot of fun

[01:27:51] full power likewise man

[01:27:54] i think

[01:27:55] one thing that i have gauged

[01:27:57] from this conversation

[01:27:58] and even

[01:27:58] some of the music

[01:27:59] that you've been dropping

[01:28:00] is that

[01:28:01] whole path of healing

[01:28:02] so that's very good

[01:28:04] i really

[01:28:06] that's a very good

[01:28:07] that's a troubled artist

[01:28:09] stereotype

[01:28:10] that's not good

[01:28:12] personally

[01:28:12] because

[01:28:12] those who like music

[01:28:14] you want

[01:28:15] their life

[01:28:17] sorted

[01:28:17] and it's good

[01:28:18] yeah

[01:28:18] this is what i

[01:28:19] even

[01:28:20] again

[01:28:23] whatever i said

[01:28:24] in this interview

[01:28:25] if you are an

[01:28:27] artist

[01:28:27] who are opposing me

[01:28:30] understand

[01:28:31] this is not for you

[01:28:33] my fight

[01:28:34] is never against

[01:28:35] an artist

[01:28:37] my fight is

[01:28:38] always

[01:28:39] against the system

[01:28:40] and people who are running it

[01:28:42] i will openly say any day

[01:28:44] to them

[01:28:48] and to the artist

[01:28:52] whoever it is

[01:28:53] even if you hate me

[01:28:54] i still see you

[01:28:56] do you think you are hated

[01:28:57] publicly

[01:28:59] of course

[01:28:59] yeah

[01:29:00] of course

[01:29:01] like if

[01:29:02] even if they feel hate for me

[01:29:04] i still

[01:29:05] come out

[01:29:07] with an empathy

[01:29:08] because i know the challenges

[01:29:09] we go through

[01:29:10] yeah

[01:29:10] when we go to sleep

[01:29:11] as an artist

[01:29:12] true

[01:29:13] only we know what we go through

[01:29:14] yeah

[01:29:15] and you also

[01:29:16] as an artist

[01:29:17] know

[01:29:17] yeah

[01:29:18] so again like my fight is never with an artist

[01:29:22] you know

[01:29:22] i choose me i'm not sorry

[01:29:25] i'm never sorry

[01:29:26] i choose me bro

[01:29:27] i choose me and my family first

[01:29:29] nice

[01:29:30] thanks a lot

[01:29:31] this was Prateek

[01:29:32] and i'll see you in the next one

[01:29:34] you were listening to the quince podcast