Emerging from the haunting echoes of gothic rock pioneered by Bauhaus, Love and Rockets swiftly conquered the college radio scene during the mid-80s. By 1989, the band had made a significant leap into the mainstream with their smash hit "So Alive," inspired by vocalist Daniel Ash's glimpse of a captivating woman across a dimly lit room. Join us this week as we're joined by Mustard Plug guitarist Colin Clive, exploring his enduring admiration for Love and Rockets. Colin's firsthand experiences with their electrifying live performances offer a unique perspective, having been an avid fan long before the band captured the attention of the nation.
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[00:01:39] Emerging from the haunting echoes of Gothic Rock pioneered by Bauhaus,
[00:01:43] Love and Rockets swiftly conquered the college radio scene during the mid-80s.
[00:01:47] By 1989, the band had made a significant leap into the mainstream with their smash hit So Alive.
[00:01:53] Inspired by vocalist Daniel Asch's glimpse of a captivating woman across the dimly lit room.
[00:01:58] Join us this week as we're joined by mustard-plugged guitarist Colin Clyde
[00:02:02] exploring his enduring admiration for Love and Rockets.
[00:02:05] Colin's first-hand experiences with their electrifying live performances
[00:02:09] offers a unique perspective having been an avid fan long before the band captured the attention of the nation.
[00:02:15] Music
[00:02:45] So Colin, welcome to the show. We are here today to talk about Love and Rockets So Alive.
[00:02:57] Something I never knew when my mom was listening to this cassette single in her Chrysler LaBaron when I was a kid.
[00:03:05] Was it three out of four members of Love and Rockets are from the band Bauhaus?
[00:03:11] Now Bauhaus, I gotta say, is one of those bands that I feel like as a guy who plays music
[00:03:18] and as a music fan I'm supposed to know way more about than I do.
[00:03:23] Do you know a lot about Bauhaus or do you just know Bella Legosi's dead like I do?
[00:03:28] I definitely know about them, yes. Very pretty extensively.
[00:03:32] I would say Bauhaus and Tones on Tail. I don't know if you did that research.
[00:03:37] There's a band in between Bauhaus and Love and Rockets which also included, I think it was just two of them.
[00:03:43] Anyway, it's basically members. It was kind of a transition band from Bauhaus to Love and Rockets called Tones on Tail,
[00:03:50] which is an excellent band as well.
[00:03:52] Knowing that piece of the history makes a statement from Daniel Ash make a lot more sense,
[00:03:57] which is like to jump ahead in the story a little bit.
[00:04:01] The band breaks up in like 1999 and then they do a couple one-off shows in 2007, 2008
[00:04:10] and I guess he was being interviewed at one point and they were like,
[00:04:13] so does this mean Love and Rockets is back?
[00:04:15] And he said, I've been playing with those guys for way too big of a part of my life.
[00:04:20] I need to play with different people.
[00:04:23] Because it probably at that point, it's probably been,
[00:04:26] if you're looking at the beginning of Bauhaus up until the end of Love and Rockets,
[00:04:31] that's easily two maybe even three decades that he's been playing with the same three guys.
[00:04:37] I'm sure he just was like, I want to see what other people can do with music.
[00:04:42] That's not that long.
[00:04:43] I don't understand. That sounds very familiar.
[00:04:46] Yeah, you're talking about the two guys who have played with the same guys for several decades.
[00:04:51] Maybe pushing three.
[00:04:53] I'm over three. I'm at 32 years or something like that.
[00:04:58] So I feel as if I'm right there with them.
[00:05:01] And I've only ever been a solo artist, so it's fine.
[00:05:03] Yeah, there you go.
[00:05:04] Hey, before we get into this though, to my point, are there any artists or bands?
[00:05:11] Now Bauhaus is one of them for me.
[00:05:13] I have a list. I thought about this ahead of time.
[00:05:15] Are there bands or artists that you guys feel like you're supposed to know about
[00:05:19] or supposed to know more about, but you really don't?
[00:05:22] I'm trying to think now because there's definitely bands that when their name comes up,
[00:05:26] I'm like, I think I'm supposed to know when like that band.
[00:05:30] More than it's a lot of 70s classic rock.
[00:05:32] There's a lot of 70s classic rock bands that have like huge fan bases
[00:05:39] that like to me feel like, well, I mean, this show was a perfect example
[00:05:43] because up until we did a Grateful Dead episode, that was the Grateful Dead for me.
[00:05:47] That's on my list.
[00:05:48] Yeah, I was like, this is a band I think I'm supposed to like more than I do.
[00:05:51] And then I became a fan doing the episode, but yeah, I had there's anyone else.
[00:05:56] I had some others if these spark any ideas for you guys, if you would agree or not.
[00:06:01] Here's my list of bands.
[00:06:02] I feel like I'm supposed to know way more about and I might even if I was in
[00:06:06] a conversation of peers talking about these, I might even play it off
[00:06:10] like I know more about these than I actually do.
[00:06:14] So one of them is Sonic Youth.
[00:06:17] Now Sonic Youth.
[00:06:18] Yeah.
[00:06:19] I really love Bull in the Heather, like their biggest song of the 90s.
[00:06:23] And I had that cassette tape, but I don't go deep into their catalog.
[00:06:28] I don't know a lot about Sonic Youth.
[00:06:30] Mud Honey is a band I feel like I'm supposed to know a lot about and I don't.
[00:06:34] Arcade Fire.
[00:06:36] I feel like I'm supposed to know a lot about them because they like
[00:06:39] win Grammys and stuff.
[00:06:41] I don't know a lot about Arcade Fire.
[00:06:43] I don't know anything about them.
[00:06:44] Wilco.
[00:06:45] See Wilco's great.
[00:06:46] I like Wilco a lot.
[00:06:47] I don't know much about Wilco.
[00:06:50] This might be sacrilege to someone who plays in a punk band.
[00:06:53] I don't know much about social distortion minus like the two hits I know.
[00:07:00] Don't know a lot about social D.
[00:07:02] I'm not much of a metalhead.
[00:07:03] I don't know much about Iron Maiden.
[00:07:05] That's a good, I mean I'm just starting just kind of a recent
[00:07:09] studying Iron Maiden.
[00:07:10] Like I was like my friends have loved them.
[00:07:12] Everybody's loved them.
[00:07:13] But they would for sure be on the top of that list.
[00:07:16] I would say in the same vein as that is I maybe three or four years ago
[00:07:20] started my deep dive into Iron Maiden but I still feel like I don't know
[00:07:24] nearly enough about Judas Priest who I think is the other side of that coin
[00:07:27] of like the falsetto vocalist and like the kind of like pre-cursor to
[00:07:33] what would become Thrash Metal in the later part of the 80s.
[00:07:37] Don't group.
[00:07:38] I do have some Judas Priest info but for some reason Iron Maiden
[00:07:40] skipped by me.
[00:07:41] I don't know.
[00:07:42] I think because by the time like 80s and 90s hit Iron Maiden was
[00:07:46] way more about the logo of Eddie than like songs being on the radio
[00:07:51] where Judas Priest at least you had to be with some butthead singing
[00:07:54] breaking the law.
[00:07:55] That's true.
[00:07:56] Butthead was the gateway to so much music for me.
[00:08:01] They were right in my wheelhouse.
[00:08:03] The couple others that I had on my list here, Frank Zappa.
[00:08:06] We've talked about that on here before.
[00:08:08] I feel like people know lots about Frank Zappa.
[00:08:11] I think I know more about Frank Zappa, the guy who went on TV and
[00:08:15] spoke out against censorship than I know his catalog by far.
[00:08:20] Slayer is another one.
[00:08:22] This all kind of makes sense though.
[00:08:23] These are all artists that have like pretty extensive catalogs.
[00:08:27] I mean these are like long catalogs pretty much everyone you listed
[00:08:31] so it's I mean it's hard to get or it's easy to get lost
[00:08:34] and kind of just lose track for sure.
[00:08:37] True.
[00:08:38] I would say so it's okay.
[00:08:39] I'm just saying it's okay.
[00:08:40] It's okay.
[00:08:41] Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:42] I don't feel that bad.
[00:08:43] The one I do feel bad about and I'm going to get called out hard on
[00:08:47] this one by a lot of people is David Bowie.
