Ep 222- Patthar Ke Phool Review

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[00:00:47] Khandaan Podcast. Hi, welcome to a new episode of Khandaan Podcast. My name is Asim

[00:00:53] Bernie and I'm joined with my lovely co-host Amrita and Sujoy. Hey, Amrita, hey, Sujoy.

[00:00:57] Hello, hello. Hello. Should we every sentence that we say should we end it with

[00:01:10] in the national interest of the country? I am like just obsessed with SP Balaya. Like his voice is

[00:01:18] now again in my head and I'm like why is not everything SP Balaya? Why does not every song

[00:01:25] being sung with SP Balaya? Oh my god, I love this man's voice. And also SPB's voice on Salman.

[00:01:39] This is a match made in heaven. So it's like Udeet Narayana and Amr Khandaan.

[00:01:44] Yeah. So we are talking about Patthurke Poole. We've spoken about it a few times. We had a few requests

[00:01:54] that we need to go back to our original concept of talking about Khan movies and older movies.

[00:02:01] And I've been trying to get Patthurke Poole on the Khandaan slate for a while and I have failed

[00:02:10] for five years. It keeps losing the popular choice for it. We keep putting it on the

[00:02:18] board and people don't want for it so we vetoed it this time. Exactly, we Pakistan are needed,

[00:02:24] basically. You can make that joke as if not me. So I'm just saying you know people might think

[00:02:36] this guy only makes one of India. I have some jokes about Pakistan together.

[00:02:43] This came out in 1991. I think this is Salman's third or fourth release. They get shot at

[00:02:50] Ruid times and then they just got released whenever. The summary is a young police officer

[00:02:56] and the daughter of a gangster fall in love at first sight. That's not true, it's not love at first

[00:03:01] it was directed by Anand Balani and writing written by Saleem Khan and it starts Salman Khan and

[00:03:09] Ravina Tandon. Yes, like my daughter Joy continued. You were finally talking about this movie.

[00:03:19] Calm down Amritah. What do you remember of Patthurke Poole and how did it feel?

[00:03:26] Actually, I didn't remember the movie at all and I didn't remember that this was Ravina's

[00:03:34] Demu feature. That is not what I remember at all but I remember the songs. I remember especially

[00:03:41] the first two songs. I just remember them like it was yesterday. I knew the lyrics.

[00:03:48] I knew the lyrics. I was insane. You know Bombay then most Bombayers.

[00:03:58] I knew the dance steps. I remembered the costume changes.

[00:04:07] All of that stuff, I just remembered all of it and expressions on Ravina's face. I remember

[00:04:15] that level of detail. What a joy it was to just watch this film and you'll talk about what

[00:04:26] I felt about the film in general but can I just say that there's nothing like a 90s hero?

[00:04:34] Like that entire generation of women who debuted in that particular decade.

[00:04:43] Rani, Kajol, Pripy, Ravina all of them they're just so special. This is Ravina's first film and you

[00:04:54] can see that she's raw but my god, she's a star. You can't keep your eyes off her from the very

[00:05:02] second that she comes on screen. She's just a giant, enormous star. In the first, Salman is like

[00:05:13] baby Salman and baby Salman was just charming as hell and you just see why he became

[00:05:22] V Salman Khan and yeah it was just a trip down memory lane.

[00:05:32] I don't remember watching this movie at all. Everything was a surprise to me.

[00:05:38] Yeah, I think I have like watched snippets of it whenever it came on Zee Cinema and whatever but

[00:05:43] I've never watched it in completion from you know the start to the finish. My whole nostalgic

[00:05:52] memory went on overdrive when I heard the songs like especially Kabit Uchaliya and

[00:05:59] linking road, Kabi Carter Road. Those two songs are like on my you know,

[00:06:05] untaxed replay list you know whenever Kabit Uchaliya is the case song for me. It's such a

[00:06:13] milestone in like Bollywood pop culture. This movie especially with Vinod Mehra in it and like

[00:06:25] yeah the dialogues are selling kind of just top notch and the placement of these

[00:06:33] I think I struggled a bit when I was you know because it's 2024 and it's different how Bollywood

[00:06:38] movies are now. The whole syntax on the grammar of how people speak but once I got on board with

[00:06:44] the 90s aesthetic of it, it was such a joy right for me. It's yeah I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it

[00:06:50] and as you said like Ravina is such a like what was her nickname like a ravishing Ravina or

[00:06:57] Sravish. Yeah that you got to roll the Rar's right arm. You sound like Jeevan.

[00:07:19] And I think we all watched this on Amazon Prime right?

