[00:00:00] Hi, a big hello and welcome to my show Unbound I'm your host Mamtaa. A space curated for
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[00:00:42] Second generation entrepreneurship of need is so low to carry all those expectations
[00:00:50] of success. How has it been for you?
[00:00:54] Blood coffee. I think since childhood you keep on getting this, your father's work
[00:01:04] is not necessary. But actually when you get into it then you feel what kind of pressure.
[00:01:10] I think when you don't have anything to lose, you can take much better bets and risk.
[00:01:18] But once you know that you have to make this successful and especially when your father
[00:01:24] is one of the leading entrepreneurs in that particular industry and the kind of success
[00:01:31] that he has tasted and I have to grow that. I think the men's of pressure it's not easy
[00:01:38] and you have to be an all-rounder. The biggest part is you have to be an engineer,
[00:01:44] you have to be an accountant, you have to be a brand manager. And trust me it's very
[00:01:52] difficult to be an all-rounder. I was not an engineering student.
[00:01:56] I was a complete commerce student. After joining for about two or three years I was grating
[00:02:04] that why didn't I do engineering and I had to learn from scratch. I have literally worked
[00:02:13] on machines, I have literally dealt with the low, you know, with this very semi-skilled
[00:02:20] labours or maybe unskilled labours. And I've been with all of them I'm really proud of
[00:02:27] doing all that and that's where I learned the smallest things.
[00:02:32] So actually, you've got it easy becomes the hardest thing for you.
[00:02:37] Yeah, it is. It's the most hardest thing I think. I think to carry on that legacy that
[00:02:45] kind of pressure plus changing the mindset of everyone in your organization is the worst
[00:02:54] and very difficult part because everybody has a mindset that he is born in a silver
[00:02:59] sport and you know, you'll not be able to do anything.
[00:03:03] Yeah, what you're saying I hear you, I completely hear you and it's a very beautiful point
[00:03:07] you've got me too because in Bollywood we have nepotism. But nobody actually gets
[00:03:14] to see that the expectation of the success of the pressure is that you need to not
[00:03:21] get to know things and if you have wronged yourself, you could be the first time entrepreneur
[00:03:26] and you can fail. But if you the second generation entrepreneur, can you really be a failure?
[00:03:32] That's the biggest thing that I'm trying to tell you. Then people come and said that
[00:03:37] Sarakuch's father has done it and he has done it. And I hear this with a lot of people
[00:03:44] and sometimes I know the guy has really worked hard. It was, you know, there were multiple
[00:03:50] reasons that, you know, he could not get success on that particular product or etc. But,
[00:03:58] you know, it's completely sometime out of hands. Absolutely. And then you just blame one
[00:04:04] person is completely blamed for everything. And he's written off also. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:04:10] We are quick to write off people. Yeah, absolutely. And Jhatak nepotism ki baat hai, there
[00:04:15] is absolutely no nepotism. I'll tell you why. In my case, you know, consumer has to decide.
[00:04:25] They don't see my face and buy something. Correct. In terms of any other industry, they like
[00:04:33] your acting. They will give you success. They don't like your acting. They will never give
[00:04:38] you success. No matter what. And same goes with the, I think, politics. They will like somebody
[00:04:44] they will elect. They will not like somebody. They will not elect. And one important thing, see,
[00:04:53] for any father, they want their children to be successful. They'll not do for their neighbors
[00:05:00] and they will do for their own babies first. Okay, before they do for something for somebody.
[00:05:06] So, they will try their best that, you know, whatever things they could not do, they will do for
[00:05:12] their kids or at least they want them to be established. Yeah, so is it wrong to, you know,
[00:05:20] treat your kids or, you know, make them establish somewhere? This is completely out of
[00:05:26] the same guys who are saying this. They'll be successful and doing the same thing for their kids.
[00:05:30] Kids as well. Yeah, that's good.
[00:05:32] You're saying that after 25 years, you said that you will talk to their children.
[00:05:38] Okay. And the other ones will be, and these are the ones who will be on the lines of engineering
[00:05:44] college, where they will not send their children to their own babies. That they will go to the
[00:05:48] future. Don't worry. So, okay, I mean just to get something
[00:05:55] need of the R.A. a little spike. So, it's all fun in India.
[00:05:59] But what about the leadership styles of need? Because again,
[00:06:03] when it is about anything getting passed down generationally, and of course you are very
[00:06:10] different from a generation before and as a leader, you will stand for very different maybe
[00:06:15] ethos, values or even maybe processes. So, how
[00:06:22] leaders are born, Manta. They're not developed. Let me tell you, it's inherent.
[00:06:28] Leaders cannot be developed. May I see it? If you have leadership quality,
[00:06:33] it will be there in you. You can't develop, that I have 4 books for you. I am a leader
[00:06:41] man here. So, okay. Yes, you can improve by all these guidance. You can definitely improvise
[00:06:51] what is happening. But you're saying that I will do something and become leader. It's not
[00:06:56] that. It's inherent. You are born with it and some people are very good managers,
[00:07:03] some people are very good leaders. Some people are very skillful people.
[00:07:08] So, that's what I'm trying to tell you. It's very difficult to be an old ronda.
[00:07:12] So, yes, I think one quality that comes from maybe my father that how to become a very good leader.
[00:07:23] And since childhood, I was always wanted to be leading the stuff. And today also,
[00:07:33] I take a lot of responsibility. But was this your dream?
[00:07:37] In terms of my dream was, you said your dream. So, my dream was we had read somewhere.
[00:07:49] Now we had to change our direction in the same category, but at a different level.
[00:07:57] So, that was my dream. Okay. I was seeing a lot of changes happening in the country and how things
[00:08:03] were changing. A lot of people were going really in a traditional manner. Yeah. And I wanted to change
[00:08:11] the mindset. So, that was my dream because I was really fed up when people used to say,
[00:08:19] this is not possible. That's the first thing. It's so quick that anything that goes for a change
[00:08:26] about 10-20 years back, especially 10-10 years back, this is a very different country
[00:08:35] and things can't change very easily over here. Yeah. And all thanks to our GenGs,
[00:08:41] our Alpha, Millennials, they changed, they experimented and look, we just changed the whole
[00:08:49] narrative today. Yeah. They pasted it on the faces. We are the change. Yeah.
[00:08:55] And they are proven cons, but yeah. And one thing, see, and then even the elder generation,
[00:09:06] yeah. I would not say they were forced to, but they had to. They had to.
[00:09:12] They had to. They had to. They had to. They had to. They had to. They had to.
[00:09:23] They had to do what's up. They had to do what's up. They have learned it.
[00:09:30] The morning messages are being forwarded by, I think the most of that generation is the one who's
[00:09:35] doing that in family groups. Exactly. So, yeah.
[00:09:48] In fact, my first day at SPPL, I didn't know the way I had to,
[00:09:55] until Google Maps, so a lot of people asked me about my office. I don't know.
[00:10:02] My husband. Where is my factory? So, we were never involved. We were never involved the best thing.
[00:10:09] As I told you, it's the guidance of my father has been in such a way that he wanted me to enjoy
[00:10:17] all the childhood moments, my things. He didn't want and when I, and this was my decision
[00:10:25] because I was working somewhere. I got an opportunity in Bangalore wanting to go there.
[00:10:33] Then somebody told me that,
[00:10:36] if someone is doing good, you should do your own work and you should spend time doing that.
[00:10:45] And then this was a transformation in our business also. So, I thought that there are more
[00:10:50] hands required. And then I took that decision and yeah, so I started working. That was the
[00:11:01] funniest part. And I can't even tell my dad about the rest of it. Or anybody in fact.
[00:11:09] And he said he doesn't know his own factory. I used to visit once a year during some pujas.
[00:11:17] So, I had no idea. Finally, I reached two-three days and then I was pretty regular and knew the way.
[00:11:24] Until today, see, focus is very important for everyone. What is focus? And what is work?
