Ep 225- Murder Mubarak and Anweshippin Kandethum Review

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[00:00:48] And welcome to a new episode of Khandaan Podcast. My name is Asim Bernie and I'm joined with my lovely

[00:00:54] co-host Amrita in Sujoy. Hey, Amrita. Hey, Sujoy. Hey there everybody. Hello.

[00:01:00] Sujoy, you're looking very speppy today. What does that mean? It looks nice and I've said like

[00:01:06] before it means Sujoy took a shower. That's what I'm saying. I had to wake me up because today has been

[00:01:14] yeah, I'm recording this with a very active hangover with some ginger tea so we'll find out

[00:01:19] how this episode goes. Yeah, okay good. Let's start with an email then.

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[00:03:13] you know I was listening to this podcast and they said. I thought people were getting dumber

[00:03:19] listening to it actually getting smart and listening to it. We have a very few smart ones,

[00:03:24] you know which movie that we haven't covered that you would like us to cover. She mentions Raju

[00:03:31] Van Gha gentleman. It's one of my top SRK movies and I would really love for you guys to discuss

[00:03:37] it perhaps with a guest Aditya Shukrishna who was on the Kabihar Kabina episode.

[00:03:42] Yeah that's been a while we should get that back on. What other activities would you like more

[00:03:48] or specifically for Patreon only? She has a lot of suggestions. I would love to hear more essays

[00:03:54] around Rita and more make steps from Sujoy. Okay. She don't want to hear from me at all YouTube.

[00:04:04] Lot of homework for both me and Amrita. I also enjoy the recommendation posts of what you guys are

[00:04:10] currently watching. I would love if you could recommend movies from other languages in Patreon posts

[00:04:16] and not episodes from maybe the 80s and 90s, money-rat in the movies or other Malayalam ones that

[00:04:22] would be lovely as I didn't grow up watching those and would love to catch up. Like many others

[00:04:27] have said I too would like for the focus to be more on Khan movies rather than every release that

[00:04:32] comes out because I enjoy those episodes much more. Lastly I wonder if you could do a summer special

[00:04:38] of Irfan Khan movies. We've got so many people getting back to us also our Ramjani last time,

[00:04:47] you know like the few movies we've done recently they just love the older Khan movies and this

[00:04:52] is literally feedback that we got from our listeners from Patreon and otherwise that we should

[00:04:57] like focus more on those. So I'm glad people are enjoying that and it's kind of you know getting

[00:05:02] back to our poor brand. Yeah, Samyuta in your honor I'm eating like Umani Halwa that I ordered

[00:05:11] off Instagram of some like a random store in the middle of Kerala, apparently where they you

[00:05:18] know they make it and I'm eating it and it's delicious so you know cheers. Also I would love

[00:05:26] to make a Patreon post recommending Malayalam movies from the 80s and 90s because those were

[00:05:33] two really amazing years for Malayalam cinema but the problem is that subtitles. Like there are

[00:05:44] very few Malayalam movies of that era with any subtitles but even the subtitles that there are

[00:05:52] are really terrible. There's like entire scenes go by without any subtitles and there's this like

[00:05:59] one word and it's like no, you could understand even without a subtitle. So there's no point in me

[00:06:09] like telling you that unless you are ready to watch a movie without subtitles which is great except

[00:06:17] some of the best movies that came out of Malayalam in those years were comedies for which you really

[00:06:22] do need subtitles. So yeah, I do because I've been watching more Mahonalan movies they've been

[00:06:32] recommended more on the algorithm and these older ones look really rough. I'm like what is this?

[00:06:38] Like how do I navigate that you know like I want to go back because I watched I'm watching some of

[00:06:44] them now but I'd also like to maybe see some of them in their prime and I was like wow this looks

[00:06:50] really really rough like the image and the poster it's like super old school you know. So yeah

[00:06:56] I never even check if they have subtitles. I mean the Malayalam movies that are made today they look

[00:07:02] super polished but they're made on like a fraction of a fraction of the budget of a bodywood movie

[00:07:08] or even a Telugu movie or a Tamil movie but back in the day they were probably made for like

[00:07:14] I don't know like my monthly salary or something you know it's not it's not all money

[00:07:22] so yeah you have to really understand the language to watch those movies from back then I'm afraid.

[00:07:32] And like even with investment from you know channels like Asia and at which sort of buys these

[00:07:38] movies are movie archives probably like in bulk forever perhaps you know there is no money put

[00:07:44] into the restoration because all of these were you know shot on film back in the day and there

[00:07:49] is no restoration to digital so it all sort of sits like in tapes which is put on you know broadcast

[00:07:57] on the Asian channels and none of them have subtitles and all the images still that you know

[00:08:04] film being captured into a tape so it's like terrible it still looks like analog.

[00:08:11] Also let's forget this whole thing about Malayalam movies is so recent

[00:08:18] like it was literally during the pandemic that the rest of India discovered Malayalam movies

[00:08:22] and started watching them until then like you know it was just very like potsy proud that it

[00:08:29] was just like watching it. What would you say that the movie sort of that started this you know

[00:08:37] that broke through? I think it was Kumbalangi nights because I remember when it came out and like

[00:08:43] everybody all of a sudden had a PhD on Malayalam cinema and like all the Malayalis were just like

[00:08:49] what is happening? Everybody was just like oh my god like do you know Kumbalangi?

[00:08:57] yes it's like this tiny little fishing village outside of Anakalam and yeah so I honestly think

[00:09:05] it's Pushpa and then people just got confused. I think that's what happened. They were the Malayalam

[00:09:11] double Pushpa and then they were just like oh maybe it's my time to move.

[00:09:15] Yeah, it's a friend of our podcast Rajas and sort of wrote how the the Northification of South

[00:09:26] India recently I haven't read the full article but that's probably it you know

[00:09:31] and in entire north just confusing. It's just south and okay this is me with the analytics

[00:09:38] mind and like the content creator mind you know it's already very hard for a podcast to sustain

[00:09:47] covering big movies and people things that hit the headlines, hit the SEO. If we start going

[00:09:55] towards this trend of Malayali movie, smaller movie Irfan Khan movies even doing something

[00:10:01] like an Amitabh retrospective it kills your listenership. Like we all want to hear that but

[00:10:08] that can only happen if we get the support of people on patreon and other means of people supporting

[00:10:14] our work because that's the way we can do this these are fun things but these do not drive audience

[00:10:21] audience numbers. So I want to just give a thanks to Samyatta for being a patron supporting

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[00:10:32] sign up to our patreon from one dollar you can have cool things like a hangout we're going to be

[00:10:36] doing a hangout later out without patreon isn't that super fun and we are talking about

[00:10:42] master of segue. And we are doing a Malayali movie on this episode so you got pretty much everything

[00:10:50] you want right? Malayalam. Malayalam movie yeah. So which is the movie we're doing because I cannot

[00:10:59] pronounce this at all of it. Oh can I talk about your pronunciation? Can I just tell you something?

[00:11:06] I was watching a panel on murder mobada which we will discuss in a little bit and the

[00:11:14] the guy who was like doing the panel asked charisma how do you pronounce your name and she said

[00:11:21] charisma and can I just tell you like all these years I thought like Asim was pulling an Asim

[00:11:29] was just saying like charisma when her name was actually Kharishma and no Asim got it right?

