Oh, Ozempic... !

[00:00:08] Mr. Nali, are your friends playing a guessing game of who is on a zempik and who is not?

[00:00:14] Absolutely, not just a guessing game, they are behind people's backs, pretty sure of

[00:00:22] who is taking a zempik, almost as if they have gone into the prescriptions themselves.

[00:00:26] Really? Yeah. And the other day somebody asked me that you've lost a lot of weight.

[00:00:31] So I said before you ask, no it's not a zempik, I lost my weight two and a half years ago

[00:00:36] because of going on a low glycemic diet and I eat healthy and I exercise. So she said, yeah okay,

[00:00:44] you know what I was about to ask. So there you are. So zempik as we all know, as everybody seems

[00:00:49] to know now, days came out in 2012, it's a wonder drug that was originally meant for type 2 diabetes

[00:00:55] but now everyone seems to be taking it from all the celebrities in Bollywood, Bollywood,

[00:00:59] wherever to cut down on their weight without exercise. Someone's called it an eating disorder in a needle

[00:01:08] and it's not just the celebrities, every person seems to be on a zempik and not talking about it.

[00:01:14] Where are they getting their zempik from in India given it's not available?

[00:01:17] In India there are enough people who sell it off label but even in the US, you know,

[00:01:23] there's a shortage of zempik. Firstly, the side effect which was discovered by chance

[00:01:30] suited about 74% of America's population that is suffering from obesity and to that end people

[00:01:39] not being able to lose weight and it causes any other severe complications inside their bodies,

[00:01:44] they were taking a zempik going to the GP then somehow getting them to prescribe it.

[00:01:50] It's for $1000 in the US, the manufacturing cost is not more than $5, $1000 a month supply.

[00:01:59] So clearly it's a drug that if you don't have insurance only a wealthy person can afford

[00:02:06] and what is happening is that across the world now there are people who found ways to supply it

[00:02:12] and they're the shortage of this drug for people with type 2 diabetes who actually need it.

[00:02:18] That's a tragedy and it also does have a lot many side effects which can be

[00:02:22] dangerous. I read something about a lawsuit about stomach paralysis that had been caused

[00:02:27] because of gastroparesis. Because what it does is GLP, there's a category of drugs called

[00:02:36] GLP1 antagonists. They go into your brain and tell your brain that you are no longer hungry

[00:02:43] and what it also does is it slows down your NGI tract. So the food is sitting in it much longer

[00:02:51] than it should in a healthy individual. So that causes all sorts of digestive issues?

[00:02:55] So while that is a great thing for people with type 2 diabetes or those who are about

[00:03:02] 60-80 kilos overweight and too fat to even move around and exercise where it is sort of

[00:03:10] dangerous to their health, it's good for them but people who are doing it because they're too lazy

[00:03:15] to work out or could be bothered to go on a diet. They don't realize that the long term effects,

[00:03:22] firstly the weight loss happens because it takes away your lean muscle mass. That's really dangerous

[00:03:28] and that's why there's a thing called the ozampic phase. Yeah it ages you around 15 years.

[00:03:33] It does. Sharon Osborne actually went on and said she's doing everything she can now to fill

[00:03:39] her face back again because she was looking for scary after that.

[00:03:43] But you know interestingly Oprah appeared on ABC in a show called Shame, Blame and the Weight

[00:03:48] Loss Revolution and Oprah is the spokesperson for Weight Watchers. And most of America since

[00:03:56] the mid 80s since 1986 is when her career started has been more involved with Oprah's

[00:04:02] weight gain and weight loss game than with Oprah herself. On the one hand now she has checked out

[00:04:11] of Weight Watchers and she has admitted to being on a drug for weight loss. She has not named it

[00:04:18] because I guess there must be endorsement thing then whatever. But the fact is Kiran that when

[00:04:24] you finally she has taken away accountability from people who are too lazy and who are just