[00:07:23] I think no I want to know YouTube. Oh God. Okay guys the Amazon print. No even the YouTube print it is so

[00:07:32] crystal clear. I don't think I saw this movie is this clear in the 90s then I'm seeing it now you

[00:07:39] know it is so and it's it's weird because I think a lot of times I was watching this movie and I was

[00:07:45] thinking you know all 90s movies they kind of seem cheap the way they were short and the film

[00:07:51] cinematographies and great and stuff like that but when you actually see it in this quality

[00:07:56] it's beautiful. Like it's really well shot, well lit and it never came through. It never came

[00:08:03] through when I watched it in the original prints and I watched this movie a lot you know

[00:08:08] and now but seeing it now I'm like oh now I get the choices they were making and this is actually

[00:08:13] a really competently made well crafted movie which I almost thought it was kind of like a

[00:08:19] big red schlocky movie that's what I had in my memory but I don't think it is. I want to talk

[00:08:25] first of all a little bit about Salim Khan and especially with you know Salim Javed like they were

[00:08:34] the writing duo that created these massive movies, these the angry young man and stuff like that

[00:08:40] and then they split up and watching this movie it really reminded me that you know I would say like

[00:08:47] Javed Akhtar is maybe the rebel against the establishment right and Salim is more the

[00:08:59] fighting macho kind of you know like fighting like physically fighting the system kind of guy right

[00:09:06] and it's just funny that when you put those two things together you get the angry young man

[00:09:13] you get the Amitabh which had fighting physical fighting against the system and the moral fight

[00:09:20] against the system and then when they split up the the the combination was stronger than the parts

[00:09:26] and I think here you can see because the second part when Salman becomes the cop

[00:09:32] he's basically doing a Zanger Amitabh voice and a Zangerh cosplay and it's funny because

[00:09:38] he doesn't have the physicality for it he's it's too early in his career to play a cop

[00:09:43] and it's also just a way that a cop comes into a villain's den and he's talking about my daddy

[00:09:48] getting killed you know like these are like this is not the tough cop kind of thing but it still works

[00:09:54] because Salim Khan is still such a good writer right like and but other thing I was thinking

[00:10:01] also about is like in the last few years he's become this script doctor kind of script mentor like

[00:10:09] Salman will say why I showed the script to Salim Khan and then he said make these changes or

[00:10:14] this and that and but still like this movie is weirdly made like there's a lot of choices that

[00:10:21] are made that I'm like wow that's like like especially the entry of the villains you know like

[00:10:28] the bad villain like the guy that killed it Salman's dad Ram Guppity I think he's called or

[00:10:34] something like that oh yeah his biological yeah and it's like these weird choices like if you

[00:10:41] are such a great script doctor why is that element like so janky when you're making that movie

[00:10:47] and that's where my thought process of this is kind of a big red action movie was like like

[00:10:52] a lot of these choices are very very janky but I wonder if maybe it's the director or the producers that

[00:10:58] just says you know we need 17,000 songs in this movie now fit a story around it you know so

[00:11:04] I don't know I don't know what what do you guys think about that that was definitely the 90s aesthetic

[00:11:10] though like you know this is somehow better than most of the 90s movies because of the people

[00:11:17] that are involved in it but if you take away you know salim Khan Salman Khan and Rabina from it it

[00:11:23] becomes part of that huge you know VHS era of movies where everybody merges into everything like

[00:11:30] the police commissioner when he hands over the file to Vinod Mera his naming out the Nami

[00:11:36] people of Mumbai and they all sound like the same people he says

[00:11:41] Balraj Kanna and then all the industrialist names and then he says Vagera Vagera

[00:11:52] these are the gangsters Vagera Vagera I just like hilarious hilarious

[00:12:00] I think I think salim Khan I think there is something to what you're saying as him like

[00:12:06] I think salim Khan works well as a script doctor because he understands pacing

[00:12:14] like this movie is very like the pacing of the film like the setups and the transitions might be

[00:12:21] janky but the pacing of the film is pretty much on point you know like you can see that there's

[00:12:28] the first act the second act the third act so you can see how it flows into each of them

[00:12:33] it never loses its internal logic so that way I can see what it is but the reason why

[00:12:42] the salim jave films were life-changing for Hindi cinema is because they

[00:12:52] they married the best of both jave dhakta and salim Khan jave dhakta brought in a sort of political

[00:13:00] sensibility so it wasn't just you know when you talk about the angry young man sure it was Amitab

[00:13:09] beating up the bad guys and that was very pleasurable but it was also his fight against

[00:13:16] something larger and for a larger cause without missing out on the fact that this is a man who

[00:13:24] is going to pay a very personal cost for those ideals and that sort of really played into

[00:13:35] Indian society at that time because we were just like what 25 years moved from you know the

[00:13:43] independent struggle and the whole idea of people paying personally for the larger good was

[00:13:55] something that the Indian public really resonated to so I think that way like when salim jave split I

[00:14:06] think that is where they sort of lost each other and that's where the work suffered like you said

[00:14:13] you know the the sum of the parts was definitely greater than the parts and I think what Patel Kippur

[00:14:21] also just kind of misses a bit of poetry you know like a bit of softness in the way it's approaching

[00:14:28] its message and that's really what this so much poetry though in the songs right but yeah no

[00:14:38] no no in the dialogues like yeah

[00:14:44] so that's the song that's literally the reciting the song right but yeah let's get into the movie

[00:14:54] like this was a massive hit let's not underplay how big of a hit this was at a big part of it was

[00:15:01] the music I've I sent you guys a little lehre video of the music launch and it's like a totally

[00:15:09] different era this movie right is you physically Ramesh to Rani's like this is a brand new concept that

[00:15:16] we have come brought it to Mumbai it's called music launch we're gonna launch the music is

[00:15:22] said and Salman's gonna be there at the event and he's gonna be signing autographs like people going

