"Right Here Right Now" by Jesus Jones (f/Mike Doyle)

[00:00:00] This episode of One Hit Thunder is brought to you by DistroKid.

[00:00:15] If you were putting together an infomercial for a compilation of 90s hits,

[00:00:19] it's almost certain that a clip of Jesus Jones right here right now would snag a good 8-second chunk of it.

[00:00:25] This incredibly optimistic alternative rock anthem captured the essence of revolutionary change in Europe and beyond,

[00:00:31] just a few months before the rise of grunge music made apathy seem decidedly cooler.

[00:00:36] Joining us this week is Mike Doyle, bassist for Lane Myer and host of the podcast

[00:00:41] This Was The Scene, and together we dive into the enduring impact of this widely acclaimed hit.

[00:01:03] One Hit is all you need to make the money guaranteed

[00:01:09] And you can live off royalties forever

[00:01:14] And it makes me wonder, is it just a wonder? Or is it One Hit Thunder?

[00:01:24] So what was happening in the summer of 1991? Well, the Gulf War had just recently ended,

[00:01:31] the World Wide Web was introduced to the public, we got the first images from the Hubble Space

[00:01:38] Telescope that summer, which if you haven't like looked at these Hubble Space Telescope

[00:01:44] photos before, they are crazy. Google those right now while you're listening to this episode,

[00:01:48] they're amazing. The Silence of the Lambs was still dominating at the box office and of course,

[00:01:56] Jesus Jones, right here, right now was a hit song. It was a number two song. So Mike,

[00:02:03] welcome to the show. We are here to talk about Jesus Jones right here right now.

[00:02:07] And the first thing I want to ask you is, is this band cool? Do you think this band is cool?

[00:02:13] I thought they were cool when I was... What year is this? 91?

[00:02:17] 91. I was 12.

[00:02:19] Yeah, I thought these guys were fucking super cool. Their outfits were great.

[00:02:22] This episode, I think Chris is going to have a lot in common with another episode we recorded.

[00:02:26] Oh, I know which one.

[00:02:28] Which was of course the EMF Unbelievable episode because these bands kind of came up in the exact

[00:02:33] same music scene. We're doing this same like indie rock band that also is electronic,

[00:02:39] like house party music vibe. So we're going to be talking about a lot of... There's going to

[00:02:45] be a lot of crossover there. In fact, Chris, the week before this was the number two song in America,

[00:02:52] Unbelievable was the number one song in America.

[00:02:55] Yeah, they were both in the top five at that time. And Matt, they are touring together, like

[00:03:01] coming up.

[00:03:02] Like right now?

[00:03:02] Yeah, like in the next few months from when we're recording this. EMF and Jesus Jones are

[00:03:07] touring together. So yeah, they definitely know that. But the reason I started this by asking Mike,

[00:03:13] is this band cool? Is because there is a real optimism, especially in this song and this band's

[00:03:24] whole thing. It's a very optimistic look at the world and a lot of positivity that got wiped out.

[00:03:31] This band is a casualty of the grunge movement of when grunge got big, they wiped a band like

[00:03:39] this out. And I don't know what's cooler. Is it cooler? This song is very much inspired by...

[00:03:46] It was like, what the Berlin Wall coming down, things happening in Europe. And then

[00:03:51] as this song became popular, it was around the time of the fall of the Soviet Union and

[00:03:58] things like that. Is it cool to be optimistic and writing about the world and what's going on

[00:04:08] and having that outlook? Or is it cooler to be writing very inward and the grunge bands,

[00:04:16] be it abstract or being more about yourself? I don't know what I think is cooler. Not that

[00:04:25] I don't even know how to define cool. But when you look at these guys in some wild outfits,

[00:04:30] dancing around, playing this uplifting music, is that cooler than...

[00:04:36] Kurt Cobain doing his thing or whatever.

[00:04:40] I think they can both be cool simultaneously. Chris, this might sway you slightly. I'm not

[00:04:44] sure if you stumbled upon this factoid, but the National Review in 2006 rated this the 14th

[00:04:52] greatest conservative rock song of all time. And their reasoning was because it's about the end of

[00:04:58] communism. I don't. I think Jesus Jones would not. From what I know about them, I don't think

[00:05:04] they would be too thrilled about that. But yes, this band, I think this song is like peak 90s.

[00:05:14] I think if you saw a commercial on TV for a 90s compilation, this would be one of the 10 songs

[00:05:21] they'd play in the commercials. Oh, I've seen many a commercial for 90s compilations where

[00:05:25] this song isn't in the contention of the sounds of the 90s, even during the 90s. In the late 90s,

[00:05:33] when they were selling those comps, this was a big one in there.

[00:06:00] But the question obviously comes down to Mike, why this song? We sent you the infamous list

[00:06:07] of songs we haven't covered. And it wasn't like sometimes people will send us like five or six

[00:06:12] options. You just wrote Jesus Jones. He said one, so I figured I'd just send him one back.

[00:06:17] It's going to be like, all right, why this? Because this one stuck out to me because

[00:06:22] this is like, right as I'm starting to get into music. And which did this come out before? This

[00:06:28] came out before Teen Spirit, right? Because that was 90s? This would have been just before though,

[00:06:34] because Nevermind would have been released this summer. So it would have been right off the...

[00:06:41] I think that's why Chris is pretty accurate in the sense of like,

[00:06:44] Nirvana was just trucking right behind these guys.

[00:06:46] Yeah, because Nirvana came out... I thought they came out more like the fall or the winter of...

[00:06:55] They came out in the fall to winter when Nevermind came out. Because I saw that. I remember the first

[00:06:59] time I saw a video, it was at my dad's and it was New Year's Eve and I was in LA. And my sister put

[00:07:04] it on. I know we're talking about Jesus Jones, but I'm talking about this right now.

[00:07:07] No, no, we can talk about this. This is important.

