In this episode of 'Do I Like It', Prateek Lidhoo talks to one of the weirdest artists of Indian hip-hop (in a good way, we promise). Chaar Diwaari is in the house to talk about his new single 'LOVESEXDHOKA', a song that was originally made for Dibakar Banerjee's film 'LSD 2'.
He also talks about growing up with the internet, maturing as an artist, and dropping out of music school. Listen to the full interview to find out why he learnt to play tabla for three years.
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[00:00:02] Hello and welcome to Do I Like It, a show where we talk about everything.
[00:00:07] And in this episode, we will talk about the most weird thing about Indian Hip Hop.
[00:00:12] Wow! And bro, I...
[00:00:14] Great introduction!
[00:00:15] I don't mean that in a bad way.
[00:00:16] Amazing!
[00:00:17] You will find out.
[00:00:18] Very good!
[00:00:19] But what's up bro?
[00:00:20] What's up?
[00:00:21] Chaar Diwaari is in the house, in a very empty house.
[00:00:24] Yeah.
[00:00:25] Are you like a sort of an introvert kind of person?
[00:00:29] Because Chaar Diwaari and all of that.
[00:00:30] Where did the name come from?
[00:00:33] So Chaar Diwaari comes from two things.
[00:00:36] First, my mom used to tell me that Chaar Diwaari is in the house,
[00:00:39] because I used to live in my room.
[00:00:43] I still live there.
[00:00:44] And another theory is that the brain is in a skull,
[00:00:50] but imagination is infinite.
[00:00:52] So when I make music in my room, I feel infinite in Chaar Diwaari.
[00:00:55] So Chaar Diwaari in essence, weirdly represents infinity.
[00:00:59] Yes.
[00:01:00] How old are you?
[00:01:01] 21.
[00:01:02] 21.
[00:01:02] Do people tell you that you're too smart for a 21 year old?
[00:01:05] No.
[00:01:06] Even I'm not going to tell you.
[00:01:08] But I think from your music, you sound much older than you actually are.
[00:01:15] Because the kind of music other 20 year old, 21 year olds are making,
[00:01:20] your music seems much more mature than that.
[00:01:23] Your music sounds much more mature than that.
[00:01:26] Growing up, what kind of influences did you have when it comes to music?
[00:01:32] Growing up is still going on.
[00:01:34] It hasn't happened yet.
[00:01:39] I'm just starting to listen to different things.
[00:01:43] But it's usually just been Aadi Sharma.
[00:01:46] Aadi Sharma?
[00:01:47] Aadi Berman.
[00:01:48] Wow.
[00:01:49] Wow.
[00:01:51] Aadi Berman.
[00:01:53] Open Air.
[00:01:56] Obviously Raman.
[00:01:58] I'm exploring different things.
[00:01:59] I'm listening to Elvis Presley's song.
[00:02:02] Just trying to listen to as much.
[00:02:06] I always feel that 50% of my music is influences, probably more than 50%.
[00:02:11] And 50% is just imagination, feelings, whatever I want to do, the things that I see.
[00:02:17] And inspiration doesn't always come from music.
[00:02:19] It comes from other art forms, it comes from people, it comes from talking,
[00:02:24] it comes from just being.
[00:02:27] So experiences lead to influences, I feel.
[00:02:33] Nice.
[00:02:34] I noticed that you didn't say music school in 50-50% of your music.
[00:02:38] Yes.
[00:02:39] That wasn't the percentage.
[00:02:41] Music school?
[00:02:41] Because you have also, you are also, did you do a degree or not?
[00:02:45] No, I didn't.
[00:02:45] You completed it.
[00:02:47] I dropped out anyway.
[00:02:49] But I should have got a certificate from Kaidia.
[00:02:52] So true school of music, if you are watching this,
[00:02:54] I haven't got my music certificate yet.
[00:02:57] Justice for Char Diwari.
[00:02:59] I am, please.
[00:03:00] How will I get a job in the director?
[00:03:02] Please give it to me.
[00:03:04] And I was that like, music school because as a fellow bedroom producer,
[00:03:10] I always think, should I have gone to a music school?
[00:03:14] Should I have to learn theory?
[00:03:18] I haven't learned as much music as I have learned to live.
[00:03:25] That's very loaded.
[00:03:28] Because our college was in Karjat.
[00:03:31] So Solan Bada is a village, and it was quite literally in the middle of nowhere.
[00:03:37] So there, on every side, in the four directions, there was a forest.
[00:03:42] What do you say?
[00:03:43] In the four directions, each side.
[00:03:44] And, one second, my train of thought is off.
[00:03:50] What was I saying?
[00:03:52] So there was a forest.
[00:03:54] So you went out of Char Diwari to get a forest.
[00:03:56] Yes, in the four directions.
[00:03:58] And there were very few people there.
[00:04:00] So I think our closest was Manish Bia's shop.
[00:04:03] Which was also like two kilometers away from the college.
[00:04:06] We used to go there to eat.
[00:04:09] And there was this place, it was very mountainous and very isolated.
[00:04:14] And if you stay there and look at the same people over and over again,
[00:04:19] and you stay with yourself and your thoughts for a long time.
[00:04:23] So it creates a...
[00:04:25] At the same time that place is very serene.
[00:04:27] It's a very contradictory, weird environment.
[00:04:29] So we used to live in this place.
[00:04:30] I took out my high school.
[00:04:32] So before that...
[00:04:34] It was like a proper...
[00:04:35] It wasn't a one year diploma course.
[00:04:37] No, no, it was a three year degree.
[00:04:38] Bachelor of music degree.
[00:04:40] And what was the course?
[00:04:41] What was it?
[00:04:42] Engineering or music?
[00:04:44] I was enrolled in a music production course.
