Mitti De Baway: Mahira Khan, Wahaj Ali and a Drama Built on a Grand Scale (extended)

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[00:00:41] and better content. Visit us at patreon.com slash Khandaan Podcast. Hi, and welcome to a new episode of Khandaan Podcast. My name is Asim Birney and I'm joined with my lovely co-host Amritha. Hello, Asim. Sujoy, he didn't want to be part of this. He was like, this is this is way too pro-Pakistani for me. I don't want to be part of this episode.

[00:01:04] Um, so we have Sophia, Sophia, Sophia Q, how I call her because that's she like, I've been following her content for so long. Amritha, you might not know because we actually became Twitter friends. Uh, uh, uh, yeah. And, uh, like, I love all of the takes she has like the bad Bollywood, the music, but the thing I go to for you is for Pakistani drama recommendations. Um, and that's why we have

[00:01:31] you here because this episode is going to be about Mitti De Baway. Um, uh, so why did you say it? Why did you say it like that? I don't know. I don't know. Like this, this is my, uh, this is my, uh, this is my as Punjabi as I can get. That was that. Sophia, are you Punjabi? I am not Punjabi. Yeah. None of us are Punjabi speakers. So we're like, I do understand. So we're all a bunch of Maida Khans here on this. Uh, yes, yes.

[00:01:58] Absolutely. Representing. Um, yeah, no, uh, yeah. Sophia, you want to tell a bit about your, uh, Twitter and Instagram content? Sure. Um, I've been reviewing Pakistani dramas since around 2009, because there wasn't really any kind of avenue for that at the time. And I watched it and I wanted to discuss it, but there was no one to discuss it with. So I started reviewing and then that kind of moved into around COVID. I started writing, um, and then it moved into TikTok. And of course,

[00:02:28] I've been active on Twitter since 2018 or so. So it's just kind of always been, everything started around Pakistani dramas and I included my love for Bollywood. And that's where we just kind of took off from one more reason that I'm jealous that I don't have TikTok because I would have been on, like, I know so many people who are obsessed with Pakistani dramas and they're just like looking for like, you know, better content around it because they're just like, who's talking about it?

[00:02:56] And who's like, because a lot of it isn't like Urdu and stuff. Right. So they're like, people are just like, well, I don't know what they're saying. And like the translation is the pits. Like, how do I engage with this? So it's always one of my biggest things has been that I'm constantly just cheerleading for subtitles, not because I need them, but because other people need them. And it's kind of a disservice to the industry when no one else can watch it. Yeah. Let's talk about that a little bit before, before we get into drama, because I have, there's a

[00:03:26] few elements that have kind of popped up on the Pakistani content side of things. Right. I agree with you completely. Like the whole subtitle thing annoys the crap out of me. And I don't know if you guys have it, but a lot of times when I switch on subtitles, there's subtitles in Hindi instead of in English. And it's automated. It's automated. It means that it's just picking it up from the audio and they've not included them at all. Yeah. Annoying like Hindi as in like the script.

[00:03:52] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, yeah, like, cause I'm thinking they thought, oh, our majority of audiences coming from India and which is probably true. Right. So the automated sub captions, when you turn them on are in Hindi instead of translated English. So a lot of interesting because like, there's a lot of like South Indians that watch Pakistani drama. Aren't reading the, so that's really interesting. So it's serving nobody.

[00:04:16] Yes. You're serving like five people who are like, get to Pakistan. Yeah, exactly. You're serving the people that don't want to watch your stuff basically. So that's annoying me. But I think there's a few channels that are on there that have really kind of like up their game. And I think green TV is one of them. Right. Yes. Well, sort of. Yes. When they started, I feel like they had really started on a positive note.

[00:04:45] They were trying to introduce all this progressive content. But then I think in the last two years or so, they've kind of been, I don't even know how to say it. They've been selective. They've been picking picking one or two good shows and then the rest is just catered to the masses. Oh, really? But this is definitely a big one. Hmm. Is it an aggregator or is it like a content producer? Because I've never heard of green team before this show. It's a producer. I think they're like an official. Like I don't remember

[00:05:14] when they were. Like an official. Yeah, they launched like a couple of years ago and I think they came later in the game. I want to say it was like 2023 or 2024. Yeah, quite recent compared to the other ones. And I think they were trying to say like we're the Pakistani HBO. I think that's the messages that they were trying to do. We're going to do higher budgets, higher production values, and not the same like Ghisiprathik Hania. Yes. You know, that's what their pitch was, I think. You know, it's interesting.

[00:05:43] But they've kind of fallen into the trap. Yeah, like it's interesting to me because like we've gone through that in India as well, right? Like there's always every few years is somebody that comes and is like, listen, we're different. Like we believe in the content. Like content is supreme. We want like something progressive. We want something that speaks to the India of today. And then like six months down, they're all doing Sars Pohu serials because that's where like the people want to watch.

