India v England Second Test Review: Jaiswal, Bumrah give Bazball a reality check
The Edges & Sledges Cricket PodcastFebruary 06, 202400:45:22

India v England Second Test Review: Jaiswal, Bumrah give Bazball a reality check

In this episode, the hosts discuss India's victory in the second Test against England. They analyse the performance of both teams in the first and second innings of the #IndvEng Test in Vizag, highlighting key moments and standout players. The conversation also touches on the #Bazball belief of England's team in chasing a big total and the performance of Mukesh Kumar. Additionally, the hosts address the issue of wicket-keepers and the absence of Rishabh Pant in the team. The conversation covers the issue with Bharat as the wicket keeper, previews the third test in Rajkot, discusses potential changes for India, analyses England's potential lineup, and reflects on the series and looks ahead.
India v England Second Test Review: Jaiswal, Bumrah give Bazball a reality check

India v England Second Test Review: Jaiswal, Bumrah give Bazball a reality check

In this episode, the hosts discuss India's victory in the second Test against England. They analyse the performance of both teams in the first and second innings of the #IndvEng Test in Vizag, highlighting key moments and standout players. The conversation also touches on the #Bazball belief of England's team in chasing a big total and the performance of Mukesh Kumar. Additionally, the hosts address the issue of wicket-keepers and the absence of Rishabh Pant in the team. The conversation covers the issue with Bharat as the wicket keeper, previews the third test in Rajkot, discusses potential changes for India, analyses England's potential lineup, and reflects on the series and looks ahead.

[00:00.000 --> 00:29.800] Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the Edges & Sledges Cricket Podcast. I'm your host Ashwin. We have a full house today. I have Varun in Singapore, DJ in London and we are here to celebrate. Going 1-1 is in the India vs. England 5 match test series as India has just completed a phenomenal victory in Vishakapatnam, Varun. [00:30.000 --> 00:37.000] Let me start with you. I think you predicted 5-0. I think we all sort of did. But after that first loss, it was pretty nice to come back on the board in the win. [00:37.000 --> 00:47.000] Yeah, it is more relief than anything because when you start predicting 5-0 and you're down 1-0 at the start, it's really not a good look for anyone. [00:47.000 --> 00:57.000] And remember that Rahul and Jideja weren't playing this. We were definitely a weaker team. But I'm just glad we came up on the right side of it. [00:57.000 --> 01:02.000] Yeah, DJ, let me ask you, there's a lot of conversation and India should be dominating on this and that. [01:02.000 --> 01:14.000] And then Varun mentioned K.L. Rahul, Varun Jideja, who are basically starters in this side. But you can go deeper. You can go to Shami. You can go to Rishapant, which is probably his longer term. [01:14.000 --> 01:16.000] I don't know if I'm missing anybody else. [01:16.000 --> 01:17.000] Virat Kouli? [01:17.000 --> 01:22.000] I mean, of course. Of course. It is not. [01:22.000 --> 01:30.000] And then, of course, it's being the first series in a post for Jara Rahane era. I mean, you can look at this 11 and I haven't done the math. [01:30.000 --> 01:35.000] But you can say there's not a lot of test-playing experience in this 11 if you maybe exclude Ashwin, right? [01:35.000 --> 01:42.000] Because Rohit also hasn't played all that many tests. For India, so DJ, does that add an element of excitement around this win? [01:42.000 --> 01:51.000] Yeah, I mean, as Varun said, there's a bit of relief. I'd given the 3-1 prediction. So I'm still on for that on the India side. [01:51.000 --> 01:58.000] But the whole stat that was going on around before this was, Jorut had more runs than the entire Indian batting line up or something like that. [01:58.000 --> 02:01.000] That's playing something quite hard like that. [02:01.000 --> 02:09.000] Which, inexperienced yes, but in their home conditions, India are a difficult beast to beat, right? [02:09.000 --> 02:16.000] And we'll come to it and whether this is the end of basketball, whether basketballers have been taught a lesson. [02:17.000 --> 02:23.000] Or is basketball just playing badly in the first innings of a match and then like chasing in the final inning? [02:23.000 --> 02:29.000] I don't know, maybe that's just how bad ball is. But I think it sets up the series pretty nicely. [02:29.000 --> 02:35.000] And there was a lot of criticism for India not playing positively in the third innings. [02:35.000 --> 02:40.000] But I think we need to talk a little bit about that, whether they were a little bit shell-shocked after Hyderabad. [02:40.000 --> 02:42.000] Overall, a great result. [02:42.000 --> 02:45.000] Yeah, a lot to get into when you started hitting on some of the key points. [02:45.000 --> 02:48.000] But thank you to everybody who sent in questions. Varun, are you going to answer them? [02:48.000 --> 02:53.000] No, I was just going to say, just talking about the team, I think this is our weakest team in the last four years. [02:53.000 --> 02:57.000] Yeah, especially because we played Mukesh. [02:57.000 --> 03:07.000] Yeah, and I mean, just between Shami, Kohli, Bant, Rahul, and Deja, you got 5 out of 11 guys who should actually be in the playing 11, forget squad. [03:07.000 --> 03:12.000] So this is definitely our weakest team, maybe you bought in Gaba. [03:12.000 --> 03:17.000] I think the question is, yeah, and Gaba was one of those freak type of teams, right? Netballers playing and all that. [03:17.000 --> 03:28.000] But I think the question Varun is, do we have a problem where we move on too quickly from test players and want to get, like, you have an opener who's 22 and a number three who's 24. [03:28.000 --> 03:35.000] But in T20 is most of our average age is like 36, whereas you'd think the establishment would be the opposite, right? [03:35.000 --> 03:43.000] Yeah, well, we had Purane for a long time, right? Pajana and Mahane. So I don't know, man, a lot of people will get into it. [03:43.000 --> 03:49.000] A lot of people started saying, yeah, Pajana back and stuff. I don't necessarily think that's the right strategy. [03:49.000 --> 03:55.000] And we're going to talk about Gill too, but a lot of people had Gill's head on the chopping board. [03:55.000 --> 04:02.000] And I'm just thinking through this, right? If you throw a Gill out, what kind of messaging is sending? [04:02.000 --> 04:12.000] Because he is the next captain, whether we like it or not. If you look at India's history over maybe 20, 30, 40 years, Gill is the next captain. [04:12.000 --> 04:17.000] So saying you should throw him out is not great. But anyway, sorry, I'm jumping. [04:17.000 --> 04:25.000] No, it's very interesting. And there's a lot to cover. So first off, exciting when congratulations. Very excited to be at 1-1. [04:25.000 --> 04:32.000] And you could argue that it should have been 2-0, but you can also argue from 1-0 down. It could have gotten worse, right? [04:32.000 --> 04:39.000] So why don't we get into it in dissection a little? And thank you to everybody who sent in questions. We'll try to hit them all. [04:39.000 --> 04:43.000] DJ, you want to start and give us kind of the rundown of that first innings, right? [04:43.000 --> 04:49.000] So first off, I think you mentioned it, two changes in the score. Three, two, four changes, right? [04:49.000 --> 04:58.000] Right? Patida rocks in, Mukesh Kumar comes in, and then Goldie comes in. How were you feeling the morning of day one when the score, when the playing 11 was announced? [04:58.000 --> 05:06.000] So I have to say, I mean, Patida I think was probably ahead of self-rescound to call up to the squad with the injury to Kail Rahul. [05:06.000 --> 05:12.000] Another soft tissue injury to Rahul. Unlucky, he's out again. [05:12.000 --> 05:18.000] So Patida was above him in the pecking order. He was in the original squad, so fair play. The management gave him a shot. [05:18.000 --> 05:25.000] He'd done well in the recent Lions game. I think I need to get a first-class turn against them, so I was okay with that. [05:25.000 --> 05:31.000] Goldie I think was our pick as well, because when Jadeja went out, I mean, Goldie was your next best spinner, right? [05:31.000 --> 05:36.000] And he can battle a little bit as well, not a like for like, but a good enough spin replacement. [05:37.000 --> 05:43.000] The surprise was the replacement of Siraj with Mokesh. Mokesh did really well in South Africa, take no credit away from him. [05:43.000 --> 05:49.000] He came in the second task, bold