Episode 391 - The 2024 Summer Movie Season, "Mufasa: The Lion King" & "Lee" Trailers

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[00:01:33] Welcome to the next best picture podcast

[00:01:37] And Maria is the Oppenheimer

[00:01:40] I am your host Matt Neglia the time recording is 11 o'clock a.m. On May 5th

[00:01:53] 2024 happy single Demi-O to all better listening right now here to join me for this week's episode

[00:01:59] I have Lauren lamagna

[00:02:01] Hello

[00:02:02] Dan Bear good morning, and Josh Parham

[00:02:07] Hello hello

[00:02:09] Okay, so for today's show the summer movie season of 2024 has officially kicked off with the release of the fall guy

[00:02:17] We are going to talk about

[00:02:20] that films release and what it couldn't mean given its box office status for the rest of the summer but also to

[00:02:28] Movies that are coming out that we are looking forward to seeing over the next couple months until

[00:02:32] The fall film festivals kick in towards the end of August early September

[00:02:38] We're gonna go over the polls will answer from fan questions

[00:02:41] we will also talk about the trailers for Lee and

[00:02:45] Lou Fossa

[00:02:46] the Lion King from Barry Jenkins

[00:02:50] But before we get to any of that what has everyone been catching up with this past week starting off first with

[00:02:56] Lauren lamagna

[00:02:58] So yeah, this last couple of weeks have been really busy for me in real world

[00:03:03] But I did catch up with something so first off

[00:03:06] I did see Challenger and

[00:03:09] I'm someone who respects Luca Guadagnino

[00:03:12] But I don't really respond as positive as everyone else to his work

[00:03:16] So it's one of those where I respect it

[00:03:19] I like it that I'm not connecting with it as strong as everyone else

[00:03:22] Which makes me feel a little out of the loop

[00:03:24] But I will say this is my favorite out of his filmography

[00:03:29] Which I think showcases the strength of the film overall

[00:03:33] So I definitely place it in my number one ranking of his films

[00:03:37] So there's that I'm getting a little warmer with him

[00:03:41] But then I also am simply a woman and caught the idea of you because I am a grad student setting for finals

[00:03:47] And I am stressed and I just need

[00:03:50] some boy band romance and I really enjoyed it and it really did scratch my itch that I needed

[00:03:56] And I just love that we're having this

[00:03:59] cute little ball, you know and half the way is just the sweetest most like pure romantic comedy girl

[00:04:06] And I'm just glad that she's in this film that she produced it

[00:04:09] And she just seems really happy that it's receiving kind of well

[00:04:12] So I really enjoyed it and I hope everyone else does and I think it's a really good nice scratch

[00:04:18] So those were my two films and pretty fun week. I would say at the movies

[00:04:23] Nice nice. Yeah, I definitely agree

[00:04:25] The idea of you as a movie that for me turned out to be way better than I actually thought it would be and

[00:04:32] It is a bit of fantasy escapism

[00:04:35] It's just some degree or another you need that in this world

[00:04:39] Like there's a world for these types of movies and I'm just glad that we're having a nice medium level rom-com

[00:04:46] You know, these are so rare these days and I like to just cherish them when we do get them

[00:04:51] Hopefully more get made

[00:04:53] Sure. Absolutely. All right. Let's hear next now from Dan bear

[00:04:58] Well, I will just pick up on that note because I did get to go to the New York premiere of the idea of you

[00:05:06] after unfortunately having to leave South by Southwest before that premiere and I

[00:05:12] Don't know if this movie plays better with an audience than it does at home

[00:05:18] Because the audience got very weird

[00:05:21] Not as weird as the audience when I finally went to see challengers with a paying crowd that was

[00:05:29] Unconscionable but they were definitely like some

[00:05:33] Laughing and titters at scenes that did not seem funny or even that particularly awkward

[00:05:40] So I don't know how audiences have been doing with romances since that moment when we were all stuck in our homes for

[00:05:48] Few months and forgot how to behave in public

[00:05:51] but the idea of you is so

[00:05:54] sweet and so

[00:05:56] fun and so charming and

[00:05:59] I

[00:06:00] Love the songs that they wrote for it

[00:06:03] I think they're genuine pops and have been jamming to that soundtrack and the challengers a score all week

[00:06:11] I am so happy that movies score soundtracks are back. I've really really enjoyed the music of these two this past week

[00:06:21] What else have I seen? I saw

[00:06:25] Slow which I think was at Sundance last year. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah Lithuanian

[00:06:33] film about a

[00:06:35] romance between a

[00:06:38] heterosexual woman and an asexual man which

[00:06:43] Really really got me. I was so into this story

[00:06:48] I was so invested in these characters and it

[00:06:52] reaches this really

[00:06:55] Beautifully done climactic scene and I was ready for the movie to end and

[00:07:01] then it went on for one more scene and

[00:07:06] Completely ruined the vibe of the movie. I don't understand why they they did that

[00:07:12] I think that extra scene at the end just does not add anything

[00:07:16] To the movie and it really kind of pissed me off because I thought

[00:07:21] The movie was just about perfect until we got to the last

[00:07:26] Literally like I don't know maybe two minutes

[00:07:29] I had to knock it down a whole point for that just because it really fumbled the ending but other than that I

[00:07:38] Really recommend this movie. It's so well-observed the performances are wonderful and

[00:07:44] It's filmmaking that really gets you invested in the character is in a way that a lot of films don't and I really appreciated that

[00:07:53] And the last thing that I want to talk about is

[00:07:56] My new number one film of the year I

[00:08:01] Saw the TV glow. Yes

[00:08:03] Wow

[00:08:06] Wow, I

[00:08:08] Could not tear my eyes

[00:08:11] away from the screen the entire time I had to

[00:08:16] Remind I had to physically remind myself that I had to take notes

[00:08:22] Because I was so enthralled with everything that was happening and just the

[00:08:27] chain chonburen

[00:08:29] The leap in their storytelling abilities between we're all going to the world's fair and this is just

[00:08:37] massive

[00:08:38] Painting with just a bigger canvas

[00:08:41] more colorful

[00:08:43] Lighting and production design and just the ideas that they're dealing with

[00:08:48] I'm still teasing it out in my head what everything means and how I feel about

[00:08:55] You know what cornquake really is going on and it's so deep and so entertaining and so multifaceted

[00:09:03] Justice Smith is kind of mind-blowingly good

[00:09:08] especially in the last act I

[00:09:11] Cannot say enough good things about this movie. Yeah

[00:09:15] Yeah, it's one of the films that when we saw it Sundance you could tell right away that it was something

[00:09:21] special and unique and I knew it was going to resonate deeply with some people too

[00:09:28] You were saying it's such a massive leap for them in terms of their directorial voice

[00:09:34] but it's one that I think is proving to be not only vital but

[00:09:40] unlike any other that's out there right now and

[00:09:44] Only two films in I cannot wait to see what they do next because

[00:09:50] Like there like there are sounds and images in this movie that still have not left my brain

[00:09:54] Yeah, and I and I have not had a chance to rewatch it yet. I've still have only seen it the one time back in January

[00:10:01] I highly recommend everyone seek this out. It may not be for you. It may not be

[00:10:07] your cup of tea for sure but

[00:10:10] man like it is surely

[00:10:13] a gem of

[00:10:15] 2024 it is so unlike anything else that I've seen

[00:10:20] but in just like really

[00:10:23] Small ways like it's just

[00:10:26] off-kilter. It's just left of center. It is

[00:10:30] Just slightly unfamiliar in ways that make it completely

[00:10:35] unforgettable

[00:10:36] There is a what felt like

[00:10:40] 10 to 20 minute monologue in the second half of this movie that is the most

[00:10:48] arresting

[00:10:49] filmmaking I have seen in any movie this year and

[00:10:55] It is basically just one camera position shooting an actor

[00:11:03] and yet I

[00:11:05] Was riveted

[00:11:07] All right

[00:11:08] Let's hear next now from Josh Parham

[00:11:12] So this week I did see the fall guy, which there's the podcast review

[00:11:18] The movie is okay. I think Gosling does a lot to save that movie

[00:11:22] It's like barely passable in my opinion

[00:11:24] But like it was fine, but it definitely struggled

[00:11:28] I think in the plot but you can hear the podcast for full of thoughts on that

[00:11:32] I also caught up with this movie musica which premiered at South by didn't it Dan? Yes

[00:11:38] Yes, this is like one of my biggest surprises of that festival

[00:11:44] Well, I'm glad you really liked it. I

[00:11:47] Do not think it is I will say I do not think it is a Josh Parham movie. No

[00:11:54] And the thing is like I do

[00:11:56] Recognize the talent and there are definitely like those musical sequences are really well done

[00:12:01] There was a part of me that was like this is just stomp, isn't it?

[00:12:06] Little yeah, you know and the story itself is like

[00:12:10] And we have kind of seen this portrait of the guy who's got creative ambitions

[00:12:16] But is kind of struggling in other parts of his life and needs to move on to find that that spark like I

[00:12:23] Found the story itself to be a little pedestrian and the

[00:12:28] The elements used to try to make it more creative. I felt

[00:12:33] We're interesting but not really revolutionary in my opinion. So it was I did not hate the movie

[00:12:38] I did like kind of like it, but I wasn't in love with it like I thought I

[00:12:43] Would be so it was it was fine

[00:12:46] Like I understand why it is pleasing to so many people, but I think you're right

[00:12:50] Just my taste I don't think we're completely in line with this film, but it was an all-right effort

[00:12:55] Maybe just not for me. Yeah, it's one of those things that like

[00:12:59] Even if you don't like this movie

[00:13:00] I think you'll be pretty like into seeing what Rudy Mancuso does next because

[00:13:07] He just I think what they go what you were saying a lot of he just goes a lot further than he has to

[00:13:13] I think with the directing and some of the scenes in ways that are

[00:13:17] Pretty impressive for a debut director, but also feel a little show offy

[00:13:21] Yes, there is a little bit of this is my first time I really want to make a good impression and

[00:13:28] Sometimes it is very effective and then other times it does feel like it's a little

[00:13:32] Indie try hard to me. Yeah, so yeah

[00:13:35] But like not a bad movie it was a perfectly fine watch

[00:13:38] But I personally just wasn't in love with it, but I cannot understand why other people would be

[00:13:43] Another movie that I saw though that I really did like was that I did catch up with sing sing

[00:13:50] Yeah, I'm so glad you finally saw this. Yeah, this movie. This is another one where I would say that

[00:13:57] There are definitely familiar story conventions within it that you could kind of figure out where it's heading

[00:14:03] But it is such an emotional journey that it takes you on that you kind of don't care that you know

[00:14:09] Where it's headed and those performances just from everybody. It was really great

[00:14:14] But my god, I really want to single out Clarence Macklin in this movie

[00:14:19] But oh my goodness like come on to me always great. Don't get me wrong

[00:14:23] Obviously, he's fantastic as he always is but this guy just blew me away and when more people see it

[00:14:30] They will understand why we need to get the best supporting actor buzz going on him because this is just such a

[00:14:37] wonderful performance and

[00:14:39] Everybody is great, but I especially loved him and the ending to this movie

[00:14:44] Kind of sneaks up on you in terms of how much it's going to

[00:14:49] Emotionally wreck you and it's it's a pretty beautiful film. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to more people checking it out

[00:14:55] Cosine literally everything you said I still maintain since we saw it at TIFF that this is or I guess was the first bonafide

[00:15:05] award-season contender for

[00:15:07] 2024 and

[00:15:09] You know it's gonna be interesting too because Paul Racy's got a supporting role in it, but like you said Josh