[00:06:11] And you know, that's the audience. And you're like, do I want to make money or do I want to have principles? And people are always like, well, I'd rather have money. Yeah. Yeah. I can't buy bread with principles. But the second thing I also want to talk about is this, Averita, you might not know this, but there's been a lot of buzz in the news lately about ARY plus, which is this new app that ARY has

[00:06:38] launched. And the idea would be so the CEO was going around basically saying, you know, oh, we went to Netflix and Netflix said, we won't be able to give you the same platform that Indian content has. And he said that, oh, if we're not going to treat it fairly, why would we then want to be part of the Netflix environment? But the flip side, there's another story to this is also that it's not just about the content,

[00:07:04] which I 100% agree with. I think definitely there's a kind of an imbalance on how the two countries are treated by Netflix Asia. But they did say that there's filming requirements. It needs to be in 4K audio and sync needs to be in certain way. And Pakistani production environment cannot cater to that. They don't, they're not at that level yet. So there is a infrastructural issue, but there's

[00:07:33] also been like requirements from Netflix that they couldn't do. So there's two parts of the story, right? But ARY plus has been launched. Sophia, have you downloaded it? Have you started? I haven't had the need because we still have everything available here on YouTube, but I do want to download it to see how it works. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm not really pro this idea. Yeah. And I have my reasons. So the other thing that you also said is that if other

[00:08:03] drama producers want to get on there, we'll just drop the naming. We won't call it ARY plus. We will just call it like something else. It doesn't need to be ARY branded. We just want to create a platform for everybody. So it's kind of an interesting story that they're telling at least. The thing I, the issue I take with this is if you're trying to make Pakistani dramas available for a wider audience, this is not the way because it's insular. It's an insular platform that's

[00:08:30] basically for Pakistani content and Pakistani content alone. So no one's going to be like, when you're scrolling through Netflix and you find a Bollywood movie or a Hollywood movie, you just choose what you want to watch or a K drama. But that's not the experience you're getting here. And it's very rare that you download a platform just for one type of content. Um, the other thing that I was also thinking about is that like, I know that like at least my mom and my aunties and stuff like that, they're just used to watching this on YouTube. Like they

[00:08:58] don't even know how YouTube actually works. They don't use the search function. They just scroll until how are they going to navigate an app? Like there's no way that they can like the learning curve of your core audience is going to be very, very steep here. Exactly. I agree. I don't understand why like YouTube, like I understand that the money is in Netflix and not on YouTube, right? Because it's very much like news driven and Google keeps switching it up every

[00:09:24] few months, it seems to me, especially of late. But, um, in terms of reach, there's nothing like it. Uh, so if they try to take, especially ARY has like this really great, um, library of content that they've already produced that people around the world are obsessed with, right? Like, um, did you ever watch it? Like, Asim, I don't know if you ever watched like Hamsa Farah and then the giggles are

[00:09:54] him. No, I never did. I never did. Um, we'll come to that in a minute. We'll come to that in a minute. Don't, don't think I've forgotten that, but we'll come to that in a minute. But, um, I know people that to this day on this side of the border are whose entire personality is those two shows, right? Um, I remember when Hamsa Farah came out and we still had, we used to have this, this forum, like, do you remember the message boards that we used to have back in the day? Yep. And there used

[00:10:23] to be one called India Forum. Yes, I used to be on there too. We were all on it, right? And it was like, it was all like Indian serials, right? Every, and those were the golden years of the, the Hindi serial where you had these iconic pairings that everybody was writing fanfic over and stuff.

[00:10:43] And then Hamsa Farah came in out of nowhere and it just exploded all over, um, you know, India forums. And it was very interesting to me because I wasn't living in the country at that time, but I had grown up and I say, I tell the story, uh, quite often Sophia, but like when I was growing up in Delhi in the eighties, we used to get Pakistani, the Pakistani, um, PTV, that's what we used to get.

[00:11:13] And so we used to watch PTV dramas because it used to show up on our TV screens. Like we'd just pick up the signal. So I grew up watching things like Dhoop Kinare and, uh, Bakra Kish Tompe and like, you know, just like random things that when I tell, when I talk about it to like my Pakistani friends, they're all just like, what do you mean? I'm just like, it used to play and it was funny. So we used to like watch it,

[00:11:40] you know? Um, so I, and after the eighties, because then in the nineties, we got cable TV and we all just sort of like switched to star. And so I never even thought about Pakistani content until Hamza for came back. And then like, there's a lot of people that give Favad a lot of grief about the

[00:12:03] way that he is and you know, what they assume are his opinions about Pakistani drama. But I also think that, you know, he needs to get his flowers because the sort of resurgence in fandom towards Pakistani dramas and the appreciation that a lot of people have for its writing, um, comes from like the fact

[00:12:27] that Favad was in Kamsafer and then he was in Zindagi Gulzar hai. And in spite of playing like deeply unlikable characters, you know, it was the fact that he was a star and he just like sort of carried that on. So it's just very interesting to me to see where the money is moving in Pakistani content more than anything else. I, I honestly, I mean, I don't even understand like a lot of the crowd pullers

[00:12:55] in Pakistani content right now are like Danish Demur and some of these more, um, toxic dramas. I'm going to, I don't want to get like heat for that, but it is what it is. And I don't know, it's like star, it's like the star plus of, um, Pakistani content. Yeah. So I'm kind of like, I don't watch a lot of them, like just generally, like unless there's like a really critical buzz about something then like, I did watch that last, uh, Hania Amir one, the, the, not even the last one,

[00:13:25] the one before that, uh, with Fahad Mustafa. Fahad Mustafa. Yes. Yeah. I love that one. And then I wanted to watch the follow-up with the Tesla in it. And that just was ridiculous. I've dropped off within two episodes. Um, uh, see, I don't even know the names of them. And then, um, yeah, I watched it. That was popular though. It was really popular. Yeah, it was. Yeah. But I just couldn't take, I just couldn't take the Tesla of it all. Like what is the Tesla? What's the Tesla show?