[00:04:48] But again, I had no production there.
[00:04:51] The main subject was me.
[00:04:53] But the things that they taught there were a little...
[00:04:58] I had done it a long time ago.
[00:04:59] So before that you started coming here?
[00:05:01] Because I was producing at the age of 13.
[00:05:03] So when I came there, I had a fair idea of what was going on.
[00:05:07] Which block do you use?
[00:05:08] I am an emerald.
[00:05:09] If I learned something there, then it's a theory.
[00:05:11] You are a member of this case.
[00:05:12] You are an FL gang.
[00:05:16] So there...
[00:05:17] I learned some songwriting, some ear training in syllabus.
[00:05:20] Apart from that, the people there, I learned a lot from them.
[00:05:23] Because the first thing I thought about was what I was making.
[00:05:26] It was very different.
[00:05:27] I just wanted to be a producer.
[00:05:28] I just wanted to be a music producer.
[00:05:31] I just wanted to make beats.
[00:05:32] Beats, right? Beat maker.
[00:05:33] I just said on the beat.
[00:05:35] That was my goal.
[00:05:37] But then I started singing there.
[00:05:41] I started singing too.
[00:05:42] I decided that I would make a song.
[00:05:46] I took some help from my friend.
[00:05:49] For confidence that I would sing.
[00:05:52] So I made a demo of a 1.5 minutes.
[00:05:54] Which I sent and sent to the whole family.
[00:05:57] Oh!
[00:05:58] When I was 17 years old.
[00:06:00] And this is which year?
[00:06:01] This was 2019.
[00:06:03] 20.
[00:06:04] 20.
[00:06:04] So basic buzz started coming.
[00:06:08] No, no, no.
[00:06:08] This is pre-Rawalala tape.
[00:06:11] No, no, no.
[00:06:11] Yes, Berg was famous.
[00:06:12] Berg was famous.
[00:06:13] 2020 Berg was famous.
[00:06:15] I did not release music until then.
[00:06:17] And Berg...
[00:06:19] If you have not heard of Berg's music.
[00:06:21] You should definitely.
[00:06:22] Crazy.
[00:06:22] Berg cooked another one.
[00:06:24] We also have a song together.
[00:06:26] Yes.
[00:06:28] So I got Berg on a show of Siddhe Moth.
[00:06:30] They were opening for Siddhe Moth, Berg and Rawal.
[00:06:34] And I talked to him after the show.
[00:06:36] And I was like, obviously fan of fan.
[00:06:38] I want to make music with you.
[00:06:41] And he gave me an email.
[00:06:42] So whenever any artist gives you an email.
[00:06:44] Then bye bye.
[00:06:46] Nothing will happen.
[00:06:47] Forget it.
[00:06:47] Go home and sleep.
[00:06:48] Nobody will ever call you.
[00:06:50] I have been there.
[00:06:52] But weirdly enough I sent them an email.
[00:06:54] And he replied to it.
[00:06:55] I sang a song called Lamha.
[00:06:57] A demo song called Lamha.
[00:06:59] I made it for a minute and a half.
[00:07:01] I sent it to him.
[00:07:03] And he wrote a proper review.
[00:07:06] He wrote two or three paragraphs.
[00:07:07] And I was very happy.
[00:07:09] I was like, wow.
[00:07:10] And what was your sound at that time?
[00:07:12] Before making beats.
[00:07:13] Trap.
[00:07:14] Hip hop.
[00:07:15] Trap.
[00:07:15] Mixes.
[00:07:16] This is what happens.
[00:07:17] Yes.
[00:07:18] Full of pales.
[00:07:20] He destroyed all the beats.
[00:07:22] He is making beats.
[00:07:24] Wow dude.
[00:07:24] I can't imagine you making a trap.
[00:07:27] Four by four trap.
[00:07:28] I have the closest I have to hip hop beat.
[00:07:31] It is violence.
[00:07:32] My song is...
[00:07:34] That is...
[00:07:35] I mean that too feels good.
[00:07:36] I like that genre also.
[00:07:38] But are you now sort of...
[00:07:40] You have gone that far.
[00:07:41] You don't want to take out a song in four chords.
[00:07:45] No no.
[00:07:45] We take it out in four chords.
[00:07:46] Why do we take it out?
[00:07:47] LSD is in four chords.
[00:07:49] There are 20 different things.
[00:07:51] But...
[00:07:51] You won't be able to do it.
[00:07:55] I think it's not wrong.
[00:07:58] No four chords were harmed during the making of this episode.
[00:08:02] In fact a lot of great music I have heard is just three chords, two chords.
[00:08:07] One chord.
[00:08:08] One chord is also here.
[00:08:09] One chord.
[00:08:10] Just one note samba.
[00:08:12] The weekend song can't feel my face.
[00:08:14] It's just three chords.
[00:08:15] And I think that melody is some genius songwriting.
[00:08:19] So yes.
[00:08:20] Everything becomes like that.
[00:08:21] Nice.
[00:08:22] So if there is somebody listening who is a bedroom producer,
[00:08:26] who wants to make beats,
[00:08:27] and they are probably in that...
[00:08:30] Asmanjas,
[00:08:31] that music school should go or not.
[00:08:34] Don't go.
[00:08:36] Okay that was...
[00:08:37] Sussing.
[00:08:38] Don't go at all.
[00:08:41] If you are going for knowledge,
[00:08:43] then you will get all the knowledge on the internet.
[00:08:45] And the money you will invest there,
[00:08:48] you could invest that directly in yourself.
[00:08:50] Get yourself some equipment.
[00:08:52] Get yourself interface.
[00:08:53] Get yourself a place to make music.
[00:08:58] Because there are some people who go to make circuit,
[00:09:00] and make other musicians.
[00:09:02] That is also possible now.