[00:15:13] It's not really him. That's to stand out

[00:15:16] It's Clarence

[00:15:18] My god, I agree with you

[00:15:20] I mean everyone's also going to be looking at Coleman Domingo, but this has the potential

[00:15:25] I think to not only be a best-picture nominee screenplay Coleman could get into actor again, but

[00:15:32] Man this this actor

[00:15:34] My gosh, I agree with you

[00:15:36] I think that there is a world where he could do a sort of like Paul Racy did with sound of metal and

[00:15:42] Get into that supporting actor lineup

[00:15:44] Absolutely and the screening that we had there was a Q&A afterwards and he was there by far got the biggest applause

[00:15:50] From the audience like you can definitely tell that

[00:15:54] Most people were feeling like this is the standout performance from the movie

[00:15:57] And I can't wait for more people to see it and more people to discover this performance because

[00:16:02] It really needs to be in the conversation as one of the best performances of the year because he's so good in it

[00:16:08] Reminder this will be released in theaters by 824

[00:16:11] This July I'm so excited for it. Keep it on your radar

[00:16:15] It's still my SAG best ensemble wanted winner for this year

[00:16:20] I

[00:16:21] Can see it happening because there's such an important story connected to those actors as well that

[00:16:28] Elevates their narrative in a pretty distinct way

[00:16:31] So I would not be shocked if this does make a lot of best ensemble mentions because it would be very very deserved

[00:16:38] And then outside of that I saw some older movies one that I caught up with was this movie light sleeper

[00:16:45] Which is from Paul Schrader. So I guess somewhat, you know, mini can prep for that one

[00:16:50] I suppose and man, I like this movie, but it is a Paul Schrader movie

[00:16:57] Like if you took all the elements of Paul Schrader and just tried to create a movie in a lab

[00:17:02] You would have light sleeper like it is you know exactly what you're getting

[00:17:07] It's still good. Well, DeFoe is the lead in it. It's got a really good cast and I enjoyed it

[00:17:11] But I definitely recognize that

[00:17:14] This is not exceptional from him

[00:17:16] It's it's pretty standard in terms of what you would normally get from his movies and his narratives and characters that he creates

[00:17:23] But still good, but you know where it's going

[00:17:26] You very very much know where this is going because it is extremely typical Paul Schrader for the good and the bad I would say

[00:17:34] And then

[00:17:36] Yesterday, I went to see The Mummy in theaters, which was so fun. That's such a great movie

[00:17:41] And it was wonderful to see that on a big screen again

[00:17:44] I remember watching that in theaters at nine years old

[00:17:47] So this is quite a trip to go down memory lane with that one

[00:17:50] Can I just get get nostalgic with you for a minute about that movie? Oh, yes, please always the line reading of

[00:17:58] The public hanging scene when he's like

[00:18:00] He's neck to the break now. We must watch him strangle to death

[00:18:06] Always gets me every single time

[00:18:08] Oh, yes many line readings that I remember from that movie. I loved it as a kid

[00:18:13] I don't know if I've mentioned this before but the Jonathan Hyde Egyptologist character was actually a

[00:18:19] costume I wore

[00:18:23] I know it's my favorite costume I've ever worn because it's so obscure and everybody was asking me who are you but I loved it

[00:18:27] I loved it. I love that I had such affection for this obscured

[00:18:31] Character in this giant movie, but that's because I just love Jonathan Hyde so much even at nine years old

[00:18:35] So it was wonderful to see that movie in a theater again

[00:18:39] and I think

[00:18:40] after seeing that it put me in the mood for

[00:18:44] Universal monsters and you know those kind of those old school

[00:18:48] films like that and I was thinking what I should watch afterwards and I decided since we did get a brief look at

[00:18:56] Megalopolis, it's like why don't I just put on Bram Stoker's Dracula?

[00:18:59] And I saw rewatched that last night and that movie is insane, but it is so good. I really love that movie

[00:19:07] That's my favorite Coppola

[00:19:08] Definitely one of mine like I'm not even ashamed to admit it. Oh, it's so good the the visuals of that movie are

[00:19:15] just incredible and how most of them are

[00:19:18] Practical and in camera too just makes it even more amazing all of the miniatures of my heart so good. Yeah

[00:19:25] so so good

[00:19:27] I had a bit of a light week this week

[00:19:29] I saw this documentary film that I can't talk about yet called the blue angels which is going to be coming to

[00:19:35] Amazon Prime

[00:19:36] I'll just say in regards to that one. It's basically like

[00:19:40] Top Gun Maverick the documentary only not

[00:19:44] You know action based it's it's an air show that they're putting on but it has those kinds of visuals

[00:19:50] So if you want to go see this like in an iMacs theater

[00:19:53] for some top gun-esque

[00:19:55] visual filmmaking

[00:19:57] That that'll be a good place to check this one out

[00:19:59] But as far as my thoughts on it go, I am still under embargo at this time

[00:20:03] But a movie that I can talk about

[00:20:06] Is kingdom of the plan of the apes

[00:20:09] And all I will start off by saying here is saying

[00:20:13] What a wonderful day indeed

[00:20:16] Oh, man. I was nervous as hell going into this movie. I was so scared that west ball

[00:20:24] Was not going to be able to

[00:20:27] Continue what matt reeves so brilliantly did seven years ago

[00:20:33] With dawn the planet apes and then war for the planet apes and rise into planet apes too

[00:20:36] Even though he didn't direct that one that one's still a pretty solid film

[00:20:40] And that trilogy overall the rebooted planet apes trilogy is in my opinion

[00:20:45] Pretty much near perfect. I think all three of those movies hold up extraordinarily well

[00:20:52] So it is my delight and pleasure and relief to say that kingdom of the planet apes fits very very nicely

[00:20:59] Alongside those three films while also carving out

[00:21:04] Its own place for itself as the start of this new trilogy because this story takes place

[00:21:10] Many generations like 300 years after the events of war for the planet apes

[00:21:15] Like the most intriguing element of it is how

[00:21:19] The legend of Caesar has become kind of like this christlike

[00:21:24] Symbol that is being used for both good and evil in this new world

[00:21:29] And I love the way that the film plays around with

[00:21:33] what

[00:21:34] that character

[00:21:37] Uh stood for and beyond that. I mean it's also just a very thoughtful story with characters that you really care about

[00:21:44] I think the smartest move that this movie did

[00:21:47] was

[00:21:49] It allowed with its runtime. It's it's almost two and a half hours long

[00:21:53] It's like two hours and 25 minutes long. It allows with its runtime for the characters to just organically

[00:22:00] Grow and establish themselves and establish themselves themselves and endear themselves to us too

[00:22:06] It's something that I feel like a lot of storytellers

[00:22:09] You know, especially when you are in a situation like this where you have to hit the reset button

[00:22:13] And start all over, you know

[00:22:15] I was like worried that this movie was going to be something like I don't know

[00:22:19] 90 to 120 minutes and it was going to be feel rushed and

[00:22:23] The storytelling would be sloppy, but I didn't get a sense of that here at all

[00:22:27] my only

[00:22:28] Real drawback with this film

[00:22:30] Truthfully is that I miss michael geochino

[00:22:33] And I really would have liked to have heard what he could have brought to this on a score

[00:22:37] level because um, I I didn't think the score for this movie was all that memorable

[00:22:41] But yeah west ball surprised the hell out of me

[00:22:44] I was really really impressed with this. It's the most

[00:22:48] extravagant

[00:22:49] Best-looking visual effects i've seen in the movie since avatar the way of water

[00:22:54] I mean what wet a digital is doing is just unbelievable with these movies, so

[00:22:58] Highly recommend people go check it out next week

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[00:23:47] And speaking of which that's a good segue into our topic here, which is talking about movies to see during this uh the summer

[00:23:54] As i was mentioning earlier this summer has officially now kicked off with the release of the fall guy

[00:24:00] it's in the slot that typically would go to a marvel film but uh

[00:24:05] You know, it's interesting how

[00:24:08] Audiences are not really taken too kindly to the fall guy right now and it's underperforming at the box office at this time

[00:24:16] i just curious to know what you all make of that because

[00:24:21] On paper, it seems to me like the fall guy should be this

[00:24:25] Bonafide success. It's got the reviews. It's got the stars. It's got the content

[00:24:31] It's got the four quadrants of marketing that appeals to pretty much everyone

[00:24:37] So what's going wrong here?

[00:24:40] People aren't going to theaters

[00:24:42] And why are they not going to theaters? I mean

[00:24:45] So many reasons, but I mean i'll just pick two off the top of my head one. It's expensive

[00:24:53] and

[00:24:54] Two they have been

[00:24:57] I mean if you don't see a movie in theaters

[00:25:00] It will be available for you to watch at home for less in

[00:25:05] What maybe two months?

[00:25:08] Especially in the case of universal they have this like 45 day theatrical window, uh, right now in place and that's nothing

[00:25:16] It feels like their movies are on peacock like right away

[00:25:19] Yeah, and so like if given the chance and also like not for nothing

[00:25:24] audiences in movie theaters have just

[00:25:27] steadily gotten worse and worse over the past like decade

[00:25:31] So yeah, I people are waiting to see these things at home also because like it doesn't feel and I think that the reason that

[00:25:40] Big well known IP movies

[00:25:43] I'll say like the marvel movies or barbie from last year

[00:25:48] Part of the reason that those things have done so well is because they feel like if you don't see them

[00:25:54] You will have missed out on a major pop culture moment

[00:25:59] And the fall guy doesn't feel that way

[00:26:03] so

[00:26:04] You don't need to see it in the theater because you're not going to miss anything and you'll see it in a month when it's on

[00:26:09] Peacock or anywhere else and you'll catch up with it then

[00:26:13] So would you agree that dune had that both?

[00:26:18] Big event feel but also to that cultural

[00:26:21] Like you need to see it in order to be part of the conversation type of feel to it

[00:26:26] Yeah, absolutely. I just want to say not only is it expensive to go to the theaters

[00:26:31] Everyone who has you know these streaming services are paying a lot of money to have them and they're only increasing in price

[00:26:37] So that's also, you know, the twofold people don't want to

[00:26:41] Not quote unquote waste their money on their services, but they want to get their money's worth because

[00:26:46] They are expensive. So why pay kind of double if you're going to get it on your already expensive streaming service in a month or two

[00:26:55] But I've had people use that argument with me time and time again

[00:26:59] I feel like what this is eventually leading to is this is going to lead to

[00:27:04] Not the elimination of one in favor of the other

[00:27:09] but a significant decrease

[00:27:12] in one in favor of the other and

[00:27:16] I really hate to verbalize this out loud

[00:27:20] But something tells me that eventually at some point

[00:27:25] I do think we're gonna see less movies get made

[00:27:29] And going to theaters the only ones I think that are going to get released are going to be these

[00:27:35] big special effects like event type

[00:27:40] Films and I think that anything that is considered a mid-budget film

[00:27:46] Or even low low budget will still be around because of specialty mom and pop brick and mortar store theaters

[00:27:51] I think those will still be around in that capacity, but I think the mid-budget film especially is going to

[00:27:59] Most likely just go straight to streaming unless if I don't know if that's true, matt

[00:28:04] I was gonna say though unless if that business model

[00:28:07] Fails over time and they don't find a way to make profit off of that

[00:28:12] I mean the example of that was this week with the idea of you

[00:28:15] I mean an hathaway in a rom-com that could have made money. I agree

[00:28:18] Yeah, I mean, you know how much money anyone but you made exactly over 150 million worldwide