[00:13:53] They clearly, they clearly rented the Tesla Jeep or whatever, the big Tesla, like the, you know, yeah, exactly. And they clearly had it for like three days. So they shot like all of their sequences, because he's supposed to be the rich, toxic guy with that cyber truck in three days. And they just jammed it in the first few episodes. And it was, and then they, when they ran out of it, I think, no, no, no, that was the other car. They burned the car. Yeah. They burned the car. Right. And, uh,

[00:14:21] so it was just a hilarious one where they're like, egg cyber truck. I like take as much footage as you can. It was just hilarious. So, so it didn't even have anything to do with the story. It was just like a marker to show like, just to show him how rich he was, you know, so that, uh, like he was rich with the cyber truck. And then you would also go clubbing and if the clubs, the club scenes were the most ridiculous one in Pakistan, because you have like seven people in a club and they're like,

[00:14:51] I like, I want, like, this is the thing that I've been meaning to talk more about Pakistan. You're going to get in trouble for this. Just letting you know. This is Khandan. Khandan is always in trouble. It's good to get heat from my own people for once. Like, I just get heat from Indian people. Like, I'm like, I'm going to kill myself. It's fine. Um, uh, what I was going to say, like, I, uh, I want to promote a lot more and talk about these things, but a lot of them are just not good enough. Like I feel, you know, then they're not. So I gave it a try. So I was watching, uh,

[00:15:21] listen, listen, Sophia tried, Sophia tried, right? Like Sophia tried really hard to save you from herself. It's okay. I, I, I guess I do not care. I really don't. It doesn't matter who's talking. I don't care. Um, no, but what I was going to say is I did watch Aap Ki Izzat, which I'm kind of following because the, like, I think later on, and I mentioned this to you, Amrita too, that, uh, there's a few very powerful scenes coming later on.

[00:15:49] Um, but I've been speaking about this just generally like about cultural buckets lately on the show that it is hard to connect sometimes when you're not part of that milieu. And I was having that, uh, discussion about watching a Telugu movie, uh, me and Sujoy went to watch a Korean movie, Hope, which was pretty good, but then it just went completely off the rails. But there's certain things that you can connect with and certain things you can't connect with. And me being a burger,

[00:16:17] like having been raised outside of Pakistan, there's a lot of storytelling, the way the story is told and the way kind of the family dynamics are. I just can't stand it. Like after a while, I'm like, I'm done with this nonsense, you know, I'm just going to get angry and I'm going to start screaming at my purpose and halas for no reason. You know, I don't want this, you know, I don't want this kind of negativity. Um, so that's why I kind of switch off, but, uh, um, yeah, uh, but quickly,

[00:16:43] Sophia, what are you watching and what is good at the moment for people that, you know, is there anything good? Like this could be in the last four or five years too, you know, it doesn't need to be recent. Aapki, is it right now amazing? Um, I'm really loving Darae Nejath right now, which is amazing. It is very religiously driven, but it's kind of highlighting the hypocrisy between how women and men are treated within that scope of religion. Um, culturally, not religiously and how we take religion to be

[00:17:13] something that it's not supposed to be. Um, what else am I liking? Those two, those two are the ones I'm still reading right now. Okay. They're all over my Twitter feed too. Like everyone's like talking about those two shows. Yes. So by the way, let's, let's address this now. Amrita, you got to watch two episodes of Mitti Devawe. Like we were watching, I was watching a documentary about back in the day

[00:17:38] about, um, communism and how people used to sneak in VHSs of Chuck Norris and Stallone and then watch them together. And amazingly, 2026 India, we had a similar situation here, Amrita. We had to do a lot to get you to watch these two episodes. It was ridiculous. Like I, like he sent me a link to like

[00:18:01] green rooms or, uh, green rooms, green TV, green TV. Um, and which is apparently on YouTube. And I was just like, Oh yeah, like YouTube, that should work. No, it doesn't work. Uh, it was ridiculous. It was absolutely ridiculous that, and it was even more ridiculous. The fact that I had to do all of it for this show, like, I'm just like, really like, this is what we're gonna do. But okay. Okay. We appreciate the extra step. Yes.

[00:18:31] We'll come to that. Amrita still hasn't seen Pablo yet. Like that's where she is at, you know, like she's, she doesn't know Anya, Anya, like probably Instagram. Insta celebrity or singing celebrity now. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen, actually, I know because like, uh, a lot of people have been like reposting, uh, that, you know, that video. So I'm sure I haven't seen her original posting, but I have seen it on Instagram.

[00:18:56] Like people just like sort of clipping it and stuff. So I have seen, I have seen a little bit. Just how art should have been consumed. You know, we clips my other people. Yes. Yes. So let's talk a bit about, uh, Mithi De Bawai. Um, it's, uh, I mean, this was, this is a huge show, right? First of all, like the way this has been promoted, marketed, it's like Game of Thrones

[00:19:22] is coming to Pakistan. Like that's how, how big this thing is. Like, um, like this was, this is supposed to be must watch TV to the point where I was like, wait, this is must watch. I must watch this, you know? Um, obviously I'm a huge, huge Mahira Khan fan. Like I've said this many, many times, uh, to people's annoyance, but I don't care again. Uh, I think she's just wonderful.

[00:19:45] Uh, I do not know the actor, the, the male lead, uh, uh, Wahaj Ali or Wahaj? Wahaj Ali. Right. Um, he, he is the, the first time I'm seeing it. So I was kind of coming into it, like, uh, basically from Mahira. Um, so Amrita, no, yeah, Amrita, let's start with you. Um, what do you, what do, what are your thoughts on Mithi Tababe? I think first of all, I want an acknowledgement that I am the best friend

[00:20:13] that you and Sujoy have ever had because after English Babu Desi Mame and Sonali Dendre, I watched this and Mahira Khan. Okay. And I want like a full acknowledgement that you have never had a friend quite as nice as me. I will write a certification generated by Jack GPT for you. Yes. Best friend award. Yes. You need the credit for English Babu Desi Mame. Yes. Yes, I do. She's suffered.