[00:08:51] Like of course I know that David Bowie hits but I feel like
[00:08:54] that's an artist I'm supposed to know like the back of my
[00:08:57] hand like the Beatles or something and I really don't.
[00:09:01] Chris I want to say one that I think both of us have admitted
[00:09:04] to in the past that you didn't have in that list is for how deep
[00:09:09] my knowledge of the Beatles goes like knowing the ins and
[00:09:15] outs of every one of their albums and all the B sides and all
[00:09:19] that stuff.
[00:09:20] I know maybe one fifth of that much about the Rolling Stones
[00:09:26] and the Beach Boys catalog like like I know the important
[00:09:31] songs by those groups but they're both groups that the
[00:09:34] Superfans will tell you like oh the singles that you know are
[00:09:38] literally the worst songs by the Stones and the Beach Boys
[00:09:41] like you need to listen to the more bluesy or the more
[00:09:44] experimental era of those bands.
[00:09:47] The Beach Boys I know a good bit but the Rolling Stones
[00:09:51] know, Collar are you a Rolling Stones guy?
[00:09:54] Not really.
[00:09:55] I would put them on that list for sure.
[00:09:57] I definitely know a bunch but I don't, I far from kept up by
[00:10:02] any means.
[00:10:03] There's people when I listen to like a Mark Maron episode or
[00:10:06] something and he starts talking about the Rolling Stones
[00:10:08] oh dude another one, one more, one more I could put on here
[00:10:11] and then we'll get it, we'll get to Love and Rockets believe
[00:10:14] me this might be shameful once again.
[00:10:16] I don't know a lot of Dylan.
[00:10:18] When people talk about Bob Dylan I'm like well I know
[00:10:21] that I know his big songs and that's that's it.
[00:10:24] But what about Kiss?
[00:10:25] That's the real, that's the real question.
[00:10:27] Oh that's a good one.
[00:10:29] That I mean Matt knows a lot about Kiss I bet.
[00:10:33] I would say I know more than a non-Kiss fan and less than
[00:10:37] a Kiss fan.
[00:10:38] It's like that weird, like I'm in that middle level where
[00:10:42] it's like yeah I got like a couple of their albums but
[00:10:44] I have like the albums that everyone tells you you're
[00:10:47] supposed to own by Kiss as opposed to like the Die Hard
[00:10:50] Kiss fans that have like the bootlegs and every record
[00:10:54] that they've put out over like 40 years and you know
[00:10:58] Kiss memorabilia and shit like that.
[00:11:00] It's like well I got the Detroit Rock City album.
[00:11:02] I could imagine especially what, I could imagine at the
[00:11:07] time going to a Kiss concert was probably a lot of fun
[00:11:11] but to listen to them now it's not that enjoyable for me.
[00:11:16] Stop it.
[00:11:17] It's still fun.
[00:11:18] You like Kiss a lot.
[00:11:19] I do.
[00:11:20] Okay you do.
[00:11:21] I do.
[00:11:22] But I'll add the, I'm a-
[00:11:23] Listen, the song God gave rock and roll to you.
[00:11:25] That's all that really matters.
[00:11:27] I'm kind of, I mean by nature I'm kind of a makeup era
[00:11:30] Kiss so like once original members left I kind of
[00:11:33] completely lost it so I'm kind of a new convert to
[00:11:37] Latter-day Kiss.
[00:11:39] It took me a while to accept that but I'm learning
[00:11:43] to and I've learned to appreciate it for what it
[00:11:46] is so.
[00:11:47] The Church of Latter-day Kiss.
[00:11:49] Yes I mean I'm like a flag waving kiss fan and I'm
[00:11:54] still discovering like you know kind of appreciating
[00:11:58] to appreciate the later stuff so it's, you know it
[00:12:01] happens.
[00:12:02] Madness is another one for me like Madness I'd let,
[00:12:05] I could walk around saying I, Madness is the best
[00:12:08] fan in the world like but there's a ton of albums
[00:12:11] kind of middle period to later stuff that I just
[00:12:16] either you didn't know existed a lot of them were
[00:12:18] import stuff they just kind of got lost you know in the
[00:12:21] US and stuff like that so.
[00:12:23] Awesome.
[00:12:24] Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:25] That's one of those bands where you know obviously I was
[00:12:28] I was really young when Madness was at their peak
[00:12:32] popularity or whatever but what every time I hear
[00:12:36] a Madness song I'm like god damn they're good.
[00:12:38] I mean even Our House is such a good song it's
[00:12:41] so it's so musically interesting and I think
[00:12:45] it's one of like the best singles of the 80s.
[00:12:48] Yeah, I should I should listen to more Madness and
[00:12:51] now you know what actually perfect segue here
[00:12:54] every single song I listened to by Love and Rock
[00:12:56] it's I thought why don't I know more about this
[00:12:58] band because this is so my shit really this
[00:13:01] band is so my shit oh yeah this is my type of
[00:13:04] 80s like it is and I and I read you know I
[00:13:08] read they started off they're trying to do
[00:13:10] like a gothic rock thing and then they kind
[00:13:12] of started to meld what was happening in
[00:13:14] underground rock with pop music they're kind
[00:13:16] of credited as one of the early versions
[00:13:18] of alternative rock and like I hear it
[00:13:21] like I listen to it and I'm like I get how
[00:13:24] the Love and Rock its album fits into
[00:13:27] like the early REM records and like
[00:13:30] Pretty Hate Machine and like all of these
[00:13:33] mid to late 80s artists that were so hard
[00:13:36] to pin down but like there was a rawness
[00:13:39] in the lyrics and like a uniqueness in the
[00:13:42] sound that like a dude like Kurt Cobain
[00:13:45] or the guys in like Mother Love Bone or
[00:13:47] whoever else were listening to that stuff
[00:13:49] and being like what is this this is what
[00:13:52] I want to play because every single song
[00:13:54] I hit play on us like this song's great too
[00:13:57] just kept adding it to a playlist
[00:13:59] That's why I like to hear that's why
[00:14:01] I like to hear that's why we're here
[00:14:03] to appreciate Love and Rockets.
[00:14:05] I've also walked away thinking that they're
[00:14:07] the most punk band to show up on that shitty
[00:14:09] punk compilation commercial.
[00:14:11] They're on it.
[00:14:13] They're on it.
[00:14:15] Who are some of the other bands on that
[00:14:18] that were Huey Lewis, Minutework.
[00:14:21] Some of my favorite punk bands.
[00:14:24] So Colin you came to this episode as
[00:14:26] a Love and Rockets fan is that correct?
[00:14:29] Absolutely. 100% super fan.
[00:14:31] We'll call it super fan.
[00:14:33] I love Love and Rockets.
[00:14:35] Yes, they're hugely influential to me.
[00:14:40] I appreciate everything about them.
[00:14:43] They're cool band.
[00:14:45] I'll admit I was a little worried when
[00:14:47] I presented this to you both and you
[00:14:50] kind of just referred to the 90s punk
[00:14:53] compilation or whatever it was.
[00:14:55] The only knowledge of that.
[00:14:57] And I think having your mom play the tape
[00:14:59] in the car or something like that.
[00:15:01] It literally has just come up so much
[00:15:04] in this show that compilation.
[00:15:07] Because I've watched that commercial so many times
[00:15:09] that anytime we talk about an artist that's on it,
[00:15:12] I'm like, oh the beloved group from the punk compilation.
[00:15:16] This was great.
[00:15:18] This group was, yeah let's dive in
[00:15:21] because there's so much to talk about.
[00:15:23] I love this so much.
[00:15:25] Matt, this song kind of falls in that era
[00:15:27] that you referred to as like your blind spot.
[00:15:30] Not a blind spot for me because this was
[00:15:33] I was discovering music at this point.
[00:15:36] This song.
[00:15:37] And I was three.
[00:15:38] Yeah, I was eight or nine.
[00:15:40] I was eight or nine years old when this came out.
[00:15:42] It is true that my mom had the cassette single of this.
[00:15:45] I remember this song being everywhere.
[00:15:47] I remember this song being huge.
[00:15:49] And I thought we usually get to this later in the episode
[00:15:52] but I think it's really crazy.
[00:15:53] This song went to number three on the Billboard charts.
