Cats, Toast, Lifebuoy and Tech

00:00:08 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Sam. 00:00:10 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Militia 00:00:11 Speaker 1: High and and you're listening to three T v three turkeys, bangle 00:00:17 Speaker 1: hi, everyone and welcome TTP apart passed pretty 00:00:22 Speaker 2: effective manner 00:00:23 Speaker 1: with the part house weeks protect the non way. It's about how tech and economics and finance we 00:00:30 Speaker 2: understand impacts us 00:00:31 Speaker 1: today and in the future. It's full of information, fun facts, formance and 00:00:36 Speaker 1: and is actually spoken in a language that everyone understands claimed simply. We don't use take club as far as we can. 00:00:45 Speaker 1: Interesting in today's episode is really our season's finale. We have done 14 episodes so far, and you can just go on to our links, and the various platforms were they are available to cheque all of the 14 episodes 00:00:59 Speaker 1: we decided after 14 episodes that we needed to take a bit of a break, 00:01:04 Speaker 1: assimilate the feedback that we received from all of you 00:01:07 Speaker 1: and understand how we can make the and I'm shocked office going to agree with me over here. We're also taking a break and ongoing give you some inside onions were taking this break because someone is trying to figure out how he can move from some Iran Bush. Two doctors And so before some Iran becomes Dr Samir on, Bush leads. Here he is. How should I say Paradox Week, which is something that he loves to do 00:01:35 Speaker 1: and all over. Do you hear the paradox? 00:01:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, it does. So, in fact, this is the prison trail at or we should have something which is completely meaningless and just absent and thought provoking. And I bought at Fort also be lose. That all kind of 00:01:53 Speaker 1: talked to the paradox and anyone who wants to write back with their do. Our interpretation of this paradox is most welcome to do so either record your message of send us an email. 00:02:05 Speaker 1: So since the start of my adopted, I love the feeling of, you know, giving assignments and home barbeque in the class A gated. So I'm just teaching to give homework to people. 00:02:14 Speaker 1: So this one's actually called the buttered cat paradox. So this whole thing comes from a very common joe, which is really about cats always land on their feet 00:02:25 Speaker 1: and buttered. Those always lands on the butter side when it's thrown. 00:02:30 Speaker 1: So the Rada paradores was constructed. Is that what will happen if a buttered toast is tied on the back of a cat. 00:02:40 Speaker 1: So if a cash jumps with the budget of us when the butter toes fall, or will the camp and in fact block of very, very intelligent people have come up with the theory that in fact because the source and the cat will be kind of 00:02:55 Speaker 1: opposing forces, so it will actually be hovering over the ground because the cat will want to land on the ground. But the tourists we can report to parch. So anyway, it is something to think about, Really, you know, are just in terms of you know what you think is going to happen. 00:03:10 Speaker 1: And if you can go historically tax susceptible, the cat writing deflect So they ultimately line because of aerodynamics. And would you actually believe it that achieving Manchester Metropolitan University actually didn't this test 100 sizes of post, which they threw 00:03:26 Speaker 1: just to test what happens in 81% of the dime? The toast landed with the battle facing the floor. 00:03:32 Speaker 1: So just some great empirical evidence to think of about 30 going to tell me that the university actually through the cat at the some people may have secretly done it but are not telling us. But point is that this is really of very perplexing problem in in in amongst all the other great things happening in the world. Official occupy mind with 00:03:57 Speaker 2: Sosa Media I was telling us why I'd heard of it. And me and my son at on one of the days at breakfast table discussed this and for me. I told them it looks like a perpetual motion machine you can create because the cash will try to land on the feet and the u B 00:04:16 Speaker 2: hovering and going. 00:04:17 Speaker 1: I am just so there at night. The repeal, sing this one, create energy And now we will have sustainable energy because the fund astronomers, all animal activists, are going to 00:04:32 Speaker 1: under this part constant tell us that we're extremely rude about animals and so will all match ours. 00:04:38 Speaker 1: We are following in advance. This is just the paradox. We promise and all praise to the cat for landing on its feet all the time. So it is nothing against the cap. So I think just let us know what you think with love to hear you. I think we had never imagined that so much will happen 00:04:57 Speaker 1: since he started the podcast. Um, you like merrily chugging along, talking about mental words and 00:05:02 Speaker 1: crypto and water view. And along came a whole host of activities and triggered by the Russia Ukraine war and its entire aftermath. So we were going into the politics of you know what's right, what's wrong, and everyone's got a point of view year. But I think what it is really triggered off and which will probably have ramifications 00:05:23 Speaker 1: for finance, economics, politics, technology and everything is two or three things. One, I think, is this huge refugee crisis which is ticked off. It, aka jetting, is quite unprecedented, at least in Europe, for there are so many people to be displaced, adding 1/4 of the population of Ukraine is kind of displaced right now. The second issues this