[00:20:42] Lately she has suffered. I have. Um, okay. Look, I didn't completely hate it. Like that's okay. Um, I have seen Wahaj before. Uh, he was in, uh, uh, what was her name? Um, he was in like this show where he was playing like one of those feudal people that like marries a girl that doesn't want to marry him. Oh, Terebin. Yes, Terebin. That was like a huge show that everybody was talking about in,

[00:21:11] uh, online. And again, like I haven't, I haven't had the time over the, like, I've barely had time to watch the things that I need to watch for this podcast over the past couple of years. Uh, like, uh, already. So I haven't had a chance to like sort of like sit there and watch every single episode of Terebin, but I have seen quite a bit of it to like understand the arc and everything. And I did see him and I get why the girls are crazy for Wahaj, right? Like he's a good looking guy.

[00:21:37] Like, I get it. Um, that being said, and Mahira, of course, is like beautiful. Um, I give Asim a lot of grief, uh, for and deservedly so, but I also think that Mahira is beautiful and she has a very lovely screen presence. That being said, of the two episodes that I have seen, I get what they're sort of going

[00:22:03] for. But what it kind of comes through is a sort of knockoff Mola Jat, you know, like a, like a Mola Jat from Timu kind of a situation where I'm just like, Timu Jat. Exactly. It was there. It was right there. And I missed it. But, uh, it was like, I,

[00:22:30] I, I'm always wary of projects that seem like manatee projects for actors because I'm always looking at things that actors are trying to sort of like bring that aura to themselves, you know, like, and there's been a lot of that that's happened in India, for example, over the past five years, right? Like people discovered South Indian filmmaking and they learned all the wrong lessons

[00:22:57] from it. And over here, it's sort of, I forgot that Asim told me that I could watch the first episode on 2XP. So I did try, I did try. So I'm taking half of that certificate off. No, no, no, no, no, no. That certificate comes all the way through. I'm using Glock now. I'm not going to use Chanchi video.

[00:23:23] Um, and it, it like, yeah, it was like, well, how does this too pretty to pull off what he was trying to pull off in that first episode? Um, and it didn't help that narratively, the fact that he gets gunned down at the end of that first episode. I'm just like, well, that's just a little, I'm telling, I'm sorry, I'm saying spoilers. I don't know if I should, should I not give spoilers?

[00:23:48] Let's go for it. It doesn't matter. Okay. Um, but narratively speaking, like if you are building up a character with all the slow-mo in the world and you're saying like, ooh, he's like the big bad guy. And he's like, you know, saying like, fill arms to everybody as he's getting out of prison. And then like, doesn't shoot straight and like gets gunned down.

[00:24:13] And I'm just like, all right, like this isn't really selling that like aura to me. Right. And, um, and then this Mahira who is doing like, you know, the, the Lady Macbeth sort of situation, which was interesting, but then it was also like, I don't know if I believe that

[00:24:38] performance. And maybe, and maybe this is because I've only seen two episodes. Maybe when I see more episodes or if I'm allowed to watch more episodes, um, maybe I'll feel differently, you know, uh, further down, but given the two episodes that I had, I don't really buy either of these performances. And that's my biggest issue. Sophia, go ahead. What did you think of the first two episodes?

[00:25:03] Sophia, listen guys, I came prepared. Okay. I was very serious. Um, the first thing I do want to say is it's funny when you guys, when you asked me to be on this, I was talking to my cousin and I was like, I don't usually review the first couple of episodes because I like to let it build up. Um, cause like you said, um, I'm with that. I don't usually know how I feel about it just yet. But, um, some things I, number one, I think it was interesting that they started, it was very grand

[00:25:31] the way they started. And then within like 12 minutes, you have your hero on the floor, um, which was an interesting choice. And like you said, I don't know how I feel about that yet. Cause now we're basically going backwards. Um, and so that backwards story better be really interesting because now you, you already have your audience knowing that he's gone, you know? So that's one thing. Um, another thing that, well, let me think. I like that it has three

[00:26:01] timelines going side by side, basically. Um, they're not really trying to spoon feed the audience. So they're expecting that you're intelligent enough to follow that, which some people aren't. I think it's a, I honestly feel it's a challenging setup just so like coming from like what is usually out there in Pakistani dramas. I already feel like people are going to get confused here. Like, you know, and I, I just think that just speaks to the audience. I mean, I just, I think that's an interesting choice again, because you're going to have to

[00:26:30] make sure you're watching. You can't watch it while doing the dishes or vacuuming the house and take your eyes off the screen. It has to be a focused launch, which I don't know. Basically you can't, yeah, you can't be so joy when you're watching this show. It's not background noise for sure. Um, I think, I think the camera work is interesting. They've done a good job of it. Um, it kind of has those sepia tones in it that I don't always love,

[00:26:57] but I'm going to reserve my judgment. Um, I think Maya looks beautiful. I think Wahaj, I, I love Wahaj. I did not love Thede Bin, but I love Wahaj Ali. Um, I think he's an amazing actor. And I think this show, especially these first two episodes was basically like you said, a show reel for him. It was showcasing his talent and he did a great job. I did believe it. I really

[00:27:20] liked how we see him as Iqbal and how he is seen as this amazing guy, this really good guy. And I'm interested to see how he becomes Vali, who is this rogue, that guy basically. Um, and how he ended up in jail and why Maire Khan kills him, which is the connection I made. Yeah. I can't stand him. Yeah. So, I mean, I really want to see how these stories come together. I also really

[00:27:48] want to give a shout out to, um, number one, Aina Khan, who looks beautiful as the younger Maire Khan. Like she just looked amazing in that pink outfit. Um, and then I also want to give a shout out to Sohail Ahmed, who was so good in that, that scene where Bali goes to his house and he's giving him the money. And he was just so menacing in that moment. And I'm not used to seeing him like that. So it was a good change. What kind of roles does he usually play? So, So, comedy.

