Interview With "Blood For Dust" Actor Scoot McNairy

[00:00:00] You are listening to the Next Best Picture Podcast, and this is my interview with the star for the film Blood for Dust, Scoot McNary.

[00:00:30] I'll try. All I need is something that pays.

[00:00:36] I didn't think you'd call me.

[00:00:39] Risks?

[00:00:41] Getting caught.

[00:00:42] How much?

[00:00:43] Alright everyone, I'm being joined here on the Next Best Picture Podcast by one of my favorite actors working today, Scoot McNary.

[00:00:50] Scoot, first of all, man, how are you today?

[00:00:53] I'm good. I'm good, Matt. How are you? Thanks for having me on your on the show.

[00:00:57] Yeah, man. Absolutely. I've been wanting to talk to you.

[00:01:00] I'm not kidding when I say this for, I think, well now over 10 years since you had that surge in your career in the early 2010s.

[00:01:09] We've been keeping our eye on you ever since and every project that you do because quite frankly, I just find you to be one of the best character actors that we have working today.

[00:01:20] Jeez, Matt, that's a really, you're very kind. That's a very nice compliment.

[00:01:26] I don't know what to say to that. I feel really lucky and blessed to be having opportunities or being able to work.

[00:01:35] But yeah, man, it's been awesome, man. I feel really lucky.

[00:01:39] You know what I mean? It's a tough industry, tough business.

[00:01:42] So I feel very, very stoked to be just working at the end of the day.

[00:01:48] No, I really feel like your presence adds so much.

[00:01:52] Whether it's like a one scene moment and something like Gone Girl or in this case here with Blood for Dust where you are the lead of the film.

[00:02:01] I'm curious to know what is it for you that draws you into a role?

[00:02:05] Is it what's written on the page itself, the character acting opposite of our actors, the director?

[00:02:12] Like what pulls you in because you've done big budget films, small budget films, lead roles, supporting roles.

[00:02:18] Curious to know where your mind goes.

[00:02:20] That's a really great question, Matt.

[00:02:25] I guess I can't really answer that question, but I guess I could kind of lend to.

[00:02:31] I am a story junkie. I love stories.

[00:02:35] I love really good stories.

[00:02:36] I love stories that punch you in the gut and I love stories that punch you in the face.

[00:02:40] And when I read something that's really good, I just get in this place where I just want to be a part of it.

[00:02:46] I just want to be a part of that story.

[00:02:48] And sometimes that falls as one scene and I'm just as excited about that as I would be, you know,

[00:02:57] a bigger supporting role or leading role.

[00:02:59] But ideally, I just fall in love with the story that's being told and I just want to be a part of it wherever I can fit in.

[00:03:08] And that's I feel like in the last, you know, whatever 10, 15 years is mostly what I've been chasing is really like scripts that, you know,

[00:03:16] maybe not everyone likes, but they're really personal to me or I really there's something about them that I really enjoy that.

[00:03:22] I just I mean, sometimes it's just a line that I just want to say.

[00:03:27] I did a film fairyland and there's a great script, great story.

[00:03:33] But essentially, I fell in love with it based on one scene.

[00:03:36] You know, I just really, really loved this one scene that I wanted to do.

[00:03:41] So it's different every every everyone's there's also a lot of movies that I want that I don't get or stories that I would that I want to get into that that I don't.

[00:03:51] So I mean, that's why I say I'm really lucky and really happy to be to be working and working on some of the projects that I get to work on.

[00:03:58] Absolutely. And your career also goes beyond just the big screen, but you also are very extensive in your television work as well.

[00:04:05] So I always see you working like constantly.

[00:04:08] And from what I'm hearing, the way you describe it, like you're just like an ace utility player,

[00:04:14] like wherever you need to be for the story to work, you're happy to lend yourself over to the director's vision in that case.

[00:04:21] Yeah, I mean, I've been even been in positions where I've like had to step out of the movie to get some other actor in there that will get the financing to get the role.

[00:04:30] I mean, sometimes I'll just bail on the film just because I want to see the movie get made, you know, or based on casting or financing or whatnot.