world's in disruption in the supply chain 00:05:44 Speaker 1: because of this hold is structural with Russian air and all of that and what we are missing completely is this whole outbreak of this pandemic in China, which is clearly 00:05:53 Speaker 1: causing a huge, huge problem for supply engines across. So no, that's the other thing, and new do the other thing that I think to assist, which is also underlying trauma and maybe national can can pick on. It's just a bit. Is this 00:06:06 Speaker 1: The fact is, you know, our whole perception of risk. You know, all of a sudden the hack tests unprecedented event, which was huge problems 00:06:13 Speaker 1: suddenly crypto became acceptable donations coming this in there. And I think the big issue was this three dominance of the dollar 00:06:20 Speaker 1: that one time the dollar is being leveraged to provide sanctions. 00:06:25 Speaker 1: But in the other time, lot of people of free realising should be really been with the dollar because, you know, becoming a passenger in a very vulnerable position. That Vienna. So they started talking about all kinds of directorate the rupee, ruble trade kicking off and people connecting networks and siding. The Ukraine war itself has had some very 00:06:44 Speaker 1: unexpected consequences. 00:06:46 Speaker 1: Even the fact that soul artificial intelligence with news official reflecting mission of Russian soldiers and being sent all kinds of strange things have started happening because of this and which is completely unprecedented. So before you jump in militias to observation summit and one is the fact that no longer is it of all which is like the physicality of the war is also digital. And 00:07:06 Speaker 1: but I think what's also interesting and then talk about it a lot more. 00:07:11 Speaker 1: I remember when we had done episode on 50. If you recall, we talked about the fact that you know the U. S dollar in a couple of years may no longer be the benchmark 00:07:23 Speaker 1: for transactions. And I think was seen that coming through 00:07:28 Speaker 1: today already, right? Like you said that if donations are coming in through trip to and things like that and village also con sure this to the fact that our government doesn't seem to be having made up their mind at all. So you nations is always going to be the challenge. I mean, I just spoke about the 50 a brain drain from India because of a lack of 00:07:48 Speaker 1: clarity on the way I think to as donations and sushi. It'll in other. The interesting thing is that while the crypto side is very true, but the fact that we've got this whole rupee network 00:08:03 Speaker 1: which is extremely strong, which were thinking of now connecting to the Russian Maze network and the Chinese 00:08:09 Speaker 1: Union bail 00:08:10 Speaker 1: is also very, very powerful tool that other people are realising. I think the Singapore government is trying to get the NTC repeating connected with them directly. So you know, there's a lot of other things happening 00:08:22 Speaker 1: that this world think all the de dollarisation of the world economy. 00:08:25 Speaker 2: I think what we see A ring Sameera you shared a length a few days back about you on right and how we want to trade in yuan rather than dollar. We spoke about it during our trip to see BDC episode that you won becoming digital suddenly, you know, poses a threat to dollar. And with this war, that threat is becoming real rights. The de Dollarisation is really interesting phenomena, as you mentioned, that has come up one last thing to touch upon from a tech perspective, Euro is also the fact that this war, like you said, has other than on the 00:09:00 Speaker 1: war zone. 00:09:01 Speaker 2: It is also being fought in the media and social media. Right? 00:09:04 Speaker 2: And suddenly you see that you know, Russia seems to be losing definitely the war on 00:09:09 Speaker 2: on the social media site. And somehow probably that is what your, um Putin never expected he 30 will wrap it up in a few days and it is becoming a nightmare for people. Him at least so interesting stuff. I mean, what happened during the last three months when we were report casting Ukraine War was one of the things the second thing I wanted to pick on was actually the state elections. India, Five states. Elections happened be actually did in, um, one election tech at the sold out of sheer fact that it was more than Ukraine more. It has taken er my ensure in last couple of weeks so very quickly. I just wanted to provide some, you know, 00:09:49 Speaker 2: a scale 00:09:50 Speaker 2: at which and and I will not go into the politics of who won why and all the things. But definitely when you look at the dominant party, which is BJP, I was surprised by the numbers bjp between 2019 elections and which was the national elections and the state elections. 00:10:10 Speaker 2: BJP's 00:10:11 Speaker 2: ground work force or the membership 00:10:14 Speaker 2: is 40,000,004 crores. You know that is bigger than the total population of the whole of Scandinavian countries. Right? So if you remember in our election, take a piece or be Dr Feet on street and foot soldiers and reach 00:10:29 Speaker 2: BJP has a fantastic reach. That was world. 00:10:32 Speaker 2: Second thing that stood out in the election was also the fact that Election Commissioner the had initially told because pandemic classes in other way was coming. It was still going 00:10:44 Speaker 1: on. They had said 00:10:45 Speaker 2: that the campaigning will only happen door to door or virtually so. No big events, okay? And it was very interesting. 