[00:28:18] He's definitely a pure comedic actor. And I thought he was so incredible in this role. It was nice to see. Oh, okay. Is he one of those guys that like on the Pakistani show where they like saying jokes in Punjabi and then the host laughs out? No, but he was in a Diljeet Dosanj movie, um, a few years ago. I can't remember the name at the top of my head, but like, he's so well known for comedy that Diljeet Dosanj invited him to be in a movie. So that was kind of a big deal. Okay. Okay. Wow. Yeah. No, I, I, I, he seemed familiar,

[00:28:47] but I wasn't sure where I'd seen him. So, okay. Um, yeah, no, I, uh, I'm, I'm not like, the thing is the first two episodes are definitely place setting, right? Like they want to set up this intrigue about why Mahira killed him. How did he go to jail? And they are trying to set up these different timelines and they are visually giving us markers, right? Like, you know, like he's in the, obviously the younger, the youngest timeline, they're just different actors cast quite well.

[00:29:14] I feel especially for the female actors. I think that, uh, it's hard to match Mahira's luminosity. And I think they managed to find an actress to do this. Um, I, then the second, uh, the, the middle part, he has a, a chabacha side part, like, you know, he's, uh, he has like, you know, but I, but I'm, I still hate my wife. So both of those are being balanced here. And then in the last one,

[00:29:40] he does come back from, you know, Vidal Sassoon do jail where he has a more of a puffy look, you know, like a mech alike, you know? So he has those different kinds of looks here, uh, which I think helps the audience. I think also that definitely trying to have this epic look in terms of filmmaking. I found that drone shot really impressive. Like, uh, there's a shot that goes into the jail through the things. And that's just like, you know, nifty filmmaking for a film nerd like me.

[00:30:07] I'm like, Hey, drones, we have drones and you know, they're not there just to annoy people, you know, they're actually here for something good. Um, so that I liked, but then I think they do go overboard with that epicness where everything in slow motion. And that's why I basically told Amrita, I honestly feel this. We've watched 70 minutes of the show already. And the story itself is basically 20 minutes of story, right? The rest is really slow motions. We do a lot of shots of

[00:30:35] Mahira's feet, which I don't know if they got Quentin Tarantino to suddenly get the shots in, but there's like a lot of focus there too. Um, but I think I am just also just giving like for Mahira, I I'm there to just give her a bit of space to kind of explore whatever she wants to explore in this role. The problem I do think with these two episodes is that there's not enough Mahira.

[00:31:01] So a lot of the focus is on Wahaj's story. And I think that story, I have a feeling I could predict the beats here already. You know, um, I probably like when, when they flash back and he's like, you know, uh, roadside Romeo, and he's like going back and forth to, you know, have a glimpse of her. And then he's coming back being really pissed off at his wife. That is a template. I feel I've seen

[00:31:26] so many Pakistani men live in real life. Like they didn't get their college cup, yeah. And now they're really mad at their wife's rotis, you know? So I think that, so that if the, and I think the, the, the meat of the story is probably in the middle at the moment. Um, and I, if that is focused on Wahaj and that storyline is something that, uh, I, uh, that part

[00:31:52] isn't really, you know, really gripping me. I am interested in how this poor kid that didn't have kajal and he had to kind of, you know, scrape off the bottom of the pot to get some kajal to go get a tanga and then meet his girlfriend becomes this pretty well-off shalwar kameez seller. Like, I don't like there's a dichotomy there between what they're selling in the house they have.

[00:32:20] And I feel there's something more because that, uh, uh, so he does, he does, does hint about that a little bit. Like, or something like that. Um, so there is some intrigue which will then probably escalate in his khalniac years. Um, but I mean, I, I, I feel there's something there, but yeah, I also understand Amrita's criticism of it is something, but there's not maybe enough to hook

[00:32:49] you in there. Um, I will say though, the casting is really good. Um, like I liked how they had John Rambo and Saiba as the parents. Um, it, it was humorous. Amrita, do you know the lore of John Rambo? Do you know John Rambo? Tell me about John Rambo. Oh my God. So where do you want to tell about John? No, you go ahead, go ahead. Oh my God. So John, like I, it took me a while to even recognize John Rambo because I had not

[00:33:15] seen him in ages, but funny enough yesterday on my weird algorithm of TikTok, I had the Punjabi version of, You know that song? Yep. Apparently that was, and I sent this to Sujoy and Sujoy said, this was originally a Bengali song.