[00:04:39] But yeah, I don't know.

[00:04:43] I don't know.

[00:04:43] I just feel, you know, blood for dust was something that came from Rod Blackhurst.

[00:04:51] I think he had he had David Gordon Green had introduced the two of us years before we made the movie.

[00:04:58] And he had sent me something that I really liked.

[00:05:00] It was a really good story.

[00:05:02] I don't think I fit really well into the role.

[00:05:05] And then later I watched his Amanda Knox documentary that I just thought was really clever and really well done and really well executed.

[00:05:14] Then I phoned him back up and asked him if he had anything else.

[00:05:17] And he said, I had this thing, blood for dust.

[00:05:20] It took us about three or four years to get it off the ground.

[00:05:25] And, you know, Rod is really diligent.

[00:05:28] I mean, super hard worker.

[00:05:30] He's constantly he's constantly working and constantly busy as well.

[00:05:33] So it took us a while.

[00:05:34] And I think Josh Lucas coming on, which was a huge deal.

[00:05:38] And I had known Josh personally, but been watching him for years.

[00:05:42] And then Kit Harrington comes on, you know, John Snow.

[00:05:45] And you're just like, you know, and he just really kicked it into overdrive.

[00:05:49] So, you know, we were just so fortunate to be able to, you know, put the film together and get it made.

[00:05:55] Yeah. Did you always read for Cliff or was there any of a role that you were considered for amongst the script?

[00:06:03] I mean, I think I told I really liked Cliff.

[00:06:07] But I mean, I think I had those a time I told Rod like, look, if you know, I can play Ricky, I could play Cliff.

[00:06:13] You know, Ricky is something I feels like it's a little bit in my wheelhouse.

[00:06:18] And Cliff seemed not.

[00:06:19] And so I liked Cliff a lot better.

[00:06:22] But, you know, but Kit came in and just knocked and he did such a great job.

[00:06:26] Just knock, knock that Ricky roll out of the out of the park.

[00:06:29] And so now, you know, after seeing him do it, I couldn't imagine myself playing in or anyone else.

[00:06:35] Well, I believe there's also a line of dialogue in the film, too,

[00:06:37] that remarks that you are exactly the type of person that no one would suspect to be in the position that you're in.

[00:06:44] So in a way, it kind of benefits to that maybe this role was one that you're drawn to,

[00:06:50] but maybe not one necessarily that people would go, yeah, Scoot McNary for that particular role.

[00:06:56] Yeah, it was the story.

[00:06:57] But also, you know, I really wanted to see what Rod, the Blackhurst, the filmmaker,

[00:07:02] I really wanted to see what he was going to do with it.

[00:07:06] You know, sometimes, you know, you just you there are certain parts

[00:07:10] of a story that may escalate or lag or whatnot.

[00:07:13] But, you know, a filmmaker can come in and really build suspense around things

[00:07:18] that look, you know, flat on a page or, you know, mundane.

[00:07:22] And so I was really interested to see and also Justin Derry, the DP

[00:07:25] that he was working and working with these guys, all of them, the production designer,

[00:07:29] they all work together all the time.

[00:07:31] So it was a really tight knit group.

[00:07:33] So, you know, it's just really cool to see what what they put together.

[00:07:37] You know what I mean?

[00:07:40] Just to see what this see what all these guys do.

[00:07:43] Yeah. Well, this has been described as breaking bad meets Fargo.

[00:07:47] And when you hear like, you know, a comparison such as that to describe this,

[00:07:52] do you think that that is on the on point or like what's your like feelings towards that?

[00:07:59] I think the film is unique.

[00:08:01] And I think that we draw parallels to help understand things.

[00:08:05] But I think that every even all three of those projects are all individually

[00:08:11] just unique in their in their own way.

[00:08:14] And I think worlds clash, sometimes characters clash.

[00:08:19] But I mean, I never, you know, go into a pro.

[00:08:23] I mean, you know, it's this movie meets that movie.

[00:08:27] It feels like it's more for the sales and the finance people.

[00:08:30] But in my head, I always go into it thinking this is unique.