beautifully, but he had conditions in his favor. I mean, the test lasted a day and a half, right? [05:49.000 --> 05:56.000] So it's quite different bowling in conditions which are helpful to you as opposed to this pitch which seemed pretty flat. [05:56.000 --> 06:05.000] Now we should come to the pitch itself and the choice the curator made and perhaps the Indian team management made, not to go for a turner or a burner [06:05.000 --> 06:15.000] or a rank turn or whatever they call it, but to go for a good cricket pitch where they looked like you could score a lot of rounds on that in the first innings. [06:15.000 --> 06:18.000] I don't know, any thoughts on the pitch? [06:18.000 --> 06:26.000] Yeah, Varun, let me ask you about that a little bit, right? So you, all this discussion about rank-turners, Ahmedabad, Death, Saksha Pratil, one and a half days and all this stuff. [06:26.000 --> 06:39.000] And then obviously the first test match didn't work in our favor and arguably, and remember, Mark Woodbould is the one lone Seamer, but three spinners, fourth option being Jourud, India pick two Seamers. [06:39.000 --> 06:47.000] England chose to stay keep the same strategy of one quick and the rest of their bowling options are spin and yet you have the home team again playing two quicks. [06:47.000 --> 06:52.000] How do you feel about that approach? There's been a lot of chat in the media saying we shouldn't do rank-turners. [06:52.000 --> 06:58.000] We have some of the, maybe the best quick-balling arsenal in the history of Indian quick-balling at least. [06:58.000 --> 07:01.000] So what is your take on that pitch and the overall assessment? [07:01.000 --> 07:09.000] Yeah, so just a couple of points. One, I think we put too much pressure on ourselves to create these rank-turners without realizing that you're going to be batting on the same pitch. [07:09.000 --> 07:17.000] And I don't know, you're not that great at spin, this betting lineup isn't that great at spin, even though they say it is. [07:17.000 --> 07:24.000] The second thing I'd say is I think the pitch was good. I think it was a good pitch. I think it was fair to both sides. [07:24.000 --> 07:35.000] It was a lot of runs on day one and actually the second, like out of the four innings, the second highest score was actually scored on day four, right? [07:35.000 --> 07:44.000] So I think to me that is signs of a good pitch. And then the third reason I think it's a good pitch is because Jourud didn't pick up a wicket. [07:44.000 --> 07:54.000] So it felt normal, right? Like he's been asked to ball a few overs and he's not this deadly all-rounder who's putting callus to shame. [07:54.000 --> 07:58.000] And so I think that was a good pitch in my opinion. [07:58.000 --> 08:05.000] Yeah, Jourud also, DJ mentioned him, but his collective score across the match was lower than the score I showed made in the 1&X. [08:05.000 --> 08:09.000] So there's some fun ways to look at slice and dice stats. [08:09.000 --> 08:16.000] But while you're at it, you mentioned some higher scores on day one and day four. Talk us through day one then, right? [08:16.000 --> 08:26.000] You can look back at a scorecard and say 396 first innings, 112 overs, batting it over three runs and over closer to three and a half. [08:27.000 --> 08:36.000] And yet for those of us who watched it closely, it may be the most frustrated I've ever seen a fan base for getting 396 in the first innings. [08:36.000 --> 08:43.000] And obviously the big driver is, of that is 60% of the runs were scored by one player and opener, but talk me through that. [08:43.000 --> 08:46.000] How did you feel about that first innings? [08:46.000 --> 08:55.000] Yeah, I thought it was poor, right? Because in India, you are expecting on day one for two or three guys to be pushing close to 80, 90, 100, right? [08:55.000 --> 09:02.000] So you are pushing for that and I think I was disappointed with the rest of the team. [09:02.000 --> 09:10.000] So before we talk about jazz one, I think I'm a bit shocked that Rohit, I feel like he just looks bored. [09:10.000 --> 09:15.000] Yeah, I think he just gets bored and then he doesn't know what to do and he's like... [09:15.000 --> 09:23.000] Except for the one team, he had that intensity where he talked about guys walking in the park, [09:23.000 --> 09:27.000] and everybody looks like they're walking in the park and then I'll leave out the rest. [09:27.000 --> 09:32.000] I think he's been under so much pressure to look alive and you're on the field. [09:32.000 --> 09:39.000] But I just get the sense that Rohit is bored. They set up a leg slip for him and he just played it to leg slip. [09:39.000 --> 09:41.000] He's just like, I'll give you what you want. [09:41.000 --> 09:43.000] A 19-year-old debut talent as well. [09:43.000 --> 09:51.000] Yeah, who didn't get a visa at all? And imagine he's coming from a corded leg slip for the most on this missile. [09:51.000 --> 09:56.000] So he was, I don't know, I just think he's bored. He's got to figure out what he wants. [09:56.000 --> 10:01.000] The rest of the line-up 34, Gail 27, Aya 32, Patti Dhar. [10:01.000 --> 10:05.000] All just average. You don't expect that on day one at home. [10:05.000 --> 10:08.000] For batsman in their home conditions, right? [10:08.000 --> 10:11.000] You're expecting one of these guests to get a 50, a 60, a 70. [10:11.000 --> 10:15.000] And I'll just talk about Patti Dhar. I'll turn into the whole line-up. [10:15.000 --> 10:20.000] But I thought he looked good. But then at the end of it, I didn't know how to assess him. [10:20.000 --> 10:24.000] I think he turned to come in and hit 32 in India. [10:24.000 --> 10:27.000] You're not, anything less than that is not acceptable. [10:27.000 --> 10:30.000] I said here, by the way, just saying, Patti, I got very unlucky. [10:30.000 --> 10:32.000] It's just a very unlucky dismissal. [10:32.000 --> 10:38.000] Being bored off of a ball that just kind of, you know, you get contact and then trickles back on the stops. [10:38.000 --> 10:42.000] But it was still a good ball. Like there was bounce. It hit him very high on the bat. [10:42.000 --> 10:44.000] And yeah, it was unlucky. [10:44.000 --> 10:48.000] So it's much, much more forgivable to me than getting caught out at leg slip [10:48.000 --> 10:52.000] or going on the ball. That's what I meant when I said I'm back in person. [10:52.000 --> 10:59.000] So yeah, DJ, you look at numbers two through eight and say, everybody crossed into double digits, but nobody crossed 34. [10:59.000 --> 11:03.000] I mean, that's just bizarre, right? Nobody just went on. [11:03.000 --> 11:10.000] And there's a crazy stat, I think, read somewhere that it's only Brian, Lara, and Jess Wall that have scored 200. [11:10.000 --> 11:13.000] And the next highest score has been like 34-level. [11:13.000 --> 11:15.000] That's a great stat, actually. [11:16.000 --> 11:18.000] Lara did that in 2006 or something. [11:18.000 --> 11:19.000] What? [11:19.000 --> 11:22.000] And I think it's a quick info article or a quick info stat about this. [11:22.000 --> 11:26.000] It's a great stat, but I think first we must give credit to Jess Wall. [11:26.000 --> 11:32.000] He played out that spell from Jimmy Anderson in a very mature way because he's 22 years old. [11:32.000 --> 11:35.000] We keep forgetting that we've been watching him in the IPL and he's only started doing well in the IPL, [11:35.000 --> 11:42.000] but he was captain of the under-19 team if you remember that had that fight with the Bangladesh team in the final and all of that stuff. [11:43.000 --> 11:46.000] And he's done well in the IPL. He's got a test 100 on debut. [11:46.000 --> 11:50.000] He struggled a little bit in South Africa, but continues to play that way. [11:50.000 --> 11:59.000] Played well in the first innings in the Hyderabad, got a bit of a start in the second innings and convert. [11:59.000 --> 12:05.000] This, he said, I thought the patience and the maturity that Jess Wall showed. [12:05.000 --> 12:09.000] I think that was incredible. He recognized the pitch. He recognized the bowl of the bowling well. [12:09.000 --> 12:14.000] And he batted for time. He knew he can score 140 balls. [12:14.000 --> 12:23.000] But to score that double 100 and to go beyond 100 and it's the whole Mumbai school of batting and all like 100 is not enough to stand out. [12:23.000 --> 12:27.000] You have to go beyond that. And I thought he was absolutely magnified. [12:27.000 --> 12:31.000] He led the batting lineup. It was that maturity that came through. [12:31.000 --> 12:38.000] It was brilliant. It was the likes of Rohit a year and others have played more cricket. [12:38.000 --> 12:42.000] But this guy was leading the batting lineup and he played