Anuj Gurwara breaks down the school education

00:00:03 Speaker 1: back in a a a 00:00:12 Speaker 1: everyone peed up appear and this is another book. Now we've got a great guest line up for this episode. So we're cutting the chase on this introduction of sorts and let's get into the guest introduction because, honestly, this is going to take a bit. So we're joined by an urge Gurdwara, who's a multi hyphenate 00:00:35 Speaker 1: and hold on the thought for why I said Maldive Net as we had got another multi evn it a couple of months ago. But he is a radio jockey. Playback sing a martial ceremonies actor voice over actor podcast er 00:00:54 Speaker 1: un urged denying Miss out on anything Be honest. 00:00:58 Speaker 2: Thank you. They give me very kind. I'm happy to be popping year on pops and a point and lovely to be here. Finally. Thank you so much. Thank you. Just the travelling circus. I like to 00:01:09 Speaker 1: put that in 00:01:10 Speaker 2: a 00:01:13 Speaker 1: But I think out of all the professions that Peter spoke about, I think me I here to talk to you about what you manage. I don't know how to have been put that it's it's you run a school right by the It does not connect to any of his, um, Peter sets of yellow goo. Wow, it's that come from right? Well 00:01:35 Speaker 2: in in innocence. Let's let's look at it this way. Academics and education 00:01:39 Speaker 2: gave up on me a long time 00:01:40 Speaker 1: ago, so 00:01:41 Speaker 2: I I I went out of the into the world my many heads and and went round to get exposure from all over the world in various fields. And and I am able to distil all of it back into the school, and my parents run 00:01:58 Speaker 2: and bring that experience to the kids and give them a little bit of everything from around the world. So I put it that way. You know, I'm bringing it all back and hoping that 00:02:10 Speaker 2: my experience helps them. 00:02:13 Speaker 1: So it's a strange right, because energy, when we connected first last year was when I was working last year in a roll with regards to broadcast, and we were talking about broadcasting and stuff like that. And then as we kept talking, you kept introducing the different things that you've done, and I'm like, Okay, okay. And then many finally, through this about the school of is it's like, wow, 00:02:39 Speaker 1: this is like, really fascinating cause it is completely unrelated. But I have to quickly close the loop on what I said about multi hyphen it because you were actually mentioned on an episode not too long ago where a friend of yours carry Edwards, was on the podcast and nude introduced us so kindly get a great chat with him. And I thought, you know, now that an urge listens to the podcast and candy gets it, we're going to talk to you about schools. 00:03:07 Speaker 1: And I think that's not just something that no other and I have deeply got involved in the last couple of years, but in also that most of our listeners, I cannot get away. I mean, we live in India, you cannot get away with having to deal with schools. But before we get into all of their conversation, I wanna touch upon something very interesting about is that 00:03:29 Speaker 1: you actually studied in the same school that you're currently can running also, which is the show with public school raid and yes, tell me, how did that full circle kind of happen? I mean, 00:03:42 Speaker 1: if I'm not you is student number one, the for Enron. 00:03:47 Speaker 2: I I was admission number one of the school that my father's back in 1984 and I have an elder brother, he six years older, his 5.5 years older. But my dad and mom worked and some of the finest public schools across the country. Whether to seems Paul's Darjeeling. There's share would college nine. It'll daily college indoor, 00:04:11 Speaker 2: and they love education as a purpose in life. So by the time they were ready to start their own school, my brother had already, you know, studied through his his early years and school quite a bit. And he was always older than the oldest class, so he actually never studied in immuno of our own school was always outside. As for me, by the time I was ready to start school, my dad was in a position to start his own school a side 00:04:49 Speaker 2: as I became admission number one, and I have a very I do not know another person in my network distant network as well who has been home schooled or school at home the way I have been. I know there are a lot of kids were home schooled. 00:05:07 Speaker 2: Bye. I have a very interesting storey that we were in in Secunda Abad in Hyderabad, Twin cities of hide Ban Secunda. But so in a cadre, Bad Ibori will be living in an independent house with a yard running all around the house. It was a two bedroom independent house and in the entire yard on both the sides, the garage, the parking garage and the backyard that had constructed classrooms 00:05:35 Speaker 2: and we were living right in the centre of it. So every morning I would wake up and get ready, have my breakfast and then put on my bag and then go to the front door, open the door, put one step out, and I'd be in school 00:05:51 Speaker 2: the moment all the kids would, you know. At the end of the day, the bell bordering 00:05:59 Speaker 2: they would all head to the gate of the of the compound, and they would exit onto the road to go back to their respective homes. And I would turn, do this main door of the house, opened the door, put one step in and I was back home. 00:06:12 Speaker 2: So for many years I lived right in the central school, and that's how I have grown up. So I literally lived in school or, you know, my school experience. I don't have a home to go to because I left right there. It was not not not even a hostel by idea. My died and more from from principal and headmistress became moment died after school hours. 00:06:35 Speaker 1: I I can't even begin to imagine the kind of 00:06:39 Speaker 1: I go. I 00:06:44 Speaker 2: think that's where my schizophrenia began. All these multi hyphenate is a very polite word for multiple personality order. 