[00:08:33] It's different. It's, you know, I do like to look for projects

[00:08:37] that aren't repeating like there's something new about them, you know,

[00:08:41] or a new take on it or a new angle.

[00:08:44] And so, yeah, I mean, that's, you know, I don't know, just look at

[00:08:49] I'm just looking for something new and fresh, you know, and this team that he brought,

[00:08:54] you know, and I mean, really put together something new and fresh.

[00:08:57] And it does lend itself to the world of Fargo for sure.

[00:09:02] And also a little bit of the breaking bad.

[00:09:04] But I think that those two movies and TV shows are stand alone,

[00:09:10] you know, incredible, incredible filmmaking and storytelling.

[00:09:15] Yeah. One of the things that I was particularly struck by

[00:09:18] when I was watching this movie and you've already spoke so highly of Rod,

[00:09:22] his control over tone and pacing of this movie, I think is just really gripping.

[00:09:27] And I found myself really being drawn into the world, the characters,

[00:09:33] like you said, and even though it's not like how would I say,

[00:09:38] maybe as like pulse pounding as maybe some of those shows like we just mentioned

[00:09:42] at times, it definitely is, I would say, a slow build to getting where it gets to.

[00:09:48] But there's just such mastery of control.

[00:09:51] Was that something that you felt on set?

[00:09:55] For sure.

[00:09:56] You know, Rod would always say, you know, you come up with an idea,

[00:09:59] hey, what if we did this or what that?

[00:10:01] And, you know, sometimes you'd be like, OK, yeah, let's try it.

[00:10:03] But most of the time he was like, well, that's just not the film language.

[00:10:06] So like he was very much, you know,

[00:10:11] composing and controlling that pace and wanting things to be slow, slow, slow,

[00:10:17] slow burning.

[00:10:18] I think, you know, after a couple of days of shooting,

[00:10:21] you sort of pick up on that tone or something and then try and, you know,

[00:10:25] you know, use it or work it to your advantage, you know?

[00:10:28] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:10:30] I know you mentioned Kit Harrington earlier, like you said, acting opposite

[00:10:33] the king in the north himself.

[00:10:36] What is that like seeing him as such a recognizable character

[00:10:41] that we watched for over a decade on television act opposite you

[00:10:45] in this completely different role?

[00:10:47] I mean, like utterly transformed from what we have grown accustomed

[00:10:51] to seeing him in.

[00:10:52] Like, what is that like?

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[00:12:06] It was awesome. I'm not going to lie.

[00:12:08] Seeing Kit come in and do this character and do it so well,

[00:12:14] you know, you're also kind of like, oh, this this movie is really going to work,

[00:12:17] you know, now having this piece.

[00:12:18] But Kit's an amazing actor to begin with, you know,

[00:12:24] I'm always floored or one of the favorite things about this job

[00:12:29] is seeing an actor come in and do something and like, you know, blow you away.

[00:12:33] Because we as actors get front row seats, you know,

[00:12:37] we get to look them right in the eye.

[00:12:38] So some of those performances you get to see it's like it's a front row seat.

[00:12:44] Actors always constantly impress me.

[00:12:47] It's one of the coolest thing about the job is seeing what an actor will

[00:12:51] come in and see him with the whole brain, you know, just as mesmerizing as

[00:12:55] you say it is watching it.

[00:12:57] It's it's the same as me working opposite of him.

[00:13:00] I was just really glad that he came on and did the movie.

[00:13:03] Yeah. What would you say was probably the most memorable day on set for you

[00:13:08] while working on this project?

[00:13:10] Um, man, those we had a lot of fun on this project.

[00:13:13] I'm not going to lie.

[00:13:16] Most memorable day was probably a couple of snow storms

[00:13:21] that really just sucked us in.

[00:13:23] And we just, you know, it was about a three or four hour delay in the morning

[00:13:26] with some thing we broke a bridge that we had to drive the car over.

[00:13:30] That was a big setback.

[00:13:33] But mostly just us just out there in the cold kid.

[00:13:38] Kid opted out for these cowboy boots.

[00:13:41] He's like, I want these cowboy boots.

