Jamie Adler talks Rock n Roll, saving Steven Adler and helping rebuild his career

[00:00:00] In the evening I was looking at some pictures that I had taken when I, on one of my early trips to LA and then I went out on the strip and I went to sort of all of those, the iconic

[00:00:13] venues and all of that. And I was at the rainbow and I remember beating Mario and he was quite fascinated that there was this in from India that had come all the way to the strip and

[00:00:24] so knew all these stories and all these people and he invited me to have a glass of wine with him. So. Oh, that's great. Now Mario, it was really cool because they got it did be did my story

[00:00:36] and Yahoo! He mentioned, he mentioned that part about you know Mario and the rainbow and yeah and that was really cool. You know, like that's a he's so iconic Mario, you know, in our circle. Yeah.

[00:00:50] So I was crazy because that story that's in my young was when Mario passed away, that's when me and Steven we had that this one it was the last time that mean him. That means the whole really had this incredible thing together that mean him had was experienced

[00:01:12] together me and Steven was when you know he actually told me for the first time that he knows what I did. It was that when it was the same day Mario died and we went

[00:01:24] to the rainbow to go see the family because we're you know, very close to them and we went up to my car and we were smoking a joint and and that's when Steven told me he says I know why you did what you did and thank you. Yeah.

[00:01:41] And and when he told me that that was that was all I ever needed because he would never say it today. You know, I mean he will never he won't admit it today.

[00:01:48] Yeah. But when it was just me and him and he was completely sober. I mean besides the weed, you know he he he gave me the credit that I always wanted for my big brother because

[00:02:00] it's all I ever wanted to do. Yeah. Think about it. You're a huge you're a huge fan. You saw me huge fan. Imagine if that guy is your brother. You know, I can yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:09] Yeah. Right? Like I like I say, you know, everybody has an idol like everybody idolizes somebody when you're a kid. Yeah, it could be your brother. It could be your father. It should be it should not be Kim Kardashian. It should be your father, your brother, someone

[00:02:29] very close to you that you look up to. Well, might happen to be my brother. Yeah. It turned out to be the biggest rock star in the world at one point. That's not so any difference, you know. But now listen man, let's just let's dig into it.

[00:02:45] You know, I watch a little of your format. It's pretty laid back. It's cool. I saw you have some good guests on it. Steve by I saw, you know, you had some good stuff man. So

[00:02:54] I'm honored that you invited me to come on your podcast. Thank you. Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Jamie. So I just sort of get into it. What was your life like growing up?

[00:03:09] My life, my life growing up was very normal. I mean, up until the age of up until the age of 14, 15 years old, I came from a very middle class family. We lived in a nice little suburb in

[00:03:26] the San Fernando Valley called Canoga Park. I am a full on valley boy born and raised right by the Sherman Oaks Galleria where they shot that movie Valley Girl or Valley Boy,

[00:03:39] whatever that movie is called and past times at Ridgemont High. That was all where I grew up, you know, right around that whole area. And I grew up in the valley at the best time to live

[00:03:50] in the valley back in the 80s. And my parents, they were still they would still be married to this day if my father didn't pass away about, you know, 15 years ago. So I came from a great

[00:04:05] mom and dad. They, they, they, I was raised like a single child, like an only child. My brother Stephen was 10 years older than me. And my other brother Kenny was 13 years older.

[00:04:16] So by the time I was by the time I was five, Stephen already moved out of the house. He really ran away. Kenny, when he turned 18, he was gone too. So by the time I was five,

[00:04:30] I was the only kid living in the house. And it was just me and my mom and I lived a very normal life. Did you, did you sort of look up to your dad? My dad was always my hero. My dad,

[00:04:48] my dad took care of me. He played, taught me how to play basketball, taught me how to play baseball, coached all my teams. He was the only father that hung out with, with the, with the kids.

[00:05:03] I most kids at that age, they're embarrassed. Oh, daddy, leave us alone. Don't come play with us. No, I always wanted my dad to hang out with us. I always, I always wanted me to be part of

[00:05:13] my dad was cool. But then he let us be kids, you know, and he taught us my dad. I, you know, I did that story in Yahoo. And the writer actually said a nice, you know,

[00:05:26] paragraph about my father. My father grew up in Cleveland, Ohio. My father was, was the only Jew that hung out with all the Italians. And, and I'm talking about like the real, the Italians,

[00:05:38] the mafia, the Italians in Cleveland, Ohio. And he was, he was involved in, you know, underground gambling and, and booking and, and he used to share all these stories with me.

[00:05:51] And all the stories he shared with me, it actually came out in a movie called Kill the Irishman. Yeah, it's been awesome about that. Yeah, it was about Danny Green. And he ran the union in Cleveland, Ohio. And my dad, my dad's best friend was this guy, Mike

[00:06:07] Fredo. And Mike Fredo was actually in the movie. And Danny Green shot Mike Fredo. But my dad would tell me all these stories. You know, when he was, when he was young and,

[00:06:20] and now his friends got blown up in cars and went to jail. And that's why he ended up leaving Cleveland, Ohio. My dad ended up leaving Cleveland, Ohio and chase my mom who was moved to Los Angeles and

[00:06:34] with her two boys, which was my two brothers. And my dad went, moved, moved to Los Angeles and left Cleveland, Ohio and, and got away with, got away from all that. And my dad says that if he

[00:06:45] didn't leave Cleveland, Ohio, he would have been dead within a year because all of his friends were either blown up or shot. And, and that's that these are the stories that my dad was

[00:06:58] sharing with me when I was eight years old at night time with me, I'd been going to sleep. So of course, I'm going to grow up. And when I'm in my 20s and 30s, I'm going to live

[00:07:09] a very similar life involved in gangs to rap. And that's where, that's where I went to. I went into gangs to rap music. So there's definitely parallels there. Yeah. My dad was the best. I love my dad. Wow. Yeah, he must have had some stories to battle.

[00:07:29] No, he had, my dad was literally on the, my dad was on the site once on the corner with all the Italians. And on the other corner was all the blacks. And my dad was there the day when

[00:07:44] Don King, the famous boxing promoter, actually killed somebody. He actually killed somebody on the corner and my dad was there. He was on the other side. So that's just one of the stories

[00:07:56] he shared with me. And I thought he was kidding. I thought, I thought my dad would make up these stories and it was all a bunch of BS. Yeah. Until this movie, Kill the Irishman came out

[00:08:07] about 10 years ago and I'm watching this movie that every story he told me was in this movie. And that's how I knew what he was telling me was all true. And I'm glad. And I'm glad

[00:08:19] that my dad was smart enough to escape that and move out to Los Angeles and, you know, end up having me and he did my father dedicated his entire life to me. He, my mom wanted to

[00:08:32] have another baby. She's like Melville. My dad's name was Mel. Yeah. Why do we have another baby? And she says, no, I don't want any of the kids. I just wanted, I want to give everything to my son,

[00:08:42] to Jamie. And my father, he also adopted Kenny and Steve and my older brothers when they were seven and 10 illegally adopted them. That's why we all have the same last name.