[00:15:27] nuts at Gati and Maratham and they're it's such a like throwback man it's so good and Salman is

[00:15:33] like they're going to sign you sign like a thousand autographs and like which are like like like

[00:15:41] standing in a line and they just and he's signing with a pilot yeah the thing is the people don't

[00:15:49] even get to meet Salman they just stand in a queue and they give like a card that's signed by Salman

[00:15:53] they put it in their cassette and they go they've been waiting for seven hours for this nonsense you know

[00:15:58] yeah so it was Salman's third or fourth movie was Raveena Raveena's first movie this is like her

[00:16:05] first main movie it also launched a grand history of a roller skating in Indian movies that then got

[00:16:14] continued in Doom 2 and Lafange Parinday excuse exactly I will not stand for this Agale La Jaya

[00:16:24] a razor yeah I'm sorry like did Shashi fight off the villains on roller skates for this kind of

[00:16:32] slander I think not what you what you're slating Agale La Jaya yourself three episodes ago

[00:16:40] never never okay I have not watched this movie and it's not important to me this it would

[00:16:47] wow Salman Khan walks into this movie with so many tassels so many tassels he's wearing

[00:17:00] it surpasses anything Shashi Kapoor kurgru just a tassel or I will ignore that for the time being

[00:17:08] so just find out that Salman walks into the first time that we see Salman in this film he's wearing

[00:17:13] a friend cap yeah just so you do not know where you know this actor from you know that that is the time

[00:17:23] where we have to reconnect Yevalav Oeevanday Jo was finally movie with Haay you know like because he's

[00:17:27] new you know yeah also I also this movie starts by the way I'm like wow like what a theme song like

[00:17:36] and then I was like wait this sounds familiar to me so I shazammed where the credits basically they

[00:17:43] stole Jerry Goldsmith's score from total recall it's called the dreams as I go wait I know this

[00:17:52] so they just which is why it is completely silent when the credits are playing on YouTube

[00:17:59] right see that's why you need to watch it on prime because they've literally stolen Jerry Goldsmith's

[00:18:04] team and there's also plot points that are completely lifted from the godfather you know like

[00:18:09] so it's like blatant you know I mean there's the nitrider the I tried a theme as well yeah yeah

[00:18:19] I knew so I want to ask you because Amrit I want to ask you about this because I don't know any of his

[00:18:25] movies Vinod Mehra what is he about honestly I've watched so many middle of Mehra movies and I couldn't

[00:18:35] tell you I have no idea why he was a big deal but he was a huge deal in the 70s and I didn't even

[00:18:43] remember that he was in this film so when he showed up I was just like oh like I didn't know that

[00:18:48] he was in this film yeah I have no idea I have no idea but he was very versatile like

[00:18:57] he was sort of like a upscale version of Amal Palikar I feel like that's how I would I would decide for me

[00:19:05] he was interchangeable with that Sachin guy that was in Sattepesatta you know like those guys were

[00:19:11] interesting and funny enough Vinod Mehra passed away and he couldn't do the dubbing for this movie

[00:19:15] and Sachin I Sachin actually did the dubbing for him so it's not even his voice

[00:19:19] I went deep yo I went deep I got you goalsmith themes and I got you the dubbing voice here

[00:19:28] Sujoy what do you think of Vinod Mehra this is a no different Sachin did the dubbing it's Sachin

[00:19:34] Karekkar who did that not Sachin Pelle Gaukar Sachin Karekkar played what he got both in

[00:19:41] and do you remember I think I know who he is yeah yeah he thinks like the dad and it's not like that

[00:19:48] Sachin Pelle Gaukar is the Sattepesatta yeah but even Vinod Mehra they always have that

[00:19:53] Asim Asim doesn't he's like isn't really no I care as much as Shashi Kapoor was skating

[00:20:04] it's like on the same level okay but I'm saying this is this is the real India part itself

[00:20:12] this look here the next one I mean we live in a post-truth world so it's fine yeah but

[00:20:21] they had for me they had this interchangeable soft boy image you know Vinod Mehra so it was very

[00:20:25] odd for me for him to be playing like this badass cop you know and it's also very weird because

[00:20:32] they have also this Munna Bhai type of comedy setup where like one of the cops is playing

[00:20:39] the tortured cop like he's very smart like he's not maroing anything

[00:20:47] it's really funny because the human in this movie is not very funny but what is funny is that

[00:20:55] you can see directly where Salman and his brothers got this sense of humor from because it is the

[00:21:03] same like you know like terrible level of humor that you will see in like a so-heal

[00:21:10] conflict you know it's things where you're just like yeah joke haha I mean like oh I see I see

[00:21:18] I was like jokes of course you were

[00:21:26] Asim was taking notes good dad joke I must reuse this

[00:21:31] haha there have been many tragedies through the history of our humanity none as big

[00:21:40] As Salman Khan losing that beautiful beautiful hair

[00:21:48] he even had hair like on his torso in this film like that is a level of

[00:21:54] Heroness that Salman has not experienced in 25 years like it's like he had like three different

[00:22:00] monks like in one shot like it would start in the middle then it would be on the side and then

[00:22:05] the fight scene would be in the other who's like wow all of them are beautiful it's just beauty

[00:22:11] and then you have Raveena's beautiful hair which is like almost as good as like Dimple Kapadia's

