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[00:00:30] You are listening to the Next Best Picture Podcast and this is our review of the Fall Guy.

[00:00:55] Anyone but him. I didn't approve him. You know that.

[00:00:58] You are literally the last person on earth I want to see.

[00:01:01] It slapped the shit out of you. I really could and I'm open to that in a safer environment.

[00:01:07] You're gonna ghost. No phone call, no text.

[00:01:14] It's not like I didn't want to apologize. You don't have to explain anything. It was just a flame.

[00:01:19] So how have you been? That thumbs up Stunt Guy stuff.

[00:01:25] We're the director. We're gonna set this man on fire. We're a stunt guy. We need to keep it super profesh.

[00:01:31] Profesh is my middle name. You said your middle name was Danger.

[00:01:37] How'd we do boss?

[00:01:39] Really? Yeah. It's holstered. It's done. Forget you never saw it.

[00:01:44] Alright everybody, you were just listening to the trailer for The Fall Guy and the story is as follows.

[00:01:50] After leaving the business one year earlier,

[00:01:53] battle-scarred stuntman Colt Seavers brings back into action when the star of a big studio movie suddenly disappears.

[00:02:00] As the mystery surrounding the missing actor deepens,

[00:02:03] Colt soon finds himself ensnared in a sinister plot that pushes him to the edge of a fall more dangerous

[00:02:10] than any stunt. The film is starring Ryan Gosling, Emily Blunt, Winston Duke, Aaron Taylor Johnson,

[00:02:16] Hannah Waddingham and Stephanie Hsu.

[00:02:19] It is directed by David Leitch and written by Drew Pierce. Here to join me today for this podcast review

[00:02:27] I have Giovanni Lago.

[00:02:29] Hello.

[00:02:30] Cody Derricks.

[00:02:32] Hello.

[00:02:33] Josh Parham.

[00:02:34] Hello, hello.

[00:02:35] And Dan Baer.

[00:02:37] Mainlining Diet Coke just like Hannah Waddingham.

[00:02:41] Are you guys ready to stunt with me?

[00:02:44] Who wants to do some stunting?

[00:02:47] So The Fall Guy had its world premiere at the South by Southwest Film Festival.

[00:02:53] David Leitch, we've talked about him on the podcast before.

[00:02:57] Stuntman turned director.

[00:03:00] Launched the production studio 87 North where they have turned out

[00:03:06] so many great action films and some not so great, but the action itself is pretty good in general.

[00:03:14] Same thing with David Leitch's career. A lot of mixed opinions, I think, depending on who you ask.

[00:03:18] Some people really love Atomic Blonde, Deadpool 2, Fast and Furious, Hobbs and Shaw,

[00:03:24] Bullet Train, other people.

[00:03:27] Maybe not so much. And with The Fall Guy,

[00:03:30] this feels in many ways,

[00:03:33] you know, very fitting alongside David Leitch's other films and that it's a big studio production.

[00:03:39] It's meant to market to all four quadrants. It's supposed to be light. It's supposed to be fun.

[00:03:45] It's a movie that features

[00:03:48] practical stunts with some supporting visual effects.

[00:03:51] I don't want to say that this movie has

[00:03:53] zero CGI or anything like that.

[00:03:56] We can see that there is some visual effects enhancement at times here, but there is an emphasis on

[00:04:04] action filmmaking that you get from films from the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s before computers

[00:04:11] became so prevalent in our moviemaking.

[00:04:15] So,

[00:04:16] capitalizing on the success of Barbenheimer, you have Ryan Gosling, Emily Blunt hot off of their Oscar nominations for

[00:04:24] Oppenheimer and Barbie leading this film.

[00:04:27] What do we think of it? We're going to get into it and

[00:04:31] we are going to talk spoilers, people. So if you have not seen the movie,

[00:04:35] please

[00:04:36] go see it. Come back later. Listen to our discussion. Starting off first with

[00:04:41] Dan Bayer because you were at the world premiere of the first ever screening for The Fall Guy.

[00:04:47] So you got that full Fall Guy

[00:04:50] experience, that sugar rush high. What did you think of this movie?

[00:04:56] This movie is fun and seeing it with that South by Southwest crowd at the first

[00:05:02] screening of the world premiere was a lot of fun.

[00:05:07] They also like did a

[00:05:10] whole production

[00:05:12] before the

[00:05:14] screening on the street outside the theater with like

[00:05:18] motorcyclists running by doing stunts and

[00:05:23] Emily and Ryan made their entrance in like the

[00:05:27] back of this like

[00:05:29] pickup truck that zoomed down the street. It was

[00:05:33] really cool, but it kind of reinforced

[00:05:37] my big problem with the movie, which is that it

[00:05:42] feels very much like a piece of corporate Hollywood

[00:05:48] product.

[00:05:50] And it's fun

[00:05:53] and the stunts are so cool, but it's very clearly been

[00:05:59] engineered to

[00:06:02] get the kind of response that you have seeing it

[00:06:06] have sitting and watching it. And because of that, I think people's reactions to it are going to

[00:06:14] vary.

[00:06:15] It's not for me

[00:06:17] like the

[00:06:19] best of David Leitch's films, which is Atomic Blonde, which feels like a real

[00:06:25] unique

[00:06:26] vision and kind of artistic statement because like everything in that movie is like there were aesthetic choices

[00:06:34] made in that movie and in this it's just kind of like everything is very

[00:06:40] slick and

[00:06:42] well directed, well produced.

[00:06:45] And the thing that saves it is the fact that

[00:06:49] David Leitch just really fucking loves stunt work and this thing is

[00:06:56] just

[00:06:57] unabashedly romantic about

[00:06:59] moviemaking in general but stunt work specifically.

[00:07:03] And that romanticism carries over to the romance,

[00:07:07] which you know,

[00:07:09] Emily

[00:07:10] Blund and Ryan Gosling are

[00:07:14] screw everything that you've heard about the death of the movie stars and that how there are no more movie stars than Hollywood.

[00:07:20] These two in this movie put the light to that completely.

[00:07:24] And it's because in large part of them and yeah, just the

[00:07:30] unabashed romanticism of this movie that it works and is as fun and enjoyable as it is.

[00:07:37] All right. All right. You know judging by the box office right now,

[00:07:42] I mean we haven't gotten official numbers for its opening weekend yet, but

[00:07:46] maybe on that level the movie star argument

[00:07:49] is true, but

[00:07:51] I will admit yes in terms of the way that these two command the screen and command your attention while watching the film.

[00:07:58] Two absolute giant movie stars for sure.

[00:08:01] Giovanni Lago, what did you think of the fall guy?

[00:08:04] Um, it's a fun watch

[00:08:07] if I

[00:08:09] gonna get deeper than that then it kind of falls apart. I think David Leitch is

[00:08:14] you know, really hinging on just Ryan Gosling being Ryan Gosling and

[00:08:19] doing his shtick which is great. It's like the time now that we've seen Ryan Gosling finally

[00:08:25] quote unquote being his movie star era where he's like the leading guy of like a big budget action film like this.

[00:08:32] That's not the great man. We don't talk about that, but um,

[00:08:37] and he's like stepping in he's fun and he's charming and he's as magnetic as he is effortless

[00:08:43] and him and Blunt together are just

[00:08:46] the charisma is off the charts.

[00:08:48] But that being said I think Leitch

[00:08:50] overly relies on just how much you can get away with just them being charming and

[00:08:54] everything else just falls into place because I mean the story is probably

[00:08:59] as thin as like an episode of the show it's loosely based on

[00:09:03] the actions solid for a movie that talks about

[00:09:07] um, and a lot of reactions have gone out the it's the ode to the stunt men, you know,

[00:09:11] to the people behind the camera

[00:09:14] who make the unimaginable happen and to a degree. I think that's true.

[00:09:18] There is a passion you can sense obviously, you know Leitch uh stunt

[00:09:23] boatman turned director

[00:09:25] but also the film weirdly also harps on it's like, you know, what's the most important thing directing like directing so important directing's this

[00:09:32] You gotta direct and it kind of like where's this

[00:09:35] Love to the stunt man. I feel besides just having really cool stunts which are cool

[00:09:41] um, I don't think also that the action or any of it really picks up till

[00:09:46] The karaoke scene I think everything before there's a whole sequence where Ryan Gosling is like on drugs fighting

[00:09:52] And i'm like this is kind of not great besides just Gosling

[00:09:56] It does pick up for a bit and then by the end it has the bullet train effect where

[00:10:00] This movie should have ended like 20 minutes ago. Why is this still going?

[00:10:05] Other than that, I don't know. I feel like maybe I was just overhyped for me

[00:10:08] I know, you know south by had a lot of films this year where everyone was like

[00:10:13] This is the greatest thing ever and then by the time they've come out. It's just

[00:10:16] Sure. All right, and I think this is another victim of that for me

[00:10:20] But I guess it's a little bit better than bullet train, but it feels it's just like a different flavor of the same thing

[00:10:27] Alrighty

[00:10:29] Let's hear next now from cody derricks

[00:10:33] So the fall guy I went into this with I don't want to say high expectations

[00:10:36] But the reaction from the premiere was quite good and I was a little surprised to hear that this movie that frankly

[00:10:42] I was not charmed by the trailer at all

[00:10:45] Was getting the kind of reaction from people from movie fans, especially who were saying you gotta go see this movie

[00:10:50] You know Ryan Gosling is charming. It's got great action. It's fun

[00:10:54] and so

[00:10:55] I was a little disappointed to

[00:10:59] See that besides Ryan Gosling. I didn't really agree with any of those notes

[00:11:03] I think the movie to geo's point is totally reliant on

[00:11:07] Gosling's charm and ability as the movie star and without him this movie absolutely collapses

[00:11:13] I think the thing about the stunts is they are impressively pulled off but for

[00:11:19] Whatever reason I don't know if it's david leach's style or what but I did not think they were captured

[00:11:25] Well by his camera, which is really odd when it's constantly being said like within the movie and in the marketing and the meta

[00:11:33] And the intro that this is the ode to the stunt man

[00:11:35] This is about this great stunts of hollywood people who've been doing this since the you know

[00:11:40] buster keaton era and I just did not think the stunts were captured in a way that really

[00:11:46] Sold that affection for the profession to the point where the end credits have all this behind the scenes footage of these amazing

[00:11:53] Stunts and I was more impressed with how they looked just from these, you know, barely edited

[00:11:59] Non-accentuated by editing or di

[00:12:03] Shots of these stunts and that's really mind-boggling to me in a movie. That's again

[00:12:09] Supposed to be all about how great stunts are and what it takes to pull them off

[00:12:13] I loved all the detail we saw in the movie to

[00:12:16] How the characters have to work with these stunts, which is obviously based on real life, you know

[00:12:20] stuff about how to roll a car and the details of the sand that they're driving on and

[00:12:26] How you know big falls work things like that

[00:12:29] I just as a movie lover find fascinating and that's where I think the true affection lies where you see the behind-the-scenes craft

[00:12:36] For these stuntmen and stunt women, but again, I just did not think the actual

[00:12:41] Stunts that were being pulled off which are obviously spectacular

[00:12:45] Looked very good. It diminishes their impact when they're shot poorly, which is really disappointing

[00:12:51] I again I come back to Ryan Gosling and I weirdly do hope that this movie is a hit based on his

[00:12:56] star power because he's the kind of

[00:12:59] Once-in-a-lifetime movie star who deserves to have that impact on the culture in the box office

[00:13:04] So i'm hoping it's a hit but yeah, it was I was pretty let down by the fall guy

[00:13:09] All right

[00:13:11] We got a couple people who have fallen down

[00:13:14] We've heard a couple of blunt

[00:13:17] responses

[00:13:20] Now to see how much we end up duking it out Josh parm. What did you think of the fall guy?