[00:11:36] Her name actually is charisma. Yeah. I had no idea. There is no hatred in our name. How about you Rehan?

[00:11:43] We will see. Anyway the first movie we're going to be discussing is Anviyashipin Kanditum I think

[00:11:55] that's the one that we're watching. Yeah and the second we're doing is murder mobada so that's

[00:12:00] going to be this episode. Let's start off with the rest episode because somebody is going to get murdered

[00:12:05] tonight. Oh nice. Russell Peter sends his paycheck. Let's start with murder mobada.

[00:12:17] What? Let's start with murder mobada. I want to get into it. I don't know if you guys

[00:12:27] remember there was a trailer that dropped a while ago of this movie with Sanjay Kapoor about a murder

[00:12:35] in a pool and Netflix was going to release it. Do you remember this like this was going to happen?

[00:12:40] It was with that girl from Marthko Dutt Nehota. Okay. I know. I saw that movie. I'll google the name while

[00:12:48] we're talking so I know which one it is. I actually added it in the show notes because Netflix is

[00:12:53] reaching this point where they're announcing movies that are never releasing and then they're

[00:12:59] releasing movies that were never announced. I think whatever mobada goes one of those where I didn't

[00:13:04] know where this movie suddenly came out and it dropped on the thing and there was suddenly a lot of

[00:13:08] social media was going around. I had no clue that there was a charisma movie coming out. See

[00:13:13] that's the problem with like you know when these platforms like Netflix and Amazon they release

[00:13:19] like an unworld showery of what's coming for the year and they just announce all these 19,000

[00:13:26] different names of shows and movies that are going to be exclusively released on their platform.

[00:13:31] By like after you spend like a couple of months down the line you don't even remember 90% of those

[00:13:39] names so yeah it all feels like a fever dream to me. This movie was called Fam Jam.

[00:13:46] Yeah I remember that. See four years ago. It was four years ago. It never came out.

[00:13:51] Radhika Madhan. Yes, Radhika Madhan. Yeah. Anyway can I tell you

[00:14:00] a fascinating bit of Bangalore gossip about this series? Yes please do.

[00:14:06] I don't even know if it qualifies as gossip but it's hilarious but so this particular series is

[00:14:13] based on this book called Clubbing The app. It's a movie Amrita not a series.

[00:14:19] Yeah, this particular movie is based on a book called Club You To Death. Excuse me Mr.

[00:14:26] policeman but it's written by this woman called Anujachohan who's like this very successful

[00:14:35] Indian checklist author and she's had she wrote that Durga Salman cricket movie. Yeah exactly

[00:14:46] so she's done like a whole bunch of like a bunch of her books have been made adapted

[00:14:51] adapted into movies and series and things like that. So she was at a author event over the weekend

[00:14:58] or something and somebody asked her what she felt about Murder Mobara and she not only hated it

[00:15:06] but she said she's not selling the rights for books to anybody anymore. Wow. She's like I've done

[00:15:15] been burned twice. I'm not just saying these are terrible and she was like really upset

[00:15:23] but yeah it's annoying the state of the publishing industry saying no to the only paycheck you

[00:15:30] date can definitely get that's how bad these movies are apparently. Wow I went on Anujachohan's

[00:15:38] wiki page and she's married to Niret Alva who is the producer of living on the edge you know back

[00:15:48] in their day there was like a need money then. Yeah, like for those who don't know Niret Alva is

[00:15:55] the producer of MediaTek Studios who produces MTV Rodeys which has been the longest running

[00:16:00] Realized TV show so it turns out money. And also the Alvas are old school congress politicians

[00:16:06] so they're like money money. Old money. Yeah. Good good good good. So Murder Mobara, Amrita what did

[00:16:15] you say being the I mean this is your thing right Murder Mysteries and kind of like rich people

[00:16:20] being horrible. I love it. I love watching which people get murdered like I would watch it all day

[00:16:27] and I have watched it all day. On screen. On screen. I love detective fiction. I read it,

[00:16:41] I'll watch it, I'll listen to it. I was so bored by this film. I cannot begin to tell you how

[00:16:50] bored I was. It was just uninteresting like everything about it was uninteresting. I didn't like

[00:16:58] I didn't care for the characters. I didn't care for the world in which these characters lived.

[00:17:06] There were like so many misdirects that didn't do anything like usually you have a little bit

[00:17:12] of a misdirect and it's delightful. You're just like oh I didn't see that coming. You don't really

[00:17:18] feel that way. Like the movie starts with a misdirect because you think you see a corpse

[00:17:25] and then it turns out like it's not a corpse but literally there is no delight factor to any of it.

[00:17:36] The resolution of it is also kind of meh and I have thoughts that I will discuss about the Sarali Khan

[00:17:47] character because we're going to be spoilery about this because I just want to get general thoughts.

[00:17:55] Because there's literally like you're not missing much by any of it but yeah I didn't care for it

[00:18:01] at all. Goodbye you Sujay. So this is a Madduk films production right and you expect a certain sort

[00:18:11] aesthetic from them and then at the same time it's directed by Homi, other Jhaniya who's made

[00:18:18] being Cyrus and cocktail. So it's kind of polar opposites coming together in my head at least

[00:18:26] the sort of aesthetics of both of them associated with the same project I didn't know what to

[00:18:30] expect. And then the movie started and when Pankaj's characters introduce us the ACP

[00:18:38] who is investigating this murder case that whole scene set in like an old daily sort of

[00:18:45] environment and it's so much underscored with so many comedy twings and you know sounds

[00:18:51] in the background score. It just took me out of this movie and I never got to get back to it.

[00:18:57] Like it's a murder mystery but it plays like a I don't know like a street play comedy

[00:19:02] in a way with how Pankaj's character is portrayed and he's supposed to be the one who connects

[00:19:09] the dots and we are supposed to be. He's like you know the smarter audience that is in on the case

[00:19:16] and it just took me out completely. Like I did not know, especially because this movie was

[00:19:22] exclusively made for Netflix they had the you know freedom of not worrying about the box office

[00:19:28] they had the you know creative liberty to I guess take more swings and be more you know true

[00:19:35] to the genre I guess but it was it wasn't true to anything you know it felt like it just like

[00:19:42] they wanted to please wait too many people, maybe way too many you know focus groups that were

[00:19:48] trying to see this movie and it just ended up being nothing. It just like a you know a pointless

[00:19:54] exercise at the point of you know at the end of the day and obviously us being Lolo fans I

[00:20:00] just thought she was terribly underused in this movie and it just brings me joy to see her own

[00:20:07] screen and then you see that she's got like only you know so much less screen time and whatever

[00:20:15] she's given is not really amounting to anything. So I'm terribly disappointed in this movie and

[00:20:22] I'll almost say that it's you know worse than the Vidya Balan movie that came out of the similar

[00:20:31] near. Yeah that's a long yeah. I did find the charisma Kapoor thing funny because it was

[00:20:39] sprinkled exactly the moments I was completely losing interest in the movie because which one

[00:20:44] I was like okay what what? She's gonna do something and then obviously you know but like every time

[00:20:50] I was like algorithmally it was like really fine tuned to whenever I do his interest charisma walks

[00:20:55] back in. It's funny because I at 28 minutes of this movie I checked and I was like dear God this

[00:21:03] on this two hours more hours of this I cannot I cannot but at the end of the two hours I was like

[00:21:10] it's not that bad like because it was get this literary was getting murdered on Twitter like it's