00:10:53 Speaker 2: It actually put BJP in the pole position. They were so happy with this door to door and virtual thing because from 2019 again, they had created something called Seva. He sang gotta okay and save a He sang Jonathan kind of tried to mobilise the BJP works into a very clear 00:11:14 Speaker 2: structure for state through to give you a basic idea. If you look at up, they divided into zones. Each zone had 11 social media personnel. Okay, then zones had districts within it again. I don't know why they chose the number 11. Each district had 11 other social media people 00:11:33 Speaker 2: district were, I think, 00:11:35 Speaker 2: divided into Mandel's. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: Mandel's were divided into warns and, you know, warts were divided at a booth level, and each this whole hierarchy was so beautifully defined 00:11:47 Speaker 2: that the dissemination of the message 00:11:50 Speaker 2: from leadership to the ground force 00:11:53 Speaker 2: and what is happening on the ground force coming back to the leadership The feedback loop was so beautifully created that they were literally very happy when they heard that Election Commissioner is saying they don't do any big campaigns. The second important thing, I will try to just, you know, other than the fact be talked in the election tech that you know, you still need a leader. You need a message. 00:12:16 Speaker 2: You need a narrator. But then the dissemination happens through technology. 00:12:20 Speaker 2: Very interesting thing I saw in some analysis is that Narendra Modi, everyone knows, is kind of the second most followed politician on Twitter, 00:12:30 Speaker 1: just 00:12:30 Speaker 2: below Donald Trump, 00:12:32 Speaker 2: but very interesting factors. Narendra Modi 00:12:35 Speaker 2: follows many people, 00:12:37 Speaker 2: and he follows so many people and they are absolutely ground level worker. You know, Lay person's from our perspective. He follows them so one and trying to say as he shows the support he gives the feedback. If of staffer at a booth level, did something great 00:12:55 Speaker 2: and that guy is the Twitter handle, Modi will follow it, 00:12:58 Speaker 2: and that gives the impetus to the person to do even better that you know what I am followed by. 00:13:04 Speaker 2: In contrast, if you see let's Rahul Gandhi. He also has a huge following. His tweets get retweeted but he doesn't follow anyone. He does fall over. He doesn't follow 00:13:15 Speaker 2: common people. So so this kind of creates a very fantastic relationship between, you know, the leadership and the post on the ground. 00:13:23 Speaker 1: So I have to see this interview with Prashant Kishore recently and just a complete current, a point to this absolute supremacy of the visually which which exists. But the question really comes always about who's the other parties 00:13:35 Speaker 1: and with op winning Punjab and everybody was saying in Sapporo, so even give some very interesting numbers, he said. 00:13:41 Speaker 1: To win India, you need 25 crore votes. Totally Okay, that's that's what the majority needs, he said. The art in the last election 1 25 Lockwood's Okay, so that's the Gap day of to bridge 00:13:55 Speaker 1: the Congress despite their whatever poor performance on oil 1 10 crore roads, 00:14:00 Speaker 1: he said. Who do you think is the viable on eternity? So it visionary, it just kind of the number this completely open my eyes to the fact that 00:14:09 Speaker 1: I mean whatever they must be doing, right or Rome. But the argument that of his viable can goes away. When you look at the data 00:14:15 Speaker 2: very true, 00:14:17 Speaker 1: it's interesting. So 00:14:19 Speaker 1: what we really saying is that while technology on elections has had this massive 00:14:25 Speaker 1: negative connotations right with in the past the Cambridge Analytica and all of the other staff, 00:14:32 Speaker 1: what we're really saying is that there is a way I don't if it's good or bad. But there is a way for politicians and for leadership to utilise technology to infuse. And that really is what Malaysia you're saying and Samina knighting. The fact that you're saying that the compass still gets like 00:14:51 Speaker 1: 10 crore roads 00:14:52 Speaker 1: tells you that there is some amount of communication, maybe not as powerful, which is being used by the two teams not as powerful as the BJP people. There seems to have some amount of resonance, the the the fact that we're talking about technology in a in a very different light. 00:15:12 Speaker 1: It's 00:15:13 Speaker 1: are especially what we covered in the Election Deck episode right, which is technology to make sure that there is more people who can vermin vote technology to ensure that 00:15:24 Speaker 1: are there is transparency in the voting structure. Technology to 00:15:28 Speaker 1: it just makes the process of election and the the fact that we are a large democracy. We have sue some hope. Maybe that hey, it's not all about capturing and the government ramrodding 00:15:41 Speaker 2: absolutely shit'll. I'll say that we have had in past few elections. I can say 00:15:47 Speaker 2: there is almost zero booth capturing and the whole Evie em, you know, India's You be talked reported in election tech. India has adopted it 100%. It's amazing, and it has really transformed our elections, to be honest, just just to complete. I mean, as you said it of the fact is, technology is there for everyone, and it is being used in the weather, for good or for bad. It is being used very well by most of the party's. The 00:16:14 Speaker 2: thing to look here is that 00:16:15 Speaker 2: with this pandemic, you know, and how the election started, there was a post correction that happened later on whereby campaigns were allowed, but initially it was just don't to door and birchwood think about it. If Narendra