[00:08:54] And I believe that my father tried to be there and try to be the best father he could be to Stephen and Kenny as well. You know, and they might have not wanted to be that close to him

[00:09:08] because whatever they were going through, but my dad did the right thing. He adopted them and he tried to raise them as if they were his own. And that's what I always saw.

[00:09:17] So yeah, I had a great man. I had a great childhood. I was raised by two great parents. So I've never had an excuse to go over the edge. I never had an excuse to go too deep into anything

[00:09:36] bad. You know, I'm so grateful that I was never involved in any sexual abuse, physical abuse. Any of that stuff growing up, which what I hear about all the time, you know, on TV and stuff, but

[00:09:52] I was raised. It was incredible because you know, people always say like, how did Stephen go all the way over there and you're all the way over here? Well, luckily I was raised with two parents. Stephen and Kenny, they never knew their father or their father abandoned them

[00:10:11] when Stephen was a baby and Kenny was three years old. They never knew their father. So they so it makes a big difference, you know, so I do with two parents that never got divorced,

[00:10:25] that showed a lot of love at home and I'm very grateful for that. And I just, that's why I'm so I'm so I love being a father so much to my three children because I

[00:10:39] want to give them exactly what my father gave me and even more. Yeah, that's so good to hear, right? And that you've sort of learned from them the value of family and what it means to sort of be

[00:10:50] together for your kids. Yeah, it also especially, move into Australia and seeing how the family values are in Australia and how the togetherness that the families have out here. And I happened to marry an Asian woman, a Chinese girl in the Chinese culture and families, everything.

[00:11:13] I never really grew up around that. Like I had aunts and uncles and cousins, but I was never too close with all them. I was only close to my parents. So living out here in Australia, my

[00:11:24] children have so many cousins and aunts and uncles and family and we're together with family every day and it's incredible. I got very, very lucky that one. Yeah, yeah, it's very, Chinese culture is very similar and very close to Indian culture where the emphasis is on family

[00:11:44] and you know sort of staying together and very, very close in lots of aspects actually. Nothing else matters in life but your family. That's something I've realized as I got older that doesn't matter what I do for a living. Doesn't matter how much money you have.

[00:12:04] Family and health. Family and health is everything. Absolutely. Tell me, Jamie, how did Stephen get into music? You said he left home quite early. How did he get into music? Was it because he met Slash? I've read stories of how he met Slash at high school.

[00:12:20] Well, the way Stephen got into music was my mom took him to Magic Mountain to go see that rock band Kiss Play in the 70s and it was actually the concert where they did that, where they shot

[00:12:36] that movie. I forgot what the movie is called but it was literally shot at the, in Magic Mountain, Six Flags Magic Mountain in Los Angeles and that was Stephen's first

[00:12:50] concert and our mom picked him up and he got on the car, he said, Mom, I know what I want to do with my life. I want to be a drummer just like Peter Chris and from that point, from that day forward,

[00:13:02] that's what he did. And my parents would not allow him to have drums in our house so he got a drum set and he would go set up at the park and he would practice at the park.

[00:13:15] He would go to Chatsworth Park and practice at the beginning. And that's how he got into it. He got into playing because of the drums. He's the one that got Slash. Stephen was already playing

[00:13:28] the drums. He met Slash and he's the one, and Stephen also had a guitar at his grandma's house and he gave Slash the guitar. He taught him his first couple chords

[00:13:39] and Slash was a natural and he was off to the races too so now Stephen's on the drums and Slash is playing his part. And then their other friend was Flea. I remember the one at my grandma's

[00:13:50] house from the Peppers and the priest playing the trombone or whatever one of those instruments is outside on the balcony. Flea's playing over there. You got Tracy Guns on the other corner.

[00:14:06] I mean they all went to Fairfax High School so they got Perry Farrell over there with David Navarro. I mean it was all around Fairfax in the 1980s. This is before any of these guys

[00:14:19] became the biggest rock stars in the world and they were all just hanging out on Hayworth or Fairfax over there. Did you go to the same school? No, well I didn't go to Fairfax. So

[00:14:32] Stephen left home and moved in with our grandma. Our grandma and grandpa in Hollywood they lived right across the street from Fairfax High and I grew up in the valley and I went to

[00:14:44] Chatsworth High School. Stephen did go to Chatsworth for a little while but then he ended up moving and went to Fairfax but no, we didn't go to the same school. Dana Strum went to my school

[00:14:59] and his mother was a teacher at my school. His mom taught her Dana Strum from Slotter. Yeah, yeah. So you were sort of ringside when Stephen was trying Stephen and Slash were trying

[00:15:13] to put their band together. I think it was called Road True right there. One of the earliest sort of our tires of the event. Yeah for a minute. I mean I remember seeing Stephen,

[00:15:26] there was a place called Pan Pacific Park. It's actually where they shot that movie Zanadu with Olivia Newton-John and I remember my mom picking me up from school and going over that park and watching Stephen play drums. He had set up in an abandoned gymnasium. I remember that.

[00:15:44] But you know, I don't remember the Road Crew. I remember what I remember is I knew Slash as like Stephen's friend. This was, you know, he was Saul. He used to be called

[00:16:00] Saul. So we used to go to his house. I remember he had an apartment and he lived with his mom and his brother. His mom's older. I think she was a famous Akhastan designer back in the days.

[00:16:16] Beautiful lady. And the only thing I remember about that at that point was I would go in his toilet at Slash's house where his mom's house where he lived. And in the shower he had snakes.

[00:16:31] There were a couple of snakes. I had to go pee. I would go pee and I'm scared of snakes. I didn't even want to go in there. Most people are scared of snakes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like all them.

[00:16:43] I'm eight years old. I'm maybe seven. And there's snakes in Saul's house. So he was always in there. He was always in the snakes. This isn't something that just happened when he blew up as

[00:16:55] a big rock star. All right? Uh-huh. You know, so he was having him back on the teams. But now I don't remember Road Crew. You know, but you got to remember Stephen was 10 years older than me.

[00:17:09] So he was up to a bunch of different things. I'm in the valley going to school, being a good kid playing baseball and basketball. I don't know what the hell the guys do it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, not until he started doing the Guns N' Roses thing.

[00:17:25] You know? Yeah. Or it was Hollywood Rose. I remember it was Hollywood Rose at first. I remember the first thing was Hollywood Rose. But my mom was a waitress at Brent Stelly in Northridge. And she worked three days a week and she was up on

[00:17:41] Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. So on Thursdays, she would pick me up from school. I'm in like fifth grade, fourth grade. She would tell me, don't tell daddy. Don't tell daddy. I'm going to pick you up from school. I wouldn't go half lunch with Stephen.

[00:17:58] And she would pick me up from school at, you know, at 11 o'clock in the morning. And we would drive over the hill to Hollywood and we would go pick up Stephen.