[00:21:14] getting gotten the worst reviews and things like that. And I was like it's fine and I think

[00:21:20] that's a lot of times what Netflix movies does right at least like you don't feel you've waste

[00:21:26] waste no you feel you've wasted your time like that's me most of the time in Netflix movie

[00:21:31] I didn't feel I wasted my time but I thought there was some moments in it that I thought were

[00:21:36] interesting some performances I would not never recommend this movie but I don't know like

[00:21:43] I didn't I also don't think it deserves the hate maybe that it's getting like it's fine because

[00:21:49] I do feel it's like a near right like and I think near and this is quite close because the name

[00:21:56] knives out will come up right a movie that Amrit I know you didn't like but I clearly feel a lot

[00:22:02] of Indian filmmakers have really liked and if they've tried to replicate it but they do not understand

[00:22:08] what made knives out a good movie but they just try to get the aesthetic and I think the problem

[00:22:14] is with these eat the rich kind of movies because they are all eat the rich kind of movies right

[00:22:20] like look at these rich people so they're so horrible but there's still needs to be some sort of attraction

[00:22:27] in them like you know even in the Ambani wedding that's going on you know we can say all these

[00:22:31] capitalists you know horrible monsters that are just spending money but on the other hand there's

[00:22:36] a moment where oh wish I wish I was there I wish I saw Salman dance which you know there's this

[00:22:42] we're living vicariously through them I think knives knives out does that really well

[00:22:48] glass onion even does that really well you know where you're I want to be on that island you know

[00:22:52] even though these people are ridiculous here there's no moment I want to be in that country club

[00:22:57] you know in Niet I don't want to be in that Scottish castle none of these people have any interest

[00:23:03] any attraction they just seem like horrible horrible people and I think then also the way

[00:23:12] like the thing is like I mean you guys are I think everybody does this is you try to figure out who

[00:23:17] the killer is right throughout the movie you're watching the movie but 40% is like I'm not going

[00:23:23] to let this movie trick me I'm gonna be smarter than the movie right but this movie is never that

[00:23:28] smart right so it kind of like takes away 50% of the pressure of the movie because I don't know

[00:23:36] but I think even when we are trying to outsmart the movie it only happens when the movie is

[00:23:42] interesting enough for to you know grab my attention if the movie sort of loses my attention when

[00:23:48] in the first 10 or 20 minutes I'm just passively watching this movie then like you know I'm not

[00:23:54] actively involved in the proceedings so I just lose interest and I'm not I'm like yeah let

[00:24:00] this story unfold by itself I'm not even going to exercise my brain so let's try and figure this out

[00:24:07] so Amritan like how does this work in terms of who done it mechanics for you

[00:24:15] what do you mean there's certain templates you know how like an agatha christie because it does

[00:24:20] definitely do the agatha christie thing right like let's all everybody comes into a room and like

[00:24:26] you know some parties kind of telling you this but it also is trying to pull some rugs and strings

[00:24:31] like the the first murder that's happened is not even a murder right and then to the point you

[00:24:36] actually forget why is it called murder Mavarik and who are we actually you know figuring out who's

[00:24:42] dead do you feel it follows that template well or does it try to do something fresh or

[00:24:51] I think that's basically the central problem with this project which is that

[00:24:56] it wants it's a story that Hughes like I haven't read the book but I but being familiar with Anujah

[00:25:04] Hans game I imagine it's a very classic who done it within that very you know agatha christie sort of

[00:25:16] template and I think momia jania just wanted to freshen it up a little bit he wanted to make it

[00:25:24] in mokin temporary or whatever and the ways in which he did it really didn't work for me

[00:25:30] and it was immediate like the moment they start introducing the characters and they have those cheeky

[00:25:38] little you know nicknames for like who these people are and I was just immediately out of it

[00:25:45] like instantly I was out of it there was no good reason why they were being introduced like

[00:25:51] characters in ludo and you you've been to these places of nether right like have you not like it's

[00:25:57] really funny it's really funny but like I grew up in like spending my weekends at the deli gym

[00:26:05] corner so I actually do know exactly what the club life is like in deli but I and it is ridiculous

[00:26:14] and there are people who are very much creatures of the club and I come from a club family my

[00:26:22] grandfather was like very much the kind of guy who spent every evening at the club you know

[00:26:27] like that kind of a guy so I understand that club culture thing but and I thought that that

[00:26:38] final scene in which Sara is fighting with her husband and she says you know like if you

[00:26:46] marry this girl nobody even admit like nobody even accept her at the club because she can't really

[00:26:51] think of anything other than like outside of that yeah she's like that's the world for her you know

[00:26:58] I thought like that was like a really that could have been a well realized or conceptualized

[00:27:07] piece of writing but it all just kind of falls apart because there is no like you said like you know

[00:27:14] these characters need to be aspirational there needs to be something human about them that you relate

[00:27:21] to them um you empathize with them or you despise them or you you know like you really look down

[00:27:30] upon them but this movie is even afraid to look down upon them you know like to me it felt like

[00:27:36] and now that you're telling me about the writer it really feels like the writer when

[00:27:40] was it's part of that club but he feels like he's too good for these people and just taking notes

[00:27:46] while he was at the club or you know like the movie writer or the novel writer whoever I've

[00:27:52] not read the book but it really feels like somebody's taking you know scores from people that he's

[00:27:57] observed at this and the observations seems like I think if you were at the club

[00:28:05] sorry if you were at the club where this was written originally you would be 100% sure who these

[00:28:12] people are you know they I don't I think they're very clearly written stereotypes of people you know

[00:28:18] yes it's funny because you were saying that and I'd forgotten this until you just said it but

[00:28:26] I remember there was a birthday party when I was like I don't know 11 or 12 and at my most vicious

[00:28:33] sarcastic pre-adolescent self and there was a birthday party where we had to do like a little bit of

[00:28:40] a like a talent routine you know and my talent routine was like an impromptu stand-up routine that

[00:28:48] I did where I was introducing people to people that I'd seen at the club that week

[00:28:53] and I actually want like first place because I was so mischievous

[00:29:03] I had completely forgotten about that until like you were saying that and I was just like oh my god

[00:29:09] I'm that writer who thought that was better than all the adults that she saw

[00:29:16] yes as like you said there is no there is no connect between these people and the

[00:29:23] the movie that was not except for one thing I will say that there was one genuine moment in this film

[00:29:29] that I genuinely liked and that is when punkishapati's character meets charisma's character

[00:29:36] and charisma's character is supposed to be this sort of washed up 90s belist bombshell right

[00:29:45] which if you live through the 90s you'll know that charisma Kapoor was basically the top actor

[00:29:52] like female actor in bodywood for years but she never got her flowers and she never got her due

[00:29:59] because her success was basically built on her movies with Govinda for example and everybody

[00:30:07] was just like oh you know she makes those you know those cuttia songs and everything and you know

[00:30:13] she's she somehow declassé and meanwhile she was like the most successful bodywood heroine of her

[00:30:21] era and she had like all these like giant hits but it wasn't until she straightened her hair

[00:30:28] and cried a lot in Rajanthu Sani that anyone was willing to give her any respect

[00:30:35] and there is this moment where punkishapati sees her walking towards him and he has this silly

[00:30:42] grin on his face and he can't take his eyes off her and I was like I bet punkishapati was in

