LinkedIn Plays Games

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[00:01:29] Hey kids you're listening to The Chad and Cheese Podcasts.

[00:01:32] I'm your co-host Joel Van Gogh Cheesman.

[00:01:36] This is Chad.

[00:01:37] Who gave me that fucking Yeager bomb so much?

[00:01:40] And on this week's show, LinkedIn plays games.

[00:01:43] Self checkout is fading and who do you rather?

[00:01:47] Let's do this.

[00:01:52] Okay listener, how can you help your employees become more productive?

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[00:03:44] Yeah, I texted my wife that I had done a Yeager bomb and she said,

[00:03:47] what is it your 21st birthday?

[00:03:52] Yeah, when they came to the table, thanks Bill Borman.

[00:03:55] Thanks Bill Borman.

[00:03:57] It came to the table two handfuls of Yeager bombs.

[00:04:01] I'm like, what is this shit?

[00:04:03] What is going on here?

[00:04:04] I was just a welcome to Europe from Mr. Borman.

[00:04:08] I don't even remember what's in a Yeager bomb outside of Yeager.

[00:04:12] Is it cool?

[00:04:13] Is it Red Bull?

[00:04:14] Like what?

[00:04:14] I think it is.

[00:04:15] Okay, Red Bull and yeah, awesome.

[00:04:20] Homeboy is not human.

[00:04:23] He's like the Winston Churchill.

[00:04:25] Have you ever seen the Winston Churchill daily diet?

[00:04:29] It's like scotch and cigars all day.

[00:04:31] And he lived to 90.

[00:04:32] That's Bill Borman.

[00:04:33] Yeah, except Borman doesn't do cigars.

[00:04:37] He just doubles up on the scotch.

[00:04:39] Yeah, and the no sleep thing.

[00:04:41] I think Churchill got some sleep while he was busy finding the Nazis.

[00:04:46] But I mean, Borman is only like 30 years old.

[00:04:49] So.

[00:04:53] It's taken a toll.

[00:04:54] It's taken a toll.

[00:04:56] Yeah, he's not quite 90 yet.

[00:04:58] He only only looks at love that guy.

[00:05:01] Love that guy.

[00:05:02] Yeah, it's so nice.

[00:05:04] Leven Van Evenhausen and Rika Copenson too bad either.

[00:05:08] My god, we had a blast yesterday.

[00:05:10] Well, the great show.

[00:05:11] So yeah, we failed to mention that we're recording from Amsterdam.

[00:05:14] We are at the E Recruitment Congress.

[00:05:16] Amsterdam.

[00:05:18] Which is usually in Belgium, but they put it in Amsterdam this year.

[00:05:23] What a great conference.

[00:05:25] What a hidden gem that most of people in states have no idea or in Europe.

[00:05:30] The music about?

[00:05:31] Yeah, it's this multi-billion dollar company,

[00:05:35] Bain Capital.

[00:05:36] They're growing this Congress.

[00:05:38] It could be an up and coming thing that becomes mainstream for everybody.

[00:05:44] All a rec fest and unleashed, but great conference.

[00:05:47] And I love how they utilize us.

[00:05:50] Yeah, they put us in the balcony.

[00:05:52] I'll hold up it guys.

[00:05:55] And so many conferences, you get a presentation.

[00:05:58] And they like, does anyone have a question in the audience?

[00:06:01] And it's this awkward sort of moment where who's going to ask the question?

[00:06:05] What's it going to be?

[00:06:06] You got to run the microphone to the person that raises their hands.

[00:06:09] It's just awkward.

[00:06:10] Yeah, so with this setup, the presentation goes.

[00:06:14] They know they're going to get Q&A.

[00:06:15] They sit down on the couch.

[00:06:17] We hit them with a little banter, little questions.

[00:06:21] And I think it runs much more smoothly.

[00:06:24] I think more conferences should have journalists, podcasters, bloggers,

[00:06:27] whatever they're there to ask questions right after their session.

[00:06:31] I think it's great.

[00:06:32] Yeah, agreed, agreed.

[00:06:34] Yeah, and I am ready, just about ready,

[00:06:37] to wrap up this world win tour.

[00:06:39] Julien, I went to Vegas and that's when we left the house.

[00:06:43] Then we spent a couple of days in Houston doing visa stuff for Portugal.

[00:06:48] And then we came straight here from Houston.

