The first episode of the Thrifty Titans. podcast features Marcella Risye, the founder of The Growth Room (thegrowthroom.co), a truly unique open-source platform that appreciates and celebrates growth journeys, regardless of designations and brand names.
We discuss what led Marcella to launch an online platform to celebrate the growth journeys of entry and mid-career professionals, the dire need for recognition across age groups, income and experience levels, and how employers celebrating small wins at work can go a long way in fostering a more inclusive and progressive work culture for one and all.
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Saikat Pyne: Hello. I'm sa P marketer Creative and all around Alpha nerd.
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Saikat Pyne: Welcome to the you incorporated podcast On this show, I
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Saikat Pyne: catch up with bad ass entrepreneurs, marketers, storytellers and content
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Saikat Pyne: creators to understand how they built their personal brands, their
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Saikat Pyne: voices their way. If you want to carve out an
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Saikat Pyne: individual agenda with your work and take charge of your
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Saikat Pyne: own narrative, you are in the right place.
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Saikat Pyne: Hello, guys. Join me in welcoming Marsala. Rich to the
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Saikat Pyne: first episode of the You Incorporated podcast. Masala is a
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Saikat Pyne: digital marketer with Group MA Global Marketing Agency based in Singapore.
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Saikat Pyne: Before joining Group M, she was doing all things branding
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Saikat Pyne: and marketing with Aspire an all in one finance platform
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Saikat Pyne: for growing businesses in Southeast Asia.
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Saikat Pyne: Marcela is also the founder of the Growth Room, a
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Saikat Pyne: truly unique open source platform that appreciates and celebrates growth
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Saikat Pyne: journeys regardless of designations and brand names. The growth room
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Saikat Pyne: features talent who have been endorsed by colleagues for their
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Saikat Pyne: inspiring growth at work. It's incredible. Check it out at
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Saikat Pyne: the growth room dot com. Welcome to the podcast, Marcela.
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Marcella Risye: Well, that's a great intro. Thank you for having me.
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Marcella Risye: This is really exciting.
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Saikat Pyne: So what led you to launch the growth
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Marcella Risye: room? I think during my time in Aspire, I fortunately
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Marcella Risye: had a lot of like interactions with founders, and I
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Marcella Risye: managed to interview them for articles or Webinars. And I
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Marcella Risye: think personally it's fulfilling to see that the content that
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Marcella Risye: we help them create gets a lot of positive feedback.
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Marcella Risye: I think you can relate to this. But then I
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Marcella Risye: start wondering, you know, like, Who's gonna interview my team?
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Marcella Risye: Like
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Marcella Risye: even mine and my colleagues turn to be interviewed because
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Marcella Risye: I think we are not founders. But we also work
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Marcella Risye: like 9 to 6 or sometimes arguably more, and I
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Marcella Risye: think we create some sort of impact to the company,
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Marcella Risye: whether it's big or not. But we do influence on
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Marcella Risye: the performance of the company, and I think Entry and
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Marcella Risye: Mid-level employees deserve some recognition, too. So, yeah, that is
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Marcella Risye: something that I've been thinking for some time
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Marcella Risye: until I finally got a chance to be interviewed by
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Marcella Risye: a media company based in Australia. And that was was
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Marcella Risye: my like first time on a legit interview, sharing things
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Marcella Risye: that are more off my professional side.
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Marcella Risye: It feels great that someone's acknowledging my profile. But I
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Marcella Risye: think what even convinced me to pursue the growth room
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Marcella Risye: is because I believe that the content that I post
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Marcella Risye: on LinkedIn indirectly influences my personal branding. And I don't
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Marcella Risye: want to share that with people. I want people to
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Marcella Risye: feel that way, and I if I can help them
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Marcella Risye: build their personal branding, then why not?
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Saikat Pyne: That is such a lovely point there. So tell me
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Saikat Pyne: about your first media interview. How did that go about?
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Marcella Risye: OK, I managed to get this out of my interviewer,
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Marcella Risye: and he he admitted that he he misunderstood my profile.
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Marcella Risye: He thought that I was like some CMO in a fire.