00:06:54 Speaker 1: It's 00:06:55 Speaker 2: all of that. I think probably the duality of life has always been 00:06:59 Speaker 1: No, but it is very interesting the way you put it that you, 00:07:04 Speaker 1: you know, you grew up in a school and then you and home, right that that's many excited because, you know, we were reading about your the school Heritage Valley and then, like a 20 acre campus and yes, to be you started off saying that 00:07:21 Speaker 1: there was a house and then your dad, you know, began constructing this school around your house. Yes. And then obviously you guys graduated to, like a 20 acres of space. Now, if I had to put that in perspective, I went to school in Bombay and we had the biggest ground and he has so much space. So I completely connect with your with your school and 28 gotta get it. 00:07:49 Speaker 1: But today, the school that my daughter goes to is in a residential building, which is four floors of which the ground floor and the first law in It's amazing. A inflow is her school. That's it. So you step out of the building and there's a highway with a fly. Oh, and if you step out as in behind the bag, it and it is more essential building the 00:08:13 Speaker 1: and it is it's absolutely nuts that meat. But I mean people who kind of live in Mumbai. I sort of used to that with the space but coming two ways. The water, some of the challenge of running, you know, such a massive school that I mean spaces of luxury these days, 00:08:34 Speaker 2: and I also take a wild guess in and and ask if your daughter's school has a board outside Gold International school. Whatever specifics for his A. 00:08:46 Speaker 2: I have lived for many years in Bombay, and I enjoy living in the space that Hyderabad offers. Nina, you know, when I came back. 00:08:54 Speaker 2: I think the challenges of 00:08:59 Speaker 2: of living in er in in Bombay and educating kids in a school in Bombay a far greater because your child's imagination also needs physical space to breathe. A child needs to be able to run. And, you know, look at look at any of the older schools of Bombay, the colleges or the schools before the nineties, the ones that were built, you know, a century ago or even 50 years ago. 00:09:27 Speaker 2: They all had the luxury of space, and it was all up until a point. It they continued to thrive until business profits took over educational societies. And and you know, we when you talk about Heritage Valley, that's a 20 acre school that we have, which we started about 17 years ago. But the original school that's share board public school, where I grew up in hours of first cool at the start. That's about 38 years ago night, 00:09:53 Speaker 2: even now in the big venues living that independent house. We 00:09:59 Speaker 2: 84 is when the school open and 91 my father shifted the school to an open plot of 4.5 acres, out of which 1.5 acres was only a playground and assist doesn't 91 a diaper point of time out of Let's see about 500 odd admissions that we had and school students are behind school. 100 parents took their kids out because that school was 30 minutes away on 00:10:28 Speaker 1: water 00:10:28 Speaker 2: today. 00:10:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it is a highway. It's the Hyderabad Nagpur highway, and at night, point of time, it was in the middle of nowhere. 00:10:39 Speaker 2: There was nothing there, and Dad said, This is going to be an open space where kids can play. They can because they were confined in classrooms and in what was was brushed the outer of an independent house. And he wanted them to run and fly. And in that for a half acre campus, we will continue that school there 00:11:00 Speaker 2: and 00:11:01 Speaker 2: 91 2, 20 22/3 decades later. We are the only open space for a good few kilometres in that area, and we have not. So they're lot of people who come to us and say you have so much space wide o do build classrooms because then you can monetise them more. You can add more students to your campus. You can id more sections you can stuff Children in and Price and judge Bullhead and make tonnes of money. 00:11:28 Speaker 2: The what point is all of that if the kid can't even learn, you know, due to run an an an imagine and breathe under under open sky. So that's what education is. It's not in textbooks. Education is outside the classroom. Education is in the social interactions that kids can have. Education is falling on the Gonda grass on the playground and learning to get up again. 00:11:49 Speaker 2: Education is the night in the march past that you can do on the end. Newly and then academics comes in. Academics and education shouldn't be mixed together. I think that's the biggest challenge that we're facing today. We're stuffing gives in classrooms and telling them to memorise things and warm. It'd out on answer sheets and expect them to go rule the world tomorrow. 00:12:10 Speaker 1: That's so poetic or putting in there, right? I mean, because what you're describing is like an ideal scenario. And I'm just trying to think Is that why wasn't I like studying? Is Hyderabad No ideal? I study in Bombay amino knock on the schools and I went to rate. But I totally get. What you're talking about 00:12:29 Speaker 2: is not difficult, and it doesn't require a balance sheet. It requires intention. We are not a high end school. We're not school that charges a large fees were very affordable compared to. But the idea was to make good education accessible to, you know, all walks of all people, all kinds of people. That's the idea. And it's a child's right with the end of their no, no, 00:12:54 Speaker 1: definitely enemy. You know, one of the things that when other and I did 00:12:59 Speaker 1: an absurd a couple of years ago, right to his break. Coincidental, I would say, was the any P the national education, all the scenes that came out a couple of years ago and have to be honest, it sounded exactly like what you're talking about. The focus should be on actual learning. The focus should be on this grassroots, and then, like some of the things that you saw, they were like 20 year plans were like, Wow and things like that. But 00:13:29 Speaker 1: and it's two parts to this question. Really, that I wanna ask you is one is how different is implementing the NDP. What currently is being done in the schools, that your ad rate and clubbing it together and when it comes to both Heritage Valley and show it public? So how different will it be to kind of adapt what the current approaches to the NDP and second being, 00:13:58 Speaker 1: How what's the ground reality for schools read like, you know, with a lot of public policy. It's