[00:15:55] This was in August of 1989.
[00:15:58] Can I read this?
[00:15:59] Because this is the greatest top five
[00:16:02] we've ever had on this podcast.
[00:16:04] I want to say, I do want to say
[00:16:06] that this song should have been a number one
[00:16:09] but it was held out of the number one spot
[00:16:12] by two songs from two movies.
[00:16:15] Two movie songs that are both amazing.
[00:16:18] Yes.
[00:16:19] Colin, do you know what songs held this
[00:16:21] from going to number one?
[00:16:23] I don't.
[00:16:24] Here goes.
[00:16:25] The date was August 5th, 1989
[00:16:28] and these were your top five songs on the radio.
[00:16:31] Number five was Martika's Toy Soldiers.
[00:16:35] Fucking banger.
[00:16:36] Total job.
[00:16:37] Number four, Richard Marks right here waiting.
[00:16:40] Beautiful ballad.
[00:16:41] Love it.
[00:16:42] Number three, the song we're talking about today,
[00:16:44] So Alive by Lovin' Rockets
[00:16:46] and then, god damn I love these are the top two.
[00:16:49] Number two, On Your Own by Bobby Brown
[00:16:52] from The Ghostbusters.
[00:16:53] On Our Own.
[00:16:54] Sorry, On Our Own by Bobby Brown
[00:16:56] from The Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack
[00:16:58] and the number one song in America was Prince
[00:17:00] with Bat Dance from The Batman's soundtrack.
[00:17:04] It's no party man but it's still a pretty good song
[00:17:07] from The Batman's soundtrack.
[00:17:09] Held out of the top spot by The Bat Dance
[00:17:13] and On Our Own from Bobby Brown
[00:17:16] from The Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack.
[00:17:19] The song where he literally has a verse
[00:17:21] where he wraps the plot of the movie.
[00:17:25] Ghostbusters 2.
[00:17:27] Which has to be so frustrating for Lovin' Rockets.
[00:17:31] Granted, I love On Our Own
[00:17:34] and one of the things I was thinking about
[00:17:36] On Our Own today
[00:17:37] and one of the things I really love about that song
[00:17:40] is the first thing he says in the song
[00:17:42] is if you want something done right
[00:17:44] you gotta do it yourself.
[00:17:46] And I feel like there's never been a truer lyric
[00:17:49] spoken at the beginning of a Bobby Brown song.
[00:17:53] Chris, you should campaign to start every punchline song
[00:17:56] from here on out.
[00:17:58] You want to do something right, you gotta do it yourself.
[00:18:00] I think it's so true.
[00:18:02] Colin, to put us in that era
[00:18:04] to put our minds on what's going on in music
[00:18:06] here are some other songs that were popular
[00:18:08] when So Alive was at its peak.
[00:18:11] Once Bitten Twice Shy from Great White
[00:18:13] was popular at this time
[00:18:15] I Like It by Dino
[00:18:17] which I listened to last night
[00:18:18] and I sent the link to Matt like
[00:18:20] that's the way it has to be
[00:18:22] because that's the way...
[00:18:24] I like it so good.
[00:18:26] Cold-hearted by Paul Abdull
[00:18:28] the cold-hearted snake song
[00:18:30] sexy music video
[00:18:32] If You Don't Know Me By Now
[00:18:34] from Simply Red
[00:18:35] Hanging Tough
[00:18:36] this was the new kids on the block
[00:18:38] Hanging Tough era
[00:18:39] End of the Innocence from Don Henley
[00:18:41] headed for a heartbreak from Winger
[00:18:44] Angel Eyes from Jeff Healy Band
[00:18:47] 18 in Life from Skid Row
[00:18:49] and if I could turn back time
[00:18:51] from Cher
[00:18:52] at this time
[00:18:53] when Love and Rockets were at their peak
[00:18:55] I would say that's a pretty loaded
[00:18:57] Billboard Hot 100 at the time
[00:19:00] While I agree
[00:19:01] but what I also want to say
[00:19:02] is going back to what I was talking about
[00:19:04] how I can hear how this was the influence
[00:19:06] on alternative music
[00:19:08] to come the following decade
[00:19:10] like imagine
[00:19:12] you're a young Kurt Cobain
[00:19:14] or Eddie Vedder or whatever
[00:19:16] it's 1989
[00:19:18] you've kind of just recently formed your band
[00:19:21] this is the only artist on that
[00:19:23] Billboard chart
[00:19:24] that sounds even close to what you're trying to do
[00:19:27] so I'm sure this was like
[00:19:29] a huge influence on like
[00:19:31] we could do this
[00:19:32] we could write this like
[00:19:35] personal
[00:19:37] kind of punk influence
[00:19:39] but also like underground
[00:19:41] sounding rock music
[00:19:43] that didn't sound like hair metal
[00:19:45] and it didn't sound like dance songs
[00:19:47] and it didn't sound like pop music
[00:19:49] and it got to number three on the Billboard
[00:19:51] like I could see how that was this
[00:19:53] giant
[00:19:55] it's possible
[00:19:57] and all these bands fucking geared up
[00:19:59] to do it
[00:20:01] it was huge in the college radio scene
[00:20:03] I mean I was straight
[00:20:05] out of high school in the college
[00:20:07] when their second album came out
[00:20:09] which was kind of their first
[00:20:11] more popular one Express
[00:20:13] which was like 86 I think or something like that
[00:20:15] and so Pixies,
[00:20:17] 11 Rock it spans like that
[00:20:19] there wasn't a ton of the rock oriented alternative
[00:20:21] but those were like big
[00:20:23] ones so exactly what you're saying
[00:20:25] I mean it was hugely influential to anything
[00:20:27] that I think that followed
[00:20:29] that myself included like it was like
[00:20:31] different you know
[00:20:33] it was like smells like Team Spirit
[00:20:35] before smells like Team Spirit
[00:20:37] it was that important at that time
[00:20:39] I think to a lot of us
[00:20:41] so it was cool
[00:20:43] Wow you guys are kind of blow in my mind
[00:20:45] I mean
[00:20:47] I just never pictured that
[00:20:49] with this band Matt
[00:20:51] you keep dropping Kurt Cobain
[00:20:53] and stuff did Kurt like cite them as an influence
[00:20:55] or something because I don't know if he did
[00:20:57] but I'm sure
[00:20:59] I'm sure if I looked into it he did
[00:21:01] because like there was an album
[00:21:03] that unfortunately came out well after
[00:21:05] Kurt Cobain had already passed away
[00:21:07] that was a tribute album to Love and Rockets
[00:21:09] and like the lineup
[00:21:11] is
[00:21:13] one of the groups that were
[00:21:15] talking about
[00:21:17] like one step
[00:21:19] to go back to Manus one step beyond that
[00:21:21] but it was like the flaming lips
[00:21:23] better than Ezra the dandy war hauls
[00:21:25] like it was a lot of those
[00:21:27] bands that hit the alternative
[00:21:29] scene maybe five
[00:21:31] years after this song came out
[00:21:33] I don't know
[00:21:35] the fact that the dandy war hauls
[00:21:37] did a Love and Rockets song makes me think
[00:21:39] that I mean I guess
[00:21:41] hey look
[00:21:43] Colin has the perspective of
[00:21:45] experiencing that and being influenced
[00:21:47] by it so I can't
[00:21:49] I can't argue with it I just I didn't hear it
[00:21:51] in the song necessarily
[00:21:53] but maybe now I do
[00:21:55] this is a later one so that's
[00:21:57] that's probably why
[00:21:59] like I think for us like for these bands
[00:22:01] that we're talking about there
[00:22:03] the influence came from
[00:22:05] like the 86 album or that one right after it
[00:22:07] Sun Earth Moon
[00:22:09] so 86-87
[00:22:11] this one came out in 89
[00:22:13] which was like simultaneous
[00:22:15] with probably like
[00:22:17] who we're talking about when all those bands were doing
[00:22:19] had already been influenced
[00:22:21] by them is my interpretation
[00:22:23] I searched
[00:22:25] I searched did Kurt Cobain
[00:22:27] like Love and Rockets
[00:22:29] on Google
[00:22:31] you're the first person to ever google that
[00:22:33] congratulations
[00:22:35] this is true but while that didn't come up
[00:22:37] there was two things that came up an NPR
[00:22:39] album
[00:22:41] or an NPR article
[00:22:43] that says Love and Rockets psychedelic train ride
[00:22:45] of So Alive
[00:22:47] laid the foundation for alternative rock to come
[00:22:49] okay and then also
[00:22:51] because I feel like this is also in that same wheelhouse
[00:22:53] there was a
[00:22:55] an interview
[00:22:57] where Kurt Cobain
