"Faded" by soulDecision (f/Jenae Thompson)

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[00:01:06] During an era dominated by TRL and boy bands, Soul Decisions faded, resonated with its infectious melody,

[00:01:13] showcasing the band's unique fusion of musicianship and pop sensibilities. A formula that worked wonders only a few years later from Maroon 5.

[00:01:21] Setting themselves apart from the manufactured acts of the time, the band not only wrote their own songs,

[00:01:26] but also skillfully played their own instruments.

[00:01:29] Yet despite this authenticity, their moment in the limelight proved fleeting.

[00:01:34] This week, Se qua owner Jeanne Thompson joins us to unravel the mysteries behind Soul Decisions' brief fame,

[00:01:40] questioning whether mismanagement alone dictated their demise.

[00:01:44] Their narrative serves as a sobering reminder of the delicate balance between artistic integrity and the unpredictable currents of the music industry.

[00:01:52] In stark contrast to the lyrics of Faded, Soul Decisions' journey reminds us that making what seems like the right move in the moment might not always be best.

[00:02:07] And you know I won't let it happen.

[00:02:09] I'm here to take you home, you know you got it in that.

[00:02:15] One hit is all you need to make the money guaranteed and you can live off royalties forever.

[00:02:26] And it makes me to just wonder, was it one hit thunder?

[00:02:36] So Jeanne, welcome to the show. We are here today to talk about the band that walked so that Maroon 5 could run.

[00:02:43] Yes I'm talking about Soul Decision and I know you're a big fan.

[00:02:48] So you can let us know your history with Soul Decision.

[00:02:52] Well I believe the year was what 98 or so?

[00:02:58] Maybe a little bit later.

[00:02:59] I'm memory lane shall we?

[00:03:01] I was obsessed with those compilation CDs.

[00:03:06] Did I have every single now that's what I call music? Yes.

[00:03:09] Did I dabble in the totally hits?

[00:03:11] Yes.

[00:03:12] Nice.

[00:03:12] And on one of those totally hit CDs there was a song that would transcend all music and that was Faded by Soul Decision.

[00:03:24] Wow.

[00:03:25] I love it.

[00:03:26] I got stuck on the track of all the songs on that one compilation, not one dragged me and I was just like,

[00:03:32] I listened to it over and over and over and drove my family crazy.

[00:03:38] And that was it for me.

[00:03:39] I love that.

[00:03:40] I gotta tell you I came to this song way later.

[00:03:44] I mean it had to be 10 years ago or so so we're way past.

[00:03:49] We're over a decade past and someone put this song on.

[00:03:52] We were hanging out, someone put it on the Bluetooth speaker.

[00:03:56] They're like you don't know this song?

[00:03:57] I'm like no I've never heard this before but I gotta tell you I started liking it.

[00:04:02] I was like oh yeah this is pretty undeniable.

[00:04:06] I can one up that Chris.

[00:04:08] Okay.

[00:04:09] I hadn't heard this song until Jeanne picked it for the podcast.

[00:04:12] Whoa.

[00:04:15] No way.

[00:04:16] But similar to Chris I really like the song Faded.

[00:04:20] I was like this song rules.

[00:04:23] It's so catchy.

[00:04:24] Unironically it's unironically is so catchy.

[00:04:27] Right out the gate.

[00:04:28] Right out the gate if we're going to talk about the lyrics.

[00:04:30] The opening lyric is different depending on which version you're listening to.

[00:04:36] There's the edit version of the lyric which is when I get you all alone

[00:04:40] I'm going to move in nice and close.

[00:04:43] But the album lyric is when I get you alone I'm going to take off all your clothes.

[00:04:48] Whoa.

[00:04:49] I know I'm going to take off all your clothes.

[00:04:53] Which one do I I probably know whatever the single version is.

[00:04:57] So that's the nice and close.

[00:04:59] The music video is nice and close.

[00:05:01] Damn I never got the album.

[00:05:05] Like pop radio.

[00:05:07] That's the version I know.

[00:05:09] But okay so this band obviously we'll get into it but whoever was managing this band

[00:05:15] did such a terrible job of assuring that this band would have a long career.

[00:05:21] They tried to capitalize on the boy band explosion of the time.

[00:05:26] But the difference is that this was an actual band.

[00:05:30] Dan this was played instruments.

[00:05:32] Yes and this is more of a Hanson this is more of a Hanson boy band than a Backstreet Boys boy band.

[00:05:38] It's almost the exact same lineup of instrumentation as Hanson.

[00:05:43] And it has the same kind of funky like soul and R&B influence that like later Hanson records would have.

[00:05:53] I feel like soul decision is very similar to Hanson except for the problematic Pinterest pages.

[00:06:01] And they're not all siblings.

[00:06:04] That too.

[00:06:05] But a little background on our Canadian friends in soul decision.

[00:06:10] They were formed in Vancouver in 1993 originally under the name indecision which is funny because

[00:06:18] if you'll notice when I believe the rapper's name is yes thrust thrust is the rapper on this song.