[00:09:03] There are so many communities on Discord,
[00:09:05] producers and musicians.
[00:09:09] I think it was a server for Saison the beat.
[00:09:11] There are some friends of mine who are Discord servers.
[00:09:14] There is a Discord server of Yash Raj.
[00:09:16] So all these Discord servers are there,
[00:09:18] and the producers will keep meeting you,
[00:09:20] to talk to and share your music with.
[00:09:23] The community will be there.
[00:09:24] And on the network, you have to make yourself in the music school.
[00:09:27] Also true.
[00:09:28] Not like you are yourself.
[00:09:29] Also true.
[00:09:29] So make yourself outside.
[00:09:31] Another aspect of your art history that I want to talk about
[00:09:34] is the visuals.
[00:09:36] Because starting from the beginning,
[00:09:38] you have been a very big on visuals guy.
[00:09:41] I think no one has sung your song,
[00:09:42] whose video will not be there.
[00:09:44] Every song has a video.
[00:09:46] Every single video.
[00:09:47] Every single video has a video.
[00:09:49] Even those videos are very well produced.
[00:09:51] Even the old songs that were used to sing,
[00:09:55] the camera quality will be there.
[00:09:58] But there was thought in it.
[00:10:00] So where did that sense come from?
[00:10:02] From visuals.
[00:10:03] Honestly, I am surprised that
[00:10:07] I have been able to direct my videos so far.
[00:10:10] Because when I made Kon Mira,
[00:10:12] I didn't even know how the camera works.
[00:10:16] Like I just had to press the record button.
[00:10:18] And we made Kon Mira's music video
[00:10:20] from a camera that my parents bought
[00:10:24] for someone's wedding.
[00:10:28] It was from 2-3 years.
[00:10:30] And I shot that camera and made it.
[00:10:37] My friend, my friend, Jairana,
[00:10:38] we made that video together.
[00:10:40] And I don't know how I directed it,
[00:10:44] what was possible.
[00:10:47] But it's done.
[00:10:48] I think I have never really...
[00:10:50] I never took filmmaking seriously
[00:10:52] up until the music video probably.
[00:10:56] Before that I was just like...
[00:10:58] I am still having...
[00:10:59] Barood probably was the first one
[00:11:00] which I put a lot of effort into.
[00:11:04] But before that I was just having fun with it.
[00:11:07] And yeah man...
[00:11:09] How do you design your visuals?
[00:11:12] Let's say take an example of
[00:11:15] violence.
[00:11:17] Yeah.
[00:11:17] It's all the same process.
[00:11:19] I draw stick figures.
[00:11:22] For the entire video I draw stick figures.
[00:11:24] And 70% is stick figures, 30% is improv.
[00:11:27] And who shoots these videos?
[00:11:28] Do you have a go-to guy for shooting?
[00:11:30] No, no.
[00:11:31] I have different people.
[00:11:31] Just now LSD, Lima Young, Gupta has shot
[00:11:34] D.O.P Crazy Work.
[00:11:36] And Vaibhav had made that.
[00:11:39] He has shot the music video of violence.
[00:11:41] And D.O.P is...
[00:11:42] I mean, no one is like that with me.
[00:11:45] All of them get tired of me very quickly.
[00:11:48] Because I keep on taking re-takes.
[00:11:50] So they end up getting all the band members.
[00:11:53] So no D.O.P has ever been willing to work with me again.
[00:11:57] I have never repeated a D.O.P ever.
[00:12:02] Nice.
[00:12:02] Now I want to talk about this one debate.
[00:12:06] Which I talk a lot in my artist circles.
[00:12:10] But I have never been able to talk about it with a mainstream working artist.
[00:12:16] Would you consider yourself a mainstream artist?
[00:12:18] Not yet.
[00:12:18] Not yet.
[00:12:19] No, no.
[00:12:20] Diljit Dossanj is mainstream.
[00:12:21] Oh, okay.
[00:12:22] Right now we are...
[00:12:24] No, I mean the label has come.
[00:12:26] I consider myself an artist now.
[00:12:29] You used to do it before.
[00:12:30] I was a budding artist.
[00:12:32] Now I am an artist.
[00:12:33] Exactly.
[00:12:34] After that, mainstream.
[00:12:35] I have talked about this thing till the end of time with budding artists.
[00:12:40] I want to ask you about this debate of art versus commerce.
[00:12:48] Yes.
[00:12:49] Because you have seen the art side too.
[00:12:51] Now slowly, there is a commerce too.
[00:12:53] How do you balance it and what is your approach to it?
[00:12:58] I don't know.
[00:12:59] It is very difficult.
[00:13:00] How do you navigate it?
[00:13:01] I don't know.
[00:13:02] Because I will die.
[00:13:03] The label is saying something.
[00:13:05] I am dead.
[00:13:06] I am dead.
[00:13:09] But God's grace has a great label backing.
[00:13:13] Deaf Jam hasn't given me any chance to complain.
[00:13:16] They just let me do whatever I want.
[00:13:17] They are like, here take the money.
[00:13:19] We came from Deaf Jam.
[00:13:21] We are kind.
[00:13:22] What do we have to do?
[00:13:23] What is that person doing?
[00:13:25] I saw that music video when I was editing it.
[00:13:29] I was scared at that time.
[00:13:32] But I got a crazy response.
[00:13:35] So happy for him.
[00:13:35] Jalan is okay.
[00:13:37] No.
[00:13:38] Who is Jalan?
[00:13:42] My friend in school.
[00:13:49] He has become a professor in D.V.
[00:13:51] He has become a professor.
[00:13:53] He has become a professor.
[00:13:55] I had an alternative dream of life.
[00:13:59] Professor?
[00:13:59] Yes.