[00:07:08] So that's why I remember that because that first time I saw the video, I think it was...

[00:07:11] I thought it was 10, but I guess it was like 12 or something. The reason I like this song is...

[00:07:18] So in summer vacation when I come around, I was in high school, I didn't really have a ton of

[00:07:23] friends. So I'd always just be watching TV all day long. So summertime was just me downstairs

[00:07:29] watching MTV and HBO and whatever the fuck was on. And this video came on. So I'm starting to get

[00:07:35] into music. And at this time, I'm getting presence of cassette tapes. I got Tone Loak.

[00:07:40] And I think my sister was collecting tapes. She had Motley Crue. So I'm looking at album artwork

[00:07:45] and like, oh, this looks really cool. And then when I'd play it, I was like, this is fucking stupid.

[00:07:50] And then when this song came out, I just remember I was looking for something and there was something

[00:07:56] about the video and how these guys were dancing around. I thought they were just so cool.

[00:08:02] And if you ask my sister too, that's one of the reasons I picked this because my sister,

[00:08:06] she remembers that I played this song over and over and over again. I used to just...

[00:08:10] Every time I was on, I would just always play it. I think I even got a record from the radio

[00:08:16] or something. And she was like, you always listen to this song. And I just loved it. It was that

[00:08:20] close to think the same time. Didn't Wind of Change come out around the same time?

[00:08:24] Yeah, this would have been right around the Scorpions maybe like a year earlier had Wind

[00:08:29] of Change. I think that was like late 90s. So I think that's why they were doing the

[00:08:31] whole Berlin Wall thing. But I mean, it was relevant. They're coming out of communism.

[00:08:35] Is Jesus Jones even from Germany? They're from the UK, but I don't think

[00:08:40] they were from Germany. I think they're British. I thought they were from Germany for some reason.

[00:08:44] And so I thought it was more relevant. That's why they were singing about. But I guess that was just

[00:08:48] one part of the song was the Berlin Wall. They're from England, but they said that

[00:08:52] the song was inspired by the revolutions of 1989 in Europe, particularly perestroika in the Soviet

[00:08:59] Union. And Mike Edwards, who is the singer of the band, that guy, I just picture that guy as

[00:09:05] the band. I think that guy's face popped up in those 90s compilation things.

[00:09:12] That guy looks like every lead singer of every early 2000s fucking band that came out in the

[00:09:18] Yeah, it's like, I know what you're talking about, Chris.

[00:09:23] It was like every video, every video that you would see in those compilations. It was like a

[00:09:27] close up saturated photo of him, like holding the mic both hands. Yeah, like singing the right here

[00:09:33] right now part. And then we cut to like the next song. Mike Edwards looks like a exact cross of

[00:09:40] Gavin Rosdell and Mike Patton. Those two guys together.

[00:09:44] I'm looking at this picture right now and that like literally nails it on the head.

[00:09:48] Yeah, Mike, you might not know this. Chris is overly too well aware of this. I am a physical

[00:09:54] media nerd. I love going to like used CD stores and grabbing up like dollar CDs still in 2024.

[00:10:00] And up until this episode, I would say that Jesus Jones Doubt is one of those albums that you find

[00:10:08] like 50 copies of in a used CD store, which led me to believe that this band was like a one trick

[00:10:15] pony and they really didn't have anything else worth listening to. And I want to say now early

[00:10:20] on in the episode, I had a blast digging into the rest of this band's catalog. I don't think

[00:10:25] they have any songs that I would say are better than right here right now. But I was like into

[00:10:31] everything they did from their early stuff to their later stuff. I'm a Jesus Jones head,

[00:10:36] I think that's what's happening here. Hey, you're bringing them back. Do you like info

[00:10:40] Frico, Matt? I really liked info Frico. That was one where I was like, I have to check out this

[00:10:45] song. This was their debut single. It kind of got all this critical acclaim in the late 80s on

[00:10:50] their first album Liquidizer. And I was like, this song rules. Well, this song is awesome.

[00:10:57] In the UK. And it was a minor hit. But what I thought was insane about this band,

[00:11:03] I don't know if you guys saw this. They were playing in like some cover bands and stuff. And

[00:11:08] they decided to start this band, Mike Edwards and his boys started this band started in 1988.

[00:11:15] Within two months of starting the band, they had record label interest. Two months after that,

[00:11:21] they got their deal. And then two months after that, that single info Frico was already like

[00:11:28] almost cracking the top 40 in the UK. That is lightning fast. That is such a whirlwind for

[00:11:39] anybody. I don't know. I can't help but think though, because you guys all have...

[00:11:46] I mean, both of you are the musicians on this podcast. I'm just the music fan.

[00:11:51] But reading the Nothing But A Good Time book, it talks about how Motley Crue started to blow up

[00:11:57] and then every record label exec was just walking up and down the LA club circuit,

[00:12:04] just trying to find another band to sign to be their Motley Crue. So I'm wondering if...

[00:12:12] Because I'm sure EMF was in that same category that there was something happening. And it was

[00:12:17] like, there's this movement happening in this area of the UK and just record company scouts

[00:12:23] were out there and it was just right time, right sound, like stars aligning perfectly for these

[00:12:29] guys. Yes. That's right. That's what the song is about. It's how they got signed.

[00:12:35] They definitely had a sound that was of the moment. They were a mix of art rock and they

[00:12:43] were using samples and they were influenced by rap music and yet they had guitars. They were

[00:12:50] a real amalgamation. I think that them and EMF really did stand out as doing something way

[00:12:59] different than everyone else. What I thought was really crazy is that Mike Edwards cites their

[00:13:05] biggest influence, not that they sound anything like them because he noted that after they came

[00:13:11] out, there were a lot of bands that were trying to sound exactly like Jesus Jones, which I found

[00:13:16] surprising. But I guess if you have a huge song, you're going to have that. But he said that he

[00:13:21] didn't like that there were these carbon copies of their band because the band for them that was

[00:13:26] that was Public Enemy. And minus a little bit of sampling in their music, you would never know.