[00:06:50] So it's been a whirlwind trip.

[00:06:53] It's been a blast.

[00:06:54] The Europeans are amazing.

[00:06:56] They always make it fun and they always want to show you around.

[00:07:00] Hope I get to see everybody.

[00:07:01] If I don't, I'm sorry.

[00:07:03] I'll see you next time.

[00:07:04] It's so laid back and chill here.

[00:07:06] I love it.

[00:07:07] So you're here for a few more days.

[00:07:08] You leave one Saturday?

[00:07:10] Yeah, even Saturday afternoon.

[00:07:12] Yep.

[00:07:12] So I'm headed out.

[00:07:13] I've never been to Germany.

[00:07:15] So I'm just going to take a few days.

[00:07:16] Gonna go to Dusseldorf.

[00:07:18] Where Bill Bournemann is going to be.

[00:07:20] I'm going to try to avoid him as much as possible.

[00:07:23] He's got a little valk thing there.

[00:07:25] Apparently I'm trying to try to...

[00:07:26] I'm doubling down on my penicillin

[00:07:28] so I don't catch the valk while I'm in Dusseldorf.

[00:07:30] Good call.

[00:07:31] And then I'm headed to...

[00:07:32] We call it Cologne.

[00:07:34] But apparently it's Cologne or Cologne.

[00:07:38] Anyway, I'll be there for a couple of days flying out of there

[00:07:40] coming back Saturday and then we get a good month or so off of travel.

[00:07:44] So we're covering time.

[00:07:46] It is weird how we...

[00:07:48] I mean Americans can try to...

[00:07:49] America,

[00:07:50] Fie all the...

[00:07:52] And maybe it's not just us.

[00:07:53] Maybe it's the rest of the English-speaking world.

[00:07:55] But yeah, the way that you spill Cologne

[00:07:58] is K-O-L.

[00:08:00] Oh, how's it new, Malt?

[00:08:01] K-O-L-N, right?

[00:08:03] So Cologne.

[00:08:04] And but we call it Cologne.

[00:08:05] So I've found...

[00:08:06] Yeah, it's probably like Cologne.

[00:08:08] Cologne.

[00:08:09] Okay, well this is an abbreviated show.

[00:08:12] We're both pretty hungover

[00:08:14] which if you're watching on YouTube

[00:08:15] you can figure that out.

[00:08:17] If not, it's definitely in Chad's voice.

[00:08:19] I think my voice might be a little better this morning.

[00:08:23] We'll get back to the birthdays

[00:08:24] but we cannot fail to mention that.

[00:08:27] If you like free stuff go to chachys.com

[00:08:29] click the free link.

[00:08:31] We're getting new t-shirts printed up

[00:08:33] so those will be going...

[00:08:35] Now shortly we got

[00:08:37] bourbon selection from Texcarnel.

[00:08:39] Free beer from Aspen Tech Labs.

[00:08:41] And if it's your birthday...

[00:08:43] If it's your birthday month you might just win.

[00:08:46] Rum.

[00:08:47] Rum from...

[00:08:48] Rum.

[00:08:49] And if I can find the sound bite that everybody loves

[00:08:52] we can maybe at least give people some of that.

[00:08:56] There you go.

[00:08:57] Did you feel the tension in the air

[00:09:00] right now?

[00:09:01] I know I can.

[00:09:02] I can feel all the way down in my pocket.

[00:09:03] I could feel a little kebou

[00:09:05] in my plums last night.

[00:09:07] If you haven't enjoyed some kebou kids

[00:09:10] that's right.

[00:09:11] The...

[00:09:12] Mario Sensation

[00:09:15] yeah, kebou.

[00:09:16] Alright that's...

[00:09:17] If you're in our socials

[00:09:18] you've probably seen the kebou.

[00:09:20] That's enough of that this morning.

[00:09:22] Yeah that's enough of that.

[00:09:23] I want to thank

[00:09:26] you know

[00:09:27] here Jan who is here we got to see him

[00:09:29] and then also

[00:09:31] got to see

[00:09:32] Head Hard from Texcarnel.

[00:09:33] T-shirt that you're wearing

[00:09:34] if you're watching on YouTube.

[00:09:36] I didn't see her hard.

[00:09:37] I didn't get my her eye time.

[00:09:39] I'm very upset about that.

[00:09:41] So yeah, I got the Texcarnel right.

