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[00:03:38] Mm, nachos. Oh, I'm feeling it, my friend. I am feeling it. How's Santa Fe?

[00:03:47] If you're watching on YouTube, you can see my background. Unless there's way too much light

[00:03:52] and it's like oversaturating, but there are mountains behind me. I mean, it is fucking

[00:03:57] crazy. And guess where I'm going tomorrow? Guess. Is it New Mexico somewhere? Big Nose Kate

[00:04:02] Distillery is here in Santa Fe. So actually hooked up with Mel, their CEO, and she's

[00:04:09] actually hooking us up. So we're going to go over half a few drinks and check it out. So big

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[00:04:19] got the t-shirt. Yeah. What'd you got going on? Good stuff. So I could maybe one up that.

[00:04:24] I'm going to the Kentucky Derby this weekend. So most- You have a hat. No hat. I'm not

[00:04:31] going to show up my wife. She's got some headgear apparently, but I do have some fun

[00:04:36] suits. Maybe I'll post some of those on LinkedIn for listeners. Definitely show up on Facebook.

[00:04:41] If you follow me there, I've got- Oh yeah. Friday is the Oaks, which is I think the younger

[00:04:46] Phillies, the younger horses. So I have a pink suit with horses on it. And then for the

[00:04:51] Derby, I have like a powder blue polka dot kind of thing going on. So it's good stuff.

[00:04:58] So I've been to the Derby a lot of times. I'm from the area, but it's always been the

[00:05:02] infield, which is basically just drunks and foobies everywhere. Pretty much NASCAR for

[00:05:08] horse racing. Yes. Yes. We're classing it up this year. We spent a little cabbage

[00:05:13] and we're going to do it right. So I'm excited for that. I can't get too messed up though,

[00:05:17] because we got Vegas in our future, which we will get to in the latter segment of this,

[00:05:24] but let's get to- Shout out. My first shout out. Here it goes. Goes to Deceibo. Have no

[00:05:29] clue who this fucking company is. But anyway, they were sending the following email out to people

[00:05:35] who are attending Unleash next week. Quote, Deceibo is heading over to Vegas for Unleash

[00:05:41] from May 7th to May 9th. And we're hosting an exclusive private breakfast with Josh Burson on

[00:05:48] May 8th. Here's the link to register if you're in to hear from the Taylor Swift of HR. Yes,

[00:05:56] they called Josh Burson the Taylor Swift of HR. What the actual fuck? I mean, have they never

[00:06:02] heard of truth in advertising for God's sakes? What the hell? The only thing they have in common

[00:06:07] is maybe body weight. He's a slight man for sure, but- He's a little guy. Yeah. He's a

[00:06:13] little guy. Wow. That's a stretch. The Taylor Swift. Oh my God. I got nothing.

[00:06:18] Doesn't anyone notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Ridiculous. All right. I'm

[00:06:22] going to shout out to our friends at Hiring Branch straight out of Montreal in Canada. As

[00:06:27] you might remember, in January, the wife and I went up, took a train to Montreal, went to a

[00:06:32] Canadian's hockey game, much to Serres, Boudreaux, angst. And they had ordered us

[00:06:39] jerseys, but they're nice jerseys, custom names and everything. And they hadn't come

[00:06:44] in yet. Now the jerseys, this is socialism for you. The jerseys are ready three or four

[00:06:50] months or five months after I visited. So these are awesome. Yours is like white,

[00:06:56] official jersey with Chad and mine is cheese on the back. I got the red jersey. Now I don't

[00:07:01] know how douchey it is to have Chad on your jersey. That's kind of funny, but you don't

[00:07:06] give a shit. But yes, Hiring Branch. Thank you, Canadians, such nice, kind people. And

[00:07:12] we appreciate it. So shout out to the folks at Hiring Branch. Love us some Hiring Branch. And

[00:07:17] now I can't skate. I cannot ice skate, especially backwards. That's just not happening.

[00:07:21] My next shout out to my sport, the NFL and the NFL draft. So getting to see these young

[00:07:27] men start their professional journey they've dreamed about for, I mean, since they've been

[00:07:31] little kids is just so awesome. And I wanted to share a couple of the press conference

[00:07:36] interviews. So the first one is Xavier Leggott, who was drafted by the Carolina Panthers.