[00:13:33] They compared themselves to Public Enemy?

[00:13:35] Well, he said that was a big inspiration to start their band.

[00:13:40] I can hear a lot of Chuck D in this guy's voice.

[00:13:43] Yeah, unless he's just talking about like the social consciousness and what they were writing

[00:13:47] about, too. I could see that maybe because Chuck D and Public Enemy is kind of, I guess, at that

[00:13:54] point in time, your best reference point for like a politically motivated hip hop inspired group

[00:14:00] because it would be another couple of years for Rage Against the Machines to show up. But like,

[00:14:04] I would never say, oh, you really like Public Enemy? Have you checked out Jesus Jones just yet

[00:14:09] and like slide them a copy of Doubt?

[00:14:12] But that's the point. That's the point. He was saying that he was influenced by that,

[00:14:17] but they sound nothing like that. And I think it's a combination of like

[00:14:20] the little elements of hip hop in their music. Plus, yeah, maybe a little bit of the social

[00:14:26] consciousness, which it seems to be. And we'll get to this later that Mike Edwards thought was

[00:14:31] really cool. And then that being, you know, socially conscious and caring about the world

[00:14:37] and stuff that all of a sudden when grunge came in, for the most part, I mean, there are exceptions.

[00:14:44] Eddie Vedder seemed to care about the world and stuff. But for the most part, that became really

[00:14:48] not cool. It became way cooler to not care in the apathetic attitude of, you know, go watch Reality

[00:14:56] Bites. Who's supposed to be the good guy in Reality Bites? That attitude became what was

[00:15:01] cool and caring about things not so much. Yeah, it's almost like I think I started to

[00:15:08] realize that it was like the grunge aesthetic, with the exception of Eddie Vedder, was like an

[00:15:13] awareness of things were bad, like awareness of like there's a lot of bigots out there.

[00:15:18] There's a lot of racism. There's a lot of this, that and the other thing.

[00:15:21] But like grunge took the attitude of like, and there's nothing we can do to fix it. So just

[00:15:25] fuck it all. Yeah. And now it's kind of shifted to be like, no, like we could actually fix this.

[00:15:31] We can put our minds together and do something about this.

[00:15:34] Actually, and I shouldn't throw the actual artists under the bus of not caring. Go watch interviews

[00:15:39] with Kurt Cobain. Like he obviously cared about, you know, a lot of things. I'm just talking about

[00:15:44] like in the music itself, in the well, in the music itself and even in the fandom itself.

[00:15:49] I think the fandom at the time was definitely misreading, misreading the level of activism that

[00:15:56] the artists wanted their listeners to actually have. Sure. About what they were talking about.

[00:16:01] Because like people weren't really used to that at that point because the 80s was just

[00:16:04] kicking the face with just, you know, tits and ass. Girls, drugs and cars.

[00:16:09] Yeah, basically. So they come out of that and they're like, oh, this is a kid who's going to

[00:16:13] go to school and shoot himself in the head. Like that's what? What's going on with that?

[00:16:17] Yeah. Yeah. Something that's worth calling out here too. In 1991,

[00:16:22] Jesus Jones was at the VMAs and they won best new artist. They're the first UK band to ever

[00:16:29] win best new artists at the MTV VMAs, which is mildly less impressive when you realize

[00:16:34] that there was only maybe six years of VMAs up until this point, but they beat out.

[00:16:39] Wait, see if you can see if Mike, I have the list too.

[00:16:44] 1991 best new artist. Can you... MTV.

[00:16:48] Can you name one artist or band that Jesus Jones would have beat?

[00:16:53] I'll give you a minor hint. I would say only one of these artists couldn't be covered on this

[00:16:59] podcast. Oh man.

[00:17:01] Wait, why can't you be covered? Why wouldn't you be able to be covered on this podcast?

[00:17:04] Because they have more than one hit.

[00:17:08] Man, Jesus. Man, I don't want to...

[00:17:13] Really putting you on the spot.

[00:17:14] I know. EMF obviously has to be on there.

[00:17:21] Surprisingly.

[00:17:22] So we had CNC Music Factory.

[00:17:24] Oh, that crap was on there. Okay.

[00:17:26] D-Lite.

[00:17:27] D-Lite.

[00:17:29] Gerardo.

[00:17:29] We did a Gerardo episode.

[00:17:31] Was Jordy on there?

[00:17:33] And no, and Seal.

[00:17:34] You like Jordy?

[00:17:35] Seal was the good one.

[00:17:36] Tata baby.

[00:17:39] I just listened to a podcast and they said that was the guy who wrote the song that was his son

[00:17:44] and he just did like just that phrase and they put him on the song or something like that.

[00:17:49] That was the youngest person ever. I forget.

[00:17:52] Yeah.

[00:17:52] That wasn't a number one hit, but he was four years old when that song...

[00:17:55] How did we not do a Jordy episode yet, Matt?

[00:17:58] Yeah, man.

[00:17:58] Maybe he had a second hit.

[00:18:00] No, Jordy didn't know it was on the second hit.

[00:18:02] He was like 35. He came back around.

[00:18:04] It's like when Milli Vanilli actually went ahead and sang.

[00:18:08] Side note, just because you mentioned them and I've been obsessed with it,

[00:18:11] there is a great new podcast out right now called Blame It On The Fame.

[00:18:17] That's a six-part docuseries about the Milli Vanilli story.

[00:18:20] I'm following that right now.

[00:18:24] Did you finish the list though of who was the other nominees?

[00:18:28] Yeah. The only one who had more than a hit after this was Seal.

[00:18:32] Yeah.

[00:18:33] This was actually early for Seal.

[00:18:34] I love that song.

[00:18:35] This would have been right when Crazy came out.

[00:18:36] Yeah, that song should have won. That song still kicks ass. I love that song.