[00:22:59] spoke about how strong
[00:23:01] the replacements were an influence on his
[00:23:03] songwriting and I
[00:23:05] like if you were to tell me that in
[00:23:07] 1989 like the replacements
[00:23:09] Love and Rockets and the Pixies all did a
[00:23:11] show together I'd be like yes that makes sense
[00:23:13] like that like makes
[00:23:15] complete sense to me
[00:23:17] so I'm sure it was in his general wheelhouse of college rock
[00:23:19] that he was listening to
[00:23:21] alright alright I'll accept it
[00:23:23] I agree I agree
[00:23:25] and I'm not saying like oh this sounds like Nirvana
[00:23:27] I'm saying like if he was listening
[00:23:29] to College Rock and this was a
[00:23:31] College Rock group that suddenly had a number
[00:23:33] three hit that would
[00:23:35] mean something it's the same thing with
[00:23:37] like if you were a young punk rocker
[00:23:39] and all of a sudden like if you were
[00:23:41] like a Kerplunk Green Day kid and all of
[00:23:43] a sudden they're like playing
[00:23:45] Woodstock and all over MTV
[00:23:47] like you as a kid
[00:23:49] also trying to form a band would be like damn
[00:23:51] they're like huge now
[00:23:53] suddenly and if you go back
[00:23:55] like I mean as again this
[00:23:57] the song we're speaking of or we will
[00:23:59] eventually be speaking of
[00:24:01] welcome to one hit wonder
[00:24:03] we like to dance around this song
[00:24:05] we don't even have to
[00:24:07] there's so many better songs
[00:24:09] I'm just gonna lay it out
[00:24:11] there's a bazillion better Love and Rocket songs
[00:24:13] but a lot of them are like heavy
[00:24:15] I mean they do some heavy
[00:24:17] cool guitar like alternative
[00:24:19] this is so alive
[00:24:21] it's light it's a dance kind of track
[00:24:23] even their Temptations cover
[00:24:25] their first like kind of single was a cover
[00:24:27] of Ball of Confusion by the Temptations
[00:24:29] and I was like god damn this is heavy
[00:24:31] like it was not what I expected
[00:24:33] it to sound like when I hit play on it
[00:24:35] yeah like Daniel Ash is one of my favorite guitar
[00:24:37] players like he's not like
[00:24:39] super like
[00:24:41] flashy in a normal
[00:24:43] sense he's kind of like a creative do do
[00:24:45] his own thing sort of thing he uses
[00:24:47] like the Ebo a lot which I've never
[00:24:49] used one of those but that's
[00:24:51] kind of well yeah that's like his thing
[00:24:53] is that but like he's a very creative
[00:24:55] simple kind of guitar
[00:24:57] player but I mean some of these older songs
[00:24:59] like mirror people
[00:25:01] is one
[00:25:03] it could be sunshine I mean they're kind of
[00:25:05] punk songs or heavy
[00:25:07] fuzzy alternative grunge songs
[00:25:09] I mean so I no doubt
[00:25:11] all these bands were like influenced by
[00:25:13] that so Colin I'm
[00:25:15] so excited that you
[00:25:17] as a guitarist
[00:25:19] are saying that Daniel
[00:25:21] Ash is like an influence like one of your
[00:25:23] favorite guitarist I here
[00:25:25] here's why I'm saying that
[00:25:27] I feel like we've had a lot of episodes in a row where
[00:25:29] the guest was like
[00:25:31] oh you chose this song because you were a fan
[00:25:33] they're like no Matt sent me a list and I picked
[00:25:35] this one you're actually a legit
[00:25:37] love and rockets fan
[00:25:39] I'm excited to like
[00:25:41] learn and I'm on the fence
[00:25:43] about them honestly I like
[00:25:45] this song I think
[00:25:47] I think I like the hit what you're saying is
[00:25:49] not one of their better songs
[00:25:51] I dove into a lot of their other stuff of course
[00:25:53] and I'm like I'm going to play a ball of confusion cover
[00:25:55] I thought that's an interesting take
[00:25:57] on that song it's not better than the
[00:25:59] Temptations version but it's
[00:26:01] interesting and now
[00:26:03] I'm excited to
[00:26:05] talk more about this I want to talk
[00:26:07] I do want to talk about the single
[00:26:09] we could look we could talk about the back
[00:26:11] catalog some too but the single
[00:26:13] Daniel Ash wrote
[00:26:15] and he said that he wrote it because
[00:26:17] he was at a party one Saturday night
[00:26:19] and he saw a beautiful woman
[00:26:21] on the other side of a dark shadowy
[00:26:23] room very romantic picture
[00:26:25] that paints in your head minus the fact
[00:26:27] that he did not talk to this woman
[00:26:29] because he was married but then he
[00:26:31] was infatuated with her for the rest
[00:26:33] of the weekend he said it was like he knew
[00:26:35] her in a different lifetime which
[00:26:37] it started making
[00:26:39] me think like I feel like
[00:26:41] that's a kind of popular
[00:26:43] topic of a
[00:26:45] song over the years that
[00:26:47] I saw a sexy woman
[00:26:49] that has been
[00:26:51] long a topic
[00:26:53] of I was like I know that's been
[00:26:55] a topic of so many songs first thing
[00:26:57] that comes to mind is I saw her standing
[00:26:59] there I think of pretty
[00:27:01] woman from Roy Orbison a
[00:27:03] really funny one I thought about is
[00:27:05] I'm sure you know this one it's probably
[00:27:07] from the same era maybe a little
[00:27:09] bit earlier but lady in red
[00:27:11] from Chris de Berg Matt I
[00:27:13] don't know if this is in the one hit
[00:27:15] Thunder Facebook group or the Chris to
[00:27:17] the podcast Facebook group but
[00:27:19] what's so funny about Chris de
[00:27:21] Berg to me is somebody
[00:27:23] constantly tries
[00:27:25] we have it so you have to approve a post
[00:27:27] to go up somebody
[00:27:29] they'll be I'll go to approve post
[00:27:31] and they'll be ten in a row
[00:27:33] from a page called Chris
[00:27:35] de Berg posting
[00:27:37] a just a picture of Chris
[00:27:39] de Berg no text just
[00:27:41] trying to post a picture
[00:27:43] of Chris like why
[00:27:45] why are you trying so hard to post this
[00:27:47] picture of Chris de Berg that must be
[00:27:49] and is that the one hit thunder one
[00:27:51] maybe that's in the Chris to make me I
[00:27:53] don't know I don't recall saying that on
[00:27:55] either and I have admin access to both
[00:27:57] it's been in but here's the thing
[00:27:59] what I I love what he says where he
[00:28:01] says I felt like I'd known her in a
[00:28:03] different lifetime or something
[00:28:05] and I couldn't stop thinking about her
[00:28:07] like I don't know about you I was
[00:28:09] I'm the one that sitting on this call
[00:28:11] I assume that's got the 17
[00:28:13] years of being single under this belt
[00:28:15] which was super fun
[00:28:17] but like I've had
[00:28:19] that type of experience where like
[00:28:21] I'm at a show or I'm at whatever
[00:28:23] and I see somebody and before
[00:28:25] I even like have a
[00:28:27] have a sentence with them
[00:28:29] I have like envisioned like a month
[00:28:31] of what a relationship would be
[00:28:33] with that person and it's always a bad
[00:28:35] idea like don't do that don't put
[00:28:37] that pressure on some
[00:28:39] stranger who doesn't know you but like
[00:28:41] I get that feeling where you just like
[00:28:43] meet someone you don't even meet someone
[00:28:45] you see someone and you're just like
[00:28:47] so hopelessly
[00:28:49] in love or
[00:28:51] desperate even maybe
[00:28:53] that you just imagine this whole thing
[00:28:55] which I think makes sense why this song apparently
[00:28:57] like spilled out of
[00:28:59] him and the band in like a day
[00:29:01] like it said that he
[00:29:03] said he took a bottle of whiskey into the
[00:29:05] basement in the studio and just put together
[00:29:07] the chords and lyrics in 45 minutes
[00:29:09] and then the bandmates came in
[00:29:11] and played the bass and drums
[00:29:13] and they finished the entire song in 24 hours
[00:29:15] it's pretty impressive to go from
[00:29:17] writing the song to having
[00:29:19] the recorded version of the song
[00:29:21] done in 24 hours
[00:29:23] yeah they also said that
[00:29:25] this song was strongly influenced by two groups
[00:29:27] T-Rex
[00:29:29] came up multiple times that
[00:29:31] that was inspired by T-Rex who we've done an episode on