[00:28:24] I mean like the mid-budget movies have actually been doing

[00:28:28] Pretty well this year. It's the big budget non-ip movies that have flopped and I think that if people

[00:28:35] listened

[00:28:37] To uh, cord jefferson's oscar speech

[00:28:41] They would realize that that is how you make money. Those are the sure things

[00:28:47] spending 20 to 50 million on a movie that can make now

[00:28:52] Upwards of 70 to 100

[00:28:55] That's the sweet spot for movies and really always has been

[00:28:58] Yeah, but the problem now these days is that

[00:29:02] streaming does cut so much into the time that these movies would normally need to make

[00:29:09] their money back and

[00:29:11] I man streaming has always been one of those things where I feel like if they be careful what you wish for

[00:29:17] Error that we're in now like this accessibility is great

[00:29:20] But I feel like it has cut off so many avenues to get

[00:29:25] Much more interesting movies in a certain realm that yeah, it's a struggle to get them financed now and

[00:29:32] I do think that unless a movie is marketed as like a big event people

[00:29:38] In general just don't really feel like making that effort like yeah

[00:29:42] barbenheimer last year was a huge cultural phenomenon that it helped not only barbie

[00:29:47] But also helped the three-hour historical drama, you know reach almost a billion dollars and

[00:29:53] And I'm glad that movie made that much money

[00:29:55] but I don't think there's any doubt that it being part of that event helped get the word out and

[00:30:01] Obviously not every movie is going to be able to be in that situation

[00:30:05] And we are unfortunately in a time when people are a lot more selective about what they're going to go out to see in a theater and

[00:30:14] Unfortunately, the fall guy is seems to be a victim of that and I don't know

[00:30:19] It just seems like that is going to be part of a trend with a couple breakouts that

[00:30:24] Bucket, but it's hard to know which ones are going to catch on like that. Yeah

[00:30:28] I think one of the issues that happened with uh streaming is that

[00:30:34] They started making their own 150 to 200 million dollar films that would

[00:30:40] Play in theaters for like one week and then be on netflix immediately right afterwards

[00:30:45] I'm using them as an example, but there are other offenders out there too

[00:30:49] And those types of films whether they're action comedy starring ryan reynolds

[00:30:54] Or something like the gray man that also stars ryan gosseling

[00:30:59] Those I think should have never have gone immediately like straight to streaming and they should have had a longer theatrical window

[00:31:06] Because now it does seem like like the mentality used to be

[00:31:11] I can watch old movies on streaming. I can watch these television shows on streaming

[00:31:16] I can watch these lower budgeted films on streaming, but now

[00:31:21] People are being told in some cases. Oh, I can watch an entire star wars, you know movie on streaming

[00:31:27] I can watch an entire zack snider

[00:31:30] A big budget blockbuster on streaming like I don't need to go to theater to even see these types of films anymore

[00:31:38] And I think audiences are just being conditioned

[00:31:41] More and more to stay home and wait

[00:31:45] And I agree. This is not just one thing ticket prices are also a part of this audience etiquette

[00:31:51] Is also a part of this

[00:31:54] There's also something to be said for

[00:31:57] Our attention spans in general and our laziness as a society

[00:32:02] There's also something to be said for the people who are not lazy

[00:32:06] But actually genuinely can't make it to the theater because they have to hire a sitter

[00:32:11] Or they have other external factors such as their jobs or their movie theaters are too far away from them from where they live

[00:32:18] Like there's there's a lot of people that are affected by this in different ways. There was also a pandemic

[00:32:24] Yes, yeah, absolutely. There's also, you know those those netflix like

[00:32:29] I call them pseudo blockbusters

[00:32:32] Like the red notice and the gray man like they're not real

[00:32:36] They're not real movies and like people

[00:32:39] noticed

[00:32:40] I have had I have seen

[00:32:42] several times on my timeline both on twitter and on facebook

[00:32:48] From comments from people saying that the fall guy looks like another red notice

[00:32:54] Like that they just think it's going to be crap because they've been again conditioned that these kind of

[00:33:01] Quote quote original because the fall guy is ip but no one really remembers it except if you're older than me

[00:33:09] But yeah, these

[00:33:11] original

[00:33:12] In quotes like non ip kind of action comedies

[00:33:17] They've been conditioned not just that they're going to be on streaming very soon

[00:33:20] But like they're not good because we did wait to see those exclusively on streaming and they were crap

[00:33:28] And everyone agreed that they were crap

[00:33:32] The fall guy is not crap at least not that level of crap

[00:33:37] But because they've been so conditioned to see these things in that light now

[00:33:42] They just think that all of those movies are like that whether or not their netflix originals or not

[00:33:48] with that said I genuinely genuinely hope that

[00:33:53] If the fall guys can't have legs, I really do hope that people do show up for kingdom of the plan of the apes the following week

[00:34:00] because

[00:34:02] I first of all I have an attachment to

[00:34:05] The plan of the apes franchise in general. It's a long-running franchise. It's been around for decades

[00:34:10] And it's also like a star wars like it does have a very passionate loyal

[00:34:16] fan base not as big obviously

[00:34:18] But the thing i'm most concerned about here is

[00:34:22] It's been seven years

[00:34:24] Since the release of war for the plan of the apes and so much has changed

[00:34:27] since then in terms of audience behavior and habits

[00:34:31] that I

[00:34:33] I don't know how this is going to perform next week if i'm being completely honest with you

[00:34:37] There's a world where I could see it doing reasonably well

[00:34:41] But then there's also a part of me that thinks that this could be yet another

[00:34:46] disappointment because we are still getting used to

[00:34:50] Audience behaviors of today and what they will show up for

[00:34:55] Well, this whole summer is filled with movies that I don't know how they're going to

[00:35:00] To perform. I actually feel like the fall guy might be

[00:35:04] a warning sign that this summer is probably going to be pretty light in terms of

[00:35:10] audience participation unfortunately

[00:35:12] I can tell you know

[00:35:14] wholeheartedly

[00:35:15] Which film I think is going to be the most successful of this summer

[00:35:20] I think it's going to be deadpool and wolverine

[00:35:23] Probably I mean, I think that one has a really good shot. I also feel like

[00:35:28] Despicable me for yeah, that was my say come in and wipe the floor like elimination just

[00:35:34] Has the secret sauce. I don't know what to tell you like even their terrible movies make so much money

[00:35:40] Like you remember that movie migration that came out like at the end of last year that had no promotion

[00:35:46] I think made like almost 300 million dollars and that was when nobody knew what that movie was so

[00:35:51] I think Despicable me for is just going to

[00:35:53] Wipe the floor over the competition, but I think between that and deadpool. Yeah, it looks pretty pretty light

[00:36:00] Inside out too might do some damage too

[00:36:02] I'm really excited about that personally

[00:36:05] Yeah, because you've got the kids that will go to see it

[00:36:07] And then you've got a generation of you know us who will go see it because I mean loren

[00:36:12] How old were you when the first film came out like 17 18? Yeah, see there you go. That could do some damage. Yeah

[00:36:19] Yeah, I think it's a smart

[00:36:21] story we'll see they haven't had the

[00:36:24] Pixar films has not had quite the same level of financial success that they used to

[00:36:29] Yeah, but inside out is one of their like

[00:36:33] Good pieces of IP I guess

[00:36:36] And but it goes back to that same question

[00:36:38] Our parents going to want to take their kids to the movies or are we gonna wait for it to go on disney plus in two weeks or in two months

[00:36:46] Yeah, that same question is gonna happen

[00:36:49] Because I think of all of the studios out there disney is the one that really has suffered

[00:36:54] Because of the streaming era because I think especially what their movies they cater to families and families are going to be the ones

[00:37:02] Who will prioritize where their money's going and if they know that this movie?

[00:37:08] Is gonna be out on the streaming service that their kids obsessively watch in a couple months

[00:37:12] it's like well, what's the point of going out and

[00:37:16] Yeah, I think inside out because it is a sequel to a very beloved original movie has the best chance

[00:37:22] But to be honest, I would have thought the same thing about light year

[00:37:26] You know

[00:37:27] That was based off of the toy story franchise and that catered so

[00:37:32] I I don't really even know about that being a sure thing

[00:37:36] What do you guys think has the potential chance to be the surprise?

[00:37:42] Both give me two answers critical and box office hit of the summer

[00:37:47] Box office. I think people will go to see twisters. I think so too

[00:37:52] I am hoping that they do

[00:37:54] I think that can happen

[00:37:56] I don't know like if the fall guy

[00:38:00] is tanking

[00:38:02] I love them but daisy edgard jones and glenn powell are not ryan gossling and emily blunt

[00:38:10] They aren't but I do think

[00:38:13] There I don't know. Maybe it's just me. I fully admit it could be just me

[00:38:17] But I do kind of feel like I get a sense of their being kind of a

[00:38:22] Nostalgia kick around this property. Yes

[00:38:25] And like not in the same way of something like a top gun would perform

[00:38:29] I'm not going to say he's going to do something like that

[00:38:31] But it's I'm getting a feeling of people being like, oh, yeah, I remember twister

[00:38:35] I remembered that movie when I was a kid and how fun it was and I think

[00:38:40] That has the potential to maybe do a little bit better than people are expecting

[00:38:44] Yeah, and I think it's in the soft spot

[00:38:46] I will say this when I saw the fall guy last night

[00:38:49] I saw a brand new trailer for twisters that played before it

[00:38:52] Same, yeah

[00:38:54] Not as good as the first trailer in my opinion. No, no

[00:38:58] Kind of a bummer

[00:38:59] It's also one of those things where like they released that trailer at the super bowl

[00:39:05] That was February. That was already three months ago

[00:39:10] What's happening on the promo front here?

[00:39:14] Well, I'll tell you I think hitman

[00:39:16] Is going to help

[00:39:18] You know give glen pal star power another boost before the release of twisters

[00:39:23] So that could help

[00:39:24] Well, I mean it would if it was doing a glass onion style theatrical release

[00:39:29] But apparently it's just doing a regular netflix theatrical release

[00:39:34] Yeah, right

[00:39:36] I believe so from what I understand

[00:39:37] So that I mean that's incredibly dumb on netflix's part but

[00:39:43] Yeah

[00:39:45] The other movie that I could see having

[00:39:48] legs

[00:39:50] and

[00:39:50] Better than expected box office

[00:39:53] Uh, I could see a world where

[00:39:57] This doesn't make headlines

[00:39:58] But then like we look back maybe four weeks later and we're like, oh wow

[00:40:03] This actually did pretty okay

[00:40:05] I could see the bike riders

[00:40:07] Doing decent business this summer

[00:40:10] Uh

[00:40:11] Decent it's not gonna

[00:40:12] Yeah

[00:40:13] No, no, no not like big but I could see it performing just a little bit better than maybe what people are expecting

[00:40:19] It's gonna be level. Yeah, it's hot people on bikes. Um

[00:40:25] Hey, it works for challengers on tennis. I mean, yeah, I'll go sit and see that

[00:40:29] I'll say this like I feel like

[00:40:31] anything

[00:40:32] period

[00:40:34] Is kind of operating at a disadvantage already at the box office

[00:40:39] Like it just feels like people don't really go to see period stuff anymore

[00:40:43] Unless it's like an Elvis, you know about a person

[00:40:47] Which is why you know, it's my predicted

[00:40:51] flop of the summer

[00:40:53] Back to black

[00:40:54] Oh, no, no that's already flopped

[00:40:58] No, uh, and listen this could go another way I fully admit and josh and I will be able to tell you so

[00:41:05] You know in a couple of days it can but I have this feeling horizon american saga