[00:06:24] Glad you're bringing this up because I was going to bring this up too.

[00:06:27] He shouts out indecision in his rap they didn't change that when the band's name changed he

[00:06:33] like calls them indecision I believe right.

[00:06:37] Yeah he says I'm not like the rest indecision with the best.

[00:06:40] Yeah yeah so he's still he's still citing them as indecision but basically the band was singer

[00:06:47] and multi instrumentalist Trevor Guthrie who seems to be the real brains behind this whole

[00:06:52] operation singer David Bowman and keyboardist Ken Lucco who were all studying music together

[00:06:58] at Capilano College which I clicked into Capilano College to learn a little bit

[00:07:04] it's just it's basically a college that's teaching focused it's a public university it's not I

[00:07:11] wondered if it was like a music school or something it's not so in Canada before they even had their

[00:07:17] major label deal they had a couple of singles that received national top 40 radio airplay as

[00:07:23] indecision they signed to Universal and at this point they had to change their name due to

[00:07:29] a name conflict with an American band I think I I could be wrong about this but I think there's

[00:07:34] a hardcore band called indecision I wonder if I think that's who it is that they would deal with

[00:07:40] my favorite line in the entire wikipedia is the sentence that says they reluctantly

[00:07:46] changed their name to soul decision they were not happy with this decision at all well this

[00:07:52] this manager Gary Francis chose the name soul decision this guy a lot of questionable decisions by

[00:08:00] Gary Francis along the way soul decision all one word all lowercase except for the D I don't

[00:08:08] I don't know why he made that choice but they went along with it they trusted their manager Gary

[00:08:14] it's like almost like they were choosing a password or something

[00:08:20] their name was soul decision 156 exclamation point sorry sorry we need we need at least one

[00:08:26] capitalized letter but like we said they got lumped right into the boy band thing even though

[00:08:36] they wrote their own songs played their own instruments their debut album no one does it

[00:08:41] better for some reason they went all the way to Sydney Australia to record this album don't know why

[00:08:48] but Chris you're a musician you know how Sydney has the best recording studios in the world I guess

[00:08:53] they have special mics there or something but I guess it worked because on February 22nd

[00:09:00] of 2000 they released this album in Canada and faded became a hit in Canada reaching number one

[00:09:07] on the country's singles chart these guys were huge in Canada and then it took a little while

[00:09:14] for them to reach only number 22 in the United States we are talking about this and we're

[00:09:19] talking about soul decision today and this actually by one hit thunder standards kind of falls

[00:09:26] falls on that line we usually say it has to be top 20 but this song so good though we're

[00:09:31] giving it a pass this week we're bending some rules here but it peaked at number 20 22 on September 9th

[00:09:39] 2000 and it was sandwiched between jagged edge let's get married at 21 and Britney Spears lucky

[00:09:48] at 23 and the top five that year or that particular week we had it number five

[00:09:55] matchbox 20 bent number four Cisco incomplete not the thong song wow number three here's

[00:10:06] here's where we got I would say this is my favorite of the five songs destiny's child's jump in jumping

[00:10:12] club classic number two Madonna music and chris your girl's at number one my girl

[00:10:20] Janet Jackson oh with doesn't really matter the number one song in America at that time

[00:10:26] such a good such a good Janet song that's that's a that's a pretty good I mean I was like kind of

[00:10:32] iffy on it until Janet until I saw Janet the top this is not one of the you'll notice that unlike

[00:10:37] a couple past episodes I didn't start with and boy let me tell you how stacked that top five

[00:10:44] it's okay although very 2000s top five for me for it I was gonna take me back you just

[00:10:52] you just marty replied me I don't really need the gray now I'm gonna listen to all of those

[00:10:58] songs as soon as we get out so so they have a second single though Chris I want to address this

[00:11:04] early on there are people my girlfriend included who when I said oh we're doing fade it by

[00:11:11] sold decision swore that they had a second big hit and they're only half correct they released the single

[00:11:19] called ooh it's kind of crazy which did make it all the way to number one on trl okay however when

[00:11:28] you look at its chart performance it peaked at 111 on the billboard charts so just another

[00:11:36] example of how trl did not necessarily translate to sales a lot of the time and Chris I asked you

[00:11:43] to rewatch this video jeanet did you happen to see the video for ooh it's kind of crazy

[00:11:51] so I dove into this because it was named by billboard as one of the 10 greatest boy band videos

[00:12:01] of the trl era okay and and the reasoning why is if you watch this video first of all

[00:12:12] chris you you watched it after I told you to check it out right I have thoughts on it

[00:12:16] first of all you can barely hear the song the entire video they have so the concept of

[00:12:22] the video is they're doing the Beatles thing where it's like they are so huge they can't do

[00:12:27] anything in their day to day life because swarms of fans bother them all girls all girls by the way