[00:33:39] And then they made it in Bollywood. And at that time, Pakistani cinema was really in a bad spot. Right. So they were just copying everything from India, just songs, wholesale and things like that. So there was a version with John Rambo doing this song in the gullia of where, wherever the hell he was. There's like trucks on the background and stuff like that. So I'd literally seen him yesterday. And then I saw him and that's the only way I would have recognized him. But John Rambo, the way I remember, and Sophia, you're very much, uh, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

[00:34:07] You were speaking about Bakra Kistopay, right? So, um, those were all Umar Sharif shows, right? But Umar Sharif would bring on these new comic actors as like side characters to have one monologue that they could do, one joke that they could do to the audience. And for the rest of the show, Umar Sharif would embarrass them and slap them really, really hard on stage. So that was their entire role. Um, and John Rambo was one of these guys. He was one of these guys that came on Umar

[00:34:36] Sharif shows, got slapped a few times, but he had this thing where he was wearing a red bandana, and people started saying that he looked like John Rambo. To the point, I still don't know his name. Um, 40, 30 years onwards, I still call him John Rambo because that's the thing. But he was the only one

[00:34:59] that was able to elevate those slaps to an actual career in Pakistan as even like a comedic, romantic hero, if I'm not mistaken. Like I've, like I've seen him do those roles. So I think he was the only one that was successful, but then I completely don't know what happened to him. And this is the next time I'm seeing him. So was- Now see how I know him is from Guest House, which was a really popular drama at that time. And it was,

[00:35:26] again, along the same lines, it was comedy and he would wear the bandana and do all that. It was a good time. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I saw him in Guest House and he never got slapped by a machine, but maybe my brain, I'm just confusing thinking. I don't know. I don't know. Again, people, please correct me. We need a fact checker as somebody said earlier this morning. Yeah. But see, that's, that's star power. Like you saw him like once in something and you don't remember anything else about it, but you remember him. Yeah.

[00:35:53] And you remember his name is John Rambo because that's how everyone calls him. Yeah. So there you go. It was good. He was good to see when he was, yeah, he was playing the younger Vaj's father, right? In this one. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So any other shout outs you wanted to say on the casting, Sophia? I thought that was good. I thought, well, who else was in here? Let me think. I mean, there were a lot of people here. There was Samia Montaz who's playing, I don't really understand what her role is, like the caretaker. Yeah. Or something of Marathon.

[00:36:21] So I thought the way that they did the film shooting. So in the episode, the young Vaj is really keen on going to see a film being shot in a Haveli nearby. And so he goes there and at the

[00:36:45] film shooting, there's a whole bunch of transgender people who are dancing. That's not the film shooting. I think, I think they're actually at like a rich people's party where they're playing to, you know, like transgender dancing. And they're like, because he's saying that we are music players. Right. So I think they're the, they're accompanying the movie thing. I don't think that was that. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I understand.

[00:37:13] He wanted to go to the shooting. He wanted to go, but they ended up going. Yeah. They were just like playing. Yeah. Okay. So I thought that it was some sort of high class brothel, to be very honest. And I thought that Mahira, yeah, I thought Mahira and the other girls, like that's why they're in that house. And that's why that lady is actually there, the madam. You thought it was a Hiramandi situation? Yeah. Because I was like, what is happening here? Because otherwise,

[00:37:42] she's just sort of like floating around with all these girls. And I'm like, what are they all doing here? To be fair, I thought the same thing for the first couple of minutes. Yeah. No, no, no. This is just a regular rich people things in Punjab. I mean, that's what's happening here. Thursday for rich people, you know? Which would have been then really interesting for the Mahira character, because you, when you see her for the first time, not for the first time, but when you see her in the second episode,

[00:38:10] and they're sort of like setting up the middle timeline, she's this saintly, pious, devout, you know, Muslim woman. That would have been a good question. Yeah. Who's been like personally blessed by the Shah, etc. So, you know, it would have been like really interesting that, you know, the reason why she's so startled when she sees Wahaj, and the reason why, you know, like she doesn't want anything to do with him might be because she has

[00:38:36] a past and she sort of changed everything. And now she is, you know, and there's a bit of a tension between her and her husband as well. So, and we don't really get into that in the second episode. So that is something that is probably going to become more clear in later episodes. And that would have really made it more textured and interesting. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Again, it's only the first two episodes. I feel like there'll be more of a buildup. Yeah.

[00:39:04] Let's see. I mean, we don't really know if this is a long series or a short series, do we? Yeah. I'm also really surprised that it's only 30 minutes. Like each episode is only 30 minutes, which is wild. And 15 of those are like slow motion. 15 is slow motions. 15 is slow motions. Five minutes is shots of Myra's feet. Like it's like, there's not much story going on here.

[00:39:29] I would like to say, I hope that slows down moving forward. But this director is the one who directed Khudar Mohabbat. He also directed Khai and they had a whole lot of slow motion. So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a, it's a choice they've made here to kind of look, make, let's make it very grand because we've spent a lot of money on these 3D animations of Myra Khan, where she looks like, you know, a Pieta, you know, like she's looking like Mary here. So, you know, like we have to slow

[00:39:58] this down, this budget down. Let's do slow motion. I did enjoy the fact that Ben Iqbal, who wakes up and you know, he's been, he's been like mad at his wife for no good reason. And he went out to stalk Mahira and found out that she's now some sort

[00:40:23] of saint. And he's clearly got like something happening in his head. And he wakes up in the morning and the entire household is on tenterhooks because they're like, oh no, like, is he going to be in a bad mood? Like what's going to happen? There's music in the house. And we know that we don't play music around him. And he just sort of like wanders in, goes to the kitchen. And the very first thing he does is like pour himself this giant glass of milk. It was like, that is the most Punjabi thing.

