EP50: Have you been a Google Map to Someone's life yet? ft Dr. Sriharsha | Unbound with Mamtaa| EP 50

[00:00:00] Till a couple of years ago I thought we led only two lives personal and professional then over a period of time I also understood we have a third life which is social after having gone through a lot of training myself in past life and astrology and stuff like that I have come to realize that we have a fourth life as well karmic life

[00:00:22] Yet another unstoppable human and yet another episode Dr. Acharya welcome to Unbound and thanks for agreeing to do this I know at a rather shortest notice possible Pleasure But thanks for your promptness and your enthusiasm Where did you start the thought of Unbound? Where did you start the thought of Unbound?

[00:00:46] This all started in 2009 when I joined this new company in Gurgaon called Apollo Munich Health Insurance And it started more from the point of view of making things easy for my own team Talking to them about leadership, talking to them about management, talking to them about a variety of subjects

[00:01:12] For a few months I used to write only to the internal team which consisted of about 7-8 people Then somebody got to know that I am doing this and they said why don't you spread it to another few people So it started increasing and then when more people got to know about it they said hey why don't you make it an organizational phenomena Oh wow! So I spoke to my MD Anthony Jacob at that point in time and explained to him the idea

[00:01:40] I said this is what I intend to do and I had not called it anything at that point in time I used to call it professional development series Okay Okay Okay And write about a lot of stuff Then I got access to the countrywide email list and started sending it out And thankfully enough the response was absolutely brilliant from the ground level

[00:02:06] Look I always believe that you can't take any decision sitting in 24 degrees Correct An AC room like this Regarding somebody who is working in 48 degrees So true So these articles and these experiences started touching these souls of people Then they started coming back to me with feedback

[00:02:35] Sir, write it on this Sir, write it on this Write it on this Write it on this Write it on divorce These are the employees Yeah, write it on festivals Oh wow! Yes, write it on festivals Then slowly I started expanding So one of the festivals came up I wrote a nice Meaningful note on what this festival means And it was a moment in festival And then all the moment in the group came back with the feedback saying Sir, we didn't know this

[00:03:04] Where did you find it from? I said I spoke to the Imam We talked about it in the family We lived in Faridabad in 2010 I went to the local mosque I spoke to the Imam there And he gave me all this I made a note And then I realized that I wrote well Then the festival emails started flowing Then over a period of time I started touching all the topics under the sun Yeah

[00:03:33] Because I firmly believe that we lead Till a couple of days ago I used to feel we lead Or let me say, till a couple of years ago I thought we led only two lives Personal and professional Right? Then over a period of time I also understood we have a third life Which is social Personal, professional, social And more recently after having gone through a lot of training myself in past life and astrology and stuff like that

[00:04:02] I have come to realize that we have a fourth life as well, karmic life How do we all have connected? I started writing I wrote about marriage I wrote about divorce How to study children How to study children How to study children People started liking it And then I started getting feedback Sir, I wrote about suicide Suddenly I got a call from one of the Sir I don't want to disclose my name but

[00:04:32] Your email came from today I was contemplating suicide But whatever you have written there She said your one line that suicide is not easy And it's only for the cowards Is usually what is said But I had said that it takes a lot of bravery to commit suicide She said that I couldn't be able to do it And thank you Similarly stories started flowing when I wrote about divorce Or what is the marriage? What is the marriage?

[00:05:03] Seven steps Why do you take seven? In three or four The marriage is still moving And in three or four The marriage is still moving Why? What does each step mean? I have been married for 35 years And I keep joking I have been married to the same woman But then over a period of time I have seen so many forms of her In 25 years I married a I fell in love with a tomb boy In 27 years

[00:05:33] I married a bride with a starry-eyed In 28 years I saw a mother Right? Then 35 years old So she was a child Then in 40-45 I saw her being a tutor Being the guide Being the philosopher For the kids So we raised the children Then she made a house She made a house She made a house She married a child In 55 years Both of the daughters Right?

[00:06:02] And in today's context We are I was just telling him We are four generations Under the same roof My father and mother Are still there My father is 90 My mother is 81 Next month she will be 81 So that next generation is ours We have two daughters Then my daughter And her son So they were with us Still very recently Now they have moved out Into their own Asiana So that's how life is When I write these experiences One chord is a chord

[00:06:32] Correct Then I saw a lot of other people Writing a lot of stories Then I used to do a lot of travel So in the airport I hear someone's conversation They don't listen to know They speak so loudly on the phone That you are able to sometimes Hear both sides What's happening Both sides also Because those In today's context Those ear plugs Or ear pods Or whatever you call They also sound Right? And I have a pair of specs

[00:07:00] Which have bluetooth speakers Inside So people don't know Sometimes it's crazy That they are going to talk And they are going to talk With your own I've not worn them today But I usually wear it at home Because I do a lot of research And after this device has come I was also explaining to him That I come from a generation A generation that was born in the 60s And today we are in 2000 Almost 25 We are standing in the middle of the Very true

[00:07:30] So in these 60 years We have been able to In the world of analog And virtual reality We have been able to Over the last 5-6 decades I was just telling him that In the 15 minutes You can buy a phone in the 15 minutes And activate it But in 1975 When we booked our first landline It took 15 years for it to arrive Wow! And the day it arrived 15 minutes it worked And then stopped Because Some issue