Modi or or yoga or the opposition party have to do a virtual rally and you have to reach the masses 00:16:35 Speaker 2: till the time you have this song button 00:16:38 Speaker 2: in place. How will you come to know? So BJP was so beautifully positioned that they had 150 s B patients. They have thousands of what Sam groups. So you start with and you have the Twitter handle. And then there is the dedicated Narendra Modi page. So once I say that Narendra Modi is going live 00:16:57 Speaker 2: or yoga, Gitana is going live for a virtual rally. The dissemination to reach the last village that the last person in the smallest village happened instantaneously and the virtual Larry's were 00:17:11 Speaker 1: what adds to that? Let me add on the counter site if you remember in the women and take episode we had a talk about this with are saying that 00:17:19 Speaker 1: whether we like it or not, it is geo which has enabled a lot of strikes because for you to get virtually to the last mile, you really need people to kind of get into to have phones and to have access to technology. And I think Geos provided that last mile connect so 00:17:38 Speaker 1: it kind of all comes together. I think, as a country where now 00:17:42 Speaker 1: supreme a country which is to be a tech service provider. I think we're now coming into our own to say Hey, how to be leverage 00:17:50 Speaker 1: for very large initiatives and that I think should bring us to the end of this section of hours on the world. That was in the last three months while we were doing a podcast. 00:18:02 Speaker 1: And maybe he can jump into the next section and Samir and we want to take the lead into the next section, which is 00:18:12 Speaker 1: think having one of our more popular episodes was unboxing Trends 2020 picked 00:18:24 Speaker 1: the metal ores and the blocks in grid to 00:18:29 Speaker 1: and attain a lot has happened in that with varying degrees. In fact, one of the things that I came across was that not crypto, but it's kind of 00:18:39 Speaker 1: late coming, Guzan. The N F T 00:18:42 Speaker 1: is kind of kind of doing really well. Ukraine has actually used the selling, you know, their war images as energies 00:18:51 Speaker 1: for literally like war bonds. You can have started the technology but doing something, but obviously somebody's taken it to another level and you know they're getting pictures of rulings and and whatever. You know, our Zelinsky doing something and they're selling that as war bonds. 00:19:05 Speaker 1: The other thing that's happening is that in game purchase is so epic games and fortnight are using in game purchases 00:19:13 Speaker 1: and donating that to the new cream cause. And 00:19:17 Speaker 1: apparently, if you just go by the numbers, they are the 00:19:20 Speaker 1: single largest donor to this cause, um, can it By his process, they have donated, like some 50 60 million and Ben V last looks and their hopes to reach 100 million. So I think there is, um, 00:19:31 Speaker 1: crazy stuff going on there. But I think we should without further a do let you kind of immerse yourself into your favourite topic. The Met Her worst. And so what is what is happening there? Shit. And what have you found in your travels 00:19:50 Speaker 1: into the old Donald A. Was. But before I go that no, I was sound work in the video military musical with despite a random thing for me to watch, but I was watching it and to take her in its teething forward, eh? 00:20:05 Speaker 1: There are some technologies which never bored to grassroots, right? Angela an illness. There is familiarity 00:20:12 Speaker 1: when 00:20:13 Speaker 1: a mass programme like radio Mitchie talks about 00:20:18 Speaker 1: STDs. 00:20:20 Speaker 1: That's when you know that this movement is 00:20:24 Speaker 1: going to pick up steam very rapidly 00:20:27 Speaker 1: and sale at the end of it or become the next. 00:20:31 Speaker 1: Because I think from the time people started talking about a nifty is to the to the Massif IQ Asian if I Polydor n f t I thing that has been very, very rapid and the same parallel am going to draw into the medals. I know that do both. 00:20:47 Speaker 1: Oh, and a lot of others don't don't support my belief as the medical a big trend that we should all look at. 00:20:57 Speaker 1: But But But let me tell you that you work has recently in war of its police predicted 00:21:03 Speaker 1: that the Met Abbas economy represented $800 billion of eternity by 2024. 00:21:10 Speaker 1: Think about it. We're in 2022. The medals conversation didn't start to too far back rights and soon, Aria certainly talking about an 800 billion opportunity. And now I'm gonna start sounding like a news reader. Okay, we're gonna give around this 00:21:28 Speaker 1: so it's interesting that NVIDIA, for example, is not calling it the medals. It's falling in the on levers, and what they've done is they've already set up a subscription service, right, and they're allowing creators, designers, collaborators to come on, so shared online simulation and their brands already jam packed bag in Anna sitting on that developing stuff. So that's something you are already seeing consolidation within this space, especially with the gaming companies, right? So there's lots of moulders and acquisitions happening with gaming companies because of this whole meta bows. 00:22:04 Speaker 1: A man city and Sony are partnering to build the virtual stadia. I mean, think about it. So you're now seeing, I think, collaborations, which we wouldn't have seen typically coming alive because of the med avers. Softbank is investing $150 million in Earth. 