Our Existence: From origin to the future - Devesh Khanna

[00:00:00] Hello there! Have you ever wondered how big the earth is?

[00:00:12] Well it appears huge, but we know it's just a tiny dot of the universe. Come to think

[00:00:20] of it, how can we be only living creatures in this gigantic space, especially when there

[00:00:27] are countless possibilities all around us? Friends, since ancient times man has been

[00:00:34] continuously exploring space with all the available technologies. There are mythological as well

[00:00:41] as modern shreds of evidence about how we have been contacted by life outside earth. Recently,

[00:00:50] a bloated alien creature that was ashore in Australia was possibly identified as an alien

[00:00:58] or an extinct species. People from across the globe have witnessed flying saucers in the

[00:01:04] sky vanishing all of a sudden. Some of people have seen them and some of them claim to have

[00:01:13] met aliens. Of course we have questions. Of course we want to know, we want to explore

[00:01:21] everything that is out there. And the fact is, there are only a handful of people who

[00:01:27] are willing to take efforts and discuss all this. But today, my dear friends we are lucky enough

[00:01:34] to meet this young and dynamic science enthusiast who is trying to get all these answers on his own.

[00:01:41] He is certainly the rarest of rare young Indian explorers who is willing to contribute

[00:01:48] efforts to this field of UFOlogy and develop this as a branch of science. Friends please

[00:01:56] welcome Mr. Devesh Khanna to our show the Punekar podcast Puneasa Appla podcast. I am Gauri

[00:02:04] Kuber and today we will learn some interesting facts about our own existence and know more

[00:02:11] about what's going on our own planet and on other planets. Devesh is currently pursuing second

[00:02:18] year BTEC, Measure in Electrical Engineering and Minor in Computer Science Engineering. From

[00:02:24] the prestigious MIT World Peace University and is already an author of a book named Our Existence

[00:02:32] From the Origin to the Future. Welcome Devesh to the Punekar podcast. Thank you so much for inviting

[00:02:40] me today and I am really honored to be a part of Punekar podcast. Thank you very much. Wow great

[00:02:46] let's now start with the questions. So Devesh there is so much we want to learn from you,

[00:02:53] we want to understand about your book first. What is it about and what is this perception

[00:03:00] B that we read in your book and how do you thought of this book like at this young age?

[00:03:09] What struck to your mind? So talking about my series Our Existence From Origin to the

[00:03:16] Future. It is available on Amazon Kindle and the Kindle users can read the books for free.

[00:03:23] The four words are given by great accomplished people in the fields of science and technology.

[00:03:29] Padmashree Dr. Prahladaram Arao, Dr. David Colemilton, Dr. Hemendra Arya and Dr. Satyam

[00:03:35] Pridarsh. Wow this series and the science inside it perception B is highly regarded by them.

[00:03:42] Currently there are two volumes of the series and the third installment will be released soon.

[00:03:48] This series involves my own science that I have created different kind of physics, chemistry,

[00:03:54] mathematics and theories and concepts on space time, time traveled up matter, black holes and

[00:04:01] white holes, holographic and real universes and aliens and impact on a revolution by them

[00:04:10] and also a different kind of evolution theory etc. It includes UFOlogy, perception B,

[00:04:18] mythology, spirituality and every sort of scientific approach that could lead us to

[00:04:24] you know progress as a civilization as a whole and understand the truth about our existence,

[00:04:30] universe's existence and extraterrestrial influence over us. So basically perception B is the

[00:04:37] new thing here and UFOlogy too as most of the people are not aware of UFOlogy as a field and

[00:04:45] also they are not aware of aliens and UFOs etc. So perception B is the science that I have created

[00:04:52] and it basically acts as a catalyst you know it works with general science and combines its

[00:04:59] own aspects and gives rise to a different perception and which we can refer to as theory

[00:05:05] of everything. That's really exciting. Yeah so I started this series basically as just a hobby of

[00:05:13] writing my diary and I come I thought of many new theories and concepts regarding how I can

[00:05:21] change the actual perception of science and technology and introduce my own because

[00:05:28] I had that desire since childhood that I should have a mark on the world when I leave the world.

[00:05:36] So when I was I guess in 8th standard one day I was just sitting on the window pane and listening

[00:05:44] to music and reading some book for some test I don't know but it was quite a time up there

[00:05:51] so I just thought let's just come down and sit somewhere else so as I was closing the window

[00:05:57] so I saw two UFOs in the sky so that was the day that changed my whole life.

[00:06:07] Before that I was just focused on life and after 11-12th I'll try to get into IITs or maybe NITs

[00:06:18] and join very very prestigious institutes in the country but when I saw those two UFOs they

[00:06:25] were there for about two three seconds and then they vanished in zigzag pattern so that day I was

[00:06:32] very curious because I never heard about aliens or UFOs or anything like extraterrestrials beings

[00:06:38] and all. So that day my whole perception of life was changed and it propelled me towards you

[00:06:45] know pursuing ufology and perception b and doing thought experiments on understanding our

[00:06:53] existence. So I was very restless but I thought maybe it's an optical illusion that I'm having

[00:07:00] and it will pass. Okay so after two or three days the restlessness was still there because

[00:07:07] I was getting an intuition that maybe this is something very unreal and this could be

[00:07:14] something a start of something big. So I got into the research and served a lot of things

[00:07:21] I saw a lot of things on the internet and I didn't know how to describe this thing

[00:07:29] and what to search on internet. Yeah exactly. So whatever I saw I typed in disc shaped objects

[00:07:37] round objects flying in the sky. Yeah zigzag flashing yeah. So that's how I got to know

[00:07:42] that these things are known as unidentified flying objects or UFOs. So at that time I thought

[00:07:49] maybe it's military drill. So I thought I thought they are test flying these things and all.