[00:11:32] I go to work from home. I come home from work. I don't know that in noida next
[00:11:40] to what is happening. What is what? Because you are so focused in your work that you should be
[00:11:48] really aligned with what is happening in your organization. I have seen a lot of people work
[00:11:54] place's as fast as it is. That's all I know. Till today, I think same goes with the chairman.
[00:12:04] I don't think so. He must be knowing a lot of stuff. What is going on around and what are the
[00:12:08] ways or what is it? It's just that now you have to take some ways and you have a lot of meeting.
[00:12:14] That's another thing or a lot of investments that we keep on doing. That's a different question.
[00:12:20] But when it comes to work, you're so focused from A to B, B to A, that's it.
[00:12:26] That's a reality. And I'm sure it must be exactly the way that you're saying but guys don't buy
[00:12:33] into it completely because what is happening here? What is happening at home? What is happening in the
[00:12:38] office? What is happening in the office? He can also be concerned that he's so hands on with his
[00:12:43] current affairs, knowledge, with his news consumption that journalists call him for the head.
[00:12:48] Like would you want to say something on that of me?
[00:12:52] Yeah. It's now obsession.
[00:12:54] I love, I live for news.
[00:12:59] Okay, I live for news or making news.
[00:13:05] But I'm happy that I'm living for news.
[00:13:07] Until unless I don't get any two, three big news in a day, I think I don't think I'll have to go out.
[00:13:14] Okay, that's a world current affairs.
[00:13:17] Yeah, it's a world of caution to our PR-walla also.
[00:13:21] It's not going to be easy to work with.
[00:13:24] So from you were known to be a very naughty child.
[00:13:28] Yeah. Very.
[00:13:29] And perhaps that's not gone out of your system too.
[00:13:31] Absolutely.
[00:13:35] Very naughty.
[00:13:36] Very much.
[00:13:37] I used to be one of the naughty scared in my class, in my whole section.
[00:13:43] Okay.
[00:13:44] And I used to be, I should do everything from making bombs in classroom when I was in ninth class.
[00:13:55] Breaking tube lights.
[00:13:57] Malab, what are you not doing?
[00:14:01] Then the best part was that I was also a big school man.
[00:14:04] Is it great?
[00:14:05] No, no, I used to love it.
[00:14:06] I'm saying that I was very good.
[00:14:11] So,
[00:14:13] focus with the whole art.
[00:14:14] I used to be with the focus.
[00:14:16] And everybody used to see there were two, three guys.
[00:14:20] But it was really, so we were very naughty.
[00:14:25] There was no such thing that we didn't do anything.
[00:14:30] But we were not disrespectful.
[00:14:34] Okay, we were very naughty but we were never disrespectful.
[00:14:37] Disrespectful.
[00:14:39] Plus, one more thing was that we had that kind of connections with the relationship.
[00:14:46] Basically, we were also getting hit but we were also getting in love.
[00:14:50] And I said, you are not getting naughty and then Mr. Chairman has come to your rescue
[00:14:55] and go home and become a little bit more angry.
[00:14:57] I know that.
[00:14:58] There is a thing which I have never revealed.
[00:15:01] And that's why I just,
[00:15:03] so, one by one, I got suspended from school.
[00:15:10] And I did something.
[00:15:13] And I was really worried that
[00:15:16] the house would go up.
[00:15:17] And my mom used to go everywhere in school because my dad used to be really busy.
[00:15:23] So,
[00:15:24] I was told that today,
[00:15:25] so my dad,
[00:15:28] my dad and my mom asked me what happened.
[00:15:31] He said he suspended us and studied.
[00:15:34] What's the class?
[00:15:36] I think 9th, 9th.
[00:15:37] Okay.
[00:15:38] Crucially as.
[00:15:39] Crucially as.
[00:15:40] We all have a family.
[00:15:43] And we have kids like that to handle.
[00:15:46] I think my mom and my mother, how crucial all the years has been.
[00:15:51] So,
[00:15:52] he asked what happened
[00:15:56] why he got suspended.
[00:15:59] So, he said whatever the reason was,
[00:16:03] he called me.
[00:16:04] I said boss,
[00:16:05] now I am told.
[00:16:07] He has right left and center.
[00:16:10] I will be completely house arrest.
[00:16:14] And everything will be no outing.
[00:16:17] Grounded.
[00:16:19] Completely grounded.
[00:16:20] He said,
[00:16:22] I don't want to see him.
[00:16:23] I will be strict with him.
[00:16:28] He had to do something.
[00:16:29] He was a little suspended.
[00:16:35] Like he is that daring person.
[00:16:37] Yes, because he has done so much.
[00:16:39] He asked me,
[00:16:40] he said,
[00:16:41] I have to think about the suspended.
[00:16:44] Do something like this.
[00:16:46] Do something.
[00:16:47] No, no.
[00:16:48] Exactly.
[00:16:50] And that was 9th.
[00:16:51] So,
[00:16:52] yeah,
[00:16:52] oh,
[00:16:53] then,
[00:16:55] that was a
[00:16:56] pretty
[00:16:57] and I was not expecting this.
[00:16:59] I was not at all expecting this.
[00:17:01] And he
[00:17:03] that's how we grew.
[00:17:05] I was really scared of my father.
[00:17:07] Very scared.
[00:17:08] Very much.
[00:17:09] And he never used to
[00:17:10] say anything.
[00:17:12] But
[00:17:12] I think he was so daring.
[00:17:13] When someone doesn't speak,
[00:17:15] they don't know what's going to happen.
[00:17:18] Fear.
[00:17:18] Very scared.
[00:17:20] Yes.
[00:17:21] So, after that,
[00:17:22] it's a little bit better.
[00:17:23] Things got
[00:17:24] time.
[00:17:24] Things got
[00:17:25] and
[00:17:26] then
[00:17:27] they do more of
[00:17:30] friend sort of
[00:17:31] respect for their
[00:17:34] Dad.
[00:17:38] Derbowy respect.
[00:17:40] I mean,
[00:17:41] Der is
[00:17:42] respect because
[00:17:45] work has no age limits.
[00:17:50] And when you do work,
[00:17:52] I treat everybody as equal.
[00:17:55] My
[00:17:56] sense is that
[00:17:57] that's the truth.
[00:17:58] That's the truth.
[00:17:59] That's the truth.
[00:18:00] I'm
[00:18:00] a
[00:18:01] sometimes somebody is at 40.
[00:18:03] At work,
[00:18:03] you have to be
[00:18:04] skillful.
[00:18:06] So, your output
[00:18:08] is
[00:18:08] has to
[00:18:09] contribute.
[00:18:11] When
[00:18:11] contribution
[00:18:12] is lack,
[00:18:14] respectfully
[00:18:14] I tell you
[00:18:15] that this is where we are going
[00:18:17] wrong.
[00:18:18] Okay.
[00:18:19] But it has to be correct.
[00:18:21] The confidence
[00:18:22] has come
[00:18:23] because this is also
[00:18:24] kind of
[00:18:25] the
[00:18:25] child of the 17th
[00:18:26] or so.
[00:18:26] I mean,
[00:18:27] before
[00:18:27] I'm
[00:18:27] working in a factory.
[00:18:29] He's a skill
[00:18:30] labor
[00:18:30] or somebody who's
[00:18:31] been with the
[00:18:32] legacy of the business
[00:18:34] but
[00:18:34] I have to tell him
[00:18:36] that he's not right.
[00:18:37] Confidence
[00:18:38] is
[00:18:38] you know.
[00:18:39] So as
[00:18:40] a
[00:18:40] then you have to
[00:18:40] that's what
[00:18:41] you have to say.
[00:18:42] See,
[00:18:42] I've never spoke about
[00:18:44] my struggle.
[00:18:45] Five years
[00:18:46] and never sat
[00:18:47] in a
[00:18:48] today also,
[00:18:48] I don't have a
[00:18:49] cable.