[00:29:33] and the other one that I heard about
[00:29:35] and I was thinking about this when Colin was talking about how this is like
[00:29:37] kind of one of the softer
[00:29:39] more chill songs in their catalog
[00:29:41] was Walk on the Wild Side by Lou Reed
[00:29:43] because I think you could argue the same
[00:29:45] about that song in Lou Reed's
[00:29:47] catalog is like
[00:29:49] Lou Reed is like this very like kind of
[00:29:51] new way like early new wave
[00:29:53] artist who has this very
[00:29:55] chilled out song that's like
[00:29:57] the biggest song that anybody knows
[00:29:59] by him and it seems like that's kind of the same
[00:30:01] story for Love and Rockets as well
[00:30:03] The Lou Reed comparison is
[00:30:05] I hear that for sure
[00:30:07] hey I can also add Lou Reed to my
[00:30:09] list from when we first started
[00:30:11] that I don't know I should know more about
[00:30:13] Lou Reed but the T-Rex
[00:30:15] thing
[00:30:17] we did that episode about T-Rex
[00:30:19] so I really dove into T-Rex
[00:30:21] I guess I think of
[00:30:23] what I hear T-Rex I think of
[00:30:25] Children of the Revolution I think of Bang a Gong
[00:30:27] there must be this whole
[00:30:29] side of T-Rex that I
[00:30:31] don't remember as much because when I
[00:30:33] hear this song I didn't think of
[00:30:35] Mark Bolin or T-Rex but
[00:30:37] I think there's a lot
[00:30:39] that sound like that
[00:30:41] in the T-Rex catalog but I also think there's a lot of Love and Rockets
[00:30:43] songs that sound like
[00:30:45] the T-Rex songs you just mentioned
[00:30:47] like the rock songs
[00:30:49] when I listen to Love and Rockets
[00:30:51] and like Dan and I ask to me when I hear
[00:30:53] his songs it feels like
[00:30:55] he's writing a lot of
[00:30:57] T-Rex
[00:30:59] his versions of T-Rex songs
[00:31:01] hugely inspired and kind of from that
[00:31:03] which I like I love T-Rex too
[00:31:05] so it's all good
[00:31:07] and they don't feel like copies
[00:31:09] it just feels like he loves that kind of
[00:31:11] glam rock
[00:31:13] kind of stuff
[00:31:15] I think, because I was also thinking
[00:31:17] as I was listening to this and thinking this is
[00:31:19] so good this is clearly
[00:31:21] an influence on a lot of the music that came after
[00:31:23] like why are we even talking about
[00:31:25] this group theoretically on this podcast
[00:31:27] which is a big question
[00:31:29] and I think the biggest mistake that Love and Rockets made
[00:31:32] was immediately after this single came out
[00:31:35] because they had toured so hard
[00:31:37] for it because they finally had a hit
[00:31:39] it took them five years to put out
[00:31:41] a follow up record
[00:31:43] and it's like by 1994
[00:31:45] by 1994
[00:31:47] all of the bands that you may have influenced
[00:31:49] have already started a slight
[00:31:51] downward trajectory
[00:31:53] you know what I mean like
[00:31:55] Kirk Cobain's gone so like
[00:31:57] the grunge that version of grunge
[00:31:59] that you were the most influential on
[00:32:01] has started to peter out
[00:32:03] and now by 1994 you're starting to see the rise
[00:32:05] of the bands that were influenced
[00:32:07] by the bands that you influence
[00:32:09] like he's like one chest move too far
[00:32:11] at that point
[00:32:13] and I think that that may have been the biggest thing
[00:32:15] to hurt the band
[00:32:17] and then you know
[00:32:19] right before their last album there was a fire
[00:32:21] that caused some legal issues for them as well
[00:32:23] that kind of definitively ended
[00:32:25] the band but I think that
[00:32:27] if they put out an album
[00:32:29] in 92
[00:32:31] we wouldn't be talking about them on this podcast
[00:32:33] I think they would have had another song that like
[00:32:35] popped for them at that time period
[00:32:37] they also
[00:32:39] drastically changed their sound
[00:32:41] after this album
[00:32:43] like hugely
[00:32:45] like they basically went electronic
[00:32:47] like from
[00:32:49] this self titled record
[00:32:51] with the big alt rock hit
[00:32:53] guitar rock
[00:32:55] it wasn't hugely experimental
[00:32:57] or anything like it was a pretty accessible record
[00:32:59] for the most part at the time
[00:33:01] I guess in an alternative music
[00:33:03] world or whatever but right after
[00:33:05] that every album like three I think there's three albums
[00:33:07] after that or so
[00:33:09] they're all very like influenced
[00:33:11] by like
[00:33:13] later day 90s like slow like kind of
[00:33:15] chill ambiance electronic stuff
[00:33:17] like the orb I think
[00:33:19] is one of the ones that they cite
[00:33:21] is an influence and stuff like that but just like real
[00:33:23] real laid back and I
[00:33:25] they lost me too like I was
[00:33:27] pretty much done that's what I was gonna ask
[00:33:29] yeah yeah I mean they almost lost
[00:33:31] me at this album with this song
[00:33:33] I really didn't love this song
[00:33:35] to be honest
[00:33:37] but I love them
[00:33:39] it's got a lot of ooza's and doot doots
[00:33:41] that I think bring the song down a little bit
[00:33:43] but that's kind of interesting that they
[00:33:45] didn't even try to lean into what was
[00:33:47] the sound that they kind
[00:33:49] of helped create they were like all right
[00:33:51] fuck it now we're gonna go
[00:33:53] electronic and that was the thing
[00:33:55] I mean they were pretty they from album to
[00:33:57] album they they kind of
[00:33:59] switched it up they didn't like stick
[00:34:01] with the exact formula
[00:34:03] but that was probably the most
[00:34:05] drastic of all was from this
[00:34:07] album to that this was also
[00:34:09] a case for me like when this album came out
[00:34:11] it was another perfect example of one of those
[00:34:13] times when you know you love this
[00:34:15] band I loved them before that and then
[00:34:17] this song got popular
[00:34:19] all everyone around
[00:34:21] you and just all
[00:34:23] the regular people like
[00:34:25] started to love them you know
[00:34:27] you go to the store everybody loves them and I'm like
[00:34:29] they're not my band anymore like
[00:34:31] they're not cool anymore
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[00:37:41] right it was the album their second
[00:37:43] album and it was at st. Andrews
[00:37:45] hall in Detroit I was in college
[00:37:47] so I went there and
[00:37:49] the thing that I remember most was it was a
[00:37:51] really like very technologically
[00:37:53] advanced show for
[00:37:55] like that era and that
[00:37:57] size of venue like it wasn't like a
[00:37:59] theater like a giant theater and st. Andrews is
[00:38:01] whatever 800 people or
[00:38:03] whatever it is 600 or something like that
[00:38:05] but they had like lasers
[00:38:07] and smoke and it was very like
[00:38:09] it felt very modern in a
[00:38:11] time that you did I didn't know what modern
[00:38:13] was then you know I'm just a kid whatever but
[00:38:15] like it felt very fancy and science
[00:38:17] sci-fi and stuff like fancy
[00:38:19] lasers and stuff you don't know me see it shows
[00:38:21] and and they were cool like they look
[00:38:23] cool and they're wearing their sunglasses
[00:38:25] and fog and cool outfits so
[00:38:27] like I walked away as if
[00:38:29] I'd seen something like
[00:38:31] from the future or like you know it was
[00:38:34] it wasn't like anything else so like that
[00:38:36] stuck with me forever and the few bands
[00:38:38] do that to me like the faint is another
[00:38:40] band like if I see the faint
[00:38:42] like the faint if they sound
[00:38:45] like retro but they also
[00:38:48] their show and and the music can also
[00:38:50] sound like the most futuristic
[00:38:52] coolest stuff that's never been heard
[00:38:54] before at the same time yeah so that's
[00:38:57] kind of what Levin Rockets did to me
[00:38:59] at the time but yeah I got to see him
[00:39:01] probably
[00:39:03] at least three or four times and I saw
[00:39:05] Tones on Tail he did like a version of
[00:39:07] that a couple years ago
[00:39:09] with which was two of them the drummer
[00:39:11] and Daniel Ashe. Nice.