a magnificent knock. [12:42.000 --> 12:48.000] In my view, he played the spinners really well. He can hit a big shot when he wants to. [12:48.000 --> 12:53.000] I was super disappointed with the ways we lost wickets. We are even at a 300 for four. [12:53.000 --> 12:58.000] If you end that day 3.30 for four instead of 3.30 for six, that's more your day than the opposition. [12:58.000 --> 13:02.000] The issue with this lineup for me is there's always two wickets around the corner. [13:02.000 --> 13:06.000] It's always there. England are never out of a game. [13:06.000 --> 13:09.000] You can't think that they're going to be out of game. [13:09.000 --> 13:14.000] Even today, even on day two, you started at 3.30 for six. [13:14.000 --> 13:19.000] You would expect to stretch it to 4.20 or so with the likes of Ashwin Jadeja. [13:19.000 --> 13:21.000] But we wrap to 3.96. [13:21.000 --> 13:28.000] That tail just, the opposition knows that once you get into six wickets, seven wickets, it's cut, cut, cut. [13:28.000 --> 13:31.000] And that I think has been a bit of a worry for me. [13:31.000 --> 13:34.000] It was a lost opportunity to bat big. [13:34.000 --> 13:37.000] I thought we were about 100 runs short in that first inning. [13:37.000 --> 13:39.000] That we left 100 runs on the pitch. [13:39.000 --> 13:42.000] Like some Bharat getting out in the 91st over of the day. [13:42.000 --> 13:46.000] I mean, come on. England did well to bowl that many overs. [13:46.000 --> 13:49.000] But just why are you cutting? You've seen Akshara get out. [13:49.000 --> 13:50.000] You've seen Ayur get out like that. [13:50.000 --> 13:53.000] Why are you trying to cut the ball at that point in the day? [13:53.000 --> 13:55.000] It's just freaky wickets, right? [13:55.000 --> 14:02.000] It's just lack of cricketing now, so cricketing, I don't know. [14:02.000 --> 14:05.000] I don't want to say knowledge, because these guys are playing high level of cricket. [14:05.000 --> 14:10.000] But it's like recognizing the moment and holding yourself back. [14:10.000 --> 14:13.000] Yeah, I mean, I think once I've learned that's part of why I was saying, you know, [14:13.000 --> 14:17.000] there was frustration despite making 396, which seemed so bizarre, [14:17.000 --> 14:20.000] especially in the era we've been in a lower test course. [14:20.000 --> 14:22.000] But again, full, full, full credit to Jazwan. [14:22.000 --> 14:24.000] Phenomenal knock, absolutely tremendous knock. [14:24.000 --> 14:26.000] I mean, you can't expect any more. [14:26.000 --> 14:28.000] You can't even expect that much from a 22-year-old. [14:28.000 --> 14:30.000] But you've got to give them full credit where it's you. [14:30.000 --> 14:34.000] In response then, I learned a lot to talk about in England's first innings, right? [14:34.000 --> 14:39.000] But Zach Crawley has just come out looking like a threat. [14:39.000 --> 14:41.000] We went through this period in English to test cricket, [14:41.000 --> 14:42.000] but they couldn't find openers. [14:42.000 --> 14:45.000] They were changing openers every couple of the series. [14:45.000 --> 14:46.000] They couldn't figure it out. [14:46.000 --> 14:50.000] And now, you know, they've crossed, I think there's one of the few opening pairs [14:50.000 --> 14:54.000] who've crossed 50 run partnerships four times in a single series. [14:54.000 --> 14:56.000] And they've only played four times so far. [14:56.000 --> 14:59.000] So that means no really early weekend so far. [14:59.000 --> 15:03.000] But yeah, talk to me about that kind of England's response, right? [15:03.000 --> 15:04.000] A little bit passball-esque. [15:04.000 --> 15:08.000] They came out Zach Crawley scored 76 on a run of ball basically. [15:08.000 --> 15:13.000] And then talk to me about the man who changed this whole game [15:13.000 --> 15:17.000] and brought it entitled to life in England's first innings. [15:18.000 --> 15:21.000] Yeah, so I just, first on Zach Crawley, [15:21.000 --> 15:24.000] I think classic example of somebody who was struggling, [15:24.000 --> 15:27.000] got backing from the coach and the team management. [15:27.000 --> 15:31.000] They saw that he has that ability to score quickly, [15:31.000 --> 15:38.000] which is there unplay fearlessly, which is there kind of mantra for this new test team [15:38.000 --> 15:40.000] that they've created a couple of years ago. [15:40.000 --> 15:42.000] And they've just backed him. [15:42.000 --> 15:44.000] Now, maybe they weren't good replacements. [15:44.000 --> 15:46.000] Maybe you stick by somebody and they deliver. [15:46.000 --> 15:51.000] But today he looks like probably one of the most threatening batters in that lineup, [15:51.000 --> 15:52.000] right, in the England lineup. [15:52.000 --> 15:54.000] So you're talking about 76 in the first innings. [15:54.000 --> 15:56.000] He actually got 73 in the second, right? [15:56.000 --> 16:01.000] So cumulative, very, very kind of impressive numbers for me. [16:01.000 --> 16:03.000] The rest were okay. [16:03.000 --> 16:04.000] Oli Pope came at three. [16:04.000 --> 16:07.000] I can't remember if that's what his batting position is, [16:07.000 --> 16:10.000] because I thought root might be a three, but maybe it's Pope. [16:10.000 --> 16:11.000] And the game... [16:11.000 --> 16:13.000] I mean, second innings were unplay. [16:14.000 --> 16:16.000] Which is why I realized it doesn't help me to check that. [16:16.000 --> 16:17.000] But yes, Pope came before root. [16:17.000 --> 16:19.000] So yes, he probably is at three. [16:19.000 --> 16:21.000] So Pope comes in. [16:21.000 --> 16:24.000] This guy has got 196 in the last game. [16:24.000 --> 16:27.000] 23 or 55 looking good, building his base. [16:27.000 --> 16:33.000] And then he gets this ball, which is an in swinging yorker. [16:33.000 --> 16:34.000] What a ball. [16:34.000 --> 16:40.000] And after that, that's all I've seen for the last two days on Twitter and Instagram. [16:41.000 --> 16:47.000] Like everyone has posted that saying, what a ball, what a baller, [16:47.000 --> 16:50.000] which is what Harshapur Gles said at the time, right? [16:50.000 --> 16:51.000] Oh my God. [16:51.000 --> 16:56.000] That ball just turned the innings upside down. [16:56.000 --> 17:00.000] They had no idea what was going to follow. [17:00.000 --> 17:05.000] Jasprit Bomerad doesn't do much with the new ball in these last couple of games, [17:05.000 --> 17:09.000] but man, he's like, I learned how to reverse swing in India before I learned [17:09.000 --> 17:10.000] how to swing. [17:10.000 --> 17:13.000] And he just steamrolled these guys. [17:13.000 --> 17:17.000] He got root for five, besto for 25. [17:17.000 --> 17:20.000] He got stokes bold and stokes are looking good. [17:20.000 --> 17:22.000] 47, again, fighting innings. [17:22.000 --> 17:24.000] And almost run the ball. [17:24.000 --> 17:29.000] And to the point where stokes is now getting out and just dropping is bad. [17:29.000 --> 17:30.000] I don't know. [17:30.000 --> 17:35.000] It's a bit disrespectful to me because you're not like there's only two ways to read that. [17:35.000 --> 17:39.000] One is the pitch is making the ball not bounce. [17:39.000 --> 17:42.000] And so I'm missing it because of uneven bounce. [17:42.000 --> 17:46.000] Second is like, I'm just bounding down to this baller right now. [17:46.000 --> 17:48.000] He's definitely not doing the latter. [17:48.000 --> 17:53.000] So I found it a bit disrespectful to do that the second time when he's getting you bold [17:53.000 --> 17:54.000] again and again. [17:54.000 --> 17:55.000] Yeah. [17:55.000 --> 17:57.000] I mean, I don't understand. [17:57.000 --> 18:01.000] I watched that reaction video probably 20 times because I'm trying to figure out what is happening. [18:01.000 --> 18:03.000] So he's done that once before the boomerang by the way. [18:03.000 --> 18:07.000] He got bored and dropped his bat and just looked confused. [18:07.000 --> 18:08.000] In the last day. [18:08.000 --> 18:09.000] In the last days. [18:09.000 --> 18:10.000] That's what I'm saying. [18:10.000 --> 18:11.000] Oh, yeah, I guess it was. [18:11.000 --> 18:12.000] That's what I'm saying. [18:12.000 --> 18:14.000] He's done it twice in like three innings or so. [18:14.000 --> 18:18.000] But he didn't do it to shummy when he got bored by him in the World Cup after that. [18:18.000 --> 18:19.000] Yeah. [18:19.000 --> 18:20.000] So sometimes he puts his hands down like this. [18:20.000 --> 18:25.000] Sometimes he puts it up like this, but he's reflecting boundaries for four. [18:25.000 --> 18:26.000] All right. [18:26.000 --> 18:30.960] But yeah, I mean, tremendous, just tremendous to be able to ignite a bowling attack as a quick [18:30.960 --> 18:31.960] ball. [18:31.960 --> 18:35.960] Whereas the lone quick baller who did anything of high impact up until right at the end. [18:35.960 --> 18:38.960] I think just absolutely unbelievable. [18:38.960 --> 18:40.960] And so let me just ask you the question. [18:40.960 --> 18:42.960] I mean, the genius of the man. [18:42.960 --> 18:47.960] I'll come to the question is the genius of the man is he got Joe route with an inductor last [18:47.960 --> 18:48.960] time. [18:48.960 --> 18:50.960] The ball came in got him. [18:50.960 --> 18:52.960] This time he bolded it away. [18:52.960 --> 18:54.960] The ball moved away off the deck. [18:54.960 --> 18:55.960] Joe route edited to Schumman. [18:55.960 --> 18:57.960] Gil who got brilliantly by the way. [18:57.960 --> 18:58.960] Yeah. [18:58.960 --> 18:59.960] Lots of catches too. [18:59.960 --> 19:06.560] And then Boombra was like three or four of his six wickets to to Schumman also don't forget [19:06.560 --> 19:08.480] Boonra started off his spell. [19:08.480 --> 19:10.120] He got six forty five. [19:10.120 --> 19:14.720] His first over went for 16 exactly only hit four boundaries in it, right? [19:14.720 --> 19:15.720] That's six. [19:15.720 --> 19:21.480] The control to come back from that was absolutely outstanding. [19:21.480 --> 19:28.040] Yes, the ball that the only poor ball just went nuts like Twitter went nuts on it. [19:28.040 --> 19:31.040] But there was so much to that spell, which was just outstanding. [19:31.040 --> 19:35.360] The Joe route dismissal in out, in out, in out, even the Jimmy Anderson dismissal that was [19:35.360 --> 19:36.360] a slow ball. [19:36.360 --> 19:41.040] Nobody picks it up because unless it's like a genius ball to Sean March the last before [19:41.040 --> 19:45.560] ball before like you don't want the Oli Robinson off cutter, but he's just doing this for fun. [19:45.560 --> 19:52.040] The amount of control he has and it's just it is a privilege to watch a bowler like Boombra [19:52.040 --> 19:53.040] in this kind of form. [19:53.040 --> 19:54.040] He's had his injuries. [19:54.040 --> 19:59.080] Come back and he's right now the point of difference between these two teams, even in [19:59.080 --> 20:05.000] the first test, he took four for in the second innings to somewhat stem that tide which Oli [20:05.000 --> 20:07.160] Pope had turned, right? [20:07.160 --> 20:08.160] And I don't know. [20:08.160 --> 20:10.800] I'm sure you know the stats better than I is it the highest wicket taker in the series [20:10.800 --> 20:11.800] so far? [20:11.800 --> 20:12.800] He must be got nine for 91 today. [20:12.800 --> 20:13.800] Yeah. [20:13.800 --> 20:14.800] I mean, I know would have picked that. [20:14.800 --> 20:19.200] I know that it was his second highest, the second best figures ever for a quick baller in [20:19.200 --> 20:20.200] India. [20:20.200 --> 20:25.200] I mean, just just truly tremendous, right? [20:25.200 --> 20:26.200] Wow. [20:26.200 --> 20:27.200] Yeah. [20:27.200 --> 20:28.200] Varun the question that came in. [20:28.200 --> 20:29.200] You can ask the question. [20:29.200 --> 20:30.200] Yeah. [20:30.200 --> 20:31.200] Varun, let me ask it to you. [20:31.200 --> 20:34.840] Nilesh Jens and did Boombra rescue a below average Indian batting performance considering [20:34.840 --> 20:36.600] the pitch and English baller? [20:36.600 --> 20:37.600] Yes. [20:37.600 --> 20:38.600] I think the answer is yes. [20:38.600 --> 20:44.560] Not often would you say you hit 400 and then a bowler rescues you, but the pitch was such [20:44.560 --> 20:48.040] the England lineup was such their style of play is such. [20:48.040 --> 20:52.760] So I think he did help because, you see, we still got the model for 253. [20:52.760 --> 20:58.720] If that had touched 333-14, you're not left with enough of a lead, right? [20:58.720 --> 21:01.200] So basically, we look at the math situation. [21:01.200 --> 21:06.920] You won by 100 runs and Boombra effectively restricted them by 100 runs in that second inning. [21:06.920 --> 21:09.840] So yes, that made the difference. [21:09.840 --> 21:15.000] I think the interesting point is, you know, like the like the rest is said, I think it's [21:15.000 --> 21:16.200] a workload management thing. [21:16.200 --> 21:19.280] You guys think Boombra is going to play all five? [21:19.280 --> 21:23.680] I think it is just starting to show up that the rumors sort of take the rumors to the ground [21:23.680 --> 21:26.680] salt, but that he may be rested for the third test. [21:26.680 --> 21:29.640] And yeah, which makes sense to me. [21:29.640 --> 21:30.640] I don't know if it does. [21:30.640 --> 21:31.640] It's 10 days away. [21:31.640 --> 21:32.640] Oh, 10 days. [21:32.640 --> 21:33.640] Yeah. [21:33.640 --> 21:34.640] So what I'm saying is maybe I would definitely... [21:34.640 --> 21:37.800] Aren't England off to Abu Dhabi because they don't want to hang out in India? [21:37.800 --> 21:38.800] They're golfing. [21:38.800 --> 21:39.800] Is that really? [21:39.800 --> 21:40.800] Yeah. [21:40.800 --> 21:41.800] I think they're going to Abu Dhabi. [21:41.800 --> 21:44.040] I seem to have heard someone say that or read that. [21:44.120 --> 21:45.440] Better food there, I guess. [21:45.440 --> 21:47.040] Big beans, better. [21:47.040 --> 21:49.560] No, no, go of it. [21:49.560 --> 21:50.560] No, sorry. [21:50.560 --> 21:55.000] One thing we should call out actually is the fielding in that test match by India and [21:55.000 --> 21:56.000] also by England. [21:56.000 --> 22:00.640] I mean, they've been stuck sketch running backwards in 10, but a year's catch to dismiss Zach [22:00.640 --> 22:01.640] Crawley. [22:01.640 --> 22:02.640] Jack Crawley. [22:02.640 --> 22:03.640] Jack Crawley. [22:03.640 --> 22:08.440] Zach Crawley running backwards over his shoulder. [22:08.440 --> 22:10.840] Crawley was on 70 or 76 or something. [22:10.840 --> 22:12.960] England were looking decent. [22:12.960 --> 22:15.760] That was another game-changing moment. [22:15.760 --> 22:21.440] Like we dropped Oli Pope in the first test match at Hyderabad, I should drop that catch. [22:21.440 --> 22:24.720] I took a brilliant blinder to change the moment. [22:24.720 --> 22:27.840] Yeah, at this point between that and the run-out at the end of the year, the end of the month, [22:27.840 --> 22:30.840] the year's in the team was a specialist fielder. [22:30.840 --> 22:33.640] So I mean, he didn't bet that badly. [22:33.640 --> 22:39.040] He got off to a decent start, but let's just keep it going. [22:39.040 --> 22:42.440] You know, 143 run lane. [22:42.440 --> 22:46.400] Droith comes out, looks bored to use your words again, if we will. [22:46.400 --> 22:49.760] Makes almost the same by the run, sorry, 13 of 21. [22:49.760 --> 22:55.640] Then Jess Wall gets out and you're sitting here at 34.2, which is effectively 173 foot. [22:55.640 --> 22:58.840] Shubman Gill looks the most shaky. [22:58.840 --> 23:08.840] The most shaky, right, gets, yeah, just gets a LBW decision, by the way, which he, [23:08.840 --> 23:14.240] which looked, just plumbed to the naked eye, completely plumbed to the naked eye. [23:14.240 --> 23:18.840] Chats with his partner, refers it, and gets saved by an angel. [23:18.840 --> 23:20.240] How are you feeling at this point? [23:20.240 --> 23:24.240] I mean, I know, because you are what's happening, we would tell our listeners how you are feeling. [23:24.240 --> 23:28.440] Yeah, so by the way, the person who probably told him to take the review was Iyer. [23:28.440 --> 23:35.440] So he's not just playing as a specialist, he's feeling and also taking DRS for his partners. [23:35.440 --> 23:39.040] So multi-faceted skills. [23:39.040 --> 23:45.640] No, I was very frustrated, okay, because first again, Roy didn't look like he wanted to be there. [23:45.640 --> 23:56.040] And then after that, Gill looked so shaky that I was convinced this guy is going to get dropped in the next game, [23:56.040 --> 24:03.640] which I was not happy about, but I was convinced and I was just like, he not only got saved [24:03.640 --> 24:09.240] because there was a faint age, which he also didn't know that it had touched. [24:09.240 --> 24:15.640] I think the next ball of the next over, he had another very close appeal, which was Humbai's call and miss. [24:15.640 --> 24:17.840] So at that point, I was like, this is done. [24:17.840 --> 24:19.640] What the hell is going on? [24:19.640 --> 24:22.040] And I was just, I was just very upset. [24:23.240 --> 24:29.840] Yeah, so from there, DJ, let's understand kind of how the rest of the innings shaped up. [24:29.840 --> 24:34.240] Right, I say you got off to a decent start, couldn't convert. [24:34.240 --> 24:41.640] Rajat, again, unlucky in that one, absolutely