[00:18:49] By the way,
[00:18:50] if I
[00:18:50] were to do
[00:18:51] any of my
[00:18:51] all my offices,
[00:18:53] I don't have any
[00:18:53] cable.
[00:18:54] Okay.
[00:18:55] Uh,
[00:18:55] maybe
[00:18:57] even my
[00:18:58] any
[00:18:58] commerce office
[00:18:59] maybe
[00:19:00] my factory
[00:19:01] other corporate
[00:19:02] offices
[00:19:03] branch or I don't have a
[00:19:04] cable.
[00:19:05] Okay.
[00:19:05] I'm a better
[00:19:05] cable.
[00:19:07] Oh.
[00:19:07] Okay.
[00:19:07] So,
[00:19:07] so,
[00:19:08] I'll
[00:19:08] bet
[00:19:08] on
[00:19:09] okay.
[00:19:09] Or
[00:19:09] or
[00:19:11] or conference.
[00:19:11] Uh,
[00:19:11] which
[00:19:12] may
[00:19:13] uh,
[00:19:13] conference
[00:19:14] all my
[00:19:14] bad
[00:19:14] good to do work.
[00:19:16] Second
[00:19:18] for first five years,
[00:19:21] I
[00:19:23] and that decision I took
[00:19:24] I went to each
[00:19:25] and every department.
[00:19:27] Worked in every department
[00:19:30] and
[00:19:30] in case
[00:19:31] Sada used to have
[00:19:32] some time lunch also
[00:19:33] work with them,
[00:19:34] work with the
[00:19:34] labor
[00:19:35] work with
[00:19:36] every employees
[00:19:37] everyone
[00:19:38] okay.
[00:19:39] With them
[00:19:40] just to get
[00:19:40] in the
[00:19:41] feel
[00:19:41] key ho
[00:19:42] care
[00:19:43] and learn everything.
[00:19:44] So, confidence
[00:19:45] has
[00:19:45] been you know
[00:19:46] everything in terms
[00:19:48] of
[00:19:48] you ground
[00:19:49] s is
[00:19:49] uh,
[00:19:50] niche
[00:19:50] s is
[00:19:50] a
[00:19:51] you
[00:19:51] things are
[00:19:52] part of the
[00:19:52] thing this is
[00:19:53] where the lack is
[00:19:55] this is where you
[00:19:56] have to improve.
[00:19:57] This is where you
[00:19:59] this is going really well.
[00:20:00] You need to
[00:20:01] you know
[00:20:02] know this
[00:20:03] very well.
[00:20:04] So, when you know
[00:20:04] this number game
[00:20:06] and when you know
[00:20:07] how things are
[00:20:08] you're
[00:20:08] not
[00:20:09] confident.
[00:20:09] So,
[00:20:09] then if anybody
[00:20:10] will question me
[00:20:11] I should have that answer.
[00:20:13] And when people had this
[00:20:15] question
[00:20:16] so, a few people
[00:20:16] have
[00:20:16] completely
[00:20:17] revealed
[00:20:18] okay.
[00:20:18] And we're not there
[00:20:20] in the organization
[00:20:21] and I never said
[00:20:22] that to fire them
[00:20:24] they just went by
[00:20:25] themselves
[00:20:26] because they know
[00:20:26] what were the things
[00:20:27] that they were not
[00:20:28] doing correct
[00:20:29] okay
[00:20:30] and at that age
[00:20:31] it cannot be corrected also
[00:20:34] sometimes it happens.
[00:20:35] But, I mean,
[00:20:35] a lot of things
[00:20:36] is segmented
[00:20:37] before the
[00:20:39] I didn't come from an
[00:20:39] engineering background to now
[00:20:41] leading
[00:20:42] India's largest
[00:20:45] smart TV
[00:20:46] manufacturing
[00:20:47] you know
[00:20:47] this is
[00:20:49] make up
[00:20:49] sometime I
[00:20:50] don't I also don't believe
[00:20:52] I went to Google head office
[00:20:54] okay
[00:20:55] where
[00:20:56] mountain view
[00:20:58] to their
[00:21:00] main building
[00:21:01] okay
[00:21:02] a guy who doesn't
[00:21:04] have zero knowledge of computer science
[00:21:06] doesn't come from engineering
[00:21:08] background okay
[00:21:10] is not from iiity
[00:21:12] and he's still in that building
[00:21:14] doing business
[00:21:15] crack the deal
[00:21:17] and one of the first ones
[00:21:18] in India to do so
[00:21:19] and got that
[00:21:21] so that's for me
[00:21:23] it's a personal satisfaction
[00:21:25] because he
[00:21:26] huge
[00:21:26] yeah so
[00:21:27] Malam
[00:21:28] his answer
[00:21:28] Google can't
[00:21:29] be
[00:21:29] really
[00:21:33] and
[00:21:35] okay
[00:21:36] I'm not scared
[00:21:37] that
[00:21:38] by
[00:21:39] iiity
[00:21:40] and you know
[00:21:41] I'm not
[00:21:42] a
[00:21:42] pee
[00:21:43] it's never been a voice in you
[00:21:44] no no
[00:21:45] no no
[00:21:46] me
[00:21:47] Malam it used to be
[00:21:48] maybe
[00:21:49] in competence
[00:21:49] I can
[00:21:51] competence
[00:21:52] I can't
[00:21:53] anything
[00:21:55] Malam
[00:21:55] then
[00:21:56] something
[00:21:58] that's the point
[00:22:00] of competence
[00:22:01] a lot of
[00:22:02] things to learn
[00:22:03] yes
[00:22:04] a lot of things are happening
[00:22:06] yes
[00:22:07] but
[00:22:08] if competence
[00:22:09] is less
[00:22:10] then how can i
[00:22:11] mechanism
[00:22:13] like how do you get to that point
[00:22:15] where you can just
[00:22:16] look at yourself in the mirror
[00:22:17] and say
[00:22:18] that I can do it
[00:22:19] because a lot of people
[00:22:21] including me
[00:22:22] probably myself
[00:22:23] we're just in our judgment
[00:22:24] we're just in our judgment
[00:22:26] no
[00:22:27] I'll tell you the answer to this question
[00:22:31] is very good question
[00:22:32] when you think
[00:22:34] when you know
[00:22:35] that it was 4 hours
[00:22:37] out of this 24 hours
[00:22:39] what have you done
[00:22:40] if you're busy the whole day
[00:22:42] and it's been fruitful
[00:22:48] you did
[00:22:48] fruitful
[00:22:50] your results
[00:22:51] then your confidence
[00:22:52] what can i do with this
[00:22:55] i don't have any special super powers
[00:22:58] okay
[00:22:59] i can do one hour
[00:23:00] for 120 minutes
[00:23:02] and see that in the car
[00:23:04] okay so 60 minutes means 60 minutes
[00:23:06] you have to do in this
[00:23:07] whatever you want to
[00:23:09] you must identify
[00:23:11] that my most stressed
[00:23:13] i won't tell you
[00:23:22] you just
[00:23:23] you're the first
[00:23:25] i'm not
[00:23:26] on the show to say
[00:23:28] why do i have my strength
[00:23:30] what is my
[00:23:31] strength
[00:23:32] i want you to sell my strength
[00:23:34] that's my strength
[00:23:36] not to sell my strength
[00:23:38] okay
[00:23:39] you know
[00:23:41] this is the work
[00:23:42] this is the way
[00:23:44] tell me your strength
[00:23:45] weakness
[00:23:46] you have to meet me tomorrow
[00:23:49] you know everything about this
[00:23:52] okay
[00:23:53] i'll do it
[00:23:54] then i'll do it
[00:23:57] very well said
[00:23:58] but i've seen one thing
[00:23:59] nobody wants to listen to your bullshit
[00:24:02] nobody wants to
[00:24:03] you have a few
[00:24:05] even you have the riches
[00:24:06] even you're the head of the state
[00:24:09] nobody will take your bullshit
[00:24:11] so differentiator
[00:24:12] if you're up come
[00:24:13] what will you say
[00:24:15] as of
[00:24:16] neetzing marwa
[00:24:17] who is at helm of things
[00:24:19] taking all the shots
[00:24:21] risking it all out
[00:24:24] with any other competitor
[00:24:25] what's the biggest differentiator
[00:24:28] between
[00:24:29] of neet and anybody else