[00:18:09] We would go out for sushi. I was having sushi at eight years old. And then she would take Stephen to the guitar center. She would buy him a couple of drumsticks. You know, my mom had no money. She

[00:18:20] would save her tips. She made me $30, $40 day of tips. And we would go to the guitar center and she would go buy him a snare head or a drum head, drumsticks. And I just remember

[00:18:34] I remember before Guns and Roses, before my brother had a deal before he even played his first real show. I was always so enamored by my brother. I would just always look up to this guy.

[00:18:47] You know, I was, I was thinking about he had a motorcycle at one point. He had this old beat up 19th set of knees motorcycle. And sometimes on Sundays we would have barbecues in the valley

[00:18:59] at our house. And I remember sometimes I would hear that motorcycle driving up the block and I would run outside. And there's my brother with his blonde hair. You know, we didn't wear

[00:19:11] helmets back then just driving up the street and pulling to our driveling just me running over to him. I just always, I always looked up to my brother. This is before Guns and Roses,

[00:19:22] like I said, this is he was my brother as my rock star brother, even though he wasn't a rock star then. But he always had that, you know, that he had the energy about him that

[00:19:33] he just knew something did was going to happen. At least I did. You know, and I always, I just always, I always wanted to be around my brother. So yeah, it was fun. It was cool. What was your

[00:19:51] what was the first Duns and Roses show you attended do have memories of that? The first show I ever went to was it was their first show they ever had was at Madden Balls.

[00:20:07] I couldn't go because he had to be 21 or older. My parents went, but their second show, if I'm not mistaken, was up at Chuborore. And I went to that show. I went to every Guns and

[00:20:18] Roses show from their second show to let's say their 12th show because they only did maybe 10 shows. They might have only done 10 shows before they got that huge deal or maybe not a huge sale,

[00:20:32] but before they got their deal with the actual Tom's Utah when he signed them, what was it? They weren't around that long. You know, they, I remember they played the Chuborore by the by the third or fourth show. They were already selling out.

[00:20:48] But I do remember, I do remember at that show Axel wearing chaps. I remember him wearing chaps and you could see his bum cheeks and my grandma, my grandma was there, my mom's mom, my brother

[00:21:04] worshiped his grandma and made sure that she was there and she's front row. Wow. And Axel turns around and there's his bum wearing chaps and my grandma, her face dropped. My everyone's face. We've never seen anything like this. You know, and

[00:21:23] it was incredible. But as soon as I saw them for the very first time, I went to school the next day and I told everybody, I said, man, my brother, it's going to be the biggest rock star in the world. Yeah. I would sell people that. And

[00:21:39] I remember I bought a Guns of Roses shirt. I remember, or you didn't bother to give it to me, but I did Guns of Roses, the very first Guns of Roses shirt ever. It was the logo with

[00:21:49] the guns going out with the flower with the roses and said Guns of Roses river bottom. And I wore that shirt daily and I would tell everybody, this is my brother's band. They're going to be the biggest band in the world. Everyone thought I was crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:07] Yeah, you must have been quite them. Yeah, but you must have been quite the sort of rock star in school as well, right? Given that you were Steven Adler's brother. You must have got a lot

[00:22:17] of attention. It was incredible, man. So I remember going to school first day in seventh grade. My first time going to a public school. I went to private school all the way up until sixth grade,

[00:22:36] seventh grade. My dad says, Hey, I'm going to throw you out in the wool with the wools. You need to learn what life is really all about pulling you out of private school. You're

[00:22:43] going to public school. I show up to school and I'm wearing a jean jacket that Axel Rose's mom, she painted for me. Her name was Sharon. She painted me on this on this. It was a denim jacket

[00:22:57] on the back. There was the cross, the album cover of appetite and she painted this for me. I wish I still had it would probably be worth a million dollars. And I'm wearing that jacket

[00:23:08] at the school the first day and this kid walks up to me. He says, what's guns or roses? And I said, my brother's band, they're going to be the biggest band in the world.

[00:23:20] And he's like, yeah, whatever. And I'm like, I could have called him a dick. But instead I said, what's your name? He said, Adam, I said, I'm Jean. And I didn't know anybody at school

[00:23:32] that day as my very first time going to public school. I said, could I hang out with you? And we started hanging out. And to this day, he's still one of my best friends to this day.

[00:23:40] Wow. But we still talk about that story how the first time we met each other and I told him, they're going to be the biggest band in the world. He didn't believe me.

[00:23:53] And they ended up being the biggest band in the world. But that was in seventh grade. So now eighth grade comes. Now eighth grade a year later, Sweet Child of Mine came out on

[00:24:06] the radio, blow up, pulling up. Now my brother is the guy. Sweet Child of Mine number one. And Steven, Steven's home from, I don't know where it probably was, he was home from being on the

[00:24:20] road. And he calls me up the night before he says, Hey, I'm going to pick you up from school tomorrow. I'm like, Oh, okay, that's exciting. So the next day at school, I see Adam.

[00:24:32] Don't tell anybody. Steven's going to pick me up from school at the bike racks, which is on the side of the school over there. Don't tell anybody after school you come meet me

[00:24:43] over here at our locker and we'll walk over and see Steven. You'll go, you'll meet my brother. So three o'clock comes bell rings. I go to my locker. Here's Adam and he has a couple

[00:24:58] friends. Like, dude, I told you just just you just you come. So I told you to look, all right, let's go. So we start walking. No. At the schools, there's hallways that are going this way. That's

[00:25:12] where the walkers are. And then there's a long hallway that's going this way. And that's the way towards the bike racks. So next, you know, we're walking down the long hallway. And coming out of this way is there's 20 kids. We keep walking out. There's another holy,

[00:25:29] there's 40 kids. We're keep walking next thing you know, Dick, I got 500 kids walking behind me. And we're marching to the bike racks. And I'm thinking, Oh shit, but what's my brother going to

[00:25:45] think? I wasn't supposed to tell anybody. Oh shit, are there gonna be a riot breaks out or what if he doesn't show up? What if the guy doesn't show up? Oh my god. But the whole time,

[00:25:59] I got the biggest smile on my face and inside I'm just I'm just gushing with joy. Can imagine that. These kids are following me right now, right? And next thing you know, just like out of a movie, a monster truck, it's a monster truck

[00:26:17] pulls up. He's with his friend Brad who owns a monster truck and Stephen gets out of the truck and now there here I am. I got the 500 kids with me. He jumps out. He starts giving hugs and kisses to everybody, all the girls he's signing autographs.

[00:26:34] We didn't have cell phones so there was no pictures being taken. And this one girl, she literally fainted. She passed out right there. It was it was definitely at that point in my life. It was the greatest moment that I ever would

[00:26:50] at that. I can imagine. It made great. I mean, I felt like such a rock star that definitely cemented my place and legendary status and I'm from down the valley at all the junior high schools. Okay, every junior high school was talking about it.