[00:14:00] I was never a teacher.
[00:14:05] But I was very lucky to be a teacher.
[00:14:08] What do you say in life?
[00:14:09] But I didn't get marks.
[00:14:12] Especially.
[00:14:13] Art and commerce.
[00:14:15] How do you deal with labels?
[00:14:17] Deaf Jam has given me a lot of challenges.
[00:14:20] I want to play with them.
[00:14:21] As I feel like playing with them.
[00:14:25] I don't know how long it will last.
[00:14:26] This is also a question.
[00:14:29] But I don't know man.
[00:14:30] I think the kind of stuff you get away with,
[00:14:32] a lot of artists don't.
[00:14:33] I feel that sometimes.
[00:14:36] Especially Badood music video.
[00:14:37] I don't know how we made it bro.
[00:14:40] I don't know.
[00:14:40] We add like, I don't know.
[00:14:42] I don't know bro.
[00:14:43] I don't know.
[00:14:45] What are some of the apprehensions that you had
[00:14:50] before labels got involved?
[00:14:53] Because you might be scared.
[00:14:55] Apprehension means fear.
[00:14:57] That you might get lost in your voice.
[00:14:59] That you might get lost in your artistic side.
[00:15:00] No.
[00:15:01] I wanted money.
[00:15:03] I wanted a lot of money.
[00:15:06] No man.
[00:15:07] I never felt like that.
[00:15:08] I was not getting signed.
[00:15:12] Before signing, I was getting a little bit of it.
[00:15:13] Because I was not signed.
[00:15:15] I was doing single deals with Devs Jam.
[00:15:18] But after that, I got signed for a while.
[00:15:22] I was thinking maybe things might go left right.
[00:15:26] But it never happened.
[00:15:28] And how old were you then?
[00:15:30] Now I am 20.
[00:15:32] You know, I have been so interested in talking to people
[00:15:36] who are 20 and less years old now.
[00:15:41] Because I just wanted to talk to them about growing up with the internet.
[00:15:46] How was it like?
[00:15:48] Because your world is different from us.
[00:15:50] Have you seen a time before internet?
[00:15:53] Of course.
[00:15:54] You have.
[00:15:55] We had a computer in 2012.
[00:15:57] Before that, internet was there.
[00:16:00] Internet is 90s for technology.
[00:16:03] But I have seen a world where nobody is using internet.
[00:16:08] We are the first people on Orkut Facebook.
[00:16:10] We were not the first.
[00:16:12] People were using internet.
[00:16:13] But since 2012...
[00:16:16] Since you became a host, the thing called internet was there.
[00:16:19] More or less.
[00:16:20] What was childhood with internet like?
[00:16:22] Did your phone allow you to go to school?
[00:16:24] No.
[00:16:25] Maybe not now.
[00:16:26] I have seen it in a lot of buses.
[00:16:28] It is hidden.
[00:16:31] Officially, it is not.
[00:16:34] For me, internet has been like a third parent.
[00:16:37] Because what I have learnt, the good things and bad things,
[00:16:42] all are because of internet.
[00:16:43] My attention span is very good.
[00:16:46] As much as music has been learnt,
[00:16:49] as much as movies have seen,
[00:16:50] everything has come from the internet.
[00:16:52] And as many people as I have met,
[00:16:55] all are because of internet.
[00:16:58] I think if internet had not been there,
[00:17:00] I would have been in a whole different paradigm.
[00:17:04] Doing different things.
[00:17:04] Like what did internet look like
[00:17:09] and feel like for a 13 year old, 14 year old girl?
[00:17:13] It was funny.
[00:17:14] What did you do?
[00:17:16] First thing I downloaded the Rockstar Sarda from YouTube.
[00:17:20] The first thing I did using internet,
[00:17:23] and I spent 1.5 hours downloading it.
[00:17:24] I sang 4 MB songs.
[00:17:26] Which was amazing.
[00:17:29] I started on 2G.
[00:17:30] And it is not that old.
[00:17:33] When was this?
[00:17:34] It was 12 years ago.
[00:17:37] When the Rockstar came in 2012.
[00:17:40] It was 12 years ago.
[00:17:41] It was a great movie.
[00:17:45] I downloaded that song.
[00:17:47] And then,
[00:17:49] I used to watch Filthy Frank.
[00:17:52] The time of 2016,
[00:17:55] the time of Eiji YouTube,
[00:17:56] I would not say it was very active.
[00:18:01] I was a proper insult in my life.
[00:18:04] In 2017, I think Filthy Frank had stopped doing YouTube.
[00:18:09] So I felt that what should I do now?
[00:18:14] Because they were weirdly enough a very integral part of my life.
[00:18:19] So I had to develop my own personality after that.
[00:18:22] Which was very hard to do.
[00:18:24] That conception itself is so weird for me.
[00:18:28] Like what you said, third parent.
[00:18:30] It would be a third step parent.
[00:18:33] Because I am at the cusp of pre-internet and post-internet.
[00:18:37] I was literally the type of person who used to look like a kid.
[00:18:43] I used to take his personality.
[00:18:45] So yes.
[00:18:47] The most annoying child is the current reddit boy.
[00:18:52] So I used to be a kid with a 4-channel personality.
[00:18:55] So that was me.
[00:18:57] And how was music discovery on the internet like?
[00:19:03] Because my music taste is VH1.
[00:19:08] The one who played VH1 was my favourite song.
[00:19:12] My entire hip hop is from hip hop.
[00:19:14] I used to be very bad at VH1.
[00:19:17] Because all the English songs were played there.
[00:19:19] And I didn't listen to that many English songs.
[00:19:23] I used to listen to them when I was a kid.
[00:19:27] I used to listen to more instrumental stuff.