[00:09:42] He's ducking in trying to duck you.

[00:09:44] He's a busy guy.

[00:09:45] I get it.

[00:09:46] I get it.

[00:09:47] He's a busy guy just like the news

[00:09:50] from this video.

[00:09:52] Topics!

[00:09:55] Alright little LinkedIn goodness.

[00:09:58] Reports say LinkedIn is venturing

[00:10:00] into gaming with puzzle-based experiences

[00:10:03] like

[00:10:04] queens and

[00:10:06] inference.

[00:10:07] Why do this you ask?

[00:10:08] Well they're apparently aiming to

[00:10:10] increase user engagement

[00:10:12] and deepen connections

[00:10:13] expanding beyond its traditional

[00:10:15] professional focus chat.

[00:10:17] Is LinkedIn just playing games here?

[00:10:20] Or are they really serious this time?

[00:10:22] Ah.

[00:10:24] It's so bad.

[00:10:26] Yeah, I get the whole sticky part but

[00:10:28] this to me doesn't make any sense and

[00:10:30] this is not going to

[00:10:31] how's it going to deepen connections?

[00:10:33] I mean I can see that you maybe play

[00:10:35] world with like a kidding.

[00:10:36] Like a kidding.

[00:10:36] The hours dialogue model.

[00:10:38] I mean I just it doesn't make any sense.

[00:10:40] Not to mention you're talking about

[00:10:41] professional network

[00:10:43] which on the professional side of the house

[00:10:45] you want to stay with productivity

[00:10:47] and productivity in games

[00:10:49] don't kind of go together.

[00:10:50] So instead of doing my jobs on you know

[00:10:52] my job are my project.

[00:10:54] I'm on LinkedIn

[00:10:56] playing a crossword puzzle or some stupid

[00:10:58] shit who knows what kind of

[00:11:00] fucked up games LinkedIn is going to play.

[00:11:03] But I just can't say it enough.

[00:11:06] LinkedIn needs to revitalize the platform itself.

[00:11:10] It needs to stop adding stupid shit on it.

[00:11:13] They've had what the videos and the

[00:11:15] Instagram and the podcast and all

[00:11:17] these things that just kind of like

[00:11:18] were thrown there

[00:11:20] and they really they haven't gotten any traction.

[00:11:23] Right. I mean you could say

[00:11:24] they've been utter failures while

[00:11:27] the infrastructure that is linked in

[00:11:29] is decades old.

[00:11:31] So I don't understand why they're spending

[00:11:34] so much time with these stupid little

[00:11:36] projects when they have a big issue

[00:11:38] when the Titanic

[00:11:40] is sinking

[00:11:42] you don't rearrange the jet chairs okay?

[00:11:45] I like that.

[00:11:45] I like that.

[00:11:46] 60% of the time it works

[00:11:49] every time.

[00:11:50] So when I first read this headline I thought

[00:11:52] oh they're introducing some sort of like

[00:11:55] trade-ify,

[00:11:56] pymetrics,

[00:11:58] visual assessment gaming thing.

[00:12:00] No no this is like

[00:12:02] chess or checkers on LinkedIn

[00:12:06] which is

[00:12:07] I just don't get it

[00:12:09] maybe it's a 20% extra time thing

[00:12:12] but they would be much more served if they did

[00:12:15] if they were creating some sort of

[00:12:16] visual assessment that people could take

[00:12:18] as part of their LinkedIn experience.

[00:12:21] So that was kind of a bummer.

[00:12:23] Look I agree with you they need to focus on the

[00:12:26] blocking and tackling

[00:12:28] their job search sucks we've talked about

[00:12:30] that pretty extensively

[00:12:32] stability of the platform.

[00:12:34] All that stuff can be improved

[00:12:36] for sure why they're wasting time

[00:12:38] and resources on games is kind of ridiculous.

[00:12:41] I mean just open up an app store

[00:12:42] and have people develop games

[00:12:44] like Facebook if you're going to do that.

[00:12:46] Which actually would be kind of interesting

[00:12:47] if LinkedIn opened up

[00:12:49] an app store.

[00:12:50] And you mentioned the video like

[00:12:53] I actually think they may they may have bailed on video too quickly

[00:12:56] oh yeah just for our video experience

[00:12:59] the shorts that we put out are very popular.

[00:13:03] I mean they had shorts

[00:13:04] maybe they could have put it within the feed

[00:13:06] as opposed to like just up at top.