[00:07:44] Check this out. I'm gonna cry. It's awesome. You might, you might, you might. It's okay.

[00:07:47] There we go. Woke up a Carolina Panther this morning. Did you have to pinch yourself a

[00:07:50] little bit? Oh no, no, man. I woke up ready. I got a call right after I got jettied. He was

[00:07:55] coming to pick me up at nine thirty in the morning. I told him I'm going to be ready.

[00:08:02] I told him I'm going to be ready. Okay. And then the second one, that one went viral on

[00:08:08] the socials and so did this one. This one's Keon Coleman, who was drafted by the Buffalo

[00:08:13] Bills. You forgot what this school in Michigan for two years? Guess why I got this room though?

[00:08:18] I'm saying you gotta guess. You're gonna be wrong though, but guess.

[00:08:23] Nah, Mrs. What you mean? They be on sale on the on the rack all the colors. Look, 79, 89.

[00:08:33] Nice little deal. You get the trench coat for like a hundred dollars. I take it up personally.

[00:08:38] I might go get some more colors. I need a blue one and another red one.

[00:08:42] Oh my God, dude. I freaking love it. I love it. These kids again, I call them kids. I mean,

[00:08:50] they're young men. But I mean, you can just see how happy they are. I mean, they're just it's

[00:08:56] amazing. I can't tell you how many of these draft videos I've watched on TikTok. I just

[00:09:01] can't tell you. So anyway, shout out to the NFL draft and these kids starting the journey

[00:09:05] in their professional career. And this is talent, man.

[00:09:09] Yeah. Those moments will be fleeting with NIL money. So these are kids that like have no money

[00:09:16] group and probably really tough circumstances and now they've made it. With NIL money,

[00:09:20] a lot of these kids are going to be making money and then going into the NFL. So these

[00:09:24] sort of magical moments I fear will be fleeting with a lot of people.

[00:09:28] This will be the last time, the last time that you actually see them literally come

[00:09:32] bright eyed, bushy tailed to a press conference from now on. They're going to be trained. I mean,

[00:09:38] they're going to go through training in the NFL to pretty much just go by the company line.

[00:09:42] Right? So this is like the last time we actually get to see them as real human beings

[00:09:46] in a good way. Heartwarming, heartwarming. And they'll also probably get a girlfriend,

[00:09:51] a real girlfriend. My shout out goes to AI girlfriends, which have made quite a ruckus

[00:09:56] on the internets this week. Apparently, Meta, Instagram, other social media sites are flooded

[00:10:04] now with AI girlfriend apps asking you to download and get a girlfriend. She's not

[00:10:09] a real person, but hey, for a lot of people that's okay. Now the problem is the real women,

[00:10:14] the only fans, millionaires, they can't advertise on Facebook, Meta and Instagram

[00:10:21] because it's trafficking their laws around it. If it's not a real person, you can do it. So it's

[00:10:26] quite an uproar. The real ladies out there can't get their time in the sun on your Facebook feed.

[00:10:33] So shout out to the AI girlfriends out there. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Shout out

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[00:10:57] That's right. I think I heard you say plum. So that leads me to click yes.

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[00:11:43] his birthday. And those other people that are celebrating another trip around the sun this week

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[00:11:55] Keegan Osipek, Stefan Jean, Sarah Addison, Bennett Sung, JT O'Donnell, aka the mouth of

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[00:12:10] and one of our favorites, I think it's fair to say Joe Shaker, celebrating a birthday.

[00:12:15] Happy birthday!

[00:12:18] Joey Shaker, that's awesome.

[00:12:19] By the way, I think he's good on betting the over on the Bears this coming year.

[00:12:24] I think it's eight and a half right now. The weapons they've added, I think that's an over

[00:12:29] for me just FYI.

[00:12:31] A lot of weapons that they added and a lot of work for a lot of rookies. So yeah,

[00:12:36] and not to mention a rookie in the most important position being quarterback who touches the ball

[00:12:41] on every offensive play. So good luck, man. It's going to be interesting.

[00:12:45] I love his shade of nail polish, by the way. Good fashion sense on the nail polish.

[00:12:49] I love a guy who is not afraid to show who he is.