[00:41:10] Long movie. Well, so that's the thing right? It's three hours long. It's period

[00:41:16] Unless if the yellowstone crowd

[00:41:18] Literally like gathers facebook groups together to come out in force, you know like they organize this

[00:41:25] I know my father is personally very excited for this

[00:41:29] He is not aware that it is a two-parter and the first part is three hours

[00:41:33] Yeah, that's insane. I'm sorry. We are dealing with a madman right now

[00:41:40] But josh it's an american saga. I know but like even I underestimated how just insane kevin costar is at the moment so

[00:41:51] I think that there is a possibility that horizon ends up being good

[00:41:56] But I also don't think that it is going to

[00:42:01] Do as well as it needs to at the box office because goddamn that thing cost a lot of money

[00:42:06] That's ding right is that even if it gets like super positive reviews

[00:42:10] Yeah, out of can that's not a guarantee that audiences are going to show up for it

[00:42:15] And those two movies are close together

[00:42:18] Yeah, they're coming out at the beginning of the summer and the end of summer are people really going to want to spend

[00:42:23] six hours in a cinema

[00:42:27] You know when they can barely sit for

[00:42:30] Hour and a half two hour movie without being on their phones the whole time

[00:42:34] And if it gets mixed reviews or negative reviews out of can then in my opinion, it's toast. Yeah

[00:42:41] It's just tough with this one though because the crowd that would go out to see this movie

[00:42:48] Has been watching kevin costar on their tv screens for the last few years

[00:42:52] And I don't know if that group really has an incentive to go out

[00:42:57] To see that basically same thing in a theater. I'm not sure

[00:43:01] I think there's a possibility that it could happen

[00:43:03] But it feels like a big gamble at this point

[00:43:06] And on top of that like we have to remember even though the two projects are like somewhat similar

[00:43:13] This is still not yellowstone

[00:43:15] It's not you know a yellowstone story or part of the yellowstone universe at least as far as we know

[00:43:22] So

[00:43:24] Is there really an incentive for yellowstone fans to go see it? I mean

[00:43:28] Maybe not

[00:43:29] Yeah, but you know what though

[00:43:32] God bless him for trying. I really I mean it's a ball swing

[00:43:37] Everything about it. It is a big budget

[00:43:40] Western

[00:43:42] Two parts insanely long like everything about this is it screams

[00:43:49] Well, I mean it screams francis for a copula vanity project

[00:43:53] But we already have one of those coming this summer and I think it's going to be much better

[00:44:01] I I still have on the critical front of things

[00:44:05] I think another film that's going to overperform above people's expectations and I've been saying this since

[00:44:11] No pun intended

[00:44:13] day one

[00:44:16] Is aquia place day one

[00:44:19] Okay, I don't know about that

[00:44:22] This is directed by a guy who did pig. Yes. Come on. He starts Lupita Nyong'o

[00:44:27] Yes, but but the big part of the appeal

[00:44:30] Of the first two movies was having deaf

[00:44:34] characters and

[00:44:36] Really limiting the amount that people were able to speak

[00:44:39] I this does not look like it's going to be doing the same thing

[00:44:44] So I wonder how people will respond to that if this is a quiet place with a lot of talking

[00:44:52] I don't think the critics will be too kind

[00:44:55] Yeah, you're taking out the special part of the

[00:44:58] Project and the story. I would rather say in terms of like the horror suspense films

[00:45:04] I would say max scene would probably be the most popular or the most successful

[00:45:09] I hope so, please because both of those films were

[00:45:13] Pretty darn great. I would say pearl improved upon it and

[00:45:17] It's the final one. So I think that would be

[00:45:21] The slasher or successful film of the summer

[00:45:25] I have no doubt that that movie is going to be awesome

[00:45:27] Yeah, like literally no doubt in my mind that tie west and me a golf are going to knock it out of the park

[00:45:32] I just don't think audiences are going to turn up to see it. Oh, I don't think so

[00:45:37] Yeah, I mean x I think barely made 20 million

[00:45:41] Like they these are small movies

[00:45:45] yeah

[00:45:46] What's like another

[00:45:48] Small movie not a big blockbuster, but like what's another small movie coming out this summer that you're looking forward to seeing

[00:45:54] I know one you should be looking forward to seeing

[00:45:58] A little film from sundance called dd

[00:46:00] Yes, which is going to come out july 26

[00:46:04] So good

[00:46:05] So good. Oh, I really did like that movie. Yeah, definitely recommend that

[00:46:10] Daddy oh is better than expected in my opinion with dakota johnson and shawn penn

[00:46:16] Small two-hander between the two of them. I would recommend that

[00:46:19] I am really looking forward to see how long legs does

[00:46:24] I like man my curiosity is all time high for that film

[00:46:28] The marketing for that film like it's been like very quiet and kind of low-key, but it's also been

[00:46:35] Brilliant. Oh no bravo to them. They are not my god park truly. Yeah

[00:46:40] I don't know what the hell that movie's about but I know that I cannot wait to see it

[00:46:46] uh another sundance title

[00:46:49] that

[00:46:50] stars maybe the most unexpected action

[00:46:52] uh heroin of the year is uh

[00:46:55] Dalma starring june squib

[00:46:57] If any of you have heard anything about this movie, it's kind of a riff on mission impossible

[00:47:02] only

[00:47:03] Starring june squib. I cannot wait to see this movie good for her to be clear like june squib is not

[00:47:10] doing

[00:47:12] crazy stunts or anything like that but let's just say like

[00:47:15] Her getting out of bed in the morning like they shoot and edit it like it's an action scene and it's hilarious

[00:47:22] You know

[00:47:25] It's great. You gotta you gotta see it. It's really really great. That is perfect. Literally. What more could you want out of a movie?

[00:47:31] I'm really excited for I used to be funny. Yeah. Oh my god. Oh, it's really good

[00:47:37] I cannot believe that this is finally coming out. I know I was that movie is really really good

[00:47:43] The trailer does not do it any justice that is a

[00:47:47] terrible trailer for this movie, but it's incredible rachel senate is so good

[00:47:53] And speaking of movies that are that have taken a long time to come out finally

[00:47:57] If you've watched kill is the fire moon or under the bridge, you know, we are in the lily gladstone

[00:48:02] Moment right now and she finally has a fancy dance

[00:48:07] Coming to theaters this summer. Oh, yeah

[00:48:10] I'm really excited about that

[00:48:12] Mm-hmm. I heard it was great out of sundance. My god two years ago

[00:48:17] It's been so long. Yeah

[00:48:20] uh going back though to

[00:48:22] Some other uh slightly bigger films

[00:48:25] josh out of can

[00:48:28] We're gonna know the early word on furiosa mad max saga. Yep

[00:48:33] That's like cano plan. He apes me where i'm like i am so nervous heading into this one

[00:48:38] But I have reason to believe that

[00:48:41] George miller probably has done a pretty good job with it. I just

[00:48:45] I need to accept the fact that's probably just not going to be as good as mad max fury road

[00:48:49] No, I don't think it's going to be as good as that movie and I also

[00:48:54] Don't think this movie is going to make as much money as people are expecting it to because I've always said this that

[00:49:00] The oscar run for fury road. I think has

[00:49:04] clouded people's memories of the financial success of that movie because absolutely

[00:49:10] I mean it did like okay

[00:49:12] But it did

[00:49:13] Rather disappoint at the box office and we think of it as this big giant success because of all those oscars

[00:49:19] But if you looked at when it first came out, it was actually pretty soft

[00:49:24] Financially and it wasn't until the critics came around at the end of the year that it was

[00:49:28] proclaimed to be this huge success

[00:49:30] So even the most successful mad max movie still

[00:49:34] Was seen as a bit of a disappointment and I worry about the same thing happening with

[00:49:40] Furiosa even if it gets like the same level of reviews, which I even doubt but like even if it did

[00:49:46] I still think that general audiences are not as into this franchise as

[00:49:51] People assume they are just because of the last movie's oscar success

[00:49:57] It'll be really interesting to see what happens with furiosa

[00:50:00] Both critically and box office wise frankly

[00:50:04] I mean because there's an argument to be made that

[00:50:07] More people have watched and become fans of fury road since that oscar run and how much people have talked about it

[00:50:16] But that also could be like just a film twitter thing

[00:50:21] Yeah on paper it should sell well speaking of just a film twitter thing potentially

[00:50:26] It'll be interesting to see if your girls land from osan emma stone can capitalize on the success of poor things and

[00:50:33] drive kinds of kindness to

[00:50:35] Better box office than expected

[00:50:38] But something tells me the early word out of can might scare some people off for good or for bad

[00:50:44] Then expected I think is a very loose definition

[00:50:50] For this kind of a movie. Yeah. Yeah, exactly because you know, I'm not expecting this to be

[00:50:56] You know a big big hit

[00:50:58] But you know poor things. I mean had legs

[00:51:02] And that is so recent now that anybody who watched that recently and wants to see more of that

[00:51:08] They might venture out to see this but something tells me

[00:51:12] This is going to be

[00:51:14] Very very different. Yeah, this is not the

[00:51:18] Tony McNamara projects that lanthimos has been attached to

[00:51:22] Previously that have done really well. I just

[00:51:25] I think that if you were going to do this in the the aftermath of poor things is the best time to do it to capitalize on that

[00:51:31] But I just feel like people are not going to come to this in the same droves that they did for poor things

[00:51:39] Uh, and then you know, it's one film that I think we're all underestimating

[00:51:43] Remember, it was the highest grossing film of 2020

[00:51:47] I think bad boys ride or die

[00:51:49] You could do some damage at the box office this summer

[00:51:52] I was going to ask you mad specifically how you were looking forward to it because you really liked

[00:51:58] The third one. I did. I thought it was the best one of the three and it surprised the hell out of me that I thought that

[00:52:04] But and it surprised me too that it did so well, uh at the box office that year before the pandemic shut everything down

[00:52:12] But that just told me that okay despite the large gap between

[00:52:16] The first two bad boys and nists. There's still an audience out there for this

[00:52:20] And if this was considered widely, I'm not I don't think I'm in the minority here

[00:52:25] Widely, this was considered to be the best one

[00:52:28] It's reasonable to expect that audiences will want more

[00:52:32] Of that dynamic between martin lorenz and will smith here. So yeah, this is the one

[00:52:36] I think that we're mostly underestimating in terms of financially how well it might do

[00:52:41] It's also going to be really interesting

[00:52:43] as a test of will smith because this is really the first thing

[00:52:48] post slap and

[00:52:50] I know that it's going to be under a microscope because of that and

[00:52:54] I agree with you man. I think it's actually going to do very well. I think the public has

[00:52:59] Mostly forgotten that or if they do they don't think it's like that big of a deal anymore. So I think this will be a

[00:53:05] Moment where will smith will be like

[00:53:07] Yeah, I had that that hiccup a couple years ago, but i'm still a movie star that you could take seriously

[00:53:13] Uh, I do think that there is a lot of interest in the next m night chamalon film

[00:53:19] I even think even if it got poor reviews

[00:53:21] I think that audiences would still show up for this because the trailer

[00:53:24] Fetus was really really effective. I was gonna say I think that there are three

[00:53:29] like thriller e movies

[00:53:33] that

[00:53:34] Have the potential to like

[00:53:36] kind of break through if audiences get the word out if there is a giant twist or

[00:53:41] something that

[00:53:43] captures people imagination and it's trap which looks really really good

[00:53:49] chamalons daughters movie the watchers

[00:53:53] and

[00:53:54] then uh

[00:53:55] Blink twice

[00:53:57] The zoe cravitt's movie that that trailer looks like a lot fun

[00:54:01] The thing I worry about with blink twice is that I already have talked to some people who

[00:54:07] Gave me those oh that looks like a streaming movie. Yeah

[00:54:11] Responses and yeah that that had me a little concerned. I agree with you

[00:54:15] I'm I can't wait to see what you know what that is and how much fun it is

[00:54:20] uh, josh

[00:54:22] How do you think alien romulus is going to perform towards the end of the summer?