[00:39:13] That's awesome that you got to actually
[00:39:15] experience at the time
[00:39:17] even before they hit you
[00:39:19] experienced this band I don't know if we've
[00:39:21] ever had someone that had as much
[00:39:23] connection to
[00:39:25] the artist we were talking about as you do
[00:39:27] you were there you were there for it
[00:39:29] hey I'll play I'm playing at St. Andrews
[00:39:31] in June you think anyone
[00:39:33] you know that you think
[00:39:35] anyone if I said on stage I can't
[00:39:37] believe I'm playing on the stage that Levin
[00:39:39] Rockets played on in 1987
[00:39:41] do you think anybody would care
[00:39:43] Detroit's pretty cool like I mean
[00:39:45] it's still cool so I'm not going to say
[00:39:47] no you know they
[00:39:49] still represent and
[00:39:51] actually another one did you read about
[00:39:53] the bubble men do you know about the bubble
[00:39:55] men that's also that happened at St. Andrews
[00:39:57] as well so they have
[00:39:59] a tiny like E.P.
[00:40:01] side thing called the
[00:40:03] bubble men where they dressed up as B's
[00:40:05] like giant oversized
[00:40:07] B costumes and they like came out for
[00:40:09] their encore at that I think it was
[00:40:11] that show or maybe it was the one after that
[00:40:13] but after their show they came out no
[00:40:15] one knew what was going on they came out in these B
[00:40:17] costumes and did like this weird
[00:40:19] rap thing like but
[00:40:21] like kind of futuristic
[00:40:23] retro rap
[00:40:25] presentation of some sort
[00:40:27] they did put out an E.P. so you can find it
[00:40:29] if you want to check out the bubble men
[00:40:31] rap I didn't realize Levin Rockets was this
[00:40:33] cool I really
[00:40:35] yeah yeah
[00:40:37] I got a little game for you guys
[00:40:39] ooh alright do you guys
[00:40:41] want to play a game Colin might crush
[00:40:43] you in this Matt because
[00:40:45] there's probably a good chance he was alive during
[00:40:47] the time because I'm old
[00:40:49] he's so alive
[00:40:51] he's so alive
[00:40:53] he's so alive is what we should
[00:40:55] say
[00:40:57] my game that I made for you guys
[00:40:59] is all about
[00:41:01] August of 1989 the time
[00:41:03] that's so alive hit the top of the charts
[00:41:05] I was gearing up to turn
[00:41:07] four in a month but
[00:41:09] oh man I feel like you might do
[00:41:11] I feel like you might do alright at this
[00:41:13] actually when I look at the
[00:41:15] questions Matt you might
[00:41:17] do better than you think
[00:41:19] you're going to listen the
[00:41:21] as I've said on previous
[00:41:23] episodes I get into
[00:41:25] a good swing of things and then it's a question
[00:41:27] about what current celebrity was born
[00:41:29] and I can't my brain
[00:41:31] just okay info dumps
[00:41:33] every young celebrity that I know
[00:41:35] all right
[00:41:37] look it's August of 1989
[00:41:39] so to buzz in
[00:41:41] if you know the answer Matt
[00:41:43] you would say love
[00:41:45] and Colin you would say Rockets
[00:41:47] so if you know the answer you could say
[00:41:49] either love or Rockets to buzz in
[00:41:51] first question
[00:41:53] on August 11th of
[00:41:55] 1989 this
[00:41:57] horror movie starring
[00:41:59] Lisa Wilcox premiered
[00:42:01] Lisa Wilcox hold on a second
[00:42:03] I don't know who she is
[00:42:05] he's cheating
[00:42:07] I'm looking up at this guy
[00:42:09] no I'm not cheating
[00:42:11] I'm going to say love and I'm trying to remember
[00:42:13] I think this was part five
[00:42:15] I think this was part five was
[00:42:17] at Nightmaron on street five the dream child
[00:42:19] you got it
[00:42:21] Colin's the first thing that shows up
[00:42:23] from
[00:42:25] you looked it up
[00:42:27] Colin to be fair Matt
[00:42:29] hosts a horror movie night podcast
[00:42:31] and he's done like a thousand episodes
[00:42:33] there you go fair enough
[00:42:35] as soon as you said and I do a lot of conventions
[00:42:37] so I know Lisa Wilcox
[00:42:39] you met Lisa Wilcox
[00:42:41] I've been in a room where she's
[00:42:43] but I haven't like physically introduced myself
[00:42:45] no
[00:42:47] Colin if you don't know Nightmaron on street five
[00:42:49] the dream child was the one where
[00:42:51] she was pregnant and Freddie
[00:42:53] was getting into the dreams of her baby
[00:42:55] yep I actually just watched all of those
[00:42:57] recently so
[00:42:59] I like that one
[00:43:01] that one's so bad
[00:43:03] question number two Matt you got a point
[00:43:05] on August
[00:43:07] 15th of 1989
[00:43:09] this American singer
[00:43:11] songwriter and actor
[00:43:13] who has two daughters with Sophie Turner
[00:43:15] of Game of Thrones fame
[00:43:17] was born
[00:43:19] love
[00:43:21] it's one of the Jonas brothers
[00:43:23] is that Nick Jonas
[00:43:25] that is incorrect
[00:43:27] ah damn it
[00:43:29] Colin do you want to take a stab at it
[00:43:31] I don't even know
[00:43:33] can I get a second chance
[00:43:35] it's Joe Jonas
[00:43:37] it's Joe Jonas
[00:43:39] I don't keep track of the Jonas brothers
[00:43:41] I just knew that one of the Jonas brothers
[00:43:43] married Sophie Turner
[00:43:45] and I could not
[00:43:47] figure out which one it was
[00:43:49] Colin you don't know the Joe bros
[00:43:51] you don't know your Joe bros
[00:43:53] I don't know much about
[00:43:55] I remember in like
[00:43:57] the mid-2000s
[00:43:59] like really joking with my friends a lot
[00:44:01] about the Jonas brothers
[00:44:03] I should have just assumed
[00:44:05] that eventually they would be big sex symbols
[00:44:07] who everyone loved I should have
[00:44:09] just assumed that was going to happen
[00:44:11] Joe Jonas actually has a
[00:44:13] separate project that we will be covering
[00:44:15] on this podcast one day
[00:44:17] he had a separate band called
[00:44:19] DNCE that had that
[00:44:21] song Cake by the Ocean
[00:44:23] and then
[00:44:25] promptly disappeared
[00:44:27] wow okay I remember that
[00:44:29] okay let's get Colin a point
[00:44:31] on August 24th
[00:44:33] of 1989
[00:44:35] this former player
[00:44:37] was suspended for major league
[00:44:39] baseball for life
[00:44:41] love? okay go ahead
[00:44:43] was that Pete Rose? it was
[00:44:45] wow how do you know a sports question
[00:44:47] I
[00:44:49] it's the only athlete
[00:44:51] I ever hear people arguing
[00:44:53] if he should be allowed in the hall or fame and not
[00:44:57] I don't like this game
[00:44:59] sorry it is hard
[00:45:01] this game is rigged
[00:45:03] it's some of these
[00:45:05] I didn't think he was going to get that
[00:45:07] I got two more questions
[00:45:09] on August
[00:45:11] 26th of 1989
[00:45:13] this bearded NBA
[00:45:15] point guard was born in Los Angeles
[00:45:19] cream Abdul Jabbar
[00:45:21] he does not have a beard
[00:45:23] he was also not born in 1989
[00:45:25] yes he was
[00:45:27] he started there
[00:45:29] a decade prior
[00:45:31] does he have a beard?