[00:12:53] Totally secure in his manhood. Totally secure in his manhood.

[00:12:56] Yes, which you will be doing next week at Unleash.

[00:12:59] I won't be secure in my manhood jumping off the strat, trust me.

[00:13:03] We're going to Unleash America in Vegas on the 7th. We will be jumping off the stratosphere with

[00:13:09] Matt Bauer. That's right, Matt Bauer, the CEO of outhire.ai. You might see it here, kids.

[00:13:16] It's an over 850 foot drop and we're going to be joined by Josh Gample, Josh Ramsey,

[00:13:23] Serge Bourgeault, Joel Laggoli, Jason Putnam, Michelle Meehan and Russ Weaver.

[00:13:30] Then later that night, we're hopping over to the minus five bar for Omar's Ice Castle.

[00:13:35] That's on the 7th. That's right, baby. For Jopixel, we're going to be basking in the

[00:13:40] neon glow at the neon boneyard with our friends from Plum for neon nights.

[00:13:46] Now come see us when we're at Unleash and who knows there are a few passes that Joel

[00:13:53] and I have. We might be able to get you into that one. It is already locked down,

[00:13:57] but Joel and I have a couple of free passes. So if you hit us right, you might get something.

[00:14:04] Then we're going to Scotland for true Glasgow and true Edinburgh.

[00:14:09] Welcome to all things Scottish. Our slogan is if it's no Scottish, it's crap.

[00:14:14] And guess who's joining us in Scotland, Joel? It's a long list of Scottish players.

[00:14:18] Oh yeah, they're all over the place. Plus Matt Alder. Yep. This is going to be a recruiting

[00:14:24] future in Ched and Cheese Joint, which is going to be a blast. May 21st at the Revolution

[00:14:29] de Cuba in Glasgow. May 23rd, the Three Sisters Bar in Edinburgh. We already have some great

[00:14:37] practitioners that are lined up to be track leaders from PayPal, Lloyd's of London,

[00:14:42] Diageo, ENY, AMS, Brooks Automation. The Scottish government is going to show up and

[00:14:48] several more. So register for one or even both events at truescotland.com. That's true without

[00:14:55] the E-T-R-U, scotland.com. Thanks to all the sponsors. Gotta love these sponsors

[00:15:00] because they're making this happen. Daxter, Ashby, Solutions Driven, gigged.ai, Willow,

[00:15:07] and Poetry. That's right. Ched and Cheese meets recruiting future in Scotland at true

[00:15:12] Glasgow and true Edinburgh. Don't miss it. Very cool. So you said the government's

[00:15:17] going to be there? Yes, the government's going to be there. Scottish government's going to be there.

[00:15:20] Are we sure Stephen McGrath doesn't have any warrants out for his arrest? Is it safe

[00:15:25] for him to be around government officials? I got nothing, dude. I don't know. He probably

[00:15:31] has some contacts within the government. Adam probably has some get out of jail free cards

[00:15:36] for Stephen as part of his employment. By the way, talk about those that are lightweight,

[00:15:42] Taylor Swift style. I'm a little worried about Serres jumping out of the strat.

[00:15:45] Are we sure that he's heavy enough to make it to the bottom and he's not just going to like

[00:15:50] fly around like a whirly bird from a tree? Anyway, we'll let him go first. We'll let him

[00:15:56] go first. First or last. One of the two. One of the first or last. You're the first or last,

[00:16:00] Serres. If you ain't first, you're last, baby.

[00:16:07] All right, Chad, we got some breaking news that happened about 10 minutes before we

[00:16:11] got on the air. Sources are telling us that Hired.com effectively shut down this week,

[00:16:17] laid off the entire team and said they're rolling the product into LHH,

[00:16:22] which is a global business unit of the Adecco Group. In case you missed it,

[00:16:25] Hired had raised $133 million before being acquired by Vetery, which was acquired by Adecco

[00:16:33] in 2018 for a reported $100 million. Hired founded in 2012 with a great deal of fanfare.