[00:08:07] So I was not that fascinated by that but I had this thought in mind the way I was looking at

[00:08:15] that thing it is also looking at me the same way. So that was very scary and it was kind of

[00:08:24] telepathic experience where I was very very fascinated to look at it and I thought maybe

[00:08:31] they are also looking at me. So I didn't know who was inside that or what was there but I

[00:08:36] was very much so you had this feeling and I had this intuition that something is inside it.

[00:08:42] I don't know whether it is a human species or something but it is keeping me under surveillance

[00:08:47] because I was very much I had that thing since childhood.

[00:08:55] So

[00:09:11] I always had this thought.

[00:09:12] Yeah

[00:09:16] because

[00:09:23] So

[00:09:28] so that was the thought that I was having since childhood.

[00:09:35] Let's try to meet.

[00:09:36] Yeah and that is actually a very crazy thought because

[00:09:43] and I never thought about aliens or anything because

[00:09:49] I never had exposure. Generally, we see the concept of aliens more in Hollywood because

[00:10:03] I never had anything in mind that there is an alien existence around us. So as and when

[00:10:10] I surfed the Google and found out about new things I came across this project that was

[00:10:17] back in 1950s started by US Air Force because 1947 May there was this

[00:10:25] UFO crash in New Mexico in United States. So Roswell was the place and

[00:10:32] they found out two aliens from the UFO, crashed UFO. And it is now all public

[00:10:41] you can it is available in any public domain you can just surf Google and you'll find the

[00:10:45] information. I'm sure many of our listeners would really do that after listening to this interview

[00:10:51] and it's amazing guys because now we are interviewing a person who has seen UFOs actually.

[00:11:00] So that's really exciting and then how did you start thinking of you know writing a book

[00:11:08] and put it all into words. So as I said I've surfed many things on the internet that day

[00:11:15] and I found out about many new things because

[00:11:29] they know how to cut down the panic situation around the world because

[00:11:38] the panic won't help. Yeah chaos is there only. So I found out there was this project that I'm

[00:11:45] talking about project Blue Book. So this was started by US government to investigate UFO cases all

[00:11:52] around United States because until they found out about UFO crash and after that until they found

[00:11:58] out more than 1000 cases started coming because people were observing flying saucers around them

[00:12:04] above their homes and some people had their experience of being abducted in their sleep

[00:12:14] and something huge was going on and it was beyond our capability of understanding the things.

[00:12:22] So this government was very firm about

[00:12:25] that this is beyond our capability and we have to understand it. But the problem that

[00:12:33] they did understand but they didn't enlighten others because

[00:12:40] even if they had their information

[00:12:45] but what is the truth about it?

[00:12:52] If the world reacted to it then if the people are not prepared to react then obviously there'll

[00:13:00] be panic there'll be chaos and that is the key factor.

[00:13:10] Exactly. And it was a tiny virus doing all this.

[00:13:15] So I thought let's whatever I have gathered the information and

[00:13:25] so I started enlightening them first. Let's see how they are reacting to it because I know

[00:13:30] it is true because I've seen it myself but I don't have the proof of it because

[00:13:37] yeah

[00:13:38] you've seen the aliens so they want the photo and I was very fascinated to just look at it.

[00:13:48] And obviously for feelings like you said you had this feeling that somebody was watching

[00:13:55] it. I thought if that thing is watching me if I make any move what will be the consequences

[00:14:01] so that was the fear inside me. Yeah and for fear and feelings you don't have any proofs.

[00:14:07] That's how this thing started. Let's start creating my own thought experiments because if people

[00:14:13] are seeing A plus B equal to C so they are just looking at that picture. They are not looking

[00:14:19] at A where did it come from? Where did it come from? Why are we removing C? What is the purpose

[00:14:23] of this whole thing? Because I realized it instantly when I looked at the UFOs that

[00:14:28] if they are here then what is the guarantee that till date we have progressed in science

[00:14:35] technology? Is it the desired progress or are we doing all that on a different track and

[00:14:41] actual track I'm missing? Yeah because if other species exist and they have found us that means

[00:14:48] their science is more powerful. So I started writing my own theories and concepts while mixing

[00:14:54] mythology, ufology and spirituality because I also heard that when people meditate and

[00:15:01] go into spiritual self so they connect to higher beings. Who are the higher beings?

[00:15:07] We put them in God's respect every time. But what if the person who is telling you

[00:15:15] is not understanding that he told me that my connection with a higher being. So you

[00:15:20] feel that he is God because he is patronized that he is God and he lives in a different reality

[00:15:28] It's an easy way out that it was born. People are naive and they want to be naive about things

[00:15:34] they are not accepting it because they're afraid of the consequences of the future.