[00:13:43] And the first two days, he was like, I think I made a mistake fighting

[00:13:47] for these cowboy boots because my feet, I can't feel my toes.

[00:13:51] And, you know, of course, I'm wearing some Sorrell's, you know,

[00:13:53] my feet are nice and warm and cozy anyways.

[00:13:56] And so, you know, just that whole time it was just funny and be like,

[00:13:59] oh, these damn boots, my toes, I can't feel, which is ironic to me

[00:14:04] because, you know, some of those conditions,

[00:14:07] of course they were geared up for those conditions they worked on

[00:14:10] on game of thrones was he was telling me, yeah, he was just telling me

[00:14:14] he have no idea that was just days that it was just unsafe to be out there.

[00:14:18] It was just so cold.

[00:14:20] Yeah, no, I can imagine such one of the things too that particularly

[00:14:24] struck me about this movie, too, is.

[00:14:28] When it comes to your performance, like the interiority of this character

[00:14:32] and what he is dealing with, it's relatable to us as an audience.

[00:14:35] Average guy caught up in desperate circumstances, turns to

[00:14:40] a world that we know is wrong, but he feels that he can find a way through.

[00:14:45] What would you say, like in regards to just.

[00:14:49] Portraying characters who have that

[00:14:51] relatability, but do push themselves to the brink is something that

[00:14:56] like as a society, like I know that for us as viewers,

[00:15:01] it's not like we would make these decisions or at least hopefully most of us, right?

[00:15:06] But it's something that I feel when I watch your character in this movie.

[00:15:10] I know, I know.

[00:15:13] You know, also, too, when we were making this movie was the back end of pandemic.

[00:15:17] I mean, it was very it was very much like people and even now,

[00:15:21] like people are struggling, you know, with the economy or prices

[00:15:25] and inflation and whatnot. So it did the film and at the time didn't feel

[00:15:31] the character at the time didn't feel too far off from a lot of

[00:15:34] people being able to relate to it.

[00:15:36] Right.

[00:15:37] An average guy that's just fallen on hard times and is doing whatever he has

[00:15:42] to do to support his family.

[00:15:44] And I think that that's a through line that many people can can relate to

[00:15:49] that have been in this position, you know, maybe they don't do something

[00:15:52] as far as running drugs or, you know, fire firearms.

[00:15:56] But but that feeling of feeling like I have no way out.

[00:16:02] I have no other choices.

[00:16:03] I think is a very universal feeling, especially during this,

[00:16:08] you know, last couple of years or so in your world as an actor,

[00:16:12] it would be taking a film role to just pay the bills.

[00:16:16] Totally, which, you know, we all we all do, you know, and yeah.

[00:16:21] Speaking of other film roles, I saw a fairy land at the World

[00:16:25] Premier at Sundance. Oh, nice.

[00:16:27] What? Yeah.

[00:16:28] What is the status of that film's release?

[00:16:30] I need to know. Do you know at this time?

[00:16:32] I, you know, I hear that it will come out this year.

[00:16:38] As far as the logistics of those details or what,

[00:16:40] I'm probably not the best person to speak about it.

[00:16:43] But yeah, they I don't know the ins and outs of it.

[00:16:47] There was some back and forth and whatnot.

[00:16:48] But I'm really, really excited for it to come out.

[00:16:51] And and Andrew Durham is really excited because the filmmaker

[00:16:56] we're all really excited for it to get its release.

[00:16:59] So I think those are some kinks that they had to work out.

[00:17:01] But it definitely should be coming out this year.

[00:17:03] And I think we're all really excited for everyone to see it

[00:17:06] because it's such a powerful story.

[00:17:08] Yeah. And another film that premiered at Tribeca last year,

[00:17:11] alongside Blood for Dust, The Line, another one that I very much enjoyed.

[00:17:16] I was like, man, I'm getting double

[00:17:18] Scutemate neary here during Tribeca this year.

[00:17:20] This is amazing.

[00:17:21] But that was another gripping film.

[00:17:23] Is that one too? To your knowledge coming out soon?

[00:17:26] I believe so.

[00:17:27] I believe that one is in the throws of a distribution.