[00:18:40] That is a good-ass song. And Seal, they kind of got it wrong. Jesus Jones...

[00:18:46] Your boy did that.

[00:18:47] I mean, Seal was still... I don't know if Seal is relevant the word,

[00:18:52] but his songs still kind of live on.

[00:18:54] No, I think he's still going on. He had a bunch of hits.

[00:18:59] He at least had another single years later, right? Because Kiss From A Rose,

[00:19:03] I think was even bigger than Crazy.

[00:19:05] Of course. He had a couple.

[00:19:06] And then he married Heidi Klum.

[00:19:07] Don't cry.

[00:19:08] Had a bunch of hits with her.

[00:19:10] Yeah.

[00:19:12] I'm just following it.

[00:19:13] But back to right here, right now. So the lyrics of this song were partially inspired

[00:19:19] by the 1987 Prince song, Sign of the Times, which I will say as a Prince fan,

[00:19:25] it's not a very good Prince song. I'm surprised that they were influenced by that song.

[00:19:31] They were also influenced by the 1989 cover of the song by Simple Minds,

[00:19:36] which I went and listened to that. And I'm like,

[00:19:40] they just did it how Prince did it. It's still not that good of a song.

[00:19:43] I guess maybe the message behind the song is better than the song or something.

[00:19:49] Well, you gotta think about how many references they didn't have then.

[00:19:52] And now there's so many you can pull from. They probably had just a short ass list.

[00:19:58] I also think it's interesting that they worked in the phrase Sign of the Times

[00:20:02] in this song, almost like as a slight homage to the fact that it's inspired by that song.

[00:20:07] In the second verse, he says,

[00:20:08] I saw a decade end and when it seemed the world could change,

[00:20:11] at the blink of an eye, if anything, then there's your sign of the time.

[00:20:15] And he goes to falsetto when he goes to the word sign. So he really wants to stress it.

[00:20:21] I did see interview stuff with Mike Edwards. And that's a good point that you had, Mike,

[00:20:26] that now, of course, we have access to every song ever written in our pockets at all times.

[00:20:32] But he talked about being a kid and he would have to travel an hour to a record store

[00:20:38] to buy one record on a bus or something, find the record,

[00:20:42] and then go home and listen to that record. So yeah, maybe Sign of the Times was a really great

[00:20:49] song if you didn't have access to all the music in the world at all times.

[00:20:55] Well, even the original demo of the song when he was making the demos for this album,

[00:20:59] featured a sample of the song Sign of the Times by Prince.

[00:21:03] Yep.

[00:21:03] And he sampled guitar solos from Jimi Hendrix. And I think the producer very smartly was like,

[00:21:08] we should probably remove those because it's going to cost a lot of money.

[00:21:11] Well, yeah. I wonder if this was before or after one of the things we've learned through...

[00:21:17] Well, I don't know if it was this podcast or DMAICS. Maybe it was DMAICS. But we learned that...

[00:21:21] Mike, do you know who the person was? It was going to happen one way or another.

[00:21:25] But do you know when the sampling thing, when all the walls came crashing down,

[00:21:30] you can't do that anymore without paying the artist? You know who they busted?

[00:21:35] No. I have no idea.

[00:21:37] I think I remember.

[00:21:38] Wait, give me a hint.

[00:21:39] Was it Biz... It was definitely a rapper from the late 80s.

[00:21:42] Yes.

[00:21:43] You want to say Biz Markie?

[00:21:45] Yes.

[00:21:46] I cheated because you said Biz and I was like, it's Biz Markie.

[00:21:49] Yeah, it was Biz. But it wasn't You Got What I Need, but it was his next single after that or

[00:21:54] something.

[00:21:55] I think he sampled... No, not Pretty Woman, but just around the exact same time that 2Live

[00:22:00] Crew did their Pretty Woman song. And Roy Orbison got upset about that.

[00:22:05] I wonder why.

[00:22:08] The record label didn't let the samples fly. I think this must have been post

[00:22:12] the Biz Markie. It's around the same era, but this seems like slightly later than that.

[00:22:17] So I saw a lot of stuff with Mike Edwards. He did talk about how

[00:22:22] people like to sample music a lot in their songs, but they would sample like the main

[00:22:26] hook of a song. But what he liked to do was sample either A, something really obscure,

[00:22:31] or B, take that sample, drop the vocal three octaves, play it backwards or whatever.

[00:22:38] And it helped create a lot of the unique sounds that you didn't hear in other things,

[00:22:45] which I think EMF did that too. I think that really added to their uniqueness.

[00:22:51] Unbelievables literally built around an Andrew Dice Clay sample.

[00:22:56] So I did just look it up. It was 1991 when Biz Markie was literally in the middle of

[00:23:00] the lawsuit and it was for Gilbert O'Sullivan's Alone Again Naturally, was what he had sampled.

[00:23:06] That's right.

[00:23:07] Yeah, good call.

[00:23:08] Do you guys just sit around and is this like you do in your spare time? You just

[00:23:11] research this stuff for fun and that's why this game is out?

[00:23:13] Oh boy, is it.

[00:23:17] We're over 200 episodes of a podcast about one hit wonders. I know way too much. Mike,

[00:23:24] you would not believe how annoying I am at the bar if they're playing like 80s and 90s music.

[00:23:31] Sometimes I just got to stop myself from sharing 10 facts about every song.

[00:23:36] I'm so glad to know that that's not just me because I'll be out and about with my girlfriend

[00:23:41] and a song will come on and I'll just be like, you want to know a fun fact about this song?

[00:23:45] And she's like shut the fuck up.

[00:23:47] Her answer is roughly along the lines of no, but you're going to tell me anyway.

[00:23:51] And then I can just share my fun fact about that song.

[00:23:55] I think that's a great way. That's a good way to pick up girls at the bar and be like,

[00:24:00] oh, by the way, do you know this fun fact about Jesus Jones that's playing right now?