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Saikat Pyne: So it was. It was meant to be an interview
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Saikat Pyne: with the CMO of Aspire, and it turned out to
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Saikat Pyne: be Marcela.
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Marcella Risye: Well, it doesn't have to be CMO, but he thought
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Marcella Risye: I was someone who's more senior in a company but no,
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Marcella Risye: like Aspire is my first job. But then I'm so
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Marcella Risye: grateful that he decided to still post my article, and
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Marcella Risye: now we're really we're in a good relationship. In fact,
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Marcella Risye: he's actually the first person who inspires me to build
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Marcella Risye: the growth room. We had a chat after the whole
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Marcella Risye: interview for his media company. We had a chat to
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Marcella Risye: get to know him
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Marcella Risye: each other. And I told him that, you know, what
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Marcella Risye: you're doing now is something that I actually want to
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Marcella Risye: do as well. But maybe not so much on the
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Marcella Risye: sea levels. I want to appreciate my friends. And he
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Marcella Risye: told me that I should just start doing it. Start
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Marcella Risye: with my own circle and eventually I did. And so
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Marcella Risye: that is why he got the first interview spot on
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Marcella Risye: my blog.
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Saikat Pyne: That is such a lovely story. So somebody mistook you
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Saikat Pyne: for AC N A. And that's how you landed your
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Saikat Pyne: first media profiling opportunity and you
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Marcella Risye: tell me this happened to you.
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Saikat Pyne: I I have done this so many times,
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Saikat Pyne: not not with media interviews, but as APR person. For
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Saikat Pyne: for multiple brands, you often have to come off as
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Saikat Pyne: authoritative right. You have to come off as a face
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Saikat Pyne: for the brand, the confident face for the brand, the
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Saikat Pyne: person who knows what they are talking about. And often
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Saikat Pyne: you're the young person in the room. You're not the
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Saikat Pyne: person who's probably the most influential you're not. You're not
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Saikat Pyne: AC x o. You're not AC X o at 20 something, right?
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Saikat Pyne: So
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Saikat Pyne: what often happens is you put on a face you
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Saikat Pyne: put on your game face and you appear in these
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Saikat Pyne: interviews often as a spokesperson for your company. Often you,
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Saikat Pyne: you know, appear in these media round tables with some very,
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Saikat Pyne: very senior people who know their shit. And you just
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Saikat Pyne: have a chat and you try to not mess up.
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Saikat Pyne: And I think most of us who are in marketing,
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Saikat Pyne: who are in PR get into these discussions not necessarily
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Saikat Pyne: hoping to build their own personal brands, but just
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Saikat Pyne: with just the expectation of let me showcase my brand
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Saikat Pyne: in the best possible light. And that has always been
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Saikat Pyne: the case with me. And like you said, you you
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Saikat Pyne: as you approached this gentleman, I think, uh, Mr How
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Saikat Pyne: right from the
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Marcella Risye: group,
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Saikat Pyne: right? Yeah. Mr How. And and that is And that
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Saikat Pyne: is how you landed your first interview. So,
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Saikat Pyne: uh, your your first media opportunity. As as a professional.
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Saikat Pyne: Do you think that there is a gap in terms
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Saikat Pyne: of the industry recognising
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Saikat Pyne: the the the amount of effort and the amount of
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Saikat Pyne: work that goes on, Why? Why do you think that is?
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Saikat Pyne: Because I'm sure there there was a huge gap that
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Saikat Pyne: you realised was there, which led you to launch the
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Saikat Pyne: growth role, which is like a a free for everybody, right?
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Saikat Pyne: It says they're on the website. You know, your core
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Saikat Pyne: values to have equal respect for all talent, right? So
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Saikat Pyne: why do you think it's so important to share and
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Saikat Pyne: celebrate these
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Marcella Risye: stories?
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Marcella Risye: Um, I think the respect for all talent value is
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Marcella Risye: closer to my personal value. Um, I do believe that
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Marcella Risye: everyone's hard work deserves some sort of recognition, although it's
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Marcella Risye: only natural for you know, someone who are more experienced, um,
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Marcella Risye: to receive even more spotlight because they've achieved so much
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Marcella Risye: in life and they have just naturally, more connections. Um,
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Marcella Risye: but when I say recognition, it doesn't mean that you
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Marcella Risye: have to
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Marcella Risye: to buy them coffee or treat them a meal to celebrate.
