"Drinking in LA" by Bran Van 3000 (f/Spose)

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[00:02:24] Brand van 3000s drinking an L.A., a song that's soared in Canada but mainly a small ripple in the States.

[00:02:30] Yet for suppose, hailing from Maine where the song's melodies permeated the airwaves and left an impression on him that remains even decades later.

[00:02:39] Join us as we give this song a ring-a-ding ding and decide if more people should have taken a ride in the brand van.

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[00:03:23] And it makes me wonder as it shots up, wonder as it wanders in the fire under.

[00:03:33] So suppose welcome back to the show.

[00:03:36] Thanks for bringing this song I've never heard of in my life before but I assumed that the reason why you knew this song

[00:03:44] and I didn't was because you were closer to Canada than I am but then I looked at a map as to where Wells Maine is in comparison to Montreal.

[00:03:54] And I realized like I'm just as close to Montreal in Pittsburgh as you are so I don't know how you knew this song maybe give us a little explanation.

[00:04:04] Did you get much music in Wells Maine or something?

[00:04:07] Wow there's just so many questions to answer in that alone.

[00:04:11] So first of all super stoked to be back with you guys.

[00:04:15] And I look forward to doing it again next year with some even more obscure song as you have none left that are that have not been covered.

[00:04:22] It is, I mean this is noteworthy suppose like usually one of us knows the song from previously before the guest.

[00:04:32] This is definitely the first time we're both Chris and I are like I have and then listening I was like maybe I'll hear it now remember it.

[00:04:37] Nothing.

[00:04:38] Wow.

[00:04:39] So is great though I will say this song is awesome.

[00:04:42] Thanks so first of all I don't know that my regionality closeness to Montreal has much to do with me knowing this song so much as I think they were signed to capital records.

[00:04:55] After it becomes this is just from Wikipedia because I'll be honest I didn't know anything about this band beyond this song right because I never bought the album and if you and back in whatever era it was you didn't 98 I think 97 yeah you didn't know anything all you knew about an artist was what you saw on the video or the music video or buying the album.

[00:05:16] So I know this song because of 94.3 WCYY which is the the alt rock station in my region.

[00:05:24] And I think you guys probably know all the songs you know because of a station in your area yeah I think we established last time and so this was a hit this was like a hit on that on that station around the same time as I want to say like razor blade suitcase era bush and you know like the X-Nay on the ombre offspring you know era like the darker follow up album era.

[00:05:51] I mean this had to have been something because like I when I was doing research for it I found them performing the song live on MTV and it wasn't like MTV Euro or any like it was empty like American MTV them doing a live performance and it was side note awesome live the dog I've never seen that yeah look it up the girl who sings the hook in this Stephanie I believe it's pronounced more I she I mean she's the the star of this track as far as I'm concerned.

[00:06:20] And then I found a really interesting video on YouTube that was about how because like because it was 1997 Geffen or capital whichever record label they were on actually intentionally kept her off of all of the marketing and promotional material

[00:06:37] and considered having a white per a white woman re record her chorus and bridge because some test groups said oh she sounds too urban to the rest of the song.

[00:06:49] Wow.

[00:06:50] And it's like in that cause like a little bit of a riff between her and the rest of the group now they're like all buddy buddy and do shows together again but it was like to me it's like you take her out of the song you barely have a song anymore like she is the best part of the song.

[00:07:04] Right she crushes this hook and to be honest my understanding of this band because I don't know if I'd ever seen them or whatever I didn't know if it was a duo I didn't know if she was the group I didn't know what it was but in my research leading up to this episode of listen to the album that this came off of Glee which I had seen at you know Newberry comics and like best buy and all in this era.

[00:07:30] And I recognize the cover I just never bought it I didn't know what this group was and so that and I think the record label probably news that knows that they're like they people don't know who what so it's like you could switch out and replace and when you and as somebody who did have one hit on a big major label.

[00:07:49] You would have probably done whatever the major label said because your big one hit is the moment well so here's something that's really interesting so this group.

[00:07:58] Brand Van 3000 actually entered into a contest in Canada to get a record deal and they tied for first and then it was decided they were going to be disqualified because the final round involved a live performance and there was no live band for them.

[00:08:16] Wow to bring to the show so it was like a radio contest up until the final round and then they're like wait you don't have a band can't perform.

[00:08:25] From the video that I was watching about the history of this band they were saying like it was these two dudes who just were like having fun making these songs and they would just bring in any musician friends that they had to sing on tracks and they said like when they started doing live shows.

[00:08:42] It could be anywhere from three people on stage to like 15 people on stage like there were times where they would just see a street performer in the city that they were playing you just be like hey man come on stage with us to play drums or whatever like.

[00:08:53] They just were like a collective like let's just make music and the fun of making music together but that also that ethos also makes it really hard to write a lot of pop songs that people want to play on the radio.

[00:09:06] Right exactly and maybe that's why this band will probably only get covered on one hit thunder you know or the or the history of Canadian music or whatever no that's really interesting and as I listen to the album I kind of figured out that like oh I don't know if you guys know the this maybe was a better thing.

[00:09:22] To cover on this episode but you know the song since I left you by the avalanches it's like a 2000 so we actually we did a frontier psychiatrist as a Halloween episode of by the avalanche.

[00:09:33] Okay yeah so frontier psychiatrist is what I meant actually not obviously the albums fantastic yeah the whole album since I left you but the vibe I kind of got listening to this brand band 3000 album is almost like another album I would compare it to is like Paul's boutique by the beach boys where it's like a dust brothers like that.

[00:09:51] Dust brothers like amalgamation of almost like Oda la also by Beck where it's like the music is made up of all these different sound collage little drum breaks and like pieces a lot of the way the beastie boys would create as well.

[00:10:04] And I think the difference is a lot of that stuff is very sample based and this is two but I think a lot of it is like almost making samples out of whoever they know.

[00:10:15] Yeah and when I look at who they opened with at the top of their popularity that kind of syncs up with what you're talking about because they were opening for groups like massive attack Bjork pulp and Moby so like definitely in that like sample heavy techno.