[00:15:40] And that's true just as you said

[00:15:48] That is a very big challenge because I don't know about other nations but

[00:15:53] I have seen the Indian society since the last 20 years. I am a 20 year old man so

[00:15:58] I've seen enough to conclude that this society needs a lot of time to adopt this situation.

[00:16:07] We have tremendous amount of superstitious beliefs. Every alien that will arrive here

[00:16:13] will be considered as Shankar, Ganpati, Vishnu and Avatar. So even if we take their

[00:16:22] spiritual thing and go ahead with their Shraddha, so we will ultimately reach to that point that these

[00:16:27] are all aliens but they will not give the term aliens to them. They will give the term God

[00:16:33] always. So I have never had a problem with it because if you believe that God is for you

[00:16:40] then you have different pictures of him. He is a supernatural being.

[00:16:44] So that's how I started writing the theories and concepts but I thought

[00:16:51] so

[00:17:03] But then I showed these theories to my parents because I generally

[00:17:10] and they are far away from my place. So whom to tell these things

[00:17:23] The vision behind it was to enlighten people

[00:17:26] Okay

[00:17:44] So I thought let's not enlighten right now. It was two years ago this thing.

[00:17:51] So I thought let's wait. Let's make it into a big thing like

[00:18:00] and I never thought that after two years I'll do these things. I was like let's wait five

[00:18:04] years seven years till the other governments don't question this thing.

[00:18:08] Debate not to do it because if there is a hot topic on Google then people will believe in it.

[00:18:15] So there was this UFO sighting at Ohio airport in 2006.

[00:18:27] But it is claimed to be

[00:18:34] So whenever any person who is an amateur in this field,

[00:18:37] your philogy who is new to this field, he'll just take it as it is a conspiracy and it will be like

[00:18:43] the case with 98 out of 100 people. Even if 99 people agree to it and there is one person who is

[00:18:51] saying no then it is like the veto power.

[00:18:57] We are not having external knowledge but only the knowledge that is

[00:19:01] being provided in a certain way.

[00:19:08] You never heard about aliens or UFOs in your books?

[00:19:10] There's nothing in our textbooks.

[00:19:22] So that is a great thing that other universities or schools are doing as compared to majority ones.

[00:19:31] The purpose is to just gain knowledge about their own history.

[00:19:46] We are still extracting only moral and cultural values from that from our methodology.

[00:19:54] We are not taking a technological angle towards it.

[00:20:01] We are not trying to understand what really happened.

[00:20:09] Now, how did Viman come into existence?

[00:20:12] How did it happen?

[00:20:14] So how did it happen?

[00:20:15] A human being we can say because we were seeing him as a human being in Ramayana and Mahabharata.

[00:20:24] So you have this option now either it was a technologically advanced human species

[00:20:35] or technologically advanced alien species and they were here to guide us.

[00:20:48] Because you are embracing it.

[00:20:50] So why is there no advanced species now?

[00:20:58] Yes.

[00:20:58] What happened in 10,000 years?

[00:21:00] What exactly?

[00:21:05] Yeah, I know.

[00:21:06] Technology has ended.

[00:21:07] I know, I know.

[00:21:12] The second factor is that technology was not for us.

[00:21:16] The only thing that can be concluded here is that they were all aliens.

[00:21:28] He was the messenger of humans.

[00:21:31] He was the bridge between aliens and humans because

[00:21:33] he wrote all this for us.

[00:21:36] For the coming generations.

[00:21:38] That 10,000 years ago, there were aliens here.

[00:21:41] He made us exist here.

[00:21:43] Colonization here.

[00:21:45] And they guided us towards better progress.

[00:21:47] This is an entirely new angle towards mythology.

[00:21:51] Yes.

[00:21:52] Whatever you are seeing in mythology, people of my generation take it as a story

[00:21:56] because our generation, the generation of millennials we can say,

[00:22:00] in the year 2000, they are very much into this.

[00:22:03] Yes, these are epics and these are myths.

[00:22:17] We even just as we talked about previously,

[00:22:22] there were these brilliant minds, Ramanujan and even Nikola Tesla.

[00:22:26] We believe that these guys were receiving some knowledge from some other species

[00:22:32] or we don't know from where, from universe.

[00:22:35] Even it is said, it is known that when Nikola Tesla used to give his ideas on paper

[00:22:42] or draw his ideas on paper, he used to do it with so many fine details

[00:22:47] that it's not possible for a single human mind to think of all this in a very short period of time.

[00:22:54] The thing is that when they were having these thought experiments,

[00:22:58] you can consider Einstein for example.

[00:23:00] Yeah.

[00:23:00] The thought experiments that he conducted, people in the world who are having average brain,

[00:23:09] and only one person in the whole century is taking science towards a new level.

[00:23:14] So here arises the big question that if majority of the human beings are not able to do one thing

[00:23:21] and only one out of hundred is able to do a thing, then how is this an evolutionary thing in our

[00:23:28] civilization?

[00:23:34] Yeah.

[00:23:35] Yeah.

[00:23:36] If it is a natural thing, if evolution is a natural thing, it should happen to all.