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Marcella Risye: But it could be like the little things. It's you
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Marcella Risye: know how it's easy for you to spot when someone
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Marcella Risye: makes a mistake. But why can't it be easy for
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Marcella Risye: you to spot when someone's doing a job well done? Um,
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Marcella Risye: although maybe you can argue that, you know, everyone's supposed
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Marcella Risye: to do a great job on what they're being paid for,
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Marcella Risye: but I think it's I think it's only natural for
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Marcella Risye: someone to be, you know, to feel like they they did, um,
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Marcella Risye: a good job. And
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Marcella Risye: with that in mind, I think it's makes it somehow
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Marcella Risye: easier for you to accept critics as well, because critics
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Marcella Risye: comes in positive and a negative comments. And if if
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Marcella Risye: both of them I feel like, um, influences your growth
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Marcella Risye: for you to do better. And so I think it's
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Marcella Risye: just as important, Um, I think recognition is just as
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Marcella Risye: important as, um giving, um, critics or advices. So yeah,
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Saikat Pyne: absolutely, absolutely. And like I said, I read this quote somewhere.
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Saikat Pyne: That said, We are not thinking beings who feel we
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Saikat Pyne: are feeling beings who think
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Saikat Pyne: so. If you make
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Marcella Risye: people let that sink for a while, right,
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Saikat Pyne: it's so true, right? You make somebody feel good, you
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Saikat Pyne: make them feel invested in the company that they work for.
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Saikat Pyne: You make them feel invested in the job that they do,
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Saikat Pyne: and that's how they would want to do better at
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Saikat Pyne: their job, right that's how they want to invest in
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Saikat Pyne: themselves and invest the time in the company. So there's
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Saikat Pyne: no reason for anybody to be insecure about, you know,
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Saikat Pyne: having the small guy get a bit of attention. The
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Saikat Pyne: small guy get a bit of recognition. The small guy
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Saikat Pyne: have a seat at the table and not have to
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Saikat Pyne: constantly feel like they have to earn their place,
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Saikat Pyne: you know. And in a media article, if they like writing,
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Saikat Pyne: they have to earn their place in terms of, you know,
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Saikat Pyne: a podcast appearance. Let's say they have to earn their
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Saikat Pyne: place in terms of a press conference or a media
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Saikat Pyne: event that they can attend because they are experts on
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Saikat Pyne: the subject. They just don't have the designation. That's the
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Saikat Pyne: only thing that's keeping them away from that appearance. It's
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Saikat Pyne: plain unfair. It's just
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Marcella Risye: unfair. It actually might appear a bit cliche if we
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Marcella Risye: discuss about this, because
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Marcella Risye: I think maybe I don't know if there are listeners thinking,
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Marcella Risye: you know, of course, we recognise good work, but it's
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Marcella Risye: actually easy to slip your mind when you're doing the
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Marcella Risye: work on from Monday to Friday 9 to 6. You
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Marcella Risye: just want to get things done. You have no time
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Marcella Risye: to recognise the small things. And I think that is
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Marcella Risye: why it's just as important to practise, you know, recognise
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Marcella Risye: your cliques job Well done. As much as you know,
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Marcella Risye: if you want to help someone improve them for the better, Um,
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Marcella Risye: for something that they did, um, wrongly, for example, right?
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Saikat Pyne: Absolutely. If you've given somebody negative feedback, you should also
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Saikat Pyne: share them with positive feedback. You should pamper them just
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Saikat Pyne: as much as you'd like to. You know,
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Saikat Pyne: set yourself in front of them for doing a bad
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Saikat Pyne: job once in a while because everybody messes up, right?
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Saikat Pyne: We're all human. We mess up sometimes We do a
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Saikat Pyne: great job sometimes. And it's only fair to be acknowledged
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Saikat Pyne: for the good things that you do. While you most
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Saikat Pyne: definitely will be acknowledged for the bad things you do
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Saikat Pyne: and any company, right?