[00:16:41] Its height was worth $500 million. Again, Hired.com shutting down. If you go to their site,

[00:16:49] it's pretty clear that's over. If you're looking to poach some people, check out those

[00:16:53] hired profiles on LinkedIn because there's some people that are probably looking for a job

[00:16:57] next week. Again, over and over and over. There should be an organization who understands the

[00:17:02] business of recruiting and that's staffing. But Adecco, obviously they didn't know what the

[00:17:06] fuck they're doing. AMS with hourly, right? And Ronstadt with Monster. Those are just three,

[00:17:13] okay? I mean these are companies who understand the business of recruiting,

[00:17:17] of staffing, right? But apparently they have no fucking clue what to do and or how to

[00:17:22] productize and sell product. I don't get it. I really don't.

[00:17:27] Soterios Johnson And we've said it before,

[00:17:29] companies go out of business not because they raised too little money, because they raised

[00:17:33] too much money and there's a lot of millions flowing around in all these deals.

[00:17:37] Chad Moses I ain't kidding.

[00:17:38] Soterios Johnson You ain't kidding, man.

[00:17:39] Chad Moses You done messed up, A.A. Ron!

[00:17:41] Soterios Johnson Let's go to LinkedIn, shall we? Company

[00:17:45] that never gets any pub on the podcast. LinkedIn's revenue increased by 10%.

[00:17:49] Soterios Johnson Oh my God, Jesus.

[00:17:50] Soterios Johnson Despite a weaker hiring environment,

[00:17:52] Microsoft anticipates mid to high single-digit revenue growth for LinkedIn in the next quarter,

[00:17:56] leveraging AI to enhance member experiences. What kind of experiences,

[00:18:01] Chad, you might ask? Well, look out, Wirtle. LinkedIn has officially, we talked about it,

[00:18:06] but they've officially launched three in-app games, Pinpoint, Queens and Cross Climb to

[00:18:11] engage users and potentially monetize through a subscriptions model. You'll be able to play

[00:18:16] each game once per day and after your daily session, you'll get access to all kinds of

[00:18:20] metrics including your high score and daily streak, different leaderboards and who in your

[00:18:24] networks has also played. Chad, is this a silver bullet that LinkedIn has been waiting

[00:18:29] for? What are your thoughts on the revenues and the games at LinkedIn?

[00:18:34] Chad I would have thought that their

[00:18:36] revenues would be, to see them get a 10% lift isn't bad because if you take a look at it,

[00:18:42] the jobs that are open and being created are generally not in the LinkedIn population of

[00:18:46] users. So yeah, 10%, that's not a bad thing. The whole Wirtle thing is interesting

[00:18:52] and really we've talked about this over the last few weeks with LinkedIn is they're trying

[00:18:56] to become more sticky. They want you to come back every single day and what does Wirtle have?

[00:19:01] Those motherfuckers, they get people back at least once a day, right? So that is active

[00:19:05] and captivated audiences. They want your average person to come back every day.

[00:19:10] That will elevate their audience numbers and allow them to really focus on what we talked

[00:19:15] about before, expanding from recruiter seats to the bigger total addressable market of

[00:19:21] marketing and advertising spend. They're looking at doing videos, they're looking at doing all

[00:19:26] these different things. What do you really need to make that work? They need users that are

[00:19:32] sticky, that are coming back every day and guys like me and you who are on it every day,

[00:19:36] they know we're going to be there, right? They need everybody else, right? We're the 20%.

[00:19:40] They need the 80% who are not there every day and they are hoping and gambling on

[00:19:45] something like this.

[00:19:47] I hate to say it, but it's pretty smart. They need people like my wife. They have a billion users,

[00:19:51] I think. Maybe 200 million are on the site on any kind of regular basis. If you're not recruiting

[00:19:57] or sales and marketing, you're probably on LinkedIn once or twice a year updating your

[00:20:01] profile, adding a credential and then you're done. People love this Wirtle shit. They love

[00:20:06] posting it on Facebook and the socials about, hey, it only took me three tries to get the

[00:20:10] word. So if they create a nice little social share thing on this, yeah, people will do it.

[00:20:15] People love this game shit. I'm not into it, but I know a lot of people are. In terms of the money

[00:20:19] thing, like we talked about this before, the recipe for LinkedIn is working like a charm.

[00:20:24] Get rid of the competition, put up the moat and I know moat has been criticized. Moat's a thing.