[00:24:30] or between sbpl and zamidials
[00:24:32] both ways
[00:24:34] differentiator
[00:24:36] i think the biggest differentiator
[00:24:38] in terms of
[00:24:40] our brands
[00:24:41] has been
[00:24:44] the core of the product
[00:24:46] as i told you
[00:24:47] now we'll talk about the other work
[00:24:48] for our kawgikans
[00:24:50] the other work
[00:24:51] in that
[00:24:52] the core
[00:24:55] you have to identify
[00:24:57] what are the different things
[00:24:59] i'll give you a very straightforward example
[00:25:02] more than interesting
[00:25:03] and it is very helpful for everyone
[00:25:05] after sale service
[00:25:08] very very touchy topic
[00:25:09] i think social media
[00:25:12] has
[00:25:13] the many pages
[00:25:14] of brands
[00:25:15] should be written
[00:25:17] so so brand
[00:25:18] customer care
[00:25:19] should not market it
[00:25:21] because that page
[00:25:22] is only for your complaints
[00:25:24] for complaints
[00:25:24] that's it
[00:25:25] okay
[00:25:27] conversion of a good review
[00:25:29] is only 1%
[00:25:31] on social media nowadays
[00:25:33] so
[00:25:34] then i realized
[00:25:37] complaints will go
[00:25:39] and the kind of people
[00:25:41] how they are vocal
[00:25:42] yeah
[00:25:42] you have to serve them well
[00:25:44] very small things
[00:25:47] focus on them
[00:25:49] for example
[00:25:51] there is a
[00:25:52] while selling something
[00:25:54] somewhere
[00:25:55] there is a fault in the product
[00:25:56] for example
[00:25:57] or there is a minute thing that has happened
[00:26:02] our response to that
[00:26:04] is only 3 days
[00:26:06] and not two customers
[00:26:07] at the product level
[00:26:08] it's okay
[00:26:09] okay
[00:26:10] at the product level
[00:26:12] if we have about 4 or 5 complaints
[00:26:14] same thing
[00:26:15] in a day
[00:26:15] or 3 and a half
[00:26:16] okay
[00:26:17] boss
[00:26:18] 4 days
[00:26:19] R&D is working on it
[00:26:21] 5 days will line
[00:26:22] they change
[00:26:23] okay
[00:26:24] so the new set is coming
[00:26:25] without
[00:26:27] this is
[00:26:28] and this is
[00:26:29] very very difficult
[00:26:30] to translate
[00:26:31] here
[00:26:31] to back with integration
[00:26:33] then the product failure comes
[00:26:34] to come
[00:26:36] buddy buddy
[00:26:36] i've seen a lot of big companies
[00:26:39] which do not have the manufacturing
[00:26:41] the product is going to be
[00:26:43] complained
[00:26:44] then it goes to the factory
[00:26:47] it's already taken 45 days
[00:26:49] consumer have lost the confidence
[00:26:52] and trust in you
[00:26:53] okay so this is very very small thing
[00:26:55] very small thing
[00:26:56] so that's the differentiator
[00:26:57] that differentiator
[00:26:59] i want to give to the people
[00:27:01] that the differentiator they should see
[00:27:03] like
[00:27:04] if i will buy
[00:27:06] Thomson, Kodak or any way
[00:27:08] this is the thing that i will get an extra
[00:27:11] plus
[00:27:12] again
[00:27:13] after sales
[00:27:15] we are a manufacturer
[00:27:16] saree space
[00:27:18] for years we have space
[00:27:20] if you're not a manufacturer
[00:27:21] you don't even know that what kind of failure
[00:27:23] it will be
[00:27:24] you can have one year of failure
[00:27:26] you can have some numbers
[00:27:27] but when there is a major failure
[00:27:29] what will you do
[00:27:31] you will call them
[00:27:32] where they sell
[00:27:33] you know
[00:27:34] the time it takes
[00:27:36] so for example
[00:27:37] it's a simple car
[00:27:41] no one has any brand
[00:27:44] it goes to the after sales
[00:27:45] it says it's not a part
[00:27:48] it will come from Germany
[00:27:49] it will come from Japan
[00:27:51] okay
[00:27:52] why will it come
[00:27:53] because of its
[00:27:55] they have to do it
[00:27:56] and the best of survey auto-mobile companies
[00:27:59] they never say
[00:28:00] my pants are getting worn
[00:28:02] it's coming from Germany
[00:28:03] my UK is coming
[00:28:04] I said
[00:28:05] in the head office
[00:28:06] there is a factory
[00:28:07] you will come in four days
[00:28:09] this is the difference
[00:28:11] that's why
[00:28:11] you know
[00:28:13] this brand has maximum market share
[00:28:15] in the country
[00:28:16] and they are so proud
[00:28:18] this is one of the reasons
[00:28:22] at Unbound
[00:28:24] we believe in the power of unhinged minds
[00:28:27] and untamed ideas of people
[00:28:29] from all walks of life
[00:28:31] as we sit down to talk with some of them
[00:28:34] we are listening to your voice as well
[00:28:37] so share your thoughts, ideas
[00:28:39] or take aways
[00:28:40] from this podcast
[00:28:41] as a review on Apple Podcast
[00:29:06] so
[00:29:08] see
[00:29:10] if you want to dig it down
[00:29:15] then
[00:29:16] my first thing is
[00:29:17] my instincts
[00:29:18] and my relationship
[00:29:20] Neta is really invested
[00:29:23] in so many years
[00:29:24] I work with someone
[00:29:26] I work with him
[00:29:29] I have a product
[00:29:30] brand
[00:29:31] everything is
[00:29:33] if relationship is made
[00:29:35] he is there for me
[00:29:36] I am there for him
[00:29:37] we are doing business
[00:29:38] okay
[00:29:39] business relationship
[00:29:41] then he knows that
[00:29:42] I will stand on behalf of him
[00:29:44] he will stand on behalf of him
[00:29:47] and that is very important
[00:29:48] people forget this
[00:29:50] basics
[00:29:51] basic
[00:29:52] this is a good example
[00:29:53] let's go
[00:29:54] I don't know what will happen tomorrow
[00:29:56] Thomson is exclusive on Flipkart
[00:29:59] from 2018
[00:30:01] yeah
[00:30:02] only brand
[00:30:03] only brand
[00:30:04] to be exclusive
[00:30:05] and
[00:30:07] year-on-year growth
[00:30:09] okay
[00:30:09] only brand
[00:30:11] why
[00:30:12] because
[00:30:13] that kind of relationship
[00:30:14] they had
[00:30:15] that kind of confidence
[00:30:16] we had that kind of confidence
[00:30:18] multiple
[00:30:20] levels I've got offered
[00:30:22] of
[00:30:24] huge amounts
[00:30:26] I don't know
[00:30:29] something
[00:30:30] probably that is good or bad
[00:30:32] okay
[00:30:33] that time will tell
[00:30:34] yeah
[00:30:35] okay
[00:30:35] how things progress
[00:30:37] but this is very important
[00:30:40] okay
[00:30:41] I don't differentiate
[00:30:41] up there
[00:30:42] times when we have not done really well
[00:30:44] and still
[00:30:45] we
[00:30:46] took that decision
[00:30:49] okay
[00:30:50] well this is one of the key differentiators
[00:30:55] to have that kind of relationship
[00:30:57] yeah
[00:30:57] and apart from that
[00:31:00] passion
[00:31:02] very interesting
[00:31:03] so what I also
[00:31:04] want to really delve into is
[00:31:06] Kijab
[00:31:08] your father
[00:31:10] your uncle
[00:31:12] your own
[00:31:13] your wife
[00:31:16] when the whole family
[00:31:18] is driven
[00:31:20] with passion, with purpose