[00:17:31] I imagine the sag strike sort of kicked everything back like six months.

[00:17:36] And so, you know, it's really as far as distribution of both those films,

[00:17:40] it's really wouldn't be that far off if you take out that,

[00:17:43] you know, June to December date that we had last year

[00:17:46] that kind of held things up.

[00:17:48] Sure. Sure. No, that makes a lot of sense too.

[00:17:51] And you got obviously other films coming out later on this year

[00:17:55] with Speak No Evil and Night Bitch particularly.

[00:18:00] But like both of those for different reasons,

[00:18:03] we're just obviously looking forward to seeing your work in both of them.

[00:18:07] The trailer for Speak No Evil just recently dropped.

[00:18:09] I've seen the original.

[00:18:10] I know what people are in store for that one.

[00:18:14] Dude, this was so good.

[00:18:16] Oh my God, it was seriously the most visceral reaction

[00:18:19] I've ever had to watching a movie.

[00:18:20] I was so angry when that film was over, but in a good way.

[00:18:25] Yeah, me as well.

[00:18:27] And the filmmaker, the Danish filmmaker, he did a fantastic job on it.

[00:18:32] I was really surprised that they were remaking it

[00:18:35] because I thought it was done so well.

[00:18:36] But after having read the screenplay or the James Watkins had written

[00:18:42] and also I was able to see the film,

[00:18:45] it's similar themes, but a completely different film.

[00:18:48] And I just I'm really excited for it to come out to us.

[00:18:51] It's a great cast.

[00:18:53] We had so much fun working on great producers on it.

[00:18:56] It's another it's a Blumhouse film.

[00:18:58] And so that's the first time I was able to work with them.

[00:19:00] And, you know, all in all, like I'm I think it's October around it comes out.

[00:19:05] So and then Night Bitch,

[00:19:08] I don't think they've released a release date yet or if they have December 6th.

[00:19:13] There you go.

[00:19:14] I didn't know if I wasn't allowed to say that or not.

[00:19:15] They didn't want to get in trouble.

[00:19:17] So yeah, December 6th, that should come out.

[00:19:19] And again, Mari Heller,

[00:19:23] filmmaker I've been wanting to work with a long time.

[00:19:25] She's amazing.

[00:19:26] She put together a very interesting, unique

[00:19:30] film or story that I don't feel like we've seen before.

[00:19:33] And Amy Adams is.

[00:19:36] Absolutely flawless in this.

[00:19:37] I wouldn't be surprised if she gets

[00:19:41] both of them for screen adaptation, directing

[00:19:45] and acting for her for some nominations.

[00:19:48] I mean, she's really, really, really incredible.

[00:19:50] And well, we got to focus on you, man.

[00:19:52] We got to get you some nominations and some wins too out there.

[00:19:55] You know, I mean, I'm just happy to be working.

[00:19:58] You know, I want to be greedy.

[00:20:01] Yeah, I don't blame you for that.

[00:20:03] I don't truly I don't.

[00:20:04] But I mean, you've been a part, I know of a couple of

[00:20:08] of a SAG awarding, a SAG award winning ensembles with Argo.

[00:20:12] You were nominated with 12 years of slave and such.

[00:20:14] But who knows?

[00:20:15] Maybe maybe this will be the year of Scoot

[00:20:17] McNary when it comes to the award season trail.

[00:20:19] You never know.

[00:20:20] Yeah, you never know.

[00:20:21] No, you don't.

[00:20:22] Does that is that something that like matters to you?

[00:20:25] Do you like think about that ever in terms of like, oh,

[00:20:28] hearing your name get called out for a nomination or two?

[00:20:32] That's a really great question.

[00:20:34] I mean, of course, it's always nice to be recognized by your peers

[00:20:39] for the work that you're doing.

[00:20:41] And I think that that really probably means more so to

[00:20:45] the people in the business than anything.

[00:20:47] But I mean, it's definitely not something I'm striving for,

[00:20:50] you know, and I don't think that you, I don't know.

[00:20:54] I don't think that you can strive for it.