[00:13:27] Well, first off I hate you for that mat just want that on the record

[00:13:34] Secondly I thought the fall guy was

[00:13:38] Fine, it was mildly entertaining which I kind of find to be the case with most of david leach's movies

[00:13:45] I find him to be the king of what I call the tnt movie

[00:13:50] Which is that film that when we all had cable you would just be flipping channels on like a

[00:13:55] You know dull sunday afternoon and it's like oh this movie's already started on tnt for like

[00:14:00] 20 30 minutes and I got something in the oven that I need to distract my attention like

[00:14:04] He is the king of that kind of a movie

[00:14:06] And yes, that's perfect

[00:14:08] I find that the fall guy basically fits within that where

[00:14:13] I don't think that it's a great film. I think that the actual plot that it is

[00:14:19] Trying to explore like yes, I understand. It's not meant to be that

[00:14:24] That engaging but I still found it to be like not really interesting at all

[00:14:28] And then when we do get to the revelation of this mystery

[00:14:32] It just one is pretty bland and also doesn't make any sense with what they're trying to do

[00:14:37] Like I feel like it would be very easily

[00:14:39] Disproven so I wasn't invested in that at all

[00:14:43] I agree that ryan gosselin is like the main attraction here

[00:14:46] And I think that he is so incredibly charming and so funny in this movie that even in the moments when

[00:14:52] I was struggling to connect with it. I think he does such a magnificent job

[00:14:56] Of bringing me back in just by his screen presence

[00:15:00] And I think he is so good in this movie that that and I agree with cody that

[00:15:05] There are times when I do find myself not really appreciating the stunt work

[00:15:10] Even though that's the whole objective of this movie because of the way that it is shot and yeah you mentioning the

[00:15:17] Behind the scenes real at the end. Yeah, those

[00:15:20] Looked more impressive than some of the things that were actually in the movie

[00:15:23] Which was very very bizarre, but I still found that those sequences were impressive

[00:15:28] I still think that it's fun in the moment to

[00:15:32] To watch them and like for the most part

[00:15:35] I feel like I barely lean positive on it because in the moment I found myself being entertained

[00:15:41] It has no staying power at all. It to me. It is a movie that is very disposable

[00:15:46] but like

[00:15:48] As i'm watching it. I had a good enough time with what I was watching

[00:15:52] And I think a lot of that again is because of gosselin if he wasn't in this the movie would just fall apart completely

[00:15:58] So because of that

[00:15:59] I would like mildly recommend it, but it's not a very strong one for me. I don't think that this is a

[00:16:06] Great movie. It's just one that you you'll have a decent time with but kind of quickly forget about it afterwards

[00:16:12] Yeah, it's a shame that this is

[00:16:15] To me a good movie when I think it really should have been a great movie

[00:16:22] I agree with a lot that has been said here in that

[00:16:26] The thing that got me through this movie was just how goddamn

[00:16:32] Unabashedly romantic it was and i'm not talking about

[00:16:36] Gosselin and blunts romance in this movie. No, no, no, no. I'm talking david leach's love

[00:16:43] for

[00:16:44] stunt men and women

[00:16:46] For action filmmaking that is just so much on display in this movie and because it is a meta

[00:16:53] Oh, it's a movie about making a movie like almost an atropic thunder sort of way

[00:16:58] I still found myself having

[00:17:01] Fun with it, but I also found myself almost at war with it too because it is so goofy. The plot is absolutely

[00:17:10] Preposterous

[00:17:12] It's so ridiculous and it makes absolutely no sense and within any context of reality

[00:17:19] I just couldn't like there were there were so many moments as the plot was going on where I just found myself

[00:17:25] Asking this wouldn't like this would never happen and if it isn't gonna happen and it is going to be exaggerated and silly

[00:17:32] What is the commentary here?

[00:17:34] You know, and so we we we could talk about that if you all have, you know

[00:17:38] Your own opinions on that but it just didn't mean anything to me outside of

[00:17:44] wow

[00:17:45] Blunt and Gosling are movie stars david leach really loves stunts

[00:17:49] I really love stunts. I think gosselin and blunt are movie stars. This movie was giving me a lot of bare

[00:17:56] Minimum here and it really wasn't going above and beyond to do much more than that

[00:18:02] I'm almost surprised to even hear geo when I heard the tnt reaction like geo

[00:18:07] This should be like your kind of movie, you know

[00:18:10] Yeah, and the fact that you are having the kind of reaction to it

[00:18:14] I feel a very similar way like I wanted to love this. I really really wanted to love this like

[00:18:21] full non-stop

[00:18:23] Unconditional god to his children love, you know

[00:18:26] That's what I wanted for this and I feel like it comes really really close at times

[00:18:31] It does for me at least

[00:18:33] but what keeps holding it back is just

[00:18:35] I

[00:18:37] Really think and I mean this with all the loving care in the world because from everything that i've heard

[00:18:41] I've heard the guy is really great. And you know what?

[00:18:44] I don't think he makes

[00:18:45] Bad movies. I just think he makes movies that are always on the precipice of being great and they just fall short of greatness

[00:18:52] David leach is not a great director

[00:18:56] He's a good director. You have to be a good director in order to pull off

[00:19:02] Action like this so i'll give him

[00:19:05] Credit for this you may not enjoy it. Like I know a lot of people who really dislike bullet train

[00:19:10] but

[00:19:12] There's a level of craft

[00:19:14] that goes into

[00:19:16] Making these action scenes the way that he does that you can't deny that the guy's got talent

[00:19:22] I think that he's just limited by

[00:19:25] The script that he's working with and to dan's point earlier

[00:19:29] He seems to have gotten lost I think in wanting to craft movies that are going to be pleasing to a broad audience

[00:19:37] Rather than putting his own directorial stamp on it the way that say his buddy chad stahelski

[00:19:45] Was able to do with each passing john wick film where they kept getting better and better and better

[00:19:52] here, I feel like david leach is

[00:19:55] Kind of always just making the same movie over and over again, and I don't mean that in terms of plot

[00:20:01] I don't mean that in terms of character. Those are very very different movies

[00:20:04] But in terms of his vision his voice his directorial stamp

[00:20:09] There is really not much outside of this guy just loves

[00:20:15] stunt work and practical action

[00:20:18] That makes me look at his movies and go. Oh, that's a david leach film

[00:20:23] That's david leach's visual style. That's david leach's directorial

[00:20:28] Vision that i'm seeing up on the screen and you know, i'll compare it to something like

[00:20:33] Zack snider who love him or hate him

[00:20:36] The guy has a very distinct vision and visual style

[00:20:41] And that is parodied here in this movie through this fake movie that jodie is making here metal storm

[00:20:48] And I mean at least that's what I thought it was it was like a mixture of that and dune and star wars and a bunch

[00:20:54] Of other things

[00:20:55] But like at the same time I kept thinking this is like their version of making like what a zack snider film

[00:21:02] Is supposed to look like right but but the fall guy just doesn't have that

[00:21:07] Distinction to it to make it truly stand out to make it special

[00:21:11] What it ends up being instead is an enjoyable?

[00:21:15] easily digestible

[00:21:17] Hollywood action film that lives and breathes on

[00:21:21] ryan gosling's charisma

[00:21:24] and

[00:21:25] Yeah, man. I i'm sorry. I'm a sucker

[00:21:27] I'm I really am I am a sucker and I am going to give this movie brownie points for its reverence and respect

[00:21:33] that it shows towards the stunt community because we've been saying now for

[00:21:38] How many years especially over the last what three?

[00:21:42] That

[00:21:43] Stunt men and women need to be recognized more often within the community and you know

[00:21:47] Whether that's giving them an oscar or what it is like

[00:21:50] These are people who lay their lives down on the line for our entertainment and

[00:21:55] I'm glad that this film exists just for the sole

[00:21:59] Fact that it's bringing more awareness to

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[00:22:34] It is probably one of the better bits of the film when they acknowledge that like oh sir

[00:22:39] You guys are so good or the drug dealer. He's like you you guys get oscars right in gosselin with just like no

[00:22:44] Just like it's pan delivery and just them like lingering on that

[00:22:48] Um, so there are touches about that you talk about like how it's something

[00:22:53] I would like you know

[00:22:54] I think josh's tnt comparison is like the greatest thing ever because that's exactly what bullet train was it's always on tnt

[00:23:02] And i'm not going to say like I hated the movie. I think the movie starts off like really well like that one

[00:23:08] Wanner where like gosselin is running up and they're prepping

[00:23:11] I just by the time the movie ends with all the action

[00:23:14] I would have preferred like just seeing a rom-com of just

[00:23:18] Blunts and gosselin and then just working in the industry and that dynamic compared to just a full-blown action flick

[00:23:24] Yeah, I think like there is something to what you said matt about how

[00:23:29] You know how much the movie loves the stunt community and stunts in general and I get that but it's also like

[00:23:39] It frustrating because if the movie was like really

[00:23:43] A love letter to stunt people like why don't you have stunt people in your lead roles?

[00:23:52] Well, that's I think going to him wanting to please studio executives right exactly that kind of broad entertainment. Yeah

[00:23:59] Exactly, and that's the kind of thing where i'm like this movie. It's just it feels

[00:24:04] too

[00:24:05] Manufactured to be as enjoyable as it should be

[00:24:09] Because like everything is like it's almost like it's too perfect. You know, it's like those

[00:24:15] Those perfectionists who like everything has to be in the exact right place and they clearly you know are doing it because

[00:24:23] of love for whatever it is they're doing but it kind of takes the

[00:24:30] Emotion or excitement out of it a little because it's just so just so

[00:24:37] I will give props to

[00:24:39] Gosling and whatever suits it universal made this happen, but

[00:24:45] The marketing for this film has done a pretty good job on talk shows and audience q&a screenings of getting the real life stuntmen

[00:24:53] Out and in front of people to talk about their work on the film

[00:24:57] So I really I really do appreciate that part of it at the at the very least

[00:25:02] Um hell there's even a part of me that wishes that we could interview some of the stunt people who worked on this movie

[00:25:08] That's how much I think they're integral to this film success and are being featured in a way that you don't normally see

[00:25:15] Stunt performers get featured in the marketing for a film

[00:25:18] But yes, I agree with you maybe getting some of them in front of the camera could have lent this movie a hook

[00:25:25] that would have

[00:25:27] Differentiated itself from other action movies out there. Yeah, like I kept wondering throughout the whole movie

[00:25:32] I'm like where is zoe bell and why is she not leading this movie?