great on paper, but implementing it station it and I can like give a simple example if I give you the mic ready is the neck knowledge. He right? I think that's been one of the tough aspects for the schools, like while you want technology enabled classrooms. But 00:14:23 Speaker 1: what's the ground reality for those classrooms, Right that do they have, like running electricity and things like that have enabled that technology. And I'm talking in general, of course, But I love for you to know, to know from you the actual reality is in there 00:14:42 Speaker 2: the national education policy again. I'm not, and I am not an academic. I'm not an education ist by qualification. It is by interest and, of course, by lenient you have got You know, I come from education's families on both sides of my family, but from mile experience. The national station policy is a great idea on paper. Like you said, 00:15:05 Speaker 2: it should be implemented either this year or next year because covet delayed a lot of things. So it was proposed in 2020. It is still a work in progress, but it is a wonderful upgrade, very wonderful. Intended upgrade for government schools for ang gone bodies for preschools, for schools that are run in towns and villages and a large part of the population. I think if I'm not wrong, 60 70% of India's kids are in government schools, 00:15:36 Speaker 2: right? And we know the generic meaning that government schools know scored the term government school has amongst us urban crowd. It's almost derogatory, right? But now states are doing a lot of work to upgrade the government school facilities so that those Children as well are able to get a wholesome educational experience and not just a certificate at the end of the year and they making them ready for global competition. We're preparing kids for a future that we have no idea about, 00:16:05 Speaker 2: you know, so 20 years from now, these kids are going to grow up and get into colleges and want to get into scholarships. We see so many Children from marginalised communities now getting scholars, the ships and going abroad and you know, doing so much work there. 00:16:18 Speaker 2: So the NDP is a great step in terms of the amount of educational research that has been done in best practises from around the world, or even clubbing Western education practises with ancient Indian or Gurukul systems that we used to have because our traditional Indian systems were extremely detailed. Neff fundamentals of the world around us, whether it was chemist, 00:16:44 Speaker 2: three weather does biology, math and somewhere when the British rule came and obviously the system got replaced, and the traditional school education system that we have, you always say that, you know and Gresh challenge hold. Their syllabus was designed with a specific purpose of creating work force to service the empire because the British rule the entire planet. And 00:17:10 Speaker 2: if you studied and in a British run school in Africa or you studied in a British run school in in Asia or in South America, the education you got was uniform to create a specific cadre or a category of labour that would service the empire by way of engineers and morose craftsman or tradesman or soldiers or all of that. They were given just enough education so the queen could live in peace. 00:17:37 Speaker 2: Now that, you know they have gifted us and the and the entire world are the record number of independence days that we thank the British for, we need to go back to our roots and see what suits us. We often talk about. Okay, I'll give you an analogy. We often talk about diets about how we Google diets, and people say This is what the Americans have been researching and studying. So we should follow that 00:18:01 Speaker 2: what suits as as Indians, as locals with our local produce with local, with the genetics that we have as Indians, it applies to faction. It applies to clothing, it applies to living way of life, and it applies to education. Was education that comes from the land and benefits the length, and then how that mergers or joins Hinds with Western Bester best practises and enable skids to compete with the best of the best on the point in the world tomorrow. 00:18:30 Speaker 2: So the lot of good steps I don't wanna go into detail of the P. But there is a lot more focus on giving the child a lot more options in terms of the subjects that they can follow. They can have mixed subjects. We were all trust into science, commerce, humanities, science, commerce, arts and died goddess generic e science Current The baht intelligent of condoms Kurata, midlevel intended to fail over are now you can do arts and botany if you want to. 00:19:00 Speaker 2: You can choose to study economics and quantum physics if you want 00:19:04 Speaker 1: to, 00:19:05 Speaker 2: because, well, they're preparing kids for a future where they will. We're even. Now they are able to invent an entire career. They don't have to depend on anybody else for a job. Even today. They can start right now and create a career of their if choosing their own imagination with preparing them for jobs that don't exist today. 00:19:25 Speaker 2: And it's a great step. The jury that the challenge comes with implementation. As you said, 00:19:31 Speaker 1: you you brought up subjects you brought up the whole, you know, thanks for the history, but not too many people understand that what the Brits today and the change So many systems, including a schooling system. What is your view on 00:19:47 Speaker 1: vernacular languages in the schooling system? Right. 00:19:51 Speaker 2: My view is again, I'm not a historian, so I will not come with historical practises. But as a communicator, Assam buddy who has spent over a couple of decades and the still learning the art of public speaking, I believe that Indians have a great way of learning. Languages from around the world were far more proficient because of the roots of our languages. 