[00:45:33] first thing you pull up
[00:45:35] he's got a beard
[00:45:37] he was not born in 1989 though
[00:45:39] that's true
[00:45:41] this would mean I need to know a modern basketball player
[00:45:43] and I got nothing
[00:45:45] sorry guys that would be James Harden
[00:45:47] never heard of him
[00:45:49] okay
[00:45:51] I should have known
[00:45:53] I got one more question
[00:45:55] I guess Matt won but I'll do the last question anyway
[00:45:57] I feel like Matt is going to get this one
[00:45:59] I'm sorry
[00:46:01] it's three points
[00:46:03] I feel like Matt is going to get this one
[00:46:05] I was too busy at college
[00:46:07] just listening to cool music
[00:46:09] drinking beer
[00:46:11] darting bands and stuff so it's fine
[00:46:13] do you have any specific memories of what
[00:46:15] happened at that cool Love & Rocket show
[00:46:17] at St. Andrews
[00:46:19] like a personal memory
[00:46:21] like I went there
[00:46:23] with this person or this girl
[00:46:25] or this I got
[00:46:27] drunk on mojitos
[00:46:29] or something
[00:46:31] I don't
[00:46:33] I remembered
[00:46:35] we just went to Carpool a ton
[00:46:37] I was going to Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo
[00:46:39] so it was like two hours away
[00:46:41] and I had met a couple guys
[00:46:43] who I'm still friends with
[00:46:45] they were the year older than me in the dorms
[00:46:47] but they were like a year older
[00:46:49] but we were in the same hall
[00:46:51] so really soon I had met
[00:46:53] these two guys
[00:46:55] who liked really cool music
[00:46:57] my high school was actually cool
[00:46:59] and I got exposed to a lot of 80s punk
[00:47:01] and stuff like that
[00:47:03] so that was super cool
[00:47:05] but when I got to college
[00:47:07] it was when I got exposed to a lot of the alternative stuff
[00:47:09] for industrial music
[00:47:11] and the goth stuff
[00:47:13] they got
[00:47:15] Surfer Rosa
[00:47:17] or the first Pixies EP
[00:47:19] or whatever when it came out
[00:47:21] they kind of
[00:47:23] made a lot of that
[00:47:25] we were going to shows across the state
[00:47:27] all the time so they were going to Sonic U
[00:47:29] show or replacement shows
[00:47:31] obviously Love and Rockets
[00:47:33] and stuff like that
[00:47:35] there was a ton of bands that I was fortunate to see
[00:47:37] at that time
[00:47:39] sadly I never went to the
[00:47:41] Sonic Youth or Replacement shows
[00:47:43] which is one of my biggest regrets ever
[00:47:45] I
[00:47:47] didn't understand them at the time
[00:47:49] Sonic U sounded too
[00:47:51] artsy and out of tune and weird to me
[00:47:53] and replacements were too
[00:47:55] like I don't know
[00:47:57] I just didn't understand them at the time
[00:47:59] so I regret those
[00:48:01] but I did go to a ton of good shows
[00:48:03] it was just a lot of
[00:48:05] that's what we did every weekend
[00:48:07] or during the week we'd drive two hours
[00:48:09] to Detroit to see
[00:48:11] something and Love and Rockets was just one of them
[00:48:13] so I don't remember exactly
[00:48:15] the event, I remember the lasers
[00:48:17] that was it
[00:48:19] I was coming over with their lasers so
[00:48:21] I'd never seen lasers before
[00:48:23] something to keep in mind bands bring lasers
[00:48:25] actually I saw
[00:48:27] speaking of like
[00:48:29] I saw, what is it, Rattatat
[00:48:31] I was just passing
[00:48:33] I think somebody signed up for their show but they had
[00:48:35] so many lasers and they were super cool
[00:48:37] so
[00:48:39] I must just love lasers
[00:48:41] I don't know but
[00:48:43] how did I never think of lasers
[00:48:45] Chris you're missing out
[00:48:47] it's not too late
[00:48:49] let's give this last question
[00:48:51] last question that Matt's going to be the only one
[00:48:53] I feel like you're going to be the one that has a chance to give that
[00:48:55] I'm not even going to listen so it's fine
[00:48:57] on August
[00:48:59] 28th of 1989
[00:49:01] this American drag queen
[00:49:03] real name
[00:49:05] Brian Ferkus
[00:49:07] was born in Milwaukee
[00:49:09] ooh
[00:49:11] I don't know
[00:49:13] I feel like I should know this one
[00:49:15] it's certainly not RuPaul because they had a hit
[00:49:17] like four years later on MTV
[00:49:19] I'm trying to think of some of the younger drag queens
[00:49:21] I thought you would have known this
[00:49:23] right away Matt, you're a drag queen guy
[00:49:25] I mean I love RuPaul's drag race
[00:49:27] I'm just trying to think of who the young drag queens were
[00:49:29] I'm just going to throw out
[00:49:31] the first name that comes to my mind of a young drag queen
[00:49:33] is it a door
[00:49:35] it is not
[00:49:37] it is actually Trixie Mattel
[00:49:39] I did not realize Trixie Mattel
[00:49:41] I guess that makes sense
[00:49:43] I thought Trixie Mattel was older than me for some reason
[00:49:45] but okay
[00:49:47] these are all young person questions
[00:49:49] that's why I lost this whole thing
[00:49:51] yeah
[00:49:53] young people question like
[00:49:55] night bar in Elm Street 5 the dream child
[00:49:57] exactly
[00:49:59] all the youngsters love that one
[00:50:01] a little more of a set piece for you guys
[00:50:03] what was popular at the movie theaters
[00:50:05] when this song was at its peak
[00:50:07] the number one movie
[00:50:09] in the country was
[00:50:11] parenthood at the time
[00:50:13] some other popular movies at this time were
[00:50:15] Turner and Hooch when Harry met Sally
[00:50:17] lethah weapon 2
[00:50:19] the abyss Batman
[00:50:21] of course the bat dance was the number one song
[00:50:23] Uncle Buck
[00:50:25] honey I shrunk the kids
[00:50:27] the dream child of course
[00:50:29] and some movie called lock up
[00:50:31] Love and Rockets
[00:50:33] they in January of 2023
[00:50:35] they made a reunion
[00:50:37] appearance at that cruel world festival
[00:50:39] in Pasadena that thing was stacked
[00:50:41] there was some
[00:50:43] oh you know who it was we had on
[00:50:45] Christa makes a podcast we had
[00:50:47] the basis of modern
[00:50:49] English came on I think I believe they played
[00:50:51] at that and then
[00:50:53] Love and Rockets did a tour
[00:50:55] in support of their appearance
[00:50:57] at cruel world I've never heard of like
[00:50:59] doing a tour in support of
[00:51:01] another show but
[00:51:03] I think that's pretty cool
[00:51:05] so they have played recently
[00:51:07] and
[00:51:09] that's pretty cool that's pretty cool that they're
[00:51:11] keeping it alive
[00:51:13] okay well before we
[00:51:15] each give our verdict I think I know
[00:51:17] what Collins verdict is going to be
[00:51:19] on whether this was a one hit thunder or a
[00:51:21] blunder I do want to talk about mustard plug
[00:51:23] I want to talk about mustard plug
[00:51:25] with you for a second I know that
[00:51:27] you know this is about Love and Rockets today
[00:51:29] but if anyone hasn't
[00:51:31] checked out yet mustard plugs
[00:51:33] 2023 album where did all my friends go
[00:51:35] it's out everywhere you stream music
[00:51:37] it's not even like 1989 you don't
[00:51:39] gotta go you should go to a record store
[00:51:41] and buy it but you can
[00:51:43] instantaneously listen to it on
[00:51:45] anything and everywhere
[00:51:47] I think what you're trying to say is that
[00:51:49] we here at one hit thunder
[00:51:51] love mustard plug and we'd like for that
[00:51:53] album to rocket to the top of
[00:51:55] the charts
[00:51:57] wow that's very nice
[00:51:59] did you just think of that now
[00:52:01] I also know
[00:52:03] that mustard plug has some shows coming up
[00:52:05] you guys are doing a Canadian tour
[00:52:07] and a European tour
[00:52:09] yep yep yep it's both coming up here
[00:52:11] in the summer so