[00:22:17] like that's level of good hair right and then in this meet cute his hair and her hair is

[00:22:23] tangled together it's like the avengers of beautiful hair

[00:22:31] That is probably my favorite shot of Salman in this film because it literally so the gag is that

[00:22:38] you know being meet they have the the dream sequence which is

[00:22:43] Kabitu Chaliyalakta and then Raveena passes out on his shoulder and then they wake up in the morning

[00:22:51] and Salman has had caught in his teeth for some reason it is such a proto-Salman move

[00:23:02] and I'm just like okay I see it I see it I see the vision that became like Salman 2.0

[00:23:12] he's so annoying yet so charming in this movie I don't know how you balance that out because I will

[00:23:19] say I will be honest I have tried some of these techniques that Salman tried on Raveena

[00:23:27] back in my back in my days when I used to have it I'm just I'm just imagining Asim like chewing on his

[00:23:40] wave before my wife this is like Belgian era like this is like teen Asim you know like six-pack Asim

[00:23:47] this is probably why Asim had to like move to a different country

[00:23:54] these techniques do not work I just have to tell people that are now revisiting Patthar Kehpur

[00:24:00] these techniques will not work unless you are Salman Khan and I don't think they even work

[00:24:05] now for Salman Khan you have to go Salman Khan early 20 Salman you know like yeah it's it's a

[00:24:11] it's a thing and then we there's also this father feud going on right between the two fathers

[00:24:21] and it's almost like this you know philosophical debate on how to how society works and things

[00:24:29] like that you know like and it's funny because they're very still very respectful of each other so

[00:24:36] Vinod Merra will still call the villain Balraj Saheb you know it's like it's he's your four he's

[00:24:42] your villain but that's still how we address him and everything Vinod Merra does he will come into

[00:24:49] the villain's house and tell him what he's about to do and then they'll have a whole debate about

[00:24:54] it and I think all of those shots were done at the same you know the all of the scenes were shot

[00:24:59] at the same time so he's just like leaving the garden then coming back into the garden leaving

[00:25:04] the garden one more thing you know Columbus style villain guy who is he played with by

[00:25:13] who's the co-ga kaput no no the the Ravina's dad I mean oh

[00:25:19] oh he's one of those guys like if you see him you know who he is

[00:25:25] can't remember his name yeah Manohar Singh yeah so he's the head but

[00:25:30] that way so he's the head of this cartel right I thought that was like a very like real

[00:25:40] mistake sort of like it's a crime syndicate but it has a very corporate structure

[00:25:46] it is like you reminding me exactly like Farhanath I does in

[00:26:04] but it's like you know like he's like well we elected me to make the decisions and I have

[00:26:10] decided that we are criminals but we are not beige drois right therefore if you want to do like

[00:26:19] gray beige drois stuff then I will say no I draw the line yeah I draw the line at drugs

[00:26:27] the what's allowed is smuggling they're very big on smuggling but we're not gonna do drugs

[00:26:32] and if you sell drugs and she's like he's like you know if we do smuggling and stuff it will

[00:26:40] affect the government that is okay he's like I'm anti-establishment yeah I'm not anti-tea

[00:26:48] I'm not anti youth I think that's what he specifically says which I feel is such a salim hard move

[00:26:54] you know that is exactly what this angry young man thing was about you know and I liked that

[00:27:00] the village is like this group will not sell drugs and if it's sell drugs I'm going to the cop and

[00:27:05] I'm naming all of you fuckers he's just like leave the country or I'm naming all of you it's like wow

[00:27:13] that is like that is almost like a drug deal also like he's also giving them heads up like

[00:27:19] are you with me or are you gonna leave yeah yeah because he has that conscious moment where his

[00:27:26] his daughter is like you know I'm just gonna go and become a prostitute papa and he's like

[00:27:34] for people by the way it's funny just like and the daughter is like oh good to know you still have

[00:27:41] morals got you prostitution fake out and I was like this is funny because both Salvan and

[00:27:52] Rabina are like okay I'm leaving the house and they go away with their attachi case and I was like

[00:27:58] where are these people leaving to what job prospects do they have what kind of what kind of like

[00:28:02] what skills and do they bring to the market you know but yeah yeah I do love the villain group and

[00:28:08] so Goga Kapoor is the guy that's gonna you know like sell them out you know straight away

[00:28:15] but in the background we also have iftechar and he gets no lines I was like what the hell iftechar

[00:28:19] like what happened like Paul guy yeah did he die no no he was still making movies like for a while

[00:28:27] after this so it was like yeah you got no lines like you know weed maybe he was like he was

[00:28:35] struggling at that time already and like maybe they gave him a little cam you're like you know like

[00:28:40] yeah I just felt sad about it to be honest yeah so do you want to say

[00:28:45] I have completely lost my phone yeah let's talk a bit about did we talk about Rabina a little bit

[00:28:53] or did you anything else you want to say let's talk let's talk about Rabina

[00:28:59] uh I think at that time she was so drop dead gorgeous like you know it's like

[00:29:11] Cindy Crawford gorgeous you know like like that level of like supermodel gorgeousness and

[00:29:18] funny enough I was watching her here and I was weirdly thinking of Sonam Kapoor um