[00:04:32] glutton and who are neglecting their health in saying that you are not to be blamed if you have

[00:04:39] if you're obese. They're the gene responsible for that. So and now you know there is this drug

[00:04:46] and everyone can take that and so on and so forth is the best thing that's happened to people

[00:04:50] who want to lose weight. And now she's herself lost a ton of weight at 70. She finally has a body

[00:04:56] she thought is dreamed of right. There is more shame actually look at the irony on the one hand

[00:05:03] you're saying don't be ashamed of your body. On the other hand you're endorsing a drug that say

[00:05:09] they'll give you the body you want what are you doing you're working at cross purposes.

[00:05:13] So what is Osempic also done for the entire body positivity movement? It's taken dragged it back

[00:05:18] by at least a few decades. Because you are saying now that you don't need to struggle to get the body

[00:05:27] of your desire of your aspiration. Forget struggle not even work towards nothing you just jab your

[00:05:32] stomach once a week with this Osempic or the other alternative Mungaro Vigowi which is

[00:05:40] which will knock off 15 percent of your body fat while Osempic will knock off 10 percent

[00:05:45] and Mungaro yes of course which is more potent in terms of getting the body fat off.

[00:05:52] And you do that once a week and that's all you need to do but no one's talking about the

[00:05:57] potential thyroid issues you can develop pancreatitis, pancreatitis, Crohn's disease.

[00:06:03] I read up I watched this YouTube video of a woman who a young girl actually who was

[00:06:12] very plump and then her GP encouraged her to get on to Osempic because the pharma lobby is so strong

[00:06:19] that they're encouraging GP they're probably rewarding them in many ways to recommend this drug

[00:06:24] and she spoke about her colitis she had colitis history with some digestive disorder which was

[00:06:31] completely tackleable it had subsided and gone she had completely healed from it. She's in her

[00:06:36] 20s she says that the pain that she suffered on Osempic she wouldn't wish that upon anybody

[00:06:43] and she said that please don't get carried away by all the stories you're hearing and think that is

[00:06:48] tickety boo okay it's very complicated and no one's talking about that why because then they'll

[00:06:54] have to admit that they are on Osempic the same way that people most people in this world will

[00:07:01] not talk about the botched up Botoxophase job because that will lead to admission that they

[00:07:09] took assistance for aesthetic improvement of the whatever their appearances so it's the same thing

[00:07:15] and I think I was the same video and she also mentioned it's unpleasant to listen that it was

[00:07:22] so bad that she actually pooped her pants yeah that's right the same video so I mean it's

[00:07:27] not going to be pleasant you're going to be slim and trim with a wonderful body everyone can

[00:07:31] envy but you can't control you have to wear a diaper adult diaper yeah imagine you know under

[00:07:37] that wonderful gown you wanted to get into and for what you're losing weight absolutely so you

[00:07:42] know panty line issues are going to happen but Kiran on the other hand if somebody it's

[00:07:49] people their bodies and their choice if somebody is on Osempic should people be gossiping about

[00:07:56] them and osempic shaming them it's a question I'm asking you I don't have an answer to this

[00:08:01] or I might have but I want to understand your POV on this

[00:08:06] hey I think it's nobody's business correct what anyone is on my only concern would be the health

[00:08:12] issues I have struggled with beat all my life I struggled with PCOD all my life it's only in

[00:08:17] my 50s that I actively started taking steps to words you know rectifying yeah you work out

[00:08:23] so much I work out I'm on a healthy diet isn't I'm not the best example but I'm saying

[00:08:30] you can control this unless of course there's a thyroid issue which is or a medical issue

[00:08:36] you can control your weight if you want to why do you want to take shortcuts which will

[00:08:41] pinch the rest of your health your body and which will be long-term we don't have long-term

[00:08:46] data on osempic they have only five year data that's exactly it's the same way with our

[00:08:50] vaccines the COVID vaccines now they are finding blood clots people are dropping dead