[00:13:09] I mean there's there are ways to increase engagement

[00:13:12] that video brings

[00:13:13] that they just scrapped and I think

[00:13:15] that would be a much better idea to bring back stories

[00:13:17] just do it better

[00:13:19] and learn from what TikTok and Reels has done

[00:13:22] to get more engagement but yeah I'm

[00:13:25] I don't get the games.

[00:13:26] I think that's it's just really stupid

[00:13:28] it was kind of seen in the wild

[00:13:29] maybe it's a big experiment

[00:13:31] that got loose it shouldn't have

[00:13:32] but if LinkedIn becomes this games platform

[00:13:35] like it could be a jump the shark moment

[00:13:38] I don't know.

[00:13:39] Well I think what you're seeing is

[00:13:41] it's an advertising play

[00:13:42] and they need people to stay

[00:13:43] on the platform longer to click on more shit

[00:13:46] they at least see more shit

[00:13:47] right so you get the impressions

[00:13:48] that are playing through.

[00:13:50] They're trying it feels like

[00:13:52] they're trying their damnedest

[00:13:54] to be an advertising platform

[00:13:56] right with a bunch of professionals on it.

[00:13:59] Fix the videos.

[00:14:00] Yeah.

[00:14:00] Fix the shorts.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:01] Fix the shorts.

[00:14:02] You could do some things

[00:14:04] you could do some really amazing things

[00:14:06] with videos

[00:14:07] with I mean there are connectivity

[00:14:09] opportunities within LinkedIn

[00:14:11] there always happen right.

[00:14:12] That's where ads are going

[00:14:14] that's everyone's creating tick talk ads

[00:14:16] reals yeah like do die

[00:14:18] I don't get it.