00:20:16 Speaker 2: Whether it is Sanskrit or Tamil or you know the language is that we speak, they enable them the strongest muscle in our body, the tongue 00:20:25 Speaker 2: to be able to twist and turn and adapt itself to the sounds. And the wobbles in the consonance of languages from around the world were evil in, if we have our own accent, were still able to speak in many Deng's our education system. Our cultural practises make up brains sharper 00:20:44 Speaker 2: because we speak, Indians are weak. Don't stay just one language. We speak a minimum of two languages, every single Indian and the more languages you speak, the more your brain is being sharpened and more your brain is being sharpened. You can acquire more skills. You can acquire more knowledge. You can learn a lot more because your brain is a lot more adaptable that way. 00:21:04 Speaker 2: So those are things that are our strengths. And I think vernacular the turned to vernacular is a great move in order to, of course, understand our history, our culture, not just in terms of religious or, you know, sociological points, but also cultural. The foods we eat, the names we have for what we do, why we do how we live, what we wear, 00:21:27 Speaker 2: you know, nanny gauge on new Ski Daddy Magna's K humboldt It cause that covers under vernacular because our culture has been transferred word to mouth from verbally orderly over generations. 00:21:41 Speaker 2: The challenge comes in is because we're such a migrant population in the entire country is that when you make it mandatory, it's not mandatory. It is optional, but unfortunately, it there will be a shift towards mandatory because we are going on a hyper nationalistic more 00:21:58 Speaker 2: right now. So when there is last four kid whose fathers in the Army and order or the mother is an Air Force pilot or you know they are. They shift to another city and the kid has been in Kerala for all for you know, the first six years of his life and has to suddenly shift to, let's say, Assam and Assam says we are going to teach in Assamese and you have to cope up. That becomes the challenge because of the amount of migration we have just within the country. 00:22:24 Speaker 2: So those things need to be ironed out, and I think it's a work in progress. I think it's going to take a long time because we need to understand who we are as the idea of India. 00:22:34 Speaker 2: The idea of India is mixed. It is vast to the so so incredibly heterogeneous. Tw that one rule one nation, one rule doesn't 00:22:43 Speaker 1: work. Every 00:22:45 Speaker 2: single law, every single policy has to be translated and customised as spur the hundreds of thousands of languages and dialects that we have in the cultural practises that we have. So it's gonna be a work in progress. There will be some collateral damage. Is we go price. Think it's a step in the right direction 00:23:04 Speaker 1: after I can add some context of this item in one of the regrets I have, especially in work and day to day life is I was start Marathi, which is like in Bombay, primarily stove in Hindi. Right? But Marathi more because I worked in a couple of companies, were a lot of people spoke Marathi. I was started the roadway, the it I was start to memorise and all of that I wasn't taught conversational. 00:23:30 Speaker 1: So while I didn't learn and I spend but 68 years learning Maradi. But when it came to speaking, I was ensure how to speak. And again when you live in Bombay, the Marathi he will speak is very different from what he still very different in and other parts. I mean, you've lived in Bombay, it's you know what I'm talking about? So, yeah, with the language thing, I think if if the lens has used more as a communication tool and an empowerment told more than like, you know you need to get 99 100. 00:24:00 Speaker 1: But as as 00:24:01 Speaker 2: cultural awareness to language can be used as a cultural awareness tool and not a mandatory communication medium, that would bring about a lot more understanding our kids now? A Your kids now speak. 00:24:19 Speaker 1: You run the school, All of them. My orchids 00:24:23 Speaker 2: have 1500 00:24:26 Speaker 1: have 00:24:27 Speaker 2: the biggest. But you know, they they are largely whether you like it or not. Our kids are growing up in an English world. And you know why 00:24:41 Speaker 2: social media is in English. 00:24:44 Speaker 2: Mobile phones are in English by default. Unless you choose to change it to a certain language 00:24:51 Speaker 2: your channels on your television. The menu is in English. Your manuals are in insulation because of legalities. They are all those papers of 24 25 different languages. 00:25:03 Speaker 2: The instructions on your microwave are in English. 00:25:07 Speaker 1: Forget that even when you go on the highway. The instruction on the road which says yes, bus lane, more struck lane is written in English and I'm likely which poor swords coming from Bihar a up who's driving a truck or a bus would be able to read that. 00:25:24 Speaker 2: No, They know that they understand that because of symbols, they might not speak the language. They know the symbols and 00:25:29 Speaker 1: the graphical representation 00:25:32 Speaker 2: of a 00:25:33 Speaker 1: bus sounds let 00:25:34 Speaker 2: his language. It is marks on a paper that we have given meaning to 00:25:40 Speaker 1: it is 00:25:41 Speaker 2: that it is this ink marks on paper in a particular pattern, that's all it is. Nothing beyond that. Let's not give its social, religious, political implementations or it's just marks on a paper. 00:25:56 Speaker 2: So we're growing up in an official English world, 00:26:01 Speaker 2: and we're not. 00:26:02 Speaker 1: Unless unless you go to a monoculture country like Japan or China or South Korea, all instructions are in their own language. And But 00:26:12 Speaker 2: I went to Japan. I would move to Japan tomorrow if I had sustainable in 00:26:17 Speaker 1: 10 there. Whenever you go, tell me I'll come 00:26:20 Speaker 2: different vodkas will do that. It really be pops in apart because those other 00:26:28 Speaker 2: but Japan also being a non Japanese speaker. I could navigate completely because everything also has an English sign board to it when it's done in a beautiful way that you don't wanna have to ask questions because the Japanese don't want to talk to you, they, too, they do within themselves. In the Japanese people are my spirit and wear a mask. 00:26:57 Speaker 1: So 00:26:58 Speaker 2: English is the official language of the world, and that's the language kids are growing up in. But to understand where they come from and why they lived the life they do. The vernacular is slightly important, and if they choose, they could go further in understanding it. But that's a choice that should be left to them. 00:27:18 Speaker 1: We can have tackled the education, but you know another. And I always talk about ballistic learning rate. And one of the things is that while this the Khadem IX there, you also got extracurricular sports and stuff like that. 00:27:34 Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna just very Miley term another and me millennial parents like G a trick millennials. I don't know if that's a term, but one of the things I notice is that this this whole thing of getting your kids and talking like from person experienced. My son is five and some of his classmates are doing weekend classes, post school classes. 