[00:07:58] So I have seen that Technology, people, process Has always been of interest So that's why my career also took shape in HR And it had become a passion, panache and purpose So the purpose of my life is to lead a life of purpose And to make a difference to people's lives We will go back in your journey And of course 60 years of wisdom Of learning, of growth, development

[00:08:28] But you know Very often than not We do get lost We see some part of us Which is a part of this world And that is all that it is In your case of course I see that There is a lot of internal revolution That you have gone through The 60 years of external Has also gone in a lot of your internal built up When did you really realize That this work should start? The thought of it Or your thoughts

[00:08:57] Or your thoughts evolve Or your outreach To understand yourself Because the way that you put out things It's very clear that you do Have an understanding of who you are Let me take you back to 1986 86 was the time when I was vehemently trying to get into the armed forces Okay

[00:09:23] Because I had a penchant for wearing the uniform I don't know I don't know if I have seen the police Or some of the army, navy, air force Or border security force It's something that happened Even when I go to the airport The CRPF who is standing there I will salute him and say He may be a constable Doesn't matter He is doing his job And they feel so happy about it Take the name And many times

[00:09:53] I have also written prescriptions Because I have a doctor in front of me I used to wear the Apollo badge My daughter is a doctor Okay But I have learnt some stuff from her Today if you ask me what one of my regrets will be in life I would say, doctor Doctor When I was talking about the age of 1982 I just went into engineering I don't know why At that point in time it was only What do you call, either you become an engineer or doctor It was the third You were a doctor

[00:10:23] When you came into engineering Then electronics was a new course So let's do electronics Who knows technology would have evolved like this in so many years Absolutely So that was the year where I could not get into any of these armed forces Despite passing all the examinations The reason is I suffer from color blindness Okay And there is a level of perception that is required Color perception, CP CP Air Force is 1 For Navy For 2 For Army For 3

[00:10:53] My color perception, CP is 4 Okay So at that time I didn't know that What happened to me in 1987-88 was I went into depression I didn't know how to go Yeah And once you get into depression you go to two extremes Either you don't do anything or you do anything You will do anything So he focused on studying He took care of the research He took care of the tech, M-tech, MBA

[00:11:21] In the time of the MBA One of the professors was so good I still remember his name, Professor Nair That he was the one who put that spark into me From a point of view of man management, people management Human resources At that time they didn't use human resources That's what Personnel management More factories At that time they had commercial establishments They left small little shop No one had no fund

[00:11:51] No one had no fund So I went there Then I had the opportunity of working in large conglomerates Manufacturing organizations Very good bosses Who mentored, coached us and that's where when I when I myself became a leader say I became a leader in the year 2000 so in 1986 I started working in 14-15 years I was in leadership roles so what does it happen to me in leadership roles I started thinking about that

[00:12:20] right and that's how I started getting closer to the trenches do it with them do it with them do it with them do it with them do it with them go to their house participate in their festivals in their household events see at the end of the day leadership is not about positions or titles it is always about how you have treated your people if it doesn't come, no one does so true we will teach it if you're wrong, no one does

[00:12:48] that is why that day when I took reference to the Google Maps story what is its primary intent to show you the correct route if Google Maps is a good idea then possibly nobody would use it but what does it do? it does reroute true right so Google Maps you also ignore the mistakes and make sure you reroute the people so then I ask at the end of that story have you had

[00:13:17] have you been a Google Map to somebody in today's context yeah but you know it's very different and difficult also sir to carry that perspective especially when there is no precedence when you have not seen a leader like that when maybe someone has not touched your life in the same way so where do you where does that inspiration comes that says there is one person in my life who brought this change Shekarnath Ghosh rest in peace

[00:13:47] Shekarnath he was my role model okay I'm talking of 90s they taught me how to become a good person if you become a good person then the rest of the world will fall into place so true I just did that and everything started falling into place right the other thing that happened in my life is because of my binge eating post that depression in 87, 88, 89 I started putting on

[00:14:16] a lot of weight at one point in time I busted the weighing machine at about 140 change kgs I don't even want to let you know the numbers 140 and in 2010 I took that drastic decision of going under the knife and got myself a bariatric surgery so in the last 14 years I've reduced 50% of that weight and as of this morning when I came here I weighed myself I'm 74.05 wow so that's been a journey

[00:14:46] of struggle of sacrifice and risk thanks to doctor to the surgeon who operated on me and the kind of support that I got from the hospital but almost for a year or two I was their flag bearer because it was in its infancy I was his fourth patient so imagine the amount of risk he took and I took of course right

[00:15:15] and not in any fancy hospital in metro hospital Faridabad I'm talking of 2010 so that was the time when this story thing started in hospital I was 7-8 days I was studying I used to look at patients and within 2 days I started walking around I'm talking to nurses I'm talking to doctors I'm talking to patients I'm going and counselling somebody I started really saying this is my honor let me start using it yeah