[00:23:39] It should happen to all.

[00:23:40] So as the same aliens that we are evolving to this day,

[00:23:44] Darwin's opinion, which he saw, he wrote,

[00:23:47] which is very commendable because if he hadn't done it, we wouldn't know who we are today.

[00:23:52] We don't know our origins.

[00:23:54] We are believed to be coming from recess apes and all.

[00:23:57] Yeah.

[00:23:58] But what Darwin saw, what are the common things in recess and what are the common things in us.

[00:24:03] If majority of the common things are, that means after its evolution, our part comes.

[00:24:07] Yeah.

[00:24:08] But he didn't understand why evolution naturally occurs.

[00:24:14] How is it happening?

[00:24:15] He just gave hypothesis and theory of evolution.

[00:24:18] That something is in the top of our eyes.

[00:24:20] Yes.

[00:24:20] This is so different, this is so different classification.

[00:24:23] Yeah.

[00:24:23] Yeah.

[00:24:24] Darwin is still challenged by people on his theory of evolution.

[00:24:28] Yes, there are many people.

[00:24:29] It should be like this.

[00:24:30] Yeah.

[00:24:31] But I believe we should not challenge his theories because you are doing research on

[00:24:35] that basis.

[00:24:36] Yeah.

[00:24:37] If he hadn't given it, what would you have done?

[00:24:39] You didn't know about things in 300 years, even in the next 3000 years.

[00:24:44] No.

[00:24:44] But if a person has done something, we should always take it as a boon and a blessing.

[00:24:50] He did what was good so that we can improve it.

[00:24:54] Yeah.

[00:24:55] And give a new thing to the next generation.

[00:24:58] So that's how I created an evolution theory of my own.

[00:25:01] Oh.

[00:25:02] Where I have correlated here for logic and I have put perception B into it.

[00:25:06] Okay.

[00:25:07] Perception B is like a new kind of science that I've created which involves the question why?

[00:25:12] Okay.

[00:25:13] Generally, whatever things we are studying in our general sciences, physics, chemistry,

[00:25:17] maths, biology, etc.

[00:25:19] If we see something new in everything, we first ask what it is.

[00:25:24] And then we directly ask how it works.

[00:25:27] We have never seen or thought about why this thing exists.

[00:25:32] Why?

[00:25:32] If there is something there, as an expert of perception B and uphology, I will just

[00:25:38] ask directly why it is here.

[00:25:39] Why is it not there or there?

[00:25:42] So that's how the perception is different.

[00:25:44] That the rat race is going on, that whoever is doing one or two, the third one will do the same.

[00:25:50] The third one is not thinking whether they are doing it right or wrong.

[00:25:53] And the right one is not the point.

[00:25:55] It is just going like a process.

[00:25:58] Yeah.

[00:25:58] After this, after this, after this.

[00:25:59] The main concern here is the path that you're taking.

[00:26:03] You have seen Darwin's evolution theory.

[00:26:05] If you're an expert in biology, you are teaching the children about the theories of Darwin.

[00:26:12] But you never gave it an introspection that what if this is not the correct thing that I'm learning.

[00:26:18] What if there's something else which is hidden?

[00:26:21] Nobody thinks like this.

[00:26:23] Just as we have said, we are all biological machines.

[00:26:26] We have passed on the input we have taken.

[00:26:29] Nobody is thinking or kind of experimenting on it.

[00:26:33] If it's wrong, how can we do it right?

[00:26:36] If we are not able to do it right, then that means we are not capable enough either.

[00:26:42] Or we have to choose another perception, another path.

[00:26:56] So now, Davis, we had this discussion about Ramanujan and Tesla and there are some beings that were

[00:27:04] transcending knowledge.

[00:27:06] So why do you think like very, very few visionary genius like you are born every century and hardly two or three?

[00:27:16] Why is this so?

[00:27:18] Why is not everybody a genius?

[00:27:20] So maybe we had some discussion about this already, but I would like to understand.

[00:27:26] So what exactly do you think is the reason?

[00:27:29] Are aliens driving our intelligence?

[00:27:33] Yes. So just as Einstein, we can take one example because Einstein's biography,

[00:27:38] or you have seen a documentary on him about his life.

[00:27:42] There is this show called Genius on National Geographic.

[00:27:45] So I once saw this whole documentary of Einstein

[00:27:50] how he became from a nobody to the greatest genius on this planet.

[00:27:55] The thing is that his personal life was not told.

[00:27:59] And I don't know about Indian culture, but the western culture and European culture has adopted

[00:28:05] to scientific knowledge and community very much and very easily.

[00:28:09] The thing is that Einstein knows everything because others know.

[00:28:15] Exactly.

[00:28:16] He didn't know Einstein because he was a great genius.

[00:28:22] But nobody thought about it.

[00:28:23] Most of us, yeah.

[00:28:25] Here, Einstein's existence is because of the western culture.

[00:28:29] People who have been listening to rumors, news, TV, television shows,

[00:28:33] people from there got to know that Einstein was also there.

[00:28:36] And in the last 30-40 years, they got to know that he has become a trend.

[00:28:42] He has become an icon.

[00:28:42] He has become an icon in this country.