[00:29:24] I was like both of them like what you were saying Amritat they're very raw right like they're not

[00:29:29] like the actresses that they became but they're both dropped dead gorgeous but I feel Sonam never

[00:29:37] really evolved her skill as much as uh Rabina did I feel like and I think a lot of it is maybe that

[00:29:46] they got to do so many movies together and I gotta say I'm not I wasn't like this

[00:29:52] Rabina was not I was not like the huge fan of Rabina it was not I didn't have

[00:29:56] Rabina posters on my wall you know but like it's an undeniable the star power both of these two have

[00:30:03] right I don't think I've ever put like Rabina and Sonam in the same group forever um but I think also

[00:30:11] Rabina Rabina was drama yeah in a way that none of the you know the new generation girlies can even

[00:30:21] fathom being uh I mean not just Rabina but like Manisha even Kajol like they were all like so

[00:30:31] drama like there was a solid like three to four year period when all you ever saw

[00:30:39] was film magazine after film magazine about Rabina's personal life yeah um

[00:30:44] you know whether like Akshed Kumar is somewhere there right

[00:30:48] Akshed even isn't there uh Akshed in there and they were like like a four five names that were

[00:30:55] just like constantly like yeah do you remember like Sunny like it was it was just insane um and also

[00:31:04] like she was she was never like one of these um I think the 90s was also different from the 80s

[00:31:11] and that none of these girls were um particularly shy and reticent

[00:31:18] there was a modernism that had come in like just in terms of how you're presenting yourself

[00:31:23] and I think she was a bit earlier but then Pooja Bhatt Pooja really those took it a step further

[00:31:29] but it was already the start of this right they were people were a lot more I think a lot of that

[00:31:35] has also to do for them being second generation film people right yeah Tandar is the daughter of

[00:31:43] Ravi Tandar and then Pooja Bhatt obviously daughter of Manish Bhatt and Kajol daughter of Tandar

[00:31:49] Jhan on the whole um Shobu Mukherjee yeah Mukherjee family so yeah when nepotism was good with

[00:31:59] yeah I mean yeah I mean they were all just and then you see

[00:32:10] Ravina on screen and it's not like she's like the greatest actress or something but you can see

[00:32:17] the raw talent you know she's not just posing she's not trying to be an influencer um I think like

[00:32:26] that's basically what tripped up all the new generation girlies you know the the need to become

[00:32:33] influencers whereas like back then it was just like you know they were they were actresses

[00:32:39] that's what they were they came to do yeah it wasn't a pathway to another life

[00:32:44] they weren't building a plan for their retirement they were like no this is the plan like I am

[00:32:51] going to be a heroine and then I'm gonna like marry well and like which my little marriage life

[00:32:57] you know yeah um and you can see the difference in the lives and the careers that these women had

[00:33:04] and the way that we still think about them versus uh you know people will be thinking about say

[00:33:10] John Lee and Cole uh 20 years from now and also I mean when you see on like social media and stuff

[00:33:19] people are still mimicking scenes from the movies from the 90s with Ravina Karishma Manisha

[00:33:25] uh Kajal and all of this nobody's like doing uh lip-synx or you know enacting scenes out of

[00:33:31] the recent sloth of movies right but I guess that's got more to do with 90s nostalgia than

[00:33:38] any of these movies that are released today being you know sort of milestones of pop culture maybe

[00:33:43] like in a decade or so we will be seeing people quoting Ranveer as Rocky Ranthawa or whatever

[00:33:50] yeah yeah and also it was very well known that Salman and Ravina did not get along during the

[00:33:57] making of this movie like there's still interviews now about Ravina talking about it uh like Salman

[00:34:02] was basically I'm never working with you again and then they immediately did the Dasab Nafi

[00:34:06] after that so it's not that they had a choice plus they were walking maybe also they because

[00:34:11] they were working in like eight movies at a time and they just got confused like which one was he

[00:34:17] Aila Tuparay exactly one of the famous feuds that I found on IMTV is Vivek Vaswani who is also

[00:34:27] in this movie he had a major media war with Salman Khan and Salim Khan and says Salim Khan said

[00:34:35] Vaswani did not even have 100 rupees in his pocket when he met him it was he who introduced Vaswani

[00:34:40] to G.P. Sipi Vivek Vaswani said this was a lie because he was friends with G.P. Sipi's nephew Vijay

[00:34:47] plus he said he paid Salim Khan in advance to write the script and Salim took the money

[00:34:51] and for several months did not do anything Salim Khan blamed stress as the reason stating Helen

[00:34:57] just sold her a part this is so much history guys Vaswani then claimed he let Helen live a full

[00:35:04] longer in a flat he owned for free my god Vaswani then went on to add Salman Khan cheated him

[00:35:12] he would say he was tired and leave early only to go and shoot for his friend Bobby Kenskurban

[00:35:17] Kurban okay yeah so much full mystery oh so I did wonder since this movie came out in 91

[00:35:26] and then like I know Vaswani helped launch Shahrukh one year later like I wonder like what kind

[00:35:34] of politics was involved in Vaswani wanting to do that you know oh yeah because G.P.