[00:25:39] You know, I think the other problem is just david leitch's

[00:25:43] Whole aesthetic is very produced and slick and I think for a movie that's about stunt people

[00:25:50] I kind of feel like you need

[00:25:52] a

[00:25:54] You need a feeling that is a little bit rougher

[00:25:56] I think to kind of really put you in those moments where it feels like it's real in front of you and more

[00:26:01] Dangerous to a certain extent and I just don't ever feel that with his movies his

[00:26:07] films have always felt very

[00:26:09] as I said very slickly produced and

[00:26:12] Meant for broad entertainment and I mean honestly it feels like the guy who made atomic blonde is like

[00:26:18] Far far in the past from

[00:26:20] The one who's making movies right now

[00:26:22] And I think that's the problem that I have with the way that some of these action sequences are captured that yes

[00:26:29] You can definitely see all the hard work that went into them and all of that

[00:26:33] And all of that is on the screen, but there's just something in the way that they are shot the way that they are

[00:26:39] Kind of cut together. We mentioned the karaoke scene and while I think there are many impressive

[00:26:46] moments in that sequence, I think the fact that we keep cutting back to emily blunt doing karaoke just really

[00:26:52] disrupts the rhythm of that big sequence and so I had a hard time even appreciating that because like yeah

[00:26:58] Let's just stay here. Why are we getting away from it?

[00:27:01] And I think that there are a lot of decisions to film these sequences that end up like that where they are impressive on their own

[00:27:08] But for whatever reason the way that they are presented to us just doesn't seem the most impactful

[00:27:14] That present day didn't especially really baffle me

[00:27:17] There's a lot of moments where things kind of just happen and are not underlined or

[00:27:22] emphasized by the movie as being important or

[00:27:25] Relevant to what's happening and i'm not sure how to feel about them. There's one moment where

[00:27:29] Ryan gosselin's characters and erin chela johnson's apartment and a woman pops out with a sword kind of out of nowhere

[00:27:36] And it just happens and the music keeps playing which was playing before this happened

[00:27:41] So i'm not quite sure how to feel here. Is this funny? Is this scary? Is this actually a threat?

[00:27:47] Are they just playing are those real swords things that are slowly revealed later?

[00:27:51] I was gonna say like how is it that the sword is cutting through stuff and then it's revealed later that it's a prop

[00:27:56] Sword. Yeah, like don't worry about it

[00:27:58] It's just and it just i'm not sure how to feel about that and the same with like the drug sequence

[00:28:02] It's like is this funny? Is this threatening what's going on?

[00:28:05] It's funny at first but it goes on for far too long. Yeah, there's only so many unicorn

[00:28:11] Uh jokes I could take before it starts to wear off. I will admit though

[00:28:16] I will admit

[00:28:18] When he started fighting the goons in the club

[00:28:21] I got flashbacks to scott pilgrim versus the world during that moment

[00:28:25] Yeah, but it's like one of those things where like if you're going to do something like this then go all the way

[00:28:32] Make it big and cartoony throw a little batman. Wham or kablao or whatever in there

[00:28:38] Like it was already doing that. I mean

[00:28:41] Kind of like okay. There's a little explosion of white stars

[00:28:46] You know like it just like if you're going it just felt like it was kind of doing the bare minimum

[00:28:52] I guess well, but this also like just goes back to what I was saying earlier too, which is that

[00:28:58] I and I think that this just holds very very true for david leach in general is that

[00:29:03] He's a fine director. Like I said, you can't pull off movies like this without having some semblance of skill

[00:29:11] But he's not a great director

[00:29:13] And I think a great director if i'm like, you know using some of these examples that we've cited here to just like illustrate this more

[00:29:20] I think a great director would have taken like that eight and a half

[00:29:23] Canon roll that that car does that they talk about so much in the marketing of this film

[00:29:27] And they mention it's a guinness book world record of canon rolls. It's impressive as hell

[00:29:33] Why?

[00:29:34] Is the shot coverage?

[00:29:36] Done between a couple I don't even know how many camera angles there are but it seems like it's utilizing every single one

[00:29:43] Why am I not watching that entire eight and a half canon rolls in a single like master like we do in the end credits

[00:29:49] Right. Yeah, and it looks better right like like and you know what a great director would have found the perfect angle

[00:29:56] to to capture that and they would have let that play out for us to

[00:30:01] Really really soak in the grandeur of that moment

[00:30:06] instead, you know v scenes they get chopped up to pieces and

[00:30:11] It just feels like and listen, it's not chopped up the way like

[00:30:14] You know some really poorly edited action films are chopped up

[00:30:19] but I do think that

[00:30:21] unlike say the mission impossible films or

[00:30:24] John wick chapter four which I always feel like i'm referencing now on this podcast nowadays

[00:30:28] Um, they really do like pull the camera back

[00:30:32] And let you see for long extended takes what is actually happening within the action

[00:30:38] And we get so lost in it as a result where here I feel like the immersion is constantly getting broken by something

[00:30:46] The entire movie is something that is good on paper

[00:30:50] and then in execution there's just something

[00:30:54] missing

[00:30:55] Like it's

[00:30:57] I think sometimes it just gets a little too cutesy like the scene with the split screen scene

[00:31:05] when they're also like talking about using the screen in movies and like

[00:31:11] Okay, oh see now I actually I actually like that because it's like gun

[00:31:16] Blunt that's what i'm gonna do. I'm gonna call him blunt from now on

[00:31:19] Gosling and hemley blunt really sell I think that moment the same way that they sell the scene where

[00:31:25] she's having him constantly do the

[00:31:27] Get you get it get yourself lit on fire and thrown into the rock over and over

[00:31:31] And she's telling him about the script and it's a stand-in for their life. Yeah, that scene is so good

[00:31:36] But for me like the split screen scene

[00:31:39] Well for one thing it just goes on and on and on like long past the point where it starts being funny and like

[00:31:47] For a long time

[00:31:48] the funniest thing in that scene was the

[00:31:52] Prop alien hand that emily blunt just like randomly put on

[00:31:58] And whatever business she was doing with that was so much more interesting to me than the actual content of the scene

[00:32:07] itself

[00:32:08] I think also to dance point, you know a lot of the humor in the movie of it

[00:32:13] some of it is

[00:32:15] Feels like if it wasn't

[00:32:16] Gosling or blunt like workshopping it with each other and felt like natural it doesn't really land

[00:32:23] I feel like there's certain bits where like

[00:32:25] The coffee is a good running gag of gosselin constantly trying to make a cup of coffee and it never works

[00:32:31] Like certain things like that isn't doesn't really play out to and you were mentioning this cutesy like funny

[00:32:36] Style that leech is trying to do because it's an action comedy compared to something like I know

[00:32:41] Matt mentions the stolesky and john wick four

[00:32:44] But like I mean undoubtedly you're going to mention it because a it came out recently and b the history of these

[00:32:49] Two directors in that franchise but at least with that style and stolesky sensibilities. He uses

[00:32:55] The action to tell the comedy especially in a more physical manner through here

[00:33:00] It's more so like how many movies can we reference as like a joke?

[00:33:04] And some of it's funny like gosselin messing up like nodding hill and pretty woman is like a good bit

[00:33:09] So like quoting less than boheekins to each other while he throws to tomahawk

[00:33:13] It's funny, but then other times i'm like, okay

[00:33:16] And I think also weirdly tied to the blunt of gosselin thing for a movie that works so well

[00:33:22] When they're together they're a part for a lot of the movie and it feels like there's these scenes like that phone sequence

[00:33:28] That are just like okay. We need just more of them interacting with each other

[00:33:33] How do we come up with something compared to like again the alien scene when they're catching on fire?

[00:33:37] It's probably one of the better scenes of the film works because they're there and they're just going off phone or not

[00:33:43] I mean, I also hate to that gosselings whole hang up in this movie for

[00:33:48] why

[00:33:49] He and uh, emily blunt

[00:33:51] colt and jodie are apart now is because

[00:33:55] He's just having typical guy problems of being unable to articulate his emotions

[00:34:00] And I feel there comes a point in the movie where he does that early on

[00:34:05] And yet they're still like not together and it feels like the movie is just like drawing out

[00:34:12] How long can we keep them separated? How long can we keep this tension between them when in the back of my mind?

[00:34:17] I'm like he kind of already said he was sorry and admitted why he was gone

[00:34:21] Like why is this still an issue for either one of them, you know?

[00:34:25] And I I just think that the movie from a script level

[00:34:28] You know just ran out of ideas and was worried about making these

[00:34:33] Meta humorous jokes about the movie industry and other movies like you said geo and

[00:34:39] It just feels like it's this screenplay really could have used. I think another pass to just make it

[00:34:47] Tighter because whoever said earlier but this movie by the time you get to the end you're like, okay

[00:34:52] It's been fun. Yeah, you know, it's been fun people but you know, we're ready to go home

[00:34:57] I definitely felt that way while watching this movie too where I was even getting worried at a certain point

[00:35:02] Like how much time is left here? You know train all over again

[00:35:08] Like it's that like whole 20 minute section where they're like, okay, we got to confront spoilers for bullet train

[00:35:13] I'm sorry. If like you haven't seen one of the greatest tnt films ever

[00:35:17] um

[00:35:18] When the whole train sequence when they're confronting michael shannon, it's like oh my god

[00:35:22] Like there's still more to this and by like the time, you know

[00:35:25] We already said small boys for fall guy

[00:35:28] The whole plot is revealed and everything and they come back on set and as them trying to

[00:35:32] expose to

[00:35:33] Aaron taylor tom rider, you know as aaron taylor johnson's character's name and hannah waddingham's producer for the whole

[00:35:40] plots of framing, um

[00:35:43] Ryan gosselin's character, you know, it feels like by that time. It's just like okay. Let's go

[00:35:47] What are we doing? Let's wrap it up. And then even when it wraps up

[00:35:50] You're just like

[00:35:51] All right

[00:35:52] Like sure I guess like it feels like there's just no other way the movie can end by the time

[00:35:56] Like it gets to that conclusion. It's just like sure

[00:35:59] It's like they try to pass off that cold severs was

[00:36:03] Killed

[00:36:04] And it's like thank god. They like don't try to pull a wool over the audience's eyes with that and they actually like tell you

[00:36:11] Upfront no, no, no, he's okay. He's swimming in the water. He made it

[00:36:15] Because by that point in the movie I was like, um, I feel like the movie's peaked

[00:36:19] You know, we we've uncovered now this mastermind air quotes plot that hannah waddingham and aaron taylor

[00:36:25] Air flows on that. Yeah

[00:36:28] I'm putting it over here and it's like

[00:36:31] I don't care because what what are you trying to say? Are you just trying to say actors who?