[00:54:26] Uh

[00:54:27] That's that's a question mark for sure because I think alien is like another one of those properties that

[00:54:34] Because there's been so many movies people think it's hugely successful

[00:54:38] but

[00:54:39] I don't think it is as popular with the general public as we think it is and

[00:54:45] Also, remember this is a pretty old property too. You know, it's

[00:54:49] From 79 so it's decades old at this point

[00:54:52] And I do also think that the ridley scott movies permethias and alien covenant one

[00:54:58] Those are a while ago and two kind of soured people who were already into alien

[00:55:04] Now does this look better or at least looks like it's going back to the aesthetic of those original movies

[00:55:10] And maybe that will draw people out. Sure

[00:55:14] but

[00:55:14] I just I get nervous about these movies now that are

[00:55:19] Referencing decades old properties thinking that they're going to have the same audience retention and that makes me

[00:55:25] Extremely nervous about the performance of this film. This one almost feels like an attempt to like

[00:55:33] Write the wrongs of pray

[00:55:37] Like it feels like this was designed originally as a straight to streaming movie and they were like, oh, but pray did so well

[00:55:44] Let's put this one in theaters

[00:55:46] I mean, I don't think that's true

[00:55:48] But I but I understand the feeling and of why one would think that

[00:55:53] But we also have to remember we haven't gotten a full trailer yet. So it is tough to say on a story level

[00:56:00] What this is exactly going to be we've only gotten a teaser that's just given us vibes

[00:56:04] And we know kaley spain. He's in it and and we know fety alvarez is directing and that

[00:56:08] Says a lot you almost don't need a trailer because you know, what's going to be gore

[00:56:13] I mean the the the buckets of blood budget for this has to be astronomically high. I'm sure

[00:56:18] Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Don't get me wrong for sure

[00:56:21] But I don't know how far that extends to general audiences and and also the fact that this movie

[00:56:27] It looks like one of those things where it's technically

[00:56:31] Uh, like a sequel slash prequel

[00:56:34] But it is so evocative of the aesthetics of the original movie that it's kind of trying to be

[00:56:40] A reboot at the same time like I'm very familiar with what the nastromo looks like and

[00:56:46] Why is this ship once again looking like the nastromo?

[00:56:48] Like I mean, you know, it just seems like it's trying very hard to remind you of the first movie and

[00:56:55] Again with decades old properties like this. I don't know how popular that really is in the public anymore

[00:57:01] lauren

[00:57:03] How popular is borderlands?

[00:57:06] Um, he plans sheds a redhead so it could have some legs

[00:57:15] I have not heard anyone talk about playing borderlands in years

[00:57:22] Oh, yeah, that thing looks like it's gonna flop

[00:57:25] Yeah, to me. I think this is the one that has maybe the most flop potential

[00:57:31] Of the summer on a blockbuster level like a giant blockbuster level not on a

[00:57:36] you know

[00:57:37] drama western

[00:57:38] horizon

[00:57:40] Okay, yeah

[00:57:41] I was gonna say it like looking at this summer and looking like how it's

[00:57:46] There's not a whole lot of like big blockbuster ip looking things. It's a lot of more like

[00:57:53] Mid-budget or like mid-budget blockbusters. I guess like in the 100 to 200 million dollar range

[00:57:58] But the budget for fly me to the moon is insane for what it is

[00:58:05] Well, it's an apple movie. So yeah

[00:58:07] Yeah, but like looking at that movie and i'm like you you spent a hundred million dollars on this

[00:58:14] I I hope you're not expecting to make that back because

[00:58:18] Well, it is apple and you know, we have to remember but they don't play by the same rules as everyone else

[00:58:23] No, they have more money than god

[00:58:26] I mean that's that's true

[00:58:27] But I could understand that when it's a score says the epic because you just right one of his movies in your library

[00:58:34] And so you're willing to shell out that money to get that but for flying to the moon

[00:58:39] Like why does this movie need all that money scarlett joe hanson wanted to get paid?

[00:58:43] I mean, this is great, but like we had hidden figures

[00:58:47] No, yeah, is it?

[00:58:48] Do you really think people will come out for the white version of this? No god no

[00:58:56] All right guys any other call outs for the summer of 2024. Oh, um

[00:59:02] Cuckoo. Yeah

[00:59:04] That's coming out. I'm excited for that. There's a couple of uh small horror films long legs being one cuckoo being another

[00:59:12] Yeah, i'm pretty pumped to see what the horror offerings are like this summer

[00:59:16] I'm really interested to see what happens

[00:59:19] with

[00:59:20] It ends with us

[00:59:22] Because we've had you know, like amazon do red white and royal blue and the idea of you

[00:59:28] That you know like novel romantic comedies

[00:59:31] Those seemed right, but this one is going to theaters

[00:59:36] And it was like the others a big like kind of

[00:59:39] tiktok book sensation

[00:59:42] I'm not interested in seeing it necessarily, but I am interested in seeing how audiences take to that as a sort of

[00:59:48] Example of how something like the idea of you might have done in theatrical release

[00:59:54] Written by uh, christie hall too who wrote and directed a daddio. So

[00:59:59] I I have a reason to believe it'll like like the idea of you. It'll be better than expected

[01:00:05] But what is to star power of blake lively now to carry a movie theatrically? Yeah is my question

[01:00:12] It's a heavy subject matter too, you know, that's kind of sugar coated by how it looks

[01:00:18] Based seeing off of like set pictures and her costumes and all that stuff

[01:00:21] So I'm kind of curious as well to see how it um resonates with the general audience

[01:00:27] I'm also curious to see if the crow is still cursed or not. Yeah, that's my big

[01:00:33] Oh, it's definitely cursed. I don't think that's gonna do well

[01:00:37] No, not at all

[01:00:39] That feels like we spent too long and too much money trying to get this movie made

[01:00:43] We just have to finally release it to get it off the books. It's like the woman in the window

[01:00:47] I mean, I mean, they don't have to crave and the hunter moved its release date once again

[01:00:53] I mean

[01:00:54] That you could just keep delaying it indefinitely if you really want to

[01:00:58] All right. Well, that's our preview of the summer of 2024

[01:01:04] Let's look ahead really quick to some movies that are coming out beyond the summer of 2024

[01:01:09] With some trailers that we got this week

[01:01:11] Starting off first with Mufasa the Lion King directed by Barry Jenkins

[01:01:16] This is going to be coming to theaters on December 20th 2024 from Walt Disney Pictures. Let's take a look

[01:01:22] Here we go. This story begins far beyond the mountains and the shadows

[01:01:30] On the other side of the light a lion was born without a drop of nobility in his blood

[01:01:46] A lion who would change our lives forever

[01:01:55] Mufasa

[01:01:56] Okay guys as someone who has

[01:02:00] Been defending this for a while because the name

[01:02:04] Barry Jenkins

[01:02:06] Even I have to admit

[01:02:08] This teaser trailer was

[01:02:11] Underwhelming for me

[01:02:13] But I still

[01:02:16] have

[01:02:18] A shred of hope that because Barry Jenkins is tied to this

[01:02:22] There's a part of me that still believes that even like despite the fact that this teaser didn't really do much for me and despite the fact that the 2019

[01:02:31] Movie I think is an abomination and should never existed in the first place

[01:02:37] I still have hope that this could turn out to be

[01:02:40] Better than expected because of him

[01:02:43] Well, you want to hope yeah for that I

[01:02:46] Still don't think this is kind of going to be very good

[01:02:49] I approached this movie with the mentality of

[01:02:51] Barry Jenkins did this so that you could take that check and

[01:02:55] Put it towards a lot more interesting work in the future, which oh they all do that like it's it's fine

[01:03:00] I completely understand that I will say this at least about this trailer is that

[01:03:05] It does appear that the facial expressions on these animals are a little bit more

[01:03:10] Expressive and like because that was my big thing about the 2019 movie is that they did

[01:03:14] Such a good job of making them look like realistic animals that it was terrible to communicate any

[01:03:20] Emotion so it felt so lifeless and from this brief look

[01:03:24] It does look like they have put a little bit more effort into making these faces on the animals seem more expressive

[01:03:31] I don't know how much that is really going to communicate throughout an entire movie

[01:03:36] We'll we'll see my expectations are very very very low for this

[01:03:41] So I'm not expecting this to be really good

[01:03:44] But you want to have faith that Barry Jenkins will make something that is at least somewhat passable

[01:03:49] I think that like this is a well constructed trailer

[01:03:54] But my god, it's two minutes in the uncanny valley

[01:04:00] I I

[01:04:02] Literally had to like hold back my gag reflex

[01:04:06] Watching it because I just think it looks

[01:04:09] Terrible and the thing is is that if this was done in

[01:04:15] I'll say not as lifelike

[01:04:18] Animation because this is CGI. I hate people calling this the live action Lion King because none of this is live action

[01:04:25] But like I feel like if this was done in traditional hand-drawn animation or even more traditional CGI some of these shots would look incredible

[01:04:34] but because they're going for this

[01:04:37] Hyper realistic look it just looks

[01:04:41] fake and shiny and

[01:04:44] It's like CGI

[01:04:47] And I appreciate the ambition of what a lot of these shots are going for but

[01:04:53] To me I I just can't shake the fact that this all looks like it was created in a computer

[01:05:01] On a story level, um, I do appreciate that it's going to be a story that

[01:05:08] We're not familiar with so hopefully one of the things that took me out of the 2019 version was these inevitable comparisons that one

[01:05:15] Had to make then to the 1994 animated classic

[01:05:19] And so here I'm hoping to have

[01:05:22] Much less of that or none of that at all

[01:05:25] um, I did also notice too it seems like the storytelling device is

[01:05:30] Rafiki is

[01:05:32] narrating the rise of Mufasa and Timon and Pumba look to be

[01:05:37] Like there's one shot of like scar from the first film because you could see the pride lands are on fire and Timon like launches its scar in mid air

[01:05:46] That just leads me to believe that Timon and Pumba are probably going to be

[01:05:51] adding exaggerated elements to the film in some way. I I also don't know like

[01:05:58] You know just how

[01:06:01] Uh, like like their inclusion for example like the like bringing back stuff rogan billy eichner

[01:06:06] It just feels like something that the story doesn't necessarily need

[01:06:10] but

[01:06:11] You know there there are such big hits on the comedic side and they didn't want to bother maybe to create all new comedic characters

[01:06:19] I don't know like i'm already like questioning

[01:06:22] Certain aspects of a story that I don't already know and that's a that's a major problem for me

[01:06:28] Yeah, it's going to be kind of like Lion King one and a half where Timon and Pumba

[01:06:32] Given their little comedic side shows during that

[01:06:35] and

[01:06:36] That wasn't really good that

[01:06:39] Um creative idea. So I don't think it's going to

[01:06:43] Work so well here. It might be good for the kids, but again, we're going back to that whole

[01:06:47] Family thing with the parents do they want to bring their kids here again?

[01:06:51] So I don't think it's like creatively and narratively a smart decision

[01:06:55] This thing's gonna make so much money though. Like we all know that this thing is going to just decimate the box office

[01:07:01] But beyond season and she's gonna get a song

[01:07:04] Well, I mean how much is she in it?