[00:27:08] You know, it got around all the schools. Now, Vic also keep in mind I've always been a business man, even as a young kid. So I had at my school, I was selling autographed pictures of Stephen

[00:27:22] for $10 out of my locker. Wow. Okay. I had my friends and friends at other schools selling autographed pictures of Stephen. I had a whole business going. I mean, like out of her lockers in eighth grade, this is these are the things that we're doing. And

[00:27:38] it was it was phenomenal man. How been a brother? Like, like I did, I did an interview a few years back and I told, I said, it's it's the same exact thing as if your brother is today

[00:27:50] is Justin Bieber. Imagine if your brother is Justin Bieber right now and you go to junior high school, you got to be the coolest kid at school. Absolutely. My brother was my brother

[00:28:00] was Guns of Roses. And I'm not going to say I was the coolest kid in school, but I was definitely the most popular kid in the whole entire Valley because not that I was the most popular because

[00:28:11] I had so many friends. But I was because I considered myself having hardly any friends because I kept my circle so tight because I didn't want to be friends with people just because

[00:28:21] my brother's rock star. I gravitated towards all my friends that I had pre Guns of Roses. Those are still my friends in this day. It was really hard for me to

[00:28:33] yeah, you know, it was really hard for me to open up my door and let people live because everybody wanted to be my friend, but for the wrong reasons. And I never wanted that,

[00:28:43] you know, I just always wanted to keep my friends that were with me before Guns of Roses. I can trust them. But I was a I was definitely a proud of my brother.

[00:28:54] I let it be known. I remember when I was in my teens, this is even after Stephen got kicked out of Guns of Roses. When I would introduce myself, hey, Jamie Aller, my brother Stephen Aller for

[00:29:09] Guns of Roses. That's what I would say. But I looked back on that thinking like what the hell was I thinking? But of course I'm going to do that. You want everybody to know when

[00:29:19] you're a kid when you're a teenager, you want them to know to the point where the Hard Rock Cafe. You remember the Hard Rock Cafe that was in the 80s. That was the biggest

[00:29:31] thing. The Hard Rock Cafe was it. So they had this Hard Rock Cafe at the Beverly Center. And me and my parents would go to we'd go eat there and we would want to go there

[00:29:44] to hopefully one day see a picture of Stephen hanging on the wall. Right? Because you know, they had all the members at Belia, but nothing was nothing with Guns of Roses. They just blew

[00:29:53] up. There's nothing hanging there, but we would go there and we would go there enough that we met their general manager and we let the general manager know who we were. You know, hey, look where the Adlers and the general manager was so impressed that he gave me

[00:30:11] the Hard Rock Express card. It was a gold credit card and instead of Hard Rock Express. And what this card did was you go to any Hard Rock in the world and back then the line to get

[00:30:25] into Hard Rock, they have dinner. You're waiting at least two hours. You're waiting minimal two hours. But with this card, you walk right in. You don't wait for anything. You still have to pay for it, but you don't have to wait. And I had my Express card.

[00:30:41] That's what we would do on Friday night. We would meet my best friends. We would go fly, like ask girls out on dates or whatever, like 15, 16 years old, just so we could take her to the

[00:30:52] Hard Rock Cafe and walk to the front of the line and go to a table immediately. And the girls be like so blown away and impressed. That's how we were impressed and girls back in the days

[00:31:03] with my Hard Rock Express card. But these are the things that's what we were doing back in the late 80s, early 90s when your brother's in Guns N' Roses. You're not trying to stand at lines

[00:31:18] and you want to impress people in a fun way. And I took advantage of all that in a good way. We had a lot of fun. My friends had a lot of fun. And I guess that's why

[00:31:32] I ain't going into entertainment myself because I never wanted that fun to stop. You know, I didn't know any, I didn't my dad worked for Southern Pacific Railroad. My mom was a waitress.

[00:31:45] I don't want to work for the railroad. I don't want to be a waiter. Let me fall. Although my brother's footsteps, I have no rhythm. I can't play the guitar. I can't sting.

[00:31:56] So what's better? Let me go behind the scenes. Yeah, I'm a businessman. So I found my niche behind the scenes in Shelby's. I got very, very lucky but it all stems from growing up with my

[00:32:10] brother. Yeah, but JV, what do you think it was about the Five of Them? Was it just because that's something that like I said as a fan, I don't think that the chemistry the Five of

[00:32:26] Them had has ever been replicated to this day when I watch their shows on YouTube. And I saw them a couple of years ago. What do you think it was about the Five of Them?

[00:32:40] I mean, you were there during, I think you were there. No, I was there. I was there. During the recording of Appetite and all of that. I was there every day. I was there every day

[00:32:49] when they recorded Appetite for Restructuring. Yeah. So was it the fact that they lived together and you know, sort of none of them really had much money back then? What was it?

[00:33:01] What was it about the Five of Them? All of that. Their chemistry has never been duplicated again and never will be. There's never been a five-piece rock band that came out swinging as hard as

[00:33:12] these guys did. And then it shows. And that's why I'll tell you what it was. It was it was authentic. It was real. It was dirty. It was messy. And that's what Guns N' Roses was. They

[00:33:28] were never front-teaming. They were never trying to be somebody that they weren't. They were just being themselves and they never swayed for anybody or they never strayed for anybody. You know, they kept it real. And and that those they have to all five be together

[00:33:47] to work. You take easy out of the equation, it's no longer Guns N' Roses. You take slash out of the equation, it's no longer Guns N' Roses. You take Steven out. That's why they were never able to

[00:34:01] get back to that level after Appetite. Even though use your illusions, which I personally know those are great albums obviously and they sold billions of copies, but it was never appetite. It didn't have that it didn't have that that feel, you know, it didn't have that groove

[00:34:19] that Steven grew no matter what everybody knows even each guy in Guns N' Roses though. No one has a groove that Steven did that matches with the rest of the band with what's what's what Duff is doing

[00:34:29] on the base. Well, Duff and Steven, that rhythm section is is it those are the two guys. So you replace it with Matt Soran or you play a sword Frank, it's a different rhythm section all

[00:34:44] the time. You know not taken away from those guys because those are great musicians also. It's just something with those five guys, you know, and you know, I mean that's that's really the answer is why because they were so authentic.

[00:34:59] They were so real. And that that's Guns N' Roses. That's why Guns N' Roses will always be at so slash that is in Steven and nothing could ever match it. Yeah, yeah. And you were there with

[00:35:12] Steven the day he got sort of booted out the band. That was 1990s. I was definitely there when Doug Gold I was definitely there when Doug Goldstein called the house. You know this is a this is

[00:35:31] a really good road story right here. So Dr. Feel Good. I mean, Molly Crew they're they're on Dr. Feel Good tour and they were like my favorite band, you know, besides guys are I love Molly Crew

[00:35:47] Steven. Steve was really good friends of Tommy Lee. I went to Tommy Lee's house on New Year's Day one year. I think it was like 1988. And he taught me how to ride a jeer bike.

[00:36:00] Tommy Lee did. I mean, I hung out Heather Locklear. I mean, it was incredible. It's incredible New Year's Day. And now now Molly Crews and be playing at perform Dr. Feel Good tour and we're

[00:36:13] going to see Molly Crews for my first time. And of course, Steve was going to come out of special gifts because that's what they always used to do back in the days. They would bring

[00:36:24] Steven out as a special at the very end like as an encore. And it was like a huge deal. So Steven come out playing drums, but this night, my mom drops me off at the house. So excited.