[00:30:52] those theaters in the 90s watching her dance with Govinda and like getting his mind blown

[00:30:59] and that was like that felt like such a genuine reaction to having the charisma Kapoor walk

[00:31:07] towards you you know so that was felt like very real and very I thought that was very cute

[00:31:16] Sujoy man how did your heart beat when charisma walked in how did that work for you

[00:31:24] I always enjoy man to see her on screen off screen on interviews anywhere like

[00:31:29] she had a dance with Varunko for Varun Davan on stage the other day

[00:31:33] no I haven't where so good send me a link send me a link

[00:31:41] yeah but like as I said it was mostly a disappointment of how she and us Nurani's character is not

[00:31:47] necessarily explored you know it's like that that's such a sub plot of a sub plot I felt like

[00:31:56] and charisma deserves more it's also just like they make her Muslim they talk about riots right

[00:32:03] but it's like a complete aside like it has no bearing to the rest of the movie whatsoever

[00:32:09] so it's a shame she looks like a million bugs though like amazing like yeah I want to talk

[00:32:15] about punkishapati actually I heard this point made very well on our friends at filmy ladies

[00:32:21] and I wanted to give them a shout out actually had to stop listening to the podcast because they

[00:32:26] were talking about murder part more about it and I was like oh I'd probably end up making the same

[00:32:30] points but I'm stealing this point from Beth because I do think it's true punkishapati wearing a sweater

[00:32:39] vest speaking chased Hindi I'm really done with it like I'm yes I cannot do it anymore and I feel

[00:32:47] this is one of those things where we were talking about mudgum express and there's a certain type

[00:32:52] of people that write about movies I talk about movies we might be those types I'm not sure but

[00:32:59] the kind of people that write they give a pass to punkishapati that they would never give to

[00:33:04] akshekumar salman Khan or sonakshi sena but he's been literally doing the same thing for like whatever

[00:33:11] however long and I understand like it's a business for him he wants to make money you know like he's

[00:33:17] not one of those top-taste style you can say no you know but man I am so done with this sweater

[00:33:24] vest thing I've seen it in Mimi I've seen it in Baredi ki Barfi whatever you know it's always the same

[00:33:29] thing yeah what do you think about that teacher yeah it's different ages different backgrounds

[00:33:35] but it's the same character just moving from one world to another it's like the multiverse of

[00:33:40] punkish ripati and we are living in it yeah and I'm I don't want to be a part of it anymore yes

[00:33:45] like it was fun in Baredi ki barfi but that was it right let's move on punkish ripati

[00:33:51] you're better than this like he showed up in his little west and his little quirky manorisms

[00:33:57] and I was immediately like it's like the same you know guppi ram prayed by bridjendra kaldra he's

[00:34:06] been the same taxi driver in jubwe met and he's been playing this in many multiple movies you know

[00:34:13] you get to see you know back in the day rakesh bedi when he appears as a side character in different

[00:34:19] movies it's said that you just connect like it's like johnny leaver syndrome right everywhere he goes

[00:34:24] he's the same guy he's going to crack everything up and you know he's going to be the buffoon and

[00:34:30] he's going to make a fool out of himself and we'll laugh at him it's kind of like that

[00:34:35] but can you actually make a movie out of a comedy uncle no yeah that's the thing because he's

[00:34:41] headlining these movies like I literally saw kadaq Singh not too long ago and it's the same thing

[00:34:47] he's doing like and that is also a murder mystery and I don't know it's I'm just kind of really

[00:34:53] over it like I really want I hope they can figure something else new for him to do yeah because

[00:35:00] this is not working for me and he's also not reached like I think they're trying to place him as

[00:35:06] like an irfan han or like an awasuddin of this time right but it's not it's not working for me

[00:35:13] I think the toolbox is too empty for him unfortunately it's actually really it's really funny

[00:35:19] because I see them taking jadhi el-Avath and giving him like an extra 20 years

[00:35:28] and still putting him in sort of the lead roles you know and I don't understand how come they never

[00:35:36] can see with punk extra party in those roles if I'm looking at his you know sort of

[00:35:42] filmography over the last years the movies where he deviated from this is where I found

[00:35:49] interesting like ludo for instance where he plays a gangster with satin lungi and he just

[00:35:56] like he's very badass in that and that was refreshing 83 when he's playing a hyderabad

[00:36:02] the court there's a certain court to his character which is not seen in other movies right

[00:36:08] yeah variety is the spice and also I mean I don't think I don't want to talk too much about

[00:36:17] Vijay Varma he's fine I think he's nothing presence for me here in this movie at least

[00:36:22] the problem with both him and sarali Khan is that they because they want to deviate and I think we

[00:36:28] can get into spoilers a little bit that because they want to swerve that these are innocent good

[00:36:33] people they focus on it so much throughout the movie that you know that these are the people

[00:36:37] that are involved in it yeah so it's like and that's where I said about this idea of you know 50%

[00:36:43] of your brain is figuring out who the murder is obviously and you know straight away because she's

[00:36:48] and I want to talk about sarali Khan now a little bit is because first of all I want to say

[00:36:53] I was getting some I was seeing some good reviews initially about her performance

[00:36:58] I watched her and I was like I think she just looks really hot and I think that's what's happening

[00:37:03] she's not doing a better performance she looks really great and I want to say this because

[00:37:08] I feel not to objectify her but I want to give her what Pariniti Chopra clearly did not get some

[00:37:14] sort of validation about her appearance or her body that she's working a lot on you look great

[00:37:21] sarali Khan right like you're doing great you know that scene in the beginning where they're having

[00:37:26] that party in the opening scenes and she shows up and then as the fight breaks out she starts dancing

[00:37:34] yes she is great in that like she's got like pizza she's moxie she's you know she's pretty

[00:37:42] and she's hot and she's wearing that the heck out of that sari you know yeah and that's

[00:37:49] the best that I can say about her and I think she's like and I think Amrita you and me were talking

[00:37:56] about this earlier there's a film companion interview that's come out I just saw a small clip of it

[00:38:02] where she's talking about you know that people were feeling that her performances were forced

[00:38:09] and she wasn't being her real self anymore at the start of her career she was and since then

[00:38:14] she hasn't been and she's trying to find herself again and I think this that's what murder

[00:38:20] murder Mubarak and Ewa Tan are supposed to be her finding herself again and I don't think it's

[00:38:27] mission accomplished at all unfortunately I do see the artificial and I see the uncertainty in her

[00:38:34] performance more than I ever used to and I like her I've said this many times I like her I wish

[00:38:40] the best for her but something is not jelling you know you know Alme Kuchkala and I don't know Amrita

[00:38:47] you were the whole thing right I watched probably like 60 to 70% of that interview and then finally

[00:38:53] I had to switch it off because I was so bored but it's really weird to me because she shows up

[00:39:01] and she's trying so hard to be relatable and friendly and charming and the camera kept

[00:39:10] cutting away to the audience now the film companion audience they will literally clap at anything

[00:39:16] that anybody says okay like if you've watched one of those film companion interviews in front

[00:39:22] of an audience type situations the audience is always like super engaged they're all like oh my god

[00:39:29] my favorite star is saying something like Rani Mukherjee showed up and it was like a full house of

[00:39:35] her fans you know like that's the kind of audience that they get and this time the camera kept

[00:39:43] cutting away to the audience and all of them were completely stony faced and zoned out like