[00:40:54] Of course the Punjabi man is going to wake up in the morning and be like, where is my freshman? I was like, that's really great detailing right there. I didn't even notice that. Yeah. No, I, the two intrigues that I'm very interested in and exploring, it is this world of peers and shahs and all this that like, again, cultural buckets, these are things that I have no

[00:41:22] connection whatsoever, Tavize and Pirnis and all that. This is all as new as you know, anything Korean or something like that. It's like, I've heard of it, but it's never been part of my world at all. So I'm quite interested to see how they're going to kind of delve into this, if they're really going to go truly magical or like, you know, obsessional in a way, like, you know. Um, and the other thing that I'm also interested in is this gangster wrestling Afghanistan smuggling

[00:41:50] operation that's going on here in the background, because obviously we are going towards the Kalaika years, right? So something has to break here. And I, Sophia, if you've, you've seen more from this writer, right? Um, what's the writer's name? Iftikha? Um, Wujahut Hussain. Right. Is he able to pull this off? Like from his previous one? Yes. So he's also, he's also directed Farrar, which was amazing. Um, Khai was amazing. He's also done some

[00:42:18] comedies, um, which was Ish Jalevi, which was great. So he has done some really good work. It's, you know, you just never really know though. He's kind of one of those where the, what's the word I'm looking for? The view that you're going to see, you just don't know what you're going to get. I think you can pull it off though. Yeah. Yeah. And there's also a lot of people, a lot of characters or actors who haven't been introduced yet, who are part of this cast.

[00:42:45] So for sure, number one, it's a really big cast. Um, so I know they're going for grand. And this show was two years in the making. I mean, they announced it, oh, I want to say over two years ago and it was kind of a, is it happening? Isn't it happening? And until they actually said it was coming soon, we didn't really know. Uh, what about this, uh, writer, Faiza Iftikhar? Have you seen more

[00:43:09] of her? Yes. And you probably have too. She's amazing. Um, she's done On Zara. If you've seen that, she's done Diligi, Akbari Aswari, um, Ranjha Ranjha Karthi. She's a very good writer and she's very good with this kind of atmosphere, like the Punjabi atmosphere specifically. Right. I'm assuming she's Punjabi, um, but she's very good with those kinds of characters. Because I think it really hinges on the, I think in terms of direction, we've seen what the approach is,

[00:43:39] which I'll be honest, I'm not that impressed with like the, the, the pacing of it, but I am impressed with the production design. I'm impressed with the, the camera setup. Um, so that's, I feel is already elevated, but I think the core needs to be in the writing, right? There's three story timelines that are going at the same time. And are you able to pull off and make all of those arcs satisfying? That's where I think we, if we want to continue watching this show, that's where it's going to lie.

[00:44:09] And so I'm happy you said that she's quite talented. She is good. I almost wonder though, if they're going to continue with this three timeline situation moving forward, it might have been good for the introduction, but I feel like they need to find a balance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. What do you think Amrita? Do you think they'll continue like, or is this like a, this is it? I mean, it depends on like how well each of those are, if they're still shooting, I don't know if they've completed shooting and then

[00:44:39] they're just sort of, uh, releasing it because like, you know, like dramas will function in a very different world from filmmaking where like nothing gets released until everything has been shot and like released. I think they may be finished, especially with Mara Khan now expecting, I'm assuming it's over. Okay. In that case, I think, um, um, narratively speaking, it would be good for them to sort of stop with the, the earliest,

[00:45:06] like, you know, the, the bachabachi, like played by like the different actors. It would be really great if they could stop that, say it like episode 10 or something, you know, like assuming a 30 episode arc, which is sort of like, yeah. So I would like zero information about like how many episodes are we talking about? Like how long are we talking about? It does feel like this was actually one of the things

[00:45:30] that I personally get really, um, pissed off with is when you tell me that this is like a Mahira Khan serial and then there's like somebody entirely different that's playing her character. And I'm just like, oh no, this is fraud because this has happened before too. She was doing that, uh, that very feminist, uh, yeah, exactly where, you know, it was just hyped up to be like this Mahira Khan

[00:45:59] vehicle. And I was just so excited to watch it and it was good. Like, I'm not saying that it wasn't good. There are like some scenes in it that I still remember like really strongly, but also it was just like, where's Mahira? Because I don't see, you know, she was there for like five minutes and then it's like, where is she? So, um, that kind of thing just like pisses me off. Like if you are going to say that this is going to be about Mahira and Wahaj, then I want to see Mahira and Wahaj. And I know

[00:46:28] just how parasocial and insane a lot of the drama fandoms can get. Um, so I know that when the project was announced, um, and they were like, oh, it's Mahira and Wahaj coming together for the first time, I believe. Um, there's definitely a very vocal fandom from Terebin I know who are obsessed with

[00:46:55] Wahaj. Um, and Mahira has her own fans. So I'm, I'm pretty sure that people were looking for a very specific kind of tension and, uh, interaction between these two actors. And if they want to make the series a success, I really, really hope they've shot that sequence because otherwise there's going to be a public lynching. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, looking at these timelines right now, I'm almost like, how

[00:47:22] many scenes are they going to share together where they're actually face to face? Yeah. Um, I had not contemplated the idea that Mahira was not going to be here and now I'm so pissed off internally. No, she'll be there. She'll be there for sure. I'm like, I'm in the world mode here. See? And she's not even a drama fan. Exactly. I just like her for the person she is. I don't care about the performance.

[00:47:49] I think, I think this will be a really good role for her because I think it's not, it's not a black and white role. It's going to have a lot of shades of gray and maybe even go on the negative side. So I think it's something that she assigned knowing it would give something to her. Although I did laugh when you have that left scene of her walking through the courtyard to her, to her room and she

[00:48:13] has her, her gangsters behind her. Like all of them in Parma and like sort of like going through the thing and I was just like, oh no, are they going to cuss me out? Like what's going to happen? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It felt again, very Quentin Tarantino with the kill 18. It's like in slow motion, you know, you just need that in the background. But the other thing I was when they did actually flashback, because I didn't know that it was going to be three flashbacks, right? Yeah.