[00:20:56] I think that, you know, those awards

[00:20:58] or these great performances are usually lightning in a bottle

[00:21:01] where everything sort of lines up with the right character,

[00:21:04] the right role, the right time on the right theme,

[00:21:07] everything.

[00:21:08] And so I have just as much fun on the set

[00:21:12] is whether it's a, you know, big award thing film

[00:21:17] or like just a little independent

[00:21:19] that maybe only 500 people will see, you know?

[00:21:22] It's all the same. Yeah.

[00:21:24] Yeah. And a complete unknown.

[00:21:27] Are you done filming that

[00:21:28] or do you still have days left for shooting on that?

[00:21:31] I still have a little bit of work left on that.

[00:21:34] Yeah.

[00:21:35] Okay. That's cool.

[00:21:36] How's that coming along?

[00:21:38] It's great.

[00:21:40] Again, James Mangold has been on my list for

[00:21:43] Right.

[00:21:44] a long, long time.

[00:21:46] Not to mention to, you know, work with Timothy

[00:21:51] and work with some of this cast

[00:21:53] and the characters that they put together.

[00:21:54] Again, it was one of those moments

[00:21:55] of like you're just kind of jaw dropped

[00:21:57] at what these actors bring to the table

[00:21:59] and it's just mesmerizing to watch it,

[00:22:02] you know, in a front row.

[00:22:05] Are you playing a real life character

[00:22:06] or a composite character or?

[00:22:08] I, I could,

[00:22:10] just probably all I can say,

[00:22:11] I am playing a real life character.

[00:22:14] I don't know how much that

[00:22:15] I noticed that they've kept it under wraps.

[00:22:17] So I'm just, you know, if they kept it under

[00:22:19] I wait till somebody else

[00:22:21] Yeah.

[00:22:21] spot information before I do

[00:22:22] because I'll probably get it wrong.

[00:22:26] That's all right.

[00:22:26] That's all right.

[00:22:27] I was just, I just saw that you didn't have a name

[00:22:28] attached to all this curious,

[00:22:30] but that's totally fine.

[00:22:31] Well, I love hearing that you're busy.

[00:22:33] I love hearing that you're in demand.

[00:22:34] I love hearing too that you're happy

[00:22:35] to be working with filmmakers who,

[00:22:37] like you said, you have a list

[00:22:38] and I just appreciate,

[00:22:41] like I said, just seeing you over the years

[00:22:43] just continue to evolve and grow

[00:22:45] and no matter the scale of the project, man,

[00:22:47] you always just bring your A game.

[00:22:49] Hey, thanks so much,

[00:22:50] much Matthew.

[00:22:51] I appreciate that.

[00:22:52] Look, as I said,

[00:22:53] I feel like I've been in the bonus round for 15 years.

[00:22:57] It's all been just a wild ride

[00:22:59] and I'm just so grateful

[00:23:01] and we'll have to remind myself

[00:23:04] oh, don't take this for granted.

[00:23:05] Don't take this for granted.

[00:23:07] So I'm really, really,

[00:23:10] thank you for all those kinds words.

[00:23:12] That's really kind of you.

[00:23:13] Of course.

[00:23:14] Well, for our listeners out there,

[00:23:16] Scoot Big Neri stars in Blood for Dust,

[00:23:18] which is going to be released April 19th

[00:23:20] from the Avenue.

[00:23:22] It is a small film.

[00:23:23] It definitely needs your support.

[00:23:24] Please check it out.

[00:23:26] Scoot is fantastic in it

[00:23:28] as well as the king in the north himself,

[00:23:29] Kit Harrington and a few others.

[00:23:31] Scoot, thank you so much for your time here today.

[00:23:33] Matthew, thank you so much for your time.

[00:23:35] Great interview.

[00:23:35] I really enjoyed talking with you.

[00:23:37] All right, man. Take care.

[00:23:38] Take care.

[00:23:39] Hey, everyone.

[00:23:40] Thank you so much for listening to my interview

[00:23:41] with the star for the film Blood for Dust.

[00:23:43] Scoot, McNeri here on the next best picture podcast.

[00:23:47] Blood for Dust will be released in theaters

[00:23:49] by the Avenue on April 19th.

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