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Marcella Risye: Yeah. How
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Saikat Pyne: long has it been for you launching the growth role
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Saikat Pyne: and and how has the response been so far?
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Marcella Risye: Um, still very, very new. It's only been less than
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Marcella Risye: two months, I think, Um, and above responses. I mean,
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Marcella Risye: most of the responses are great. I think There are
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Marcella Risye: two types of responses that I receive first is those
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Marcella Risye: that are from the interviewees. I think all of their
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Marcella Risye: feedbacks are really great. I mean, the fact that they
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Marcella Risye: want to do this with me, who's, you know, this
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Marcella Risye: young girl with a side project? Um, but they've agreed
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Marcella Risye: to spend some time, and they they're willing to share
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Marcella Risye: their stories to the world. I think it's amazing. So
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Marcella Risye: they're really supportive about that.
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Marcella Risye: Um, but then there are also feedbacks from the consumers
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Marcella Risye: who are the readers themselves. I think when I look through, um,
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Marcella Risye: the LinkedIn Post that my interviewees posted, um, about the
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Marcella Risye: growth room article featuring themselves, I think the feedback are
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Marcella Risye: mostly great. And Sam, um, it's it's It's
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Marcella Risye: interesting to see the comments that they're giving to the interviewees,
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Marcella Risye: because I think some of the interviewees that I interviewed
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Marcella Risye: are managers, and some of the comments are really sweet.
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Marcella Risye: They said that you know, they are really inspired, even
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Marcella Risye: just by the small details, because I think one of
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Marcella Risye: the questions in the interviews that I ask in the
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Marcella Risye: articles are
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Marcella Risye: like, Tell me, like, go through with me on a
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Marcella Risye: day in your life, Um, on a weekday, and it's
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Marcella Risye: the little details that are that are interesting. Um, because
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Marcella Risye: it really shows that, you know, your manager is just human.
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Marcella Risye: After all, we make the same coffee, we spend the
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Marcella Risye: same amount of time to read books or go for
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Marcella Risye: a walk. Um, so that's I think is the most
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Marcella Risye: interesting part. Although a lot of people
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Marcella Risye: ask, like, why am I creating a blog article? Like,
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Marcella Risye: you know, podcast is a thing these days, Um, which
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Marcella Risye: is why I think you're doing this, which is great.
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Marcella Risye: But I think, yeah, but I think the whole idea
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Marcella Risye: that I had in mind is to help people create, um,
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Marcella Risye: LinkedIn content.
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Marcella Risye: Um, I think I'm really into LinkedIn these days. I
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Marcella Risye: was previously an instagram person, but I think the the
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Marcella Risye: number of connections that I made from LinkedIn and the
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Marcella Risye: number of great people that I managed to connect with
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Marcella Risye: you being one of them is just It's just amazing,
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Marcella Risye: like I connected with you from LinkedIn, right? So that's
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Marcella Risye: really great. And if I can help others connect on LinkedIn,
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Marcella Risye: I should definitely help them. And here I am in
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Marcella Risye: the background, creating the content for them. It's Yeah, it's
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Marcella Risye: personally quite fulfilling for myself. That's
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Saikat Pyne: that's so lovely to hear, because here you are, as
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Saikat Pyne: you know, with a project that started with a connection
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Saikat Pyne: based on an interview that you gave, and here you
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Saikat Pyne: are enabling others to create connections for themselves. Right? That's
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Saikat Pyne: what the growth room is about. When you share your story,
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Saikat Pyne: you enable others to read about it, share their own story,
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Saikat Pyne: and that's how you create connections between people. So if
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Saikat Pyne: you know there are 100 100 people that you've interviewed
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Saikat Pyne: and they post it to their 100 followers,
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Saikat Pyne: imagine the sheer size of the audience and the sheer
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Saikat Pyne: the number of people who are now listening and hearing
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Saikat Pyne: every word that these people have got to say That
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Saikat Pyne: has an incremental effect. Um, on how the person is
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Saikat Pyne: perceived the self confidence, their body of work and most
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Saikat Pyne: definitely
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Saikat Pyne: how they are perceived, uh, at work and and within
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Saikat Pyne: their professional circles. Right? So that makes a huge difference.