phenomenal, phenomenal catch by Ben Fox. [24:41.640 --> 24:42.840] Yeah, folks. [24:42.840 --> 24:44.840] It's just unbelievable. [24:44.840 --> 24:49.840] We will talk about Stokes' catch on a lot because he was running, or I guess we'll talk about [24:49.840 --> 24:53.640] a year's catch, Stokes' catch instead, because they're more glorious. [24:53.640 --> 24:59.640] But Ben Fox, when you get an underage end, the ball is diverting sharply away for you to catch that in the gloves. [24:59.640 --> 25:00.640] Incredible. [25:00.640 --> 25:06.440] And then, yeah, Akshara looked decent, Ash looked decent, but Shubman Gil managed to take a very [25:06.440 --> 25:10.640] scratchy start and convert it into a century. [25:10.640 --> 25:12.840] And you have to give credit to that, right? [25:12.840 --> 25:13.840] Yeah, of course. [25:13.840 --> 25:18.040] I mean, man under pressure, it's his highest score. [25:18.040 --> 25:20.440] I don't think he'd got a 50 batting at number three, right? [25:20.440 --> 25:21.840] He was doing pretty well as an opener. [25:21.840 --> 25:23.440] I mean, move him down to number three. [25:23.440 --> 25:26.440] It seemed to have thrown his game off completely. [25:27.440 --> 25:32.440] I think he got off the mark with like a short-term pull, which looked like he was just, I mean, [25:32.440 --> 25:36.440] like the old Gil would have just gone back and smacked that into over mid-wicked for six. [25:36.440 --> 25:40.440] But he kind of like short-term pulled it like he didn't know what he was up to. [25:40.440 --> 25:43.440] But he slowly opened out after all those reparives. [25:43.440 --> 25:47.440] There was one edge that went past Joe Root at slip between slip and keeper and stuff. [25:47.440 --> 25:49.440] It's all pretty tense stuff for him. [25:49.440 --> 25:51.440] But I mean, a magnificent knock, man. [25:51.440 --> 25:56.440] At the end of the day, he's got 104 India, one by 106 runs. [25:56.440 --> 26:01.440] So you could say he didn't stand up for the Indian team. [26:01.440 --> 26:06.440] When nobody else again really got in, nobody else really made a difference. [26:06.440 --> 26:10.440] Akshara got in, but then he was he was LBW to one that kept low. [26:10.440 --> 26:14.440] Bharat again failed and sort of gave it away. [26:14.440 --> 26:19.440] What I didn't like was the whole discussion towards the end of that innings, [26:19.440 --> 26:22.440] where India were apparently not being positive. [26:22.440 --> 26:26.440] Right? So this is, this is past tea and we've lost a few wickets. [26:26.440 --> 26:27.440] I think we're eight down at that point. [26:27.440 --> 26:31.440] Ashwin is batting with, Kudip is out and he's batting with Bhumra. [26:31.440 --> 26:33.440] And he puts on a little bit of a partnership then. [26:33.440 --> 26:36.440] I don't know how much it was, 30 runs or so, right? [26:36.440 --> 26:40.440] Of which, I think Bhumra got zero and Ashwin got all of them. [26:40.440 --> 26:42.440] I have no issues with that. [26:42.440 --> 26:43.440] Kevin Peterson was on commentary. [26:43.440 --> 26:46.440] And I think there were others on commentary as well saying India are not being positive. [26:46.440 --> 26:48.440] They're very worried about basketball. [26:48.440 --> 26:50.440] They're there, they're defensive. [26:50.440 --> 26:52.440] You've got two days left in the game. [26:52.440 --> 26:54.440] Why do you need to be so positive? [26:54.440 --> 26:56.440] There are times where it's okay to sit back. [26:56.440 --> 27:01.440] It's okay to grind out the opposition and score the runs that you need to get there. [27:01.440 --> 27:05.440] In the final analysis, if England had gotten other 50 runs, you would be like, [27:05.440 --> 27:08.440] why did Kudip throw his, Kudip throw his, Kudip throw his, Kudip throw his, [27:08.440 --> 27:09.440] I'm okay with that. [27:09.440 --> 27:11.440] Again, Ashwin is a very smart cricketer. [27:11.440 --> 27:15.440] He recognizes the moment and he plays it according to the situation. [27:15.440 --> 27:19.440] He would block, block, block, hit a four, hit a six and move on. [27:19.440 --> 27:21.440] So I was totally okay with that batting. [27:21.440 --> 27:25.440] It's, basketball is not just going after every, I mean, [27:25.440 --> 27:28.440] a bad example of basketball was what we saw today, Joe Root. [27:28.440 --> 27:29.440] But we'll come to that. [27:29.440 --> 27:34.440] I mean, 400 runs in the final innings, man. [27:34.440 --> 27:38.440] I tweeted this, I put our neck, collective neck on the line on Twitter, [27:38.440 --> 27:42.440] or X saying no one gets 400 in the final innings in India. [27:42.440 --> 27:44.440] No one, no one will do it. [27:44.440 --> 27:49.440] Like, basketball is all fine, but there's a limit to how much you can be positive [27:49.440 --> 27:53.440] about 100, which is 600 or 800 or 1000 or that. [27:53.440 --> 27:55.440] Yeah, so it's very interesting. [27:55.440 --> 27:57.440] Varun, let me ask you this question then, right? [27:57.440 --> 28:02.440] Because clips from the English dressing room, I don't know whether it was Jimmy Anderson [28:02.440 --> 28:06.440] or the coach or whoever, but McCallum basically had said, [28:06.440 --> 28:08.440] had said apparently buying clothes towards something like, [28:08.440 --> 28:10.440] even if we have to chase 600, we can get it. [28:10.440 --> 28:12.440] Which again, has never been done in history in India. [28:12.440 --> 28:13.440] Nobody's ever chased 399. [28:13.440 --> 28:15.440] And yet there was this feeling in the air. [28:15.440 --> 28:17.440] And I don't know if that's media or bias or what. [28:17.440 --> 28:20.440] This is feeling in the air that if any team can do it, it's Ben Stokes [28:20.440 --> 28:24.440] and Brendan McCallum's team in this scenario. [28:24.440 --> 28:26.440] Did you ever really believe that? [28:26.440 --> 28:28.440] Or were you in more team DJ's camp that listen, [28:28.440 --> 28:30.440] it's not going to get done or something? [28:30.440 --> 28:32.440] So I wasn't worried. [28:32.440 --> 28:33.440] Let me put it that way. [28:33.440 --> 28:34.440] I wasn't worried. [28:34.440 --> 28:36.440] But yes, there was a nagging thought at the back of my head [28:36.440 --> 28:38.440] that if any team can do it, it's this team. [28:38.440 --> 28:41.440] The 600 and all is, I think he's motivating his own guys. [28:41.440 --> 28:43.440] So I personally didn't read into that. [28:43.440 --> 28:50.440] But I do have to say they got 300 and root played just horrendous cricket. [28:50.440 --> 28:53.440] And Stokes got a casual run out. [28:53.440 --> 28:58.440] So you, I still don't think they would have got chased, got to 400 [28:58.440 --> 29:00.440] and chased that down. [29:00.440 --> 29:01.440] But I think... [29:01.440 --> 29:04.440] How are they taking a moral victory after you? [29:04.440 --> 29:05.440] They're not. [29:05.440 --> 29:06.440] They're not. [29:06.440 --> 29:07.440] They're not. [29:07.440 --> 29:08.440] I'm just saying that. [29:08.440 --> 29:09.440] I don't understand that. [29:09.440 --> 29:13.440] I think all of us somewhere had this feeling that, you know, [29:13.440 --> 29:18.440] the minute you start knocking down like 100 for one, 150 for two, [29:18.440 --> 29:21.440] and you'd go around that kind of progress because it came down [29:21.440 --> 29:24.440] to again, the pitch was not that bad. [29:24.440 --> 29:28.440] So when you're saying nobody chases 400 or day five on a rank turner, [29:28.440 --> 29:29.440] yes. [29:29.440 --> 29:34.440] But in a decent pitch with nine wickets in hand, [29:34.440 --> 29:40.440] I think they, I think the, the realistic thing is we won by like 50 [29:40.440 --> 29:41.440] runs. [29:41.440 --> 29:45.440] I think somehow they got casual or something happened to one of [29:45.440 --> 29:46.440] those key players. [29:46.440 --> 29:48.440] I think they could have easily got 50 runs. [29:48.440 --> 29:51.440] So my prediction in the morning was that we'll win by 50 to 70. [29:51.440 --> 29:54.440] So for me, I just don't subscribe to that thing. [29:54.440 --> 29:57.440] That belief of root got, root played a bad shot and Stokes got run out [29:57.440 --> 29:59.440] easily because you can say the same for us. [29:59.440 --> 30:00.440] Right? [30:00.440 --> 30:02.440] Draw it, play the lazy shot and got out. [30:03.440 --> 30:04.440] Yeah. [30:04.440 --> 30:05.440] And so fine. [30:05.440 --> 30:07.440] But like, that's test cricket for me. [30:07.440 --> 30:08.440] Right? [30:08.440 --> 30:10.440] Like, and if you can create that moment with a little bit of, [30:10.440 --> 30:13.440] if maybe Stokes got on it because of that little bit of added pressure [30:13.440 --> 30:16.440] that no one was putting on and