[00:35:40] that Sipi is also involved with Sipi yeah G.P. Sipi was one of the first people that

[00:35:48] Vaswani took Shahrukh to to get signed and yeah so that was like a whole thing but also like

[00:35:58] like Salim Khan after Salim Javed split up like he wasn't in the best financial condition until

[00:36:06] Salman you know became like a runaway success we all meet jokes about like Salman basically

[00:36:13] shouldering you know his entire panoti family but it's it's true yeah like Salman basically

[00:36:22] just rescued his entire family and I don't think they even give him kind of credit for it you know

[00:36:30] they basically just the way they talk about him is just like ha teek at like you know the donkeys

[00:36:37] like he's a good reliable donkey like I'm just like what what is wrong with you people

[00:36:43] yeah um I think we need to talk now about the music of this movie um yeah there are so many

[00:36:54] songs in this movie and I love literally every one of them so much like I love this sound track

[00:37:04] um it's done uh was composed by Ram Lakshman who then went on to do you know

[00:37:08] you know how much K and Khan and how sad sad there and it was two people it was basically two people

[00:37:15] one of them died and then the other guy just took their name and continue to do it so

[00:37:22] that is so hilarious just for the vibes just for the guys

[00:37:27] do you do want to go through every the thing is also with these songs it's like

[00:37:33] they're not just songs they also tell the story of the movie they do actually

[00:37:37] propel the story of the movie right so it's very hard to just say oh what's your favorite song and

[00:37:43] talk about it we basically have to go through song by song in a way because it's literally the part

[00:37:47] of the story but we I mean we have to start with Kabir Tuchali alakta right like it's

[00:37:52] um it's like such a good song such a banger espibala supremacy you know I liked it because it's

[00:37:59] also kind of that predecessor where it um they they use this formula again in uh

[00:38:05] the girl's where she wants to go and uh that we'll meet again from uh from uh

[00:38:12] Rabni Manadi Jury right but this was the proto version of that song and they take it even a step

[00:38:18] you know I guess they do this in for uh then we'll go through the

[00:38:22] whole of the lyrics are titles of movies right um i'm just saying that's also there in

[00:38:30] as well in my life and Sathy in the left with Kamal Aasin and uh Rati oh wow okay I didn't know that

[00:38:39] asim is like that's a movie yeah and you've never heard of this movie you know

[00:38:43] you've never heard of it do you think of it is that the one with uh with the short

[00:38:47] Kamal Hassan in the long Kamal Hassan no no that's uh that's uh that's Apooraja I don't

[00:38:53] I play with you i mean yeah did you have what do you think of that song it's it's still a classic right

[00:39:01] yeah it's it's uh as just like educational right i'm trying to say

[00:39:06] asim was asking the way asim was asking a question is like you better say it's a

[00:39:11] classic and don't even think about having an argument about this right now there's no criticism

[00:39:18] is my accepted of this movie but not yeah

[00:39:25] everything's fun in games and oh we're all adults here and we come up in there guys

[00:39:31] I have to see

[00:39:44] uh and then uh yeah we have the amazing uh skating song um which you know that way

[00:39:51] can i just say can i just say about the Chaliyasong i also really appreciate the way it was

[00:39:57] Kodiprao and it was by Chini Prakash who usually you know he's just he just does like really shady

[00:40:07] like sex yeah the sacks up um but uh in this one like it was just like really really well done

[00:40:17] you know the costume changes especially um there were times when i was just like laugh out loud

[00:40:24] and the salman was having his ken moment you know where he was just he's just like spin it

[00:40:30] wearing like whatever the new outfit was um it was so good and also uh ravina wears like

[00:40:39] ravina in asari like a simple saree looks better than like i need like 90% of the people wearing kutor

[00:40:49] like i cannot explain just how and that's hurtling nergis right yeah

[00:40:56] and how this is hard with the outfit i'm not even 20 at that time right when she was doing this

[00:41:01] like it's super young and she pulls it off like can you see like that young girl now pulling off a

[00:41:07] saree in that way like and like a reigned wrenched and like cold and like still rocking it it's

[00:41:12] bloody amazing one piece of like mini like obviously salman is dressing up as all of these people

[00:41:21] like leader and loafer and then when he comes us hero he's jackishroof with the flute it's so

[00:41:26] like i clapped man there's so much fun this is also one where he's like azad and he's like flexing

[00:41:33] his biceps yeah dude like it's so great like muscle dick muscle can act too

[00:41:49] so yeah second song is the you say will ke jo pyaarwa um i love this song because back in the day

[00:41:57] uh you obviously heard the song but here when you watch it they are also holding up the signs of

[00:42:03] the names that espibala is pronouncing because it's very hard for me to understand is it

[00:42:09] parlor road or is it powder road is it parlor road and it's very hard because that's

[00:42:15] espibala does what espibala does you know he'll just speak it in his way but i appreciate the fact

[00:42:20] the saman is hooting like it's link in road guys link it not ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[00:42:26] what's go by the road like what's go what is that like go by the road like

[00:42:32] goal by the road what is this i don't know i have no idea

[00:42:36] i uh i do wonder if like people who live in bombay look at that song and they're just like wow

[00:42:43] so the construction with these roads have been going on since then because like i feel like there are

[00:42:49] like certain roads where there is under construction then and it's under construction now like every

[00:42:54] time i go to bombay like some road or the other is always under construction so um i do wonder what