[00:20:29] Moat is a thing. If you can't easily duplicate it, moat is a thing. You can't just build a

[00:20:34] bridge across a moat. So kill the competition, get rid of the fake profiles, which I think

[00:20:39] they're trying to do and then you become a monopoly and then you can start raising prices.

[00:20:44] So until Elon's LinkedIn killer comes along and gives them some competition, they're going to

[00:20:49] continue to ratchet up the prices and you, Mr. And Mrs. Recruiter are going to keep paying

[00:20:54] those prices because that's what you're going to do. And as long as you keep paying it,

[00:20:59] their revenues are going to go up. And this is what we're seeing on that side of the house.

[00:21:04] So I wonder if they're just going to allow the tech, which I mean is like the networking

[00:21:09] tech just to stay the dilapidated, you know, 20 year old tech is, which is what it is today.

[00:21:15] The matching sucks, the usability. I mean, it's just way too complex and for many people who

[00:21:19] don't use it on a daily basis, it's hard to fucking navigate to do just the basic things

[00:21:24] that you want to do other than posting, right? I wonder because there is much more marketing

[00:21:29] and advertising dollars that are out there. Again, HR is very slow to change. They do

[00:21:35] hear their recruiters whine whether they use LinkedIn or not. Don't take away my seats.

[00:21:41] Don't take away my seats. So they might feel like they really don't have to put the money

[00:21:46] and or time into the recruitment aspect of it. They're going to focus on where the big money

[00:21:50] is. And, you know, I don't know, but all I got to say is the tech sucks. If they can make

[00:21:56] the advertising and the marketing and advertising piece good for them. I mean, the recruiter seat

[00:22:01] side of the house might just have to, you know, work with bailing wire and duct tape for the rest

[00:22:06] of their lives. It won't be the first time a monopoly has fallen down on innovation in

[00:22:11] the history of commerce. But I mean, look, we talked about this with Indeed, with their

[00:22:16] health care channel and their tech channel, right? Like if LinkedIn can just get 10% more

[00:22:22] nurses to use LinkedIn because of these games, they can go to every health care facility in

[00:22:27] the country and say, oh, in terms of nurses, we have an engagement of X. We have this many

[00:22:32] monthly active users that are nurses. And you know what? Hospital systems are going to pull out

[00:22:37] the blank check and pay whatever LinkedIn says because they can show some of those numbers,

[00:22:42] which they cannot right now. And if they can show tech, tech people come on to the platform

[00:22:47] and other segments, then they just create new money channels to fill the coffers. But you're

[00:22:51] right. You're a monopoly and there are little ways to dial it up. And this, I think,

[00:22:56] is one of the ways to dial it up. We'll have to see if it works.

[00:22:58] 60% of the time, it works every time.

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[00:24:14] All right, Chad, you ready for a little Elon news?

[00:24:18] No, no.

[00:24:20] Where are you going to get it anyway? All right.

[00:24:24] I know, I know, I know.

[00:24:25] Some headlines this week from Elon. I'll read them and you can comment on what struck your

[00:24:31] curiosity or not. So here we go. Number one, Man Furious after Cybertruck breaks down

[00:24:36] repeatedly in first month. Number two, Elon teases XTV saying site will be the everything

[00:24:42] app. Number three, Elon chuckles at post comparing LinkedIn users with zombies. And

[00:24:47] the last one, Tesla's senior director of HR leaves making another executive departure.

[00:24:53] Just another week and all things Elon, your thoughts?

[00:24:57] Well, we just were talking about LinkedIn. So let's go back to it. So

[00:25:00] Musk is worrying about LinkedIn and he should be worrying about threads as data from Maptopia

[00:25:06] shows that threads is seeing more daily users in the US than Twitter. Now that's one of the

[00:25:11] things. I mean, there's a lot of sleight of hand that happens with Musk. This also the

[00:25:16] XTV and let's be clear kids. If you type in x.com into your browser, it takes you to twitter.com.