[00:31:22] to make a dream come true
[00:31:24] and each one is coming from a very different
[00:31:27] lineage of thoughts at least
[00:31:29] where do you
[00:31:30] really bridge the gaps and does it have any
[00:31:35] implication on your personal relationships
[00:31:39] see
[00:31:40] I'll be very honest
[00:31:42] and
[00:31:45] I would say that
[00:31:47] there are times
[00:31:48] so arguments are very good for your organization
[00:31:52] I feel if there's no arguments
[00:31:54] if you're a yes sir
[00:31:56] then it's not going
[00:31:58] at a good pace
[00:31:59] even with your own loved ones
[00:32:01] yeah absolutely absolutely
[00:32:02] and let me tell you one thing
[00:32:04] so
[00:32:06] once
[00:32:07] I'm inside the office
[00:32:08] or
[00:32:10] you know
[00:32:10] he is my chairman
[00:32:12] so
[00:32:12] I don't even address him
[00:32:15] but
[00:32:17] sometimes
[00:32:17] as my father also
[00:32:19] okay
[00:32:19] I call him sir
[00:32:22] a lot of times
[00:32:23] and
[00:32:24] so
[00:32:26] you know that that part is
[00:32:28] is over I think it's been more than 10 years
[00:32:31] I'm working
[00:32:32] so I think that
[00:32:33] you know
[00:32:35] when it comes to work and especially
[00:32:37] how to make it
[00:32:39] you know to the next level
[00:32:41] all these things
[00:32:42] your personal
[00:32:43] and all
[00:32:44] I think doesn't matter
[00:32:45] Eagles don't commit to
[00:32:47] always
[00:32:48] I think in any organization that comes in
[00:32:50] any
[00:32:51] as I told you see
[00:32:53] because you have to just take it all back home also right
[00:32:56] yeah it's all balanced also
[00:32:58] it's how you balance basically
[00:33:00] you learn from your mistakes
[00:33:02] you know I have certainly learned from my mistakes
[00:33:06] and
[00:33:08] sometimes what they say they don't mean
[00:33:10] okay
[00:33:11] and sometimes I need to
[00:33:13] you know switch on and switch off
[00:33:16] so wherever I have just
[00:33:17] you know whatever discussion I had
[00:33:19] I just
[00:33:20] put an end in the office
[00:33:23] and at home it's a different start
[00:33:25] yeah that's a great way to be so objective in life
[00:33:28] yeah so I think I have to act little
[00:33:33] on a mature side
[00:33:36] and with
[00:33:37] Bollywood I think
[00:33:38] today I understand but was it the same
[00:33:40] time
[00:33:41] it was not at all
[00:33:41] it was very difficult
[00:33:42] very difficult
[00:33:43] see there are two keep solving your pride
[00:33:46] yeah
[00:33:46] and
[00:33:48] the biggest challenges that
[00:33:53] I can say about
[00:33:55] and I know for the fact
[00:33:57] and I've seen
[00:33:58] spoken to a lot of people
[00:34:00] see
[00:34:02] when you are at part
[00:34:04] for so many years
[00:34:05] okay
[00:34:07] you don't welcome changes so
[00:34:09] very easily
[00:34:10] easily yeah
[00:34:11] it's with anybody
[00:34:12] because you have created everything
[00:34:14] yeah
[00:34:16] and it takes a lot of time to give him confidence
[00:34:21] wow tell me
[00:34:22] what has success costed you
[00:34:27] is there a real
[00:34:29] yeah my health
[00:34:31] I think one thing that I
[00:34:34] really
[00:34:35] you ask me now
[00:34:37] I was saying the regret
[00:34:38] health
[00:34:39] you know
[00:34:40] one thing I really want to
[00:34:42] that I really miss
[00:34:43] is playing sports
[00:34:46] going to the gym
[00:34:49] I have met a lot of
[00:34:51] my friends and my
[00:34:53] family
[00:34:53] and people I meet
[00:34:55] they can't do anything
[00:34:57] they can't do anything
[00:35:01] the problem is
[00:35:02] I'm selling a product
[00:35:03] I don't want to
[00:35:04] say something
[00:35:07] the one
[00:35:07] the platform that I'm selling
[00:35:10] they don't wait for you
[00:35:12] and there are multiple people in line
[00:35:14] they can take from
[00:35:16] nobody understands this
[00:35:18] I miss something the other person will take it
[00:35:22] and it can happen and we can also
[00:35:25] so you have to be on the toes every time
[00:35:28] you have to travel
[00:35:30] you know
[00:35:32] the kind of travel
[00:35:33] I was going
[00:35:35] in 1980
[00:35:37] in 20 you know
[00:35:38] yeah
[00:35:38] after after Covid
[00:35:41] again the kind of travel
[00:35:43] this year has been
[00:35:45] really exhausting
[00:35:48] the kind of
[00:35:49] travels that I had
[00:35:51] was really
[00:35:54] was a big pain
[00:35:55] you know
[00:35:56] in fact
[00:35:56] I just told you in the morning
[00:35:58] I just came at six in the morning
[00:35:59] and now in the morning
[00:36:01] I'm just doing it
[00:36:02] so I was awake for about 24 hours
[00:36:04] it's it's part of the life
[00:36:05] and that's what
[00:36:06] I feel that time will come
[00:36:09] when things will be
[00:36:10] little settled
[00:36:11] and then I can give more time to my health
[00:36:13] I really want to give that
[00:36:15] so success
[00:36:17] that's it for me
[00:36:18] the rest
[00:36:19] everything
[00:36:20] you know
[00:36:23] in terms of
[00:36:24] I don't have any cost of success
[00:36:27] I really enjoy my success
[00:36:29] and sometimes if I don't succeed also
[00:36:31] and a lot of things
[00:36:32] I think the more success I had
[00:36:34] the more
[00:36:35] failures I had in my life
[00:36:37] if you want to measure it
[00:36:39] then I have more failures than success
[00:36:42] and I really
[00:36:43] I've started enjoying my
[00:36:44] failures also I think
[00:36:45] wow
[00:36:46] I've really liked it that this has not worked
[00:36:50] now you know
[00:36:51] let's put this
[00:36:53] and then
[00:36:54] I think that
[00:36:55] this will also work
[00:36:56] when it doesn't work
[00:36:57] then
[00:36:58] you know
[00:36:59] then that question comes in your mind
[00:37:01] see
[00:37:02] you want to
[00:37:03] measure it
[00:37:08] and you were thinking that
[00:37:09] you will get everything
[00:37:10] you are above everyone
[00:37:11] now see what happened
[00:37:13] and that's a challenging moment
[00:37:15] and sometimes I really love
[00:37:17] that this has really happened
[00:37:18] because then you will not learn
[00:37:20] yeah and you'll not push
[00:37:21] and then you'll not push
[00:37:24] so yeah
[00:37:25] so
[00:37:26] I am a guy who takes it very very seriously
[00:37:29] yeah
[00:37:29] but if I have to take a competition
[00:37:32] I will just take it
[00:37:34] I will just take it
[00:37:36] when I have to do it
[00:37:38] Sirji you have given so much competition
[00:37:41] level
[00:37:42] that you have given me
[00:37:44] competition
[00:37:45] because there is no
[00:37:47] other
[00:37:48] brand
[00:37:49] a manufacturing company in India
[00:37:52] who can even come as an arch rival
[00:37:55] or a competitor
[00:37:56] so my question is
[00:37:59] you know I've had many
[00:38:00] I've really had the privilege of