[00:08:54] dead in their 40s and even sooner because now they realize that there was no long-term research

[00:08:59] my friend Udit pointed out a very interesting fact I love how Udit comes in all our podcasts

[00:09:06] hi Udit no he says very interesting he said it's your individual choice if you want to

[00:09:12] you know take the easy way out and you're too fond of eating and drinking to be bothered about

[00:09:16] you know working out and eating healthy but you also in the process of giving up these other things

[00:09:23] by this quick fix solution you're giving up the benefits of exercising right absolutely which is

[00:09:29] endorphins going on a walk is great for your mindfulness weight training is good for your

[00:09:35] bones good for your bones and eating within training your mind to eat right and eat healthy

[00:09:42] is a great way to tame your mind I mean it's so all of these things put together

[00:09:46] have their own many other benefits which actually frankly I had not even thought of

[00:09:50] it's a wonderful point and osempic does kill your appetite you don't feel like eating I read

[00:09:56] one person saying that she actually had to set timers to remind her to eat because

[00:10:00] she didn't feel hungry at all and she could go the entire day without eating while she was in

[00:10:04] osempic what is the point of life if you don't eat no I'm one is that definitely

[00:10:10] and your body needs nourishment you know this is the same thing Kiran when intermittent fasting

[00:10:16] started Indian health coaches and health gurus self-proclaimed most of them have no background in

[00:10:23] nutritional sciences started to copy paste western nutritionists and quoting them and

[00:10:31] encouraging their clients to go on intermittent fasting it became the fact that you know it

[00:10:37] continues to be there are apps that teach you how to do it and I personally because I love food

[00:10:44] and I'm obsessed with food actually so I thought okay in my mid 40s I'm you know bulking up a bit

[00:10:50] let me try this now it's not one size fits all and apparently for my kind of a body type I should

[00:10:56] have really not attempted it I started getting hot flashes and high acidity hard burn all

[00:11:02] sorts of things but if you speak to any of these guys they will find something else to blame it on

[00:11:07] because you know this cannot be right okay and a lot of young girls started going on intermittent

[00:11:14] fasting and what did that lead to calcium deficiencies um hyper acidity okay you know the

[00:11:21] hydrochloric acid is corrosive it starts coming in your upper tract it can perforate your

[00:11:28] lining lining of the stomach so so the thing is there's no accountability from people who preach

[00:11:35] this on instagram and nutritionists who prescribe it because there was no long-term research on that

[00:11:41] either I don't know about that but I must just add I've been doing if I think around 15 20 years

[00:11:48] now and it it was not if back then it was just Kiran Rath Kukhana ne katiye

[00:11:54] and why did you do it because I did I was too lazy to exercise I'm being very honest here

[00:12:01] and while I love food I'm not obsessed with food and I could I realized when I ate at night I felt

[00:12:07] very heavy and I did some reading up about autophagy and things like that and also realized

[00:12:11] why the Jains do not eat after sunset and that was so you should not eat after sunset I should

[00:12:16] not eat but you had three meals a day no I had two meals a day okay my last would be 130

[00:12:22] started this well in your 30s yeah in my 30s they're doing this at 16 no that's not good they're

[00:12:28] not yet fully grown they have no business even in your 20s you shouldn't be doing this if you do it

[00:12:33] at 35 40 no problem but even if you're doing if I think it's body type and what your body can adjust

[00:12:39] to it's all individual yeah you know the chemistry of your individual body with each diet you have

[00:12:45] to find what works for you yeah but having said all this I there's a nice side effect not connected

[00:12:52] to IFN fasting but the weight loss and ozempic and it being a diabetic drug my dear husband

[00:13:02] was prescribed a diabetic medication and he was also in a weight loss process because he was a little

[00:13:07] I see optimistically a little overweight he was very happy lost a lot of weight and rather quickly it