[00:36:37] There's a white limo out front. Still pictured to this day. The long white shirt sliver. I go inside. Steven's in this in the shower. He's getting readies. I hear the shower over on. I'm watching TV, the phone rings. The phone was in the kitchen. I run over there,

[00:36:55] pick up at Stug Goldstein. Hey, Jamie, can I speak to Stevie? I'm like, he's in the shower. He's like, yeah, it's really important. You got to go get him. Like, okay. And so I go pound. I'm like,

[00:37:08] you know, it's Dougie says it's really important. You got to come out, comes out, puts a towel around himself. I remember he's dripping comes in kitchen. Hey, Dougie, what's up? And then his face, he went from, hey, this light emptiness, complete emptiness.

[00:37:33] Am I like, I'm like, what's up? What's wrong? He's like shows off. We're not going tonight. I just got kicked out of Guns N' Roses. I just got fired. What? What do you mean?

[00:37:46] What do you mean we're not going tonight? What are you talking about? What are you, who cares? You're not kicked out of Guns N' Roses. Get the fuck out of here. We're going to Molly

[00:37:55] Crew. Let's go. He went in the bathroom. He locked himself in there and he didn't come out for hours. He did not come out. I had to call my mom. You know, me, I'm 15. I was just devastated. We're

[00:38:13] weren't going to Molly Crew. I was so excited to see Molly Crew. And I didn't believe, I didn't believe that he got kicked out of Guns N' Roses. It just didn't make sense to me. I couldn't fathom

[00:38:23] that. And that's what happened. But what the fans and nobody knows, and I remember this call too, was they were doing, Stephen's out of the band. He's out. This is while they were recording that,

[00:38:45] you know, the user illusions, which Stephen did demo the whole, both albums of user illusions. There are demo tapes out there. So you could be mine, the beginning, that Stephen wrote on that.

[00:39:01] Never get that twisted. The whole world should know that I was not Matt Sorm. Matt Sorm duplicated what Stephen did. Stephen and I love Sorm. Sorm's my boy. Actually, I actually put Stephen and Sorm together as friends. I had a meeting with those two guys outside

[00:39:17] one day on Beverly Boulevard. And they hugged each other and, you know, they've been friends ever since. But no, Stephen definitely he wrote all those drum tracks for user illusions, all that. But there was a time that after they kicked after he got the call from Doug,

[00:39:38] a few months later, they were going to do rock and reel. Guns N' Roses ended up doing rock and reel. And they quit. They wanted Stephen back because whatever was going on with Sorm or

[00:39:54] whoever was playing drums for them, they just were not happy. And they knew that it wasn't Adler. And they did call Stephen. They said, Stephen, if you could pull your shit together, this is

[00:40:07] after they did, so this is after they did armade. They did farmade. And that was kind of the last straw. When Stephen got off the drum set of farmade, that was it. It was done at that point.

[00:40:22] Right? But then months later, they couldn't find each other. They weren't happy with. And they reached out to Stephen and they gave him another chance. That's all Stephen had to do was get off drugs and he'd be back in Guns N' Roses. He had been back in.

[00:40:42] But that's how powerful this disease is. This disease is willing to take everything away from you. You could get it all back. Sometimes you choose this disease, this drug, you're choosing drugs over your dream, over everything you've worked so hard for. And unfortunately, my brother

[00:41:02] was so addicted and obviously he had so much pain inside, probably from growing up and things he went through as a kid that he just couldn't get off the drugs.

[00:41:17] But they did give him a shot. I do remember that. I'm like, man, you can get back in Guns Roses. Now I was too young. I was 15 years old, 16 years old. But it was at that point

[00:41:32] where I would say, I would say this out loud. I'm like, man, someone needs to kidnap this guy. Someone needs a whole Stephen hostage up and get him off these drugs. And whenever he wants

[00:41:42] to do drugs again, beat the shit out of them. That's what needs to happen. This is what I was saying, but I couldn't do it because I was too young. But I was thinking these things.

[00:41:53] Because if I was older, you best believe I would never let this guy get kicked out of Guns Roses because I would have held him hostage. And every time he wanted to do drugs,

[00:42:03] well, you're not doing it because he would have security around him. He would have access to no money, no car. And that's what I wouldn't have done. But I mean, at the same time,

[00:42:13] you can't force somebody to get off drugs that doesn't want to get off drugs. I guess. Yeah. That's what they say. I mean, there's truth to that. But Guns Roses, they give him a shot. He didn't have to leave the band. But he definitely and fortunately he did

[00:42:33] choose to drugs over Guns Roses and over everything else unfortunately. And it's not just my brother, let's be honest. There's a lot of people out there that choose drugs over success. Yeah. But I think Stephen's one of the lucky ones to

[00:42:53] come through an addiction this bad. My brother is the luckiest guy to ever live. Okay? So I was thinking your show is called Tales from the Road. Right? So I was trying to think of some really cool road stories. So

[00:43:11] speaking about all this and how lucky Stephen is. So I was the guy that was representing, you know, I reunited like war. This is like in 1988. I mean, 1998, 1999. I literally was booking all these groups, right? And all those bands from the 80s,

[00:43:31] Bullet Boys. My first ever tour I did was called the Art Tour. It was Bullet Boys, Pretty Boy, Flowy, and Enuff's Enough, and Bang Tango. That was my first ever tour. I'm a booking

[00:43:41] agent. That's where I've been doing since 1998. My first tour was the Hard Tour. It was those four groups. And a few years later, I put together this other tour called Bad Boys and Metal. My old business partner, Chuck Bernal, wrote Artists Worldwide. That's where I was working

[00:43:59] at the time. And it was called Bad Boys and Metal Tour. It was Janie Lane, Kevin DeBrow, and Stephen Adler. The voice of Quiet Riot, the voice of Warren Warren, Stephen Adler from Guns N' Roses,

[00:44:14] the Bad Boys and Metal tour. This was in, I want to say maybe around 2004. You could be able to follow the internet. You know, it was a, it was definitely a crazy wild tour. So

[00:44:28] within the first couple of weeks of that tour, Janie Lane, he just could not stop drinking. He quit the, he walked off the tour. Janie walked off the tour. Janie was a very good friend of mine,

[00:44:40] okay? He disappeared. He had a really, really bad drink, no problem. He's gone off the tour. No one found it. No one could find him, right? The guys, they end up going, they end up landing

[00:44:52] in San Ana. We got a show at the galaxy. So that's the, that's the first show that's close to home for me. So Chuck and I, we go to the galaxy show and, and there's the tour bus. I walk over to

[00:45:05] tour bus and there's Kevin DeBrow. DeBrow pulls me aside. He's like, yo, Jamie, I got to talk to you about. So it's just me and DeBrow. He's like, I want you to know I'm about to walk off

[00:45:17] this tour. Your brother, he's just parting too much. He's smoking too much. There's weed. You know, I can't have that around me for my vocal chords. I don't know what else he's doing,