[00:15:45] then I wrote his experiences I wrote his airport in Hyderabad airport I and my grandmother both witnessed father and daughter daughter was going to a different country so he was saying I wish you enough sir I wish you enough I wish you enough I wish you enough I wish you enough no more no less no less why do you stay I wish you enough I wish you enough I wish you enough until I will until I will live

[00:16:15] or I don't know I'm already turning 75 and she's going to a different country it'll be 5 years it'll be 6 years I don't know right then another story we have studied so remember so the story goes somebody two people are on an island and then one person keeps asking for some things from God and the second person saying let him get sarvejana

[00:16:44] bhavanti so when the ship finally comes to take the Lord tells him that you will not jump he will jump he will ask why I asked I was I asked he didn't pray he didn't he came he will he will then you will leave this is one of the stories so my own introspection the kind of larger family that was

[00:17:14] there in terms of employees and their families the kind of managers I had then somebody gave me the wonderful suggestion your thoughts are good suddenly it clicked aachara ke vichara that simple that simple you have to give me the what do you call credit for that I'm releasing the book also in the same name so I just finished the draft content

[00:17:43] last week and yesterday I just finalized the cover so hopefully in the next couple of weeks I'll get to see the first rushes of the book and then looking for a December or a January launch wow wish you great luck on that also the publisher has come back and said sir you have written so many leadership so let's start a series very interesting very interesting indeed but again

[00:18:12] my inquisition is to really know this human who has survived it all and done it cheerfully done it happily done it in a very motivational way and who's leading the path to inspiration for billions of others what kind of got you that I have to survive and I have to lead how did that catch up on you in life

[00:18:42] in the in my corporate journey it has not always been a bed of roses it's always been thorns multiple times I have been without a job okay right at the earlier the latest was 2008 when the market tanked I was part of a VC fund and the VC fund went belly up so in in three months we went from there to boom five months of introspection

[00:19:12] it was the time when that Taj Mahal shooting happened in Bombay 2008 so a lot of instances like that created a flurry of thoughts then I realized that you know life is all about the choices you make it's not the shoes you wear it is the steps you take so destiny

[00:19:42] what you say you have to make it you have to some things you have to the rest you have to make happiness is a decision this is what I learned from my grandmother she is always happy anything I learned from her two things happiness and patience in the office

[00:20:11] we say that your patience is very high I said you didn't give me a baby I'm still struggling so think about how much patience so behind every successful man there is a word multiple women multiple women I have a mother in my house there is a mother there are two daughters there is an adopted daughter and there is also a dog

[00:20:43] that's the true reason to the success beautiful but again you know when something hits us and takes us it has taken us by a storm how do we create separation that I am not this will happen with many people or I am still better off that vision and introspection see I can read motivational books I can listen to many lectures

[00:21:12] and you know speeches but even to get myself to that pedestal that I have to receive this how do you empty yourself of your suffering to then receive it practice gratitude that's what I do and somebody has said I don't remember whose quote this is but he says when God gave me everything I didn't ask him why you gave me when he took away

[00:21:42] a lot of things from me why should I ask him why me that's stuck in my head somewhere yeah so I just be gratitude thanks to the almighty just do good be a good human being as I said be a good human being everything else falls into place even in today's context I moved out of the corporate career retirement I took a lot to focus on A, B, C, D, E

[00:22:12] as I call it my wife was laughing away to glory yesterday what is A, B, C, D, E are you trying to teach your grandson A, B, C, D A for achar ke vichar and HR advisory B for book writing C for coaching wow you haven't defined D for independent directorships oh wow and E for education I want to also enter into that yeah because there lies your future leadership of the country in every field correct colleges

[00:22:41] yeah I've been talking to a few you really can't travel all over the country there but at least Gurnao has quite a number of colleges so I've been in touch with a few of them and they have also reacted positively to it HR or management me class toh lehi satta on his sat sat see leadership through storytelling have you seen those examples back at home because I think that's our first institution in every way all the values everything have been given

[00:23:11] by father and mother even today I discuss a lot of things with my dad he's pushing 90 but he's on his own he stays with me my mother will be 81 as I said next month so disciplined she was a school teacher she was a mathematics hindi and physics teacher a very rare combination mathematics hindi and physics wow right one from each that she actually got discipline from there commitment from there

[00:23:41] dedication from there 35 years with the same organization he lehi right and the way he used to treat his family from there from there then he learned a lot of things today he learned a lot of things although there are so many negative influences in today's context but suddenly he'll come up with something and say hey presto what's going on man where did he learn from this for example reels I didn't know

[00:24:11] 2-3 months before he taught me he said nanu click on this these reels instagram reels instagram reels then I checked with my daughter she's an instagram influencer so he said yes dad that's the button he's right I said who learned that they learned today good people there are so many good friends who have made

[00:24:41] a mark there are so many good thoughts keep coming and it's not the negative thoughts don't come no even today negative thoughts come today I also come to get a client or not you'll get you'll get a a monetize or not you'll get popular it's it's it's it's people are calling okay we'll have to do pro bono sessions okay I'll come independent directives I've registered I passed the exam so I'm 19

[00:25:10] so my daughters are looking at me I said I was life I said the most marks come I've year I've spent a half hour and I've studied for it because I had to go through a lot of material so that also so ABCDE ABCDE then it will be until A to Z me and my wife were having an argument the other day