[00:39:49] there was no response there was like zero sympathy zero affection like people looked like they

[00:39:58] were like checking their emails like you know it was so bad I think the problem is then when

[00:40:05] you have these people on like when they do not have the movies to back it up yet right like yeah

[00:40:11] it's not even sarah lihan but you can't have like kartekari and either right like he doesn't have the

[00:40:16] work yet to talk about this in such details I was the one pretvi Raj did for good good life

[00:40:23] amazing I have not even seen that many movies of his but he has the work behind it to have a deep

[00:40:28] conversation I don't know why they wanted to do this with sarah lihan except it really feels like

[00:40:32] a promotional piece for two of our movies that are coming out right yeah the thing is that it just

[00:40:38] sets her up for failure even more because immediately after that interview came out and they were

[00:40:45] posting clips everywhere obviously and all the comments that I saw were of people saying before

[00:40:52] you start talking about your acting journey at least learn to act you know like that's what it

[00:40:57] basically boils down to and why would you tee up a self goal like that yeah for like at a very

[00:41:06] sensitive time in your career you know and also I don't know like I don't know there is just

[00:41:15] it's just something that I can't really put my finger on like you said asim but it genuinely feels

[00:41:25] like sarah's career is dead in the water like that's what it feels like right now it feels like when

[00:41:32] Pariniti went on a high-ethers remember to like become hot and sexy improved Pariniti and then

[00:41:41] literally like you know she made movies after that but like she never literally came back

[00:41:45] happened to Sanakshi Sanatu right like there was a moment where you could feel like okay now

[00:41:50] something is broken and it's not gonna get fixed anymore yeah and and both of these women

[00:41:56] were had the it factor like both Sanakshi and Pariniti had a lot more going for them than sarah

[00:42:03] when they get used and a similar kind of like connect with the audiences where they were so genuine

[00:42:08] we've wanted them to succeed right and both of them have like lost the plot a little bit of

[00:42:14] fortune and I feel like that's what's happening with sarah because now I know what she looks like

[00:42:19] when she's like like I don't know like Kedarnato wherever she's sownato wherever she goes to pray

[00:42:25] and I know like you know like she loves to say namaste I know she wears selva akumis but like

[00:42:33] I can't think of like a single performance or even song you know like at that's how like

[00:42:41] that's how low I'm willing to lower my standards if she even had like a song that I was like wow

[00:42:47] like she just like hit it out of the park in that song I can't think of anything I genuinely cannot

[00:42:55] what do you think sujoa is she done sarah lihan that's I just I'm excited you to watch a movie no

[00:43:01] absolutely not like for me the image that I get when I think of sarah lihan is like the the three

[00:43:06] errors of her a pre the release when she first appeared with sef on coffee with karan and they were

[00:43:13] sort of cooking up stuff for her she's this really muppert amritasings daughter you know that's

[00:43:19] the image that she carries and I really really was on board like she's really fun to you know

[00:43:24] here on interviews what she's speaking and then ke darna came out simba came out lavashkal came

[00:43:29] out and the whole meme of you know that's like that's her real image now like she's very much

[00:43:37] bothering me now especially in the scenes where she needs to nail those scenes for the drama to land

[00:43:44] in scenes in atrangire in especially in murder mobarak where the final reveal happens and she has

[00:43:53] to deliver on that drama it feels so fake that you know she's screaming out the emotions but she

[00:44:00] just can't make it happen and it's just like and and the interviews are not fun anymore either now

[00:44:09] yeah I do wish her well I think she's really trying yeah and I do feel also that I feel we're

[00:44:16] ganging up on her like I do feel that like sometimes you know we're the internet especially

[00:44:22] read it and all that like they can smell blood in the water and we just attack like pirana and I

[00:44:27] think that's what's happening to sarah lihan yeah god like on rakbasus metroindino coming up so

[00:44:33] I'm guessing that will either course the you know has said the course great yeah or she will be

[00:44:41] flying off to a different direction all together yeah I really wish that she would just take like

[00:44:47] I've been saying this for a while because you know like I can't remember which movie it was

[00:44:52] I mean that's literally my problem like I can't remember or differentiate between a whole bunch of

[00:44:59] her movies but at some point I was saying that she needs to go on a social media break because it's

[00:45:09] just getting to a point where you can't differentiate between her social media persona and the person

[00:45:19] that she's trying to play on screen and that is a skill issue and I completely agree with you

[00:45:26] as in like there is a point in people's lives I mean it happened to Anne Hathaway you know where

[00:45:32] everybody just woke up one day and we're just like well we are gonna bully this person yeah

[00:45:38] and that is definitely what is happening to sarah right now especially because apparently

[00:45:44] a what a movie weapon what

[00:45:47] a button me re what then a weapon is apparently just a really terrible film but sarah's the one

[00:45:56] who's being left to shoulder the entire failure and you know like I get it when you come from

[00:46:06] that kind of privilege and you're not able to shoulder it people are going to take part shots at

[00:46:13] you but what's really sad for sarah is that it's the perfect mommy where it's like everybody's

[00:46:23] you know the public dislike combined with the fact that she's genuinely appearing in some of

[00:46:30] the worst projects to come out of Bollywood like it's just the perfect storm of everything going wrong

[00:46:38] but it's also there is always just gender politics because as much as people are

[00:46:44] criticizing sarah they can't for doing the work they're more excited for ibrahim to come on screen yeah

[00:46:51] and that feels really odd to me I see this energy happening and I feel that's messed up because

[00:46:57] I do think the girl is trying and like you know like what you said about ever done this is a

[00:47:02] Dharma project right like Dharma failed she didn't fail like she could do what she could do right

[00:47:08] like she's trying to do you know like an old period piece and she's trying to do these movies

[00:47:13] and things like that what else can she do you know but yeah um I mean I mean the must have been

[00:47:19] it's not like a movie comes out and like only two people have watched it like yeah

[00:47:25] doesn't entire team full of people who have watched every single frame multiple times and okay

[00:47:34] them you know so there were like multiple chances for people to fix whatever issues they were

[00:47:40] with her performance if like she wasn't up to the standard that's the thing with the love

[00:47:46] arch khal klipp right like yeah impulsively put that shot in there right like that like she must have

[00:47:52] done that sort of few times it was not her decision which one got taken right so this is not her

[00:47:57] faulty there right so that that part just kind of annoys me a little bit about the way we go after

[00:48:04] these celebrity especially young girls like you know it's their body it's their face it's their

[00:48:10] expression it's you know nepotism and you know it reminds me of something that shara one stalled

[00:48:17] alia uh in coffee with khal khan where he was like you know uh they were like khal khan was asking

[00:48:24] like do you have any advice for alia and he said that i have the same advice for all young people

[00:48:29] which is to do as much work as you can and to be as bad as you can for as long as you can so

[00:48:36] that you learn to like you know get better with time and if you notice like deepika and that

[00:48:42] generation was probably the last generation that actually got to take that advice and be bad in

[00:48:50] like a whole bunch of projects before they actually came into their own you know uh because that

[00:48:56] experience of being in front of the camera of being able to uh you know carry off a performance

[00:49:04] it doesn't come like overnight to like 99% of the people there's like maybe like 1% of the

[00:49:12] population that can do it like shara being one of them and even shara was terrible in so many movies

[00:49:18] like we just did Ramjani for our last episode and he was incredibly bad in it and that was like