00:22:22 Speaker 1: Korean meta was platform. The K pops in the K pieces continued to rule. I was reading up 4.3 million property transaction on the central line. I mean and up was you. You have your favourite 00:22:37 Speaker 1: Machen delivery man is on the Met. Ever said that? 00:22:43 Speaker 1: He said what I mean when, except national and the last point I want to make before right handles the wrap up on the medal because I can go on and on and on. Is that Think about it. There's a whole new farmers which is gonna happen on the site and brands like Nike, Gucci, Louis be our really beginning. 00:23:02 Speaker 1: So you are seeing staff which is moving so rapidly and I don't know whether you're on the sceptics. End of the spectrum. Oh, you're on the believers. End of the spectrum price. Depending on which end of the spectrum you are on, they will decide whether the Met ours is advancing too fast 00:23:22 Speaker 1: or two 00:23:23 Speaker 1: the Believe a listeners moved 00:23:27 Speaker 1: I I am going to definitely create one. Mata was avatar for myself and two, I think we should definitely launch eh nifty for three TV. If it is so big guiding the illiterate share of the 800 billion pie will not do any arm towards. 00:23:46 Speaker 2: So firstly, the together predicted as one of the trains. Right? So we are all believers in it. Don't worry, we may a Euro polio leg, but the fact is, we're all believers and just wanted to give you an inside because you talk about shares all the while services looking at Yahoo Finance, you know, And in the global markets Yahoo Finance, you know, 00:24:08 Speaker 2: predicted some stock picks and I was surprised to see the or four which are a lot, Colin. Pure meta words, but actually Web three down to cos someone is coin days. Okay, so it's top stock picks. That is a crypto exchange. Then you have a talent Ear Technologies volunteer is into multiple things. Always three Dato trip. The but one which you will love Tour met Our stuff is unity software. It is one of the topics 00:24:36 Speaker 1: absolute 00:24:37 Speaker 2: So unity software was there and obviously then there were some cloud cos like loud they're still kind of three Row two to your point the shit'll weather eurosceptic for a believer 00:24:46 Speaker 1: I think this 00:24:47 Speaker 2: trend is here to stay 00:24:49 Speaker 2: and it is growing big time 00:24:52 Speaker 1: I will 00:24:52 Speaker 2: tied into you know, my favourite with three roto because I really meta words and ft all this kind of ties into 00:25:00 Speaker 1: bigger 00:25:01 Speaker 2: train which is the three daughter which says you know with three wrote of climate Lee says that will become semantic will become special and special Well, essentially is met awards, right? 00:25:11 Speaker 2: It will be leased centralised to that effect. I think there is a lot of work already happening on something called Resource Description Framework. So So to decentralise from go from web to 0.202, we have to ensure a dissemination of data across centralised platforms to become decentralise. And that can only happen 00:25:34 Speaker 2: if you have a common, very defined framework because everyone has a data in their own way. And if you remember, we talked about it. The data is the new oil, right? So the companies who own data became big. But now there is work happening on resource description framework, which 00:25:53 Speaker 2: creates a common framework to exchange the data. So I I believe that a step in the right direction whereby the centralised data sources can start sharing data and slowly 00:26:05 Speaker 2: kind of move towards the decent lies that's 00:26:08 Speaker 1: in sidelined speaking stock. Should I get out of all the centralised companies have Favourite was bought a bill. You do you must invest in the local Kiran aka do condoms because that is the best cash business. You know you'd sell and you take home money. That is the best business. According to me and my classic example is the 50 college bar, above all 00:26:37 Speaker 1: is now got a big line. He's got two people for Bando, versed also, and the price of his baraka is going up every day, and it seems to be uni elastic demand. People are buying more and more as his prices going. 00:26:49 Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, it is the tramping to Singapore that if this was a video of it actually shared a picture that I took a like more. She softening. I wonder if he's going to in FDs. 00:27:06 Speaker 2: Probably we missed one true one we missed. But but, you know, met Evers and not a world trends which are here to say a stay, I think a little bit. We can also talk about a right and I'll tell you has been a trained for a long time, and the kind of picked it up with some specifics which was around 00:27:27 Speaker 2: know, poured or low poor. You know how we create lack sponsor, which doesn't require developers and porters. And to be honest, it was very interesting that we were talking to some government officials and if if someone from the government is talking about, You know, a local platform. It means that the trend has caught. Um And I mean, they were talking of how you know they were looking at some platforms of creation of that which would be loco. It's not No. So that was another one. I see the last trend. I think that was a little bit on Future of work. Spoke about it to Sheetal. Now that endemic, we see kind of beginning of the end beauty thing. Things will change 00:28:08 Speaker 1: nationally. Billy will never go back. 00:28:10 Speaker 1: The baby warrant 20 00:28:12 Speaker 1: Think and believe that the 19% in our service 00:28:16 Speaker 1: I think there are many reasons for it, Right? The economics of not having offices is very, very high for organisations, so they will never go back to full time everybody into the organisation. I think they were all set king for three days a week. Kind of a work 00:28:33 Speaker 1: scenario at the workplace in three days off, I think individuals have tasted blood right. Imagine if you'd intact a travel for three hours every diversity like Mumbai. Oh, bangle. Oh, how much more productive is that so 00:28:47 Speaker 1: yes, I know there is enough and more murmurs about productivity being blue when you don't put together. It's a trap arising. 