[00:14:19] The LinkedIn lives I mean people do them

[00:14:21] but they a lot of them don't get

[00:14:23] they don't really get the traction

[00:14:26] but still they're using it

[00:14:28] I think they could amp that up

[00:14:29] they could use more of that

[00:14:30] they could they could actually do

[00:14:31] like Riverside does

[00:14:33] we go into Riverside after

[00:14:35] we're done

[00:14:36] we click Magic Clips

[00:14:38] and it creates like 20 different

[00:14:40] snippet videos of our

[00:14:43] of our podcast

[00:14:44] it's easy or an opus clip

[00:14:46] or something like that

[00:14:47] they could do something like that

[00:14:48] you would have a you know

[00:14:49] you're linked in live

[00:14:51] and you can turn shorts into

[00:14:52] I mean there's just

[00:14:53] it could be a content generating

[00:14:55] machine but they're doing

[00:14:57] stupid shit like playing chess

[00:15:00] but again

[00:15:01] if they were doing something

[00:15:03] I mean I don't want to talk

[00:15:04] about the popping

[00:15:05] the balloon of

[00:15:06] pie metrics which I think is

[00:15:08] the stupidest fucking games

[00:15:10] we've ever seen

[00:15:10] and they say this measures your

[00:15:12] risk tolerance

[00:15:12] no it doesn't

[00:15:13] you're fucking stupid

[00:15:14] right

[00:15:15] we even heard

[00:15:16] Hilke Schoeman who

[00:15:18] spoke this week

[00:15:19] who wrote the book called

[00:15:22] Algorithm

[00:15:22] she was on the show a few months

[00:15:24] back

[00:15:25] even talking about how stupid

[00:15:26] that shit is

[00:15:27] if there was something

[00:15:28] that could be used

[00:15:31] chess

[00:15:31] you know

[00:15:32] I mean there are all

[00:15:33] these different things

[00:15:33] rankings and what not

[00:15:36] that would help

[00:15:38] understand

[00:15:39] you know maybe mental fitness

[00:15:40] or something of that

[00:15:41] nature that might make sense

[00:15:42] but I still think it's

[00:15:43] outside of the

[00:15:44] tam

[00:15:45] of linked in

[00:15:46] fixed video

[00:15:47] and by the way

[00:15:48] Microsoft owns team

[00:15:49] switches a video platform

[00:15:50] like it can be that hard

[00:15:51] to integrate

[00:15:52] some video shit

[00:15:53] partner

[00:15:54] I don't get it

[00:15:55] I don't get it

[00:15:55] let's take a quick break

[00:15:57] okay

[00:15:57] I need a new

[00:15:58] honey and other glass of water

[00:15:59] and we'll talk

[00:16:00] a little

[00:16:00] who'd you rather

[00:16:05] human resources

[00:16:06] is supposed to be about humans

[00:16:08] I mean it's right there in the name

[00:16:10] but when your hiring team

[00:16:11] is more like an assembly line

[00:16:13] glued to their computers

[00:16:14] manually posting heaps of jobs

[00:16:17] everywhere they can think of

[00:16:18] that human part feels nowhere to be found

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[00:17:07] all right Chad

[00:17:10] it's time to play a little game

[00:17:12] that we like to call

[00:17:16] who'd your rather if you haven't

[00:17:18] heard us play this from before

[00:17:20] we talk about two startups

[00:17:22] that have gotten funding and Chad and I

[00:17:24] decide who'd your rather

[00:17:26] I'm happy

[00:17:28] all right let's play here we go

[00:17:29] and then

[00:17:30] corner number one we got melons

[00:17:33] talentware

[00:17:34] founded by bane alumni they've secured 800,000 euros

[00:17:38] for their a i driven SaaS platform

[00:17:40] which aids companies and talent

[00:17:42] management development and retention

[00:17:44] through personalized skills-based approaches

[00:17:48] funding aims to enhance team

[00:17:49] and foster growth that is talentware

[00:17:54] next up we have nova

[00:17:56] a freelancer hub they've secured 1.75 million

[00:17:59] and seed funding the startup aims

[00:18:01] to empower creative freelancers and bring gaps

[00:18:04] in talent management the app facilitates

[00:18:06] connections

[00:18:07] job postings and career growth so that

[00:18:10] gives us talentware

[00:18:12] and nova chat who'd you

[00:18:13] about oh this is a hard one i'm

[00:18:16] going to let you go first i'm

[00:18:17] i'm not gonna think either one of these

[00:18:19] guys right at at 2 a.m i'm not sure

[00:18:21] which one i walk home with so i'm

[00:18:23] gonna first i'm still thinking

[00:18:26] in my clouded brain yager brain this

[00:18:28] morning on this okay okay well uh i'm

[00:18:30] going to stay consistent with with talent

[00:18:33] these these sort of secondary

[00:18:36] players that look at bigger companies

[00:18:39] that have a lot more money a lot more brand