[00:45:27] but it's just too happy on the tour bus. This is not what I signed up for. This is not, this is not supposed to be a party. That's all your brother wants to do is party. Janie already left the tour. Like what's going on? And I'm like, dude,

[00:45:41] like Kevin, come on man, we got a couple, we only had a couple weeks left of his tour. I said, you can hang in there. Please. And we ended up getting through that tour. DeBrow

[00:45:54] got through the tour and other got through the tour and everything was fine. And, but it was messy. I'm telling you, this is one of the messiest tours I've ever been involved with. And Stephen was being Stephen on this tour, you know, obviously. So

[00:46:09] fast forward a couple of years later, freaking DeBrow dies overdose on cocaine. I was his agent when he passed the newspapers were calling me up for a, for a comment and you can Google it. You can

[00:46:28] Google it. There's there's comment where I said, there's no way because it didn't come out right away how we died. But the internet, the journalists asked me, you know, did he die from drugs? I'm like, DeBrow, you know, he liked to have a little wine at night time.

[00:46:42] But he started doing cocaine. This guy would not even die from drugs. He was healthy. He would run. He was really, he was an active guy DeBrow man. Sure enough. The toxicology report came out

[00:46:54] accident on cocaine overdose. Then after that, they find Janie Lane dead in a hotel room from alcoholism. I was just with Janie two weeks before he passed away. Okay. And he died from

[00:47:09] from drinking and who's still alive to this day? That is my brother. How the heck? How did everyone died? Mike Starr, he was on celebrity rehab with them. Tom Sizemore, he was on celebrity rehab with them. I mean, just countless other people. Everyone's died.

[00:47:29] And Steven is still alive. You would think he would be the first one that would die. Yeah, yeah. My brother is beyond lucky. The bro, Kevin DeBrow just talking so much shit about Steven. I was a fuck up. Like just chill, DeBrow. Just just get through this fucking

[00:47:49] tour. Well, he was the hypocrite because he died from drugs. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and there's a lot of people that have passed judgment on my brother, you know, and said a

[00:48:00] lot of things and they're no longer here because they were doing drugs too. And somehow some way, you know, my brother is a survivor. Yeah. He doesn't have nine lives. He has a hundred lives. Yeah. You know, talking about Steven being lucky, I remember reading in his book,

[00:48:19] he and said, I think that he had overdosed 28 times and sort of three botched suicide attempts and a couple of heart attacks and all that. I mean, just to live through all that and sort of Dutch would still be around is quite something. Yeah. I mean,

[00:48:36] I don't know how he's done it, but I always said that God has a, he has a bigger plan for my brother. And you know, Steven, Steven wouldn't, if he would have died, he would have died, you know, 10, 20 years ago, whatever. He was really, really active

[00:48:53] on this stuff, on this stuff, but he survived if he lived and luckily for me and for Steven, I finally got my closure. And what my closure was for Guns N' Roses, because that's all I ever

[00:49:09] wanted was to see my big brother, my hero back on stage with Guns N' Roses again. Right? So finally in 2016, yeah, Steven performed with Guns N' Roses at the Dodger Stadium. And I had to sneak into that show. I had to literally sneak into that.

[00:49:32] And I got to, I was front row and I got to see my brother get up on stage just on my Instagram page at World Wide Adler, scroll down and there's Steven at Seroz since welcome to the stage. Mr. Steven

[00:49:48] Adler, and here comes Steven and Dodger Steve, he was, they just erupted. It was so incredible. I had tears coming out of my eyes and I got to see Steven back on stage with Guns N' Roses.

[00:50:00] He did two songs that night. And then Steven, Steven grabbed me from the side from, from the audience and he pulled me backstage. And it was just me and Steven were sitting on the calls cart

[00:50:13] after he performed. The guys are still on stage performing, Steven just got off stage and I had my arm around him. I was like, I'm so proud of you man. Like,

[00:50:22] I can't believe you just did that. You just got back up on stage at Dodger Stadium in our backyard Guns N' Roses like get it. And that was really my closure. That was ultimately my closure

[00:50:37] because I doubt I'll ever see my brother on stage again with Guns N' Roses. But at least I got that at least I got that moment, you know? That was good enough for me. Yeah, was that also why you

[00:50:55] gave up being in rock and roll and then moved to sort of hip hop? Because you worked with Dan Zane, you worked with Black Label Society, you worked with all of these guys. You helped

[00:51:03] Steven put together a band if I'm not mistaken with the other. That's why I was dealing with that. So the reason I was, I went into showbiz was I wanted to help my brother because no one else

[00:51:13] was helping my brother. You know, so let me find, let me figure out how this game works so I can help my brother navigate through this. And you know, eventually I had success. I was representing, you know, Zach Wilde and Dan Sig and the Misfits and Motorhead.

[00:51:33] Man, I had a ridiculous, I reunited White Snake. If you can believe that. I'll stay with Coverdale. I'm the guy that I was building with Coverdale's, his attorney, when he was living in Lake Tahoe and Coverdale said to me out of solace is if you could get

[00:51:52] me the right tour, I'll do it. And I got the tour with Scorpions. The Scorpions were at the agency that I was at and we made it happen. It was White Snake and Scorpions, I think it was 2002-2003.

[00:52:11] And I literally reunited White Snake. I mean, who would have ever guessed? I'm 25 years old at the time, let's say maybe 26. And but then I started having too much success. Someone comes up to me and said, the only reason you made it is because of your brother.

[00:52:31] Oh, the only reason you're doing what you're doing is because your brother. At that point in my life, I wasn't bragging about my brother. I was too consumed with my own career. I didn't need,

[00:52:41] I didn't need to use Stephen Stain anymore. I already established myself. But when this guy said that to me, it just crushed my ego. And I had it proved to myself and to everybody else that

[00:52:53] my brother is not the reason I have this success. I have this success. My brother could open up that door. That's all he could do. He could open up a door, but it's up to me

[00:53:02] when I walk in that door. What do I do? Using that name and your last name and whoever your brother is, that only gets you so far. It becomes, it's up to you to do what

[00:53:14] you're going to do in that room. And I knew what to do. And someone said that to me. So, you know what? I'm going to walk away from rock and roll. I proved myself. I did everything

[00:53:25] I could have ever imagined in rock and roll. I've done it. I even put Stephen back. I put Stephen with then Lizzie. His favorite group was still Lizzie. I was representing John Sykes. And I had Stephen go rehearse with those guys. He could have been,

[00:53:44] he could have made then Lizzie, but that's a whole other story. He could have been in the band, but I even got Stephen to play with them. But when someone told me the only reason I made it

[00:53:54] is because I'm my brother, I walked away. I walked away from rock and roll. And my favorite rap group was, rap group was Bone Thugs of Harmony. And I was actually representing Bone Thugs of the

[00:54:06] time. I said, you know what? I don't need anybody else. I got bone and I dropped all my clients. I walked away from everybody and I went, wait, I lost you. I walked away from everybody

[00:54:21] and I wanted to rap. I went into the rap game. I walked away. So here, let's do a quick road story. Do a dance. Can we do a dancing road story? So the Black is the Black that started

[00:54:37] with me and Glenn. Glenn always wanted to do this Blackness of the Black Festival. So we did it. We finally, I was finally able to make it work. I was able to book three Blackness of

[00:54:48] the Black shows. It was him, Super Joint, Ritual, Behema. I forgot who else. I remember we did Universal Amphitheater. Man, it was awesome. I love dancing. Dancing was one of my favorites.