[00:25:22] So this is Twitter TV. Twitter is losing trust. He wants this everything app. If you want an

[00:25:27] everything app, you have to have trust and they're losing users. They're using,

[00:25:32] they're losing trust. And he's hoping that these smoke and mirrors actually help and bring

[00:25:37] people back to the platform much like LinkedIn's games. And the whole HR thing, he thinks HR is

[00:25:43] extraneous anyway, I believe. I don't think he really gives two shits about HR. The

[00:25:48] the Cybertruck issue, he cares about that. Less than 4,000 Cybertrucks have been delivered,

[00:25:54] which is I thought was a very low number. And then watching them break down and get stuck

[00:26:01] is all the rage on social media. I saw one in town here just the other day in Santa Fe

[00:26:07] and it's just ugly as fuck. It looks like a block of wood with aluminum panels attached.

[00:26:13] I know it's more than that, but that's what it looks like. The first time I saw it,

[00:26:16] I thought, wow, that is kind of space agey and whatnot. But when I finally saw one close up

[00:26:22] and I got a good look at it, it was like, man, this thing is ugly as fuck. I mean,

[00:26:27] it'd be like driving a block of wood. And coming from a military guy who probably

[00:26:32] drove a Hummer at some point in his life, the population. It was my first vehicle,

[00:26:36] actually. It was a Humvee. I'll take the other side of the Cybertruck. I saw it in

[00:26:40] Phoenix twice. I think it's badass. My wife won't let me buy one or even think about it.

[00:26:47] They need to gift a Cybertruck to every rapper and pro athlete in the country and watch this

[00:26:52] thing go nuts. So it's just going to take a few celebrities to be in this thing that's going

[00:26:56] to make it pop. Now they have to figure out the whole breakdown. They say don't take it

[00:27:00] through a car wash. It's just weird. They're recalling them all because of

[00:27:06] the accelerator sticking. I mean, it's like, what the fuck?

[00:27:10] That makes car wash problems seem really, really little in comparison. So Cybertruck,

[00:27:16] I think it's badass. Whatever. We'll see. Twitter, a lot of people don't remember this.

[00:27:19] In 2016, Twitter aired some Thursday night football games. They're not airing them anymore.

[00:27:25] Shockingly, people didn't understand. I got a smart TV, download a Twitter app. I watch from

[00:27:30] my computer. I just don't get it. So I'm not sure how XTV, it's almost just silly to say XTV.

[00:27:37] It better have good porn if it's called XTV. That's all I'm saying.

[00:27:41] Triple XTV.

[00:27:42] So I think that's one of his frivolous bullshit comments he made about autonomous

[00:27:46] vehicles over a decade ago that it was going to happen really, really soon.

[00:27:50] In terms of LinkedIn, man, put up or shut up. You're going to talk shit about LinkedIn

[00:27:54] and it's not cool and people are zombies on it. Let's see something. Let's see you

[00:28:00] do some LinkedIn competitor shit. I don't know what it's like. You did jobs.

[00:28:04] That hasn't really set the world on fire. See a profile thing. So just put up or shut up

[00:28:10] in terms of LinkedIn. Now, the one thing I did think was interesting is laying off

[00:28:15] HR executive. And the reason I think it's important is because people do watch

[00:28:19] what Elon does. And when he lays off 80% of his tech team, the year of efficiency kicks in

[00:28:25] and multiple tech companies start laying off a lot of tech people.

[00:28:30] If he is in Silicon Valley where we're saying, we laid off HR, we didn't miss a beat,

[00:28:35] you don't need HR, we have automation or whatever it is, people are going to listen,

[00:28:40] whether you agree with it or not. And they're going to say, do we really need

[00:28:42] an HR department? And if Elon can say, you don't need an HR department, yes, guess what?

[00:28:47] A lot of companies are going to go say, oh yeah, we don't need an HR department.

[00:28:50] And you're going to see this trend happen where HR executives are like, oh shit,

[00:28:54] Elon put me out of a job because he told the world that you don't need an HR department.

[00:28:59] So that's the one thing that I would watch in regards to our space. Hopefully,

[00:29:03] people will ignore it and just say it's just an executive because it's kind of mysterious.

[00:29:07] They don't know if she resigned, if she was fired. It's sort of veiled in mystery

[00:29:13] what happened to this person. But I do think it's a trend to watch if he comes out and

[00:29:17] says you don't need HR, that's probably bad for HR.