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Saikat Pyne: It's It's a domino effect to write through, because when
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Saikat Pyne: I share something about myself on LinkedIn about being featured somewhere.
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Saikat Pyne: That's That's not what the you Know is expected from
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Saikat Pyne: a mid-level manager.
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Saikat Pyne: It's not expected that the Mid-level manager, the entry level,
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Saikat Pyne: the fresher at work nobody expects to hear from them.
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Saikat Pyne: And the reason behind that is that's how it's always been.
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Saikat Pyne: That's how it's been. That's the only reason why. Why
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Saikat Pyne: are there no media articles about fresh?
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Saikat Pyne: Nobody can answer that. It's just be, Do they not
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Saikat Pyne: do interesting work? I'm sure there are a lot of
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Saikat Pyne: very young people out there doing some truly bad ass work.
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Saikat Pyne: But the only reason that they never get noticed is
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Saikat Pyne: because that's how it is. Somebody decided that that that
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Saikat Pyne: somebody is important and deserves some amount of attention from
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Saikat Pyne: the media, from social media from from ER. And these
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Saikat Pyne: are the the couple of people who get all of
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Saikat Pyne: the attention right in terms of marketing project
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Saikat Pyne: directed towards them elevating their personal brand. So So these
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Saikat Pyne: these company funded projects over time actually elevate their personal brand,
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Saikat Pyne: so the company is truly investing in them, the C
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Saikat Pyne: o right or whoever that can be that that that
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Saikat Pyne: might be the founder,
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Saikat Pyne: but the person who's doing the job at a mid
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Saikat Pyne: management management level at at an entry level is has
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Saikat Pyne: as much skin in the game
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Saikat Pyne: is putting in just as many hours, if not more
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Saikat Pyne: in some cases. So that person deserves to be seen
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Saikat Pyne: just as much as anybody who appears as a company spokesperson. Uh,
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Saikat Pyne: you know, in front of journalists at media events and
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Saikat Pyne: some such right, that person deserves just as much attention
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Saikat Pyne: just as much appreciation and just as much investment from
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Saikat Pyne: the company into building their personal brands.
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Saikat Pyne: Because these are the this is this is the larger
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Saikat Pyne: target audience, right? How many founders can you have for
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Saikat Pyne: a company? One right. Imagine having 1000 employees and every
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Saikat Pyne: single employee endorses you. Every single employee is like a
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Saikat Pyne: good recommendation. Every single employee is like it is like
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Saikat Pyne: a positive if you want, uh, on on Yelp, right?
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Saikat Pyne: Imagine what that would mean for a brand. It just
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Saikat Pyne: means you have 1000 people who are doing free PR
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Saikat Pyne: for you. They are your They are your marketing. They
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Saikat Pyne: are the people driving your marketing because there is so
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Saikat Pyne: much power in word of mouth, right?
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Marcella Risye: Yeah,
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Marcella Risye: Yeah, that's true. I think I know one company who
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Marcella Risye: is actually aligned to what you suggested, and you know
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Marcella Risye: this company. So I think I think LinkedIn um, they
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Marcella Risye: have this, like creator programme. Um, recently, it's it's it's
00:17:40
Marcella Risye: beginning to
00:17:40
Marcella Risye: be very big, and I know that they explicitly encourage
00:17:44
Marcella Risye: the employees to be the creators in their own ways.
00:17:47
Marcella Risye: Like you don't have to be a creator for LinkedIn. OK,
00:17:50
Marcella Risye: despite the fact that you know it's their company, it's
00:17:53
Marcella Risye: where they work. But it's, I think
00:17:56
Marcella Risye: the whole foundation to this is basically just to encourage
00:17:59
Marcella Risye: you to be your own creator, um, to build your
00:18:03
Marcella Risye: own personal branding. So I think that that's really great,
00:18:06
Marcella Risye: that they really acknowledge even the entry levels or even
00:18:09
Marcella Risye: the interns. So that's good to see.