00:28:02 Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to get my son to do the basics. So what's your experience, like with just like this one aspect where you know you have the parents were focusing on me on the sports or only on the academics, and then you have parents were trying to like get their kids, blew everything. 00:28:21 Speaker 1: And as someone who's on the other end from the school. And what's your experience? Like what you've noticed among students, 00:28:31 Speaker 2: there has been definitely a shift in thinking because the batons, now a younger they are our generation and they have a wider exposure to the world. And our parents did 00:28:48 Speaker 2: so. There is differently, a shift in thinking, not necessarily a shift in the levels of patients and the amount of pressure that they put their kids through. 00:29:01 Speaker 2: We have all gone through up pressure. I mean, I didn't, but I know my friends everybody, because they were like, do anything in you like as long as it is 00:29:10 Speaker 1: engineering 00:29:12 Speaker 2: that as long as it is injuring medicines of So we went to two shins, we went to institutions. Give up that tutorial. Classes are coaching Institute. Shiro got a nineties made that was a big thing to thousands. Whatever. Then 00:29:28 Speaker 2: Ed text old solely started coming in. A lot of the online platforms began learning, and then Corbett, though it just boomed completely added, blew up 00:29:38 Speaker 2: what's happened as parents have discovered more and more avenues of putting pressure on Children apart from do shins and tutorials, 00:29:46 Speaker 2: because the generational tradition of India has been that I am a parent and I will realise my unfulfilled dream through this offspring that I have 00:29:58 Speaker 1: created 00:29:59 Speaker 2: Merah. Though this shift needs to happen, this change in thought needs to happen as much as we are open. You stop to anybody on the street right now. A millennial parent, they will tell you. Ha ha! We should let the kids breathe and we should let them play and let them be. But Garcia job school attainable. He gets lover half an hour to change and infraction up and then immediately get onto either and AP or their restitution. Or there is some 00:30:27 Speaker 2: body in the apartment complex itself. Would takes extra classes because of bad Chico Terraza or Marks Marks A J Got a college wanna Chase School May or Jake School High School. Me and Chamakh Sakata College Major college major. Got a job at Pelagia Job. Talladega. Toschi. Shoddy at Yogi. Shoddy. A geo G at sea level. Blog toe Dori Malaga 00:30:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, Abby Hora! And now it is shifted to abroad. Abroad, Jake, which is finds the all these expectations are fine, but in all of this. 00:31:01 Speaker 2: But Gica consent is also a Kenya Yusko Kya Patnaik Moscow Kismet Khushi Mill Thai Baht Opiyo Jonah 00:31:09 Speaker 2: Ask him if he wants to do an extra hour of a painting class rather than go to another physics class. 00:31:15 Speaker 2: Your kid peek 1/10 May marks are important and not see marks and on about it. Very important. But there are short term goals in there are long term goals. We are still look at the college cut offs that happening 99.7% cut off Chaoda. What is that? The Amara pressure that kids are already under? Because it's not just academic pressure, it's pressure of validation. 00:31:41 Speaker 2: Kids are a lot more under pressure at a earlier age today because they are exposed to the brain. Human pain is not hand there is designed to handle so much of an information overdose. You don't have a choice in the information that you're getting today. Everyone's living a filtered life to the kid is only seeing that everybody else is doing better than me at everything 00:32:05 Speaker 1: you don't pollute. It's amazing that you've brought up this because last night Pete and I were talking about that. It's created the rate that even a 95 is less. Question. How did you get 95 Magic? Amita 99 00:32:21 Speaker 2: has point everybody 00:32:30 Speaker 2: 95 less Q. U K Jobs. Sachin 99 Payout O Tottenham Golly date Age of 100 Marta Taba, Moscow, Nairobi We congratulate him. Why? 00:32:43 Speaker 2: Why is 100 such a thing? Wise 99. Such a thing. Why isn't rated thing that my child. Okay, this is something of that we've been battling as a school because we don't advertise key Hamad boards. May it may mark, say, attorney Maxie, you open the newspaper at results season, and you will see all those coaching Institute of Core Footing passport photos of those Children. 00:33:03 Speaker 2: Here's a thing if a child has been securing 90% throughout his schooling or her schooling, and that child reaches 95% grid. But focus on the kid who everybody gave up on who was about to fail. And yet the teachers worked hard and the school work hard and made that child grow from 45% to 65%. That is worth celebrating. 00:33:31 Speaker 2: It is the rate of progress. It is the jumped at the child's in child makes, and all of this happens when the school, the parent and the child work together in harmony. It is a tribal, a process, 00:33:45 Speaker 2: all of them because the learning of the school cannot have unlearned. Ning cannot happen at home because the school has to work doubly hard the next day. Point of what happens when a child goes to If Yushin 00:33:56 Speaker 2: There are different Children going to different Yushin teachers and the teacher in the school has to battle all of equalise, all of them every single day. Malachy Ge, Nika Mastering cardi appear Bopp's Bay Hosni dra Marnie a lock Beija Autonomous Tinker casing garni ala Hamas Stringer K Geeta, Arizona. Locked region of the sound. A general sitting again. You guys have done this again. I have to level everything. 