[00:55:03] We really did a great thing. We were able to do this Blackness of the Black and the first ever Blackness of Black was me and Glenn. So those were three very successful shows. We would do a bunch of other shows. We would stay working.

[00:55:21] So Danzig's doing this one show in Arizona. And just like we always do, he's doing concerts, whatever. He does a show in Arizona at three o'clock in the morning, my phone rings. Hello? What the fuck are you doing at me?

[00:55:44] Fucking Glenn. Glenn calls me and literally on that call, he fires me. Oh, this is your fault. I don't know. And he fucking fires me. Well, this is the show where Danzig was on video and that group that was supposed to play on the same festival,

[00:56:04] the same show with Danzig punched him out. The legendary video of Danzig getting knocked the fuck out. That was my show that I booked. And because of that show, he fired me. Danzig fired me because he blamed inadequate security on me. It was my fault that there wasn't

[00:56:26] good security. But when you watch the video, you could see Danzig actually pushed the guy first. He set him up. This other group literally said Danzig up. You could tell it was a whole setup.

[00:56:38] And but Danzig fell for the bait. He swung at the guy, the guy ducked, bam, knocked Danzig out. Danzig went all the way down. Most embarrassing moment of Danzig's life. And I got fired over it. Well, if you go look at the timeline after that happened, Danzig didn't

[00:56:59] do any more shows after he got knocked the fuck out. Things like Tuba, Arizona or something. He didn't do any more shows. You didn't even hear about Danzig for years. The next thing

[00:57:11] that Danzig came out with was him and Doyle. That's when he brought Doyle back and he started doing some shit with Doyle because he wanted everybody to forget that he got knocked out. He didn't want anyone talking about Danzig getting knocked out. Like, he's a tenth degree

[00:57:26] black belt. That should never have happened to Glenn. But Glenn, yeah, he's a genius, a smart guy. Started doing the shows with Doyle. And the next thing you know, he put the misfits back together. Danzig never got knocked out. He would have never done that

[00:57:45] misfit stream, but that was the only thing that Glenn could have done for everyone to forget about him getting knocked the fuck out. And that's one of my... Which, which year was this, Jamie? 2003,

[00:57:59] 2004 maybe? I mean, you didn't Google it. You didn't Google it, man. There's a whole video. Danzig knocked the fuck out. But that was my show. And I got fired over that, man. I really got

[00:58:10] fired over that. You know, listen to this day, I'm not trying to put Glenn on blasts. I love Glenn, you know, but, but this is what artists do. They have to blame somebody. And instead, like,

[00:58:24] like, so normally the manager is the one who's going to end up getting his fire, you know, and get the blame put on them. It's hard for artists to take responses, to accept responsibility

[00:58:37] for their own actions. So you got to blame someone else. So who's going down the age of the manager? But I always thought that's just an incredible legendary story that nobody really knows. And but when you really, when you really look at the timeline, that's what ended up,

[00:58:52] that's why Danzig ended up putting the misfits back together. So, hallelujah. I'm glad that happened, because the world wanted to see Glenn back with Gereo. You know, they wanted to see that and the misfits have been selling out arenas. I mean,

[00:59:06] sure, I wish I was still involved with that. But someone had to take the fall. It's cool. I'll be the fall guy. Yeah, that's unfortunate. Yeah. I do recall watching Danzig Glenn. I think it

[00:59:25] was 2015 in Germany. I was shooting a festival and they were playing there. Man, I had some good times, man. You know, Zach Wojc was my favorite guitar player. Like besides Slash, Zach was my

[00:59:40] favorite guitar player. I got to meet Zach for the first time when I was about 16 years old, 17. And then fast forward years later, I ended up becoming, you know, his agent. I was black

[00:59:57] later. I was a size agent. I was Danzig agent. Todd Singerman is my mentor, my original mentor in the music industry and he's been a motorhead manager since the 80s. Todd Singerman, real legendary rock manager. Yeah. He took me into his wing and he gave me a motorhead.

[01:00:17] He literally, he says, listen, you're your motorhead's agent now. And I was, I represented Lemmy and Motorhead for probably, you know, four or five years of my life. So, and I was in my,

[01:00:30] I was in my mid 20s. So I had Motorhead and like, you know, who else can say that type of shit? You know, like, oh, and I see here, not, not being braggadocious. I say this because

[01:00:43] I still pinch myself every day like, what? I got to do that. I didn't guess. I actually, not only did I meet these people, but I actually represented them. Like, you know, so, but the

[01:00:56] way I, the way I, yeah, yeah, I know it's, it's the way I look at my life. I'm 48 years old. Okay, I'm 48. I'm just getting started. I haven't peaked yet. But what I do now is I

[01:01:09] take all these relationships, I take all this experience, I take all this knowledge and wisdom that I have from all these years. Now I put it to good use and I just continue to grow. And, and

[01:01:24] yeah, I'm just getting started. That's how I look at my life today. Or I could look at it like I'm going to retire and my career is over and I'm done because I've been doing this for 25

[01:01:32] years and I'm burnout. Now, man, I'm fresh. I'm motivated. You know, I got so much, I got so much knowledge to share with everybody and I know how to do this, you know, I know how

[01:01:47] to work with artists and book tours, just represent talent and I'm really good at it. And, and I love what I do. And I feel like I'm just getting started today, which is kind of cool,

[01:01:59] you know? Yeah, no, no, no, across the board, right? So from sort of, you know, helping Steven out at various points trying to get him into rehab and sort of whatever happened in 2007. It's been an incredible career and like you're saying, you know, sort of,

[01:02:16] you've been such an integral part of so many bands and sort of rock history. So, you know, it'll be a shame if only the sort of 2007 incident gets highlighted. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, listen, the 2007, what did you know? Are we talking about the

[01:02:36] incident with Steven about me getting Steven and that? Yeah, but I mean, yeah, that was just that's just a brother trying to save his other save his older brother that that it at that point, it has nothing to do with him being a rock star.

[01:02:53] It has nothing to do with guns and roses or or or any of this. Listen, let me tell you something. Me and my brother and brother, we're like this. We were the only two people in my brother's will.

[01:03:09] My brother owns 15% of guns, roses, music still to this day, he never sold his world, he never sold his publishing. So it was just me and my mom were in his will.

[01:03:19] So if Steven died, I'm set for life. I own 15. I own this publishing all of a sudden, but I never wanted anything for free. I never wanted my brother's money. I like, if anybody knows me, I always wanted my brother to succeed. I never wanted,

[01:03:39] I wanted him back on top. I never wanted my brother to die. Like that was never even a question. And there was the time in 2007 where if I didn't do what I did, he would have been dead a week later. He would have been dead a week later.