[00:49:26] you know a couple of years into his career so it's just like i want to give people the space to grow

[00:49:35] but the thing is that the reality of the world that we live in today is just um

[00:49:42] it's just vicious and a lot of these people that we are thinking you know they're overnight successful

[00:49:48] or like overnight um you know um like amazingly good actresses or whatever uh they usually doing

[00:49:59] work for like 10 15 years before they get their first break and they've put in that time and

[00:50:05] they've developed into better actors or else they are working in tiny projects that haven't

[00:50:15] gotten the audience that you know the mainstream audience which is the audience that goes on to

[00:50:20] bully these actors you know like we've seen that happen with frithi themry for example uh because

[00:50:26] everybody loved her when she was doing these Netflix projects and everybody was like oh my god

[00:50:30] why isn't she in like more and bigger projects and then she did animal and everybody was like wow

[00:50:35] look at that for you know like that was the the entire journey where you I mean you were you're

[00:50:43] you know you're you're somebody who puts in the work and the time and then people are just like

[00:50:51] we don't like you for no good reason now look at the reaction to the bad news poster that dropped

[00:50:58] you know with vikki kosha and her like you know like yeah she's trying to do something different

[00:51:02] she's getting her paycheck she's been working really hard and like now we don't like you anymore

[00:51:07] like for me it doesn't make sense and I think that energy comes a lot when it's women

[00:51:12] yeah compared to a karthikari anyway like so yeah anyway um I think that's enough of murder

[00:51:19] move our let's move on to the second murder mystery that we also watched also on Netflix watch

[00:51:25] also a movie that I didn't know hear anything about uh I will not try to pronounce I'll try

[00:51:31] I should I should try this now unworship in kanditum kanditum yeah what does it mean what is

[00:51:40] what does it mean uh if you seek you'll find oh okay I've realized uh I'll watch a tovina

[00:51:50] Thomas movie as soon as it drops as soon as I see there's a movie with him I'll watch it like

[00:51:54] I don't like he's got me like I watched three four movies of him and he's been really really good

[00:52:00] and I've really loved all of the movies I've seen him in and I had no idea what this movie was

[00:52:05] I'm not like we were talking earlier about uh Malayalam movies right I am still never 100% sure which

[00:52:14] actor is in which industry so I'm not 100% sure is he a Telgo actor Tamil actor so I when they

[00:52:20] when they he's dressed as a cop on the poster I wasn't sure if this was gonna be like a Telgo cop

[00:52:27] movie or what but I was like okay so we know I'll just go with it you know and uh yeah uh I just

[00:52:34] read the plot summary really quickly if people have this is on Netflix so you can watch it

[00:52:38] and this the Netflix summaries this revolves around two major crimes that shook Kerala

[00:52:43] and the subsequent inquiry into the cases by SOP I guess that's what do they think that's a very

[00:52:49] short summary um what did you think so do I have this movie I like I think one of you saw this before

[00:52:58] me and you said like you really liked it and it was like a straight-up procedural but I wasn't

[00:53:03] expecting the story to be off two halves in a way and you know uh the character arc that of

[00:53:11] Tavino Thomas as this you know investigating police officer and what he goes through but also

[00:53:19] carrying the baggage of the previous case into the second one and then also this entire team

[00:53:25] of other people who are suspended with him uh I think that was something interesting that I

[00:53:32] you know got to watch here the performance of Tavino Thomas is brilliant like every time

[00:53:38] like in the first half when I watched you know the introduction of him as this sort of surrendered

[00:53:45] guy who is sitting outside the police station and it's raining and then you go into the flashback

[00:53:50] of what actually happened that led to him to that sort of point in his life and then you see this

[00:53:56] small town cop trying to be righteous and trying to you know um maintain law and order in this

[00:54:03] smaller town and then I just kept thinking who in Bollywood would be able to do this in

[00:54:11] if there was a remake of it and I couldn't like it uh like um what's his face Aishman

[00:54:18] Khurana came into my mind Shait Kapoor came into my mind Ajay they've gone maybe he's a bit old now

[00:54:25] to play this younger Tavino Thomas age group role and Akshay will do it Akshay will do anything

[00:54:36] So I didn't know like I thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed it though like it kept me on the edge of my

[00:54:41] seat I kept second guessing on who or what the reveal was going to be and I felt this movie was

[00:54:48] really smart really well done really well acted um I have some complaints but those those are very

[00:54:55] minor in the largest given things like this movie was thoroughly thoroughly entertaining

[00:55:02] What about you Hamlet? Basically I recommended it to you because I knew you would

[00:55:07] gonna like it and then Sujoit also watched it before you I think that I think that's what the

[00:55:11] group checked conversation was I enjoyed it I really enjoyed it like I love Tavino um he's

[00:55:20] very easy on the eyes but he's also like he's a charmer you know um like he um he's obviously

[00:55:28] like learn to speak in like you know in English language uh interviews and things so you all

[00:55:36] know what I'm talking about but even in Malayalam you know he's just like he's like

[00:55:40] lad he's like a proper lad um and he in this one he's like so he's like such a perfect baby

[00:55:50] police you know uh police officer and I I want a lot of propaganda

[00:55:56] uh you know I I do uh but I really like that this particular one has that has that quality

[00:56:12] that a lot of those aristocracy you know detective stories have which is a really strong sense of

[00:56:21] community but if you if you watched any of the Miss Marple uh adaptations or read them

[00:56:28] it's that same thing you get this feel of who this community is and what's important to them

[00:56:34] and what are the underlying tensions that inform it you know it's a fully realized world uh in

[00:56:42] the first murder mystery uh there is this whole thing about like sectarian religious politics

[00:56:49] and how that informs the investigation and how it plays into larger political fallout um and how

[00:56:59] he gets screwed by it um because he doesn't really understand who the players are or how the game

[00:57:05] is being played and then in the second one uh this is this great scene where he and his uh team

[00:57:13] get off the bus uh and listen to the panchayat leader basically call them out for filth not knowing

[00:57:23] that they are listening to him and they're basically standing there like slandering these people

[00:57:31] up one side and down the other and they're like furious but they can't do anything because time

[00:57:37] has taught them you know to be a little bit more wise in just flying off the handle because this

[00:57:44] is the same guy who you know before the the murder the first murder happened would have waited

[00:57:51] in there and being like how dare you you know like i'm here to like beat you up or whatever but the

[00:57:58] older wiser version of him knows to wait and then take his shot so you can see that character

[00:58:07] growth that has happened um but then this movie doesn't pull any punches because at the end of

[00:58:13] the film you see where they've landed up after having like these two giant successes um and it's not

[00:58:22] like they're rewarded you know um and it's it's very depressing that you know that's the state

[00:58:30] uh of politics interfering in uh police work but uh that's my Adam Sedema

[00:58:39] yeah it's like both of them have uh in both instances they've managed to untie the knot you know

[00:58:45] this really complicated knot they've been able to pull it out and completely untie the knot

[00:58:50] and everything is on display but they don't win in either way yeah they don't win right that's

[00:58:55] the big yeah exactly because when we do talk about Copaganda right like it's it is still

[00:59:02] we're not seeing them win we're not seeing them as being like the the badass is in a way right like

[00:59:07] the system is stronger than this forces that are more powerful for them and i think that's kind of

[00:59:13] what's what's so interesting because sujoa when you talk about like it's placed so smartly with the