[00:25:40] argument she was talking about why are you so downcast nothing is happening your message popped up oh wow I said wait a podcast what is it something is happening I said podcast at that moment you know I just stopped one podcast by Ranveer Allahbadia

[00:26:09] he's all over the yes internet in today's context yeah he's leading yeah he's leading by measures this is what is called a podcast I showed her 2-3 podcasts of mine YouTube she said you can talk about it what will you ask what will you ask then I said I said I'll listen to the story as they said it's free flowing so they told it will be a free flowing discussion about you I'll do it I'll do it I'll do it I'll do it I'll do it

[00:26:39] I'll tell you and tell you such stories I'll tell you I'll tell you that someone can get inspiration I'll tell you that someone can do it

[00:26:46] I'll do it I'll tell you

[00:27:15] I'll tell you don't compare to others I'll tell you a story that's true you always want to race that fellow in front of you it's been with me it's been a matter of 2 years ago it was going to be 7 o'clock so one gentleman was walking ahead of me I was still 58 at that point in time and he was a little older I said alright what's your loss from your loss Saphed? Tuck tuck tuck tuck race kia race kia

[00:27:45] race kia so I saw that I'd forgotten to turn to my house I said this is the same when you compare you will lose on your goal miss out on your you will miss out on so many things in the bargain you did not hear the birds chirp you did not hear you did not hear what the people were saying around you did not enjoy the weather the greenery the morning mist the hulky si joh sardi hoti hai woh miss kia so many types of dogs keep walking around in the morning

[00:28:15] so much to acknowledge and imbibe absolutely nature yeah that's the only perfect thing in the world and that's why we are taking it yeah right tabhi to bangalore mein baras ra hai pani coming to again back to your journey aapne bola ki thik back home you have many such examples and your own you know life is full of such people but is there a mechanism that you have really worked out kia i am probably slipping down

[00:28:43] this is really not working out kuch na kuch discouraging dissuading to ho hi jayega but there is a yore ka moment that happens there is an unbounding with yourself that you go into a zone it could be reading or it could be watching it could be playing that you go into that zone and you absolutely hundred percent come out unbounded is there something that you have worked out for yourself yes if you

[00:29:13] ask me what weekends are for i will never say relaxing i will say rejoicing rejoicing whenever i get into i start slipping the go-to thing for me is cooking cooking cooking i research recipes so you are actually dishing out a lot of achars there also absolutely mango achar we make meembu achar we make

[00:29:43] yesterday i made gajarmatar day before yesterday i made vejmakhani wow and south indian so any south indian dish you want to eat ready idli dosa vada sambar rashasam wow so cooking is the go-to go-to i get into the kitchen and that's one thing my wife is always thankful about so if you would like to invite someone who is an unstoppable human

[00:30:11] or would just want to have a conversation with me write to me at unboundwithmamta at gmail.com that is u-n-b-o-u-n-d w-i-t-h m-a-m-t-a-a at gmail.com you can also follow my instagram at the rate mamta podcaster that is m-a-m-t-a-a podcaster certain things we are definitely missing out on this generation i think we are definitely

[00:30:40] telling them how to do online school and all of that but are they really folding their clothes are they really making their beds some key things that one of the things that we have been taught jadu pocha bartan kapda yeah khana self-sufficient self-sufficient wohi sanskar amne bacho khodi jadu pocha kapda khana and dishes yeah

[00:31:08] so they are also adept yeah and my younger one ventures into pan-esian cooking also i am restricted to north and south but with every generation that is going a level up my elder one gets into chinese but the youngest one is into everything everything so in fact Ganesh Chaturthi time me and my wife we treated about 50 people at home wow khana hami ne bana hai dono na mil ke wow khana khoi choti baat nahi absolutely

[00:31:38] you also need to have the requisite vessels for that yeah and the measurements and that eye for detail everything i don't use teaspoon and all that yeah yeah so woh mata ji se sikha hai yeah my grandmother we learnt a lot of stuff yeah she used to be a fabulous so power of observation i would say my dad taught my mother cooking ach i taught my wife cooking and my wife has taught her children cooking and today my wife is a better cook than i am quite a legacy

[00:32:04] and you know looking at your linkedin vichars nobody would think nobody would have thought that there is so many dimensions to this one personality and that's exactly what i want to come to that in this lifetime of let's say a professional career that kind of spreads across 40 years almost 40 years 40

[00:32:34] 45 years 50 years at times we forget who we are right so getting back in touch with that part of you yes where do you come from this push that i have to do is there something that kind of keeps kind of kills inside that it is not good or not good or not full is it some sort of dissatisfaction or again is it some sort of inspiration

[00:33:05] it's a mix of both okay see whether i like the way sadguru speaks right and but if you listen to some of his words there is a lot of meaning forget the rest of the stuff yeah then a lot of other Sandeep Maheshwari and off late there is another gentleman who

[00:33:35] speaks who speaks well as you keep scrolling your screen a lot of stuff keeps coming up both plus and minus and I'm seeing that the issue with today's generation specifically is everything is on internet coping skills is not in coaching business but