[00:28:44] Where there is physics, Einstein comes to mind.

[00:28:48] But people are not thinking that if Einstein was there,

[00:28:51] then why hasn't someone else been like him yet?

[00:28:54] So they bring up the same thing that he was a genius.

[00:28:59] Now my question comes here that if he was a genius, what would you be?

[00:29:03] Why do you consider yourself small?

[00:29:05] So if people say that everyone's mind is different.

[00:29:08] But according to me, everyone's mind is the same.

[00:29:10] It's just you are having this fear of future consequences.

[00:29:15] If I become a genius, then what will happen to my life?

[00:29:17] People get scared.

[00:29:20] They don't strive enough to become a genius.

[00:29:23] So people say that dedication and focus is very important for them.

[00:29:26] Someone says that God is a gift.

[00:29:28] What is this God gift that we are talking about?

[00:29:33] So that is the main question, why only few selective people are there in every century

[00:29:38] like geniuses?

[00:29:39] And why not the whole species?

[00:29:42] So here arises this thought experiment which can be concluded in a way that

[00:29:47] if there is a God gift in certain person,

[00:29:53] the answer is that there are chosen genetic lineages in every century.

[00:29:59] Which is potential on this potential,

[00:30:02] that if we enhance them, they can become the best humans.

[00:30:07] People who have been concept for years,

[00:30:10] we have not used 100% of our brain.

[00:30:14] And maybe we will never be able to do that.

[00:30:16] People say that.

[00:30:18] The thing is that you should always have a visionary approach to everything.

[00:30:23] You should have a thinking approach.

[00:30:24] If you are not thinking,

[00:30:26] if you are getting into money, materialistic world,

[00:30:28] or other sorts of abstracts,

[00:30:31] then you are losing the point where you are calling yourself a human being.

[00:30:36] You are just acting like a machine who is trying to evolve.

[00:30:41] We are losing our human being and are going towards the brain.

[00:30:46] We are focusing on wrong things rather than the big picture.

[00:30:50] We have to start comparing everything to the cosmic scale.

[00:30:52] Because if we don't compare everything to the cosmic scale,

[00:30:56] then every small thing will look bigger.

[00:30:59] And it's like all that glitters is gold.

[00:31:02] And this is in the mind of every human being.

[00:31:04] It was in my mind too, but now I have risen above that.

[00:31:07] Because for me, as I said,

[00:31:10] I wanted to get into IIT or any prestigious institute.

[00:31:12] I was working very hard for it.

[00:31:14] I even started taking coaching since standard 8.

[00:31:18] Because I had this desire that my father is an alumni of IIT Bombay.

[00:31:22] So I also want to be.

[00:31:24] Yeah, that was a pressure on a legacy.

[00:31:27] That I have to take that mantle.

[00:31:29] But the day I saw something unusual,

[00:31:33] which got my mind so scrambled inside,

[00:31:37] even if it is human made,

[00:31:40] I want to get to know what it is, how it works.

[00:31:44] Till then I never had this question why it is there.

[00:31:47] I was also following the same perception like everyone else.

[00:31:50] Even if people call me a genius right now,

[00:31:53] the thing is that every genius is a normal human being.

[00:31:57] The day he sees something new and starts thinking about it,

[00:32:01] that day he becomes a genius.

[00:32:04] Why are there no more geniuses after 2 or 3 in every century?

[00:32:11] So why is each genius born in every 100 years?

[00:32:14] Why are the rest of the people not being born?

[00:32:16] Because I feel like I have to take everyone together forward.

[00:32:20] So I want people to become geniuses even if I am a genius.

[00:32:24] Otherwise I feel that it is a moral duty

[00:32:28] that I am not contributing to the society.

[00:32:31] If I have some knowledge and I am not sharing,

[00:32:35] then that means being human is a pressure on me.

[00:32:39] Because in my mind,

[00:32:42] if the day the aliens come here,

[00:32:45] we are fighting among ourselves that we don't need to kill them.

[00:32:50] They will be just watching there from the skies

[00:32:52] and they will be like, when will we die?

[00:32:55] So I feel that kind of sense of insulting as a human being.

[00:33:01] We are not even standing a chance against the

[00:33:05] I'll say aliens who are invading here or who are trying to grab the hold of us.

[00:33:09] That's a kind of insecurity that is driving your effort.

[00:33:13] So I have to protect this whole planet and the people on it

[00:33:17] coming threats from outside.

[00:33:19] I just was trying to come to that point only.

[00:33:24] What is this aggressive planetarism?

[00:33:27] And what's your role in it?

[00:33:29] So aggressive planetarism is the term that I have coined.

[00:33:32] And it's like,

[00:33:35] like aggressive nationalism,

[00:33:37] aggressive militarism,

[00:33:38] where people are so patriotic about the nations that they are willing to kill another person for it.

[00:33:43] Or if someone is very patriotic about their nation,

[00:33:47] then he spreads it on others and influence them.

[00:33:52] That my country is the best, your country is the least,

[00:33:55] this and that.

[00:33:56] You get to see that the most in the whole world.

[00:34:00] And if you consider yourself as the greatest civilization in the world,

[00:34:04] which is Hindu civilization is one of the greatest in the world,

[00:34:07] then as being the superpower I'll say.