[00:12:33] whoever made this video mixed the cheering so loud that it covers up the entire track yes you can

[00:12:39] barely hear the song over screams the whole video just fully work just the whole time it's

[00:12:46] odd it's people cheering it's sound effects when they're jumping from a car to another car it

[00:12:53] is just the song is just bed music for the whole time and that's yeah it's very strange that's why

[00:13:00] I'm like I don't count this as a hit people vote it for this because they like the video there's no way

[00:13:06] they were voting for this because they like the song because I can't tell you what the song is

[00:13:11] there's no way it was better than freaking fate oh it's not even close when I actively tried to

[00:13:17] listen for the song I was like this is no fate it there's no hook to this back up back up it's still

[00:13:23] pretty it's still pretty good I it's not a bad song you know what actually with that song I know you

[00:13:29] mentioned maroon five I feel like oh it's kind of crazy musically feels like an like a wham song

[00:13:35] like they were trying to be like wham sure yeah you gotta check that one out today

[00:13:40] you gotta see this video I assume it's Trevor in the video uh is I guess working on the next big

[00:13:49] sold decision hit and he's sitting on a park bench with his headphones on and he's so focused on the

[00:13:55] music that he doesn't realize that a group of teenage fans have picked up the park bench

[00:14:00] and put it on the back of a truck yes kidnap him the tll thing is I always think about the

[00:14:09] tll thing because you know maybe it's a little bit early but I think tll was still pretty popular

[00:14:15] 03 04 I don't think it had its downfall until a few years later but I always think about

[00:14:23] this is a perfect example if you had a band and you were popular enough that you could

[00:14:28] have if you had a couple thousand fans and you could send out a mailing list and rally them

[00:14:33] and be like this one day go vote for us on tll it could happen I always regret not having a music

[00:14:41] video ready to go and and rallying the people that liked my band to like go vote for us on this

[00:14:47] thing because that's all it takes right yeah well so talking about tll I have not a game really

[00:14:56] but the song peaked at number one for one day it was only one day that it was the

[00:15:01] number one song on tll the same week that it was the number one song on tll it was also the 27th

[00:15:08] most played video that week on mtv so we're really pushing this song for that one week but I found

[00:15:17] that in retrospect the song is regarded as one of the most unlikely tll chart toppers of all time

[00:15:25] and I found an article from up rocks that called the song an oddity and included it on their list of

[00:15:32] 11 music videos that you will not believe topped tll for back in the day so I just want to ask I have

[00:15:39] the list here we can't turn this into a game but I'm going to give you each like two chances to

[00:15:44] guess on like a song that you remember being number one on tll that didn't fit the normal

[00:15:49] tll brand hmm I'll tell you that there are two American idol contestants on this list of oh okay

[00:16:01] that's really good to know um contestants or winners I don't know if one of them won or just had a

[00:16:10] good career after not winning okay I think I know who it is okay is it invisible faker

[00:16:17] no because that I would have known invisible by clay achon rules um but sorry 2004 by ruben stutter

[00:16:27] I was gonna guess ruben stuttered he won right he'd be clay achon yeah yeah the the other

[00:16:35] I'm pretty sure this is uh an american idol person doltree home doltree doltree I'm coming home

[00:16:43] yeah hey janei I gotta tell I gotta tell janei about this there are pictures online of Chris

[00:16:49] doltree do you know Chris doltree you know what he looks like there are pictures where he looks exactly

[00:16:55] like me and my friends will send them to me and and it's just funny because it says something about

[00:17:01] like the shape of his face and the shape of his head and stuff it's or I almost want to tell

[00:17:07] you to take off your hat yeah yeah yeah we're both both both shape heads there are pictures

[00:17:15] but there are pictures where it's like funny where I actually start cracking up I send them

[00:17:19] my mom and she's like oh my god and uh so doltree played recently I was I should have went

[00:17:26] everyone's trying to get me to go stand outside of because he played in greensburg not that long

[00:17:31] ago I should have went and like hung out signed some autographs although he's way more jacked than me

[00:17:36] if you just sign it as Chris it's still not a lie that's just Chris hey that's not surprising to me

[00:17:45] that was a huge song though that's not surprising to me no Matt I was gonna guess one of my guesses were

[00:17:51] was gonna be was Reliant K one of them no but you're in the similar field because Newfound

[00:17:57] Glory all downhill from here at one point was the number one song on trl um I'm gonna do the

[00:18:03] rest of these real quick so they had Lady Sovereign Love Me or Hate Me was one of their unlikely

[00:18:08] chart toppers are you familiar with Lady Sovereign Chris I am not uh she's a British rapper

[00:18:15] oh so it was like love me I hate me I'm still an obsession love me I hate me that is the

[00:18:20] question yeah it's a good s jim um Lindsay Lohan's Confessions of a Broken Heart okay

[00:18:26] was on the list oh Lindsay 98 degrees I do cherish you was on the list why is that surprising