[00:10:33] You should like pop the word yeah like that kind of an odd man out in that list honestly but as I mean to be honest man especially you know and I feel this a little bit today as like it's a little different today but in modern music you know you kind of are who's pandora you show up on or like who the relate similar artists are when you listen on Spotify like if I if I tell my.

[00:11:00] Like Apple HomePod to play a song it'll play a song it thinks I like because of that song after right yeah you know and so this so to be grouped with massive attack and Bjork and all these like really dope artists as an opener is the kind of 1997 version of that.

[00:11:19] And that's great I think it's probably great for them it's just I I just assume they never followed it up like their next albums like 2006 or something yeah took a while the start of this band Chris did you find anything on the start of this band because I found this very humorous well there was the guy with the French name right who is like a solo artist and yeah James James the solvio I think it is no no no the different the other one at EP no not here they're not him either talking about John.

[00:11:49] L'Aleaupe. Oh yes it was John L'Aaupe we were Jean Paul school Jean Jean L'Aaupe that's because EP went to help him on his song and he sang in all French well it actually starts even before that okay the beginning of this was that James the solvio got a big royalty check for remix that he had done for another Canadian artist

[00:12:18] and he was friends with EP and basically called him up and was like hey you want to go to New York and spend the entirety of this check okay that was John that was the song it was a song called Johnny go and yes if that song went to number one on the Quebec charts blown up in Quebec yeah blow up the charts they just I guess party to New York and taught each other how do you samplers and turntables and start creating what would be like

[00:12:48] the beginning of this group but they didn't start making the music until 96 is when they made a list of demos that had drinking L.A. on it the song couch surfer and the song everywhere were all on this like demo that they made in the story that I heard was actually

[00:13:05] that they went to south by Southwest in 96 97 with that demo and that they gave it to moby and moby was like this is awesome and he passed it on to like the record label he was signed to at the time

[00:13:19] and that's also probably why they got to open for moby later on down line because you don't get moby's not like massive but 1997 1998 that's about as massive as moby was ever going to be in 1997 98 moby was massive moby I mean he

[00:13:35] pick any artist of 98 Jay Z you know I don't know he did that Gwen Stefani song Southside around that time I want to say like yeah that was right as he was

[00:13:47] he was not the star was not going to be any bigger for booby then it was at the exact time that they handed him that demo also of this whole subgenre we're kind of talking about

[00:13:58] which is like a little bit of electro alternative almost like pre EDM you know it was essentially it was in the alternative genre but we're talking about

[00:14:07] like fat boy slim the chemical brothers you know shit like that moby was the star moby was the one he wasn't the one I wanted to be the one

[00:14:16] but he certainly was I mean they had the system for walking video yeah yeah fat boy slim was doing a much better job with videos and songs for sure

[00:14:25] but moby had like I don't know like I liked I actually like the more you're right that was a fat boy slim

[00:14:31] yeah that was what I was just moby but moby was the star moby was the one M&M was dissing yep and Emmett but the thing is like

[00:14:39] I think moby gave a different like moby the best songs from moby are like the songs that I would put on if I was

[00:14:48] going to meditate for 15 minutes it's stuff like natural blues or porcelain right fat boy slim is the

[00:14:54] stuff that like if I'm at a party I want to hear fucking Rockefeller skank or praise you or wet right choice like or if I'm in a

[00:15:01] shoot out a shoot out or a high I want to hear gangster gangsta tripping but that is to say I mean moby was a moby

[00:15:11] I always point out to my my kids because I have a daughter who just turned 15 and I always try to point out

[00:15:16] uh because the radio station around here was giving away tickets to see boys to men a couple weeks ago and she's

[00:15:22] like who's that I go you do not understand oh I was like boys to men for like a certain two year span

[00:15:30] like 94 to 96 was one of the biggest artists on earth like yeah boy like they definitely were big before

[00:15:37] that you know but they that too well but I was like you couldn't escape boys to men massive hit you

[00:15:42] know and I just try they had a I was like they had a song with Mariah Carey that was number one for

[00:15:46] like a record number of weeks you know yeah but just the context of this era she would have no idea that well

[00:15:53] that's moby was a huge artist it's crazy that you have that story because literally on Friday I had

[00:15:59] an argument with uh I do like a once a month movie night at my house and it's a very large age group

[00:16:07] of people some in like their mid 20s will come out and some like in their 40s I'm leaning more

[00:16:11] towards my 40s and boys to men came up from two of the people that come that were originally grew up

[00:16:17] in L.A. and they're they said yeah I think people just care about boys to men here because they're

[00:16:21] from Philly like they weren't really that popular anywhere else that I was like bullshit what absolute total

[00:16:27] bullshit crazy to me boys to man I honestly suppose I thought you're gonna say I mean I would

[00:16:35] think that even 15 year olds would know all about boys to man they might know the songs but not

[00:16:39] know the artists like I'm sure if they heard I'll make love to you they'll be like oh I've

[00:16:43] heard this in a movie once I guess to me boys to men never went away boys to men has been part of

[00:16:48] my life they're playing in Wells May next week yeah all right I mean they're playing in Boston to

[00:16:55] their credit but they the we're pretty close to Boston but the um yeah no I think uh that genre

[00:17:01] of legit I was I was explaining this to us like the genre of legit R&B sex slow jam

[00:17:09] is not really on hit radio anymore like that that genre was huge along it would be like and I was

[00:17:17] telling Lily I was I love that genre by the way I love to keep that Chris is like oh my god oh my

[00:17:24] god I was listening to you're making me high by Tony Braxton is one of my favorite songs ever and

[00:17:31] and I I was playing it and my daughter was like this was on the radio and I was like yeah right after

[00:17:36] like the spice girls want to be yeah like it's like the really blower mind and player next is too close

[00:17:45] I won't unfortunately I feel like that's happening in real life so yeah I just feel like there's

[00:17:51] a lot in this in this era that kind of gets swept under the rug and I'm curious about the context of