[00:34:05] it has to be given see a coach cannot give you a solution he has to drive you to a solution by asking the relevant questions another thing in life that I have done is whenever I speak to somebody that person is more important than me so I want to listen to your story and everybody has a story to tell that's where the achar ke vichar also comes from everybody has a story to tell achar ke vichar chalo chhodo

[00:34:35] mamta ke vichar suno kapil ke vichar suno kisi or ke vichar suno kuch na kuch kahani zaro kuch dikta hai ho sachahi nahi hai I was just telling kapil ki businesses excel sheets pe nahi raha kar te jitna aapko facebook pe dekhtah sachahi nahi everybody cannot be happy I know a lot of stories

[00:35:05] oh you are my life you are my this you are my that and next day you are filing for divorce linkedin har koi successful hai impossible instagram har koi celebrity hai nahi achse kapdhe pahen ke photo nikal ke ڈal do you are only I don't blame those people who are putting it they are putting it for whatever but the people who are watching it need to filter it filter it you filtering baut ضرور in your life me

[00:35:34] loggon ko filtering nahi you how filtering how experience thukar tabhi us ko pata chal hai hum bhi kira hai a bho kook surrit line i think a piki kis post se mujhe yad a you licked ki thik hai her failure me learning but kai ba sir failure hi ho tha hai to us ko accept karne ki joh resilience ab hum nahi rehe gahi how do you

[00:36:04] see acceptance to last step nahi pehle to there is a difference why me yeah us ke baat dhere dhere turns to anger yeah then acceptance comes there are four five steps steps to that yeah tu kaisi process karne failure ko failure needs to be seen as a step forward okay Amas Alva Edison bhi 18,000 baar fail ho ke phir

[00:36:34] 18,000 450 second time bulb yeah right Elon Musk ke baad Tesla khada hua SpaceX khada hua aj ke din man only these kinds of people are able to change the world so a little paagalpan raha na jaroorhi to change the world right Modi has changed which is used for the right things mavericks apple steve

[00:37:04] jobs how people need but how insta and blink generation how can you explain it good question worthy of a very good answer answer is only instant karma how how much things

[00:37:34] come to blink as soon as come to the karma come to come to you food eat today we talk before you everything has been made a responsibility Who are they accountable to? Nobody. Including themselves. They don't have anything. They don't have a different language.

[00:38:02] That is the reason why you're having so much of turmoil in the corporate world. Because managers are not able to, managers and leaders are not able to get to that level to understand that person. Yeah. So, you have to understand this generation first. I said, sitting in the 24th degree, you can't take a decision with 48th degree. It is the same situation. You have to be in the trenches. Be with them.

[00:38:31] See what is interesting to them. Here, I must comment on one thing. I have three PhDs. There are two honoraries. One I have done. And when I did my PhD, this was in 2003. My hypothesis at that point in time that I was trying to prove that a call center in a call if there is a night shift, if there is no team leader

[00:39:00] or a general shift, he leaves the industry. So, for that, I have to make a lot of money. This is a hypothesis. It is a hypothesis. Why does a person come? When you have to buy a laptop, buy a laptop, you have to pay for 5 months, you have to pay for 50,000 rupiah. You have to buy a laptop, you have to go to the US. Yeah. I know these characters. But the equation with those kinds of students

[00:39:30] at that point in time used to be so good that they used to come and talk about anything and everything under the sun to me. So, can every HR person be like that? You can talk about it. Today, there are so many people from previous organizations or the organization I just left who phone and talk to them and speak to them. They are doing this. They are doing this. It is right. They are thinking about it. What is your life? Because I have been counseling a lot of people over a period of time. I have been a counselor. I have been a life counselor.

[00:39:59] I have been a career counselor. I have been a marriage counselor. Education counselor. Today, there is a lot of information but people don't know how to use it. Chat GPT also is giving you a lot of stuff. So, information is a lot and absorption is a lot. Information is a lot of overload. Absorption is not. Absorption is not. How to deal with these people? See, I cannot get into an argumentative mode with my daughter.

[00:40:29] I have to understand where she is coming from. Only then the conversation will be healthy. And it's not that I realized it day one. You are two, four times. I have been a tutor. Papa, you won't understand. You don't understand. You don't understand. You don't understand. The wrong thing is in me. It can be in me. Let's read what is millennials and else's. What is Gen Z? What is Gen Z? The psychologist's papers

[00:40:58] you read about it. Write. Give feedback from Gen Z. Give them feedback. Now, the alpha is coming. Beta, gamma. Alpha, beta, gamma. It's like that. But five things are like that. Five things that I have through my research and all that stuff. And even today, I keep talking. I asked my father who is 90 years old. I said, were these five things important for you as a person who was working? I said, yes. I asked my mother

[00:41:27] who is 10 years younger to him. She said, yes. I asked my compatriots. Hey, are these things important to you? Yes. I asked 50s, 40s, 30s, 20s. What are those five things? And in no particular order. Trust. Respect. Flexibility. Flexibility. Today's day. It was also meaning. It was meaning. It was meaning. It was meaning. Outlook. Perspective.