[00:13:16] was like a record weight loss the doctor was impressed we were all very impressed he was walking

[00:13:22] every day he was controlling his diet he'd gone off almost gone off alcohol tried stuff all the

[00:13:27] junk food very good very good tallya tallya was happening the diabetes went off sugar levels

[00:13:33] normally hb1 whatever whatever back to normal doctor said okay get off the medication the weight came

[00:13:40] back on very good not as much as before sure because also because his lifestyle became healthier I would

[00:13:46] imagine yeah not as much as before he put on around four five kilos back again and now for the life of

[00:13:51] him he can't dislodge them and he is agonizing what happened what did I do wrong yeah and now I

[00:13:56] know it's probably the medicine actually he needed that medication he needed I was in California

[00:14:01] recently and my cousin who lives in the US he is diabetic and he is on munger oh okay during the

[00:14:09] lockdown he was drinking there's this you know on swiggy or one of these food apps not swiggy but one

[00:14:15] of the food apps in the US you can you could order cocktails during the lockdown oh wonderful I

[00:14:19] like okay so if I brother was ordering three three cocktails every night okay all sugary cocktails

[00:14:27] and before you knew it his sugar had gone through the roof and he used to eat throughout the day

[00:14:32] because you know that's how people cope with the lockdown in different ways I did the same by the way

[00:14:36] I picked out throughout the day and he then had to be put on manjaro because his sugar was going

[00:14:43] through the roof and he was really not doing well now when I met him this time he told me that

[00:14:48] he eats one meal a day and I said would you not feel hungry he said I don't but the

[00:14:55] thing is because I was around him I tempted him into eating and drinking he said I don't even drink

[00:15:00] any longer but you know you're in California you'll have that one glass of wine and I said come on how

[00:15:04] can you not have good wine you're in California so but I mean that's besides the point but

[00:15:08] I've seen that in his case he he works out every single day even though he's got this

[00:15:16] ozampic or a mojaro working for him right so he's not surrendered to this one medicine

[00:15:22] and saying now I don't need to take care of my health he's doing his bit he's doing his bit and

[00:15:30] he says usually he eats one good-sized meal but the other meal is a healthy meal of you know like

[00:15:36] salads and fruits so he's eating really well in healthy way so there is some accountability

[00:15:43] there in the sense that even though he needs the he does require the drug and of course he has

[00:15:48] lost weight but if you're just doing it because that's a shortcut then it's just your health that's

[00:15:54] going to you know there are people taking this just to get into their outfits for their Shadi

[00:16:00] that's dangerous just to you know because they have some big event of function not worth it

[00:16:05] function coming up so six to eight weeks before they're busy getting this and they're sourcing

[00:16:11] it from abroad you know pancreatitis how do you pronounce it pancreatitis I can never say

[00:16:17] that's one of those things I can never we should have a app which you know very kindly you say a word

[00:16:22] and say how do you pronounce it and you pronounce it no I still can't say yeah a friend of mine has

[00:16:26] it and I keep saying how is your that pancreas thing the best it's like me not being able to spell

[00:16:32] diarrhea in my notes to school so I have to always say lose emotions oh dear god that's

[00:16:38] an old-fashioned right because it's a visual lose emotions is disgusting that's what our

[00:16:43] mums used to say but when you write notes in the calendar the kids calendar then you can't spell

[00:16:47] the word that you can cancel it too many times but you know it's like uh when we were growing up

[00:16:52] they were the pediatricians were called child specialists and the food doctor is called a

[00:16:58] podiatrist and for the longest time when I was growing up I was confused between the two because

[00:17:03] I wasn't a mother yet I wasn't married podiatrist pediatrician I love the baby digress

[00:17:08] but uh so where were we so I was just saying that uh we all understand vanity is something

[00:17:15] that is part of being a human being I guess we all want to look good or whatever but it's on up to

[00:17:22] the doctor that's on the doctors if they are not warning their patients I doubt very much these