[01:07:06] Come on. I I mean it doesn't matter and also speaking of songs

[01:07:10] They held off on announcing this until the day of this teaser

[01:07:14] Lin-Manuel Miranda is the one that's creating all new songs for the movie

[01:07:17] And naturally I can see why they waited until now

[01:07:23] Okay, but

[01:07:25] But I also feel like

[01:07:26] I don't know. I think most people still really like Lin-Manuel Miranda

[01:07:30] I know that he is very overexposed and online

[01:07:33] Everybody like finds him to be annoying, but

[01:07:36] I feel like

[01:07:37] General audiences still like that guy and like what he does and

[01:07:41] I I don't know for me. It feels like the Lin-Manuel Miranda hate is mostly an online thing

[01:07:47] But when you go out into the public, they're like, yeah, I like him

[01:07:50] I still like Hamilton and I can understand why they would

[01:07:54] I think the reason they would hold him back is more

[01:07:56] So just holding back information that this might be more of a musical than they want to admit

[01:08:00] I completely agree, Josh. I also find it telling to some degree

[01:08:05] That Lin-Manuel Miranda chose to work on this project rather than Moana 2

[01:08:11] So I don't know read into that however you will well Moana

[01:08:15] Moana 2 was also going to be a Disney plus show that they decided at the last minute to

[01:08:20] Take all those scraps and make a movie to release at theaters for some reason

[01:08:24] Yeah, that makes sense. Maybe he just saw this as a better opportunity for his career

[01:08:29] Writing for a movie that's gonna have Beyonce in it. Yeah, I'm sure he thought that was gonna be better

[01:08:34] And a chance to work with Barry Jenkins. I'm sure sure. Yeah

[01:08:38] I do see a Nicholas Patel still has a music credit on this so that also still gives me

[01:08:44] A little bit of hope

[01:08:47] I don't know to what capacity he's working on this alongside Hans Zimmer for L

[01:08:51] Williams and limo and Miranda and lebo and oh my god. There are so many people involved in this but

[01:08:57] Uh, we'll say

[01:08:59] We will say I am nervous. Let's move on

[01:09:04] Lee

[01:09:06] Not in any way related to the recent release of civil war

[01:09:10] This biographical drama about

[01:09:13] Lee Miller is being released in theaters on

[01:09:18] September 13th

[01:09:20] Uh, it had its world premiere at last year's Toronto International Film Festival stars kate lindslet

[01:09:25] Let's take a look at the trailer for this one. Let's give some thoughts. Why does it matter?

[01:09:31] There's just pictures

[01:09:38] Do you want the world to know about you? You think I went to war so people would know my name

[01:09:44] So dan, you like my joke

[01:09:48] I uh, I can't

[01:09:54] Oh god, all right, loran you're a massive k-1slet fan. What'd you think? I mean, I'll support her

[01:10:02] I know um, that it's not good from what people have said and let's be honest

[01:10:07] It can't be award season if every other year this woman is not actively trying to force her way into the conversation

[01:10:14] And I appreciate how much she wants to be part of it

[01:10:17] It looks fine. It looks very dramatic

[01:10:20] Um, what did you guys think of the overall film?

[01:10:23] Uh, well, I think matt's the only one who saw it at tiff of this group of this group. Yes

[01:10:30] Um, I gave it a five out of ten

[01:10:33] I

[01:10:35] Could tell it was undoubtedly meant to be a showcase film for k winslet and her talents and she is

[01:10:41] She is good in the movie. She's serviceable

[01:10:44] But this is such a conventionally told film

[01:10:48] Uh, if it really doesn't utilize her fully until the third act that's where her performance really shines the brightest

[01:10:55] Um, believe it or not the MVP of this movie is andy sandberg good for him

[01:11:00] That is shocking

[01:11:03] I'm not kidding. This is his most mature and nuanced work. I've ever seen him do. Wow

[01:11:08] He was greatness, uh, but yeah, it's a very

[01:11:12] mid

[01:11:13] Movie overall some people might like it. I mean it has what a 60. Yeah 68% rotten tomatoes right now

[01:11:20] It seems to be a just a mid movie, you know, you're gonna range anywhere probably from the four to seven range

[01:11:27] I'm not gonna see probably a lot of people rank this

[01:11:30] Really highly and I think the performances from sandberg and winslet keep it from being a total dud

[01:11:37] I wouldn't say you have to rush out to see it

[01:11:40] But if you have an opportunity to check it out, if anything

[01:11:43] Watch it just to see what andy sandberg is capable of because I was quite amazed by what he was doing in this movie

[01:11:50] I just heard such bad things about this movie

[01:11:52] Honestly, like my perception was not that it got mixed reviews

[01:11:56] Even though rotten tomatoes kind of bears that out, I guess

[01:11:59] but it just seems like the more vocal people really did not like the movie and

[01:12:04] You know, it's funny. We talk about stuff that looks like streaming films

[01:12:07] This actually looks like one of those hbo biopics from like a decade ago

[01:12:12] Yes, would have still started King Winslet by the way

[01:12:15] Yes, I'm actually surprised that they did not pick this up out of tiff

[01:12:19] It is so Hemingway and gal horn

[01:12:22] I am not just lying

[01:12:24] Yeah, so from that point of view that it doesn't really look like something to rush out to go to see either in the fact that the critical reception wasn't

[01:12:33] Amazing for it either. Yeah, I'm not I can't say that I'm like really looking forward to it

[01:12:38] I do like hate winslet. It's good to hear about andy sandberg that he's really good in it too

[01:12:43] but

[01:12:44] Just from this trailer it does look very

[01:12:47] Pedestrian and not like something I would be very excited to see

[01:12:51] I think part of the reason why this didn't get picked up maybe by a place like hbo is because

[01:12:57] It does have a lot of star power within its cast

[01:13:00] You know, you have alexander scars guard andrea rise burrow marion koti art is in it. Yeah

[01:13:06] uh nuemi merlont josh o'connor's in it

[01:13:09] There's a lot of names in this film. Yeah, but I mean there's yeah, but like hbo projects can't have names

[01:13:15] But I think they saw that there was potential

[01:13:17] I was about to say like yeah for this to do better in the box office maybe

[01:13:21] Yeah, I'm kind of shocked that you were just quote-unquote mid because I kind of was under the impression

[01:13:26] It was like the biggest loser of tiff. I mean it was considering like what it was positioned at

[01:13:33] You know, it definitely was a

[01:13:35] Disappointment in many people's eyes. I'm even looking at my friend's letterbox right now

[01:13:39] There is not a single star rating below a five out of ten

[01:13:43] But there's also not a single star rating. That's above a seven

[01:13:48] So I think that it just in terms of like is this an oscar vehicle for kate winslet and you look at the names of this

[01:13:57] Film like on paper and you think to yourself. Oh, this is clearly like an oscar bait type of thing

[01:14:03] And then when you see it, yeah, it's a disappointment. I think that's why it got this

[01:14:08] Perception around it that it was like the biggest loser of tiff. It's not the um

[01:14:14] Like worst film you're gonna see this year

[01:14:17] But in terms of something that probably should have been a lot better than what it ended up being. Yeah, I would agree with that

[01:14:23] I mean it's a bit of a shame that it doesn't seem like it's a better movie because I was actually rooting for the director

[01:14:29] Ellen curris who yes started off as a cinematographer. She was the dp for eternal sunshine. She's done a lot of tv work

[01:14:35] So I think this is her first. It's her first film. Yeah

[01:14:38] Yeah, so I was rooting for just based on that but it's kind of unfortunate that it sounds like it was a

[01:14:44] Disappointment for a lot of people

[01:14:47] Yeah, well

[01:14:49] You know you live and you learn

[01:14:51] All right, let's head on over to the polls before we head over to fan questions

[01:14:54] For last week's poll for the release of the fall guy. We asked everyone

[01:14:59] What has been your favorite?

[01:15:02] action film

[01:15:03] From the last

[01:15:05] 20 years

[01:15:09] Damn bear. What's your go-to answer for this?

[01:15:12] Oh

[01:15:13] Well, I oh that's that's hard

[01:15:16] um

[01:15:17] I feel like whenever we get a question like this, they want to like

[01:15:21] cut out

[01:15:22] Things that like straddle genres like so okay, so not avatar because that's sci-fi fantasy

[01:15:30] You know stuff like that

[01:15:33] Cut it down to like pure action shit and

[01:15:36] Honestly, I feel like I just have to go with

[01:15:39] The mission impossible franchise

[01:15:42] That's a good answer

[01:15:44] Like I I mean if like sure forced me to pick one and I guess I'll say ghost protocol

[01:15:49] But really all of the mission impossible movies are just you know

[01:15:54] Wow chef's kiss

[01:15:55] A plus action cinema

[01:15:58] All right, lauren. What about you?

[01:16:00] I am in love with 87 11. I think they're the coolest guys in

[01:16:06] The filmmaking world right now. So I want to just highlight all of john wick to be honest

[01:16:11] I just think they're so fucking awesome

[01:16:13] My favorite is the third because you're doing kind of everything. They're doing hand to hand. They're doing cars

[01:16:19] They're doing bikes. They're doing horses and dogs and

[01:16:22] All of these crazy things. So I think that entire world is just awesome and how we're seeing more

[01:16:29] Stunties and stuntmen become you know stunt coordinators to then just directors of their own films are pretty

[01:16:35] cool and awesome

[01:16:37] And um in terms of

[01:16:39] Kind of go into the mcu. I really do appreciate the action in winter soldier

[01:16:43] I think that's their best one and um, that's also you know, just 87 11 being awesome with their hand to hand combat

[01:16:50] So that's what I really resonate with but um, yeah, john wick 3

[01:16:54] Bite on a horse can already if it's the hottest thing ever

[01:16:57] All right

[01:16:59] Josh parm. What about you?