[00:34:10] So India never fights with anyone.

[00:34:11] India never faces a war with anyone.

[00:34:13] So that is the greatest thing that we have.

[00:34:15] We have that advantage and that will take us to being the superpower.

[00:34:19] Yeah.

[00:34:19] So superpower doesn't mean that your pockets are full of atom bombs,

[00:34:23] how many missiles, how many of these.

[00:34:25] Exactly.

[00:34:25] Superpower means that you are making other nations capable of doing it.

[00:34:31] So what we are seeing today is agressive nationalism, militarism and all.

[00:34:35] Aggressive religion is happy.

[00:34:36] Yeah.

[00:34:37] God came and gave you knowledge.

[00:34:39] You changed it in the cult.

[00:34:41] You pulled the borders in the whole globe.

[00:34:43] Europe-U.S. is different,

[00:34:45] UK is different, India's border is different.

[00:34:47] First, the border was not there.

[00:34:48] First, everything was supercontinent.

[00:34:49] A thousand years ago.

[00:34:51] That was different from the crystallization of everything.

[00:34:55] But the borders were not there yet.

[00:34:57] That was a map given by the modern era.

[00:35:01] So this is how aggressive nationalism and religionism play a role.

[00:35:05] What is going on in the factory of God is that they are making new variants.

[00:35:10] That someone is thinking like this, someone is thinking like this.

[00:35:13] Progress will be there only when everyone is on one page.

[00:35:16] Everyone knows what to do.

[00:35:19] That's how the point is that we were discussing that

[00:35:22] the genius is born with something.

[00:35:23] Something.

[00:35:24] So it is a new variant, we can say.

[00:35:26] That they are there for acting as a catalyst in the progress.

[00:35:31] To fast the process, that species is coming.

[00:35:34] And that is one person's job, that's why it is coming.

[00:35:37] If 100 people needed, 100 geniuses would have been in use in the century.

[00:35:41] So we say that alien human hybrid and all.

[00:35:44] So this is a type of experimentation in the era of evolution

[00:35:48] where God is not doing it.

[00:35:51] No natural phenomenon is happening.

[00:35:54] The concept we have given in the series is about the holographic universe.

[00:35:58] That everything is confined for your suitability.

[00:36:04] Which is made for you.

[00:36:06] This world is made for you.

[00:36:07] This world is for you.

[00:36:08] So it is not made because it is low in the philosophical angle.

[00:36:12] You have to take it in literal sense.

[00:36:14] Until now our history has been of the mind of an intelligent person.

[00:36:19] Of 3 million years.

[00:36:21] You also thought that you have given so many biologies,

[00:36:25] such a classification, Neanderthals, Homo sapiens.

[00:36:28] Every step was some different species.

[00:36:31] Some different species it was.

[00:36:33] So you have made that classification to not tackle that thing.

[00:36:39] Your convenience.

[00:36:40] Yes.

[00:36:41] You did not think that the person who has given birth to the alien entity

[00:36:46] what was the purpose of this thing?

[00:36:47] Why did you do it?

[00:36:49] It was because they had to act as a catalyst for the new species.

[00:36:53] We are Homo sapiens now.

[00:36:55] But we are not able to progress that much.

[00:36:57] We are still like there is a scale known as Kardashev scale.

[00:37:00] Which tells you how much civilization is of that type.

[00:37:05] Like which type you come from.

[00:37:07] So there are 4 types generally.

[00:37:09] There are other types but they are considered as very hypothetical.

[00:37:12] Because no one has seen it yet.

[00:37:15] So obviously they have not seen the rest types.

[00:37:18] But there is a hope that these types are present in cosmos.

[00:37:22] Which generally tells science that there is so much cosmos,

[00:37:24] there must be some intelligent species.

[00:37:27] So we are not even type 1 civilization.

[00:37:30] We are at the scale of 0.8.

[00:37:34] Where we are not even able to harness the energy from our own planet.

[00:37:38] And type 1 civilization does that.

[00:37:40] Does that.

[00:37:40] And type 2 civilization harnesses the energy of their own star.

[00:37:45] Which is Sun.

[00:37:46] So there are different types.

[00:37:48] Which work on a large scale.

[00:37:50] Okay.

[00:37:50] And we have reached the level of 0.8 from 3 million years.

[00:37:56] Now if there is an ignorant person,

[00:37:58] he will say that natural process takes a lot of time.

[00:38:01] For that billions of years it takes.

[00:38:02] Type 2 is there.

[00:38:04] So you are trying to get rid of yourself from that topic.

[00:38:07] That is why you are saying that.

[00:38:09] You are not taking up as a challenge.

[00:38:11] Why are we not able to become type 1?

[00:38:13] Why are we not able to harness our own planet energy?

[00:38:16] Which we want to become self-sustaining civilization.

[00:38:18] For which people are working in all musk and big big big things.

[00:38:21] Why are the rest of the people not working on that thing?

[00:38:23] Elon Musk is following the concept of aggressive planetarism.

[00:38:27] Where he is not being jealous about other nations.

[00:38:31] Or defaming other religions.