[00:24:06] Knock them dead.

[00:24:08] Well, do we want to talk about why Jesus Jones beyond the fact that grunge kind of rocked them?

[00:24:13] They also totally changed their sound for their next album and went very industrial.

[00:24:18] They did the follow up record.

[00:24:20] But I do want to note Matt that the other two singles from the doubt album,

[00:24:25] real, real, real and international bright young thing were actually bigger than right here,

[00:24:31] right now in the UK, not in the United States.

[00:24:34] They weren't hits at all here, but in the UK,

[00:24:37] right here, right now was their third biggest song from the album.

[00:24:41] I loved real, real, real. I forgot about that song. That song is great.

[00:24:46] I think real, real, real actually did somewhat okay in the US.

[00:24:51] But I also think that it was one of those circumstances where

[00:24:55] yeah, because it reached number four on the Billboard Hot 100.

[00:24:58] But it hit number four on the Hot 100 in August of 1999.

[00:25:03] And this peaked in July of 1999.

[00:25:05] So I think we're going to consider that like a tidal wave effect like we did with Cisco as well.

[00:25:10] Okay, yeah, right.

[00:25:11] Sometimes the band is like just riding so high, whatever their next single was going to be was

[00:25:16] just going to also just follow that trajectory.

[00:25:18] Yeah.

[00:25:18] I also got to encourage listeners, go check out the music video for international bright young

[00:25:24] thing. It is a green screen video and it is like Tim and Eric, a decade plus before Tim and Eric,

[00:25:31] but very sincere. They're not joking around. It is terrible, but it's also kind of entertaining.

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[00:29:18] One more thing before you talk about that next album, Matt. Bill Clinton used Right Here Right

[00:29:22] Now as his campaign song in 1992 before he switched it to... Do you know what he switched it to?

[00:29:29] Fleetwood Mac.

[00:29:31] You got it!

[00:29:33] Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow.

[00:29:35] You got it. Good job, man.

[00:29:36] Because they played that at the inauguration. Or they played... Yeah, at the inauguration.

[00:29:41] Yeah.

[00:29:42] Well, Right Here Right Now also had a couple second lives. It was the advertising jingle

[00:29:47] for Kmart. It was used for CBS News, and it was also used for promotional advertisements for tech

[00:29:55] TV, which doesn't exist anymore. The Ford Motor Company used it in a 2010 advertising campaign.

[00:30:01] And then a New Zealand band called The Feelers covered it, and their cover was chosen for the

[00:30:06] 2011 Rugby World Cup advertisements. So Jesus Jones made, I think, more money in the 2000s

[00:30:14] with the advertising benefits of this song than actually in the 90s when it was at its peak.

[00:30:21] Yeah. Another story related to that, that I saw Mike Edwards talk about in an interview was

[00:30:27] he's like, okay, a decade plus after the song is a hit in the 2000s, they were getting flown

[00:30:34] to play corporate events in the United States. It was barely any expense to the band.

[00:30:41] They would go to this corporate event, play just that song at the event, and then fly back to the

[00:30:48] UK and get paid a ton of money just to play the one song. Corporations have so much money to blow.

[00:30:57] If you haven't seen it, there's a documentary. I think it's still on Max, but they may have pulled

[00:31:01] it by now because it was years ago. I saw it called Bathtubs Over Broadway. Are you familiar

[00:31:06] with this documentary at all? No. It's about how in the 70s and 80s, for the end of the year events

[00:31:13] for these giant corporations, they would pay for an entire Broadway show to be written,

[00:31:19] choreographed, and performed one night only for the investors. Then they would give them these

[00:31:24] records of the songs as a parting gift. It's about this guy who used to do the weird records for

[00:31:31] David Letterman's show, became obsessed with them and collected every one of these not-for-sale,

[00:31:39] rare Broadway show vinyls. It's hard to top The Bathrooms Are Coming. What a great thing.

[00:31:48] I thought he'd made it up. I thought he made it up too. It was this thing in our family.

[00:31:52] I was working at the Letterman Show as a comedy writer. I started finding these mysterious

[00:31:58] corporate records, musicals but about tractors or silicone products. I didn't know anything

[00:32:04] about musical theater, but I was pretty sure it wasn't supposed to be this.

[00:32:08] My bathroom is a private kind of place.

[00:32:16] A good dishwasher and a good stove.

[00:32:18] Everybody was doing these things, giant companies, tiny companies.

[00:32:22] If the patient gets bloody.

[00:32:24] Found some sort of treasure trove that we weren't supposed to know about at all.

[00:32:28] I need to up my game with what I'm charging corporations. I always feel like,

[00:32:39] I feel bad. I'm like, these motherfuckers are making millions a year.

[00:32:44] It's insane. I know a story. There's a guy from around where I'm from. His name's Joe Hardy. He

[00:32:49] owns 84 Lumber, if you guys know what 84 Lumber is. He's a billionaire. He died a couple years

[00:32:55] ago. He's like 101 years old or something. My buddy, Eric Hora, he's a lighting guy.

[00:33:00] He does tons of big commercials and shows and movies and stuff. He did lighting on that show,

[00:33:06] The Jinx on HBO. Just want to shout him out. Great show. Great show.

[00:33:11] But he talked about how he did lighting. It was, I think, the dude's granddaughter or something.

[00:33:20] And they flew Lady Gaga in to perform a concert just for them. And I think it was like,

[00:33:27] half a million dollars, maybe more than that, just to have her fly in there,

[00:33:31] perform at the birthday party and then take off. So rich people, man, it's fricking wild.

[00:33:38] Doing everything wrong.

[00:33:40] Yeah. I don't have Lady Gaga at my birthday party. I went to Toad's for my birthday.

[00:33:46] You don't even need to know what that is.

[00:33:48] What the hell is that?

[00:33:49] It's just...