[01:17:01] my I think my head would say

[01:17:04] Mad Max fury road

[01:17:05] But my heart is split between the scenery l and rr r

[01:17:10] Yeah, I was gonna say if I first speak one movie rr r. Yeah

[01:17:15] My go-to answer is mad max fury road. I think it's the

[01:17:19] Greatest action film I've ever seen in my entire life

[01:17:23] Uh, but if I had to say one ever film you all know i'm probably gonna say john wick chapter four

[01:17:30] All right, I am really curious to see this ranking and see what the mbp film community did here

[01:17:38] I'll just say for the record the runner up that did not make the top 10 was

[01:17:44] Avengers endgame. Okay. Okay. Well interesting choice

[01:17:49] number 10 is

[01:17:52] Casino Royale. All right. I'll take the top 10. That's really nice. Yeah

[01:17:57] Number nine this should be higher

[01:18:01] Is the raid? Oh

[01:18:04] I think it's just still under scene. It's been around long enough. How have people not seen this

[01:18:09] Sub titles matt. Yeah, well subtitles number eight is rr r

[01:18:14] Yeah

[01:18:18] Number seven is Christopher Nolan's inception. Oh, okay

[01:18:24] I I get it from a pure spectacle and story standpoint, but from an action standpoint this would not make the top 10 for me

[01:18:32] Yeah, it's weird like I don't even think of it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't even think of it as an action movie

[01:18:37] Even though it is I guess

[01:18:40] Well, that's probably what you're gonna say about this next one dan. Oh no number six is dune part two

[01:18:48] Okay, the knife fight was really cool

[01:18:50] That is true. I mean the final like 15 minutes of the movie

[01:18:54] I think you know warrants it being here and you know, there's like guerrilla warfare action taking place throughout the movie

[01:19:02] But yeah, I I do get what you said earlier dan where it's like strip away genre elements. Let's go by like pure action here

[01:19:09] Doesn't seem like the mbp phone community took that to heart so much in this list

[01:19:12] But that's okay because these are all really good films

[01:19:15] True, but I do think there's enough of a perception that it's an action movie that I'm fine

[01:19:21] But that's inclusion like I think there are much worse examples where people are like

[01:19:25] It's an action movie because there's maybe one scene where it gets a little bit more

[01:19:30] Excitable, I feel like dune has enough where like if you were to ask a general audience member

[01:19:36] Would you call that an action movie? I do think would say yes

[01:19:39] There's a war. We'll let it slide. Yeah. Yeah

[01:19:43] Well, let's get the blood flowing and the adrenaline racing for this next one number five is top gun maverick

[01:19:52] Nice

[01:19:53] Excellent choice. Love that movie

[01:19:57] Number four back to back tom cruise mission impossible fallout. Nice

[01:20:03] I think that is my favorite one of the group those protocols a close second

[01:20:08] Fallouts definitely my favorite as well. I mean

[01:20:11] Henry uh cavill just by pumping his uh his arms to fight

[01:20:18] Don't bring that up don't bring that up that man clocked in to work that day

[01:20:26] Number three is john wick chapter four hell yes

[01:20:33] Number two the dark night

[01:20:39] Okay

[01:20:41] deflation

[01:20:43] Well, it's so expected. I think it's just the thing and also another one. We're like

[01:20:48] Action sure, okay

[01:20:51] Okay

[01:20:57] It is not the most egregious one i'll say

[01:21:00] I did it. I understand that because yes a lot of that movie does play it more

[01:21:05] Straight but like there are multiple giant action set pieces in that movie

[01:21:11] It's that yeah, come on. Yeah

[01:21:14] It's got drama in it. Yes, but that is an action movie

[01:21:17] Number one goes without saying greatest action movie of all time mad max fury road. Yeah

[01:21:24] Everybody even said when they were voting they were like i'm curious to see what the ranking is but mad max is gonna win

[01:21:30] Yeah, we all knew that

[01:21:33] All right, so for this week's poll for the release of kingdom of the plan of the apes

[01:21:36] We are asking you all to tell us what is your favorite kingdom of the planet

[01:21:41] Well plan of the apes movie. Maybe it is kingdom of the plan of the apes. I don't know

[01:21:44] But all 10 films in the plan of the apes franchise including

[01:21:48] For 2001 tim burton film are listed here for you to choose from

[01:21:53] So josh parm, what has been your favorite plan of the apes film?

[01:21:57] I think my favorite is war for the plan of the apes

[01:22:02] I think that's the one that I would rank it number one

[01:22:04] I remember watching that movie and just feeling like this was a perfect combination of

[01:22:09] huge blockbuster

[01:22:11] Spectacle but also really great character work at the same time and I really really did

[01:22:18] Did like that film

[01:22:21] I will just say to defend a little bit some aspects of the burton film while I understand it is

[01:22:26] Far far from perfect. I do really love that tim roth performance

[01:22:29] I think it's actually one of the best performances in his career. So if only for that, I would signal that one and

[01:22:36] But for me the number one is war for the plan of the apes. I think that one is just pretty exceptional

[01:22:42] Is there a soul in there?

[01:22:45] So good. I think you're great and the makeup is incredible in that movie too. Yes

[01:22:50] agreed

[01:22:51] Uh i2 was once a war for the plan of the apes number one guy

[01:22:56] The rewatch that we did

[01:22:58] Where we reviewed dawn of the plan of the apes for the podcast

[01:23:02] Tipped me over into saying that that is now my favorite film of the franchise

[01:23:06] So dawn of the plan of the apes for me dan bear. What about you?

[01:23:09] Planet of the apes franchise has never been my favorite

[01:23:14] But I mean, I think especially the reboots they're all kind of equally

[01:23:20] Good and I was impressed that they pulled any of them off as well as they did

[01:23:25] But for me the the original remains my my favorite. There is something that is

[01:23:32] I it's just a much weirder movie

[01:23:34] I think that you expect it to be and I love that about it

[01:23:41] Lauren lamagna, what's your favorite? I mean, yeah, it's obviously the first one because I just melted

[01:23:47] My little brain when I saw it and I think it melted all of our brains when we saw it

[01:23:50] But I'm I'm gonna say rise. I really think that's a solid

[01:23:55] Kickstart to this, you know new version of planet of the apes and I really

[01:23:59] connected with Caesar and

[01:24:02] Historia and the character development dramatic irony is a sucker for me. So I love

[01:24:09] Knowing that we're

[01:24:10] Going into like a tragedy or the fall of something and I just love how it's good sci-fi

[01:24:15] It's a cautionary tale of how us humans kind of destroy ourselves and we see Caesar

[01:24:21] You know become self-actualized and realize

[01:24:23] What he wants anything that works really well and kind of kickstart the new franchise. So I'm gonna say rise

[01:24:30] Andy circus should have gotten a goddamn oscar. Yep. Oh

[01:24:37] Incredible incredible performance. Yeah, and you know, I also do want to very quickly mention that

[01:24:43] I figured that nobody was going to

[01:24:45] Give it a notice to the other movies that were the sequels to the original film because those have kind of largely

[01:24:53] disappeared from the public consciousness. I I knew

[01:24:56] but

[01:24:57] Escaping the planet of the apes is my favorite of those sequels

[01:25:01] and

[01:25:02] I would like more people to check that one out because it's

[01:25:05] It's actually a lot funnier than you would expect it to be

[01:25:07] But it also still has a pretty engaging like mystery that you're following to and

[01:25:12] It's it's like 70s goofy, but also still

[01:25:16] Thrilling in some parts like it's kind of a strange film

[01:25:19] But I really do like and I do think of the

[01:25:22] Original run of sequels. It is my favorite of that group

[01:25:25] All right

[01:25:25] Well head on over to the polls page nextbestpicture.com and cast a vote tell us which is your favorite planet of the apes film

[01:25:32] You could choose up to four choices and we will announce the winner on next week's show

[01:25:39] Uh now for fan questions from the nbp film community. Let's see what they had to ask us for this week

[01:25:47] Coming up on five minute news. I'm antony davis

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[01:26:01] americans listening to the radio or to podcasts because

[01:26:05] The news landscape in the states has been so partisan

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[01:26:23] Richard hula hand between love lies bleeding and being added to the cast of a24's upcoming huntington

[01:26:29] Are we seeing a return to form for oscar nominee ed harris?

[01:26:34] I didn't realize that he

[01:26:37] Went anywhere and had to return to form. I feel like ed harris has been doing the same thing now for decades. Don't you all agree?

[01:26:44] Yeah, just not on the same level. It seems like I think he's been actively working for sure, but

[01:26:50] I can't really think of a

[01:26:52] High-profile project that he's been in lately either. No, but he's always been like a supporting guy to me

[01:26:57] No, he always shows up somewhere

[01:26:59] Yeah, yeah, he's always been kind of a supporting actor

[01:27:02] But I don't know. I just feel like the the level of exposure is nowhere near as where it was like back in the 90s

[01:27:09] For instance peter rabbits awards buzz spider-man 3

[01:27:13] Got a rerelease during the week and it looks like the audiences are enjoying it more of this time around than they originally did

[01:27:18] When it was released in theaters

[01:27:21] Uh, which movie in the past that unfairly got a lot of hate and critically

[01:27:26] Panned do you think deserves a second chance and a public apology from the mainstream?

[01:27:32] Oh, that's funny. Uh

[01:27:34] I loved the original fantastic four films. Did you really I thought they were really fun as a little child

[01:27:41] I did a 20-something chris evans as johnny storm

[01:27:45] Hello, who doesn't like that? Um, so

[01:27:49] I would happily go back to the film to the movie theaters to see that sucker on the big screen

[01:27:54] Put chris evans as johnny storm in the louvre. Okay

[01:27:59] It's great when he goes like and picture that but everywhere in like a pink sweat like it's great

[01:28:06] Perfect, perfect

[01:28:08] Ben sears how much does a 24s acquisition of paulo sorrentino's

[01:28:13] Parfennope help its awards chances

[01:28:16] I think very well

[01:28:18] Considering just the general landscape. Yeah

[01:28:21] And the fact that they have money to spend like as long as the movie's good. Yeah

[01:28:26] Well, it's gamble with him. We'll see

[01:28:29] What was the last sorrentino film that a 24 had have they had I don't think they have yeah

[01:28:35] So this is so this is the first time that they're ever working with him. Pretty sure

[01:28:39] I thought it was

[01:28:40] Uh, then in that case, I would say yeah pretty pretty strong

[01:28:44] If they're willing to go into business with him

[01:28:46] I mean they got the international feature winner last year the most recent one. So yeah

[01:28:54] Oscar h early palm door prediction. Oh god

[01:28:59] I just really want to see

[01:29:01] I want to see if neon can do it again. Yeah. Yeah, that's why that's why i'm saying shan bakers inora by default right now

[01:29:11] Oh wait, uh, why is he going on such a rampage?

[01:29:16] He just wants to set the record straight because people are not saying the correct runtime of his film. Yeah one minute

[01:29:23] He's an artist you want people to report accurately. Yeah

[01:29:26] I know I would

[01:29:28] Wow, I've just never seen someone so upset

[01:29:32] He wants accurate information out there about his movie. Yeah

[01:29:36] Part of me is like good for him and the other part is like this is the thing that you choose to

[01:29:41] Go to war about okay

[01:29:43] I'm sure he'll have a lot to go to war about after this film screens

[01:29:48] Uh, josey demarco in honor of cinco de mayo favorite movie set in mexico

[01:29:54] Oh

[01:29:57] I think though the one that just comes up up top of my head first is it um, i'm a tambien

[01:30:02] Yes, that's where my brain went. Yeah, or I mean

[01:30:07] Can I say rotting in the sun?

[01:30:09] I don't know if it's my favorite really but um, it's one of the most memorable

[01:30:18] I'll also throw roma and sacchario in the conversation as well

[01:30:25] If it has a yellow filter, you know, it's set in mexico, right?

[01:30:32] Seriously we got to stop that trend

[01:30:35] Oh, wait

[01:30:36] Was I carry you with me in mexico

[01:30:40] Or another

[01:30:41] Central american country. I can't remember. I want to count um, coco. I thought that was a really sweet

[01:30:47] Yeah, lovely film. Coco was so good. Mm-hmm. I carry you with me was mexico dan

[01:30:53] Yeah, I'll I'll say that then I I like that movie a lot

[01:30:57] Another one I really liked was identifying features

[01:31:02] God yes, that was excellent

[01:31:04] Nancy malary air b&b recently launched stays at iconic houses including the ones from up and purple rain

[01:31:12] Which one would you want to visit and which iconic movie house or setting should air b&b recreate in the future?

[01:31:18] Wait, is the purple rain one supposed to be like his house?