[00:59:20] uh issue of an inter inter mission or an interval right it's basically just giving us two movies

[00:59:25] yeah yeah that's something that i've never seen in this way where literally it's two different movies

[00:59:30] in the same format um but when you talk about making it maybe a body would remake

[00:59:36] i just don't think polywood would ever have the patience to make this kind of movie right

[00:59:41] like it takes so because you're basically watching two movies one after the other and there is some

[00:59:46] interconnected and i could also see they're making this a series that there's a sequel and there's

[00:59:51] like you know he goes out on to investigate other cases it's i think it's left open a little bit

[00:59:58] so and i just don't think body would not even having the actors that could do it or want to do it

[01:00:05] or have that kind of age back it it just doesn't have the patience of storytelling that this movie does

[01:00:10] and i think that's what i really got out of it because when we talk about something like

[01:00:15] murder mubarak which is also trying to do use the template of a murder mystery via agatha christie

[01:00:22] here we're doing i wouldn't say it's an agatha christie template it's more like almost a murder she wrote

[01:00:27] kind of template in a way uh uh but it's it's doing it does manage to do something fresh it does try to

[01:00:36] manage to pull in these threads of community of people with different religion like you know

[01:00:42] there's christian muslims everybody is in there and i didn't feel any awkwardness or like they were

[01:00:47] some more criminals and they were from another religion or from another cast but never did it feel

[01:00:52] like the entire cast is being you know demonized for it it's just one person that did this you know

[01:00:59] this happened to this community and even coming into it as you know he's coming into a christian

[01:01:05] community he's not a christian himself in the movie at least and there are there are there is pushback

[01:01:14] there is you know groups forming and forces forming and political machinations happening

[01:01:21] but it never feels that it's you know demonizing any community and i just don't think body would

[01:01:26] can do that anymore in first movie and that's such a sad state of affairs right

[01:01:31] um the setting of it is very interesting because again like from a remake perspective i don't

[01:01:39] know where this would be set like this is such a carol uh yes centric story you know because of

[01:01:45] the existence of these multi religious community where they have to find that balance like you cannot

[01:01:52] go into that church compound and interrogate the father and he has to work around that and also

[01:01:57] like when the girl gets uh you know in the the first story when she gets found in the in the water body

[01:02:05] and you know her case is assigned to police officers of the same religion and they are like

[01:02:12] talking about it and the whole political landscape of this also uh in the second story because of

[01:02:19] the aftermath of how many years of investigation has happened already they have to address the police

[01:02:25] brutality that went through and people actually committed suicide because of that like this guy

[01:02:30] got so shit scared that he just was like i'm gonna give up on my life because i'm not going to go

[01:02:36] through that all over again and that's also addressed right and yeah i don't think body would has

[01:02:43] it uh anymore to tell those stories even the geography of the murder and like the villages and

[01:02:50] it's so specific to you know get a line all that where you couldn't do that like the way she they

[01:02:56] re reconstruct her he say reconstruct the walk of the victim from her house to the bus stop to

[01:03:03] where she gets harassed and then the church here and then the house is there and they know each other

[01:03:08] like it's it's so like yeah i don't i don't know how you would do that even in body would move

[01:03:13] you know so yeah it's a shame because you're missing out on something that's really great storytelling

[01:03:19] good murder mystery and um yeah if you if you don't watch it on Netflix you probably won't be

[01:03:27] able to watch i mean this didn't come out in theaters in the UK at least no i didn't see it

[01:03:33] and yeah Netflix is ready the only way and it's funny that you mention you know you mentioned

[01:03:38] about body were the two of you because um i think so main mischievous who is the head of

[01:03:47] dramatic or whatever yeah he works for kjo basically and he's a very vocal presence on twitter

[01:03:54] and he he was uh he i mean the way that man tweets it's like he is like one of us you know

[01:04:02] like that's his entire gig so i think he watched this movie or like another movie i can't

[01:04:08] remember which like some balayala movie and he was like oh like i don't understand why

[01:04:13] body would can't make these movies anymore and people were rightfully literally calling him out

[01:04:21] because they were like do you know how much these movies cost to make because they would basically

[01:04:27] cost like as much as like one sofa in like a carren johar extravaganza you know like

[01:04:34] you could make this movie for rocky's wardrobe budget in rocky and runny um so why wouldn't you

[01:04:43] just allocate a little bit of money and like give it to aspiring filmmakers and say hey why don't

[01:04:50] you go make something interesting and then you know just do that instead of just getting on twitter

[01:04:56] and saying things like oh i wonder why body would doesn't do this but you're literally yeah you're

[01:05:02] literally the system exactly um so yeah if this i i don't think this is a movie that can be

[01:05:11] remade for the same reasons that are some pointed out uh into body would but i think it is

[01:05:19] a template that i've been saying for a long time that body would should get into um and

[01:05:26] that is the you know it's like murder mysteries they don't take a lot of

[01:05:33] budget honestly speaking like it's really you can get a whole bunch of character actors and you can

[01:05:41] literally shoot it from like beginning to end for very little money and see who wants to watch it

[01:05:48] because if it's well made literally everybody will watch it so johar you said you had some negatives

[01:05:53] that you wanted to mention yeah i'm not negatives but like complaints like gripes that i had while

[01:05:59] watching this movie there is like in the first investigation scene where he is trying to retrace

[01:06:05] right there's a POV shot of him trying to reimagine how it might have went that isn't

[01:06:11] done only once like in the second there was a chance of bringing that back in the second

[01:06:18] instance as well where he's trying to think how it might have went and why use that sort of visual

[01:06:24] trick only once is uh why is like suddenly i'll wake up in the night and ask tovino why you know

[01:06:33] you want more you want more Hannibal you want more mine castle yeah absolutely

[01:06:42] uh reenchute kepassivini to recreate the same scene again exactly yeah um the second bit was

[01:06:50] the gang right so they there's a cook there's an older henchman kind of a guy and there's a third

[01:06:56] another guy who is like the handler i don't think in the i got to see their roles more clearly

[01:07:04] in the first or the second case like these were the four the bunch of four that got suspended and

[01:07:10] there is some sort of a understanding and a camaraderie why they are so loyal to this um tovino

[01:07:17] character but there is no clear demarcation of their roles and what they contribute to the case it

[01:07:24] feels like tovino is one who's flexing the muscles you know biceps as well as the brain muscles

[01:07:31] and i think kallur squad did that really well i think they also had like a crew of special cops

[01:07:37] and i think they defined the different characters a little bit better than

[01:07:40] yeah i agree with you i agree with you i think none of tovino's tomas and movies that i've watched

[01:07:48] can be re-made actually now i was thinking while you guys were talking because i've seen like

[01:07:52] thalumala thalumala yeah that one i saw and i saw um uh mid-no more elite yeah

[01:07:58] yeah so what do you think body would can re-vec any of these three movies just you know

[01:08:02] okay uh yeah i'm just i was there any other any other ones that i should watch from from him

[01:08:08] from tovino yeah um and i can't think of anything off hand but i'm sure like you know

[01:08:16] yeah this like he's always the type yeah oh one thing i want to mention is the sort of

[01:08:23] the i m db comment section on this movie it's just like a repeatedly so many people

[01:08:29] just commenting like these are this is just crime patrol two episodes and it's just such a disservice

[01:08:36] to this movie like people are so desensitized by murder and crime and you know especially violence