[00:19:29] I used to listen to electronic music,
[00:19:32] I used to listen to a lot of deadmauve music,
[00:19:34] I used to make a jazz music,
[00:19:37] I used to listen to all these things.
[00:19:39] I used to meet all these things on YouTube.
[00:19:41] Because on VH1, all these things...
[00:19:43] VH1 was the mainstream.
[00:19:45] Yes, so I didn't get electronic music on VH1.
[00:19:48] Or anywhere on TV for that matter.
[00:19:51] I remember the year that VH1 came to sing,
[00:19:55] Pitbull's Give Me Everything Tonight,
[00:19:57] the whole year was the number one song.
[00:19:59] And it was just in the name of electronic music.
[00:20:03] I chose electronic music completely.
[00:20:05] I sat on electronic music until 2018-2019.
[00:20:10] I ate it.
[00:20:11] I think there is no genre in electronic music.
[00:20:13] I haven't heard it before.
[00:20:14] Now there are so many genres.
[00:20:16] Now there are more things.
[00:20:18] But after that, I got saturated with it.
[00:20:20] I have been saturated with listening to hip hop now.
[00:20:24] I feel that over and over the same trends
[00:20:27] are becoming trap music.
[00:20:31] Till 2019, same drum kits are being used.
[00:20:34] Spinz 808.
[00:20:36] So the same pirated Spinz 808.
[00:20:39] Yes, capital drum kit, Nick Meera.
[00:20:43] Cymatics.
[00:20:44] Till now, Indian hip hop has not been made.
[00:20:49] Stop.
[00:20:51] Please.
[00:20:51] Now there are splice.
[00:20:53] There are splice now.
[00:20:54] Now there is FL in the film too.
[00:20:56] But I have used a lot of splice.
[00:20:59] Not a lot.
[00:21:00] But you know, I...
[00:21:02] Do you do that?
[00:21:03] Do you hate the producers of that loop?
[00:21:05] I used to do that.
[00:21:06] But then I became that myself.
[00:21:09] Like the main part of the jhag.
[00:21:14] I used to do that loop.
[00:21:16] Then I used to cover everything.
[00:21:18] If you chop the loop well,
[00:21:20] like treat it as a sample.
[00:21:22] Like Kanya West also does a sample.
[00:21:24] He makes a loop of songs.
[00:21:26] So that, I still respect.
[00:21:30] But when you pick up the song and stick it
[00:21:34] then it doesn't annoy me.
[00:21:37] I find it funny that
[00:21:39] like I just...
[00:21:43] What is this kit?
[00:21:45] It's a vintage Indian kit.
[00:21:47] So I have heard songs that are famous
[00:21:51] and have the same sample in them.
[00:21:53] Same sample.
[00:21:54] When Kashmir's kit comes,
[00:21:57] all the songs in that year are the same.
[00:22:01] Now Kashmir's kit is useless.
[00:22:02] But I think I have heard that slice sample in 4 famous songs.
[00:22:09] And I have also picked something from that sample pack.
[00:22:12] It's in the SD too.
[00:22:14] So I don't have it.
[00:22:17] It's funny but it's not annoying.
[00:22:20] It's funny.
[00:22:21] It's the same.
[00:22:22] It will continue.
[00:22:23] Let's come to your track
[00:22:25] for which we are discussing love, sex and betrayal.
[00:22:29] If I'm not wrong,
[00:22:30] for the picture,
[00:22:32] what was that process like?
[00:22:35] Did you get a call from there?
[00:22:36] Did you meet Ned Devakar Manerjee?
[00:22:38] No, I would love to.
[00:22:39] I am a big big big fan.
[00:22:42] I respect you more than 5% of the time.
[00:22:44] I have called many people to touch me.
[00:22:49] But they are not replying.
[00:22:52] I am not sure how he is taking this.
[00:22:55] I am a big big fan.
[00:22:58] If you are watching this,
[00:23:00] when will you reach out to them?
[00:23:03] They had just picked a music company.
[00:23:06] So they reached out to me.
[00:23:08] They asked me to make a song like this.
[00:23:09] And then I made a song.
[00:23:12] I got a brief about how to make a song.
[00:23:17] And they asked me to do it.
[00:23:20] This is the title track of GlobSex.
[00:23:23] We don't like music.
[00:23:25] We like the lyrics of this song.
[00:23:28] You make your own music and take the lyrics of it.
[00:23:31] Make a song.
[00:23:32] I said,
[00:23:33] I don't do this.
[00:23:35] I do this for you.
[00:23:37] I interpret this song according to myself.
[00:23:40] And I make a different song according to myself.
[00:23:44] So that was the song that they gave me.
[00:23:46] It was like a very peppy,
[00:23:50] regular Bollywood type song.
[00:23:52] And I said,
[00:23:53] I made the Bollywood a bit satirical.
[00:23:55] I covered 80s Bollywood.
[00:23:58] And I made everything with my own lyrics.
[00:24:00] And then they went to a third guy.
[00:24:03] Who said,
[00:24:04] We like his music and his lyrics.
[00:24:07] So do your work.
[00:24:09] Take his music and his lyrics.
[00:24:11] Was it there for the end credit scene?
[00:24:15] Not sure.
[00:24:17] Because when I heard your song,
[00:24:19] it sounded eerily similar to the end credit song.
[00:24:23] Something like that.
[00:24:24] I love probably.
[00:24:26] If I try that title,
[00:24:28] then I think it will be the same.
[00:24:29] But something like that happened.
[00:24:32] And nobody is responsible for this.
[00:24:36] Nobody has any mistake in this.
[00:24:38] But I thought,
[00:24:40] What should I do?
[00:24:42] I thought, what should I do?
[00:24:43] I made the song.
[00:24:44] So I thought, I will make my own film.
[00:24:46] So I made my own short film.