[00:42:59] must feel like to be from bombay and like watch these also this song continues the tradition of

[00:43:06] the khans being unbelievably reckless when it comes sustains salman is literally hanging on a car

[00:43:12] with roller skates and then he climbs on top of the car and then he's roller skating on the

[00:43:17] on the front of the car like it's insane like people just allow them to do these things yeah they just

[00:43:23] did it why were we all so obsessed with roller skates around that time because like i remember

[00:43:32] like i was like little but i remember like all my little friends and i around that same time you

[00:43:37] were all just like really big on skating for some reason yeah i was i was so good at skating

[00:43:44] i was literally so good guys you cannot believe how good of a roller skater i was like i loved it

[00:43:50] like i loved it i used to do all of the flips and the jumps and the grinds and stuff like that i

[00:43:55] loved roller skating so much uh i don't know i think for i mean i grew up on the the belgian coast

[00:44:02] and we have amazing spots it's like all flat and basically the belgian coast is like the whole

[00:44:09] coast from one town to the other town you could basically walk it like it's just straight

[00:44:15] and flat and it's like they have money from from infrastructure so the the roads were really really good

[00:44:21] so it was like roller skating paradise we roller skating and skateboarding a couple of areas

[00:44:26] later and then roller blades so all of them have been huge where i grew up so yeah i loved it

[00:44:33] but yeah i don't know how you guys did it in india like how was it easy to roller skate

[00:44:39] well i lived in a gated community so it was really like really nice

[00:44:50] i used to see the the high and mighty of searcher town uh the the the kids who used to go for tennis

[00:44:58] club coaching after the tennis club coaching they were used to be the roller skates and you used

[00:45:02] to look from outside amir look at the whole funny

[00:45:16] this is some model college Rajput college shit

[00:45:22] i am very pajamas up that way

[00:45:26] oh god so then the next song that came out was dindana kdinda which is proof

[00:45:32] that a song can be randomly dropped into a movie with no beginning to the story and if it's

[00:45:39] a good song it works when the leads look so hot together that they can literally wear matching

[00:45:45] zomato delivery outfits and look good and they even fit in like all of that is already

[00:45:53] i'm sold but then they also add lambada in there

[00:46:00] is this s l world

[00:46:11] so many songs have been shot there huh no yeah yeah

[00:46:15] it's a good song it's it was one of those songs that i had forgotten like i didn't know

[00:46:21] that this was in there but the moment yeah these are the top three songs for me at the rest are

[00:46:27] like sort of forgotten completely but like kavita chalia um say milke jo pyaarwa and dindana kdinda

[00:46:37] oh so good so good and then we have to talk about this one it's just the weirdest party in my life

[00:46:44] that i've seen is ill kurban so this party to the nojo one okay and it's all uncles in the background

[00:46:55] like where are the nojo ones that's what i want to hear and it is like so and the chairs have bolts

[00:47:01] yeah so it's like i love a party song right like just generally we all do especially when a lot of

[00:47:07] is being said without things being said you know but this also has like a weird eyes wide shut

[00:47:14] kind of situation going on we're all the but at the same time there's like colorful ribbons and

[00:47:21] balloon sangu like who's doing the decor of this eyes wide shut party and there's chair dancing

[00:47:27] there's violins in there the masks come off then they get back on the dancing is weirdly

[00:47:33] sexual at certain places and it's tini percuss i'm telling you yeah and i'm telling you they

[00:47:39] watched like you know ferro's car movies and they were like that's a party yeah like that's for me

[00:47:45] even and then they just couldn't commit that much because like nobody does ferro's car better than

[00:47:50] ferro's car but i also think like i think this is a song for the dancers like the like these are

[00:47:57] probably background artists and background dancers and they get to be on the forefront

[00:48:02] and usually what would happen is that dream sequence dream sequence and then salman and

[00:48:07] ravina would be there and then they would take the lead here this doesn't happen it just the

[00:48:12] dances that are doing it and i thought it was really cool that they got to shine a little bit you

[00:48:16] know although they have to wear masks because they're not probably not as good looking as salman

[00:48:20] and ravina are that's what they're probably the mask or they're just regular random people

[00:48:25] but i think they can really like show their skillset without it being break dancing or you know

[00:48:32] like a specific kind of like modern dance but it's just like they see you dancing and it's really

[00:48:38] really fun it's really like high energy kinetic and salman is just taking the time to get

[00:48:44] sloshed at that moment he says like downing one shot after the other when it didn't take a lot

[00:48:50] of convincing for him to start drinking you know like this yeah and then he gets home and his

[00:48:57] mom and dad are like you're not happy yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and then yeah then he has

[00:49:03] the face off with winoan man are two right like about morals and how it's like well yeah i got to say

[00:49:09] now when i'm drunk because tomorrow i'm not gonna be able to say yeah and then also ravina rima

[00:49:15] lago who we haven't talked about at all that is the other magic of this movie that we have salman and

[00:49:22] rima rima lago mother and son the way things are supposed to be

[00:49:29] all right and she basically puts a japa bo on him right like you're not even winoan man as son right

[00:49:34] like yeah spoilers and then there's a lot of like the rest of the songs are very like angry

[00:49:42] skating and emotional songs that come up oh my god salman gets a shri devi's dance of tanda