[00:52:13] they put on a hell of a show I saw them
[00:52:15] at one of the weirdest
[00:52:17] concerts I've ever been to
[00:52:19] in Philadelphia
[00:52:21] in a very hot church basement
[00:52:23] with fire and frenzy and muscoffeles
[00:52:25] where the temperatures got so hot
[00:52:27] that the power kept going out
[00:52:29] throughout the show
[00:52:31] Colin did you know
[00:52:33] I talked about this when you were on
[00:52:35] Chris Makes a Podcast in the rap segment
[00:52:37] I talked about this but I in fact
[00:52:39] have danced on stage
[00:52:41] at a mustard plug show
[00:52:43] before me and my friend PJ
[00:52:45] were on stage dancing
[00:52:47] at club laga back in the day
[00:52:49] in Pittsburgh I was definitely on stage
[00:52:51] dancing with you guys
[00:52:53] that's amazing
[00:52:55] mustard plug you guys are like my
[00:52:57] love and rockets
[00:52:59] I saw you back in the day
[00:53:01] you guys didn't have lasers
[00:53:03] but you definitely had me on stage
[00:53:05] still don't sadly
[00:53:07] is there anything else that people should know
[00:53:09] I know where did all my friends go
[00:53:11] album I'll say that one more time
[00:53:13] do you guys have mustard plug
[00:53:15] dot com or did someone else
[00:53:17] no we got it it's all ours
[00:53:19] yep you're so lucky you have
[00:53:21] your band name dot com
[00:53:23] that's because we have a stupid band name
[00:53:25] it's easy no one wants our name
[00:53:27] it's easy I love the
[00:53:29] Chris the makes when he talks to me about you guys
[00:53:31] just calls you plug
[00:53:33] do people just call you plug
[00:53:35] or is that just a Chris the makes
[00:53:37] the plug no the plug
[00:53:39] the plug a lot will kind of
[00:53:41] what kind of happen the plug
[00:53:43] yeah I mean it's one of those I don't know
[00:53:45] it's one of those things
[00:53:47] it was a long time ago
[00:53:49] and that name surfaced
[00:53:51] concerned plug
[00:53:53] um no just we have
[00:53:55] tons of shows yeah I mean
[00:53:57] all the dates are on the website
[00:53:59] one of our coolest things that always gets reverted
[00:54:01] to a lot of people don't know about it we have
[00:54:03] a show archive so you might want to look up
[00:54:05] when you the exact
[00:54:07] date of when you danced on stage
[00:54:09] that is in the show archive and you could
[00:54:11] you could find the exact
[00:54:13] date what bands we played with stuff like that
[00:54:15] so our trombone player does a good
[00:54:17] job of keeping that
[00:54:19] accurate as well as
[00:54:21] he can so who did
[00:54:23] who was the who was the number one
[00:54:25] band you played with I know you were talking about
[00:54:27] that was it planet was it
[00:54:29] planters might be a planters
[00:54:31] okay maybe yeah I'm trying
[00:54:33] I'm trying to see it looks
[00:54:35] like there's a chance that the plug dot
[00:54:37] com is still available just slow that out
[00:54:39] there go get it
[00:54:41] there's no way I can't believe it's still
[00:54:43] available yes I'm
[00:54:45] gonna be worth millions
[00:54:47] these days
[00:54:49] uh okay my retirement
[00:54:51] love it rock it's thunder or blunder
[00:54:53] we'll start with Colin
[00:54:55] I think you're gonna say that they're thunder right
[00:54:57] absolutely
[00:54:59] there's no doubt there it's
[00:55:01] so important coolest band they're still
[00:55:03] cool their solo stuff's cool
[00:55:05] their side projects are cool
[00:55:07] I mean this
[00:55:09] song is it's it's so low in my
[00:55:11] list of favorite love and rocket songs
[00:55:13] I mean I've been like an
[00:55:15] alternative music DJ for like a long
[00:55:17] time kind of as long as mustard plug I
[00:55:19] kind of come and go doing that
[00:55:21] and this song does make you know
[00:55:23] the it's popular in a
[00:55:25] club environment so it
[00:55:27] does a good job of stuff like that but
[00:55:29] it's not it's not
[00:55:31] I would never choose this song as
[00:55:33] the song I would play by them
[00:55:35] if I wanted to listen to them even
[00:55:37] this album but yeah there's
[00:55:39] what's the song you're on the spot
[00:55:41] what's the song you're gonna play when
[00:55:43] you're DJing if it's not this
[00:55:45] I mean me or people is super cool
[00:55:47] that's kind of a little too punky
[00:55:49] I'm trying to remember what I play
[00:55:51] I mean that that ball of confusion
[00:55:53] it really depends on if it's kind of a mainstream
[00:55:55] ish you know you got to
[00:55:57] play the it's still the singles
[00:55:59] of some of these bands and stuff like that
[00:56:01] right but yeah
[00:56:03] I mean they have so many good songs
[00:56:05] and like their catalog is just
[00:56:07] fantastic all the way
[00:56:09] through even the chill even when they
[00:56:11] went all electronic and got
[00:56:13] a little chill and stuff like that
[00:56:15] I've learned to I've kind of just
[00:56:17] started I'm in there one of those bands like I
[00:56:19] dropped them and I came
[00:56:21] back I didn't like those when they came out
[00:56:23] they got boring and whatever
[00:56:25] but I've come back and they're super cool
[00:56:27] albums like
[00:56:29] I don't know if that's just me getting
[00:56:31] older and
[00:56:33] you know more accepting of
[00:56:35] chill music I don't know
[00:56:37] I don't know I don't know what it can
[00:56:39] explain it or maybe I just you know
[00:56:41] appreciate the subtle nuances
[00:56:43] of something more or whatever
[00:56:45] but they just they just do cool
[00:56:47] stuff and they're cool
[00:56:49] cool stamp it a thunder on
[00:56:51] them Matt you're going
[00:56:53] I mean I it's very rare
[00:56:55] that I like a band as
[00:56:57] much as I like this band doing the research
[00:56:59] so this is definitely a thunder for me
[00:57:01] I came into this episode on
[00:57:03] the fence and
[00:57:05] just I mean Colin
[00:57:07] sold me on him and now
[00:57:09] I'm looking forward to getting off
[00:57:11] of here and listening to some
[00:57:13] love and rock as I got some stuff I got to do where I can
[00:57:15] have music on in the background and you've
[00:57:17] intrigued me I want to check out
[00:57:19] the bubble the bubble man is that
[00:57:21] the bubble man I haven't listened to the
[00:57:23] bubble man in a long time but I mean
[00:57:25] I don't know if it was a big hit
[00:57:27] but it was interesting and there's an EP
[00:57:29] of it so
[00:57:31] you can you know you can check it out
[00:57:33] I would say go start with Express
[00:57:35] I would start with that album
[00:57:37] okay I would say that's my favorite
[00:57:39] like it's it's it's edgy
[00:57:41] it's got some like rock and stuff
[00:57:43] but it still does they do a good job with kind of
[00:57:45] more chill like
[00:57:47] some acoustic elements and stuff like that but that's
[00:57:49] I think that that one in caps
[00:57:51] slates everything the most
[00:57:53] okay but
[00:57:55] I mean I would start everything before
[00:57:57] this album I would do the first three
[00:57:59] before before this
[00:58:01] mainstream
[00:58:03] whatever
[00:58:05] they sold out album
[00:58:07] love and rockets
[00:58:09] a bunch of sellouts
[00:58:11] I still love them it's okay
[00:58:13] I'm in I'm going thunder
[00:58:15] this is a triple
[00:58:17] certified thunder love and rockets
[00:58:19] Daniel ash if you're out there
[00:58:21] check the mail your
[00:58:23] we just got to get this notarized
[00:58:25] first and your certificate will be on its
[00:58:27] way yes thank you
[00:58:29] thank you
[00:58:37] you
[00:58:43] the shape was rectangular
[00:58:45] the color was purple
[00:58:47] this has been one hit thunder
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