[00:38:34] He is just saving this planet.

[00:38:39] But our mind is tuned in that way.

[00:38:42] We are an engineered species.

[00:38:43] Which is what aliens have done on us.

[00:38:45] Experimentation and other lines have come to us.

[00:38:47] So they have done it for the same purpose.

[00:38:50] That this lot of 2 billion people,

[00:38:54] they will be working for the enhanced species.

[00:38:57] Who are acting as catalysts,

[00:38:58] who call them genesis.

[00:39:00] If the genesis has given something,

[00:39:01] then they will work with it,

[00:39:03] make things on it,

[00:39:04] and take science and technology forward.

[00:39:07] So the concept that here you have to show aggressive planetarism.

[00:39:12] That is a major thing.

[00:39:13] Because we need aggressive planetarism.

[00:39:15] You should have patriotism towards your own planet.

[00:39:18] Tomorrow after 10 years,

[00:39:19] you will have a species to fight with.

[00:39:22] So if you are not united,

[00:39:24] then you are going to die like this.

[00:39:26] Only my house, my society, my religion.

[00:39:28] I am not the problem of myself.

[00:39:30] Okay, yes.

[00:39:32] And that's how the series is like,

[00:39:34] our existence and not my existence.

[00:39:36] Yeah, very nice concept this is.

[00:39:39] Then one more,

[00:39:40] one last question that we would like to understand from you.

[00:39:44] What kind of environment do you have,

[00:39:48] or you got in Pune

[00:39:50] to study such a different topic?

[00:39:53] What was your environment?

[00:39:54] Do you feel there is any role of Pune

[00:39:59] or contribution of Pune in your work?

[00:40:02] I'll say it plays a very important role.

[00:40:06] I am born and brought up here.

[00:40:08] And Pune is known as the Oxford of East.

[00:40:11] And it is great to be here

[00:40:13] as all the facilities are available

[00:40:15] and climate is also very human friendly.

[00:40:18] And it is very socially and culturally active.

[00:40:21] So it kind of gives you a sense of encouragement

[00:40:25] and keeps you motivated to keep working.

[00:40:28] And you won't feel lonely living here.

[00:40:35] I live in Bhavdankot.

[00:40:36] So it is a hilly area.

[00:40:38] There is a lot of peace, greenery and cool environment.

[00:40:44] So there is a feeling that even if you're not thinking about anything,

[00:40:50] I'm not thinking about cosmos.

[00:40:52] I'm doing my own work.

[00:40:53] But the moment I look outside my window

[00:40:57] and I see a scenario, a landscape,

[00:41:00] which is a very fantasy

[00:41:04] which you see in movies and all,

[00:41:05] if you are getting it in front of you,

[00:41:07] your mind automatically goes into that thinking zone.

[00:41:11] And then you leave your work aside

[00:41:12] and focus on our existence.

[00:41:14] So this is a very key role

[00:41:17] if there is any thinker.

[00:41:20] That thinker is only created when there is an environment in front of it.

[00:41:23] You can't think in closed rooms.

[00:41:25] You need to have an open space.

[00:41:28] So I started this journey of writing my own theories and concepts

[00:41:32] 7-8 years ago.

[00:41:35] I used to sit on my window pane itself

[00:41:37] because when I saw that UFO, I was sitting there.

[00:41:40] So in my mind, it has become a psychological thing

[00:41:44] that I will see that one day again.

[00:41:46] So I just sit there in the hope that they will arrive again.

[00:41:53] Very interesting.

[00:41:54] Think about things and I guess the sky and environment.

[00:42:13] We believe, yes.

[00:42:14] Physics has been proven by the organization

[00:42:18] who is working in particle accelerator and physics and all.

[00:42:23] They have proved that dark matter exists.

[00:42:29] 10 years ago, it was not possible.

[00:42:33] People had a hope that dark matter exists

[00:42:36] because there is something driving us.

[00:42:40] So that's where comes the concept

[00:42:42] that fiction is nothing but the future of reality.

[00:42:44] Yeah, that's beautiful.

[00:42:46] Joe, this is the quote that I've given in my series

[00:42:48] that whatever is fiction today, it is the reality in the next 25-30 years.

[00:42:54] So if you are thinking of something fictitious,

[00:42:57] you should also have that dual mindset

[00:42:59] that in the next 10 years, it will be visible to me.

[00:43:02] It will happen.

[00:43:03] It will happen.

[00:43:04] We are going to colonize on March.

[00:43:07] If you are getting an alien there

[00:43:09] and people don't know who are sitting in your ship for 10-20,000 people,

[00:43:13] then there will be a different Ramayana.

[00:43:16] And this is retired official, so Israel's space agency.

[00:43:21] So he said four or three years ago

[00:43:25] that the United States have a bunker set up in Mars underground

[00:43:31] along with the help of the aliens.

[00:43:33] Those who have visited us time and again

[00:43:37] and who are working with us currently.

[00:43:40] So we have prepared that bunker with their help.

[00:43:43] They are revealing it time to time.

[00:43:47] Space station, Russia, US, China,

[00:43:49] they're all friends, yes.

[00:43:55] It was a cover up.

[00:43:58] It was a distraction for us

[00:44:01] from the actual big picture up there.