[00:24:49] With the song.
[00:24:51] I made the song.
[00:24:52] I have a lot of Amitrivedi vibes in your singing.
[00:24:56] Very like,
[00:24:58] Amitrivedi way of
[00:24:59] twisting your words and all.
[00:25:02] I like Amitrivedi.
[00:25:04] I would love to meet him.
[00:25:05] I was starting out,
[00:25:06] you were saying, I like Amit as if he is your buddy.
[00:25:08] I like Amit.
[00:25:10] I think he is a good guy.
[00:25:11] People who come to music like this,
[00:25:13] they are good guys.
[00:25:14] I think Diljit Dushan is a good guy.
[00:25:16] I might not meet him,
[00:25:17] but he is a great guy.
[00:25:20] Tell me one thing.
[00:25:21] Where did the four hashtags come from?
[00:25:25] Stupid.
[00:25:26] But there are four wallets.
[00:25:29] There are four hashtags in between.
[00:25:32] Oh!
[00:25:35] It's not that deep.
[00:25:36] There is one hashtag.
[00:25:37] There are four wallets.
[00:25:38] It's just a single hashtag.
[00:25:41] It's not swag.
[00:25:43] It should be a little bit of a thong.
[00:25:47] Okay, so you are 21
[00:25:49] right now.
[00:25:52] What do you think about
[00:25:54] maturing as an artist?
[00:25:56] Like one thing that I notice
[00:25:58] about myself is
[00:25:59] that I have already made mistakes in my life.
[00:26:02] And now I have to
[00:26:05] start making content.
[00:26:06] But both these things are happening with you.
[00:26:09] That's right.
[00:26:10] I am so happy
[00:26:13] that my mistakes
[00:26:15] are not on the internet.
[00:26:17] Yes, they are.
[00:26:18] There are a lot of mistakes on the internet.
[00:26:21] So how is that like maturing
[00:26:22] as an artist?
[00:26:24] Very easy.
[00:26:26] I try not to think about it.
[00:26:28] But it is scary.
[00:26:31] Sometimes I don't like
[00:26:32] that I...
[00:26:33] You are too young.
[00:26:34] I don't even know that.
[00:26:36] I didn't know anything
[00:26:38] at the age of 21.
[00:26:42] But what do you say?
[00:26:45] And you have been doing it for
[00:26:46] what, 3-4 years?
[00:26:47] 3 years releasing.
[00:26:49] So that would be 19.
[00:26:51] From when?
[00:26:52] From the age of 19.
[00:26:54] I didn't know
[00:26:57] which exam I had to take
[00:27:02] for the exam.
[00:27:05] Then what were you studying?
[00:27:06] I am saying that
[00:27:09] we were
[00:27:11] the collective stupid people.
[00:27:13] I have read humanities.
[00:27:14] I also took coaching.
[00:27:15] You should have known.
[00:27:17] We were so simple kids
[00:27:20] that we didn't know anything.
[00:27:22] I know.
[00:27:23] I can't even imagine people like you.
[00:27:26] A lot of people tell me
[00:27:28] that
[00:27:30] I am 20 years old
[00:27:31] and I am young.
[00:27:32] I don't know man.
[00:27:35] I don't know.
[00:27:35] I don't think about it too much.
[00:27:40] There are people younger than me
[00:27:41] who are making better music than me.
[00:27:43] So then...
[00:27:44] So what do you think about them?
[00:27:46] Nothing.
[00:27:48] No, no.
[00:27:51] I used to live with one guy.
[00:27:52] Yes. He has made one of my beats.
[00:27:55] Yes.
[00:27:56] I am sorry.
[00:27:57] I am sorry.
[00:27:57] He is a genius.
[00:28:01] He was 14 years old
[00:28:03] when he produced a song for C-Demod.
[00:28:05] He was a little crazy.
[00:28:08] But once you gain consciousness
[00:28:10] then I am a thai.
[00:28:12] Make whatever you want.
[00:28:14] So how has maturing been like
[00:28:16] from 19 to 21?
[00:28:18] I don't like it sometimes.
[00:28:20] I don't like maturing as an artist
[00:28:22] because it's very
[00:28:24] uncomfortable.
[00:28:25] But I also like it very much at the same time
[00:28:27] because it gives you a lot of liberation
[00:28:29] to do what you want.
[00:28:31] And being able to write the songs that you want to write.
[00:28:34] Because I think
[00:28:35] I couldn't make love sex song for a year
[00:28:38] because I was incapable of
[00:28:39] arranging a song like that
[00:28:42] but I can do it now.
[00:28:43] I thought you are going to say that I couldn't make it
[00:28:44] because I didn't have the respect.
[00:28:49] No comments.
[00:28:51] What do you say?
[00:28:53] But yes, I can do better arrangement
[00:28:55] and the songs that are coming
[00:28:57] hopefully they will be able to
[00:29:00] be made more openly.
[00:29:02] But you said maturing is
[00:29:03] in terms of sound.
[00:29:05] How is maturing happening now?
[00:29:08] Because literally all eyes are on you
[00:29:10] and you travel in metro.
[00:29:12] I have come from metro.
[00:29:14] You have come from metro.
[00:29:15] What is your background?
[00:29:15] I am not from Sharo.
[00:29:18] I have seen people
[00:29:20] with much
[00:29:23] lesser fame
[00:29:25] who are like
[00:29:26] no we can get
[00:29:27] our cars from the cab.
[00:29:29] We can't come from metro.
[00:29:30] I don't know
[00:29:33] it's good to come in metro
[00:29:35] and
[00:29:37] yes, it hasn't become so famous yet.
[00:29:39] What are you saying?
[00:29:41] You don't get scared
[00:29:43] when you are in metro.