[00:18:34] weren't they they were huge for them it was just like I don't know why a song about getting married

[00:18:39] would be the number one song on trl um Nick Carter Help Me was the only according to this article

[00:18:46] was the only solo boy band track to ever top trl uh I don't know if that's because trl

[00:18:54] wasn't doing stuff when Justin Timberlake went solo anymore um Dream This Is Me and then the last two

[00:19:02] I at the they had Cisco the thong song and that one was an unlikely chart topper because it only

[00:19:09] did it for one day it never it only had one day as the number one song on trl and then the best

[00:19:16] one Tom Green the bum bum song oh yeah of course oh my god I'm not sure if you know this story

[00:19:23] Tom Green has talked about this story and it's a heartbreaking story for those of you who love

[00:19:28] trl but sometimes Carson Daly would need some days off from Total Request live and what they would do

[00:19:41] is look at what the charts had been doing that week and just kind of try to guess

[00:19:46] what the rankings would be for that day so like your votes didn't matter at all so he needed

[00:19:53] to have off on like a Friday and they filmed that Friday's episode in advance and then the next day

[00:20:03] after Tom Green's show debuted the bum bum song it had skyrocketed to number one and they had to

[00:20:09] have Tom Green come in on Thursday and officially retire the song from being eligible on the

[00:20:17] show so that it wouldn't give away that Friday's episode was prerecorded what

[00:20:27] I guess I'd heard stuff about this before that yeah they didn't like that it was number one or

[00:20:32] something but that was why because it was it had screwed up their prerecorded stuff because it was

[00:20:38] like this song that they didn't plan on pushing was the number one song for like three days in a

[00:20:44] row and they're like we weren't prepared for this and Carson can't refilm that whole episode so you

[00:20:49] have to come in on Thursday and retire the song okay weird very weird that being said what's not

[00:20:57] weird is the song faded which is fucking a banger of a perfect pick perfect for i christ is this

[00:21:04] possibly one of the best first picks in in one hit thunder history just out the gate I

[00:21:10] I feel like Jeanet really is like hitting the home run yeah you brought the you brought a good one here

[00:21:14] Jeanet the song also I mentioned it earlier but it features thrust the rapper thrust which

[00:21:26] which for some reason is the funniest rapper named to me

[00:21:29] thrust

[00:21:35] we gotta talk about thrust a little bit more he's a canadian rapper from Toronto

[00:21:40] he is most known for his appearance on the rascals that's rascals with a z 1998 single northern

[00:21:47] touch which I sent to matt last night it was like good as jazz i was like this is pretty good

[00:21:52] right this seems like I knew it was right up your alley matt oh I loved it and the top comment is did

[00:21:58] anyone come here because of Seth rogan's podcast what so i'm guessing that Seth rogan has been

[00:22:03] shouting out the rascals on the podcast he's canadian right yeah no it makes sense that he

[00:22:09] would have grown up with the rascals yeah yeah it's pretty good pretty good so then

[00:22:14] so decision is thrown into this boy band girl pop star world he toured in july of 2000 with my

[00:22:23] hometown girl Christina Aguilera and then I did a headline in canadian tour in 2001

[00:22:30] I found a crazy little fact that I'm sure neither of you knew because I had to dig deep for this one

[00:22:37] between the two soul decision albums and at some point like it when he's touring because

[00:22:42] then he also toured along with destiny's child as support for christine aguilera's genie in a bottle

[00:22:47] tour throughout north america and then they were a support act for in sync on the eastern north american

[00:22:55] dates of leg two of the no strings attached to her in 2000 they are they're on enormous enormous

[00:23:02] tours at this probably the biggest tours you could be on in that time period you knew that

[00:23:08] did you go to that show and see them no but I was obsessed I was one of those in sync of like

[00:23:14] there was no white to be seen on my walls obsessed with anything so wow i chris you're gonna be really

[00:23:21] excited about this but I need to bring it back to thrust for one more second okay yeah I mainly want

[00:23:26] to talk about thrust I feel like there might be canadian listeners that are screaming at

[00:23:35] their phones right now yeah I just clicked into the wikipedia page for the song northern touch

[00:23:42] okay and this is what it says northern touch is one of the most important individual songs in the

[00:23:49] history of canadian hip hop it almost single-handedly transformed the genre from a largely ignored

[00:23:56] underground movement into a viable commercial endeavor for all rappers to come after that

[00:24:02] okay so like thrust was literally part of I guess getting a lot of canadian rappers signed in the

[00:24:09] 2000s and and beyond he's good he's definitely good he's got a cool voice and he's got a good

[00:24:16] delivery I like him on that rascal song and uh I didn't get to tell you my crazy fact though

[00:24:21] between the two soul decision albums where I had to really dig for this but at one point

[00:24:27] Trevor wrote songs Trevor from soul decision with Ryan Gosling oh was he part of dead man's bones

[00:24:37] I don't think so I think they just got together and like wrote songs together because I know Ryan