00:34:19 Speaker 2: That's the problem. And nobody thanks the school or teacher enough forges nurturing the potential of the gaol. Usta Aptitude K A happily deco. You're expecting oranges from an apple tree here 00:34:33 Speaker 1: that that's a good one, but you're over it. Quickly touch one what you said, right, because 00:34:39 Speaker 1: I think while there is that awareness that you know there is the role of the parent in the school, right, it's not that I I would give like, say, our generation example right where we were sent to school. And the school is managing everything the parents like. Arrange your inland. It's a school for now, there is that shift towards Okay, we have to also be involved, right? And 00:35:05 Speaker 1: it's not just like you, your wife or your grandparents, the parents, but also the school together as you're getting involved. 00:35:13 Speaker 2: But there's always 00:35:14 Speaker 1: expectations. It 00:35:16 Speaker 2: Afghans 00:35:17 Speaker 1: How like attempts, looking at your experience and how do you wanna manage expectations? Economy, like always at the high, is there are going to be the lows, and the high is a new kind of values that out. 00:35:30 Speaker 2: Amy. It requires constant communication, constant counselling at requires of we don't give marks we gave 00:35:37 Speaker 1: breeds. Give 00:35:38 Speaker 2: them that your child is in between this three. Injury it now 00:35:43 Speaker 2: because that one number is not a definite assessment of your child's intelligence. It depends on so many factors. Ask a state of mind K south. Ask a state of body case at house time pay What were the questions that were prescribed if if the child had gotten five different questions from the same syllabus. Maybe the child would have done better, Given Reinjured is an estimate estimation of the child's academic ability at died. Point of time. 00:36:08 Speaker 2: So keep counselling Parent's expectations hair. But expectations come manage by Karna Barta, based on what the child child innate capability is. 00:36:20 Speaker 1: If 00:36:20 Speaker 2: the child's capability 00:36:22 Speaker 1: is 60 00:36:23 Speaker 2: percent Indian physics to say 90%. Expect math guru. Try and find out. Give a child 90% kiss mail Assad 00:36:33 Speaker 2: It's very easy to save Terri Cozma. 90. Wasn't Nair but child Okabe Observe Karki, Pachulia, Turku 90% Kiss me a sacked I we will give you tight facility will give you that exposure and that's what the child wants to. The Children need more and more support Today they are lost, their all the more lost and confused today because it is a problem of plenty. 00:36:57 Speaker 2: There are so many options. There are so much exposure, so much information. They are confused. They don't know which way to go. And then there is everybody beating down on them because annually you will have everyone declaring on Instagram keep me return marks I and then your parents. Alaya, your parents are happy about your 95 until your neighbour gets 96. 00:37:20 Speaker 2: So and I'm not saying all parents are like this, but we are a bustling, growing competitive country and a competitive world, and that competition is easiest to thrust down on Children 00:37:33 Speaker 2: because the gun fight 00:37:35 Speaker 1: back. 00:37:36 Speaker 1: But in oil inch, this whole first culture and you're absolutely right in India, obviously a gardenia. Begin again. Jonah. He had, like in signal alibi. So 00:37:55 Speaker 1: nearly craggy John I. So you see that then and there. That's why the whole cutting of the line also happened. So like, it's not. Sometimes I don't even think you just cut the line and news business, open a visit and tell you today people are raising the 00:38:10 Speaker 1: Karachi. I think that culture is happening from the streets and a poi 00:38:15 Speaker 2: have to bring in patients as a way of life. 00:38:18 Speaker 1: Very took. 00:38:20 Speaker 1: We're 00:38:20 Speaker 2: not patient anymore. We're getting more and more aggressive, you getting 00:38:25 Speaker 2: There's a grab mentality happening, and this has nothing to do with education. This has everything to do with the way of life that we have. We're on survival mode every day, no matter what class of society you come from, no matter what financial demographic you come from. We're all surviving. We talk about, I have tests. I have a problem in and and I'll tell you I used to say this. Also follow your dreams by India may want Follow your dreams right now. 00:38:53 Speaker 2: Pelly Range Big rain rain pay Karnei belly. God emit. Tell Barna grocery. Lana, you have to make sure your water and electricity is running non stock You to make sure that if you are out of a job, do you get unemployment benefit from from your government because you're paying taxes because we are a socialist country. I am not complaining. I'm just saying we are. Fundamentals have to be clear when we can say Follow your dreams. It's great for Americans to say that because of 20 for electricity 00:39:21 Speaker 1: you 00:39:21 Speaker 2: have your basics of is taken care of us. Keep up. Are you following order? Use Danja Donna. 00:39:31 Speaker 1: The 00:39:32 Speaker 2: Follow Your dreams Instagram pay 92nd Real Dal K poor You know European American influences go for loca developed Where is my dream? And like dude in pagan, 00:39:45 Speaker 2: it's just a reality cheque and give that reality cheque. Two Children give them financial literacy. Here's Here's a question. 