[00:38:02] having a lot of founders
[00:38:03] a lot of
[00:38:05] successful CEOs
[00:38:07] and leaders and change makers
[00:38:09] but there is always this underlying
[00:38:13] fear that I sense
[00:38:17] is it so important
[00:38:20] success
[00:38:22] I am a fearless guy
[00:38:25] I am complete fearless
[00:38:27] to till today
[00:38:29] if I have to do something
[00:38:30] I will not
[00:38:32] whether whatever the consequences
[00:38:36] see if I made my mind
[00:38:38] at least my mind is that stable
[00:38:40] that I have to do something
[00:38:41] no no no no
[00:38:43] no no
[00:38:44] I think
[00:38:44] I told you
[00:38:46] as I told you
[00:38:47] I love failures
[00:38:48] until
[00:38:49] the life of someone who never
[00:38:51] proceed in his life
[00:38:52] he will never get successful
[00:38:54] so you have
[00:38:55] a very successful
[00:38:57] after that
[00:38:58] what is the
[00:39:00] thing
[00:39:00] so
[00:39:02] I think failures push you so much
[00:39:04] okay then you have to achieve
[00:39:06] one more step
[00:39:07] success makes you complacent
[00:39:10] it does
[00:39:11] it does
[00:39:12] and
[00:39:13] everybody needs success
[00:39:17] everybody needs a success
[00:39:19] but too many failures also put you
[00:39:22] really down
[00:39:24] but in terms of fear
[00:39:26] if you want to do something
[00:39:29] and somebody
[00:39:31] you know
[00:39:34] I have thought that this needs to be done
[00:39:36] or somebody has
[00:39:39] gone
[00:39:40] no challenge
[00:39:41] if you want to challenge in India
[00:39:43] it is a very good
[00:39:45] challenge and really love challenges
[00:39:47] but going below the bed
[00:39:48] yeah
[00:39:49] that's where I don't like it
[00:39:50] yeah
[00:39:51] very beautiful
[00:39:52] and a lot of that goes
[00:39:54] to your roaring success
[00:39:55] and what you have done
[00:39:58] and I'm sure
[00:39:59] you know it's
[00:40:00] serves
[00:40:01] vision as much
[00:40:02] that you have changed the India story
[00:40:05] you've changed the
[00:40:06] India manufacturing story
[00:40:08] so tell me
[00:40:09] tell me a little more
[00:40:10] that
[00:40:11] you know there is this class of entrepreneur
[00:40:13] who's just thinking
[00:40:14] he is a market size
[00:40:17] and
[00:40:17] I
[00:40:18] I have to capture
[00:40:19] and there comes
[00:40:21] the
[00:40:22] you know
[00:40:23] the
[00:40:24] roaring sons of Punjab
[00:40:26] who just say
[00:40:27] he is a market size
[00:40:28] he has to change
[00:40:30] so
[00:40:30] where did he come from
[00:40:31] vision
[00:40:32] and where he comes from
[00:40:33] all
[00:40:35] I don't know if I can say
[00:40:36] it's in a way also patriotic spirit
[00:40:38] that you want to give it back to your country
[00:40:40] absolutely
[00:40:42] I'll just
[00:40:44] come to your last part first
[00:40:46] patriotic
[00:40:47] make it in India
[00:40:48] no one can go
[00:40:49] for anybody
[00:40:51] and I think that's what had them
[00:40:53] on the back foot
[00:40:54] the Chinese giants
[00:40:57] that's what scared them
[00:40:59] if
[00:41:00] see
[00:41:02] without
[00:41:03] believing in yourself
[00:41:05] what this
[00:41:07] country is capable of
[00:41:09] you cannot go ahead
[00:41:11] first you have to have confidence in you
[00:41:13] in your country
[00:41:14] in your people
[00:41:15] then only you can turn this off
[00:41:18] you
[00:41:19] keep on criticising your country
[00:41:24] all the time
[00:41:25] keep on manufacturing
[00:41:27] country
[00:41:27] this
[00:41:29] this
[00:41:31] whatever challenges are there
[00:41:32] are there on ground
[00:41:33] it is not
[00:41:34] since today
[00:41:35] it's been
[00:41:36] for many years
[00:41:37] now
[00:41:38] if you want to change it
[00:41:39] change it
[00:41:40] okay
[00:41:41] or
[00:41:43] either it's very simple to trade it
[00:41:45] you're trading it
[00:41:46] okay
[00:41:47] we have gone the harder way
[00:41:49] doing
[00:41:50] product development
[00:41:51] and this is not assembling
[00:41:53] this is product development
[00:41:54] hard core product development
[00:41:56] we have done product development
[00:41:58] on each and every part
[00:42:00] whether it's televisions
[00:42:01] or washing machines
[00:42:03] and it's quite
[00:42:05] and we develop the product
[00:42:06] it's not that we just
[00:42:08] tie the screws
[00:42:09] and give to the market
[00:42:11] and so
[00:42:12] it's a very hard core process
[00:42:13] that we have gone through
[00:42:15] so you have to be very passionate
[00:42:17] and I'm very very passionate
[00:42:19] about my country
[00:42:20] my country comes first
[00:42:21] there is no doubt
[00:42:22] wherever I go
[00:42:23] okay
[00:42:24] it's the first thing
[00:42:27] that I really want to
[00:42:28] you know
[00:42:29] make my country proud
[00:42:30] that's the feeling all of us has
[00:42:32] and
[00:42:35] therefore we have succeeded
[00:42:36] so far
[00:42:37] yeah
[00:42:39] and then
[00:42:40] coming back
[00:42:41] on manufacturing
[00:42:43] see
[00:42:45] if you have to be successful
[00:42:47] in India
[00:42:48] in terms of
[00:42:49] in consumer
[00:42:50] durables
[00:42:51] and in technology
[00:42:53] somewhere or the other
[00:42:54] you have to do that actually
[00:42:57] either on the R&D side
[00:42:59] or on the product side
[00:43:00] okay
[00:43:01] if you're not doing that
[00:43:02] why would you say that
[00:43:03] because you are already giving margins
[00:43:07] you have
[00:43:08] someone
[00:43:09] from China
[00:43:10] you have a product
[00:43:11] brand
[00:43:11] some
[00:43:12] ODM
[00:43:13] you have to give it to him
[00:43:14] then you have to give
[00:43:16] an Indian manufacturer
[00:43:17] then you have to sell it to your brand
[00:43:19] so giving margins
[00:43:20] two sides
[00:43:21] and ultimately
[00:43:22] getting the same product
[00:43:23] same specs at a better price
[00:43:25] okay
[00:43:26] so consumer will go for a better
[00:43:27] price and
[00:43:28] if it's
[00:43:29] equally spec'd
[00:43:30] it's a price-sensitive market
[00:43:31] exactly
[00:43:32] exactly
[00:43:33] so then you have to
[00:43:35] spend on infrastructure
[00:43:36] people have forgotten
[00:43:38] that infrastructure
[00:43:40] plays a very vital role
[00:43:42] people when they supply chain
[00:43:43] they pay their
[00:43:44] khajkar
[00:43:45] warehousing
[00:43:47] you know
[00:43:48] best of people
[00:43:49] they have
[00:43:50] what about product
[00:43:51] and manufacturing
[00:43:54] they have forgotten that's why
[00:43:55] everybody is coming back to basics
[00:43:57] you are
[00:43:58] all the trade
[00:43:59] almost everybody
[00:44:00] so focused on manufacturing
[00:44:02] because that's the core
[00:44:04] okay
[00:44:05] I didn't establish that core
[00:44:07] but now I gave you a smartphone
[00:44:08] example
[00:44:09] the biggest