[01:31:21] I haven't seen that one. Yeah, I haven't seen it personally so I can't yeah

[01:31:24] I saw the one from up but like if it's just his house from purple rain

[01:31:28] It was like a dump in minnesota like it wasn't that great

[01:31:33] That's my memory is that his house wasn't that like a really well done

[01:31:37] Prince's purple rain house in minneapolis is becoming an air b&b

[01:31:41] That's the headline that i'm seeing okay. Well, that feels more like a it just is

[01:31:46] Associated to prince because my memory is that it wasn't a glamorous like living space that he was in in that movie

[01:31:53] I will say the up one. I big nope energy from me. Yeah, absolutely not

[01:31:59] You couldn't you couldn't pay me no could not pay me money to do that

[01:32:05] No, I would love for them to put me in like the downtown abbey castle. Oh, that'd be nice

[01:32:11] Yeah, I would

[01:32:15] They don't have to put me in the house, but they could just put me in any one of nancy mires's kitchens

[01:32:20] It's

[01:32:22] I I actually would love to stay in uh the adams family mansion. Oh, that's that's good. I think that would be kind of fun

[01:32:32] Uh, therefore I review asks what's croninberg's chances at the palm with the shrouds

[01:32:38] He's been loved there in the past

[01:32:41] But will the jury take to a potentially controversial horror film?

[01:32:45] I mean, I I do feel that there is like this growing sentiment of

[01:32:51] Like we got to do this at some point if not now win

[01:32:55] Right. Yeah exactly. I mean

[01:32:58] It didn't happen for crimes of the future

[01:33:00] Like it can't happen if the movie's not worthy, you know

[01:33:03] Yeah

[01:33:04] I just feel like he got so screwed out of winning and he he deserves to win

[01:33:08] Oh, absolutely

[01:33:09] But at can in particular it really does feel like the quality of the film outweighs the we need to honor this person

[01:33:16] thing

[01:33:18] Generally speaking at least

[01:33:20] And jurors change every year. So yeah, you just that's what makes it

[01:33:25] predicting the palm so difficult because you it's not like the academy where like yeah

[01:33:29] They might add new members but generally you're working with the same

[01:33:33] Group of people that just slightly shifts a little bit over time

[01:33:36] These are completely different groups that are judging these movies every year. So it's

[01:33:41] Like maybe there'll be a sentiment for him and the movie, but there might just be feelings elsewhere too

[01:33:47] It's very hard to know

[01:33:49] What was like the last genuinely shocking palm door winner in your opinion?

[01:33:56] I mean just based on subject matter, I do think tatan was pretty it was a pretty daring choice

[01:34:02] No, because tatan had the buzz though. That's that's why I think like it was it was an awesome choice

[01:34:08] Don't get me wrong, but it wasn't like, huh?

[01:34:11] Like

[01:34:12] I'm talking like a movie that nobody was even thinking had a shot to win and then it like somehow magically won

[01:34:18] I don't know. Well, I mean

[01:34:20] I feel like that doesn't really happen. There are lots of films that get booed that win the palm

[01:34:26] I remember that happened for the Tree of Life, but I don't ever remember the palm coming completely out of nowhere

[01:34:33] Well, maybe the second Ken Loach win

[01:34:35] Uh the win that shakes to barley. No, not the what did he win? I mean, I Daniel Blake. Yeah, I Daniel Blake. Yeah

[01:34:43] Yeah, that one to me is a good example of one that I feel like

[01:34:47] uh, a lot of people weren't talking about a lot of people thought it would go to the handmaiden or

[01:34:52] Um, I remember there was a lot of buzz for L that year

[01:34:56] Tony Erdman had a lot of buzz

[01:34:59] I do feel like the square also was kind of an uh out of left field winner. Maybe to an extent

[01:35:07] I guess

[01:35:08] Not out of left field, but yeah

[01:35:11] slightly unexpected

[01:35:13] maybe like 2007 that was a very

[01:35:16] stellar year

[01:35:18] With like four months three weeks two days. Yeah, but I mean

[01:35:23] But that's the kind of film though that when you watch it it is undeniable

[01:35:26] No, yeah, it makes sense now, but that was just remember that was like a heavy heavy year

[01:35:30] Like that be no country, right? Uh, no country wasn't oh, yeah. No, it was yeah

[01:35:35] Yeah, it was there was a can yeah. It was in competition

[01:35:39] Yeah, and diving down the butterfly. I remember also got a lot of buzz. Yeah

[01:35:45] I remember people being somewhat shocked when

[01:35:49] Blue is the warmest color one even though a lot of people

[01:35:53] Did predict it and it had the buzz that year. I just remember people being shocked that it actually happened

[01:35:59] I kind of felt the same way

[01:36:02] A little bit when anatomy. No, no, that's how I kind of felt with um with a triangle of sadness when at one two

[01:36:09] Oh, yeah

[01:36:10] Because out of all the reactions that year that was the one that got the most like

[01:36:15] Oh my god, you need to see this to believe this this movie is wild

[01:36:19] You know and I just remember thinking oh well, they're not going to give it to ruben oslin

[01:36:24] So soon again. No that that's not gonna happen again. Yeah. Yeah

[01:36:29] Probably shouldn't have

[01:36:33] Probably

[01:36:36] At fief cgt a question for any person from nbp

[01:36:41] What is the film you struggled the most to write about for any reason?

[01:36:46] ever

[01:36:47] Sure. Oh

[01:36:49] Uh, you know, I can't think of anything like specific, but I always feel like the movies that are just

[01:36:56] Yeah, it's the far always the hardest to write when you don't have a strong opinion about it

[01:37:02] It's like it's fine. It's like the five

[01:37:06] Six out of tens those are those are always the toughest because it's like you're just trying to figure out

[01:37:11] A way to describe your feelings about a movie that you don't really have a strong feeling of either way

[01:37:17] I don't know. I find I sometimes find that those aren't so much difficult to write as they are difficult to determine

[01:37:22] What my final grade is

[01:37:24] Because the ones where that are like where I have both positive and negative thoughts

[01:37:28] I feel like I have more to say sometimes

[01:37:31] I feel like the it's harder for me to write

[01:37:34] reviews for movies that I

[01:37:36] really love

[01:37:38] Because I get so in my head

[01:37:41] About like this movie is so great and I am a shit writer

[01:37:46] You know

[01:37:47] No, I Dan I completely agree. That's my struggle too is

[01:37:51] Anytime I have like a big review for a big movie where there's like a lot of expectation

[01:37:57] Or I'm like, oh crap like a lot of people are going to read this

[01:38:00] I I do get in my own head of oh man. I have to write something that's worthy of

[01:38:05] The anticipation and the buzz that this movie has generated

[01:38:09] I write like such a maniac. I write out of order. I don't do my ranking until the very end

[01:38:14] That's my last thing that I do

[01:38:16] I kind of agree with josh

[01:38:17] I the ones that are harder the ones that I really don't have

[01:38:20] That many opinions on or if I have a really long window to write it

[01:38:24] I do best when the empower goes really close so I can just bang everything out and really get

[01:38:30] all of my thoughts on paper and can

[01:38:33] Freshly organize something that normally helps me a lot

[01:38:37] But yeah, everything is always out of order. I'm always cutting and slicing and um underlining words and phrases saying

[01:38:43] Better word now like this is not read well

[01:38:47] I'm like I'm writing and editing at the same time. It's a horrible process

[01:38:51] But but I would say the one's where I'm just like it's fine and everything about it is just fine and

[01:38:58] I don't like to critique for what it's not. I like to critique it for what it is and when what it is is just overall fine

[01:39:05] um

[01:39:06] It's kind of hard to

[01:39:08] Put that towards well

[01:39:10] I can think of one specific time where I really had trouble writing something

[01:39:16] And this was years ago. This is before I was writing for nvp

[01:39:20] But I was doing a retrospective piece on crouching tiger hidden dragon

[01:39:26] and

[01:39:28] I had to like restart watching the movie three times because I would get like an hour in and realize

[01:39:35] I completely forgot to take any notes

[01:39:41] Because the movie is so good and so engaging

[01:39:46] It's a very unique problem for a movie to have like it's so good. You forget to actually like critique it. You're just watching it

[01:39:53] Yeah, it's just watching to enjoy and yeah, that's that was really

[01:39:59] Difficult for me because I kept like going back to my nothing. What do I want to say about this movie?

[01:40:04] I don't know. It's just a great movie

[01:40:07] and then just like trying to

[01:40:09] um decipher your notes that are just scribble and barely legible

[01:40:15] That's always fun. It's always fun

[01:40:17] so yeah, just trying to see what I was thinking in the moment and

[01:40:22] Trying to make it into proper sentences

[01:40:25] also so difficult to write a review for a mediocre documentary because

[01:40:31] Oh, god

[01:40:33] You can't even say like any of the performances or anything right about like that is like the most difficult thing to do

[01:40:40] Truly

[01:40:42] Especially when it's about a subject that you're very

[01:40:45] Invested in and you like the subject you like the story but the way the film itself was executed

[01:40:51] Was not

[01:40:53] So you really like what's being made or what's being talked about and what's being spoken about

[01:40:57] But you just don't like the way the film itself was made and trying to um

[01:41:03] Put those into two different camps. That's always a little bit challenging because I want to

[01:41:07] Praise, you know, whatever the film is discussing, but I don't think the film itself is great

[01:41:12] And that's where a 600 word review is typically born in my opinion

[01:41:18] It's like no, it's a fuck 600 we got to 555

[01:41:22] Fine. I'm calling it

[01:41:25] It's just fine

[01:41:27] All right, isiah washington taking us home here with ones gotta go for ryan gosseling

[01:41:33] Oh god

[01:41:34] All right between these four films one's gotta go. Okay the nice guys

[01:41:39] La la land drive barbie. Oh, this is so easy for me

[01:41:45] Oh

[01:41:48] Oh, I personally don't have taste. I do not enjoy la la land. Um, so I will happily let that one go

[01:41:56] This is really hard for me

[01:41:59] But I love the other three of these movies and I only

[01:42:04] Really like the nice guys

[01:42:06] So

[01:42:07] I guess it's that one

[01:42:09] uh for me, I

[01:42:12] like all these

[01:42:13] but

[01:42:17] Hmm, I'm gonna I'm gonna forgo a barbie

[01:42:20] I am easily dropping la la land

[01:42:24] Which I am not like I don't hate that movie. I just think it's okay

[01:42:29] But I also am of the opinion that I think ryan gosseling is like one of my least favorite things in that movie

[01:42:35] I actually don't really like him that much in the film. So that makes it even easier for me to drop the movie from this group

[01:42:42] more sub for me

[01:42:45] You can have them

[01:42:48] I'll have the nice guys. Thank you

[01:42:51] 1970s era ryan gosseling with that mustache. Yes. Oh, yeah

[01:42:55] beautiful

[01:42:57] Also too probably in my opinion, uh, what top three top two best performances he's ever done

[01:43:04] Yeah, thank you. You're excellent in that

[01:43:07] I loved it

[01:43:08] Just the charm the comedy

[01:43:10] The wet everything so funny

[01:43:12] Uh before we go

[01:43:14] I want to just acknowledge the passing of uh, bernard hill, which was announced a few minutes before we

[01:43:21] Hopped on to this recording

[01:43:23] Most people will know him from starring in titanic and the lord of the rings films

[01:43:28] But he also had a very lengthy career on stage

[01:43:32] And uh was of course another uh films as well

[01:43:35] but um, yeah, just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge that before we left here today. It's uh

[01:43:42] Something that's weighing a little heavily on my mind right now

[01:43:44] I mean being a part of two of the biggest

[01:43:48] Movies that have ever been made is yeah quite an accomplishment and like as you said Matt. Yeah, he has

[01:43:55] Had so many other credits

[01:43:56] But those are the roles that most people are going to remember him for and for good reason because he's

[01:44:02] Great in both of those in lord of the rings that he brings such a presence

[01:44:06] To that character and even further something small and titanic like for a certain generation

[01:44:13] He will forever be the guy that we end the first tape of titanic

[01:44:19] That is his more defining legacy to me honestly

[01:44:23] Yeah

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