00:28:54 Speaker 1: People are not going to go back to that space There is already becoming. You know, when I was when I started word hat and we were called the Gig economy and now you have newer, nominal caters for the same right. But 00:29:09 Speaker 1: I think the trend of work from home party 00:29:13 Speaker 1: and will be fighting half and half is where it's going to settle. 00:29:17 Speaker 1: There will be some who will go back to the traditional. I know of a client of ours who has mandated everybody back. I think they're also paying overhead so it doesn't matter if it comes back. But a lot of the organisations have led off their offices. I started my career in research where we used our flexi lists where we never had fixed lists because we used to be in the field 00:29:39 Speaker 1: and we used to come into office only to put in our report something I mean, I am talking about 15 years ago, 20 years of the world was flexi dusts. You never had a expressed picked up your laptop and started working on whatever dispose availability I think that's what's going to become the norm. 00:29:57 Speaker 2: I got kind of update my, you know, I used to work with Master card. So I keep getting updates from MasterCard and lo and behold there, opening office in Lisbon portable. So it just reminded me that one wheeler of the future of work a country, if I had to choose would be probably portable who kind, um, started investing in, actually looking at these appearances simplified taxation for foreign workers to to to kind of promote people to come and stay in a beautiful climate. Great country. I think that that trend would have rubbed off because Master Card is actually opening a new office and portable this. It was like a complete surprise. 00:30:38 Speaker 1: So one of my favourite pastimes is not to look through The economist and all of the strings of these villages come up for sale. You know, like for €1 100 urine. I always wonder that, you know, maybe this is it. This is the thing to do now exist by of the village. My worry is that denial I might have to request alone must to provide. We will. Some startling satellites for the Internet. You know my sense is that, anyway, some in India so used to paying so little for data that anything that is going to hit a really hard no, but the W is 00:31:16 Speaker 1: I think it's seven. You look it. So 00:31:19 Speaker 1: a trainer who used to come home and the better part for the beginning of the pandemic. He was really in a soup because 00:31:25 Speaker 1: everything is physical, right, and nobody wanted him to come home. And so we started this thing with Zuma can. It's it's It's like a painful. But now, with time, he has evolved the nears figured out. 00:31:37 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, Google Meatwad. It's better than soon because you can do whatever. 00:31:42 Speaker 1: Now what he is able to do is it when his clients travel, Also, he takes sessions. You know he is getting referrals from us of supposing I have a cousin who's in the UK and my time matches with his free time, he is able to fit it in. So 00:31:55 Speaker 1: I think people are also evolving and seen so there is benefiting physical of Mr I think 00:32:02 Speaker 1: people are evolving to this world that you can co exist in both spaces and you are absolutely right that I don't think they will go back to anyone way of working. I think 00:32:11 Speaker 1: we will continue. And I think as far as to Wilson, although I think they will evolve to meet this requirement and make it as real and as interactive. And yeah, I think hybrid is the way to go and 00:32:23 Speaker 1: notches semillon. I also find that a lot of people who will not 00:32:28 Speaker 1: so called tech savvy 00:32:30 Speaker 1: have all loaned to adapt 00:32:32 Speaker 1: all of us 00:32:33 Speaker 1: all young, whoever we've on the and accept technology the way it comes in. So I don't think educational institutions are you not going to go back to the possible ways? I mean, if I could study online in any one of the global universities, then why would I want to do a local university? 00:32:55 Speaker 1: Right? 00:32:55 Speaker 1: And there's not really that much of a loss of house raise a communication because of it. So those are things are gonna happen. So semillon Sorry, militia and question. I don't think it is just about work. I think it's about the way of approaching on lot of things. Students are got used to getting educated online differently. 00:33:14 Speaker 1: Housewives have started getting used to working without needs and figuring out 00:33:18 Speaker 1: solution ing. I think it's all just about now becoming more and more and more hybrid solve and how we used take available to us. Just make it better. 