[00:18:40] awareness a lot more resources you know

[00:18:43] the lattices the deals yeah uh the glutes

[00:18:47] the list goes on and on bob uh

[00:18:50] look talent management software

[00:18:52] is a very competitive space and you can

[00:18:54] say like well they they've proven the

[00:18:56] model it's an in-demand product but i

[00:18:58] just think when you bring a squirt

[00:19:00] gun to a gun fight uh it's not going to

[00:19:03] end very well for you uh my prediction

[00:19:05] is within 24 months these guys are

[00:19:07] probably fold up or sell to a bigger

[00:19:10] fish nova i originally thought well this

[00:19:13] is kind of like camino uh which is has

[00:19:16] a head start maybe you know so i'm

[00:19:19] never quite understood why commune

[00:19:21] commune hasn't taken off more than it

[00:19:23] has they had a great start uh helping

[00:19:25] with uh some directors video

[00:19:29] production but this thing is really

[00:19:31] interesting in the organic nature of it

[00:19:34] so in less than a year they've uh started

[00:19:37] as a private instagram page sharing

[00:19:39] job postings for freelancers they've

[00:19:42] grown over 19,000 followers and they

[00:19:44] filled over 8,000 jobs uh and say that

[00:19:47] they've helped book nearly ten

[00:19:50] million dollars in work they've got

[00:19:53] investors from Spotify Tesla and

[00:19:56] Burberry it feels kind of like Craigslist

[00:19:58] where they just kind of threw up something

[00:20:00] and the community embraced it

[00:20:03] and they've run with it so for me like uh

[00:20:07] what i think the better business might be

[00:20:09] the talent management i think it's way too

[00:20:11] competitive for what uh what uh talent

[00:20:13] where he's doing so for me uh nova is a

[00:20:17] supernova my friend and that is what

[00:20:20] i'd rather bad bad okay so i thought

[00:20:24] nova was interesting especially

[00:20:28] spinning out of instagram an instagram

[00:20:31] account i mean that that's just you

[00:20:34] you don't hear that much right well this

[00:20:36] worked on instagram it's a great way

[00:20:38] to at least start to see if an idea gains

[00:20:41] traction and they and they found traction

[00:20:43] right they they did found fine traction

[00:20:45] down the talent where you're excited how

[00:20:46] you're you're right not too much and they're

[00:20:48] they're in Milan right so they're in

[00:20:49] Italy um which means more than likely

[00:20:52] they are going to try to uh take this to

[00:20:55] Europe as a whole. Italy's not a great market

[00:20:58] to try to to start in yep um they there's

[00:21:01] not a lot of cash in Italy compared to

[00:21:04] trying to start in in Germany or France

[00:21:07] or the UK right um but then again you have all

[00:21:11] the issues of languages and culture and

[00:21:14] and for me again for us learning a lot of

[00:21:17] this over the last you know few years

[00:21:19] here in you Europe and working with a lot of

[00:21:21] European organizations to me with something

[00:21:25] like you said that is so competitive number

[00:21:28] one number two the tam is so big number three

[00:21:32] it's in Europe i mean how much more

[00:21:33] complex can you fucking get yeah um they do

[00:21:36] have cash they do have backers uh they smart

[00:21:39] smart dudes but i think nova has proven

[00:21:42] itself it is a very small tam by the way

[00:21:45] so i but i think they can grow out of that uh

[00:21:48] i think there's there's a there there right and

[00:21:51] when we're talking about commuton i think one of

[00:21:53] the hardest things is you know the guys we

[00:21:56] know the guys over commuton love those guys

[00:21:58] um they know the people in the industry the only

[00:22:01] problem is they don't know they're recruiting

[00:22:02] in the gig industry right yeah um that's where a lot

[00:22:06] of companies fall down just because you know

[00:22:09] the industry that you're going into doesn't

[00:22:12] mean that you can recruit into that industry

[00:22:15] you can gig into that industry you can create

[00:22:17] technology that is sticky linked in in that

[00:22:20] industry right so uh yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna go

[00:22:23] with the little very small although i think

[00:22:26] powerful nova what are you doing all right

[00:22:30] that's true for nova everybody and that

[00:22:33] closes another round of who do you rather

[00:22:36] we're going to take a quick break remember folks

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[00:23:40] all right chat is this the end of self serve check out big