[00:41:56] Flexibility. Your benefits. You have to go home. You have to go home. You have to go home. You have to go home. My kid is sick. It's a bit. Empowerment. Tools. How do you do it? How do you do it? I come from an era where payroll processing used to be handmade. We used to put money in the payslip. After the payslip. Before, it was made with the payslip.

[00:42:27] Yeah. I remember those days. And I remember today. When the money went out and how many EMIs went out of that. One night. Next day, Thunthun Gopal. Thirtieth, you hear the ting. Salary came. You are happy. First morning, you ting, ting, ting, ting, ting. Ting, ting, ting, ting. So these five things. And the fifth one is compassion. Compassion.

[00:42:56] It is no more empathy. It is compassion. Empathy is I understand. Compassion is I feel it along with you. These five things if you are in social life, in personal life, official life, in karmic life, so life is a life. Sir, it is a very idealistic conversation. But I would like to understand.

[00:43:26] We are so conscientious humans who are scared from becoming because it does require a lot of investment. Not everyone takes a deep dive into understanding that why I am not becoming a child. Or why I am not understanding my Why I am not mother. Why do I am not word? We kind of leave it halfway through. No patience.

[00:43:55] As a leader also, we leave it halfway through and as somebody who is on the taking or giving side, how would you collectively awaken that consciousness and inspire people to go beyond in a relationship? Relationships last only because of two-way communication. And as I said in the two-way communication, when you are the listener, just listen.

[00:44:26] That's exactly what I used to do as a corporate guy and in my personal relationships. Because well begun is half done. So whatever you have been out and if you have facilitated that person's all his emotions coming out, then there is a level playing field for talking. Otherwise, you will be talking from your state of mind, he will be talking from

[00:44:55] his state of mind. And then ego begins. There are three states of ego. One is child ego, one is adult, and another. Parent, I think. It has to be straight. Child, even if you are a parent, come down to the child ego and talk to the child. Today, if I scream at that four-year-old fellow, you won't understand anything. Correct. He is We are talking. Don't Don't

[00:45:25] I do that myself. My wife will come. Why are you talking? She is talking. She is talking. Oh, sorry. Okay. Babu, Shona, what do you want? Why are you talking? She will say something. She won't give it. She won't give it. She won't give it. Give it. Give it. Now, tell me what's the problem. No, no, here is happening. Here is Kujali. That's the thing. Manifestation is happening. Kujali is He is pointing to Jitu

[00:45:56] and Ramu are staff and in today's context we have imbibed in him you will not call them by name Jitu Mama Ramu Mama you will say it you will not say it what happens is Jitu and Ramu will be speaking in Tutarak this fellow is listening then there are other kids who will come neighbors kids

[00:46:26] suddenly this fellow is picked up I am surprised I learned how to do it so I asked him he was in a good mood he was watching something who taught him he taught him I said okay let me know what to do so you have to research communication is very important now we take the same context we take the leadership role in the role employee employee employer and leader

[00:46:55] and you know team same what problem is you how can I do your help how can I do your help why is it late doesn't serve any purpose all okay fine can I help you do you need any assistance compassion trust the guy when he is saying my child is sick trust him yeah don't say get me your child's

[00:47:25] medical certificate people do this yeah this that's what I am saying leadership is no position no title no nothing how do you inspire people just by the method you treat hmm I go back to shekharnath Ghosh that I learned how do I teach compassion my wife was in her third or fourth month of pregnancy I am talking of 1992

[00:48:20] 92 that had to go in the evening and she had some pain okay fourth month okay intercom call I said sir problem what problem fourth month of pregnancy I need to rush to the hospital he said who are you doing on the job give it to me I'll have you covered go sir it's going to be

[00:48:52] you go motorcycle I went to the hospital he reached the house at 5-6 then I came back to office hmm he was still sitting there yeah because he wouldn't have been able to complete that without my help yeah and I knew that yeah so for that last bit he needed my assistance because I was only the one who was dealing with that but look at my

[00:49:22] my my time he said go without blinking an eyelid so I came back I didn't even call yeah I just came back at 6 o'clock he was still sitting there we finished the job at 7 and both of us went happy home he was happy I was happy my wife was happy our boss was happy work was done yeah in the day I follow that same thing I said

[00:49:51] work from home remote working return to office this is all I have practiced this from so many years correct do not work from home today do not work from home 15-20 years do not work from home covid there was no need to come wife to go to the dispensary to go to the hospital I don't have a caretaker at home today I was still in the house connected it was hard if you didn't come then what was it the phone was yeah

[00:50:21] there is no thing that cannot be managed with one or two people missing I think the intrinsic part to what you are saying is that responsibility just do it with that authenticity and responsibility when you trust the guy he will return that trust twice correct when you say good then you don't do that because good comes to home yeah it is karma and work and keep it

[00:50:51] okay and in local places put it in the dirt in the dirt So those are some of the principles that are solid. You need to orient your mind. Because this mind is always a chanchal. It is also a chanchal and it is also a selfish. Selflessness feeling and on the pedestal you need to see yourself that I am doing it for the greater good. This is just not my benefit.