[00:24:42] Gosling has always had a little bit of a once-to-do music yeah vibe yeah yeah so well just

[00:24:50] just a little something that you should know that Trevor and Ryan Gosling are boys and

[00:24:54] they still keep in touch that's awesome I had to watch I had to watch a whole Trevor interview to

[00:24:59] find that out so they do all these huge tours I I would think that people would love the band

[00:25:09] I mean this the song we are saying that yeah this band got lumped into the boy band thing

[00:25:15] but honestly these songs they do sound like it's cool they wrote them and played the

[00:25:20] instruments they do sound like they fit in that world it's not like that much of a departure I would

[00:25:26] I would think and on top of that let's not beat around the bush here Trevor is a hot guy still

[00:25:34] he's 51 years old now he's still a hot guy so yeah you sent me one of the new Trevor solo tracks

[00:25:40] and beyond the fact that he still looks great that song wasn't bad either like the dude can

[00:25:44] write a song he can write a pop song yeah but the uh but the band left universal so I guess that

[00:25:51] things started to to tail off after these big tours and after these couple singles and they released

[00:25:57] their second album Shady satin drug in 2004 so that's kind of a big gap between yeah you would think

[00:26:04] you would think they'd want to really do that five four or five years between yeah albums

[00:26:10] that's a long time for a pop act and also they left universal I don't know if they got dropped or

[00:26:15] I don't know what happened there and they released it on an album on a label called sextant uh and then

[00:26:21] after the album came out Shady satin drug sextant filed for bankruptcy so that did not help things

[00:26:28] yeah it kind of I think that kind of spelled the end of soul decision when that happened

[00:26:33] and because you also see that Trevor solo career starts not too long after that album

[00:26:39] comes out like I don't even think they toured for satin satin drug well you know what okay here's

[00:26:44] what I saw is that so they're single from that album Kiss the Walls I went and checked it out

[00:26:48] there's a music video for it it's a little more rock than straight boy band pop like the choruses

[00:26:56] have like some distorted guitars and stuff so I think they were trying to make that transition

[00:27:01] to like yo we're a band a little bit it still was pretty poppy and it was actually like kind

[00:27:06] of cheesy a little cheesier than I would have thought for how much I like those other two singles

[00:27:13] yeah they said well I watched an interview with Trevor saying this that they got to a point where

[00:27:18] they were exhausted and no money was coming in and then he said the fight was over at that point

[00:27:24] he said what he said was they would go to clubs they would be on tour and they would play a

[00:27:29] show and the show wouldn't be that well attended or whatever and the promoter would be like

[00:27:34] yo I didn't know you guys were like a good band and they would be like yeah we are they didn't even

[00:27:40] know they were a band they probably thought they were just some singers going in there to sing

[00:27:44] the tracks or whatever yeah but he was like by the time the promoters realized that they should

[00:27:49] have pushed our shows more and stuff it was it was over at that point um they they definitely

[00:27:57] I listened to a lot of their songs I wanted to know like do I like this band or not

[00:28:01] they have some absolute jams and then they have some songs that are really

[00:28:05] pure fluff trash and if you want to hear one of these like fluff trash songs by soul decision

[00:28:12] check out the song gravity it is very bad so you know they can't all be they can't all be hits I

[00:28:20] guess but uh yeah they were basically they fell victim to a marketing plan that did not

[00:28:27] benefit them and they were misplaced in the world of boy bands and adolescent fandom

[00:28:33] so okay they they were good I wonder what those conversations were like when they were getting

[00:28:38] started and getting signed because I have a feeling like they wanted it's like exactly what you said

[00:28:44] they were not they didn't have pop hearts no you know they really wanted to not that pop isn't

[00:28:50] really like of course I'm a pop head but like it's very apparent that that's not they wanted

[00:28:55] to get their foot in the door by doing what you know what the man told them to do yeah and then be able

[00:29:00] to show a little bit more of their I guess deeper artistry and it just the timing I wonder if they

[00:29:06] had come out a little bit later or if they just stuck with it maybe if they would have stuck

[00:29:11] with it they could have rode the maroon five wave put out some put out something that was a little

[00:29:17] more adult and not targeted purely towards teens I guess may have may have benefited them they

[00:29:26] I mean faded is a serious jam like anyone can enjoy that so well let me let me propose this though

[00:29:34] because we already talked about one of the first things we talked about was the fact that they

[00:29:37] had to change the the lyric from take off all your clothes to move in nice and close

[00:29:42] so I wonder if they were trying to write adult jams and with everything happening with this

[00:29:50] manager telling them to change their name to soul decision and this that and the other thing

[00:29:54] that they were kind of retrofitted into the like teen pop thing and that the rest of their career

[00:30:03] was trying to get out of that hole I think they optimized an opportunity when an opportunity

[00:30:07] knocked and hoped that it would like I said be a foot in the door so they could display their