[00:23:44] retailers like dollar general target and Walmart

[00:23:48] are scaling back on self checkout due to theft

[00:23:50] concerns and customer experience issues dollar

[00:23:54] general is removing self checkouts from some

[00:23:57] stores and limiting purchases and others

[00:23:59] target implements express self checkout with

[00:24:03] a limited number of items and Walmart is

[00:24:05] toying with Walmart plus members only

[00:24:09] getting self checkout is this the end and it's

[00:24:12] full service back in Chad your thoughts

[00:24:14] yeah well first and foremost we're in Amsterdam right now

[00:24:17] so there's no such thing as self service you've

[00:24:19] got full service at the red light district all

[00:24:22] you gotta do is go window shopping and there's

[00:24:24] full service right there yes um yeah this to me

[00:24:28] and I hate to take a dark turn here but this is

[00:24:31] what happens when uh the poverty line starts

[00:24:34] moving up hmm people start stealing shit

[00:24:36] people aren't doing this we're not seeing the rise in

[00:24:39] crime and stealing shit because um they they want

[00:24:43] the high quality target uh you know uh genes

[00:24:47] or you know clothes or what have you it's because

[00:24:50] they they need the food I mean it's just it's

[00:24:52] one of those things and they see gaps in security

[00:24:56] so therefore they take it right and they also

[00:24:58] called back to the article in uh around the

[00:25:01] pandemic saying that the pandemic it was great

[00:25:03] through the pandemic because you they didn't have to have

[00:25:06] people and obviously you know you had space and so on and so

[00:25:09] forth but they were doing self checkout way before

[00:25:11] the fucking pandemic right uh so I see I think we're

[00:25:15] we're seeing something happen here um that

[00:25:18] people are trying to they're trying to associate

[00:25:22] with something that it's not I think this is a poverty

[00:25:25] issue I think that wages it haven't climbed fast enough

[00:25:28] right yes wages are getting better but they haven't

[00:25:31] climbed fast enough and they're definitely not

[00:25:34] climbing as fast as the fucking CEO pay that's out there um

[00:25:37] so we start seeing this kind of like spiral into the

[00:25:41] poverty when the poverty line raises we see these

[00:25:44] things happen so it's unfortunate it really is

[00:25:47] because I think this is a societal problem uh

[00:25:50] and when you're talking about some of these

[00:25:52] locations like San Francisco San Francisco is

[00:25:55] an expensive fucking place to live right I mean

[00:25:59] it just is and don't just think this is happening on the

[00:26:02] coast this is happening everywhere that escalated

[00:26:04] quickly sorry so so I'll try to stay away from the

[00:26:08] the politics of this uh the other side of that argument would be

[00:26:12] that crime punishment has declined anything under a

[00:26:16] thousand dollars you can just walk out of the store and

[00:26:18] not get prosecuted so is it is it the left argument

[00:26:21] or right the fact is it's happening yeah earnings

[00:26:24] call out earnings call is like we're we're

[00:26:27] feeling this pain there's shrinkage people are hungry

[00:26:29] people are hungry doesn't matter doesn't matter but

[00:26:33] it's happening what what ironic to me is yeah

[00:26:37] we're gonna employ more people because of this

[00:26:40] yeah we're going to employ more people uh checking

[00:26:43] people out as a result of whether it's crime poverty

[00:26:47] whatever um and I guess that's a good thing uh

[00:26:51] you know I not to sound the latest I've never stepped into a

[00:26:55] dollar general um but my impression is that they

[00:26:59] are not the best places in the world to shop uh

[00:27:02] they're eliminating self-checkout altogether so that means a lot more

[00:27:05] people employed uh by dollar general for better words

[00:27:09] target and I've shopped it target yeah and

[00:27:12] people bring the cart to self-check out and it is it is like a snake line

[00:27:17] it's ridiculous it's waiting and it's almost you're almost incentivized

[00:27:21] to go to the full service because there's nobody in line so

[00:27:24] I mean target it feels just more like yes whether it's theft I don't think

[00:27:28] there's as much poverty poverty target or or people that are

[00:27:31] desperate it's just assholes who want to check out

[00:27:34] 48 items uh in the self-checkout so good for them for saying like look it's 10

[00:27:39] items which has probably always been 10 items people

[00:27:42] just ignore it the Walmart's a little odd to me I know they want to be uh

[00:27:46] Amazon I know they want these prime members these wallopless

[00:27:49] members and it's kind of a nice little incentive they

[00:27:51] probably have an issue there as well with people

[00:27:53] loading up the cart and then trying to get out so

[00:27:56] ultimately this means more jobs it probably means a better shopping

[00:28:00] experience uh at least for me a target and all the moms the soccer

[00:28:05] moms that are there uh getting there you know

[00:28:07] getting their fragrances in their in their dockers uh

[00:28:11] so um yeah I got nothing else but that and I'm sorry folks

[00:28:16] I usually have a witty way to end the show uh

[00:28:19] I'm hungover and I don't have one I'm sorry Chad you got anything funny

[00:28:22] you got any funny in the show I guess we could just rinse in in some keboo

[00:28:26] that might be okay boobie okay boobie right

[00:28:29] you're welcome world welcome no witty unending

[00:28:34] just this is your opinion just some keboo I gotta say coming out of a lunch

[00:28:41] break straight into keboo was freaking awesome I mean

[00:28:46] in for those who weren't at the con for at the congress

[00:28:51] it was hilarious everybody gets back in after lunch we're all you know

[00:28:55] you get kind of like the the cloudy brain because all your

[00:29:00] all the blood in your head is in your stomach right

[00:29:03] uh so you can't think well they wheel out keboo

[00:29:06] keboo yeah you know and it just like amps the whole crowd up

[00:29:09] and that gets that gets the whole uh the whole

[00:29:12] afternoon that's the tone for the afternoon so I think

[00:29:16] at least leave it if you're listening

[00:29:18] keboo should be a staple should be a staple guy should get in his van from Finland

[00:29:24] and drive all those corg kebards uh huh to wherever

[00:29:29] they're having the e-recruitment congress every year some of the most European

[00:29:33] shit I've ever seen I was waiting I was waiting for aha

[00:29:36] and the sprockets guys to come out and start

[00:29:39] that's my monkey oh my god did we just do a weekly show in less than 30 minutes

[00:29:44] that's awesome all right well let's see next week everybody we out

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