[01:03:58] And I remember telling my mother, I said, mom, you realize what I'm about to do. We're going to be ex out of his will forever. But I don't give a shit because I don't want

[01:04:08] his, I don't want to own. I don't want my brother to die and then I own his publishing because then I would have died. That's all I, that's how I really believe all that free money coming

[01:04:19] to me. I would have done something stupid. I didn't want to go out like that. But I, but I still knew that that's what was going to happen. Either let him die that week

[01:04:31] or save his or try to save his life. And of course I often would try to save his life knowing that I could get arrested. I could go to jail. I'm going to get kicked out as well.

[01:04:43] He might never talk to me again. There were so many scenarios that could have happened, but I was willing to do whatever it takes because that's my flesh and blood. And I couldn't found them seeing my mom lose her son. And then that's when I put together

[01:05:01] a team around me. Some guys that really love my family and I love my mom and love me. And that were rolled out. And we went and we gaffled up Steven. We held the guy hostage for the next month. You know, listen, he could have left.

[01:05:20] Sure. There were some incidents. There were some houses where I had him stay in there. They were locked from the inside. We had a lock from the inside so he couldn't escape. But at the same time we're taking Steven to the dentist. He could have told the dentist

[01:05:34] called the cops. He could have told the dentist called the cops. Yeah, he could have told the dentist. He could have ran. There was a lot of different scenarios, but deep down inside Steven knew what

[01:05:48] we were doing was the best for him and that we were doing this out of love. We weren't doing this to try to harm my brother. We were doing this to try to save him. And he knew this.

[01:06:00] He knew that. And that's why as much as he fought us, you know, one of the security guards we had, Steven punched. He did. Steven did run away from our house one time

[01:06:10] all the way to the 7-Eleven and then our security caught up to Steven. Steven punched them and then our security guard had to punch Steven, knock him out, bring him back to the house. And so there were some incidents like that. But for the most part,

[01:06:27] you know, Steven stayed because he knew we were trying to help him. And what people are, people don't know that I didn't really elaborate in the story too much on Yahoo. But after the 30 days of Steven living with us, I mean, of us holding Steven down, feeding him

[01:06:43] the medicine because we had to feed him this medicine for the next 30 days. After this happened, me, Flash and the other guys, we showed up at the apartment in Van Iser. Steven was staying

[01:06:57] at day 30. And that's when Steven discovered I was involved because Steven didn't notice the whole time that I was behind all this. I mean, Flash showed up and said, what the fuck are you guys doing

[01:07:07] here? Hi, you guys were part of this. You fuckers. And Steven says, you keep me here for 30 days, three days or three years. Soon as I leave, how about I go get fucked up.

[01:07:20] And I look at slash like, man, I'm sorry, Jamie, I tried slash. He really that guy really went above and beyond for my brother. I'll never forget that I love slash for that.

[01:07:31] He was there when I needed him during those times. And, and I looked at my guys and said, taking the Burbank airport dropped along because he was no longer green. He was healthy.

[01:07:41] You could tell that the blood infection was gone. So if this is what Steven wants to do, then let him. So my guys took him to Burbank airport, dropped them off and he was gone. Everybody just went through 30 days of hell. Okay, the people that were with Steven,

[01:07:59] the 38th for Steven for everybody. But we had to do this to clean out his system. Here's what people are now five months later is what we got the phone call. Steven saying, Hey guys, can you please come back here and let's try that again.

[01:08:17] Because when Steve went back to Las Vegas after the 30 days, he went right back to the same bullshit. He was back against smoking, bad, smoking crack, do whatever he's doing. And now he's all alone. He knows you're going to die and you reach back out to us.

[01:08:35] And we did it again. We went and we went and we did it. Wow. Did it get broken? Were you there when they got inducted into the Rock and Roll Allison? Nah, man. I was really sad about that because I didn't get an invite.

[01:08:50] You know, me and Steven weren't really talking at that point in Ireland. But what year did they get inducted? Yeah. So try to think. 2012 maybe? I think 12 they got inducted and 16 was that show in Argentina. I think that yeah. So was that right or am I wrong?

[01:09:12] Yeah, man. Listen, he didn't invite me. I wanted to be part of that but I don't know where I was. He didn't even take me on stage. I don't win that about her. But that's my brother. I love my brother. My brother is a great soul.

[01:09:40] But just sometimes his priorities are not in the right place. How do you get up there at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and thank your mom and your brother and your dad who were there for you through the thick and thin. But it's okay, you know?

[01:09:59] Absolutely. Everybody knows. I've never been that type of person that needed credit. You know, people ask me why did I do that story on Yahoo? Why? Because I want the entire world to know what I went through. You know, because if I never did that story,

[01:10:22] I'm going to die one day and no one's going to know my story. But I have a story, Dick. Everybody always says that they have a movie. Like their life is a movie. Now, my life is really a movie. And that's another thing, Dick.

[01:10:36] We need to figure out how to make that story into a movie because it's a freaking movie. That Yahoo story is beyond a movie. And I just, I wanted to share it.

[01:10:48] I wanted to share my story with the world because it's a story that needed to be told. I sacrificed a lot. I went through a lot, you know? And I just, I want to share that with, I want my kids one day.

[01:11:03] One day my children Ronnie, Mae, Julia and Talia, they're going to watch this podcast that we're on right now. Maybe that's my dad. I want my girls to know what their father did. That I was a selfish person, not a selfish person. I've never done anything for myself.

[01:11:21] Everything I've ever done, I've always done for others. It's never been about me. I want my children to know that when my children one day they're going to read that yachting story, they're going to know that all that these stories

[01:11:32] that their daddy told them, it was all true. You know, it sounds impossible. Like I literally was Nipsey Hussle. It's one of the most legendary, iconic rap superstars. I was there the day he got discovered. I was his agent for his first 100 shows for Nipsey Hussle really?

[01:11:51] Well, anyone could say that. But no, my stuff's documented. It's documented now and I do this for my children. You know, I want to have them. I want, I want, I want to make a movie. So I have a legacy something for my children.

[01:12:07] That's why everything I do now, I do for my kids. I want them to be proud of me. You know, that's why I did that story. Yeah. I want something that they could be proud of and, you know, it's, I've always held all the stuff inside.

[01:12:22] It's also very therapeutic when you're able to let it out. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, it's wonderful that you're doing things for yourself now and your family and you have sort of left that world behind. So that's, that's a... But for me, I've started a whole... It's a living.

[01:12:40] I lived, I'm on my second chapter of life. I live my first chapter, access, craziness, gangster, rock, rap, all that stuff. Now I'm a husband, I'm a father and I'm a productive citizen living in Australia, living a normal life.

[01:13:01] I say I live in heaven on earth and I'm living the dream now. That's it for this episode of Tales From The Road. Thank you for listening. If you like what you heard and wish to support the podcast,

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