[00:36:36] Don't respect stump people

[00:36:38] Are bad. Okay fine. Like we kind of already know that because without saying like, I don't know

[00:36:43] It's like what is this movie trying to say?

[00:36:47] And you know the whole love letter to stunt men and women is all nice and all

[00:36:50] I appreciate that and it goes a long way for me

[00:36:54] But I just needed this movie to be about

[00:36:57] Something more or at least have something insightful or clever to say about the movie industry when what it's telling us is stuff that we already know

[00:37:06] It's stuff

[00:37:06] We know and also just feels like this movie weirdly for a plot

[00:37:12] That is kind of thin is over stuffed like it does feel like there's way too much

[00:37:17] That they put into this movie to get the plot going when the resolution is

[00:37:23] Very straightforward and not that interesting and when you even look at it more

[00:37:27] It's like doesn't even make that much sense and

[00:37:30] And I understand like it's supposed to be a silly movie. The plot doesn't need to be that complicated

[00:37:35] I I understand that but I just also feel like there's so much

[00:37:40] build up to that plot and and to

[00:37:43] What those particular pieces of the story are meant to mean that when we get to the end it does sort of feel like oh

[00:37:51] That's it

[00:37:51] Like that's what we have spent so much of this time focusing on and it doesn't really

[00:37:56] Amount to anything that seems that substantial and like if that's the case then I feel like this should have been streamlined

[00:38:02] A great deal, you know like stephanie shu pops up for some reason

[00:38:07] Waste and whatever that thing for one scene

[00:38:10] Yeah, god and what she contributes to the plot it felt like another thing that that yeah

[00:38:15] She contributes nothing but it also felt like it was another scene that came in when it was a big tone shift

[00:38:22] That's my memory of it and it just was like so out of place and it was a lead-up to another action sequence

[00:38:26] I get it. But it's just so many

[00:38:30] Steps in this narrative that feels like this is not necessary and you're just over stuffing a story

[00:38:36] That doesn't need it that needs to be streamlined so that we can just enjoy the silly displays

[00:38:42] The dog was funny though. Jean-Claude attack. Yeah

[00:38:47] I love love

[00:38:49] It also feels like the film was using the stupidity of the villain as an excuse because yes, the plot is stupid and

[00:38:57] To josh's point both overly complicated and thin which is kind of an amazing achievement if you think about it

[00:39:05] But it gets away with it or handwaves it by being like well

[00:39:07] Yeah, aaron taylor johnson is dumb and he's an idiot and blah blah blah

[00:39:10] He's gonna over complicate his life. Look at all the post-it notes

[00:39:13] but it does not make me feel satisfied as an audience member to be kind of

[00:39:17] Confounded and feel like my intelligence is being tested and you know hannah wantingham here

[00:39:23] I I love her. I do I love her on ted lasso. I love her as a person in general. She's fantastic

[00:39:29] but this is just such a

[00:39:32] Blandly written character. I think she overdoes it in almost every scene that she's in too. God bless her

[00:39:38] That's I don't really blame her. It's also like the biggest case of

[00:39:44] Law and order or itis where like whoever is the biggest name on the guest starring list is the person who done it?

[00:39:52] Yeah, and you're like looking through the movie. I'm like, well, I guess she's the mastermind because who else would it be?

[00:39:58] But also too like and maybe i'm reading too much into this too does david leach

[00:40:03] Have any bad blood with any producers? He's worked with in the past or

[00:40:07] Does he I don't know like, you know, and that's what I mean is like maybe there's nothing to read into here

[00:40:12] but if there isn't I just feel like there's such a missed opportunity here with more

[00:40:18] commentary on the industry for example, this movie actually does bring up some of the dangers of ai

[00:40:25] And how deep fake?

[00:40:28] Replacements can work to frame someone for murder and it's like why are we not talking about this which was stupid

[00:40:36] I know i'm sorry, but like nobody would be fooled by that deep fake. It is unbelievably stupid

[00:40:42] Oh, no, I I completely agree with you

[00:40:44] We're not there in the visual effects technology where it could ever be convincing it even on a shitty cell phone

[00:40:50] Video, but at the same time I was like you're bringing this up

[00:40:54] Expand upon it do something with it

[00:40:57] Yeah, I mean that was just like a reason to frame him for the murder

[00:41:02] Like that's why that was introduced which I thought was just so so dumb like that like again

[00:41:07] I understand the movie's very silly

[00:41:09] You shouldn't take it seriously

[00:41:10] But that was like a step too far for me like honestly if they had not done that

[00:41:14] But just showed the the footage of him leaving the hotel room, which was so funny. I love

[00:41:19] Gossip

[00:41:23] And that was all I needed like that was all the evidence that you would need to present the audience of them trying to frame

[00:41:28] Him he's just leaving the scene of the murder like that's it

[00:41:31] It would have been fine and I would have accepted it

[00:41:33] But then to go the extra step to then use the deep fake technology

[00:41:36] It's like that that that pulls me out because that I can't suspend my disbelief for that part of your story

[00:41:43] and there are a lot of stuff like that where it just seems like they included it and

[00:41:48] Yes, it's still in the framework of being in this very ridiculous setting

[00:41:52] But it's kind of a step too far and they they kind of overplayed their hand a little bit

[00:41:56] It genuinely feels like they kind of added that later

[00:42:01] after the whole ai discussion blew up

[00:42:06] So that they could be more topical somehow

[00:42:09] They watched the last mission of possible and they're like we got to talk about it

[00:42:14] Okay

[00:42:17] So I want to ask about that too for a second here not about ai but i'm thinking about just

[00:42:23] You know in terms of mission impossible

[00:42:24] They go out of their way in their marketing to highlight a big stunt

[00:42:28] That tom cruise is going to pull off in the movie

[00:42:31] Was there an action scene or a big stunt in this movie?

[00:42:35] Or even something tiny that happens during one of the action scenes maybe a bit moment or two

[00:42:40] That you know gave you a smile a smirk a chuckle anything like that that

[00:42:46] Really got you into the movie. I will say the one that first comes to mind

[00:42:51] It's a mix. It's not even the whole thing

[00:42:52] But like, you know

[00:42:53] We've mentioned earlier that things have looked better in the end credits scroll when they're showing the actual making of these stunts

[00:42:59] Um one that solidly looks good on film before it ends

[00:43:03] Is the moment that they pick up?

[00:43:04] Gosselin on the rig towards the end and the editing is actually not jarring for once in the way

[00:43:10] It's cutting between gosselin and blunt and they're talking about margaritas and going on a beach

[00:43:15] And he's just dangling off of it is actually one of the better

[00:43:19] moments of them like implementing stunt comedy and all the buildup and then

[00:43:25] Obviously the one where the movie finally

[00:43:28] Actually kicks in for me is whenever you start a tracking sequence of someone running let alone with a dog

[00:43:33] I'm like, okay, we're picking up and then he gets into the whole metal container

[00:43:39] And again, it looks better in the behind the scenes because you're like, okay

[00:43:42] gosselin is actually in that thing for like

[00:43:45] large portions of filming

[00:43:47] And then it looks certainly good at times and then obviously you have to use cg because like when it starts flipping and rotating

[00:43:53] You're not gonna

[00:43:55] Have even a stunt person in there because you're gonna kill someone

[00:43:58] And it kind of dwindles down and like the quality of how it looks

[00:44:00] But for the most part i'm like him fighting and it's rotating and it's carried onto the car

[00:44:05] Okay, cool creative but like everything else doesn't

[00:44:08] Memorable to me like I know they there's a running joke where they constantly like talk about chekov's gun very early on gosselin talks

[00:44:15] about this uh

[00:44:17] Flying boat with his hands behind his back through fire that he's like yeah

[00:44:21] I can do that. No problem. And then they end up building up to it and it's just like all right fine

[00:44:26] Like

[00:44:27] It doesn't look great because you know, he did it when he was working at a stunt show, uh from Miami vice, which

[00:44:34] This is the one nitpick like they like yeah, he wears this awesome stunt jacket

[00:44:38] I'm gonna talk about the jackets later. Like it's amazing

[00:44:40] But it's like yeah when he worked on Miami vice i'm like you did not work on that show

[00:44:43] You would be like old as hell

[00:44:45] Um, so it was supposed to be the movie. I had the same quibble. I was very confused

[00:44:49] So it was the tv show but what it really was and they say later on it is

[00:44:56] The stunt show that they used to have at universal before I ended up getting swapped out

[00:45:01] Okay, which is you know the universal synergy

[00:45:03] But yeah, because the logo is very much like the old school television series logo

[00:45:08] Yeah

[00:45:08] And they pay homage to it when he's on the boat later and stuff and it's such a direct reference that

[00:45:14] You know those are the moments that you know, I do kind of

[00:45:18] I do I am a sucker for those. I I will admit

[00:45:22] I I think for me the moment that really stood out to me

[00:45:27] There were there were a few good

[00:45:30] moments of practical action between

[00:45:33] Gosling winston duke and tom rider's apartment when the guys show up with the guns

[00:45:38] Where they're just like throwing people through walls and glass and there's buck shots going through the wood

[00:45:45] And I was like this is this is fun

[00:45:47] And it's not the most impressive

[00:45:50] Practical action i've seen in a movie in recent years

[00:45:54] But I will always have a deeper appreciation for stuff that's captured in camera

[00:46:00] Versus, you know cgi

[00:46:02] Like all over the place to the point that you're questioning what is real and what is not anymore and it's taking you out of the movie

[00:46:09] Um, I I will admit to geo. Yeah that scene with the container

[00:46:14] I was thinking when I was watching the film. Oh

[00:46:17] There's no way they did all this for real because you can clearly tell that there's there's uh visual effects enhancement

[00:46:22] During certain key moments where i'm like, there's no way they took this over the bridge with oncoming traffic and like all this stuff

[00:46:28] But then when you see the bts you're like, oh my god. They actually did a lot of this for real

[00:46:33] Well, why did why did that not look better if that's the case?

[00:46:37] You know, and so i'm wondering if that there were just certain scenes that probably

[00:46:42] Either did look better and they chose the wrong shot choices for the final edit or they were

[00:46:48] There were visual effects enhancements that made it look worse. I don't know, but I was pretty

[00:46:54] Amazed at how much I saw either ryan gosselin for real or a stunt guy

[00:46:59] Willing to do in camera and I was like well then why does the final film not look so good?

[00:47:04] Because it's david leach

[00:47:06] And that's the thing too. I'm gonna go back to that again. Yeah, is that david leach?