[00:17:27] people are going to doctors and getting prescriptions they're just sourcing it I

[00:17:31] did the chemist in bandra I believe that chemist is the provider of a zempik yeah

[00:17:37] and he was me selling it at some fact margins compared to even what the US is doing but it's

[00:17:42] a matter of time before some Indian pharma company will pick it up but you know this Danish pharma

[00:17:47] company uh that produces zempik uh is the most valuable company of this the past one year

[00:17:56] it has overshot even Louis Vuitton that should tell you that this shaming and attaching a person

[00:18:05] self-worth to their body image body fat it's become worse than ever before

[00:18:13] worse in the age of Instagram and perfect images yeah because now see pharma companies are pushing

[00:18:18] this drug this drug is encouraging people or making people thinner you're going to see the next

[00:18:23] person's become thin you'll be tempted to take it and now this is a very very vicious and dangerous

[00:18:28] loop I would like to warn the women taking was zempik out there there is a phenomenon

[00:18:32] in known as zempik babies you become more fertile that's right so the but the the

[00:18:39] work control pill doesn't work right I don't know about that technically why you do you have some

[00:18:44] experience there haha no I I'm in terms of diabetic drugs helping you with your fertility

[00:18:50] I can give you a personal anecdote on that I had been trying to have a baby for many years

[00:18:55] I went recently another one no I'm done with my baby making I am like hot flashing now

[00:19:02] but when I was I went to two different doctors they put me to all sorts of treatments and

[00:19:07] very complicated stuff which I won't get into here then I went to Dr. Indira Hinduja

[00:19:13] and she suggested put me on a drug called metformin which is that's the basic drug for

[00:19:18] diabetes but you didn't have that I didn't have diabetes for whatever reasons known to her

[00:19:23] and that that point you know but not Google was not around it was around but I don't know why I

[00:19:29] didn't use it and you sort of trusted the doctor and kept him out shut you didn't ask too many

[00:19:34] questions later I realized that I conceived that very month with a very basic procedure called

[00:19:41] an IUI so I become more fertile that month metformin maybe the over you the time 30 32

[00:19:50] nice so maybe there's something to it these was mp babies must be there they're writing about it

[00:19:56] these days it's a side effect that we never expected but then imagine the US with the different

[00:20:00] states having those anti-abortion laws but I mean it's a recipe for disaster but my only

[00:20:06] thought is for women you're taking this to lose weight and then you get pregnant and then

[00:20:10] you have to struggle to lose weight even after the baby no they'll probably take it again

[00:20:14] unless by that time there is there are enough horror stories of people for whom it's not

[00:20:19] worked out there I mean I think whoever is tempted to take it and who can afford it please go on to

[00:20:25] YouTube and write was mp gone wrong and listen to firsthand testimonials

[00:20:33] it'll freak you out quite a bit or go look at Sharon Osborn's face but Kiran our attitudes

[00:20:39] as a race need to also change towards people who are obese or rather on the wrong side of

[00:20:47] the fat divide yeah fat divide because ultimately there are people who don't feel seen

[00:20:53] because they are overweight that's and when somebody loses weight I there was one woman

[00:21:00] who Oprah was interviewing on the same show and that women's they showed her before and after

[00:21:07] pictures it's a life-changing drug for her but of course she was like this wide absolutely

[00:21:13] and as a society I don't know why and when we will you know start calling stop calling people

[00:21:21] fatty or describe people based on because this is going to of course make it for us and Oprah

[00:21:26] being the poster girl she's called the Dieter in Chief of America okay so that is not good to

[00:21:32] help certainly but I think that there's a deeper message here this obsession of this

[00:21:39] entire human race with thin thinness so it's not going to change easily it's

[00:21:48] we've been through cycles we've been to phases in human history where women being plump was

[00:21:54] actually desirable yeah I long for that phase yeah I mean I was born at the wrong time in the