00:39:54 Speaker 2: How many of our off of us we knew the designation that our parents held at their work? We didn't know what their work in tailed. We didn't know how much they got paid. We didn't know how they struggle to keep the family together and do vacations and gift set weddings and keeper his up. Of which relative gave how much money at our family functions of that, we would give back the 00:40:17 Speaker 2: same thing to them. We don't know how they did that in the limited salary. If today's Children were made aware at a younger age of the financial reality of a family, they would be better equipped to manage their responsibilities and their dreams and bill towards their own goals and future with a much more clarified sense of self. 00:40:39 Speaker 2: We don't have honest conversations in our homes at all. It's not an Indian way of saying, but you vote Tory bowling jam. Kitna, Pestle Are Pacheco below potash analogy because later job husky hot. My pants are operating and he will want to figure out what to spend it on. 00:40:55 Speaker 2: They will be able, and I believe that Children who come from families with extreme hardships of having to lose a parent or parents who don't have enough wages of whatever. They end up being more financially responsible for themselves and the people around 00:41:09 Speaker 1: them. And 00:41:10 Speaker 2: it is this privilege of not knowing what your parents are earning that games as very soft key. Hi, I just want to go to the U. S. B. C. 00:41:22 Speaker 2: So life skills, financial, financial literacy, communication skills, problem solving, critical thinking, you know, self assessment, 00:41:34 Speaker 2: having an attitude, to be a part of the solution and not part of the problem. These life skills are what need to be taught in school, and then academics are back east Abuja, you teach the child to look for a solution, and he will not be scared of the question that comes in the exam paper. 00:41:50 Speaker 2: It's an attitude, 00:41:52 Speaker 1: and I loved just kind of what you said rate, because the kind of resonates with exactly what another and I keep talking about anything. This multiple studies to back up what you are saying in terms of districts. People, at least from a younger age that know a financial literacy, are far more aware and will definitely as teenagers 00:42:16 Speaker 1: idea from what I remember. Well, not correct me. When we did the episode in the start of the year with Sun Era, when they did the book, it was you start as youngest seven. 00:42:28 Speaker 1: That's the ideal age that we're looking. Entry puts 00:42:32 Speaker 2: a while at the seven. Sorry, there they should be taught all of this along with social awareness, kindness, empathy, you know, patience and compassion towards one another. They are being thrust into coding and pre Iight, 00:42:50 Speaker 1: which, which is the great Segway to what I want to kind of wrap up with, right? I mean, like at this point, just to come to a kind of full circle where we talked about your journey with schools and the various things that you have done. But 00:43:05 Speaker 1: what while it may seem that, you know, we're still trying to figure out or parents schools are in different pages? One thing that I think both have in common is just trying to figure out what careers right. And I remember there was a career counsellor in our school, and it was exactly the same thing he said. Look, you do either 00:43:28 Speaker 1: our science or commerce and beyond that you didn't know right, Like we worked away. There's something as a chartered account in or I had no idea back then when I was in school that there was even a subject like I mean, there was something that you can study, marketing or advertising. It's only much later. I figured that out, right? But today's generation 00:43:49 Speaker 2: have complete 00:43:50 Speaker 1: different requirements. I mean, if you talk to a 12 or 13 year old today, they want to be a YouTuber. 00:43:57 Speaker 1: They don't want to have been study engineering in all of the so as the school, and that's where I want to kind of come to. Something is hardly managed, like career counselling with young students who want to be a new do book or a content creator, for that matter. How do you can gaol with that? 00:44:15 Speaker 2: We are, especially during the covet, you know, the pandemic. We had a lot of insight and to how 00:44:22 Speaker 2: students awareness had grown because teachers struggled to keep up with their ability to search for information on the Internet and teachers had to pave it. All of a sudden overnight, we had to prevent and, you know, get on the online, where kids had already figured out where you know, in on Must Private Jet was flying next and what's happened. That inside has given us a lot of 00:44:50 Speaker 2: information about why the choose certain dissing YouTube right now because it is the hip and happening sing because they look at 00:44:58 Speaker 2: it as the easiest thing to do. My camera on goddamn Abad Keurig America views AIG appear Amerco brand collaborations. I am Garba divided by seven. It's distilled down and it is not a bad thing at all. There are people doing it, but do you know all sides of the equation before you decide this is what you wanna do? So what we're trying to do with started introducing career counselling programmes in which we bring in subject experts from various walks of life 00:45:26 Speaker 2: who not just talk about the ways to get into that particular profession or the industry. But they also talk about the benefits and the cons and the hard work that goes into it. The dark side of it, the fact that you know you going as let's say, you're an airline pilot, for instance, 00:45:46 Speaker 1: there 00:45:46 Speaker 2: is no sleep cycle. Let you can either do. You can't save America 00:45:51 Speaker 2: and I wake up at seven. Because when you under corporate, even in the you have to be awake so it takes a toll on your body. 00:45:59 Speaker 2: You're waking up in a different place every day you're battling. You're battling a high stress scenario in the cockpit. Planes don't run on autopilot, right? Because you have G force on your body. You have exposure to the sun through the cockpit. You have to take care of yourself physically, mentally, because in the event of a smallest incident that might threaten the safety, you are a sponsor 00:46:21 Speaker 2: able for 250 for 100 souls on your aircraft. So to have the mental fortitude to deal with that, So it's not just my pilot, Banega and I will have a high salary. It is understanding what the dark side of the profession also is. And do you have the emotional and the physical capability of building with the hardship that goes into it. 00:46:43 Speaker 2: So as a YouTube as a youth beauty over the amount of mental health implications that being a content creator has on you? The stress that a person goes through key? I have to look at life as content, content, content, content, content have to record everything, ended everything and then dealing with the fact that many Tanaka ontology video Bana Alec in like snare. 