[00:47:10] I think is just not a good enough director yet

[00:47:14] to

[00:47:15] Know exactly which angles he wanted. He wants to capture stuff from that's going to

[00:47:20] Enhance his film and tell the story better

[00:47:23] um, I think he's got more of a

[00:47:26] You know

[00:47:27] Stun stunt coordinators

[00:47:30] Point of view for how to shoot. He's a great

[00:47:34] First unit director or a second unit the second unit director. Yeah third fourth unit, you know, whatever

[00:47:41] He he's good at getting the shit done that needs to get done, but he's not an

[00:47:49] He's not a

[00:47:51] Storyteller. Yeah, you know, he's not an otter

[00:47:55] I I think that in some ways a lot of the way that a lot of the stunts like, you know

[00:48:01] Don't look as good as they could even though they were mostly captured in camera

[00:48:07] I think it does have to do with that like

[00:48:09] wanting to create something that is commercially viable and

[00:48:15] In the present marketplace, that means, you know

[00:48:19] fast-paced

[00:48:21] lots of you know camera movement

[00:48:24] That's happening. And I think that

[00:48:28] We still don't really have any kind of visual effects that can keep up with the speed of

[00:48:34] Capturing actual movement in frame that looks real

[00:48:40] So like especially that that chase scene it just like there are so many moments and it's just like no this

[00:48:47] This doesn't look real and it's because everything is moving so fast

[00:48:52] And the only scene in the movie where I actually thought it looked better than the end credits

[00:48:56] Was the Miami vice boat explosion sequence because when I saw it in the credits

[00:49:02] I don't know if they like didn't make it up the runway all the way or if it was just the way it landed

[00:49:06] I don't know what it was, but it was kind of anticlimactic

[00:49:09] But when you watch the movie

[00:49:11] He just goes straight up the runway on the boat and the boat just goes straight and it explodes and it looks it looks

[00:49:17] fantastic in the movie

[00:49:19] Uh, but so you know

[00:49:21] There are times where you're going to shoot stuff practically

[00:49:22] It's not going to go the way you expect it and you're going to have to enhance it somehow or maybe you get take two

[00:49:27] I don't know

[00:49:28] Uh, then there are times where stuff will look great as is and for some fucking reason

[00:49:34] It gets tinkered to death with or chopped up in the editing room

[00:49:38] And it's nowhere near as good as it possibly can be and that's always

[00:49:42] very upsetting

[00:49:44] Anybody else any other like standout action bits or moments?

[00:49:47] Well, you know what's really funny because I was thinking about it's like

[00:49:51] Because obviously there's a lot of action sequences in this film

[00:49:53] But the one that is probably the most effective in terms of the stunt and this is so weird to say within the context of everything else

[00:50:00] But I think it is actually the fire stunt where he's getting knocked against the the side of the rock

[00:50:05] And I guess

[00:50:07] The reason why that ends up being the best one for me, even though relatively speaking

[00:50:12] It's very small scale

[00:50:13] It's because we're so locked in on that one particular stunt that we're seeing over and over again

[00:50:19] And that was the one where I was like man that fire is like really close to that dude's

[00:50:24] Face like that seems very dangerous and it that felt like it was getting to the

[00:50:30] more kind of rougher presentation

[00:50:32] That I wanted from most of these other sequences that even though the other ones are bigger in scale and might be more impressive

[00:50:38] just in terms of

[00:50:40] How technically they were able to execute all of those those pieces I found this one locked off stunt

[00:50:47] To be actually more impressive because I was up close to it

[00:50:50] I wasn't cutting away from it and when we did cut away from it

[00:50:53] It actually was going to stuff that was actively advancing if not the plot

[00:50:58] But the the character development between people in a comedic way that I enjoyed so

[00:51:04] Weirdly enough despite all the bigger set pieces that happen

[00:51:07] I think that that little bit right there is actually my favorite bit of the whole movie

[00:51:12] Yeah, that scene is giving us everything

[00:51:15] And it's

[00:51:17] Fantastically edited. It's one place where I thought the shot selection did work in its favor a lot of times

[00:51:25] and yeah, it it lets the movie star chemistry

[00:51:30] carry it and then also to show any other crew members and how they realize that they are just like

[00:51:36] Privy to this on-set drama that is happening between these two people and then you get that like one great line where

[00:51:43] It goes to the one guy in full alien costume

[00:51:46] And he's like give me the megaphone. I want to have my say like something similar happened to me with my girlfriend

[00:51:52] Or something like that. Yeah, yeah, it was he fell in love with his sister's his wife's sister

[00:51:58] Okay. Yeah, there you go, but it's got like the uh, the the alien like voice dubbing and everything

[00:52:03] It was pretty funny. I thought um

[00:52:05] I agree that scene was a big standout for me, especially too because

[00:52:10] I kept wondering man

[00:52:12] How many times does someone light themselves on fire like this and and not like how do these guys like not get burnt?

[00:52:18] You know, like how did they not get hurt? And I love that. There's one moment in the movie where uh colt tells jodie

[00:52:25] Every punch hurts every time he gets thrown through a window

[00:52:27] It hurts every time he falls it hurts and I really appreciated that they didn't present stuntmen

[00:52:34] Holy, I mean granted I don't believe all stuntmen are action movie stars the way to colt severs presents himself as here but

[00:52:42] uh, you know, I do appreciate that they

[00:52:45] At least said hey stuntmen

[00:52:47] Are human like you may think that they're superhuman because they could do all this stuff

[00:52:52] or yeah, and yes there is safety in play to make sure that they

[00:52:57] Minimize as much risk as possible

[00:52:59] But these things still do hurt like getting hit by a car and rolling up the windshield and then rolling on the ground

[00:53:06] On the pavement hurts no matter how chiseled your body is

[00:53:12] And gosling's body is chiseled in this movie my god, I don't think i've ever seen him more

[00:53:17] Buff than he is in this film bless him

[00:53:21] There's like one shot where he comes out of the water in slow motion. I was like

[00:53:26] Look between this and roadhouse at south by southwest the gays were eating very very good

[00:53:33] Okay, also

[00:53:35] Aaron karonik he talks about like aaron taylor johnson's physique when he's also like almost equally as muscular

[00:53:41] And he's making actually a funny joke. He's like glucose your body needs it. Okay, those are nutrients

[00:53:47] You're starving cognitive functions

[00:53:52] I did like that bit. Yeah, that was pretty good

[00:53:56] What do you guys think of emily blunt?

[00:53:57] There's i'm hearing a lot of praise for gosling but i'm not hearing a lot about emily blunt here

[00:54:02] She does the best for what?

[00:54:05] Underwritten her character is I think most of it is her just being like, okay

[00:54:09] I'm just using my talent as a movie star to really

[00:54:13] Give her some depth because it's mainly just like why do you want she's just like I want to direct

[00:54:17] Like why do you want to direct so that like it never really goes into like why she wants to do it

[00:54:21] So also the fact she's like a camera operator and then the next year she's like in charge of probably like a 200 million dollar

[00:54:27] film as a director is just such a

[00:54:30] Huge leap that you're like, okay sure. All right

[00:54:34] Yeah

[00:54:35] That does also go to like there are some details in this movie that I think it's

[00:54:39] There that it gets very right but then there's other stuff. That's like

[00:54:43] It's so broadly defined and the stuff of her

[00:54:47] Helming this movie definitely felt like a that would be something that a general audience would be able to get but

[00:54:54] For people that maybe know the industry a little bit more that seems a little far-fetched

[00:54:57] But but yeah, I think emily blunt is fine in the movie

[00:55:00] I think she does the best of what she's given this character feels like it is written

[00:55:05] Only for the purpose of being the eventual love interest

[00:55:08] There is no other depth to her outside of that and for her credit

[00:55:12] I think that she does have a lot of her own screen presence

[00:55:15] I think the chemistry she has with gosselin is very sweet and endearing but

[00:55:19] When you step back and look at the whole picture you do realize like if this character was not in the movie

[00:55:24] I don't think we would have lost anything like the the main thing that it feels like she contributes

[00:55:29] Is that she's the one that comes up with the big stunt at the end of the movie

[00:55:33] But I feel like you could have even given that to the winston duke character and you basically have the same movie

[00:55:39] I think she's great. I like the scenes of her directing on set

[00:55:43] Yeah, she is able to bring

[00:55:46] Personality to that character that is absolutely not there on the page at all

[00:55:54] You know, it's just she's kind of you know, lightly sassy. I guess on the page but

[00:56:00] blunt

[00:56:02] Has so much of her own star persona and appeal that she's able to bring to it to actually

[00:56:09] Make this make jodie feel like an actual character as opposed to just a love interest

[00:56:18] Um, I think particularly in the split screen scene. She is doing some really genius comic

[00:56:25] Business with that alien hand

[00:56:27] I just I couldn't stop watching whatever she was doing with it because it was more interesting than the dialogue of what was happening

[00:56:33] In that scene and I think that that is

[00:56:36] Sort of what I love about her in this movie. She is constantly finding

[00:56:40] New bits of business to make her character and the scenes she's in more interesting

[00:56:48] And that's that's movie starship right there because you have to know that the movie needs something added

[00:56:55] And then you have to add it in just the right amount so that it doesn't become too much

[00:57:00] And I think she threads that needle really well

[00:57:03] Yeah, again like like gosling the movie is reliant a lot on her natural charm and also her chemistry with gosling is impeccable and

[00:57:12] You know not to sound cheesy

[00:57:13] But like that's better than any bells and whistles you can put in a movie about stunts like is there natural chemistry?

[00:57:19] But it's true, you know like the scenes with them together the aforementioned split screen

[00:57:23] I was charmed by that and yeah, whenever they're on screen together. It's great. It's just when

[00:57:28] Things start blowing up. I started to get a little distracted

[00:57:31] Yeah, because even like the explosions and what they do blow up in this movie. I

[00:57:36] I found myself constantly saying this is good

[00:57:39] This is this is good

[00:57:42] but

[00:57:43] There there's better. There's better out there. I've seen better

[00:57:48] Now was there like a particularly laugh out loud moment in this movie for anyone?

[00:57:53] Was there a funny moment? Come on good like there had to be at least one

[00:57:56] I know I chuckled at a couple of things here dan

[00:57:58] You already mentioned the hand with the split screen the taylor swift needle drop took me out

[00:58:05] Not out of the movie, but like I thought that was hysterical. Yeah, like knocked me out from laughing

[00:58:10] Yeah, I thought that was hilarious

[00:58:12] The part that sold that for me was when she knocks on the window and gosling startled like look

[00:58:18] Then you realize he's listening to it full volume in the car. That was pretty well. Yeah

[00:58:23] Yeah

[00:58:25] I did find that to be very funny. Yeah, and you know what?