00:33:28 Speaker 1: That's what It's crazy because I'll tell you, we we were actually. But we have been shifting homes and being something for for housing locked and all of that. They never thought about it right And everything is happening over what's up. Video People there are showing new staff and it's happening then you know, elders in other cities, they can't 00:33:48 Speaker 1: operate their fire states, 00:33:50 Speaker 1: you know, they can make a call and then the show you This is what I can see on my screen Serving 00:33:55 Speaker 1: This is a very fantastic, an evolving area and as people used to the technology have been taking time. But I think that adoption is happening in people are using it for the craziest things. And I always remember this example of washing machines being used to make policy and 00:34:13 Speaker 1: live boy car bolic so being used to wash buffaloes in that the life by soap is the highest selling soon 00:34:19 Speaker 1: in the levers port for you 00:34:21 Speaker 1: because it's 256 hours to wash them. Buffalo speaking ahead life A. 00:34:39 Speaker 2: So essentially I think I think to your point. Sameera is, I think, and they say right? Usually wars have given rise to a lot of innovation. Similarly, I think final image, which was a huge, huge depression globally on everyone 00:34:57 Speaker 2: it has given rise to a lot of innovations. I 00:34:59 Speaker 1: complete very to 00:35:00 Speaker 2: completely agree. Um, in my friend 00:35:02 Speaker 2: actually incorporated a company in Dubai sitting in Pune 00:35:08 Speaker 2: without all on what's happened. And inter area, um, web bombs and everything. You have all kinds of platforms for signing stuff digitally. 00:35:18 Speaker 2: So So, yeah, this is the train which will continue. I I am sure. I think that brings us to kind of the last section. Right. So we talked about what happened while we were podcasting. How are we doing on the couple of trains that be touched upon? I think the last section was purely to kind of reminisce 00:35:37 Speaker 2: what happened and maybe lead 00:35:39 Speaker 2: people in to kind of a behind scenes stuff regarding our podcast. So, Sheetal, do you want to start with the most controversial aspect of our podcast, 00:35:51 Speaker 1: I would last them. It's something that I still have been figured in, Father, just to bring in all of you listeners. When we will 00:35:59 Speaker 1: thinking of launching this podcast, we archery had decided to fall. It still take is on a woman. And I was absolutely in love with it because he created the names I had fallen in with creation. And I think the lace pulls equally okay with it. And in my head, I hadn't their port evidence anything but of one name. 00:36:20 Speaker 1: And I think someone was the voice of caution. Metal No, no. And don't think that the women in technology 00:36:27 Speaker 1: his name at all and being the researcher that I am, we decided to put the city research papers I was fighting to. 00:36:35 Speaker 1: And lo and behold, I lost the battle. I think 99% of the people and we put the south in various women's group. We didn't actually go to the men, but we went to the women 00:36:47 Speaker 1: and we asked them in 99% to the women, give us the backlash that some Iran for people will receive. Superb Sabrina, thank you for that. But I still wonder because I personally for it was a brilliant and the logic of it was absolutely right. They were two decades for far and I am the 00:37:06 Speaker 1: I have not of the world of technology. But having said that, 00:37:09 Speaker 1: I think three take his Banda has worked really well so sometimes just saying that truth is not a good thing. And I I have two very quickly joke There was this whole bearable storey that their members there is this very famous astrologer who asked be refunded on so great. But you know, I nobody likes me. 00:37:27 Speaker 1: So people said Okay, let me demonstrate 00:37:30 Speaker 1: So he goes in cheque someone's Parma and he says that ob case Omni office are registered arm are joining 00:37:36 Speaker 1: So we will said under Fortune just picked up his choppers on hitting him or whatever to be belted. Okay, come back. 00:37:43 Speaker 1: And he told Mr to say this So that goes back. Then he tells him, You will actually live much longer than all your relatives. He said, Oh wow, I love that prediction. You essentially the same thing with Well, it's challenging right, because in a 00:38:04 Speaker 1: thing at the time when everybody talks to your body authenticity 00:38:08 Speaker 1: and things like that to Garbett in any North Antico adjuster since it well, having to do with our biases recruitment because I guess be are also at for that when we read it. All I think about is that the reception is that 00:38:23 Speaker 1: you're insinuating that the woman is water. It is probably completely untrue, but I don't know how to do that any better to stay out of any such control for cities. I 00:38:33 Speaker 2: think life's it'll you mentioned I was fine with sighted, 00:38:36 Speaker 1: but 00:38:37 Speaker 2: wisdom prevails. A median said process was absolutely right and I think TTP works very well. 00:38:42 Speaker 2: So that was one of our 00:38:44 Speaker 2: measure behind the scenes storey, the other storey I have to and again Hey again, Sam Eden was the one who who suggested this to you was all the network problems. So So while we speak of technology, we speak of, you know, high 53 daughters staff. But in the end, when you are doing a podcast and need a stable bandmates, 00:39:04 Speaker 2: even though on WiFi your 00:39:06 Speaker 2: speed shows 140 MBPs, nothing was better than a buyer. Connexion the 00:39:16 Speaker 1: have switched to that's um Iran, Thanks to you for everything. All mild moderation Sze of research groups and everything now happens 00:39:24 Speaker 1: with a cat six tables the the the 00:39:31 Speaker 1: lying of sight and physical Connexion units. Physical connectivity. 