[00:44:03] So actually the thing is that the people who are participating in the Cold War

[00:44:06] they're also not aware that it is a distraction.

[00:44:09] It is a cover up.

[00:44:10] They think it is literally a war going on between us.

[00:44:14] But the higher officials, they know it is not a war.

[00:44:16] It is just to distract us and handshake in the space

[00:44:20] and work with the aliens.

[00:44:23] So that is the thing where the concept of aliens can take us to new horizons.

[00:44:29] Because if we don't know about them,

[00:44:31] we will only think about our perceptions.

[00:44:33] And we think we are the only intelligent species on this planet.

[00:44:37] So if the other perceptions are thought,

[00:44:40] like perception, we think from the perspective of an alien.

[00:44:43] How the aliens will react to this if it is like this?

[00:44:47] Why will it react to this if it is like this?

[00:44:49] So this is the biggest thing that will lead us to being type 1 civilization

[00:44:53] or maybe type 2 civilization very early.

[00:44:56] Fantastic.

[00:44:57] Fantastic.

[00:44:58] So now we are at the end of our interview

[00:45:02] and I have a surprise rapid fire round for you.

[00:45:06] So, they wish let's just quickly see what are the questions

[00:45:10] and let's just see how do we reply?

[00:45:14] So choose how about what will you choose

[00:45:17] if you have to choose only one of the following?

[00:45:20] Okay.

[00:45:20] I'll just quickly throw away the questions

[00:45:22] and you give me the first answer that hits your mind.

[00:45:26] Okay.

[00:45:26] So electrical engineering or ufology?

[00:45:30] Ufology.

[00:45:31] Great.

[00:45:32] Movies or web series?

[00:45:34] Movies.

[00:45:35] Football or cricket?

[00:45:37] Football.

[00:45:38] Science fiction or action movies?

[00:45:40] Science fiction.

[00:45:41] Hollywood or Bollywood?

[00:45:43] Hollywood.

[00:45:45] Dancing, music or acting?

[00:45:49] Acting.

[00:45:50] Lucknow or Pune?

[00:45:52] Pune because I am a punaker

[00:45:55] and I know Marathi very well.

[00:45:58] So there's no doubt that I'll choose Pune at first.

[00:46:02] Great.

[00:46:03] So, Devesh, you have to choose only two words for the following.

[00:46:09] Okay.

[00:46:10] So these will be things from Pune

[00:46:13] and you just have to describe them in two words.

[00:46:16] Okay.

[00:46:17] Your college, MITWPU?

[00:46:19] Excellent and visionary.

[00:46:23] Great.

[00:46:24] Traffic of Pune?

[00:46:26] Chaos and mismanagement.

[00:46:29] Yeah, wonderful.

[00:46:31] Rains of Pune?

[00:46:33] Great and I'll say that it gives a sense of, you know, be a thinker.

[00:46:41] It has a very visionary approach because when I'll just give a brief background

[00:46:45] because when the rain comes, the rain starts working very differently

[00:46:53] because your environment changes completely.

[00:46:55] You are in summer for three months,

[00:46:57] you are in the rain for four months

[00:46:59] so the fantasy of your movie in your brain adds a new element to it.

[00:47:07] Then your mind goes in a different way

[00:47:08] that you are connecting with it.

[00:47:11] So that is, I'll say, a visionary approach.

[00:47:14] It's a very different answer.

[00:47:16] Many of us don't think about rains like that anymore

[00:47:20] and it's really a nice answer.

[00:47:22] Now, Devish, pick up your favorite section.

[00:47:25] So your favorite street food?

[00:47:29] Vada Pav.

[00:47:30] Great.

[00:47:31] Your favorite spot in Pune?

[00:47:34] I'll say FC Road.

[00:47:37] Oh wow!

[00:47:38] Your all-time favorite movie?

[00:47:41] My all-time favorite movie.

[00:47:42] Well actually I don't have any favorite movie

[00:47:44] because I like everyone if they are appealing.

[00:47:47] But there are some movies that are running on TV.

[00:47:51] You are always ready to watch them.

[00:47:53] It's okay, it will work.

[00:47:55] I'll say Pursuit of Happiness.

[00:47:58] Oh wow!

[00:47:58] Wonderful!

[00:48:00] Your favorite football player?

[00:48:03] David Beckham is my idol because he is a very dynamic and charismatic guy.

[00:48:07] Good, great choice.

[00:48:10] Your favorite cricket player?

[00:48:12] Virat Kohli.

[00:48:14] Wow! That was pretty straight, pretty clear.

[00:48:16] He is very technically sound-like.

[00:48:19] Very well played, Devish.

[00:48:21] I must say it was really nice to know more about you

[00:48:24] and all these things were really different way of thinking.

[00:48:30] They were result of a different thought process.

[00:48:34] So we really enjoyed it today.

[00:48:35] I hope my listeners also did enjoy to the same extent.

[00:48:40] It was an amazing experience to have you on the Punekar podcast today, Devish.

[00:48:45] Thank you so much.

[00:48:46] Thank you so much for spending this wonderful time with us

[00:48:49] and all the best for your future.

[00:48:51] Thank you very much. Thank you.