[00:58:28] I know that it does go on a little bit too long

[00:58:30] But at least the first couple appearances of the unicorn that did actually get a very big laugh out of me

[00:58:36] Especially when it showed up at the hotel and it was still there

[00:58:40] Maybe just because I didn't expect it to still keep going at that point and it showing up just like really took me

[00:58:45] By surprise and I have to admit I did actually laugh at that moment

[00:58:49] Yeah, all of gosling's acting while he's playing high is hilarious. I think how the movie captures it is a little bit

[00:58:55] Frustrating but he's doing he's doing esplanwork

[00:58:59] I liked anytime gosling tried to speak but you couldn't understand what he was saying because either he was high or the mouthguard

[00:59:06] Yeah, oh that was good

[00:59:07] I I think one for me is ties into like the metal store aspect and

[00:59:13] Eric taylor johnson whenever he's on camera and he's doing like this mcconaughy-esque voice. Yes

[00:59:18] Impression is pretty good. And then you hear literally the dude like ah

[00:59:22] For the movie just like cue in I was like, okay, that's pretty funny

[00:59:26] I'm not gonna lie. I got to admit the jason mamoa cameo

[00:59:30] Was I I thought that was pretty well done

[00:59:33] Yeah

[00:59:33] That was fun

[00:59:34] Especially because the whole time you're like I think for us that like we get how movies are made and stuff compared to normal

[00:59:40] People they're like, okay, but like you're watching and they're like, okay

[00:59:42] If this ever came to light wouldn't this whole movie just get canned like how would they do it?

[00:59:47] And then you see them

[00:59:48] They just recast tom rider with jason mamoa and he's just pulling into being jason mamoa with like

[00:59:55] And like doing all that stuff on like 11 and i'm like, okay pretty good. That's actually funny bit

[01:00:00] What was even funnier than uh the reveal of jason mamoa's cameo was the post-it note where it said is it mamoa?

[01:00:07] or

[01:00:07] mamoa

[01:00:10] Stick the post-it notes were

[01:00:13] Hilarious I literally was looking forward on his second viewing because I did see this two times on the second viewing

[01:00:19] I was like, I want to see if I can read as many of those as humanly possible

[01:00:23] Just to see how ridiculous some of them are and yeah, some of them are pretty pretty goddamn funny

[01:00:30] I love the one that he was tied up and he was just like he kind of always belittled

[01:00:34] Gosling, um and because eventually you figure out for he's an incredibly insecure actor

[01:00:39] And he's the one who sabotaged goslings raking in the beginning which causes injury

[01:00:43] In the first place and all that so like when he's like tied up later in the film and he's talking to gosling

[01:00:48] Who's just all beaten up?

[01:00:50] You know, he's just like at first you have potato head and stuff like that when they practically look the same

[01:00:55] And he's also like man, you know, you're my favorite

[01:00:57] I've done so much for you. Like what have you ever do for me and gossips like I don't know i'm about to die

[01:01:04] What more do you want?

[01:01:06] And also the helicopter when like hannah waterham is insulting him and he's like, hey you watch out

[01:01:10] He is probably the best stuntman that's ever worked with

[01:01:15] That was also dumb too though because i'm like he's ready to kill him on the pier by setting him on fire earlier

[01:01:20] Now all of a sudden when he has a chance to shoot him because his whole life and career is on the line

[01:01:24] Due to this black box recording. He's hesitating

[01:01:28] Why it's more so because he had the gun in the first place and he's inherently just a bitch and the whole movie is just

[01:01:36] Like he's a guy who never does anything to himself

[01:01:38] Like when he was about to get killed it was the guys burning him not him

[01:01:42] So in this hannah waterham's like, okay, i'll i'll do it. Sure

[01:01:45] Uh, I I do love the specific

[01:01:49] uh commands

[01:01:51] To uh, jean clard. I know we already talked about it but like

[01:01:54] Like these are not normal commands like gosling's able to just basically speak

[01:01:59] Full-blown french sentences to this dog and his dog understands and I I loved how specific they got at times

[01:02:05] When they're at the bar

[01:02:07] And he puts his hand in the martini glass and then he gets a cup of water for the talk

[01:02:12] That was pretty good. Yeah, I have a question you guys

[01:02:16] Okay

[01:02:17] Was the sound mix a problem for anyone else at any point or was that just my screening?

[01:02:23] Not for me not for there it might have been a screening. Sorry

[01:02:26] It's a lot of the dialogue was drowned out by the

[01:02:30] The bass or the music but maybe it was just my maybe it was my situation

[01:02:34] To cody's point I gotta I gotta rant about this because for some reason

[01:02:39] This is the second movie of the year a blockbuster that it's had I was made for loving you by kiss

[01:02:45] But not only that

[01:02:47] You can tell they spent a pretty penny because david leach is like how many times can I play

[01:02:53] I was made for loving you whether it's baked in the score

[01:02:56] Where there are plays in other scenes and by like the fifth time I was like, okay

[01:02:59] We need to do like a different song. This is just incredibly annoying

[01:03:04] Yeah, this movie could have been a little bit more fun if they had a bit more variety and some of their needle drops

[01:03:08] I don't mind old school rock. In fact, I love it actually

[01:03:13] I particularly like the montage of uh, the darkness

[01:03:17] When I was playing as uh gosling stepped in to do the metal storm like action sequence directed by jody

[01:03:22] I was like, this is so charming and so fun and yay rock and roll

[01:03:26] But man, yeah that kiss track

[01:03:28] How many times five seven times like

[01:03:32] And then there's a cover of it too at one point. I was like, yeah

[01:03:36] It's like if you're not hearing like the actual lyrics. It's like in the scores like

[01:03:40] Mm-hmm

[01:03:42] And like a dramatic like rendition of it. I was like, okay, like is this what we're really doing?

[01:03:47] That was so weird

[01:03:49] Hey, you know what they probably paid more money for the taylor swift song and she probably only told them you can only use

[01:03:54] It once yeah

[01:03:57] Yeah, it was so weird that that song did show up so much in this movie

[01:04:01] You know when it was even in the score. I was starting to feel like is there some

[01:04:07] Greater significance to this song that it is so prevalent in this movie

[01:04:12] Like it is so it is very weird that it was used so much

[01:04:16] It probably is just because like yeah, they pay a lot of money for it

[01:04:19] And so they wanted to get their money's worth I guess but it's overused did

[01:04:24] It did not feel like it felt like it had more importance in the actual narrative of the movie than it really did

[01:04:30] They saw john williams use of leitmotif in the star wars movies and said hold my beer

[01:04:36] All right. I have a question for you guys

[01:04:39] Would you watch metal storm? No, no

[01:04:43] No

[01:04:44] That is the most

[01:04:46] Bullshit mad max meets dennyville no

[01:04:51] That has it looks like the biggest hack job

[01:04:55] I'm sorry

[01:04:55] Like i'm sure the movie itself is fine, but the script is like it's so obviously a high concept

[01:05:03] X meets y kind of movie that i'm just like

[01:05:07] No cowboys and aliens man cowboys and aliens. Yeah, because that was so successful the last time right?

[01:05:14] But we're gonna do it better this time

[01:05:17] I can't say no because i've already subjected myself to watching two rebel moon films

[01:05:21] So inherently I have watched metal storm twice already

[01:05:26] Let me tell you something if it was just metal storm of jason mamoa and his normal accent not even trying

[01:05:32] To act but just being jason mamoa in that outfit i'd watch it

[01:05:39] Can I also say too and geo you kind of alluded to this earlier underrated costume work in this movie

[01:05:46] Really really well done

[01:05:47] You're gonna my score is gonna be inflated and like what I wrote a lot of I give an extra half star because the jackets

[01:05:54] That miami vice jacket's got to be some of the best men's wear i've seen of the film all year so far

[01:05:59] The red jacket he wears too

[01:06:01] Also, like there's only a certain type that can pull it off

[01:06:03] Like of like normal dudes are not gonna rock down in the street and be able to pull that out

[01:06:07] But like since it's ryan gossett you're not gonna see me walking down the street with these people. Sorry, but like

[01:06:12] Damn, it's such a cool jacket like the jacket the dog at the end credit school was like, okay

[01:06:17] I'll i'll give you some brownie points. That's where like you're talking about brownie points for me

[01:06:21] It was like damn good jackets. It works. I mean even the green jacket he wears in the club

[01:06:25] I'm like this is hilarious because he walks in with the hat the glasses

[01:06:30] And he's supposed to be pretending to be tom rider and I was like this is like this is pretty funny

[01:06:35] You know like just seeing ryan gosselin decked out like this

[01:06:38] There has to be something in his contract of just ryan gosselin doing the film's cool jackets

[01:06:42] I mean drive blade runner

[01:06:45] They're like it's just a perfect pairing cool jackets and ryan gosselin

[01:06:48] It works every time the place beyond the pines blue valentine the list goes on and on and on true

[01:06:55] The man loves jackets

[01:06:58] My brownie points are for aaron taylor johnson's first scene

[01:07:04] Leather pants like thank you very much josh not gonna lie. I thought of you

[01:07:13] Yeah, great costume design

[01:07:15] Yes, ryan gosselin doesn't do it for you. Oh, if i am gosselin always and yeah

[01:07:21] This isn't an either or situation

[01:07:24] I'm just appreciating all of his own display

[01:07:27] Yeah, well like when he's in his apartment, you know doing back exercises shirtless. I was like, oh well like everybody's getting a little

[01:07:34] Obviously, yes that that yeah that too

[01:07:36] In fact, it was actually a very funny moment when I saw with

[01:07:39] The audience that I was with when that moment happened in his apartment

[01:07:43] You could actually feel like chatter happening around me

[01:07:49] People are starved

[01:07:51] Yes

[01:07:52] My audience i'm not kidding clapped when he

[01:07:55] Emerged from the water in slow motion fully drenched and his body was just like moving in slow motion like my audience cheered

[01:08:02] This is what challengers has done to people. It's just now every time that is happening. We're going nuts

[01:08:08] We're so horny

[01:08:11] We are blunt for gosselin's johnson

[01:08:13] Uh

[01:08:20] All right final thoughts I think that was a good segue to final thoughts

[01:08:26] All right kody what do you have for us for final thoughts

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[01:09:01] All right, two quick things. So one

[01:09:04] Speaking of honey's reactions hannah roddick's character has a johnny depp amanda

[01:09:09] Oh, sorry johnny depp amber her joke. Oh

[01:09:13] Yeah, really did not go over well

[01:09:15] Somebody some people around me literally gasped in like a shock that they were making a joke about that

[01:09:19] Genuinely surprised they did not edit this out of the movie. Yeah, it's not funny. It's not good. It just

[01:09:25] Anyway, I actually think there's a world where this could be edited out for home release

[01:09:31] If i'm being honest with you, I could see that happening

[01:09:33] Well, I don't want that because I don't like movies doing that as a rule

[01:09:37] But I understand it just did not need to be in the movie in general

[01:09:41] and

[01:09:42] One thing I really did find funny was I did laugh every time they did the dune parody of the solitary female singer

[01:09:49] That just got me. It's really cheap and obvious, but I was laughing

[01:09:53] Yeah, that's more funny to me than constantly making jokes about we're playing in cinema con hall h. Haha

[01:09:59] you know like direct references to other movies and doing it in a

[01:10:03] Not so subtle way can be funny, especially because also too

[01:10:08] You kind of know deep down david leech is probably a massive fan of what denny villanueva's done with dune