[00:29:20] Yeah, I don't think that matters at all because many of the companies look at HR and they do see

[00:29:26] it as a cost center, which I've said in many cases is bullshit. But when you start taking a

[00:29:32] look at compliance and that motherfucker who takes a shit ton of government funding, taxpayer

[00:29:38] dollars, I guarantee you he with SpaceX, he has a robust HR team, compliance team,

[00:29:46] auditing team. I guarantee you because that company does not exist without taxpayer dollars,

[00:29:52] period. Doesn't exist. All right, let's get into unions.

[00:29:56] Hotel workers that are unionized in 18 US and Canadian cities will rally on May Day for

[00:30:02] significant pay raises as negotiations begin with Marriott International, Hilton Worldwide

[00:30:07] Holdings, and Hyatt Hotels, Inc. The talks will cover about 40,000 workers seeking to

[00:30:13] reverse pandemic era staffing cuts and secure higher wages. Chad, what's good for the auto

[00:30:19] workers is probably good for the hotel folks too. What are your thoughts?

[00:30:24] Yeah, I mean having a collective voice is really the only way to go for hospitality workers.

[00:30:28] And I'm sure those 40,000 hospitality workers heard Sean Fain, the president of the UAW,

[00:30:33] talking about out of control CEO and executive pay versus everyday American workers getting

[00:30:38] the scraps. Plus the UAW in Domler Trucks last Friday struck a tentative deal which

[00:30:44] includes a minimum pay raise of 25% for union employees. So these workers are seeing the

[00:30:51] power of collective bargaining. And I mean, if you take a look at the Marriott

[00:30:56] International CEO, Anthony Capiano, that is one hell of an Italian name. I love that.

[00:31:02] His total compensation via salary.com says it's $18 million and that's 506 times the median

[00:31:10] employee pay. It's out of control. So when it comes down to once again, back in 1978,

[00:31:17] CEO pay in the US has skyrocketed from 78 to today 1200% while worker increases, a mere 15%

[00:31:27] in the exact same time period. So this all affects from the trickle down,

[00:31:32] AKA supplied side economics era, the money went to the top and it never trickled down.

[00:31:37] And that's what's fueling all this dissension within the corporate ranks. So for all those

[00:31:42] people who are using and talking about the unions are corrupt, whole line of propaganda

[00:31:49] and thinking, look at the fucking numbers because without union representation, these

[00:31:53] workers are getting fucked and getting paid poverty wages and also understaffed. So this

[00:32:00] is something that we need. We went way too far in one direction. Now we've got to try

[00:32:04] to rebalance. So if it does go all the way over in the other direction to try to get

[00:32:08] it to balance, I see that's the only way to do it.

[00:32:10] All right.

[00:32:11] So the pandemic happens, no one travels and layoffs happen. The ones that are left,

[00:32:19] the company says, look, to make it, you're going to have to take some cuts. You're going

[00:32:22] to have to swallow some pain, but when it comes back, we'll be fine. So just like the auto

[00:32:28] industry in 2008, but this is 10 years later. Yeah. Okay. We'll take the deal. We'll do what's

[00:32:35] good for the business. We want you to just survive and thrive. And I still want to have

[00:32:38] a job. So I'll take whatever concessions I need. Fast forward two, three, four years later,

[00:32:44] the company hasn't made good on returning salaries back to where they were. And by the

[00:32:49] way, inflation is really high for folks that are doing the jobs that actually really suck at

[00:32:55] hotels. By the way, guests are assholes. Like the fact that people deal with that should get

[00:33:00] pay anyway. Staff per occupied room is down 13% since 2019, according to the union. So they're

[00:33:09] doing more work for less pay and something's got to give. And I think the auto workers

[00:33:14] are a blueprint for like, how do we get the corporations to actually pay us a fair wage and

[00:33:19] get us to where we should be after the pandemic? And I think just like the auto workers, they're

[00:33:25] going to get what they ask for. I also think there's evidence to say that although Airbnb is

[00:33:31] robust in terms of revenues, but I think brand-wise, like I'm off Airbnb. I don't know

[00:33:38] about you, but it was fun for a while, but I like to have a front desk. I like, yeah,

[00:33:44] you love it. So, but I'm off it. I won't stay at Airbnb unless I absolutely have to. Now you

[00:33:49] stay longer at places than maybe I do. But I think there's a little bit of a reaction like