[00:29:45] Yes, it's a different show.
[00:29:46] You know everything about the show.
[00:29:48] People are coming from metro
[00:29:50] and they are listening to the music
[00:29:52] and they are taking the kids to the beach.
[00:29:56] They are listening to the music.
[00:29:57] What do you think is
[00:29:58] the best and the worst part of
[00:30:01] sort of
[00:30:02] buzzing up so quickly
[00:30:04] and so early in your life?
[00:30:11] Again I don't think
[00:30:14] about things that are not in my control.
[00:30:17] I am thinking
[00:30:19] if I start thinking about
[00:30:22] basically I don't think about
[00:30:26] perception.
[00:30:28] I don't think about
[00:30:29] someone's perception.
[00:30:31] How things are
[00:30:34] and how fast it is going
[00:30:36] and all that.
[00:30:38] You can control it
[00:30:39] but you will keep on thinking
[00:30:41] about it.
[00:30:43] So I like to not think about it too much.
[00:30:46] I like to look inwards
[00:30:47] and if I look
[00:30:49] outwards to look inwards
[00:30:51] I don't look outwards about my perception.
[00:30:55] It's not like
[00:30:56] I never do.
[00:30:59] I am a little guilty
[00:31:01] of searching
[00:31:03] my name on twitter
[00:31:06] and sometimes
[00:31:07] and like latest
[00:31:08] and sometimes I use Reddit
[00:31:09] to write my name.
[00:31:12] But
[00:31:13] that is I don't like doing that.
[00:31:15] I do it but I don't like doing that.
[00:31:19] this is the one thing
[00:31:20] if I start thinking about
[00:31:20] perception
[00:31:23] then I will go crazy.
[00:31:25] Because I am a very polarizing artist.
[00:31:27] I am not a very
[00:31:29] why do you say that
[00:31:32] that you are a polarizing artist?
[00:31:34] You comment on my Instagram
[00:31:34] and you comment on my Instagram.
[00:31:35] You comment on people's
[00:31:37] because
[00:31:40] because
[00:31:43] such a loud sound
[00:31:48] I don't know
[00:31:49] there is a little bit of extreme
[00:31:52] things sometimes.
[00:31:54] So obviously you won't get
[00:31:56] the same response for making
[00:31:58] something that is already well received
[00:32:00] in a different format
[00:32:02] and making something
[00:32:04] that is completely alien.
[00:32:05] So if you make something that is
[00:32:08] completely novel and alien
[00:32:09] you have one of two reactions
[00:32:11] people either like it very much
[00:32:12] or they hate it very much.
[00:32:13] Usually no in between.
[00:32:15] When I get a lukewarm reaction
[00:32:17] I get very angry.
[00:32:19] I think this song is
[00:32:20] recent past.
[00:32:23] But it is.
[00:32:25] I hate those songs
[00:32:27] that get zero hate and zero love.
[00:32:29] I need songs that get extreme hate
[00:32:31] and extreme love.
[00:32:32] That is the kind of things I try making.
[00:32:35] Has anyone sort of mistaken you
[00:32:37] from being a Bombay artist?
[00:32:39] Because for the longest time
[00:32:40] you are Bombay self.
[00:32:42] I had told your management
[00:32:43] that I would take this interview
[00:32:44] but I live in Delhi.
[00:32:48] Why do you put Bombay?
[00:32:51] I think because I don't have
[00:32:52] an Delhi accent maybe.
[00:32:55] I don't have any accent.
[00:32:56] And also maybe because
[00:32:58] you
[00:33:00] even though you are from
[00:33:02] Delhi
[00:33:02] you didn't come up from
[00:33:06] the Delhi hip hop scene.
[00:33:08] I don't speak to anyone.
[00:33:12] I don't talk to anyone.
[00:33:13] No accent.
[00:33:15] I don't speak to anyone.
[00:33:16] You have an internet accent.
[00:33:19] I just have
[00:33:20] what my family says.
[00:33:22] Nice.
[00:33:23] Interesting.
[00:33:25] Do you ever think about
[00:33:26] future?
[00:33:29] Your future? My future.
[00:33:30] Your music's future? I think about
[00:33:32] future, not my future
[00:33:34] much. Again
[00:33:35] perception.
[00:33:38] I want to
[00:33:41] create things
[00:33:43] because
[00:33:44] I think that
[00:33:45] things are convenient.
[00:33:48] They apply
[00:33:50] in everything.
[00:33:51] In technology, art
[00:33:54] everyday things
[00:33:55] everywhere things just keep getting
[00:33:58] convenient as time goes on.
[00:34:00] So I think
[00:34:02] if
[00:34:03] music is like that
[00:34:05] then how do you
[00:34:06] live in your harmony case
[00:34:07] if you are old
[00:34:10] classical pieces
[00:34:12] Renaissance pieces
[00:34:14] then you will get 19th century
[00:34:17] pieces. They are very harmonically rich.
[00:34:19] Along with time, harmony
[00:34:21] is over.
[00:34:22] It keeps going on and on.
[00:34:25] Same thing with
[00:34:26] melody in India because in India, harmony
[00:34:28] was not there. In India, only
[00:34:31] melody and melody were very complex
[00:34:33] Now melody
[00:34:34] comes down in India.
[00:34:36] But at the same time
[00:34:38] the third aspect of music which was sound
[00:34:40] design that gets little
[00:34:43] complex along with time.
[00:34:44] So things get
[00:34:46] convenient there.
[00:34:47] So in one place, there are three lines
[00:34:49] harmony, melody and sound design
[00:34:51] are getting mixed in one place.
[00:34:53] So I think
[00:34:54] if things continue like this
[00:34:57] then what will happen
[00:35:00] with sound as a whole?