[01:10:13] Like he's not making fun of it to say this is bad

[01:10:15] You know at least I don't think he is at least I hope not

[01:10:19] No, right probably not

[01:10:21] No, I don't think so. Yeah, because there's also like a little bit of mad max in there too and

[01:10:27] Uh heavy metal, you know, like I think there's just I think I think if anything

[01:10:32] Metal storm is an

[01:10:35] Agglomation of like all of these different things that david leech just loves just to roam together

[01:10:40] It's just the things it's it's shorthand for modern blockbuster. That's all it is. Yeah. Yeah

[01:10:45] Yeah

[01:10:46] If it was like 10 years ago would have been like maybe not 10 years ago

[01:10:49] Because a few years ago would have been like a modern star wars of health i'm sure

[01:10:54] All right, geofinal thoughts for you

[01:10:56] Um, shout out to like all the grandparents that go see this and spoil alert because there is an end credit scene when you see

[01:11:03] lee majors and um

[01:11:05] Heather thomas from like the original fall guy series

[01:11:08] No one in my theater knew who that was. I'm pretty sure most people who go see this did not even know

[01:11:13] It was based on like an 80s television series

[01:11:16] Um, but to those out there, i'm sure you got your rocks off. So congrats

[01:11:20] you know talking about also other jokes or circumstances of the movie like the

[01:11:25] Amber heard johnny depp thing it is like if we're being cynical

[01:11:30] It is a bit weird the beginning of the film, you know starts off on like a set accident with the stunt

[01:11:35] You know after like deadpool 2 and baby leech made that as someone died

[01:11:40] Making that movie as a stunt accident. So I don't know if that's something or played into that but it is a bit weird

[01:11:48] I mean other than that, I think it's a fun movie

[01:11:51] There's not really much depth between it just go see it like, you know

[01:11:54] I rather spend money in the theater to see something like this compared to

[01:11:59] So I can't even say ip because I guess this is technically quote unquote ip

[01:12:02] But like again like the grandpas who the hell knows about the fall guy?

[01:12:06] Okay, unless you're like tarantino

[01:12:09] I was gonna say it's the good kind of ip where you're like resurrecting something that hasn't been talked about

[01:12:14] for a very very long time and

[01:12:17] In my opinion wasn't really like that big

[01:12:19] No, you know to begin with it ran like five seasons

[01:12:22] So like it had like a solid following back in the day

[01:12:26] I guess but it's just like one of those things that's lost in time

[01:12:29] Like it's weirdly one of those unless you're like a tarantino who's like knows a specific era of television where he's like in

[01:12:34] Once upon a time referencing like combat and fbi and all that like you're not gonna know what this is and it's fun

[01:12:41] There's some good stunts

[01:12:42] Gosling is just the goss factors up a million. I'm a bit scared

[01:12:47] That he might ryan reynolds himself and he's I said recently

[01:12:52] I remember watching this and I was like, I just don't want him to be pigeonholed. It's like the action guy

[01:12:56] Who's just doing the gosselin stick of just being incredibly charming and maneuvering and especially him talking about recently

[01:13:02] You know, i'm kind of avoiding like dark roles and stuff like that, which in retrospect he's by this point in his career

[01:13:08] He's done everything, you know, he's directed he's done indie band stuff

[01:13:12] He's done small romances and musicals and like first man now. He's like doing the big like

[01:13:18] Blockbuster e-rolls, so i'm happy have your moment. Enjoy it

[01:13:22] I just hope this isn't all that comes out of it and I hope it is in a ryan reynolds situation

[01:13:27] But other than that, uh the fall guy fun time nothing more. You'll probably forget about it after

[01:13:33] Well one thing i'm a little

[01:13:35] Like you know nervous about with that too is we've been clamoring for so long that we love

[01:13:42] Comedic ryan gosselin

[01:13:44] And ryan gosselin needs to do more comedic roles

[01:13:47] Yeah, I do think that this is maybe the point now in his career where we might look back on it and say

[01:13:53] Oh crap. This is where ryan gosselin's career now started to take

[01:13:57] a turn

[01:13:59] Maybe akin to something like say

[01:14:02] Tom cruise

[01:14:03] And how he used to be like this once hailed dramatic

[01:14:07] Actor that would take on very very complex parts and I I don't want that to happen for gosselin here

[01:14:13] Where it's just like broad entertainment now all the time. He seems to have indicated as much that that is what he is

[01:14:21] Going to be doing mostly due to his uh kids and his family, uh, but

[01:14:27] Yeah, we'll see we'll see because I do like me some

[01:14:31] Dark and complex ryan gosselin every now and then too and I really hope that that stage of his career is not fully behind him

[01:14:39] All right. Let's hear next now from dan bear

[01:14:42] I feel like i've said pretty much everything I I have to say about the film other than like

[01:14:50] I will always take this kind of

[01:14:55] Hollywood ip like ie something that has a

[01:15:00] Really?

[01:15:02] fun

[01:15:03] Set up then

[01:15:06] But isn't really known as opposed to like, you know

[01:15:12] Another comic book character getting a movie whether or not that comic book character has any following at all

[01:15:19] um, I think that's just

[01:15:22] More interesting and I like it

[01:15:25] Allows the movie to feel more original than it actually is

[01:15:29] So like I hope that they keep

[01:15:32] Moving in this kind of direction

[01:15:35] I just also hope that

[01:15:38] Hollywood is able to next time they try to do this

[01:15:41] Better thread the needle between the whole art and commerce thing

[01:15:47] I know that those are two sides of the same coin in

[01:15:51] Hollywood and threading needle is incredibly difficult, but it feels like this time they just

[01:15:57] Really kind of sanded away

[01:16:00] Any sort of rough edge in favor of making this a really

[01:16:05] fun shiny piece of corporate product which

[01:16:09] It's a really good example of that. It's better than

[01:16:13] You know a lot of the other

[01:16:16] Cinematic pieces of cotton candy that they've pumped out over the recent years

[01:16:22] but

[01:16:23] At the same time I can't help but want something that feels a little

[01:16:29] Weightier

[01:16:30] Yeah

[01:16:31] Yeah, I I would say compared to

[01:16:35] How poor other blockbusters could be within the marketplace?

[01:16:40] or

[01:16:41] repetitive

[01:16:42] And seeing how you know, we've gone to the well one too many times with a certain formula over the last couple of years

[01:16:48] Let's say

[01:16:49] I'll take this over that any day of the week. It doesn't need to be great in this movie. Certainly

[01:16:54] I don't think is that but

[01:16:56] I do on some level appreciate this definitely more

[01:17:01] than

[01:17:04] What what else we could be getting out there and believe me there will be other weeks on this podcast where i'm sure

[01:17:09] We will talk about some of those

[01:17:11] This year, in fact probably before everything is over the summer movie season is just beginning here people

[01:17:18] so

[01:17:19] Josh, what about you?

[01:17:21] The one thing that I was actually going to mention was the lee majors cameo

[01:17:24] I guess I was one of the grandpas that was actually looking forward to that. Uh, i'm sorry

[01:17:31] No, no, believe me. I I fully embrace it. So I you know

[01:17:34] It wasn't amazing

[01:17:35] But I actually did like seeing him to be honest

[01:17:38] That also might be just because I always tie lee majors to the beginning of the movie screwed

[01:17:43] Which has a very insane cameo from him that in a weird context

[01:17:48] I'm not going to get into right now because it's even more ridiculous than anything that happens in this movie

[01:17:52] So there's like a childhood nostalgia from that. So I appreciated lee majors showing up at the end

[01:17:57] I I personally did get a kick out of that

[01:17:59] um

[01:18:00] But then the other thing that I think I would just mention and this is very nitpicky

[01:18:03] I understand and for most like general audiences, they're not going to pay attention to this

[01:18:08] but the whole marketing of metal storm also just felt very weird to me like the fake trailer they show at the end of

[01:18:14] the movie where

[01:18:16] They introduce it as like from visionary director jody moreno and it's like isn't this our first movie

[01:18:22] How is she a visionary director her name gets?

[01:18:24] Was also said before the studio. It's like what is this project?

[01:18:28] It's in hall age, but it seems like a completely original thing that she wrote

[01:18:31] It's not based on anything and yet it gets this big profile like again

[01:18:35] I know that this is very nitpicky and for general audiences

[01:18:37] they're not going to care about it, but for me and other people that are really into this it just felt like a very

[01:18:43] Confusing presentation of what this project is and it was very minor, but it did bother me. I'm not going to lie

[01:18:50] i'm also sick of the

[01:18:53] trope and i'm again, this is nitpicky. This is a little like

[01:18:57] Cinema sins brain, but whatever i'm a little sick of the trope of like movie trailers still doing the don lafontaine

[01:19:03] In a world voiceover thing in modern contemporary films

[01:19:07] That hasn't been a thing for like a quarter of a century now

[01:19:09] And I know it's short term

[01:19:11] It's like shorthand for this is a movie trailer for like a movie you shouldn't take seriously

[01:19:15] But it just it takes me right out of it as somebody who watches way too many movies

[01:19:20] Yeah, I feel like that hasn't happened since he died

[01:19:24] I think really that the era of trailers doing that died with him and that hasn't been a thing in a very long while

[01:19:30] but I feel like for

[01:19:32] Slightly older filmmakers to still remember that era. Yeah, it gets used still as that shorthand even though

[01:19:38] In our contemporary landscape trailers just do not do that anymore

[01:19:42] Uh, my final thoughts here

[01:19:44] This is a dad film through and through

[01:19:47] I think the stuff that you guys are also talking about here regarding like the fake trailer just also speaks to that where

[01:19:52] David leach just kind of has this

[01:19:54] Mind that is stuck somewhere like in the 80s 90s that makes his films as we said earlier

[01:20:01] Made for the tnt dad crowd

[01:20:04] And there's nothing

[01:20:06] Wrong with that per se

[01:20:09] It's just a matter of

[01:20:11] How do you like your cinema?

[01:20:13] And here I think this movie is

[01:20:16] Pretty silly pretty goofy at times

[01:20:20] Traumatically, so sometimes thanks to gosselin

[01:20:23] But the plot is just absolutely ridiculous and

[01:20:26] I don't come to these movies for the plot

[01:20:29] But when you start pulling me out of the movie because your plot is too confusing

[01:20:35] And i'm not saying this movie is hard to follow but i'll say like the details of it are confusing in the sense of

[01:20:41] There's just logic leaps that I have to take at that at a certain point

[01:20:45] I do have to ask myself

[01:20:47] Is this supposed to be a commentary on the movie industry? What is this film trying to say?

[01:20:53] Is it trying to say anything?