[00:30:12] artistry and their gifts in other ways later down the line it just never came to fruition

[00:30:19] because we were in the t rl age and then here comes Adam Levine yeah and also just so in this

[00:30:24] out there back to the ooh it's kind of crazy video there's nothing more embarrassing than a

[00:30:29] video about how big and famous you are when you end up not being that big

[00:30:39] I mean put any of us any of us three in that situation where you have this manager telling

[00:30:45] you do this you get signed to a label you're going on tour with instinct Christina Aguilera

[00:30:51] your videos on t rl put any of us in that situation in the year 2000 and yeah you take it

[00:30:57] and we're going to go for the ride yeah although I do have to say something in the year 2000

[00:31:03] I was 20 Matt was younger I mean regardless of what what age you are I do have to say this

[00:31:10] you guys might not realize this Trevor was 27 oh I think maybe maybe he could have known

[00:31:21] a little better now 27 still could be kind of an idiot here's the reverse though if you look on

[00:31:27] the Wikipedia page for a soul decision it says that they are years active were 1993 yeah so

[00:31:36] it may not have been anything more than I've been doing this for seven years and there's

[00:31:43] finally an opportunity exactly who am I to say no after seven years of doing this grind

[00:31:51] for something like this to show up like I think I think for him he looked at it as like

[00:31:57] I either take this deal or I accept that I'm just always going to be in like the most talented

[00:32:02] local bar band you know what I mean like yeah I got it here's what I here's what I'm going

[00:32:07] to call out soul decision I think you're a great band Trevor great singer Gary Francis manager Gary

[00:32:14] Francis you are the worst you had maroon five you basically had maroon five here you had a

[00:32:27] hot lead singer you had a guys who wrote great songs and played their own instruments you had it

[00:32:34] all right here and you let it slip away Gary Francis you dropped the ball you didn't know

[00:32:39] you didn't know I mean maybe he even gave the band the wrong name maybe maybe it wasn't the right

[00:32:45] name I don't know that's bad yeah yeah I maybe it should all stay lowercase that may have been

[00:32:54] there may have been a mistake that was the big decision hey one hit thunders thunder heads

[00:33:02] thunder buns all right I'll just go with one hit thunder listeners this is christa makes guitarist

[00:33:09] and vocalist for less than jake and host of christa makes a podcast a songwriting podcast where every

[00:33:14] week I'm joined by an amazing guest to break down the writing recording and release of one iconic

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[00:33:56] I learned a little more about trevor if you guys would like to know since

[00:34:00] since the breaking up of the band for some reason trevor after the band broke up got really

[00:34:05] into meeting world war two veterans and traveling for the 60th anniversary of d day he also started

[00:34:13] writing songs it didn't pertain to pop culture anymore um he made a comeback in the year 2013

[00:34:20] with a song called this is what it feels like with armin van buren now you can go check this

[00:34:26] song out it's pretty good it has 133 million youtube plays so trevor stepped into the edm world and then

[00:34:36] you know he's released a bunch of other edm songs a lot of times like teaming up with another

[00:34:42] artist he released a song a couple songs i really like both of them with summer in the title

[00:34:47] there's a song called summer time and then he has a song with an artist called hardwell

[00:34:52] called summer air they're both like edm they both have that thing where like you know the

[00:34:56] this the beat builds up doot doot doot doot doot doot doot doot doot doot doot doot

[00:35:02] they both have that thing you know but but yeah we're rocking out over here but

[00:35:10] but uh you know those kind of those kind of songs but they're pretty good that's not like

[00:35:16] necessarily my favorite style of music but they're pretty good for what they are

[00:35:21] so he's still making music i saw an interview with him from a few years back he still looks great

[00:35:27] you know he's still like a really good looking guy um and so yes that's where trevor trevor

[00:35:34] has gone the other guys i'm not i couldn't find anything about the other guys hopefully

[00:35:38] they're living they're living good lives uh this song you know faded i'm talking about

[00:35:45] the billboard year end hot 100 it was the 66th biggest song of 2000 according to that

[00:35:53] which leads me to a little game i have for you time if you'd like if you'd like to play a game

[00:36:00] um so you're not i have six questions here this is all based on the year end hot 100 for the year 2000

[00:36:10] okay i'm feeling pretty good about this jenna i saw you fist pumping for a lot of those songs

[00:36:14] that matt was naming earlier so i think this might be this might be a specialty area for you so

[00:36:21] so how are you gonna buzz in i don't know one of us says soul and the other one says decision

[00:36:27] yeah that's right yeah yeah uh matt you matt your soul jenna if you want to ring in with the answer

[00:36:34] you got to say decision if you know the answer buzz in maybe neither of you know the answers

[00:36:38] there's six questions so here we go these are all songs that were in the top 100 of the year 2000

[00:36:46] this song was the number 14 song of the year 2000 it was featured on a past episode of one hit

[00:36:52] thunder the writers of the song had to give credit to songwriters desmond child and drake drake