[00:17:56] the 90s stars to you know this generation that didn't live through it because it's you know you

[00:18:04] don't know Moby and you don't know boys to men was huge and you do you know there's all sorts of

[00:18:07] artists that maybe fall you know by the way so you do know about two-pock and and notorious B.I.G

[00:18:14] you know you know about maybe M&M came you know about Nirvana right but like what else do you

[00:18:19] take away spice girls well even something that was hitting me with this song is even looking at

[00:18:24] the lyrics the lyrics are so in a very established 1997 time and place reference point that

[00:18:33] like I think if you played this for any kid they would not get references like a Mafioso story with

[00:18:41] a twist a two-wong food Julie Julie Neymor Hitch like they're not gonna know about the movie two-wong

[00:18:47] food I mean the honest man and this maybe is something I've realized a lot lately is I have no idea

[00:18:53] what people are saying this I never looked up to lyrics to this never cared to even I did not

[00:19:00] care what they meant like I sang whatever I thought the approximation of the lyrics was and you

[00:19:06] know what I do this with like the smashing pumpkins which is my favorite band like I don't know

[00:19:11] what the hell he's saying sometimes dude I and I don't care I really I really love the song tonight

[00:19:17] tonight I've said that it's possibly the best song of the entire 90s in my eyes and it was only a

[00:19:23] couple years ago that I even knew what the words that song were but I was they just gave me a vibe

[00:19:28] of like I like what this is about without reading the lyrics like I can just feel that it's about

[00:19:33] something special right and it's not about anything but this is literally it is what it says it's

[00:19:37] about it's about getting drunk and I like yeah I want to say that in my first impression of this

[00:19:43] song which I do like the hook a lot the hooks the hook is amazing but the rest of the song is kind

[00:19:50] of a mess it's like what is going on it's like a freestyle it's like a rap freestyle well I was

[00:19:57] but you know what drew me to it in this era of trip hop where it's essentially alternative with

[00:20:03] singing but usually with turntable scratching and maybe a drum break because because a lot of it is

[00:20:07] informed by the technology at the time because this is all pre really you can make music on your

[00:20:12] computer yeah this is all like physical you know devices still at this point but the rapping

[00:20:19] is what really just if I could make a comparison as to what and maybe you guys have done a

[00:20:23] maybe you guys have done an episode about the song maybe you guys don't even know this song because

[00:20:26] I don't fucking know if you don't know this song but Scooby snacks by fun loving criminals great

[00:20:31] song we haven't done it yet but that's a great song oh man we should have done that but the

[00:20:35] this will be a double episode then because this is no but that that is the vibe yeah that I always

[00:20:41] know this is like some some base level rapping and and like a dope hook in a in a in a almost

[00:20:50] like break beat or not break beat but just like a drum break style hip hop song well and I think

[00:20:56] something that you said that I guess is worth bringing up again is like yes this is that

[00:21:01] period you made the reference earlier to the avalanches and you also made a reference to Paul's

[00:21:07] and I feel like those are both albums that like if you lose the context of when they made seem

[00:21:13] way less impressive because like anybody with a computer can make Paul's boutique or the avalanches

[00:21:19] album now but it's like not an 89 or 97 like you literally had to have every single one of those

[00:21:25] records handy and like finding the exact part that you want it to sample and loop and like

[00:21:32] I remember watching I think it's beats life and rhyme the the documentary about a tribe called

[00:21:37] quest uh the michael rap report made and he there's a point where they're talking about how qtip

[00:21:42] used to make beats as a kid because he didn't have a record player was that he would literally take a

[00:21:49] blank cassette tape and it would put it in his double deck or cassette tape and just play the same

[00:21:55] five seconds of what he wanted to sample over and over again for five straight minutes on a tape

[00:22:01] and then put that into something and wrap over top of it afterwards and it's like that

[00:22:05] that art form is completely gone because now you just like copy paste, paste, paste, paste,

[00:22:10] paste and you've created your loop for you to hit the button L

[00:22:17] yeah but but you know coming from that era and I mean I know you guys grew up in it too

[00:22:22] it is wild how I mean even just the concept of I was I was on another show I was on a radio show

[00:22:29] I do in the in Friday mornings and in Maine and a couple weeks ago it was the 25th anniversary of

[00:22:36] my name is by m&m okay and which maybe you guys remember where you were when you heard it to me

[00:22:41] it was like a while I would I had never heard anything like this in my life you know and

[00:22:46] and I had been listening to hip hop most of my life and I just remember grabbing my boom box

[00:22:52] which was a cassette CD player radio boom box as most of us probably had in the 90s and I grabbed

[00:22:58] a blank cassette that was probably already in there and I hit play and record and I put the

[00:23:02] boom box up to the TV and yeah and I caught like the second verse wow I brought it on my walkman

[00:23:09] to school to show my friends through headphones on the way to school I was like you got to hear this

[00:23:13] you know and played it for them but like that concept would never

[00:23:17] exist now you know it's like nobody would they would just literally have a phone in their pocket

[00:23:21] they hit record or they have the link or whatever they just examine it and find it on somewhere else

[00:23:27] like yeah like no I don't know what this song is all right now I know the way we consume music

[00:23:32] like that is is certainly you know way easier and changed but but exactly the the point that

[00:23:38] like the music they were making at that era was really confined to the equipment you know another

[00:23:46] another big album of that style is a introducing the DJ shadow album which was like a super popular

[00:23:52] I don't know mash up samples album but like to do the avalanches album we're talking about

[00:23:58] which I think might have been like 2002 or something but they still had to spend their whole life

[00:24:04] listening to records to even know the records to have the set to what songs they want to sample

[00:24:09] the new in the same key somewhere to like what was the DJ swamp put out an album too

[00:24:14] becks DJ put on album that had like worship ring of fire and worship the robots is on it but it's

[00:24:20] again you're like this is late enough into the 90s and early enough in the 2000s that he still

[00:24:25] need it to know the reference points that he was going to pull from and build out of right