00:39:36 Speaker 2: But But I am telling you, You know, it's really strange that if you actually do a speed test on a cat, six worsens the WiFi WiFi speed show higher 00:39:46 Speaker 2: because cats six has upper limit always till the time you know. So cat sixes comes in a 100 MBPs, one g bps kind of the cables vary, but why fighters goes like 140 m b and, you know, based on your obviously broadband connexion. But 00:40:02 Speaker 2: this was another interesting 00:40:05 Speaker 1: level. I have to tell you this bit of trivia of as net upward bank with service contest between this, so apparently, until 2010 of Carrier pigeon was faster than the Internet. Certainly that did this test to compare upload speed. So they put us district 00:40:21 Speaker 1: on a carrier pigeon and told it to fly 50 miles and they tried to upload 00:40:26 Speaker 1: the files. The pigeon made it in an hour, and the upload took two hours. 00:40:30 Speaker 1: So till two NDTAKE the vision of is actually better. 00:40:37 Speaker 1: The Turkana is actually of the city planner that they the 00:40:48 Speaker 2: a him We had lots of funds, lots of learning, like not to use by if I would be on the 00:40:58 Speaker 2: tabled connected, a network changed our name, Bo tells. I think there was this whole better where we started with a kind of US episode structure, but course corrected Midway. So election take is one of the things that came up because of elections. And it was asked, Beautiful 00:41:17 Speaker 2: talking about and researching about 00:41:20 Speaker 2: elections 00:41:22 Speaker 1: have to say that I kind of with the begin of this Indian, have great equipment. And unfortunately, given this whole deal making mentality in India, I was taken in by a sale and bought. This is really sensitive, Mike, which was stuck with 00:41:38 Speaker 1: and believe me, I mean, it's so bad that I can't even open the window and I can't switch on the fan because all the song is picked up by this might. So now I have to put on the air conditioner and sit in a very quiet room and hope that my dog doesn't come in because it loves the post the fact that I don't know how many times a year on year, very polished episodes, thanks to our partners and people who keep us online and track. But 00:42:14 Speaker 1: I cannot give you the number of times in the nation days people gap and half and stop and restart and rerecord because just getting the introduction would take us longer than a whole episode. So that that was another fund bait. I think we've evolved today as 00:42:32 Speaker 1: the introduction and tell inviting. I definitely have some kind of illness. They rented some and a Z problems of the never I received the introduction. 00:42:40 Speaker 1: My mind seems to tell me I do my best not to say what every denied. I don't know why that is, and it just drives everybody else batty, unearthing knowledge. Both have post the whole text and then I go States of the have already got bored of seeking it for so long as a Nikon. See this again. And then, of course, 00:42:59 Speaker 1: the whole lot of other problems for the Let me also tell you this is because some Irun has what I call noddy VHP, but he has border, which hits him like I think every 36 00:43:13 Speaker 1: discovered a word for for beer. 00:43:17 Speaker 1: The fear of getting bored so need the price of a bit of the three decade has nothing to do is relation. Meet through. If you think that one of 00:43:32 Speaker 1: we've done and said something which is completely relevant. Gina in an episode, it's only because of 00:43:38 Speaker 1: I. 00:43:38 Speaker 2: I think this kind of brings us to the end of last episode of this season, the seasons finalists. I think I would definitely like to him in all of us have seen House and the and Marcia have helped. So I must. Hank. I had massive problem with upload once and a very efficiently abortion 00:43:59 Speaker 2: friendly work with us to resolve that. So thanks a lot. I think it has been a fantastic journey of learning and getting better at this hopefully, and that is the reason we're taking a break and, you know, kind of groupie anything a foetal Sameera through. I 00:44:17 Speaker 1: think we'd love to get 00:44:18 Speaker 1: been back to new, because we are taking the slight break just to kind of regroup and see how we can make the banter more interesting. Make it more relevant to each one of you whose listing in on us and to our banter So issue do feel like you want to give us back and we promise that be 00:44:37 Speaker 1: we take the feedback very seriously effective people who make instant changes when we receive feedback. So please, please, to put it either as a voice note or you notice right to us if we're happy to get And I think one season down, we need to thank all of our listeners tapers without you. I don't think we will. So in courage to come every week, 00:45:00 Speaker 1: set up the table and have 00:45:03 Speaker 1: this conversation around take it, you know, make Sam finance. So thank you everyone for listing in 00:45:11 Speaker 1: one of the other things is, of course, while they are love suggestions on our content will also love to hear from you on 00:45:19 Speaker 1: how you thing we can spread the word better. And because obviously, you know, we have some ideas on how we think the soon grow. But any of you have any thoughts? Suggestions? You think they are kind of missing some obvious ways of doing this thing better, spreading it social channels, 00:45:37 Speaker 1: Anything from BP open to any thoughts ideas, suggestions on that factors work and and, of course, thank you very much for listening. 00:45:45 Speaker 2: Okay, Try thing. That is kind of a wrap up. I mean, I am still urge you to feet following the show. We are taking a one month day and after one month you will see that will come back. We have some thing 00:46:00 Speaker 2: stuff lined up and either as Switzerland mentioned based on fact, we can force correct. So yeah, following the partners. If you're on the app report, be stating and review. It helps the baht us hope to see you all authored a month.