[00:44:10] raised the downfall
[00:44:11] was technology
[00:44:13] they were not focused on technology
[00:44:15] again
[00:44:16] same mindset
[00:44:17] this will not work
[00:44:19] yeah
[00:44:20] you know in five years
[00:44:21] the market share of smart tv is 95%
[00:44:25] who believe five years back
[00:44:27] you know people used to ask me
[00:44:29] I said yeah
[00:44:29] 7%
[00:44:30] 7%
[00:44:31] 7%
[00:44:31] smart tv
[00:44:32] it's not a joke
[00:44:32] vanilla tv
[00:44:34] today is 95%
[00:44:36] you have internet across India
[00:44:38] it's not a joke
[00:44:39] and we do
[00:44:40] a lot of brands
[00:44:41] one of the brands
[00:44:42] is blog on comes from Germany
[00:44:44] can you imagine
[00:44:45] German guys came in
[00:44:47] and said
[00:44:48] we have never seen this kind of
[00:44:51] internet connectivity
[00:44:52] anywhere
[00:44:53] yeah that's true
[00:44:54] and you know
[00:44:55] you know
[00:44:57] crazy
[00:44:58] and while on the call
[00:45:00] they said
[00:45:00] your call drops are much
[00:45:02] it's not there absolutely
[00:45:04] people cry about a lot of
[00:45:06] call drop
[00:45:08] I will tell them
[00:45:10] kindly visit Europe once
[00:45:11] and then you will see what is called drop
[00:45:15] they were amazed
[00:45:16] how we have grown in terms of
[00:45:18] in telecom
[00:45:19] so when this kind of revolution
[00:45:22] things are happening
[00:45:25] I feel that
[00:45:28] towards gadget and technology
[00:45:31] I think this country
[00:45:33] is moving at a very
[00:45:36] very good pace
[00:45:37] yeah
[00:45:38] and this is what we want
[00:45:40] and it's equal playing
[00:45:41] so very important thing
[00:45:43] that I'm touching
[00:45:44] the
[00:45:46] this thing is
[00:45:47] equal playing field
[00:45:50] the biggest challenge
[00:45:51] that a lot of manufacturers
[00:45:53] had to stop their operations in India
[00:45:56] was they didn't have equal playing field
[00:45:59] this was the biggest challenge
[00:46:01] the transformation from
[00:46:04] the Bhewala CRT TV
[00:46:06] yeah
[00:46:07] after that
[00:46:08] all the brands were
[00:46:09] made
[00:46:10] and we didn't get LCD
[00:46:13] because it was not a equal playing field
[00:46:16] yeah it was known like going
[00:46:17] one and then second step
[00:46:19] it was just
[00:46:20] disrupting completely
[00:46:22] so it was like completely
[00:46:23] big nurses either professional
[00:46:25] yeah
[00:46:27] in the beach
[00:46:28] and then
[00:46:30] kavi kwi taxi exemption
[00:46:32] kavi kuch
[00:46:33] kavi kuch
[00:46:34] you have
[00:46:36] that time you had 27-28 states
[00:46:39] every state had different tax
[00:46:41] yeah
[00:46:43] I'm so amused
[00:46:45] that people who
[00:46:47] is not into any sort of businesses
[00:46:50] commence upon GST
[00:46:52] yeah
[00:46:53] specially those political leaders
[00:46:55] and I'm completely against
[00:46:58] you know
[00:46:59] how much problem
[00:47:01] my
[00:47:01] our
[00:47:03] solar
[00:47:04] the branches thing
[00:47:05] everywhere there's a different
[00:47:06] way
[00:47:07] we have to do
[00:47:09] it was a
[00:47:10] most difficult thing
[00:47:12] being more important paperwork
[00:47:14] yeah
[00:47:15] and a small size or medium scale
[00:47:17] industry was a big challenge
[00:47:20] there was a very funny law
[00:47:23] if you don't have a registered office
[00:47:25] in one of the states
[00:47:27] then you used to build by
[00:47:31] seiform
[00:47:33] 2% I think seiform
[00:47:36] if you don't
[00:47:37] if you don't give that
[00:47:38] you will not get credit
[00:47:39] it was a big
[00:47:41] big operation
[00:47:42] disaster
[00:47:44] and then they are saying
[00:47:45] GST is not right
[00:47:46] some of the people are here
[00:47:48] you can't see us
[00:47:50] okay
[00:47:51] there's a shop
[00:47:53] who has not yet
[00:47:54] GST is not right
[00:47:56] that's why he's saying
[00:47:57] because he doesn't have
[00:47:58] a job
[00:48:00] okay
[00:48:00] they have gone
[00:48:01] once you see their
[00:48:03] association
[00:48:03] then you come
[00:48:04] and see who does GST
[00:48:07] people who pay their taxes
[00:48:10] they won't have a problem
[00:48:12] people doesn't wait for access
[00:48:14] and this is what
[00:48:16] unethical versus ethical
[00:48:18] that was I was trying to tell
[00:48:19] so we are getting the success of them
[00:48:24] and then
[00:48:25] you know
[00:48:26] I don't know
[00:48:27] somewhere or the other
[00:48:30] it's a shame
[00:48:31] that there's a lot of
[00:48:32] and I believe in it
[00:48:40] I've seen a lot of ways
[00:48:41] you have you honestly work
[00:48:43] okay
[00:48:44] you get success
[00:48:55] great so I think you've truly
[00:48:56] come unbounded on the show
[00:48:58] underneath although
[00:48:59] I have run out of these questions
[00:49:01] but my
[00:49:02] volley of questions
[00:49:03] which is my personal favorite
[00:49:05] the last
[00:49:07] you know
[00:49:08] chunk of the episode
[00:49:09] is called a rapid reflex now
[00:49:15] I have few rapid-fire questions
[00:49:17] that I'll throw for you
[00:49:18] and obviously you don't have any
[00:49:19] hamper to be one here
[00:49:21] and you have to give the answer
[00:49:23] in maybe a word
[00:49:24] or a sentence
[00:49:25] so are you ready for this
[00:49:26] a big singmava
[00:49:28] always ready
[00:49:29] all right
[00:49:30] ready
[00:49:32] life to you is
[00:49:33] complete this sentence in one word
[00:49:37] experience
[00:49:38] purpose to you is
[00:49:40] life
[00:49:41] your biggest joy
[00:49:45] any particular movie
[00:49:47] that is
[00:49:48] the else you can watch on repeat
[00:49:52] not a great movie fact
[00:49:54] but
[00:49:57] I think
[00:49:59] all right
[00:50:00] biggest event of life
[00:50:04] I think there are
[00:50:06] except BBD
[00:50:09] if I tell you this story
[00:50:11] this is
[00:50:12] really hilarious
[00:50:15] can't be your marriage either
[00:50:20] so
[00:50:21] one of my kids is born
[00:50:24] at
[00:50:25] launch of
[00:50:27] we remember that
[00:50:29] and the kid was born at the other brand launch
[00:50:37] so true launches of life
[00:50:40] so that yeah
[00:50:41] yeah so two launches in one go
[00:50:46] both the time
[00:50:47] we meet
[00:50:47] both the time
[00:50:49] excellent
[00:50:50] never have you ever
[00:50:51] complete this sentence for me
[00:50:52] I
[00:50:54] very difficult because I have done a lot of things
[00:50:57] okay
[00:50:59] but never ever have
[00:51:02] disrespected
[00:51:03] disrespected
[00:51:06] any of my senior
[00:51:10] not publicly
[00:51:12] or this thing
[00:51:13] but never ever
[00:51:14] I don't want to do that
[00:51:16] I think
[00:51:17] this is one thing
[00:51:18] that I don't want to do
[00:51:20] or disrespect my country
[00:51:22] for that right
[00:51:23] beautiful
[00:51:25] if not