[00:24:31] yeah shout out DJ swamp who did man I did see play with Beck once back in the day like this whole

[00:24:37] sub genre was like a little s not like spooky but a little like almost like at night

[00:24:44] you know is the vibe I got as like a 12 13 year old is like this is like oh this is at night

[00:24:48] you know yeah pop you know in another song I was thinking of was the sneaker pimps

[00:24:53] yes I love that six on six underground which maybe you guys have covered too

[00:24:57] am I pulling out all the songs I should have pulled out right now maybe but you know it would be

[00:25:02] snack six underground so let me ask you this question suppose because we are talking about like how

[00:25:07] one of the things that maybe didn't help this group is obviously like a pretty wide gap between

[00:25:15] albums so it was 1997 followed by 2001 followed by 2007 like there's these like four or five six

[00:25:24] year gaps in between albums now obviously you're on here also to promote a new album that you

[00:25:29] recently put out and I think you've seen both sides of it right like you've seen you've been there

[00:25:36] where you can take the time between records to like tour the records see what's happening and now

[00:25:42] I feel like you're in this other era where it's like you better be putting out new songs every couple

[00:25:48] weeks to couple months if you even want to have a chance of staying in peoples overall algorithms

[00:25:53] anymore right yeah I mean as when I look at something like that like their discography where you see

[00:25:59] you know three six year gaps I mean I just see personal stuff that's person that's personal life

[00:26:08] which would in these scenarios where you probably had a essentially a top 40 alternative hit or

[00:26:15] whatever I'm sure it was some behind the scenes record label stuff you know when all sorts of

[00:26:21] personal stuff and also they seem like a group that's more like a a loose conglomerate rather than

[00:26:26] like a you know the four of us in a room together and kind of led by like a dude making

[00:26:33] beats in his room but also this genre kind of passed them by pretty quick like by 2001 we were at

[00:26:41] Lincoln Park and the Strokes and you know this this was kind of done but you know it's crazy is even if

[00:26:47] you have like a number one hit or something like still that means like 65% of the earth has no

[00:26:54] idea who you are yeah it's like it's it's a crazy thing but basically the the question you asked is

[00:27:00] like do you feel you know the change and you could have a couple years between albums and now do

[00:27:05] you feel like you got to release stuff constantly and yes I do feel like that and I always put it like

[00:27:10] this and maybe social media isn't the the word for it maybe it's just our culture as a whole

[00:27:17] but like social media it I always as a metaphor say is a river you know imagine like the Mississippi

[00:27:25] river and you're standing and you in in the three of us are standing right here on the bank maybe

[00:27:30] like 20 feet apart with everybody else all down the river you know for thousands and thousands of

[00:27:36] miles and and you really only see your little spot in the river right and if I want to make a splash

[00:27:43] and make anybody notice I throw the I make the best biggest thing I can possibly do and maybe I

[00:27:48] don't know what's big at the time you know when you throw it in the river and everybody's like whoa

[00:27:53] and then what happens three seconds later it is gone yeah someone else those in a even bigger rock

[00:28:00] sometimes I'm doing somebody else to some even and then there was for example like a mass shooting

[00:28:05] that day and you like whoa that's a bigger splash I got to look at that you know and so the attention

[00:28:10] span and the sheer um I mean if you turn your if you put Instagram sideways or Facebook sideways

[00:28:18] and you swipe it on the you know horizontally on a table it is a river that's what I was going to

[00:28:23] say that's literally yeah literally what it is you could work on something for months and it could

[00:28:28] be you or I or Matt could could just have that thing come up and we could give it three seconds

[00:28:35] and be like swipe right even if you liked it yeah right you know you're on to the and it's

[00:28:42] and so you really have this very fleeting finite thing but the one thing I will say that's

[00:28:49] a positive change I've noticed maybe even since my last album which was 2001 before this one

[00:28:56] I just put out you mean 2021 right it has been 20 23 years I did put out album in 2001 but I

[00:29:06] can't so if we heard it yes 2021 sorry I put out this album get Richard I Ryan and I

[00:29:12] and I and I think the only positive real change for artists because there's been a lot of negative ones

[00:29:18] your whole catalog is now in play yeah like not just the most recent thing you made which

[00:29:24] which does present you more opportunities to throw things in the river because it it because

[00:29:29] you know say for example I don't know what's it exactly like my my song nobody from my album right

[00:29:38] 2015 album is like one of my more popular songs but you know it maybe has like 2.5 million views

[00:29:45] on YouTube and that is to say that most of the earth's population has never heard of it what so

[00:29:52] yeah so I can repurpose a verse of that or a clip of the video and post it tomorrow and maybe

[00:29:59] that's the first time you ever see it and if you don't keep throwing things in the river including

[00:30:05] the stuff that you've made in the past which I guess and I guess my point is in the entire history

[00:30:10] of the music industry except for a greatest hits album there was never a way to say hey look at

[00:30:18] my old stuff too yeah you know that this was good I think that's just the model of the record

[00:30:23] industry is hey the new thing yeah it benefits people who are prolific now yes and that's a good

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[00:33:26] if i could give you another example of the the gift in the curse of this though is um

[00:33:34] james blake the um yeah kind of like a theory old keyboardist singer um post kind of went on a

[00:33:40] rant i hate to call it a rant he had a monologue on x twitter whatever twitter's called uh

[00:33:48] yesterday and he said something he was talking about tiktok and he was talking about spotify

[00:33:52] and basically that the music industry's broken um and he goes remember when my godspeed cover went

[00:33:58] vile viral i think it was a cover of a frank ocean song he goes neither mean nor frank ocean ever made

[00:34:03] a scent because it was an original quote unquote original sound in every video as in it never was

[00:34:10] like godspeed cover by frank ocean right by by by james blake of frank ocean it just says original

[00:34:16] right so not only did they not make money off it the average whatever teenage girl who might have

[00:34:22] been a fan of that sound that that that sound that song doesn't even know who made it yeah you're