[00:36:59] go rosa for in turtle okay go ahead was this sisco the thong song oh you got it wow

[00:37:09] for livin the beat aloka right yeah livin la vita loca sisco at some point says livin la vita loca

[00:37:16] a good truck yeah absolutely yeah sorry jennai i i mean there's an advantage here of previous

[00:37:23] episodes mentioning that's true no i also i also weirdly that's true i would say nine times out of

[00:37:30] ten everything we learn on one hit thunder dumps out of my brain uh dumps like a truck when we even

[00:37:35] say but uh but for but for some reason that factoid i just was telling somebody about like a week

[00:37:42] ago where i was like just know sisco had to give writing credit to the guys who wrote livin the vita

[00:37:46] loca just for him singing livin the vita loca in the thong song yeah that is that is a real stretch

[00:37:53] of that too it's only one line livin la vita loca is there a stretch well i mean he does sing it to

[00:37:59] the exact melody exactly he follows the melody true that's true that's true man you're so for them i

[00:38:07] would want to get my point too yeah that's true that's true okay so matt's up one nothing

[00:38:13] this song was number 26 for the year 2000 this artist with a distinctive voice was featured on a

[00:38:22] past episode of one hit thunder and the song won the 2001 grammy for best female pop vocal performance

[00:38:31] go ahead is it i try macy graves you got it boom that is it i didn't want to be the person who buzzed

[00:38:37] in before the question was over again nice job jenay you got it what what got was it the distinctive

[00:38:44] voice absolutely and the chart top edge yeah macy yeah macy i wish anyway that's a whole other

[00:38:52] conversation yeah macy yeah i i love macy thinks she should have had a bigger career she got a little

[00:38:57] iffy she got a little iffy the last couple years with some opinions but you know she's always

[00:39:03] in her own person yeah true that's true true uh okay this is way to explain what it was yeah

[00:39:12] all right we're at one one okay you two are doing good all right oh i feel like somebody's

[00:39:19] gonna get this one this song was number 29 for the year 2000 and the music video features the

[00:39:26] artist performing in front of several key landmarks across st louis such as the gateway arch and

[00:39:33] love so lafayette square okay go ahead was it nelly country grammar you got it yes oh man

[00:39:43] you guys are on fire i thought i was worried that tooth neither of you are gonna get these

[00:39:48] but okay no no two thousands is your your hidden my exact i was a freshman in college there was

[00:39:53] nothing to do but watch music videos okay here we go matt's up two one you got three to go

[00:40:02] this song which was number 40 for the year 2000 included na na nas as an ode to one of the songs

[00:40:10] songwriters favorite bands the ramones early demos of the song even listed it as ramones style song

[00:40:20] and the original working title of the track was baby cakes butter muffin shit okay

[00:40:30] na na na's ramones inspired so i'm thinking it was a punk band can you read the question again

[00:40:39] while i'm thinking about this this song which was number 40 for the year 2000 included na na

[00:40:46] as an ode to one of the songwriters favorite bands the ramones early demos of the song even

[00:40:53] listed it as ramones style song and the original working title of the track was baby cakes butter

[00:41:00] muffin i'm trying to think of what punk songs would have been out oh oh um i don't know the

[00:41:15] soul matt's saying soul was this um blink 182 all the small things it was

[00:41:23] all right matt's up three one i was hung up on green day and i'm like wait no this was this was

[00:41:28] blink this was the blink time matt got you again we're in the same brain jenna we're

[00:41:38] yeah jenna jenna got a hope for the tie now she got to play for the tie okay this song

[00:41:46] which was number 51 for the year 2000 had a music video in which actress and comedian

[00:41:53] kathy griffin appears as an attending nurse in a psychiatric ward see it so clearly in my head

[00:42:10] too wait a minute i i can't even see the video i'm trying to think 2000 it was the number 51

[00:42:16] song of the year also remind me where was faded on the overall chart 66 so okay so still bigger than

[00:42:23] faded yeah all the songs i'm all the songs i'm listing are bigger than faded uh i might have to tap

[00:42:36] out on this one i don't know because i can see it in my head i can see her and like i can see it i

[00:42:43] can see it but i don't remember what video that was i think we got a good time yeah i don't know it

[00:42:50] that was the real slim shady by m&m oh god damn it yes she was god damn it she's just throwing the

[00:42:58] pills into random cups i just assumed it was so here's my problem when you read that my immediate

[00:43:05] thought was like the video must stop for her to do some like routine or something like you

[00:43:10] know how like that would be like a thing in videos where the song would just stop and there'd be like

[00:43:15] a short little 30 second sketch well speaking of that speaking of that we'll still do

[00:43:21] matt won whatever big deal but we'll let we'll let jenay have a chance to get a little bit

[00:43:27] closer we got one left this song which was number 55 for the year 2000 features a bridge

[00:43:35] with spoken dialogue which references the hit 1997 film titanic oh so all right matt what is it