[00:51:26] being this entrepreneur
[00:51:28] manufacturing business
[00:51:30] what would you be doing
[00:51:31] one word
[00:51:34] I don't want to say this
[00:51:38] but I'm sorry
[00:51:39] but maybe
[00:51:41] Uber driver
[00:51:45] I expected a DJ
[00:51:46] that underground music
[00:51:47] no
[00:51:48] underground music is there
[00:51:50] but I love driving
[00:51:51] and you know how far
[00:51:52] now I was for driving
[00:51:54] so when I was a kid
[00:51:57] everybody
[00:51:57] he said
[00:51:57] if he doesn't do anything
[00:51:58] then the child will be a driver
[00:52:01] as a
[00:52:03] driver
[00:52:06] drive all the big cars
[00:52:07] with all suited booted
[00:52:09] that's why I'm
[00:52:10] coming to the car
[00:52:11] yeah
[00:52:12] yeah
[00:52:12] yeah
[00:52:13] so yeah
[00:52:14] other than that
[00:52:15] if
[00:52:15] this is not
[00:52:16] then probably
[00:52:19] career
[00:52:19] maybe
[00:52:21] advertisement
[00:52:22] marketing
[00:52:24] or
[00:52:25] some
[00:52:25] or maybe
[00:52:26] you know
[00:52:29] giving some advice to some political leaders
[00:52:33] Pallavi is
[00:52:34] complete the sentence
[00:52:37] superhuman
[00:52:38] all right
[00:52:39] one thing that you never forget
[00:52:41] to do first thing in the morning
[00:52:43] or that is your ritual or routine
[00:52:47] first thing in the morning
[00:52:49] taking case of
[00:52:51] everybody
[00:52:52] in
[00:52:54] troubling everyone
[00:52:56] meaning
[00:52:56] meaning
[00:52:58] once I get up
[00:52:59] so I
[00:53:00] annoy everyone
[00:53:02] okay
[00:53:02] so that's my part time thing
[00:53:04] okay
[00:53:05] did you begin by the clock
[00:53:07] yeah
[00:53:07] I begin by the clock
[00:53:08] so my kids annoy me
[00:53:09] while getting up
[00:53:10] then I
[00:53:10] transfer
[00:53:11] once they are off to school
[00:53:13] then
[00:53:14] that's for the number
[00:53:15] right
[00:53:16] sub
[00:53:17] after annoying everyone
[00:53:19] then I settle
[00:53:19] then you are your first couple
[00:53:21] yeah
[00:53:21] cup of tea
[00:53:22] newspaper
[00:53:25] but yeah
[00:53:26] first thing
[00:53:26] and last thing in the day
[00:53:29] last thing is podcasts
[00:53:31] wow
[00:53:31] and which is your favorite podcast these days
[00:53:34] I'm bound with
[00:53:37] no seriously
[00:53:38] what all kind of genres of podcasts
[00:53:40] everything
[00:53:40] artist
[00:53:41] sports
[00:53:43] key sports
[00:53:44] personalities
[00:53:45] politicians
[00:53:46] you know
[00:53:49] listening to them
[00:53:50] and especially their experiences
[00:53:52] learn a lot of things from them
[00:53:55] but this is
[00:53:56] and then watching sports
[00:53:58] excellent
[00:53:59] and one
[00:54:00] of your favorite
[00:54:02] travel destination
[00:54:03] because I know you're quite a traveler
[00:54:05] there are many
[00:54:06] I think there are many now
[00:54:08] one of the best
[00:54:10] if you ask me
[00:54:11] then
[00:54:13] I think
[00:54:13] Jamaica is one of the best
[00:54:15] I've really liked
[00:54:17] I love doing snorkeling
[00:54:19] that's my hobby
[00:54:20] so anywhere there is water
[00:54:23] and apart from that
[00:54:26] in cities
[00:54:27] I think
[00:54:28] personal favorite
[00:54:30] since
[00:54:31] my childhood was
[00:54:32] spent all my summers
[00:54:34] has been
[00:54:35] London
[00:54:38] really like
[00:54:38] and
[00:54:39] as a person
[00:54:40] I love music
[00:54:42] and you know
[00:54:43] I'm a crazy
[00:54:44] EDM fan
[00:54:45] so yeah
[00:54:46] so that
[00:54:47] I still
[00:54:48] you know
[00:54:49] I follow that
[00:54:50] and
[00:54:51] for that I think
[00:54:53] one of the destinations
[00:54:54] that I regularly
[00:54:56] or once a year
[00:54:57] Vegas
[00:54:58] Vegas
[00:54:59] yeah we know about that
[00:55:00] and
[00:55:01] tell me food to US
[00:55:03] just complete this
[00:55:04] I think food is everything to me
[00:55:06] and you can see
[00:55:10] no food, no life
[00:55:11] no life
[00:55:12] one person who's been your idol
[00:55:14] on role model in life
[00:55:16] I think my father
[00:55:16] yeah
[00:55:17] my father then
[00:55:18] I think now
[00:55:19] my father
[00:55:21] then
[00:55:22] I would say
[00:55:24] Pallavi also is
[00:55:26] has done a lot of things
[00:55:27] there in my team
[00:55:28] I think
[00:55:29] because they have been very supportive
[00:55:31] so
[00:55:32] two or three but
[00:55:33] idol yes
[00:55:35] as my father
[00:55:36] who has been
[00:55:37] my guiding force
[00:55:38] absolutely
[00:55:40] and the last
[00:55:41] live event that you have attended
[00:55:45] live event
[00:55:46] we know that you love sports event
[00:55:48] music event so
[00:55:49] which is the last
[00:55:51] which is my last event
[00:55:53] live event
[00:55:55] I
[00:55:56] I'm sorry
[00:55:56] I'm just getting
[00:55:57] World Cup
[00:55:58] no
[00:55:59] World Cup
[00:55:59] I didn't go
[00:56:00] but
[00:56:00] actually
[00:56:02] what
[00:56:02] what is the last
[00:56:03] okay your most
[00:56:04] memorable event
[00:56:05] let's go up and tell
[00:56:06] you're the launches
[00:56:07] but
[00:56:07] you have the World Cup
[00:56:09] the football World Cup
[00:56:10] the football World Cup
[00:56:11] yeah absolutely
[00:56:12] you know all the World Cup
[00:56:13] whether it was in Brazil
[00:56:15] South Africa
[00:56:16] Russia
[00:56:17] I'm a super
[00:56:20] soccer fan
[00:56:21] my teams are not winning
[00:56:23] so
[00:56:24] I'm just
[00:56:26] little
[00:56:26] disheartened nowadays
[00:56:28] small
[00:56:28] small teams are coming
[00:56:35] so now we
[00:56:36] know truly
[00:56:37] what is his joy
[00:56:38] and what is his purpose
[00:56:39] and you truly
[00:56:40] truly come
[00:56:41] unbound on this show
[00:56:42] there was so much fun
[00:56:44] so in such an insightful
[00:56:46] discussion
[00:56:47] and when
[00:56:47] Abhmeet is around
[00:56:48] so you're possibly
[00:56:49] not a key
[00:56:50] you have a laughter
[00:56:50] no
[00:56:51] also thank you so much
[00:56:52] for being this
[00:56:53] special superhuman
[00:56:54] that you are
[00:56:55] and so
[00:56:56] unassumingly
[00:56:57] playing your role
[00:56:57] Abhmeet we wish you
[00:56:59] lot more
[00:57:00] big billion
[00:57:01] trillion days ahead
[00:57:02] to your unbounded success
[00:57:04] and
[00:57:05] beautiful journey ahead
[00:57:06] thank you for being
[00:57:07] so much
[00:57:08] Amta was always nice talking to you
[00:57:11] and there was great
[00:57:13] that I have
[00:57:15] portrayed this side of me
[00:57:17] and thank you for such beautiful questions
[00:57:23] Thank you so much
[00:57:24] for listening to today's episode
[00:57:26] I would love to know from you
[00:57:28] what idea or insight
[00:57:30] you unboxed
[00:57:31] from today's conversation
[00:57:32] just drop me a message
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