[00:35:03] With music
[00:35:03] and how technology effects sound also
[00:35:06] When stereo comes
[00:35:07] after that
[00:35:10] music as a whole changes
[00:35:11] and when synthesizers come
[00:35:14] When album comes
[00:35:15] LP
[00:35:15] Technology and how
[00:35:18] For example, AI
[00:35:20] How that will affect
[00:35:22] music
[00:35:24] I have gotten my hands into it.
[00:35:27] I have started trying things out
[00:35:29] but now it's
[00:35:31] in a very early stage
[00:35:33] I have to see how that
[00:35:35] will be seamlessly integrated in the workflow
[00:35:37] On FL there are a lot of
[00:35:39] AI tools, chord generators
[00:35:41] but they are still
[00:35:42] I look at the future
[00:35:45] in terms of what the future
[00:35:47] gets. What the future will
[00:35:49] bring instead of
[00:35:51] what I will do type thing
[00:35:53] Yeah
[00:35:54] I have to do one thing, make a movie
[00:35:56] in the future
[00:35:58] I will make a movie
[00:35:59] I have to do one thing
[00:36:03] and make an album
[00:36:06] We will see
[00:36:07] We will see
[00:36:08] Okay we are going to close in a bit
[00:36:11] and my next question is going to be
[00:36:13] in that zone only
[00:36:15] If you
[00:36:18] What would you do at the age of 40
[00:36:21] Do you
[00:36:23] ever think about it?
[00:36:24] I don't know man
[00:36:27] At the age of 40
[00:36:29] I don't know man
[00:36:31] Bro I have
[00:36:32] I think I have made a movie
[00:36:34] You must have made a movie
[00:36:35] Yes I have
[00:36:36] If it's not then what is it
[00:36:39] I have been in that for 40 years
[00:36:41] Please
[00:36:41] After 40 years, rerun this video
[00:36:46] At least do this much
[00:36:48] Come on
[00:36:51] Interesting
[00:36:51] What are you working on these days
[00:36:54] I am making an EP
[00:36:55] It's an EP named Diwari and my world
[00:36:58] I have been doing a lot of teas
[00:37:00] but I could never finish
[00:37:02] So is love sex
[00:37:04] Dhoka going to be a part of that
[00:37:05] No only
[00:37:06] 5 fresh songs
[00:37:09] Nice
[00:37:11] Do you do like a cipher
[00:37:13] than freestyle then all?
[00:37:14] No
[00:37:15] I just work and rap
[00:37:20] What has been your relationship
[00:37:22] with hip hop
[00:37:24] Do you consider yourself a hip hop head
[00:37:26] No
[00:37:27] I am
[00:37:29] What do you say
[00:37:31] A culture waltz
[00:37:32] I use the wrong
[00:37:35] I
[00:37:37] I like hip hop for the liberation that it brings you
[00:37:40] You can do anything
[00:37:41] You can do anything you want to
[00:37:43] I like that
[00:37:47] That you can do anything
[00:37:48] So I do anything
[00:37:50] This is my favorite part of hip hop
[00:37:53] Don't you play instruments?
[00:37:55] I play piano but I work
[00:37:57] I play three fingers
[00:37:59] One instrument
[00:38:01] is playing tabla
[00:38:03] You can call me and play tabla
[00:38:05] I play tabla
[00:38:07] Tabla is with me
[00:38:09] Tabla I have learnt
[00:38:10] for 3 years
[00:38:11] I learnt one instrument
[00:38:13] which I will never get
[00:38:15] One thing that I learnt
[00:38:17] which I assure you that you will never get
[00:38:19] I thought that I will do something like this
[00:38:22] and I will never see girls
[00:38:23] And why tabla?
[00:38:26] I don't know
[00:38:26] My parents taught me
[00:38:28] Again I was jealous of a person
[00:38:32] because
[00:38:32] there was a boy
[00:38:34] who used to play tabla
[00:38:36] and the thing is
[00:38:38] he is a Lotha
[00:38:40] who used to play tabla in the world
[00:38:43] because he used to be a watch
[00:38:45] and he used to play tabla
[00:38:47] so you will wear it
[00:38:49] then he will do it
[00:38:51] and then he will put it on his hand
[00:38:53] and then he would play tabla
[00:38:55] so it was very cool
[00:38:57] I wanted to be cool
[00:39:00] but for 5 years
[00:39:02] no sex at all
[00:39:03] Now talking about the past
[00:39:04] what did you do bro?
[00:39:07] Yes I learnt to learn piano
[00:39:08] I learnt to sing
[00:39:09] I learnt anything
[00:39:14] So yes this was
[00:39:16] Garv Aka 4 Diwari
[00:39:19] a very
[00:39:21] vibrant little
[00:39:22] artist who has been
[00:39:24] on my radar for some time
[00:39:25] and I like this guy's music
[00:39:28] for visual style and the whole
[00:39:30] aura about it
[00:39:32] It's very intentional
[00:39:33] If someone tells me that you are an industry plant
[00:39:36] then I will not be surprised
[00:39:37] Bro I told you in the middle
[00:39:39] You feel it?
[00:39:41] Because your
[00:39:42] your
[00:39:42] you know
[00:39:45] everything that you do is so
[00:39:48] polished
[00:39:48] You can't be like this
[00:39:50] Your own style
[00:39:52] should be freestyle
[00:39:55] You are an industry plant
[00:39:58] We are breaking
[00:39:59] We are exposing
[00:40:02] the industry plant
[00:40:03] Yes
[00:40:04] Yes
[00:40:06] Thanks a lot bro for talking to me
[00:40:09] and I hope you
[00:40:12] do amazing work
[00:40:13] in the future and we will be on
[00:40:15] till court. Thank you everyone
[00:40:17] This was Prateek and I will see you in the next one