[00:43:48] it's britney spear zoops i did it again yeah you got it sorry we sorry you brought you on the

[00:43:54] show that so matt could completely dominate you should that's fine if we played as well if we

[00:43:59] played clips of a song we may have a better game yeah that's true listen all i'm gonna say

[00:44:05] is for those diehard listeners out there i would love to know what my uh what my win lost tie

[00:44:12] record is on this show okay well we've reached that point in the show jenay we'll let you start

[00:44:22] soul decision did they bring the one hit thunder or was this a one hit blunder

[00:44:26] yeah i don't care what anybody says they brought the thunder yeah yeah okay i'm actually gonna agree

[00:44:33] like like i said i didn't even really know this song until it was picked i immediately loved it and

[00:44:39] added it to a playlist and every like you said they've got a lot of bops for they have more

[00:44:46] usually when we do something like one hit thunder our takeaway is like this is the only real song

[00:44:52] that they had to use for promotional purposes anyway but i don't think that's the case with

[00:44:57] soul decision i think that it was just mismanagement at the end of the day they they had enough

[00:45:03] they had enough songs that we shouldn't that were good enough that we shouldn't be talking

[00:45:07] about them on this podcast um if if they were in the hands of the correct manager

[00:45:12] is is what my takeaway is so i would say thunder for sure people should check out the first

[00:45:16] soul decision album for for sure they're gonna if you like fade it you'll find songs that you like

[00:45:21] on that album let me see if i could make it a clean sweep and a certification here i gotta

[00:45:28] so i like this song from the first time i heard it i heard a decade after the fact and still

[00:45:33] liked it and it became part of my everyday playlist um when i look at their career i do tend

[00:45:41] to think these guys were a little bit of quitters as is sometimes a check in the uh negative column

[00:45:50] for a group but at this point it just seemed like things weren't going well for them there was

[00:45:58] a big gap and i don't know what sort of law stuff was involved they got apparently they left

[00:46:04] it says they left universal i don't know what that means and then it took four years with

[00:46:09] these guys being songwriters and musicians it probably shouldn't have taken them especially with

[00:46:13] the momentum that they had that long to to make their next album i'm assuming they had the funds

[00:46:20] and this was a full-time endeavor for them so that was that was a problem there and i think

[00:46:25] that maybe by then maybe life just caught up with them finance is caught up with them and uh

[00:46:31] yeah can i make a devil's advocate argument sure for both of those things actually three

[00:46:36] i have a three full devil's advocate for you first of all i wouldn't call them quitters

[00:46:41] for two reasons reason number one trevor did just continue to do music solo now the other two guys

[00:46:47] who knows but two we've joked about this before unlike most other bands there really isn't like

[00:46:55] a place to keep going as a boy band that's not on a record label like okay you know like

[00:47:01] there's not like open night mic like open mic night for boy bands at like clubs so the station

[00:47:08] wasn't going to sign to epitaph or vagrant or something like yeah exactly there's not like a

[00:47:12] there's not like a little league boy band option and honestly with what you're saying and this is

[00:47:18] just speculation because we don't have evidence for it i'm wondering if the album that they put

[00:47:24] out in 2005 was an album that they wrote years earlier that universal was giving them pushback

[00:47:29] on and that's why they left universal yeah because that could always we know that we've heard stories

[00:47:35] about that with even bands that we're friends with you know i mean like i'm pretty sure that was

[00:47:39] the case with wheatus that they wrote a whole album brought it to the label and the label said

[00:47:43] we don't want to put this out and they had to like work out getting out of that contract to just

[00:47:47] release the album themselves at that point right i think there there's a strong possibility

[00:47:53] you're right about that and uh yeah so i can't really hold that against them and also like if you

[00:48:00] got years and years and by the time you can get back on the road and play your thing your momentum

[00:48:06] has almost come to a stop and you gotta start from scratch and these guys at this point they're

[00:48:11] in their 30s they are so yeah one guy was just like fuck it i'm just gonna hang out with my buddy

[00:48:17] ryan for a little bit and write some new cheats yeah i'm just gonna get i'm just gonna get right into

[00:48:24] world war two veterans which sounds like something you do in your 30s that is absolutely i was gonna

[00:48:31] say that's the most 30s decision i've ever heard of my life i thunder i'm going yeah thunder i'm

[00:48:40] going thunder this is a so that means it's a clean sweep of thunders certified thunder

[00:48:46] for soul decision they got to look for their certification in the mail jane you've been a

[00:48:52] really fun guest i hope that you'll come back again will you come back again sometime absolutely

[00:48:58] i'm coming back for this title i'm mad about this game it was slanted a little bit it was

[00:49:06] okay i'm coming back well you know what chris chris didn't know chris didn't know how much you

[00:49:11] could bring to the table so now he's got to make it extra hard yeah he's like all right we're

[00:49:14] doing two thousands but it's going to be like super fan two thousands well before we leave jane do you

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