[00:49:54] it is on the roller skates have you guys watched did you guys used to watch flight of the concords

[00:50:01] yeah there was like breath's angry dance you have to like i just added it really reminded me of that

[00:50:09] you know it's just like full of anger and emotion as the pitches are like ravina

[00:50:14] ah you know i can sense like amazing hair flowing everywhere it is like every song now is a montage

[00:50:22] you know the Ajayaya, Mothsik Aderna, Sundil Ruba, Dilki Sadha they're all montages one after

[00:50:31] the end and i even sagna teray bin ka jeena you know like all of them are like just these

[00:50:38] very emotional songs and like dramatic lighting and like hair fans and stuff like that and it's

[00:50:46] all amazing also i just like that like the which one is it the Ajayaya is Latasolo right

[00:50:56] it's basically just her singing it and again that's the thing that doesn't happen that much anymore

[00:51:02] like a solo song by one female singer it's something that's kind of almost gone out of

[00:51:09] ogue you know you only get like two lines in a arijith song now so that was kind of cool too of that

[00:51:15] era you know um where were you kind of like standout song is it the big popular ones or any of

[00:51:22] these other ones that you're connected yeah no the top two are definitely like chalya and

[00:51:30] lincoln roll yeah like those are my two top so favorites i legit like mothsik Aderna guys it's

[00:51:36] it's my it's on my uh it's your chim song it's my chim song it has been my jing song for many many

[00:51:44] years but i changed it i was like you know deadlift sik Aderna that's how it we have to first

[00:51:52] yeah yeah let's put on some more wait yeah all right extra plate uh yeah uh i i really love all of them

[00:52:01] like even the ones that had forgotten i really loved these songs i'm really gonna get the album

[00:52:05] again and start listening it to get but it's crazy like after like you know 30 years the movie

[00:52:11] still stands up it still works it's still funny at the spaces it's supposed to be funny i think the

[00:52:17] second half the whole action probably could have been better like there's no great action in it

[00:52:23] and then you also have the kirin kumar thing happening on the sidelines and then you have you know

[00:52:27] gajini getting killed by karga you know all of these things are happening too like

[00:52:33] how is gajini talman's dad you know it does make no sense you know uh but cello i think the first half

[00:52:39] is probably better and things get a bit more i think i i love the most in one scene where we know

[00:52:47] where i visit um balrad sam's house and he clearly this shot follows him and he's got a cigarette

[00:52:55] in his mouth and as soon as balrad sam offers him a lighter he says manip cigarette peanut towards

[00:53:01] yeah my favorite was actually when uh salman has now become a policeman and he comes to baraj

[00:53:13] hana and he goes like uh you are my boss and i want to tell you and this guy is just like

[00:53:21] how am i gonna give you the asher rodren like i'm the guy that you are going to say to prison

[00:53:26] and someone is like this too yeah salman is like asher rodren am in jau

[00:53:31] right and this guy just has his awkward stare of and then he's like aha you always have my asher rod

[00:53:43] but it it goes to the people were really like you know authentic about

[00:53:48] authentic about their asher rod like it had meaning back then in the 90s you know like now

[00:53:53] it's just asher rod left and right it's on the ata you know like it's it doesn't matter anymore

[00:53:58] it's been commoditized in the 90s it had value people

[00:54:05] it's funny though because it's this is the same guy when here he's negotiating like i

[00:54:10] i demand your asher rodren and then andas apna apna he's like a chicken street in front of

[00:54:16] abha bhaja unclean just like a small two to jump

[00:54:24] so all jox so all jox

[00:54:27] i also just like that you know karga comes back and he's like ramsing gupti ramsing gupti

[00:54:33] amera naav is like i remember ramsing gupti from 40 minutes ago when you told us that he killed

[00:54:39] you know like he was like a small role mehla but he got married

[00:54:49] and then this kirin kumar is khan chacha like what is khan chacha have to do with any

[00:54:56] khan chacha is there like absolutely useless yeah but he's like a very kind of moral pattern

[00:55:02] kind of thing where he's like you know you're not gonna kill salman because our brity loves

[00:55:07] this guy, you know, like he puts that to Goga Kapoor and Goga Kapoor is just not feeling the vibes man

[00:55:12] Goga Kapoor is I'm out. I'm gonna start selling drugs y'all. Let's coke this bitch up

[00:55:21] Let's have a party

[00:55:24] What Bombay needs in Linky Grote and Carol Brode is a coke

[00:55:28] Yeah let's carface this bitch

[00:55:32] And Balraj Khanna isn't a bitch

[00:55:35] Exactly

[00:55:36] Goga Kapoor, I ain't having none of that

[00:55:39] Bring in Ram Singh Gupta you let's get rid of these people you know

[00:55:45] We should do a total rewrite of Patar Kapoor just like that

[00:55:51] How can we improve? Are we the writers of cracks which are how can we improve Patar Kapoor

[00:55:58] Oh man

[00:56:01] Good good

[00:56:03] See this is good we should be in our zone

[00:56:05] We should talk about these movies instead of like you know fighter like that brings nobody any joy

[00:56:10] This brings so much joy. We're happy you're happy everybody's happy

[00:56:13] You know let's do more of these

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