[00:34:27] right that sound is the right way to put that that sound she's a fan of that sound she's not even

[00:34:33] found in that song it's the eleven seconds of the song that the sound and so that is to say

[00:34:39] you can have a gigantic viral mo like i could have these this chorus of one of my songs become like

[00:34:46] a viral thing that everyone's but everyone in the world is posting but unless they tagged

[00:34:52] me and the song you don't even really know what it is and so you can have these viral moments

[00:34:57] that don't even translate to yeah uh uh uh bigger a bigger or the catalog research that you talked

[00:35:03] about yeah right there's a sound that i'm a fan of on tiktok yes i sound that people use a lot a

[00:35:10] lot of times in it's when i first signed on the tiktok it was one of the first things i became

[00:35:15] a fan of a few years ago and it's used a lot when they show like a picture of a cat looking real cute

[00:35:21] and like coming around the corner or something but it's this song that goes here comes the boy

[00:35:27] hello boy it's like a song i don't know who sings it it's it's like a pretty good like

[00:35:33] 15 second clip but it's exactly what you're saying and you saying i don't know who sings it is

[00:35:38] exactly it you know yeah right so so yeah that it's definitely a uh and so to circle back to your

[00:35:45] to your question who the fog knows what to do as far as how much you need to put stuff out but i

[00:35:51] do think the small positive of this decreasing attention span social media is a river concept

[00:36:02] is that everything you've ever made is back in play yeah yeah i want to honestly what could go wrong

[00:36:09] what could go wrong man yeah that's the album if you if you google it if you were to google it

[00:36:15] you and see that as a suppose album yeah who's gonna put in that effort suppose i was gonna ask you

[00:36:21] I want to talk about brand van or aka bv bv3 bv3 k great abbreviation sounds like a boy band

[00:36:30] bv3 they call themselves bv3 um but when we were coming into this episode and i wasn't familiar with

[00:36:38] brand van 3000 but then i listened to it then i listened to your new album and i was thinking to

[00:36:44] myself wow is this an influence on suppose i guess they really weren't you you kind of only knew

[00:36:49] this song too but i could see there's a sort of eclecticness uh within you know the bv3 album

[00:36:57] that well listen to your album like maybe this was an early influence for him because uh hey

[00:37:02] me i gotta tell you i really like your album today's the first time thank you i got you sent

[00:37:08] the advance over uh i got a i guess what by the time this is out your albums already out is that

[00:37:13] right yeah correct but i sent you guys though the early soundclouds link yeah yeah it's great and

[00:37:19] i had some things to tell you about it now anyone out there go check it out what could go wrong

[00:37:24] from suppose hey mat and i both love the opening track no complaints oh thank you to rockin

[00:37:30] rockin that's my big pumpkins influence there or maybe the i said weezer i thought the guitar

[00:37:37] tone has a weezer sound to it oh sure i'll take that of the heavy weezer for sure and i thank you

[00:37:43] i really appreciate that because that that i wanted to come out the gate with that vibe and

[00:37:48] establish that like this is honestly i feel like that song is the closest i've ever got to like the

[00:37:52] center of the spose box which is this kind of alt rock with with lyricism bars not right you know

[00:38:00] i mean i think this is kind of like a little bit of behind the scenes and you might not even

[00:38:05] necessarily know this spose but the first time i ever had an interaction with you on the internet

[00:38:12] bringing it back to like what we were talking about with like knowing reference points

[00:38:16] it was when self-help first came out oh okay yeah you released the single for self-help and i

[00:38:22] think at that time i was still on twitter and i tweeted at you and said is the ending of this

[00:38:27] inspired by salvation by cranberries i love that's it had that banana banana and you were like

[00:38:33] dude how do you know that's like yeah yeah like like and ever since we've kind of stayed in touch

[00:38:39] and i was able to get you on the show like a year or two after that but sometimes it's like that

[00:38:45] that hidden language of like knowing what people's reference points are helps like build that

[00:38:54] communication better because you're like okay this person knows this point of contact so i know i

[00:38:58] can have a conversation for longer than five minutes with this person just solely based on

[00:39:04] they know what the hell i'm talking about right now i'm not talking over their head

[00:39:08] you knowing salvation by the cranberries is a hint that oh maybe we have a lot more in common than that

[00:39:13] if you're there for the kind of like that song was not zombie you know that it's not dreams it's

[00:39:19] not linger it's yeah it was like the last note worthy radio single they ever had right but i

[00:39:26] i think i probably said this to you at the time but i listened to that song all the time i put that

[00:39:30] that's one of my favorite songs so yeah that that song fucking rips but um suppose speaking

[00:39:36] of songs the rip 15 years was shaking my whole was shaking my whole room that sub based net song

[00:39:43] fucking sick dude i don't know if the way that you're releasing this album if you have

[00:39:50] in quotes a single is but if you do is floor the single oh man good question so uh floor

[00:39:58] is absolutely you know what this is some behind the scenes baseball but basically i've released

[00:40:05] three singles leading up to this and i wanted to release another one the week before the album dropped

[00:40:12] but for some reason there's something with Spotify where if i release the single within seven days

[00:40:16] of the album the single won't ever show up in anybody's email it's just the album and so it's

[00:40:21] more important for me that the album shows up but floor is supposed to be that right before the album

[00:40:25] single because that song is big yeah i love that song love that i mean i would just really impressed

[00:40:33] with how you know eclectic i use that word again the the album is i that the synth poppiness of

[00:40:41] that song make it out alive i thought was awesome i thought right side was really awesome and i got

[00:40:45] to shut up blankets blanket is fucking awesome too blanket was one of the ones where i like

[00:40:51] cuz i had it on while i was like making lunch before we record it and blanket was one where i like

[00:40:55] stopped and was like i need to write down what the song title is nice and and that one i will say

[00:41:01] weezers definitely a jumping off point for that but to to circle back to your earlier point man

[00:41:06] about um if you know something like brand brand 3000 would uh inform the eclecticness of this album