[00:33:50] I'm assuming a bar.

[00:33:51] Yes, yes. Toad's. I went to Toad's.

[00:33:53] Like you said, like we've talked about, the grunge thing came in and kind of wiped out

[00:33:59] this style of music, this optimistic style. Mike Edwards said about it, which he's always been

[00:34:05] pretty, you know, just like the music is pretty optimistic and stuff. But he did get a... I felt

[00:34:11] like he got a little bit sour in this quote when he said, rock music in the past reflected the

[00:34:16] society we lived in. It stopped doing that now. For me, that's why rock is dwindling artistically

[00:34:22] and commercially. This slacker mentality is the way people want to be. I find it really depressing

[00:34:28] that this apathetic, miserable-ism is all we can expect from the new generation.

[00:34:34] That felt a little much to me. I mean...

[00:34:37] When was this? When did he say this?

[00:34:39] In the mid 90s. This is by like 95, 96.

[00:34:41] I thought it was like, yeah, he's way off.

[00:34:44] No, no, no. It just felt a little bitter, you know, for being... The fact that you started

[00:34:52] your band and within six months, you were already on the charts and you had your moment. I mean,

[00:34:58] there's bands that, you know, I won't name any, but there's bands who've been around for 30 years

[00:35:03] that can't, you know, would love to have that moment, but to be bitter about it. I mean,

[00:35:08] the dude was probably still in his 20s at this point. And it seems, you know, there's a reason

[00:35:14] I was... All of us in here were, to a certain extent, listening to that music that he's calling

[00:35:21] apathetic, miserable-ism because you could relate to it. You know, you felt what these artists were

[00:35:28] feeling and you felt the music and he shouldn't write that off. Why? Because, you know, whatever,

[00:35:33] because they weren't singing about the Berlin Wall coming down or something. It doesn't mean

[00:35:38] that you can't relate to the music. I think he was probably pissed because he was getting

[00:35:44] upstaged by all these bands. So his band just got like buried and then Pearl Jam and all the

[00:35:49] grunge bands came out of nowhere. And they were like, wait a minute, we're still here being

[00:35:53] optimistic, you dicks. Because they never broke up.

[00:35:56] That's the craziest thing about the band. They went on like a couple hiatuses. They didn't record for like three years after their third album. But like, you know, they've in the entirety of the 2000s. So from 2000 to 2018, they put out a single record.

[00:36:11] Yeah.

[00:36:11] But they were constantly an active touring band during that time.

[00:36:14] I'm literally Googling every single thing you guys are saying. That's why I keep on the keyboard.

[00:36:18] I'm like, oh wait, where is this? I'm like looking it up right now.

[00:36:20] Well, what else is wild is they so they released, they released another album called London in 2001.

[00:36:29] It didn't do well at all sales wise. Not that that's what we judge everything on, you know,

[00:36:34] listen to the music, whatever bands have peaks and valleys. But I thought it was interesting.

[00:36:38] They released the album passages in April 2018. And they they crowdfunded it via pledge music.

[00:36:45] Do you guys know anything about pledge music?

[00:36:47] I know.

[00:36:49] Oh boy, that I learned a lot about that from my buddy Jim Legrando.

[00:36:53] That company went bankrupt the same year, but it was like basically like a Kickstarter for music.

[00:36:58] And they stiffed so many bands that like raised money from their fans.

[00:37:04] The bands never got the money to record the album. So that was like a

[00:37:09] they went bankrupt and those bands never. So everyone got ripped off in that. But I guess

[00:37:14] Jesus Jones got their money because they did record the album. And I will tell you guys

[00:37:19] that the single where are all the dreams from that album? You can go check it out.

[00:37:24] It ain't bad. It's a pretty decent song. And the music video for it is pretty cool

[00:37:29] because it's all footage from them like touring in like 1990 and stuff. It's all black and white.

[00:37:36] And you see some like there's like a young Matt Pinfield in it and stuff and like backstage. And

[00:37:41] I thought it was like a pretty cool music video. So I think the guys can still write a song and

[00:37:48] they're still together. One thing that we forgot to mention that I think is pretty interesting.

[00:37:53] You might find this interesting, Mike. So I looked up the Billboard charts of the week

[00:37:57] that right here right now peaked at number two. Number two, that's pretty high for like a

[00:38:04] alternative rock song. I mean...

[00:38:08] Yeah Nirvana never got that high honestly.

[00:38:10] That's like a thing we talked about, like Smells Like Teen Spirit on the Hot 100 got to like

[00:38:14] the high 30s.

[00:38:16] But do you know what the song is that kept it out of the number one spot?

[00:38:21] I'll let Mike guess because I look...

[00:38:22] It's Celine Dion for some reason.

[00:38:26] You're not too far off honestly.

[00:38:27] Wait is it male or female?

[00:38:30] Male.

[00:38:31] Male. And it's a movie soundtrack song.

[00:38:33] Movie soundtrack song. Think Bow and Arrow.

[00:38:38] Oh my god.

[00:38:38] Think Canadian.

[00:38:39] Ryan Adams.

[00:38:42] Everything I Do I'll Do It For You.

[00:38:44] Yep.

[00:38:44] That was the one.

[00:38:45] That was a banger when I came out. That thing destroyed.

[00:38:49] Look into my eyes.

[00:38:50] Dude, actually funny thing I saw about that. I started getting the plays around that time

[00:38:56] and we had to audition so I actually sang that song acapella just basically with no music

[00:39:02] in front of a room of... I was whatever... Yeah I was 12 or something that year or 11.

[00:39:08] And I was on a stage in front of like maybe 30-40 people just like singing with no music that song.

[00:39:15] Wow.

[00:39:16] And then I got a part in the play.

[00:39:18] And then I just kept...

[00:39:19] Hell yeah.

[00:39:20] Yeah, that's right.

[00:39:21] Yeah.