[00:21:59] wrong age about 100 years later yeah many hundred years later so all the Italian masters

[00:22:04] if you see Robins I mean lovely curvaceous voluptuous women and those who desire well

[00:22:10] so I am hoping that this is a phase the human race is going through and we'll grow out of it

[00:22:14] and the next phase will be nice curvaceous voluptuous women yeah right now even with men

[00:22:21] the obsession with fitness you see there's an underlying message when somebody is overweight

[00:22:28] which is that I'm slovenly and lazy and I don't I can't take charge of my own life yeah

[00:22:34] so I think that and therefore the shame they're feeling defeated I read a very interesting anecdote

[00:22:42] with Anil Ambani of course though now he's not in position of power so to speak

[00:22:47] some he was overweight and someone asked him and then he lost a lot of weight yeah he used to

[00:22:52] running up and down with his bodyguards bodyguards following him they asked him why did

[00:22:58] you start running he said I realized that when people I went abroad not so much in India

[00:23:03] people would not take me seriously as need as a corporate head because I was overweight this is it

[00:23:09] yeah so fitness to be in a position of power you also have to be fit but that's not a bad thing

[00:23:16] it's again evolutionary to survive in this world you need to be fit and to be fit then you need

[00:23:22] to look fit because it's going to increase your lifespan and that's going to influence your DNA

[00:23:26] which will pass on so again it applies to evolutionary psychology if you think of that

[00:23:31] it sort of does make sense but you know I was always a plump girl always a properly plump girl

[00:23:40] so was I who loves her food and every time I've lost weight it is not by starving at all even today

[00:23:48] before coming I've eaten two really large you know chajillas with a lot of vegetables and

[00:23:57] you know mangoes and that sort of a thing and come even as early as 12 noon we were to meet at 12 noon

[00:24:03] and I'm going to go back and eat something and I would have so I just feel that food nurtured

[00:24:07] the nourishes us food is not our enemy so this entire thing about being plump and being invisible

[00:24:13] when you're a young girl growing up the other side of the divide and if you're slightly plump

[00:24:20] you get grouped a lot really and they were good group okay maybe I don't know maybe

[00:24:26] well I told you boy so I was adolescent boy

[00:24:34] so I went through that entire phase when I really start myself down

[00:24:39] to the extent that I got aminorea and lost my periods for around six months that's scary

[00:24:45] and developed PCOD all because I was a little heavy on the top and I would get cropped everywhere

[00:24:51] so I can understand that need to you know bring your weight to a certain normal so that you fit

[00:24:57] in and you're not singled out sometimes what would you say to your younger self today after having

[00:25:02] gone through the side effects of poor health because of not eating adequately yeah and that

[00:25:07] of course led to my fertility issues also later please I think these are the conversations

[00:25:12] we need to have okay can I want to ask you this if you could go back in what would you

[00:25:17] say to your younger self today trying to fit in wanting to lose weight uh get off your button

[00:25:23] exercise yeah starving yourself is not the solution yeah it'll just ruin your health there are no

[00:25:30] shortcuts to this and your ability to conceive and your ability to lead a full life because

[00:25:35] you know by the way women who starve themselves get early onset of osteoporosis and by the way

[00:25:42] that's also another side effect of ozempic a potential side effect for ozempic osteoporosis

[00:25:48] that's scary see at the end of the day go to the gym do your weight training do your cardio

[00:25:52] yeah eat healthy eat healthy or go to the samosas and the vada vows and the pizza you can

[00:25:58] there's so many healthy alternatives today to eat and disclaimer again this is only for those

[00:26:03] who want to lose a certain amount of weight not for those who have medical conditions we are no

[00:26:08] doctors no of course people with medical conditions need this we are generally chatting as friends about

[00:26:14] this whole trend this would be scary trend yeah no shortcuts do it do it the hard way it'll

[00:26:19] last your life for sure