[00:41:13] obviously i didn't know the brand band album but listening to it it clearly is very diverse but

[00:41:18] i do think growing up listening to things like the beastie boys growing up even even if you go

[00:41:25] listen to us smashing pumpkin's album which i is my main influence growing up is like you know there's

[00:41:30] like four or five different genres of rock music yeah on every pumpkin's album the simple answer is

[00:41:36] we all grew up in the 90s so we love this yeah and so does most of the people who listen to one hit

[00:41:44] thunder so right if you're listening to this podcast you're most likely a 90s fanboy and uh

[00:41:51] sposed might be your new favorite rapper it's what i'm trying to say well i do think it appeals to

[00:41:57] you know it's really and as i get older i get closer and closer and closer to artistically being

[00:42:04] 10 year old me yeah i mean that in like the best way possible like i am purely my influences and purely

[00:42:14] like unafraid to say what genuinely i feel you know and i think on this record musically as well

[00:42:21] you know i think uh and there even if you get to the end towards the end there is some you know

[00:42:27] uh chemical brothers type break beats on any minute and and um you know some like um

[00:42:34] you know a guitar with like a harmonic on it you know that opens and closes the album and like

[00:42:39] yeah i heard some acoustic guitars on here i heard all all kind of stuff i mean i absolutely you

[00:42:46] you pulled a uh a Taylor Swift deluxe edition trick of just having a voice memo of you

[00:42:52] hashing out one of the tracks as it all the album yeah yeah well in that comes from my friend

[00:42:58] Ben's been dead who is featured on make it out alive and um uh uh bright side he kind of sat down with

[00:43:05] me because i really had made this album in almost real time as i was going through divorce

[00:43:11] from my wife and so i was you know i started this album before before anything went wrong

[00:43:17] and then we find out what could go wrong and i go through it kind of in real time um and so the

[00:43:23] album is mostly in chronological order from when i start when i made it and when i finished it wow

[00:43:30] and so my friend Ben had pointed out as we're listening to maybe 20 or 30 demos that you know

[00:43:38] tracks i'd made um and some of it were like no that's too deep that's too personal don't put that

[00:43:43] out or or that's that just doesn't fit the vibe he kind of like executive produced i guess in a way

[00:43:49] that song the voice memo song he go because i had a fully produced version of that with like a full

[00:43:57] band and he goes man the voicemail down the voicememo demo of that is ra's hell like that would be

[00:44:03] crazy if you just put that on there so shout out to Ben for that encouragement to just put basically

[00:44:08] me playing a guitar singing that demo from a raw personal place but um yeah thanks man and i

[00:44:15] think eclectically yeah i do think it covers all these new spaces and you talked about self-help

[00:44:20] earlier which i was happy to put out a few years ago to expand the box of what you think

[00:44:24] suppose could be to this punk rock tempo aggression thing and i think on this album having

[00:44:31] it already established that i'm like all right i feel safe in all these genres in a way um i do

[00:44:37] have to ask before we wrap this up is there going to be a tour coming up soon to promote the new album

[00:44:44] yes i'm announcing it in like sections and uh the first i think by the time people hear this the

[00:44:50] first section will be announced so you could go to supposemusic.com and look at those dates but um

[00:44:56] definitely trying to do the whole country throughout the year and go play go play these records and

[00:45:00] and you know and the quote unquote hits and uh get back to i i haven't been on tour since

[00:45:06] 2022 so yeah well i can i can uh say that i've only seen sposed once and it was probably

[00:45:15] i would i'm willing to guess it was during one of the most uncomfortable sets you've ever played

[00:45:19] in your entire life uh and you still killed it so i can't wait to see good to see

[00:45:25] you've come to a good one yeah i saw you play do you remember when you had to play the too many games

[00:45:30] video game convention yo i've read so this is real yeah i fucking do i fucking do

[00:45:37] i sent the meanest email ever after that show i was so pissed entirely not worth it i wish i could

[00:45:45] have that the weekend it was it was a hell of a show i bought every shirt that you had available

[00:45:50] with your merch table at that show but well you're appreciated the sound guy no yeah no that was a

[00:45:56] wild that was in christ to give you some uh to give you a view of what was happening here it was

[00:46:03] literally a family friendly video game convention and it was like right before him like our buddy

[00:46:11] mega ran went on and like did a great job and mega rans got that whole video game thing happened

[00:46:16] and i went because obviously i'm friends with mega ran but i would love sposed so i was like i

[00:46:20] can finally see sposed live and i think he hit the stage and what i would what would you say like

[00:46:28] halfway through it you realized i say fuck a lot in these songs where there's just a gang of

[00:46:33] children in the front and like my wife at the time and like our kids are all there because i was

[00:46:39] like oh we'll go to filly for like a little trip you know and but the main thing i remember is

[00:46:45] the the sound guy kept interrupting the show because of his equipment which was janky yeah

[00:46:55] and broken like he had a mic stand that would not stay up and so i was like reefing on it

[00:47:00] and i think i like dropped it at one point because it's like this is a piece of shit

[00:47:04] 10 years ago and he stops he comes on the mic like in the monitors and like starts yelling at me

[00:47:12] in the middle of the show it was awful yeah it was that horrible but i was in the front row pushing

[00:47:19] those kids over singing along to knocking on wood like i'm in my man it was like curbure enthusiasm

[00:47:25] i always talk about this hypothetical if i ever have the time or the energy to to write like a HBO

[00:47:34] series about being a touring musician called animals nobody steal this please and uh basically each

[00:47:41] each episode is a city that episode would be like whatever's town outside of filly that's called

[00:47:47] duh it says it on the screen in text i mean that's how we're opening that's his first episode

[00:47:52] opening is that oh i got way better than that but yeah i mean essentially the show you never see

[00:47:58] us perform because all the drama of the day is everything else maybe that show you'd see part

[00:48:04] of the performance but it's like it's like a band that you never hear in the show you know and

[00:48:09] so because it's uh what's it the band from can hardly wait uh love burger just love burger you never