[00:39:23] Well Chris you are a bit of the game master over here. Do you have a Jesus Jones themed game?

[00:39:28] I do have a game for us today if you guys would like to play.

[00:39:32] Perfect. So I have all of my Google open.

[00:39:35] This is loosely Jesus Jones related. It's related to the month, July 1991,

[00:39:44] that this song reached its peak on the Hot 100. And basically I think that one of the two of you

[00:39:52] are going to get every one of these questions. So it'll be a buzz in situation. Matt, if you

[00:39:58] want to buzz in, you got to say right here. Mike, if you want to buzz in, you got to say right now.

[00:40:02] So that's how you buzz in to answer.

[00:40:04] Right now. Okay.

[00:40:06] It's a six question game.

[00:40:09] Okay.

[00:40:09] So question one, on July 1st in the summer heat of 1991, amidst a whirlwind of excitement,

[00:40:20] this blockbuster sequel stormed into theaters.

[00:40:24] Oh no.

[00:40:26] 1991? Summer of 91?

[00:40:28] Yep.

[00:40:29] Yeah. I'm gonna... Right here?

[00:40:31] Go ahead.

[00:40:33] Was it Back to the Future 3?

[00:40:35] That is incorrect.

[00:40:36] It's a sequel. So it's the second movie.

[00:40:38] Yes.

[00:40:39] Right now. Wait, I don't say anymore.

[00:40:41] Go ahead.

[00:40:42] I was gonna say Child's Play 2.

[00:40:45] No. No, Child's Play 2 did not storm its way into theaters.

[00:40:49] I was just thinking of a movie. It wasn't Diary.

[00:40:52] You're gonna... I cannot believe you guys didn't get this. It's fucking T2.

[00:40:57] Oh my God.

[00:40:58] Oh, Terminator 2, Judgment Day.

[00:41:00] I saw that twice in the theater too.

[00:41:02] Oh man.

[00:41:05] All right.

[00:41:05] All right. Next question.

[00:41:06] Next question.

[00:41:07] You should have said, you could be mine.

[00:41:10] Yeah. I didn't want to give it to... I thought that was a gimme.

[00:41:13] I thought whoever just buzzed in first was gonna get that one.

[00:41:15] On July 2nd of 1991, this powerful film set in the streets of South Central Los Angeles was released.

[00:41:23] Right now.

[00:41:25] Go ahead.

[00:41:25] Poison Hood.

[00:41:26] You got it.

[00:41:27] Damn it.

[00:41:27] Nice job. Would you have got that one, Matt?

[00:41:30] I would have.

[00:41:33] All right.

[00:41:33] I hesitate it.

[00:41:34] Mike's up one nothing. We got four questions to go.

[00:41:37] Take that one.

[00:41:37] All right. Let's see.

[00:41:39] Matt might be in trouble on this one. Maybe not.

[00:41:42] On July 5th, 1991, major league baseball owners approved two new

[00:41:49] National League franchises to start play in 1993.

[00:41:52] Right now.

[00:41:53] Name... Go ahead.

[00:41:56] The Colorado...

[00:41:57] I was just gonna say you have to name one of them.

[00:41:59] Yeah.

[00:42:00] Colorado...

[00:42:02] Fumble it. Fumble it. I'll steal it.

[00:42:05] I know this one.

[00:42:06] The Marlins were one.

[00:42:07] You got it.

[00:42:08] And the...

[00:42:10] You had the other one too.

[00:42:11] Yeah.

[00:42:12] Yeah.

[00:42:13] The Rockies.

[00:42:13] The Colorado Rockies.

[00:42:15] Yeah. Those were the two. Those were the two cool hats and starter jackets to have.

[00:42:19] I think like that and also since I live in North Carolina, the Hornets.

[00:42:25] Hornets.

[00:42:26] Larry Johnson. That whole thing was like blowing up around that time.

[00:42:32] That pullover starter jacket was so popular at that time.

[00:42:35] Oh yeah. I had a Hornet's hat. I didn't even like the team.

[00:42:38] And then San Jose Shark stuff. San Jose Shark stuff. That was the sickest shit ever.

[00:42:43] Yeah.

[00:42:44] All right. Mike's up two nothing.

[00:42:45] It's Mike.

[00:42:46] Yeah. That's okay. I gotta sweep these next three.

[00:42:48] Okay. We're gonna do a little history on this one.

[00:42:51] In the tumultuous...

[00:42:52] On June 6th, 19...

[00:42:55] No, not...

[00:42:56] In the tumultuous era of post-Soviet Russia, a pivotal moment occurred when the first

[00:43:02] democratic elections for the presidency took place.

[00:43:06] Who clinched the title of inaugural elected president of the Russian Federation?

[00:43:13] Chris, I was five when this happened.

[00:43:16] Yeah. I don't know. I feel like it's somewhat important to know.

[00:43:19] Right now.

[00:43:21] Go ahead.

[00:43:22] I would say Putin, but he hasn't been that long.

[00:43:25] Isn't it Gorbachev?

[00:43:28] No. It was actually Boris Yeltsin.

[00:43:31] Yeltsin. Oh my God. That's right. Yes.

[00:43:35] Okay.

[00:43:35] All right. Two more. I can tie.

[00:43:37] Yeah. The most you could do is tie, Matt.

[00:43:39] Okay. On July 22nd of 1991, this man confesses to killing 17 men in 1978.

[00:43:50] Right now.

[00:43:52] Go ahead.

[00:43:53] I was about to say John Wayne Gacy.

[00:43:56] That is incorrect.

[00:43:59] Um, right now... Right here?

[00:44:00] Go ahead.

[00:44:02] Um, was that Ted Bundy?

[00:44:03] That is incorrect.

[00:44:04] No, he killed one.

[00:44:05] You guys danced around the obvious answer here.

[00:44:08] Jeffrey Dahmer?

[00:44:09] Oh, is it Dahmer?

[00:44:09] It was Dahmer.