00:18:13
Saikat Pyne: That's that's such a lovely company practise.
00:18:15
Marcella Risye: Not everyone you know wants to be the face of
00:18:17
Marcella Risye: the company, so we leave that open. But I think
00:18:20
Marcella Risye: what we are trying to,
00:18:22
Marcella Risye: um, bring across is the fact that, um, if there
00:18:25
Marcella Risye: are employees that deserve it, and you think that you know,
00:18:28
Marcella Risye: she he or she would appreciate the acknowledgement and quite
00:18:32
Marcella Risye: stop yourself from giving that. Yeah,
00:18:34
Saikat Pyne: absolutely. Absolutely. If there is somebody who's willing to endorse
00:18:38
Saikat Pyne: you and if there is somebody who's willing to step
00:18:41
Saikat Pyne: up and be seen as an advocate for the company.
00:18:45
Saikat Pyne: So now tell me, what are your future plans with
00:18:48
Saikat Pyne: this project? What does look like over the next six
00:18:52
Saikat Pyne: months over the next year? Oh,
00:18:54
Marcella Risye: gosh, I think as much as I've been telling myself
00:18:57
Marcella Risye: to keep a chill and not put too much pressure
00:19:00
Marcella Risye: on this project, there are things that I wish to
00:19:04
Marcella Risye: achieve for the growth room. And I think it all
00:19:07
Marcella Risye: boils down to why I started this in first place.
00:19:10
Marcella Risye: No spoilers for now, but I think as long as
00:19:12
Marcella Risye: you know this can help someone build their personal branding.
00:19:16
Marcella Risye: If this can help connect talents from anywhere around the world,
00:19:20
Marcella Risye: I'm definitely up to growing the growth room to be
00:19:25
Marcella Risye: bigger than what it is now. Not that it's big now,
00:19:27
Marcella Risye: but to, you know, create more impact.
00:19:30
Marcella Risye: Yeah, and maybe if I can ask for one thing.
00:19:34
Marcella Risye: If if, like any founders or HR s listening to
00:19:37
Marcella Risye: this and you wish to nominate someone because you know
00:19:43
Marcella Risye: they did a good job, and you feel like they
00:19:44
Marcella Risye: deserve the recognition. I'd be happy to interview them
00:19:48
Marcella Risye: and help them build their personal branding.
00:19:52
Saikat Pyne: That's such a lovely note to end on. If you
00:19:55
Saikat Pyne: are a founder or you are just a part of
00:19:59
Saikat Pyne: a company's HR, check out Marcelas Growth Room at the
00:20:04
Saikat Pyne: Growth room dot co.
00:20:07
Saikat Pyne: Thank you so much, Marcela for being the first guest
00:20:10
Saikat Pyne: on the You Incorporated podcast. I really appreciate you being
00:20:14
Saikat Pyne: here with me. It's 11 30 PM
00:20:18
Saikat Pyne: Singapore time, people just for reference. And we have Mala
00:20:23
Saikat Pyne: with us still at this hour. So thank you so
00:20:27
Saikat Pyne: much for taking the time out. Thank you for being
00:20:29
Saikat Pyne: so polite, so candid. It's lovely having you on the podcast.
00:20:33
Saikat Pyne: If we people like I said again, go to the
00:20:37
Saikat Pyne: Growth room dot Co and show the project Tonnes of
00:20:41
Saikat Pyne: Love and just drown Marcela in interview invites. I think
00:20:47
Saikat Pyne: she'll love that.
00:20:48
Saikat Pyne: Just drown her in interview invites and and show some
00:20:53
Saikat Pyne: love to the little guy. Show some love to your
00:20:57
Saikat Pyne: entry level workers to your mid-level managers, people who are
00:21:01
Saikat Pyne: carrying the weight of your brand. It's high time that
00:21:06
Saikat Pyne: they get recognised for the effort that they are putting
00:21:09
Saikat Pyne: in every single day into building the brands that they
00:21:13
Saikat Pyne: work for. So on that note,
00:21:16
Saikat Pyne: it's a wrap, and we'll see you guys in the
00:21:18
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