[00:51:20] It is a good thing. Making a difference to people's lives. Purpose, panache and passion in today's context. Step up. Where do they get it? It is not extrinsic. It is intrinsic. And it has to take so many years of undergrating. Unless the person is a born saint. A child in today's day and I have seen him on so many flights. And the way he speaks.

[00:51:51] Wow. Seven, eight year old kid. Wonderful. Wonderful. You have to be born with that. Yeah. Otherwise it has to come from within. Deep within. Which is only... deep within. After you have gone through that grueling of life. After you have gone through the sign curves. Yeah. After you have scaled mountains and then you have been asked to go down or jump down. Yeah. Without a glider or whatever. Mar khaya hai.

[00:52:21] Thapede. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. I'll quickly jump on to a few rapid questions. This is... Of course you've come unbounded on the show and we can continue and so much more to be spoken. But this one particular segment which is my personal favourite where... Questions are very many.

[00:52:50] I'll keep throwing it at you and I'm sure the stories will keep coming out. But these questions are that we will get only a few seconds to respond in a word or maybe in a sentence. So are you ready for this? Absolutely. All right. So here we go with the rapid reflex round. One thing that life means for you? Just one word answer.

[00:53:20] Fantastic journey. All right. Never have you ever? Regreted anything. Fear to you is? Unknown. Failure to you is? Part of life. Happiness is? A decision. One thing which is a must for Dr. Acharya to do in the morning? Gratitude to God. And one thing which is a must for you as a bedtime ritual? Gratitude to God. Define this person

[00:53:49] in your life. Your wife. Epitome of patience. Wow. And food is? Eat to live. Don't live to eat. Okay. Travel. What does that mean to you? Learning. Experience. And learning is a? Just complete the sentence. Learning is what builds your stature. Okay.

[00:54:19] Your hidden passions. Hidden passions. Again, making a difference to people's lives. Touching people's lives. And leading a life for purpose. Okay. If not this industry, where would you have found yourself befitting the most? I've worked across multiple industries. But I think the maximum solace and the great experience I've had

[00:54:48] is health insurance. Because it's close to my heart as well. Because of the story that I told you about my weight loss and stuff like that. So that becomes that much more easy to inspire people to say, please buy health insurance. And that's one thing that I always keep doing. I don't think I did it in that Mercer thingy. But I should have. Yeah. And I never used to say, this company. You want to buy wherever you want. Buy it but cover. Cover. Buy it and keep it in the cupboard. And we will pray that you don't use it. Use it.

[00:55:20] Define yourself in just one word or a sentence. Aachar is HR and HR is Aachar. Failures, of course, you've talked about. Do you hold any fear in life? No, I don't fear anybody. Anything? Any eventuality? No, I'm ready. I'm ready.

[00:55:50] And what do you see? Everyone. Ready? Go now? Let's go. Go now. Let's go. Is there anything you think a lot more time is required to be done? Any kind of loss that you feel that this doesn't happen or this will happen? No regret? No, no regret until today. And I'll talk about this regret.

[00:56:21] When a person's death happens, what happens in the company? They make a half hour and what does HR do? Do not buy replacement. Yeah. They say compensation benefits to all of them. If there is policy in the company that they want to give a job or a child's job, start talking. Yeah. After 15 days. Yeah. What happens in the house?

[00:56:53] Same. You're not replaceable at home. In the office, you're replaceable. That's my thinking. who will be the maximum affected? Five. Nobody else. Children have their own lives. That's written in the days. You come back to normal. Yeah. So 13 days of shock. After that, it takes some more time to cope.

[00:57:23] And then in three months, life is back to normal. And some of the things that are happening in that arena also, I, my wife was telling me the other day that we have a, she has an aunt. She's been widowed maybe what, 10, 12 years now. In a marriage, in a South Indian marriage, there is an event wherein all the people who are married

[00:57:54] will be seated and they do something with They have a challenge given to who is married in you will with me. Okay. So my sister asked, what can happen? Why can't happen? She's changing her. Think end of the day widow is her position. What is she? Individual, human being, woman,

[00:58:26] lal khoun. Why you want to differentiate? Okay. I'll give you a solution. In all of solution. She went and told her brothers, brother, why this is saying, your sister. She said, the idea is good, it's changing. The world is changing. Include respect.

[00:58:56] Respectfully include. Absolutely. Inclusivity. Yeah. She's wearing the She's wearing the shoes. She's wearing the hands. She's wearing Just because the vermilion is not there, it doesn't mean anything. Who has made these rules? God has made it. He said, man has made it. Who has made it? He has made it. In time, it was

[00:59:25] made it depending on what that person used to do. Okay. Brahmins will do Pooja part. These academics. Chatriya will fight wars. Next, next. Today, we are fighting democracy elections. Casteism has become completely different thing which was when it was envisaged.

[00:59:55] The idea was something else. The intent was something else. Today's intent is completely different. And there comes intent and real intent. It's level. Intent is not know. It is like trust. Every time you have to be trustworthy. Our father has been time. It's been 30-40 years. Every instance, every event is a moment of truth.

[01:00:28] Tata is different. But even Tata today has to face the same music. Every time you But that trust that has been built over a period of time continues to help their brand identity. That legacy. No regrets. Nothing to lose. Living light. No fears. No fears. I sleep very well every night. And I'm a light sleeper.