[01:20:55] and if you just accept that this movie is not trying to say anything and it's just a

[01:21:00] love letter to stunt movie making

[01:21:02] Fine

[01:21:04] Fine

[01:21:07] I will take it for what it is in that case, but I do think this movie is unnecessarily padded out to be

[01:21:13] a little too long at over two hours had this been a

[01:21:18] 90 to 100 minute length film. I think this could have been a lot tighter a lot zippier and more fun in general

[01:21:26] Uh as far as any of our final thoughts here

[01:21:28] They're mostly minor small stuff like you know lines dialogue such as

[01:21:33] Emily blunt saying it was like a sushi train or

[01:21:37] Gosling sending the text message to her when he's like emergency help. I'm a pickle

[01:21:45] Like linen, he says ducking autocorrect. So why didn't you just call her? I do not know. Yeah

[01:21:52] Why did he not just call her?

[01:21:53] Why was he texting her in this very important situation? Like I get the comedy but like the the very the very like

[01:21:59] Foundational premise of that of that comedy and that bit right there did not make any sense. What went wrong?

[01:22:05] What went right?

[01:22:07] Was a good line delivery from Gosling and that's the question

[01:22:11] I have to ask myself when I get to the end of the fall guy here

[01:22:14] Is what exactly went right?

[01:22:19] I will say that my true score for this movie my real true genuine score is a six out of ten

[01:22:27] but

[01:22:28] my love

[01:22:30] For the stunt community my love for favoring practical

[01:22:34] in camera action and stunts

[01:22:39] Bumps us to a seven out of ten for me

[01:22:41] despite the

[01:22:43] Hang ups that I have with this movie in terms of its

[01:22:46] Comedy in terms of its story

[01:22:49] This is the kind of film that I also can recommend to pretty much anybody

[01:22:56] And that's not a guarantee that they will all enjoy it

[01:23:00] But there's something to be said for making a movie like that today where you can literally put this on in front of anybody

[01:23:07] And they might get some enjoyment out of it. I do think it is

[01:23:12] Other than that one joke that we mentioned earlier. I do think it is for the most part

[01:23:17] inoffensive and

[01:23:19] You know movies about making movies will always have a little bit of a soft spot for me

[01:23:23] So I am being very very in my opinion generous here

[01:23:28] By saying seven out of ten, but just know that if you strip all that away

[01:23:34] All that goodwill

[01:23:36] And uh, whatever sentiment I might have for the film on a personal level. It really is a six out of ten movie for me

[01:23:42] Giovanni what about you?

[01:23:44] It's exactly the same thing

[01:23:46] I i'm it's really a six but i'm giving it like seven because as I mentioned the jackets

[01:23:51] That that really does it for me, i'm sorry

[01:23:53] They're just cool and gosselin is charming and you know that give me a few beers

[01:23:58] Some wings and it's a great time. But look future like josh has mentioned

[01:24:03] This is a future tnt classic waiting to happen. So when you're just busy on a tuesday morning at like 10 in the morning

[01:24:09] but

[01:24:10] Fall guy will be on and it's going to be glorious

[01:24:13] Oh, that's another thing too. I forgot to mention my final thoughts

[01:24:17] I love the

[01:24:20] Dual triple quadruple meaning of the title the fall guy

[01:24:24] I love that and how much it is

[01:24:28] Used a different effect here throughout the movie and that he

[01:24:32] Literally falls at the beginning of the movie. He is the fall guy the guy that's getting framed for the murder

[01:24:36] He falls for jody. I I like that I do

[01:24:41] Anyway, dan, what about you?

[01:24:43] I'm also at a seven out of ten, although I feel like i'm at a more pure seven out of ten than matt

[01:24:50] Gio

[01:24:52] Although I do think that like if this did not have

[01:24:56] The perfect casting of emily blunt and ryan gosselin

[01:25:00] I think this would be a six or maybe even a five god help me

[01:25:05] I think they really do a lot of work to elevate this. It's enjoyable enough as it is but

[01:25:11] With the two of them going like

[01:25:13] Supernova movie star it makes it more entertaining even though I have a lot of things that are like

[01:25:22] You know, yeah, that makes sense

[01:25:24] All right, cody. Well, it is a five for me

[01:25:28] Sorry

[01:25:29] It's just not even enough of a good time to excuse some of the issues I have with it because after mention good time

[01:25:35] Stunt stuff isn't even shot in a way

[01:25:38] That accentuates it. So yeah, this is a disappointment for me

[01:25:42] josh

[01:25:43] I'm a very weak six out of ten. I for most of this movie

[01:25:48] I actually was sort of in the five range

[01:25:51] But I really do think ryan gosselin just brings so much charm and energy that that was enough

[01:25:57] Honestly just on his own to push it into the

[01:26:01] Very slightly recommendable territory. It's not a ringing endorsement by any means

[01:26:06] I I do kind of share a lot of the issues that especially cody brought up with this movie

[01:26:10] but there's like just enough charm where I was

[01:26:15] Mildly entertained by it, but not by a great deal

[01:26:18] I will also admit and as far as the oscar potential for the fall guy

[01:26:24] I am going to say zero oscar potential for this. However

[01:26:30] I do believe with my heart of hearts that this movie is going to

[01:26:34] To continue the conversation regarding stunt performers getting recognized by the academy to some degree

[01:26:42] And I would not be surprised

[01:26:44] To see this be our sag ensemble stunt winner at the end of the year

[01:26:50] Yeah, I feel like that's where you know any awardsy type conversation lies with this movie and maybe more so just this being a further

[01:26:58] catalyst for

[01:26:59] The industry finally being like, okay

[01:27:01] We need to start acknowledging these men because like it's been so long and I think you know

[01:27:06] The last time we really talked about on a big scale before john wick was like what once upon a time in hollywood

[01:27:11] Where brad pitts like in his speech like yeah, these guys are uh pretty important

[01:27:14] Like we should acknowledge them

[01:27:17] And now it's only filled like conversations only grown stronger and more relevant as uh the years have passed

[01:27:24] Yeah, the pandemic I think really put a pause on that conversation

[01:27:28] But once we really started coming back to theaters and we started seeing movies that were

[01:27:34] favoring uh practical stunts and capturing stuff in camera and us seeing then bts videos more frequently

[01:27:41] You did start to see this conversation

[01:27:43] Really start to rev up. I would say in the last

[01:27:47] Three years two years or so

[01:27:50] And I I actually do kind of agree if you go I kind of credit

[01:27:55] Once upon time in hollywood with being the film that

[01:27:58] Kind of kick-started this whole thing really

[01:28:02] There could be some debate about that, but that's where my mind stands

[01:28:05] What's really disheartening though with the fall guy from me is

[01:28:11] And maybe you guys have different opinions on this

[01:28:13] I don't know but based on what i'm seeing here about its early box office reports

[01:28:17] I fear that if this movie is not a success

[01:28:20] This conversation might

[01:28:23] I don't want to say die, but it will slow down. Absolutely

[01:28:27] But after first seeing this at south by that was my whole thing like this could become

[01:28:32] A sort of thing in hollywood, but only if it's a big hit

[01:28:37] It's not the kind of movie

[01:28:39] I think where hollywood will like stick up for it if it

[01:28:44] Doesn't do well at the box office

[01:28:47] also a little surprising after seeing the movie that

[01:28:51] This is like the first summer box office blockbuster that's coming out because

[01:28:57] I don't know how it'll entirely sit with people of like the word of mouth will last and then like you have planet of the apes

[01:29:02] Coming out the immediate week after I feel like this film isn't given entirely the true legs

[01:29:08] To like it needs to have a good foundation. I feel like man if this came out

[01:29:13] A little bit earlier. I was talking to someone and said it came out earlier

[01:29:15] You know maybe after south by southwest and capitalize off of it

[01:29:19] And I was like, you know, I don't know about that

[01:29:21] But after seeing like the possible opening numbers i'm like well hopefully not this film is really banking on just

[01:29:27] Gosling and blonde post barb and heimer and I mean I think it works like again mat

[01:29:32] You mentioned like the marketing for this movie and how they've used a stunt man

[01:29:35] And then like, you know just recently on what was it jimmy kimmel or or phallan? I can't remember which

[01:29:40] Jimmy like he's doing the whole stunt intro that it's like him fighting people and breaking stuff and

[01:29:46] They've been very creative presented at the oscars the stunt montage and plugged the fall guy

[01:29:53] Nobody I swear to god. I better not hear a single person

[01:29:58] Say that this movie was poorly marketed

[01:30:00] No, it was not at all and use that as an excuse for it not doing well

[01:30:04] like the reason why this film will not do well is not because of

[01:30:09] Some mixed to negative reviews because overall the general consensus is that this is a positively well reviewed film

[01:30:15] It's not going to be because it was poorly marketed. I firmly believe and this movie was kind of referenced earlier in the podcast

[01:30:22] movies like the gray man and other films that go straight to streaming

[01:30:28] Have effectively killed

[01:30:30] The box office and what we perceive to be a movie star in today's day and age

[01:30:35] You know that being said if this movie doesn't like do the greatest in theaters

[01:30:39] I can totally see this movie having like a second life on whatever streaming service it goes

[01:30:43] No, but that should not I know I know I know relying on that. I know I look

[01:30:49] I'm the guy who also wants people to go out for movies whether whatever it is

[01:30:53] Like it could be a rom-com and it'd be huge

[01:30:55] I'm just saying that like, you know, we have spent the past

[01:30:58] Decades slowly conditioning people to like not turn out for movies like this in general and then what's the point?

[01:31:04] We can just wait for it at home

[01:31:06] But you know, I I do think people will watch this film whichever way

[01:31:11] Any other thoughts anybody?

[01:31:13] No, I think that's where the the conversation with awards in particular kind of beginning and I don't think this is going to

[01:31:20] show up in any other category and

[01:31:23] Yeah, it'll be used as evidence to further push them trying to get a stunt oscar

[01:31:28] I mean the fact that it's referenced in the movie that they don't have an oscar

[01:31:31] I think just shows you the the intentions right up front

[01:31:36] So yeah, this is going to be used down the line for that recognition

[01:31:40] But outside of that, no, I don't think this is showing up anywhere

[01:31:44] I still feel like it could maybe make the visual effects short list as sort of a

[01:31:52] Consolation prize for there not being a stunt oscar, but I think that if this movie

[01:31:58] Continues to not do great at the box office the possibility of that gets smaller by the day

[01:32:05] Dan also not to put you on blast for this but you sent sound out of self-buy

[01:32:09] What were you thinking there?

[01:32:11] I mean, what was I thinking?

[01:32:13] I was I mean really just the I thought that those are the big like action

[01:32:19] movie

[01:32:21] Awards other than editing and I don't think this is had any shot at getting into editing

[01:32:28] It's a you know big

[01:32:30] loud action movie

[01:32:33] Sound and the visual effects are very closely tied together. It feels like so that's what I was saying, you know, like

[01:32:39] if they liked the movie I could have seen that happening, but with the

[01:32:44] Reception that it's gotten and the box office since

[01:32:48] Nah

[01:32:50] Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen personally, but

[01:32:53] If it leads to an oscar for stunts down the line, it will have been worth it. Hopefully

[01:32:59] All right

[01:32:59] Well that'll do it here for our review of the fall guy here on the next best picture podcast cody derricks

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