he felt like, so for me, [30:16.440 --> 30:18.440] I don't entirely subscribe to that. [30:18.440 --> 30:21.440] But to the point you're making, even the fact that there was a nagging [30:21.440 --> 30:22.440] thought is that's basketball, right? [30:22.440 --> 30:23.440] That's, that's what it is. [30:23.440 --> 30:24.440] Yeah. [30:24.440 --> 30:26.440] But, but again, this is bad for you. [30:26.440 --> 30:29.440] You score 243 in the first innings, but then you're saying [30:29.440 --> 30:31.440] I'm going to chase 600 in the fourth innings when the pitch is the [30:31.440 --> 30:32.440] worst. [30:32.440 --> 30:34.440] I mean, what is, there's no cricketing logic to this. [30:34.440 --> 30:35.440] But I don't think this. [30:35.440 --> 30:39.440] But they've done it as, they've done it as, but they've not done it in, [30:39.440 --> 30:40.440] in, in, in these conditions. [30:40.440 --> 30:42.440] They've done it in conditions with where the pitch has been flat on [30:42.440 --> 30:44.440] the fourth and the fifth day where they've managed to do it. [30:44.440 --> 30:46.440] They did it in the fifth test against India. [30:46.440 --> 30:47.440] They did it against New Zealand. [30:47.440 --> 30:50.440] They've done it in Pakistan on, on those flat tracks. [30:50.440 --> 30:54.440] It's, it's, it can't be strategy to say we play badly in the first [30:54.440 --> 30:55.440] innings. [30:55.440 --> 30:57.440] So that will chase a great total in the final innings and will do [30:57.440 --> 30:58.440] something. [30:58.440 --> 31:00.440] I don't think it's strategy and I'm certainly not defending it. [31:00.440 --> 31:02.440] I don't want to be perceived as that way. [31:02.440 --> 31:03.440] But I think it's, it's an approach. [31:03.440 --> 31:04.440] Right? [31:04.440 --> 31:06.440] The goal being like we're not daunted by 399. [31:06.440 --> 31:09.440] We're not going to defend it out and try to take the game into the [31:09.440 --> 31:10.440] fifth day. [31:10.440 --> 31:11.440] That's not the approach. [31:11.440 --> 31:13.440] Which is, they've been old school cricketing test cricketing [31:13.440 --> 31:14.440] logic for years. [31:14.440 --> 31:18.440] But how did you react to the Rehan Ahmad get sent out at three? [31:18.440 --> 31:23.440] And you basically the, again, the moral statements to me, [31:23.440 --> 31:25.440] he said he's not going out as a night watch when he's a great [31:25.440 --> 31:26.440] badder. [31:26.440 --> 31:28.440] We said, I mean, you set him out with like three overs left out [31:28.440 --> 31:29.440] in the third day. [31:29.440 --> 31:32.440] When Ollie Pup has batted at three, all three innings before this. [31:32.440 --> 31:33.440] Of course, he's a night watchman. [31:33.440 --> 31:35.440] But this is still, this is all part of it. [31:35.440 --> 31:36.440] Right? [31:36.440 --> 31:38.440] This is all part of the, of the, I mean, I thought it was a [31:38.440 --> 31:39.440] great move. [31:39.440 --> 31:43.440] I would, I genuinely thought it was a great move because again, [31:43.440 --> 31:45.440] it's about a mindset and attitude. [31:45.440 --> 31:47.440] It's about motivating the troops. [31:47.440 --> 31:48.440] Right? [31:48.440 --> 31:50.440] So you just take out risks. [31:50.440 --> 31:53.440] Now you can flip it and say Ollie Pup could have come out and [31:53.440 --> 31:56.440] hit 25 runs and three overs and that would motivate the [31:56.440 --> 31:57.440] troops. [31:57.440 --> 31:58.440] Okay. [31:58.440 --> 31:59.440] But let's just be realistic. [31:59.440 --> 32:00.440] Right? [32:00.440 --> 32:02.440] You're just trying to limit your risk. [32:02.440 --> 32:05.440] And I thought it was a great move and I didn't know Rehan could [32:05.440 --> 32:08.440] bat, but I think he did decently well. [32:08.440 --> 32:09.440] I saw him today morning. [32:09.440 --> 32:10.440] Great. [32:10.440 --> 32:13.440] He was like, you know, at one point, you're like, if this guy gets [32:13.440 --> 32:17.440] another 20 runs and then you, you know, the whole thing starts [32:17.440 --> 32:19.440] downwards by the, so. [32:19.440 --> 32:23.440] So at the end of it, I mean, Zach Crawley had it well again. [32:23.440 --> 32:26.440] Everybody actually accepted 10 and 11 made double digits, but [32:26.440 --> 32:27.440] nobody was able to go on. [32:27.440 --> 32:28.440] So I have to give full credit. [32:28.440 --> 32:31.440] I didn't mention him in the first innings, but cool DPI then [32:31.440 --> 32:34.440] was becoming kind of like the driving to such in for me where [32:34.440 --> 32:36.440] he's always picking up two or three weeks, but not. [32:36.440 --> 32:38.440] There's only somebody taking more. [32:38.440 --> 32:40.440] So you ignore him, but he bought absolutely brilliantly in [32:40.440 --> 32:41.440] the first innings. [32:41.440 --> 32:44.440] Ash then who actually had the first time, I don't remember [32:44.440 --> 32:47.440] the stat, but the first time in a very long time, maybe ever, [32:47.440 --> 32:50.440] that 10 wickets have fallen in innings in India and Ash didn't [32:50.440 --> 32:54.440] become a single one, which is, which is quite telling. [32:54.440 --> 32:55.440] But came back. [32:55.440 --> 32:56.440] Great, great response. [32:56.440 --> 32:58.440] Three wickets in the second innings. [32:58.440 --> 33:01.440] And ultimately England got 292 all out, you know, a nice little [33:01.440 --> 33:02.440] surge at the end. [33:02.440 --> 33:06.440] I think the batting deep holds a lot of value to Tom Hardley's [33:06.440 --> 33:09.440] proving again, he's the second highest we could take her in the [33:09.440 --> 33:10.440] series so far, DJ after. [33:10.440 --> 33:12.440] Momra, he's only behind by one. [33:12.440 --> 33:16.440] So overall, I mean, less than a 106 run victory is great. [33:16.440 --> 33:21.440] Four days, pitch played well, kind of survived well as a whole. [33:21.440 --> 33:24.440] And some broader existential questions as you will. [33:24.440 --> 33:26.440] So DJ, you started about him a little bit, but we got a [33:26.440 --> 33:30.440] question in from the falling sweep on, on X or Twitter regarding [33:30.440 --> 33:32.440] Mukesh Kumar, right? [33:32.440 --> 33:35.440] What should his template be to be successful on Indian wickets [33:35.440 --> 33:37.440] when I'm kind of with a pitch that doesn't suit his primary [33:37.440 --> 33:38.440] skill set? [33:38.440 --> 33:41.440] And I brought that a little to be like, did, as you look back [33:41.440 --> 33:43.440] was that a miss, was that a mister? [33:43.440 --> 33:47.440] So I would have, I think it was, I think I would have played [33:47.440 --> 33:51.440] Washington's under instead, because it, it, it, with the absence [33:51.440 --> 33:56.440] of Jadeja, I think it, it would effectively, you'd strengthen [33:56.440 --> 33:59.440] your batting with enough of the bowling, but you'd basically [33:59.440 --> 34:01.440] replace the rage with another spinner. [34:01.440 --> 34:05.440] And Mukesh was a passenger completely on this, in this game. [34:05.440 --> 34:08.440] It was, he picked up a week, I think in the second, and he picked [34:08.440 --> 34:12.440] up like one, I think he got heartily or one of the guys right [34:12.440 --> 34:13.440] at the end. [34:13.440 --> 34:16.440] And he celebrated because he obviously frustrated, but it's [34:16.440 --> 34:20.440] not, unless you can swing it like booby, you're not going to be [34:20.440 --> 34:21.440] effective in those conditions. [34:21.440 --> 34:23.440] And he has swing and see, but he doesn't have as much. [34:23.440 --> 34:26.440] He doesn't have prodigious swing and see. [34:26.440 --> 34:29.440] So, yeah, I think he, he's struggling. [34:29.440 --> 34:32.440] He's also like middling pages, not, like Shami is a bit quicker [34:32.440 --> 34:34.440] with a bit more movement. [34:34.440 --> 34:38.440] So I think Mukesh will struggle on Indian tracks to be honest. [34:38.440 --> 34:40.440] He's a handful in, in South Africa. [34:40.440 --> 34:43.440] So he'll be a handful in, in England if we go there and play [34:43.440 --> 34:44.440] four simmers. [34:44.440 --> 34:46.440] Also, he doesn't have any contribute with the bat. [34:46.440 --> 34:49.440] So that doesn't really help his case. [34:49.440 --> 34:52.440] I think you've got to break your back in India. [34:52.440 --> 34:56.440] And like, if the most successful fastball in India, I think is [34:56.440 --> 34:57.440] Umay Siyadov. [34:57.440 --> 35:00.440] I was wondering, how does that get pulled? [35:00.440 --> 35:01.440] I mean, how does that get pulled? [35:01.440 --> 35:06.440] He just comes in like a bull and just breaks his back [35:06.440 --> 35:08.440] every delivery. [35:08.440 --> 35:10.440] And that's what you need. [35:10.440 --> 35:14.440] Do you really need the skill of Bumra or the kind of work, [35:14.440 --> 35:17.440] the kind of power of Umay Siyadov? [35:17.440 --> 35:19.440] Yeah, so I mean, for, for bowling stats in India, [35:19.440 --> 35:22.440] in terms of matches by, by long distance, if you just look at [35:22.440 --> 35:24.440] average, the best quick is Bumra. [35:24.440 --> 35:27.440] Cold close, I mean, not close, but second is Momma Chami. [35:27.440 --> 35:30.440] And then you will get to Umay Siyadov, who is in the Java [35:30.440 --> 35:31.440] Galtrinath range. [35:31.440 --> 35:34.440] And then you have the next tier, the Irfan Patan, [35:34.440 --> 35:36.440] Sahir Khan, in Shashan Sharma who are behind that. [35:36.440 --> 35:37.440] So, so you're right for it. [35:37.440 --> 35:39.440] I think there's something we said for Umay Siyadov [35:39.440 --> 35:42.440] holding style that, you know, I know, to the same point you [35:42.440 --> 35:45.440] made, I don't want to judge a guy off of one, one opportunity, [35:45.440 --> 35:49.440] but it just didn't seem like it was, it just didn't seem like [35:49.440 --> 35:51.440] he was there, he was making a high impact. [35:51.440 --> 35:53.440] Let me keep going down to some of the, some of the other [35:53.440 --> 35:54.440] questions we've got. [35:54.440 --> 35:57.440] No, but, sorry, do we talk about the Ben Stokes comment on [35:57.440 --> 35:58.440] DRS by the way? [35:58.440 --> 35:59.440] No. [35:59.440 --> 36:01.440] I don't know whether you've been awake long enough to pick me up. [36:01.440 --> 36:05.440] I mean, Ben Stokes said that the technology failed on the, [36:05.440 --> 36:08.440] the technology got the wrong decision on the exact [36:08.440 --> 36:09.440] technology. [36:09.440 --> 36:10.440] Yeah, sure. [36:10.440 --> 36:12.440] I'm not, I'm not, I'm not here to engage. [36:12.440 --> 36:16.440] I mean, it's just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm [36:16.440 --> 36:18.440] truly disgusted that it happened. [36:18.440 --> 36:22.440] I'm actually glad that at my times when I woke up and, yeah, [36:22.440 --> 36:24.440] I'm just, I'm just, I'm really disgusted. [36:24.440 --> 36:25.440] Modern victory, dude. [36:25.440 --> 36:26.440] Yeah. [36:26.440 --> 36:27.440] Sorry about it. [36:27.440 --> 36:28.440] Modern victories. [36:28.440 --> 36:29.440] Let me, let me pivot and ask you. [36:29.440 --> 36:34.440] So, at number eight, I guess, so seven, we had K.S. [36:34.440 --> 36:37.440] Bharat playing in the skin movement, 17 in the first innings, [36:37.440 --> 36:38.440] in the second innings. [36:38.440 --> 36:41.440] And so a couple of questions have come in on, on Twitter, A, from [36:41.440 --> 36:42.440] Shobham Joshi. [36:42.440 --> 36:43.440] He's K.S. [36:43.440 --> 36:46.440] Bharat's skillful enough to be included in the playing level as a [36:46.440 --> 36:48.440] specialist, and not a skillful matchman. [36:48.440 --> 36:51.440] If not, when should Dhruv, Dhruv Dhruv would be given a chance [36:51.440 --> 36:57.440] and kind of link to that at Moriarty Jim 100 or Jim Moriarty has said, [36:57.440 --> 36:59.440] please address the wicked issue of wicked keepers. [36:59.440 --> 37:03.440] Does the absence of fun take us back to 2000 to 2004 era where [37:03.440 --> 37:05.440] musical chairs was going on with keepers? [37:06.440 --> 37:07.440] Okay. [37:07.440 --> 37:10.440] I'm trying to question one word answer. [37:10.440 --> 37:12.440] Should Bharat be there? [37:12.440 --> 37:13.440] No. [37:13.440 --> 37:15.440] When should Purell come in? [37:15.440 --> 37:16.440] Yesterday. [37:16.440 --> 37:22.440] And is this a, is this a fun issue in going back to 2000 to [37:22.440 --> 37:23.440] 2004? [37:23.440 --> 37:24.440] Yes, absolutely. [37:24.440 --> 37:28.440] There's, there was that guy who was just set at number five or six, [37:28.440 --> 37:31.440] depending on the math situation in your team. [37:31.440 --> 37:36.440] So with his absence, you've had this whole, it's actually that [37:36.440 --> 37:39.440] comment that came in was very well said, right? [37:39.440 --> 37:43.440] Because you've now got Rahul keeping an overseas test, but he's [37:43.440 --> 37:44.440] not good enough for India. [37:44.440 --> 37:49.440] And I don't think maybe out of 40 wicked, Bharat has contributed [37:49.440 --> 37:53.440] to two or three, like, I think he's better keeper don't get me wrong. [37:53.440 --> 37:55.440] But you've picked Rahul overseas. [37:55.440 --> 37:58.440] You've not, you don't think he's good enough at home. [37:58.440 --> 38:02.440] Then you've banned his hard kitchen or whatever these rumors are, [38:02.440 --> 38:04.440] because he had mental health issues. [38:04.440 --> 38:06.440] And I mean, I did this article yesterday. [38:06.440 --> 38:07.440] I'm pretty sure it's fake news. [38:07.440 --> 38:11.440] But I did the article that said he had asked for a break from [38:11.440 --> 38:12.440] mental health reasons. [38:12.440 --> 38:16.440] And then the management saw him partying with Dhoni and stuff [38:16.440 --> 38:17.440] and Dubai. [38:17.440 --> 38:18.440] And then they got upset. [38:18.440 --> 38:20.440] I mean, firstly, it's his call, right? [38:20.440 --> 38:23.440] How he gets over his fatigue or his mental. [38:23.440 --> 38:29.440] It's not for you to decide how he decides to let his head out [38:29.440 --> 38:30.440] or whatever. [38:30.440 --> 38:31.440] I think that's ridiculous. [38:31.440 --> 38:32.440] But I think that's fake. [38:32.440 --> 38:34.440] I think that's a bigger problem. [38:34.440 --> 38:38.440] But kitchen is not going to be in the scene. [38:38.440 --> 38:43.440] Bharat is trained to be the next best keeper, but cannot bat. [38:43.440 --> 38:45.440] I don't know. [38:45.440 --> 38:46.440] It's just musical chairs. [38:46.440 --> 38:47.440] I don't know what's going on. [38:47.440 --> 38:48.440] I think it's a big, big problem. [38:48.440 --> 38:51.440] I would just rather have Rahul keep, because I think he's doing [38:51.440 --> 38:52.440] a great job in the middle order. [38:52.440 --> 38:54.440] Get him to focus a bit more on the keeping. [38:54.440 --> 38:56.440] But it's a disaster. [38:56.440 --> 38:59.440] DJ, you and I talked about this a little and they made the [38:59.440 --> 39:01.440] announcement before the series, even. [39:01.440 --> 39:02.440] That Bharat will keep. [39:02.440 --> 39:03.440] Was that tactical? [39:03.440 --> 39:05.440] Was that how do you approach it? [39:05.440 --> 39:08.440] So I have no qualms about Bharat being a good keeper. [39:08.440 --> 39:11.440] I think he took a fantastic catch, almost like Riddi Pobs, [39:11.440 --> 39:14.440] when he took that bent bucket catch in the second and it was great. [39:14.440 --> 39:16.440] He's exactly like Riddi Pobs. [39:16.440 --> 39:17.440] That's my issue. [39:17.440 --> 39:18.440] He was great. [39:18.440 --> 39:20.440] Like he's not the same. [39:20.440 --> 39:25.440] Why are you solving the batters whose job it is to bat them [39:25.440 --> 39:27.440] failing by kicking the wicked keeper out? [39:27.440 --> 39:29.440] No, that's not the right thing. [39:29.440 --> 39:31.440] You don't have a specialized role. [39:31.440 --> 39:32.440] Like we could keep her anymore. [39:32.440 --> 39:34.440] I said this a little bit. [39:34.440 --> 39:35.440] Last week. [39:35.440 --> 39:36.440] I mean, Ben Fox is. [39:36.440 --> 39:37.440] I don't think he was bad. [39:37.440 --> 39:38.440] I don't think they have anyone. [39:38.440 --> 39:39.440] Yeah. [39:39.440 --> 39:42.440] But Ben Fox being the example, why not here. [39:42.440 --> 39:44.440] Bharat out is very bad in my opinion. [39:44.440 --> 39:47.440] Listen, I think a wicked keeper is an all round position. [39:47.440 --> 39:49.440] I don't think there's any two ways about it. [39:49.440 --> 39:51.440] Whether it should be or not, you can debate. [39:51.440 --> 39:52.440] But in today's model. [39:52.440 --> 39:53.440] But now it is. [39:53.440 --> 39:55.440] But is Dhruv Jirail a proper wicked keeper? [39:55.440 --> 39:57.440] It's really a batter who can keep. [39:57.440 --> 39:59.440] Like Rahul would be. [39:59.440 --> 40:00.440] Or Kishan would be. [40:00.440 --> 40:03.440] So I think the debate is grown up keeping, right? [40:03.440 --> 40:04.440] That's different. [40:04.440 --> 40:05.440] Or Dhoni grew up keeping. [40:05.440 --> 40:09.440] But the debate is, would you rather have a proper wicked keeper who can bat a little [40:09.440 --> 40:10.440] or maybe can't bat? [40:10.440 --> 40:12.440] Or would you rather have a batter who can keep a little? [40:12.440 --> 40:13.440] Like that's the balance. [40:13.440 --> 