[00:44:11] But he killed them in the 70s?

[00:44:13] Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

[00:44:15] I thought he did it right around the time where he got caught.

[00:44:19] He was doing it for a while.

[00:44:20] I didn't watch the documentary.

[00:44:21] I was like, this is too fucked up.

[00:44:22] I think 91 is when he finally confessed to it.

[00:44:25] Yeah.

[00:44:25] Because he became... I think in 91 is when he became a born again Christian in

[00:44:29] the jail and believed that if he confessed to it, he would be like,

[00:44:33] forgiven and able to go to heaven or something.

[00:44:36] I'm not a religious man, but I would guess that Jeffrey Dahmer is not in heaven.

[00:44:41] That would be my guess.

[00:44:42] Didn't someone like beat him to death with a broom and shove it up his ass afterwards

[00:44:45] or something like that?

[00:44:46] Yeah, they did. Yeah. Or a gym equipment. They beat him to death with gym equipment.

[00:44:52] Yeah.

[00:44:52] Yeah.

[00:44:53] Take that.

[00:44:57] One last question, even though Matt has no chance, we might as well throw it out there.

[00:45:02] I like that you're getting smashed, Matt. That doesn't usually happen.

[00:45:05] Take that, Matt.

[00:45:07] On July 29th of 1991, this legendary heavy metal song was released.

[00:45:12] Right now.

[00:45:13] Enter Sam.

[00:45:14] You got it.

[00:45:16] Okay.

[00:45:16] Damn.

[00:45:17] This is like my old middle school summer.

[00:45:22] Got Jesus.

[00:45:23] Joe.

[00:45:23] Lord.

[00:45:23] All right.

[00:45:24] Metallica.

[00:45:25] Actually, no, wait.

[00:45:26] Well, we are talking 91.

[00:45:28] Okay.

[00:45:28] Yeah, that's the same year.

[00:45:29] That's anyone.

[00:45:30] Mike, thank you so much for joining us real quick.

[00:45:34] You host another fairly popular music podcast out there in this world.

[00:45:38] So why don't you tell everybody go check that out?

[00:45:40] Actually, I accidentally wore this shirt.

[00:45:42] I just put this on today.

[00:45:45] He's wearing his own podcast shirt.

[00:45:47] Can you can you do that?

[00:45:49] Neither of my podcasts have shirts that I have, but if I did, I could wear it.

[00:45:55] Right?

[00:45:56] Yeah.

[00:45:56] You're allowed to.

[00:45:57] And people are like, oh, what's that?

[00:45:58] I'm like, oh, it's a podcast.

[00:46:00] It's called This Was The Scene.

[00:46:01] It's about the late 90s, early 2000s punk scene.

[00:46:04] I've had over 200 interviews.

[00:46:05] I had Chris to make song.

[00:46:06] I think he was 120 something.

[00:46:09] It's wherever you podcast.

[00:46:11] Hell yeah.

[00:46:12] This was the scene.

[00:46:13] Check it out.

[00:46:14] All right.

[00:46:14] In the last part of the show, we just got to determine Jesus Jones, one hit thunder or

[00:46:18] hit blunder.

[00:46:19] Mike, you pick this thunder.

[00:46:22] We do.

[00:46:22] I'm also going to agree.

[00:46:23] This is thunder.

[00:46:24] Chris, are you going to solidify this?

[00:46:26] Are we going to have to, you know, notarize this and send it to Mike Edwards?

[00:46:30] So what happens on the show, Mike, is that if all three people or sometimes we don't have a yes to

[00:46:35] agree that it's thunder, it becomes it comes certified.

[00:46:38] We get a certificate notarized and send it to the artist to let him know that it is certified

[00:46:43] thunder.

[00:46:44] We haven't done it yet.

[00:46:45] We haven't actually done it, but we like to pretend that we do that.

[00:46:48] I think you should completely do that.

[00:46:50] That'd be amazing.

[00:46:50] Yeah, I do too.

[00:46:52] I do too.

[00:46:54] I believe that being over 200 episodes into a podcast about one hit thunders, would you

[00:46:58] say that we are probably the authority on one hit wonders?

[00:47:01] I think we probably are.

[00:47:03] Yeah.

[00:47:03] Right.

[00:47:03] And also, you probably would have only spent $140 in stamps by now if you gave every single

[00:47:09] one of them a thunder.

[00:47:12] Less than that.

[00:47:13] They all weren't.

[00:47:14] They all weren't thunder.

[00:47:15] Yeah, that's for sure.

[00:47:16] We don't send them.

[00:47:17] You're not thunder.

[00:47:18] We don't send him a blunder certificate.

[00:47:20] That's for sure.

[00:47:21] There's been plenty of blunders.

[00:47:22] But yeah, I think Jesus shown.

[00:47:25] I think Jesus Jones is thunder.

[00:47:27] The song is really good.

[00:47:29] The band seems pretty cool.

[00:47:31] I think Mike Edwards stuff I've seen with him is cool.

[00:47:33] And hey, they're still out there.

[00:47:35] I see like I said, they're touring with I don't know when the dates I think they were

[00:47:41] we're recording this in May of 2024.

[00:47:44] So I think the dates are this upcoming summer.

[00:47:46] I saw they were opening for Ned's Atomic Dustbin, I think in Canada.

[00:47:50] And they're still at it.

[00:47:52] And I really respect when a band's still out there doing it, even if they know that

[00:47:57] it's on the tails of the one hit.

[00:47:59] You gotta embrace that hit.

[00:48:01] I would say thunder for Jesus Jones.

[00:48:03] I also point out that the singer of her cover like stole his look.

[00:48:07] I believe.

[00:48:08] The singer of Recover?

[00:48:10] Yeah.

[00:48:11] Just tall, skinny, you know, just super you look at his photos.

[00:48:14] I mean, it's that and it's like Craig Owens from whatever that band was.

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