00:47:04 Speaker 1: Now what do I have? 00:47:05 Speaker 2: Is my life worth 00:47:06 Speaker 1: it? Do 00:47:07 Speaker 2: I have any sense of self at all? My good, my good at what I do. 00:47:11 Speaker 2: How do you deal with the hardships and the benefits of emotional intelligence? All of that. So we're starting career counselling sessions with this idea and also technology 00:47:22 Speaker 2: because technology is not going to replace workers as novel, said novel Ravi Kant said this, He said technology does not replace workers. Workers who used technology replace workers who don't 00:47:35 Speaker 2: brightness. So let's not just blame it on technology. Are you intelligent enough to handle technology? Just using social media doesn't mean you're good at tech, so we're trying to create avenues for them to bring in tackling a simple thing like er, class eight or an Indian kid is talking about how are newsletters digital? So you know, when we have multimedia coming into news 00:47:59 Speaker 2: at a very small scale, they're trying to figure how best to present the content. The taipan to present. So they're creating news bulletins. They creating the shooting stuff. They putting men they did spoke about putting names on the newsletter which delayed to the school so way leading them speak rather than telling them We open the newsletter committee meeting and we say, What do you want to do when they come up with ideas? 00:48:25 Speaker 2: And you try Because school is the time when you can experiment, you can fail. You can trial error. We can do all of that. You can do that later. 00:48:35 Speaker 2: So we tell them to experiment all they can go for it as much as our infrastructure allows. As you know, in in the limitations also that we have. We're not an international school, but whatever we can offer, we're doing so that you go and explore. 00:48:51 Speaker 1: Let 00:48:51 Speaker 2: Luis don't be afraid of falling down. 00:48:55 Speaker 2: What's the worst that will happen? This thing doesn't work for you. Try something years It's 00:48:58 Speaker 1: okay. But 00:48:59 Speaker 2: at attitude is important more than what they are doing. It is how they are looking at it now. You wanna Watney Chel next day This will when they're 30 when they're 40 and in the job they're going through high stress scenarios. 00:49:14 Speaker 1: They 00:49:14 Speaker 2: will know how to deal with setbacks or or things not working out. 00:49:19 Speaker 2: So yes, Aridjis am, you know, thinking aloud, rambling on do you buy? This is what's happening right now with slowly. Schools of just re opened after the dynamics were trying to implement a Lora these, but keep the fundamentals life experiential, learning more door skills, social development, emotional development, finding joy in things that you do and finding things that bring you joy, the two very different things. So all of these fundamentals as longest day, a strong 00:49:48 Speaker 2: everything else is just an application was at the end of the day, it is your innate humanity and your emotional buildup that will take you through life, not just your marks or homely formula equation. You know, 00:50:01 Speaker 2: Thanks for training. 00:50:05 Speaker 1: The just an entire section will put up in its next next thing an urge goals vital for 00:50:18 Speaker 1: I. I think that there is so many things that you mention that can easily go up as the 32nd 60 least. 00:50:28 Speaker 2: Take me. Just lead kids. Talk led them, express led them. Question 00:50:35 Speaker 1: you 00:50:36 Speaker 2: and and you'll see one does they just need to be heard. Kid wants kids want to be heard. They want to be understood and they're not being understood today. All the more 00:50:47 Speaker 1: that is such an important note to end on, because I think all of us as kids, we were told not to question things, and this generation of parents have sort of changed that in there. Lady Harris, ending that ask, ask, catch a ball. But as cats, it really be can 00:51:05 Speaker 2: I? Also, anyone post notify made my died always tells this everybody who wants a great teacher for their child 00:51:14 Speaker 2: Nobody tells their child to grow up and become a teacher. And that's the biggest problem that we face. 00:51:20 Speaker 1: We 00:51:20 Speaker 2: don't delegates to become teachers 00:51:23 Speaker 2: because we don't. They are teachers enough, 00:51:27 Speaker 1: not another. And I know the pain. We 00:51:31 Speaker 2: need kids to want to become teachers full time, part time resin matter. But we need gets to grow up and one do pass it on. So it's another thing 00:51:40 Speaker 1: that we're trying 00:51:41 Speaker 2: to create 00:51:45 Speaker 1: 01 on. One other thing about getting broadcasters on the vodka's is that we can do multiple episodes, and I definitely enjoyed the SAT and I'm sure all our listeners did. 00:51:59 Speaker 1: Thanks so much of being. It's refreshing in just to kind of reinforces can award another in I came talking about on the broadcast. I mean have to be honest, right after finance Education is a second favourite topic. I think it's almost at the same ammonia, and so we're always looking at pegs to kind of talk about education. And we keep meeting people like you can really deep dive and give us a panna cotta understanding. So thank 00:52:27 Speaker 2: you, thank you. I 00:52:29 Speaker 2: one class and never imagined I would be featuring Happy Happy to be in the haze. 00:52:37 Speaker 1: In fact, it's one of those rare movements where we've actually got a non parent to Tom a moat, schooling education and and getting into the parenting stuff, which is which is fantastic because you come with a whole different set off perspective. So we of so glad to listen to the 00:52:55 Speaker 2: I'm a parental child inside me, 00:53:00 Speaker 1: So fall of you who are still tuned into the vodka's, you know, how does each if you reach this part of the polka, as always, you can cheque us out, pops in apart, Just search anywhere on social media, and I think in the top 10 searches are three finalist cities. Or you can just email us on pops in a port, at lot calm and dude 00:53:22 Speaker 1: cheque out schools that annouced runs one is share road and the other one is held to take us. 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