[00:48:15] you never hear song by the band right exactly i've had plenty of these i i've once played at gazebo

[00:48:21] and mississippi in a swarm in a swarm of mosquitoes yes i've been i've been to all these shows

[00:48:28] i think anybody who's been a touring musician for as long as both you have there are you just

[00:48:33] to have war stories to share a fling really do i mean i could i could go off i mean just i know we're

[00:48:40] trying to get out of here but i have for example there's one episode that would be just Salt Lake City

[00:48:46] and it starts in Salt Lake City but by the by like 10 minutes in it's Logan Utah because they move

[00:48:53] the show from Salt Lake City to Logan Utah and we're like all right and then they move it from

[00:48:59] the venue and Logan Utah to the what i thought was a club called like Eagles Club no it's just

[00:49:05] the Eagles Club like where the where old people go to drink and nobody told them we were coming

[00:49:10] there to play a show sound equipment none you know it's like everything just went and then

[00:49:16] when the promoter realized that like oh i really screwed this up and like i oh suppose actually

[00:49:22] like $2,500 right now he disappeared we couldn't find him so we had to drive back to Salt Lake City

[00:49:31] and stand outside his office the next morning like to shake him down for like the money so yeah

[00:49:37] touring touring sucks you would really enjoy if you go on YouTube look up the the singer from

[00:49:44] green jello hunting down a promoter who stiffed him finding him and then humiliating him on camera

[00:49:52] for like 20 minutes straight that guys that guys wow do you would enjoy that video

[00:49:57] typing it in right now yeah but before before we wrap up i do have like some brand van

[00:50:05] brand van 3000 uh things to talk about with you guys pretty quick that apparently brand van

[00:50:11] was the hundred and thirty first biggest band in canada from 1996 to 2006 that ranks that

[00:50:20] well i'll tell you it was based on so in 2017 Nielsen and billboard in honor of 150 years of

[00:50:31] Canada existing they were figuring out who were the 150 biggest bands and artists from Canada

[00:50:41] of all time based on the data they had which was sound scan and digital from the years 1996 to 2016

[00:50:52] so based on that they were 131 now i had a little game for you guys to see do you know who number one

[00:51:00] would be who the number one artist yes okay you go with your answer and i think i have another one

[00:51:06] if you are the number one Canadian artist the number one Canadian artist of all time based on data

[00:51:13] between 1996 and 2016 physical and digital sales according to nielsen and billboard oh 2016

[00:51:23] yeah like 96 to 2016 i was real i was real confident and now i'm not

[00:51:30] Celine Dion is who i was going to say is that who you're going with who are you going with that

[00:51:34] well at first i thought you were saying band like specifically a band which i think it would be

[00:51:38] bear naked ladies but i think or artist band or artist i feel like Justin Bieber right he's

[00:51:43] Canadian and that would have been like another time uh spous don't say don't say another guess

[00:51:49] oh because you because you got it yes i'll tell you in order if you want to know now

[00:51:55] man i have been she and i had to and i had to win was number two yeah good job i didn't know

[00:52:00] she and i had to win was Canadian god yeah that's where i'm here for that if you would have

[00:52:06] said band you would have still been wrong because the biggest band the tragically hip

[00:52:12] you got it god damn spous what can i do how are you how are you this good at this but i just live in

[00:52:19] man very close to Canada okay all right well the list was Celine Dion was one tonight a twin to

[00:52:25] booblay three oh yeah Michael yeah tragically hip four ceramic locklin five nickel back six

[00:52:34] Diana crawl i don't know who that is seven Avril Lavigne eight our lady piece nine

[00:52:40] Brian Adams ten Justin Bieber was eleven that's crazy to me but okay then it went letter coen

[00:52:48] Neil Young blue rodeo bear naked ladies finally down here at like 15 wow yeah and then here's

[00:52:56] what something's really surprising to me then it was great big C Johnny Reed don't know who either

[00:53:01] them are then a lannis morisette all the way at eighteen no way so let me ask you questions because

[00:53:08] jagged little pill came out in ninety five that man that he was also going to ask i'm wondering if

[00:53:13] that was confined within Canadian sales versus like American crossover because i wonder if like

[00:53:20] Justin Bieber is one of those artists that's bigger in America than he is in Canada or so probably

[00:53:25] I mean like probably because I think just based on sales alone during the time period where

[00:53:32] 2016 is involved like Bieber was inescapable for like a decade there I just think the the reasons

[00:53:40] it's Celine Dion and Chennai a twin are the sales in the nineties of CDs were way more substantial than

[00:53:48] any number of people number any number of times someone bought the single baby by Justin Bieber yeah

[00:53:54] you know you're buying twelve you're buying all twelve Celine Dion songs that's that's fair you guys

[00:53:58] right to test your wits one more time oh boy okay here we go win again yeah I think you might

[00:54:03] here we go brand van three thousand is from Montreal name another band from Montreal I'll tell you

[00:54:12] this there are I have seven listed here that you probably know I mean the arcade fire you got it

[00:54:21] why okay good job that would you have gotten any now my brain was falling apart and all I was thinking

[00:54:27] of was the band of Montreal they were one of them they are one of them okay I know that was like

[00:54:33] an ironic American band name there's another broken social scene is maybe from there one of

[00:54:39] those one of those pitchforky type of bands I don't but definitely the arcade fire the other bands

[00:54:46] that I was that would have counted here where Godspeed you black emperor wolf parade simple plan

[00:54:55] damn of Montreal men without hats and chromio don't you know fire coming out of Montreal yeah that's great

[00:55:05] the one more question I have for you to brand van three thousand were part of the Horde tour 98

[00:55:12] that's H-O-R-D-E the Horde tour we went over this already name two other bands are artists

[00:55:20] that played at the Horde tour in 1998 the squirrel nut zippers oh no they didn't play that year that's

[00:55:29] a good guess I'm gonna throw because I think we talked about them on this episode rustic route was

[00:55:34] rusted rude on the Horde tour they were not on that Horde tour the mighty mighty boss tones no