[00:33:54] Airbnb wasn't the killer, which was probably part of like, Hey, Airbnb is breathing down

[00:33:58] our neck. We need to make concessions in terms of salaries. I think that fear

[00:34:02] was largely bloated and exaggerated from what the reality is. So yeah, I mean,

[00:34:08] so the cities we're talking about Boston, the cities in California, Baltimore, Toronto,

[00:34:12] these are big cities. And if they win, hopefully you see a movement just like we have with the

[00:34:17] auto workers in Tennessee and other places. Yeah. And it's interesting. We talk about

[00:34:22] concessions for salaries. It's everybody below the executive ranks, right? Why are

[00:34:27] the workers always getting fucked? That's the question. And again, as the Sean Fain comes out

[00:34:32] and says, Hey, look, I know what's happening. This is what's happening. Everybody's looking

[00:34:36] at him going, yeah, that's exactly what's happening. That's why you need to join in

[00:34:39] unions. So I really see the UAW getting stronger. We've been talking about this and all these other

[00:34:45] unions are going to continue to gain momentum because many of these individuals have to work

[00:34:50] more than one job because they are getting paid poverty wages. And that to me is just,

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[00:36:01] plans to reclassify marijuana as a schedule three controlled substance, recognizing its

[00:36:06] medical benefits. This move follows recommendations from the Department of Justice and could lead to

[00:36:11] easier access for research and changes in the cannabis industry. Despite this reclassification,

[00:36:17] marijuana will remain illegal under federal law for recreational use. A step in the right

[00:36:22] direction, I suspect. Your thoughts? Yeah, my thoughts are a little reefer madness.

[00:36:28] I think I want to share something with the listeners and especially those watching on

[00:36:34] YouTube. So here we go. Watch this. This is Reefer Madness from a 1936. This was actually a movie,

[00:36:41] kids. These high school boys and girls are having a hop at the local soda fountain.

[00:36:46] Innocently they dance. Innocent of a new and deadly menace lurking behind closed doors.

[00:36:53] The burning weed with its roots in hell.

[00:37:00] In this film you will see the ease with which this vicious plant can be grown in your

[00:37:05] neighbor's yard ruled into harmless cigarettes hidden in an innocent shoe or watch case.

[00:37:13] If you want a good smoke, try one of these. You will meet Bill who once took pride in his

[00:37:19] strong will as he takes the first step.

[00:37:22] Women.

[00:37:30] Not sure how women being looser and hornier is a way to get people to not.

[00:37:40] He's coming over the edge.

[00:37:53] Suicide.

[00:38:01] Want a heart attack?

[00:38:17] Before it's too late. Reefer Madness, kids. That was the kind of bullshit propaganda in the 1930s.

[00:38:25] I have never, and you tell me, I've had discussions with many of my friends around this.

[00:38:30] I've never seen somebody smoke weed or do weed and get aggressive.

[00:38:34] Suicidal.

[00:38:35] Violent. Never. Or suicidal. None of that. None of that happens.

[00:38:40] Every film back then had to pass through government filter.

[00:38:43] It's ridiculous.

[00:38:44] You don't think the tobacco companies didn't have something to say about the making of that movie.

[00:38:49] Yeah, totally ridiculous. But look, I had no idea.

[00:38:52] Marijuana up until this legislation was the same category as fentanyl, heroin. No common

[00:38:59] sense person would say that fentanyl is on the same level. Cocaine is less apparently

[00:39:07] than marijuana. This to me is a logical thing. Let's be frank, it's smart to do

[00:39:13] in election season. If I'm Joe Biden, I want more younger people in these states that some

[00:39:18] are swing states. Hello, Michigan. That would probably be favorable to this.

[00:39:23] I haven't talked about my time at the Sphere with fish. I don't know.

[00:39:28] There was some hot messes at the Sphere for fish. Be responsible, kids. You can't

[00:39:35] overdo it, but you can overdose and there's no hangover. So there's that.

[00:39:39] By the way, whiskey sales down, beer, wine. The kids are doing gummies and edibles and not doing

[00:39:47] the whiskey stuff, which for me frankly is great news. It means cheaper whiskey and more

[00:39:53] available whiskey. So as far as I'm concerned, we out. Amen. We out.

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