[01:00:56] If she's feeling lazy, I'll give it. If I'm feeling lazy, she'll do it. No problem. So, it's centered around him currently. Yeah. Of course, you've talked about your personal challenges. Any biggest professional challenge that you had to tide through these 40 years? There was a time, 26-11 when it happened,

[01:01:27] as the photographs and videos started coming, there was a big panic because all our clients at that point in time, I used to work with a company called First Ring. We were American banking clients. Providian Bank, American Express. And over a period of time, they all started reducing the work to India. So, at one time, we had to about 7-8 people.

[01:02:01] So, that was a very, very tough time, tough situation because we put our sweat and blood to bring in these guys into the organization, train them and then suddenly because of some event somewhere in the world, the business had to be pulled back. Yeah. So, that was one of the toughest times that I've undergone and we've handled it very beautifully. Does that emotionally disturb you? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know them like your children. Yeah.

[01:02:31] But what we did at that point in time was we put them on half salary. Okay. Very conscious decision. Yeah. I said three months of 75% salary, three months of half salary and we have six months and in these six months we will out place you. Yeah. So, there were five other call centers that were coming up at that point in time. First ring was the first one to put up its office. So, I went personally to everywhere. Our management

[01:03:01] members also met all those investors and promoters of those companies. It's a ready-made talent. We don't have a problem. No objection certificate. So, almost 90% of them got placed. 10% who were not any person who were in time will get later. But the beauty is the people who are in

[01:03:30] with me. They are in touch with me. We had lost touch and more than Facebook and LinkedIn is now coming back. My whole 10th standard when I cleared 10th it was 1980. All the 13 14 of us are in the same group. One guy passed away. So, that group is there. My engineering group is there. My old organization group is there. The new organization group is there.

[01:04:00] And the first ring has built in the first ring. There are about 200-300 people. And the beauty is all of them have done well for themselves. And the other thing I'm

[01:04:30] doing doing 200-300 people over the last 20-30 years. At least about 270-280 people have done very well for themselves. 30-40 people have done well. That doesn't consume you. I'm happy. What is the role of a leader to create followers? And they carry the same ideology that I have inculcated in them.

[01:05:01] Sir, you can't be like sir. Oh, let me leave. I leave. Sir, You can't HR. Thank you for the compliment. Compliment is an art. So they are using similar techniques in their one where is used and other can or not there is no guarantee. But customize Taylor made a solution in today's context.

[01:05:31] So they're using it. It's working. What more do you want? How awesome. I think as a leader that's what your vision is. You don't design but if that difference created your thoughts your commitment or service you've really led them to the right. In my previous organizations

[01:06:01] this morning mail used to go to about 15,000 people. That's the highest number. And 15-20 people write back. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. It's good. good. Then somebody will question how did this respond back. Then she says today's story was very nice. I am taking a copy of this. I printed

[01:06:30] it and I'm taking it home and I'll read out the story to my kid. Because I touch kids. I touch adults. I touch older generations. I touch marriage as I said. I touch divorce. I touch the sun. I touch the moon. I touch festivals. I touch emotions. I touch feelings. I touch materialism. And actually I have done sneak out and put a screenshot

[01:07:00] in your family group. This makes a difference to one person in a day. How many years have been? 14 15 years into 460 thousand days. No. 6 thousand days. If it has made a difference to 6,000 people. What many thousands? What life? And through them and others it just

[01:07:30] multiplies. grows, it becomes weak. When grows, it becomes weak. So thank this path for us. And I think what you have truly told us is also the power of just communicating and reaching out. Something which we all are doing meaninglessly with the devices and tools that we have, but we are really not empowering ourselves.

[01:08:00] We are still looking in comparison and not collaboration. So thanks a lot for bringing that light of hope. And we wish you a lot of success and a lot of vichards coming our way. We hope that this story continues for us and keep inspiring and keep leading us. But this wellness and all, again it has to come from within. All wellness programs and organizations have failed. Nobody wants it.

[01:08:30] It's invading too much into my privacy. Privacy. Oh. All these helplines for mental wellness are not They are used. the of the the don't want to tell. They need that trust factor. hmm will come to me

[01:09:00] tell me yeah I won't tell you yeah how many problems we have solved they have solved the solution is in your hand yeah you don't have to look for solutions everywhere there is there is a solution there is a solution there is a solution you have to come out of that emotion correct problem do not look from the other from the other from the other from the other so if you are in your problem you will never come like our like our

[01:09:29] everything says be a witness be an observer yeah look at the above yeah problem yeah but this is important everybody has a story to tell everybody has a story to tell until there are stories we are here which I will continue unbound we will continue and we will keep coming back for more with that I think you have truly come unbounded on the show sir I mean thanks for sharing this joy

[01:09:59] this journey your happiness even your fears and failures with us we would want to keep coming back to you next time with your book oh sure yeah in a couple of months absolutely we will have you back for more thank you so much for tuning in to this episode and for all the episodes you can come back to Unbound with Mamta now available on 20 plus audio streaming platforms Spotify Amazon Ghana iTunes

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