[00:55:42] I remember the Horde tour three eleven I feel like was on the Horde tour at one point not this year

[00:55:47] not 1998 all right I'm gonna throw one more out there indigo girls no okay they were probably on

[00:55:54] the little affair the Horde tour 98 featured blues traveler bear naked ladies Ben Harper in

[00:56:03] the innocent criminals Alana Davis cherry pop and daddy's that's all you were so that's what I was

[00:56:09] going for worst bad name ever cowboy mouth fastball galactic government mule Huffa moose bat our

[00:56:21] boys are boys are boys are mercy playground polico and suppose come on man the smashing pumpkins no

[00:56:31] yeah smash the only cool band on that list oh I disagree don't say anything bad about bear naked

[00:56:38] ladies I love the L man there what it was just the least sexy list of musicians I was not it was

[00:56:46] the Horde tour would not have been where I was at oh one more for you guys brand van 3,000 released

[00:56:51] drinking in LA in February of 1997 the 39th Grammys also happened in February of 1997 where this female

[00:56:59] artist won album of the year for her album falling into you oh I know this buzzin in Celine Dion

[00:57:08] that's right off that's off Celine Dion was the answer to two of my questions I had for you I was

[00:57:14] sitting there thinking 1997 that's 100% the Grammys when my heart will go on was like blowing up

[00:57:21] so that's Titanic hey one last thing that I thought was really interesting about bv3 as I like

[00:57:28] to call them in their second album in 2001 discoses the single from that album which is pretty awesome

[00:57:35] called astounded it was the final recorded performance of Curtis Mayfield before he died what yeah

[00:57:43] it's it's Curtis Mayfield sings the whole thing I was waiting for someone else it's basically just

[00:57:48] a Curtis Mayfield song it became the most successful Canadian single from bv3 this was bigger this

[00:57:55] astounded song was bigger than drinking in LA it reached number three on the Canadian singles chart

[00:58:02] for anyone who doesn't know who Curtis Mayfield is out there he sings move on up if you don't

[00:58:06] know move on up it's the song that's sampled in Kanye's touch the sky that's yeah that's Curtis

[00:58:13] Mayfield that's kind of interesting the song just straight up sounds like a Curtis Mayfield song

[00:58:18] but I guess we're at that point in the show where we decide bv3 did they bring the one hit thunder

[00:58:24] or was it a one hit blunder I don't know I think they brought the thunder on this song I think it's

[00:58:30] a really cool song I think it's just maybe like a record label conundrum to figure out what to do

[00:58:35] with a band like that and I can't wait to hear astounded but I'd say not a blunder for me

[00:58:41] okay I'm I'm kind of torn because you know I like to look at it through like two different

[00:58:48] lenses of like should this band have been much bigger and like are there a bunch of other

[00:58:53] songs by them that you should check out and and it's like are there a bunch of other songs you

[00:58:58] check out I actually think yes I enjoyed listening to the album glee and I enjoyed the Curtis May

[00:59:04] whether song that you were talking about may whatever that you were talking about earlier but

[00:59:09] the reverse of that is should they have been bigger I'm also kind of like not really like they did

[00:59:13] have like they'd have like marketable songs to put on the radio I just like weird shit and they

[00:59:18] made some cool weird shit so I'm gonna say thunder but it's a very gentle thunder like you should

[00:59:23] check out the album glee and listen to it's thunder in the distance yes yeah it's a drizzle

[00:59:30] so Chris is it a full blown certification we have to get an envelope ready this is a really hard

[00:59:36] one for me because we're talking about one hit thunder and I don't even know that this band had one

[00:59:42] hit I'm kind of fair I think that that's a strike against them being that I don't know this song

[00:59:49] I mean the music video does have 4.6 million views so it seems like a lot of people know it

[00:59:56] I most definitely did not I think the song is cool I do think a couple other songs are cool I think

[01:00:02] it's kind of a mess like there's not like a real signature sound to this band and it seems like

[01:00:10] a collective of people contributing different things and for what it is in achieved a certain

[01:00:17] level of success and I think that's cool for them should it have had more I don't really I

[01:00:23] think they had all the success they were gonna get from bv3 yeah that's what I mean yeah yeah

[01:00:27] it went far beyond I mean I didn't even buy the album so right right and I don't I don't know it

[01:00:35] peaked at number 35 on Canada's RPM top singles oh real quick quiz for you guys before I say

[01:00:41] thunder blender it peaked at number 35 on Canada's RPM top singles which I guess is kind of like

[01:00:48] their billboard or whatever in a certain way on July 28th of 1997 what do you think the number one

[01:00:54] song was on the RPM charts at that time what was the date July 28th 1997 if you get this I will be

[01:01:03] so impressed I'm gonna go one week by the bear nakedly damn it that was what I was gonna go with um

[01:01:08] okay well then uh I'm gonna steal your Celine Dion answers all the time and say it's all coming

[01:01:14] back to me now by Celine Dion no no I think suppose was a little bit closer it was actually the

[01:01:20] difference by the wall flowers what a song yeah that's a good song yeah so when the difference was

[01:01:26] number one in Canada this was number 35 uh sorry I can't make this a certified thunder I got

[01:01:33] to go blunder that's all right international shipping for that certification to Canada would have

[01:01:37] killed us so yeah I would have kayaked it over the border but hey suppose thanks for coming back

[01:01:46] man it's really awesome talking music with you and I want to really reinforce go check out

[01:01:53] spouses new album what could go wrong it's awesome thank you guys I appreciate it's I really

[01:01:59] appreciate you checking out the album in the in the love and for having me back on I feel like the

[01:02:03] floor beneath me fell out and I hope I'm dreaming when I wake up I'm still in the dark

[01:02:14] losing us guess I got nothing to lose a hundred bucks says not even one hundred proof can make

[01:02:22] me numb what do we become grab me baby I'm falling in the bus because you are always my

[01:02:29] nest so when I slip you're waiting to catch but there's a catch there's a catch there's a catch

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