[01:08:43] against women uh at this scale and because you know what's his face has been doing crime patrol for

[01:08:50] so many years and so ne just churns out these episodes you know diamond doesn't people are just

[01:08:56] so desensitized to this subject matter and and when it comes uh in such a well done movie when

[01:09:03] it's trying to say these things uh people are so crime patrol two episodes and i'll say one

[01:09:08] the hell guys come on yeah yeah so it's it's playing on um Netflix i think uh i for me this is a really

[01:09:18] it it does take this is not a movie you can watch while you're on your phone that's one thing

[01:09:23] what's it so if that's what you're looking for then don't watch it but you actually want to

[01:09:28] commit to a movie and watch it with subtitles probably i think this one is really ready but i

[01:09:33] think uh it's a strong recommend to me so uh i was just googling while we were talking because

[01:09:41] i also need a little bit of a refresher um i've seen a lot of people talk about 2018 which

[01:09:47] i haven't watched yet and that starts to win a thomas and uh this also this uh this film called

[01:09:57] Dear Friend uh which also i have not watched but it has like basal joseph also in add and like a

[01:10:04] whole bunch of people that looked really good so i don't know um and then there's this movie called

[01:10:10] godha which i don't know like you might really like i'm looking forward to this

[01:10:18] vashi which is like a courtroom drama i think that could be really cool too like i don't know like

[01:10:24] like it's all like genre filmmaking right it's like a superhero movie a murder mystery or

[01:10:29] court drama a apocalyptic movie and it's like wow this dude i'm in man i'm like i like his vibe i like

[01:10:35] to wino um also since we were we spoke about um canoes squad and a little bit ago um i also watched

[01:10:45] one more mallealum pudanet uh which is ozler with jairam as the um lead uh is that a movie or a show

[01:10:55] i wasn't under percent sure it's a movie okay and it has a very fun special appearance that i

[01:11:03] went into it i didn't know anything about it i just oh it's on the poster it's on the poster

[01:11:09] and the movie is apparently called abraham osler yeah i don't know just

[01:11:14] oh osler but is it noona fatih? no it's not it's her elder brother mamuti um and it is like it's a

[01:11:26] it's a very tedious movie to be honest like if you yeah yeah i was not i was not a fan

[01:11:32] there were times when jairam is speaking and i swear to god i thought like somebody else had

[01:11:36] dumped for him it was just like that um but mamuti was fab and the pace just picks up once he shows up

[01:11:45] and yeah it was like oh like i i don't know the way that it ends is like set up for the

[01:11:51] super and um mamuti says that oh you know like you and i we were meant to meet each other

[01:11:57] and hang out more or something so it seems like it's sort of set up for like a silence of the

[01:12:03] lamp sort of a thing where like you know there's like a detective who needs to spend more time

[01:12:11] with the criminal to like get clues about like terrible crimes that ever happened um that's

[01:12:17] sort of a thing um but i don't know if i like it enough to watch us equal whenever this equal does

[01:12:24] come out where is osler streaming on uh i think it's hot star okay it came up as an auto

[01:12:31] recommendation after i watched shogun and that's how i ended up watching uh shogun is so good

[01:12:37] guys oh my god it's so good how do you make shows that are that good like it's pretty insane

[01:12:43] it's just out of the park every single episode yeah is there anything else you guys are excited

[01:12:48] about at the moment so joy like music wise or trailer wise things that you saw that you were like

[01:12:53] super excited about go on we wanted to talk about amai say kheela i'm segging to use the joy

[01:13:04] that's what i'm doing here uh well i've got listen to this soundtrack uh sorry but i i will do

[01:13:11] the full album comes out i will just binge on it for months um i uh i'm obsessed at the moment like

[01:13:20] with the chum kheela sound the thing is i didn't know that this was a real person i'm just

[01:13:25] like completely coming out of like you know like oh air emhan imtiaz movie i watched the interview with

[01:13:31] film companion which i didn't really like that much to be honest the interview um

[01:13:36] uh but yeah yeah emhan man like you forget how good he is until he just decides to wake up again and

[01:13:45] put some effort into and then it just like we remember we always used to say like it's crack like

[01:13:51] you know like you it's so addictive the way his music is and it's the same thing these two tracks

[01:13:57] dropped um i think the uh way i'm blanking on i think it's naram kalesha i think yeah

[01:14:05] naram kalesha yeah does you've not seen the clip sujoy no i've stayed completely out of it man

[01:14:13] i've never seen a music video shot this way in indian cinema like it it's it reminded me of something

[01:14:22] that Beyonce would do to be honest. The way these women are presented, the way the choreography is,

[01:14:29] the way the camera movement is happening, it is something I've never seen and I think it is just

[01:14:35] amazing. And then the song is really, really good. Alka Yagnikman, again I've spoken about

[01:14:42] a few times, I'm so happy that Rahman is giving her flowers, bring her back in, give her these amazing

[01:14:50] songs and yeah it's really good. And the other one was the Diljeet song that came out which

[01:14:58] the Jesus again on a roll like this and Nana from crew, like amazing man, I'm really, really excited

[01:15:06] for this. I don't think the trailer has come out yet. Did you guys watch the clips of Diljeet performing

[01:15:14] with Ed Sheeran? Ed Sheeran singing love-all. But then I went to Ed Sheeran's Instagram and he's been

[01:15:26] touring across Asia, right? So he's been to Philippines in Indonesia, Singapore and he's performing

[01:15:31] with all the local artists from each region and every time he does it's like he's singing their songs

[01:15:37] and he's trying to learn literally just an hour before he goes on stage. He's strumming the

[01:15:44] the guy who is the local artist, he's trying to teach him the song and he's doing that and probably

[01:15:49] that's what he did with Diljeet as well. He's trying to learn a little bit just like hours before

[01:15:54] going on stage it's like nuts. And I mean that song came out a couple of years ago you know but like

[01:16:01] Rocky and Rani and now Ed Sheeran like it's really like pop type again. I have to say the song

[01:16:06] is Ishk Mitay and it's not Diljeet singing it it's Moj Chohan. Rehman Irshad Kamil, Imthi Azali,

[01:16:14] Moj Chohan you know like this is like putting all of those elements together and yeah I'm just like so

[01:16:22] what do you think Amrit? Have you listened to the songs yet or not? Yes both the songs actually

[01:16:28] but also like Rehman I feel like it's going to have like a bit of a year in 2024 because

[01:16:34] I don't know if you've had a chance to listen to the RG with them, the Goat Life soundtrack is yet

[01:16:41] the Prithvi Rajvan but that is also pretty great. So yeah that's like two bangers in a row for Amrit.

[01:16:50] I gotta understand the lyrics so it's a problem for me like I just if I don't the lyrics need to hit

[01:16:56] I'm like a rapper hip hop guy like lyrics need to hit like I can't just go on the beat

[01:17:02] I'm pretty sure there's going to be like an indie version at some point because I think Prithvi Raj

[01:17:08] wants to release this pan India and that means dubbing it. What did you think of Naram Kahlja the

[01:17:15] way it's short? I have not watched the video. Oh I read watch it I really want to hear your thoughts

[01:17:20] on that because it's something I've never I'd never seen so yeah it's it's cool. I'll come prepared for

[01:17:27] the livestream I guess. Cool I think we're done now for this episode. We've got a hangout coming on

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