40:14.440] It's the debate. [40:14.440 --> 40:16.440] I mean Rahul's USP is not keeping, right? [40:16.440 --> 40:20.440] But Kishan and Dhruv, they are keepers. [40:20.440 --> 40:23.440] Like Rahul is a batsman who can keep. [40:23.440 --> 40:25.440] Like Rahul, Dhruv was a batsman who can keep. [40:25.440 --> 40:29.440] But I don't think there's any doubt about Kishan and Dhruv in my opinion. [40:29.440 --> 40:32.440] I mean we're just waiting for a boy. [40:32.440 --> 40:35.440] Yeah, I mean that belief document. [40:35.440 --> 40:36.440] Take your time. [40:36.440 --> 40:38.440] Just be back by December by what? [40:38.440 --> 40:40.440] December 15th, 16th this year. [40:40.440 --> 40:42.440] I think just be back by then. [40:42.440 --> 40:43.440] Take your time before that. [40:43.440 --> 40:46.440] And just take us straight into the World Test Championship final at Lord's. [40:46.440 --> 40:48.440] I mean score 100 there. [40:48.440 --> 40:51.440] That would be some sort of a comeback. [40:51.440 --> 40:54.440] Oh man, feels fine. [40:54.440 --> 40:56.440] I mean we are 1-1 at home. [40:56.440 --> 40:59.440] So that is really the next level. [40:59.440 --> 41:01.440] We won the World. [41:01.440 --> 41:03.440] Yeah, but where are we on the World Test Championship table now? [41:03.440 --> 41:05.440] I shouldn't update it as last week. [41:05.440 --> 41:06.440] We were number 5 or something. [41:06.440 --> 41:07.440] Yeah. [41:07.440 --> 41:08.440] You must have gone back up now. [41:08.440 --> 41:10.440] I haven't seen the updated table as of this morning. [41:10.440 --> 41:12.440] But I want to move to the next match. [41:12.440 --> 41:14.440] And really quickly as we have to wrap here. [41:14.440 --> 41:15.440] What? [41:15.440 --> 41:18.440] As we go to Rajkot next, right? [41:18.440 --> 41:20.440] Two test matches there in history. [41:20.440 --> 41:22.440] 2016 against England was a draw. [41:22.440 --> 41:25.440] And 2018 against West Indies and innings. [41:25.440 --> 41:28.440] And 272 run victory, right? [41:28.440 --> 41:29.440] So the last time we drew here, [41:29.440 --> 41:31.440] England batted first. [41:31.440 --> 41:32.440] Jorruk made a century. [41:32.440 --> 41:33.440] Moin made a century. [41:33.440 --> 41:34.440] Ben Stokes made a century. [41:34.440 --> 41:36.440] Morily Vijay then made a century. [41:36.440 --> 41:38.440] Bhajara made a century. [41:39.440 --> 41:40.440] So pretty flat. [41:40.440 --> 41:41.440] We flat cut a bang track. [41:41.440 --> 41:42.440] What do you expect with Bumra, [41:42.440 --> 41:46.440] especially potentially being looked at for to be rested? [41:46.440 --> 41:48.440] Do you think they just go in and they say, [41:48.440 --> 41:51.440] well, one match, make a surrender because we don't have a coin? [41:51.440 --> 41:53.440] No, I haven't read the Bumra thing. [41:53.440 --> 41:58.440] I think if this is as flat as you're reading it to be, [41:58.440 --> 42:00.440] I think Bumra will play. [42:00.440 --> 42:05.440] But yeah, I think England, if they have a shot at getting to two, [42:06.440 --> 42:08.440] I think it's in this third test. [42:08.440 --> 42:11.440] They've got some time to go to Abu Dhabi and do whatever they need to. [42:11.440 --> 42:15.440] They're going to come back on a weekend that they drew in last time. [42:15.440 --> 42:18.440] And the previous one, according to your status, was flat. [42:18.440 --> 42:22.440] I think they're going to give themselves their best shot of getting to two one [42:22.440 --> 42:24.440] in this next test. [42:24.440 --> 42:27.440] DJ, if you're either side, what do you change going into Rajko? [42:27.440 --> 42:28.440] Well, after a 10 day gap, [42:28.440 --> 42:30.440] where apparently England's going to Abu Dhabi. [42:30.440 --> 42:34.440] I mean, the conventional wisdom for India would have been [42:34.440 --> 42:37.440] not to change their lineup because they've won, right? [42:37.440 --> 42:39.440] I think they need to think about that Mukesh spot. [42:39.440 --> 42:41.440] I don't think they'll change the batting. [42:41.440 --> 42:43.440] I don't think they'll change the keeper realistically. [42:43.440 --> 42:45.440] They've won. [42:45.440 --> 42:49.440] And if they didn't change, Bharata, after they lost it, Hyderabad, [42:49.440 --> 42:51.440] he played an OK knock in the second. [42:51.440 --> 42:52.440] I don't think it's in danger. [42:52.440 --> 42:54.440] Mukesh, that spot's going to be interesting. [42:54.440 --> 42:57.440] Who's going to come and take that spot is what I want to watch. [42:57.440 --> 43:00.440] There's no news on Coley coming back, which is unfortunate. [43:00.440 --> 43:02.440] There's no news on Jadeja or Rahul either. [43:02.440 --> 43:04.440] Maybe that'll change in the next 10 days. [43:04.440 --> 43:05.440] We don't know. [43:05.440 --> 43:07.440] The rumor is that, without Coley, he's having a second child. [43:07.440 --> 43:09.440] Apparently, AB de Villiers let that slip on. [43:09.440 --> 43:11.440] That's a bit of a take. [43:11.440 --> 43:15.440] That's like, I mean, like, they haven't said anything to anyone. [43:15.440 --> 43:16.440] And then AB... [43:16.440 --> 43:17.440] I'm hoping it was just a complete act. [43:17.440 --> 43:20.440] Let's... AB tells everyone about the baby. [43:23.440 --> 43:24.440] There it is. [43:24.440 --> 43:27.440] That's the line you're going to clip and put on social media for this episode. [43:27.440 --> 43:28.440] Yeah. [43:28.440 --> 43:30.440] But England, Jimmy Anderson, [43:30.440 --> 43:31.440] outstanding. [43:31.440 --> 43:35.440] He, the 41 years old, bold Rohit Sharma, neck and crop. [43:35.440 --> 43:36.440] I mean, fantastic. [43:36.440 --> 43:39.440] I don't see England actually changing anything either. [43:39.440 --> 43:41.440] They'll play this. [43:41.440 --> 43:43.440] I mean, Lee Chiffee comes back. [43:43.440 --> 43:46.440] Maybe we'll come back in instead of, I'd say probably Bashir. [43:46.440 --> 43:51.440] But other than that, the 10 days will be enough for Jimmy to recover. [43:51.440 --> 43:53.440] He looks a class apart from what I mean. [43:53.440 --> 43:57.440] Like, who's a good bowler, but 41 years old. [43:57.440 --> 44:03.440] Annoying that it is, you still have to give him the respect that whatever 600 test wickets deserves, 590. [44:03.440 --> 44:04.440] Yeah. [44:04.440 --> 44:07.440] And one more for Ash to get to 590. [44:07.440 --> 44:11.440] You would have hoped he got it this much, but we'll have to wait one more minute. [44:11.440 --> 44:12.440] Guys, this has been fun. [44:12.440 --> 44:13.440] It's been great. [44:13.440 --> 44:18.440] It's always interesting and cathartic to come on and chat with you guys after a loss, [44:18.440 --> 44:20.440] but it's fun to chat after a win. [44:20.440 --> 44:24.440] For all the English fans who reached out to us after the first loss, let's make sure we reach back up. [44:24.440 --> 44:29.440] Oh, I got so many messages at work about this test match. [44:29.440 --> 44:31.440] And I just said, we'll talk in March. [44:31.440 --> 44:33.440] There's a long way to go, guys. [44:33.440 --> 44:34.440] Let's talk in March. [44:34.440 --> 44:36.440] Five matches is a long time. [44:36.440 --> 44:39.440] 10-day break, Rajko, Rachi, and Dharmchal are the follows. [44:39.440 --> 44:40.440] It's going to be fascinating. [44:40.440 --> 44:42.440] Gents, thank you all for joining. [44:42.440 --> 44:45.440] Thank you, everybody, who sent us in questions in advance on Twitter. [44:45.440 --> 44:51.440] We will be posting this on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts at one to one hand on all the social medias. [44:51.440 --> 44:52.440] Send us in your questions. [44:52.440 --> 44:53.440] Send us your YouTube comments. [44:53.440 --> 44:55.440] We'd love to hear from them, even when you're criticizing us. [44:55.440 --> 44:56.440] It's fun to hear. [44:56.440 --> 44:58.440] We like to learn and try to get better every time. [44:58.440 --> 45:02.440] So thank you, everybody, if you're on YouTube hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. [45:02.440 --> 45:05.440] And we'll be back to talk more about the rest of this five-night series [45:05.440 --> 45:07.440] and the rest of the world of the cricket. [45:07.440 --> 45:08.440] Lots happened this week. [45:08.440 --> 45:11.440] We didn't get to it, but we will talk it when we're back next week. [45:11.440 --> 45:13.440] This has been the Eddison's Learn to Screen podcast. [45:13.440 --> 45:14.440] Thank you for joining us. [45:21.440 --> 45:22.440] Thank you. Transcription results written to '/home/forge/transcribe3.sonicengage.com/releases/20240205231104' directory
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