[00:48:40] It reminded me of that Ajay Devgan movie that you watched Amrita with Tabbo, Auro Me Kahan Dam Tha. Remember that one? Oh yeah. They cast other actors in it. I was like, shit, this is not that situation where, you know, first of all, I'm watching it for Mahira. It's all seems to be all about Wahaj instead. And now we get like younger kids that are not them. Like what's, what kind of scam are these people running? Yeah. Hopefully it won't be that kind of a situation. Yeah. Hopefully. I have my fingers

[00:49:08] crossed because, you know, like the fans deserve something better. And I know we say that, oh, you shouldn't do like fan service all the time, but come on, when the entire USP of your drama is that this is the first time that Mahira and Wahaj are going to be acting together, there are certain expectations and you have to at least deliver on some of them. Yeah. I think they'll, I think they'll do justice. I have faith in the team. Yeah. I hope so. Go ahead. No, the other thing about Wahaj is that I don't know if it was necessary for him to sing. Like, I don't, I don't know. Oh yeah, that was bad.

[00:49:38] Yeah. You didn't have to do that. It just went on for an extended period of time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went on too speed on that because it was going on for too long and I did not like it and I did not appreciate it. I will say, I will say because I was coming on here, usually I would watch on my phone. I put it on the big TV. I was sitting with my notepad. I was watching. So I really enjoyed the experience. I was, I didn't know why he was singing, but you know, let's roll with it.

[00:50:06] It felt like an actor's flourish. I'm like, I got it. Why? Let's go with it. You know, like, yeah. Sometimes you just have to roll with it. It's okay. Yeah. He's not a singer for sure, but. No, definitely. It's like, it's like that line in bad boys, you know, it's like everybody wants to be Fawad, but nobody is Fawad, you know, like that's the problem we're having. I think

[00:50:32] fandom wise. I do feel like he is probably our new age Fawad possibly. I don't know. That. Can I just say, like we were talking about star power earlier, right? Like my wife is French. She's not Pakistani. She's not Indian. She walks in and out of the room and she'll see something.

[00:50:54] And when Fawad is on street, Fawad is on screen, she stops and she looks right here. She said, I'm quoting her verbatim. I might edit this later. She said, you, you Pakistanis really have like

[00:51:14] really pronounced noses, don't you? So yeah, he's not a new. He's not a new. We're not there yet. We're not there. Okay. Okay. No, I think, I think Fawad and I know like all the Pakistani drama discussions always come back to

[00:51:43] like Fawad. And I know that is something that really pisses off a lot of Pakistani drama watchers because they're just like, well, you know, we do have an existence outside of Fawad Khan. Like we could talk about something else, but he is the best, but he is the best. Like he, like, and he's the, he's the best, not just because he's pretty. He's the best because he's just so talented. He's good. You know, like he's, I will say, I'm going to say this, this is totally off,

[00:52:08] like off bar. But like last year we had Pakistan Idol and it was like, I was living my best life because I could see Fawad every week. And I was like, amazing. Cause we don't see him that often. Yeah. Yeah. We really don't. No, but he was also, what I remember about Pakistani Idol is just how kind he was to the people that were on stage, which is really hard to fake because you see a lot of

[00:52:34] people on these Idol shows who are trying to be like nice and you can tell that they're just trying to be nice. And Fawad was like super genuine. He was super appreciative. He was super encouraging. He gave like good advice. I really appreciated him in that context as well. And honestly, like I haven't seen him in any project where I thought, and I've seen some like really old

[00:52:59] Fawad dramas, right? Like I've seen things from like the early 2000s, like it's just way back. And he's been consistently amazing in everything. There's never been a piece where I thought that, oh, he's just dialing it in or, you know, he did this for the paycheck. I'm sure it helps that he comes from wealth, but you know, he, I know a lot of people who come from wealth, but also dial it in.

[00:53:27] And I've never felt that about Fawad. So, I mean, he's good at what he does. There are some dramas he's done that I really, really disliked, like Ashk, just throwing that out there. Oh yeah. It's terrible. But was he good in it? Yeah, he was good, but the story wasn't good. It's funny also when you were talking about Hamza for earlier, you know, like how, I mean, it's an easy comparison, but there is a line where it's very similar to Shah Rukh's track, right?

[00:53:53] Right. Starting out with kind of like toxic roles, but being such a big star that he's coming out of it. He's a genuinely kind and feminist, like well-read person. Again, like very similar to Shah Rukh. And then having an amazing fake American accent, which is almost better than Shah Rukh, I would say on that front. I love that clip where he's like fully like rebel 21 year old pop singer,

[00:54:23] like we're gonna take down society. So I'm gonna say that's, that's how long I've been his fan. The accent. So he apparently went to school in Saudi and he went to like American schools there. So that's where that accent came from. But that was the Fawad Khan I was a fan of. The one who was constantly cursing. And then when he became this refined guy and I was like, yeah, what happened here? Again, just like Shah Rukh. Just like Shah Rukh. The Fawad of We Love is like the one that was like giving Gali's improvement. And now it's like,

[00:54:52] who is this Papa? Like we don't want, we don't want Papa Shah Rukh. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly the same kind of thing. And I think like, like a lot of the movies, like coming back to Myra, like I've seen a few of her last movies too. And none of those roles really justify her as a, as a, you know, a performer. I think either they match her up with dudes that are, you know, not good enough to be even in the same room with her or they're not,

[00:55:21] basically they're not Fawad. And then they have the Niloufar movie and it just didn't come together, right? Like it just didn't come together as a movie, unfortunately. So every time, there's something missing here in the element. And unless you have Maulajat, but then you have to wait like 75 years until they make another movie together like that. It's just a damn shame. Can I give you a shout out to the makeup people though, for, especially for Mahira in the series,

[00:55:49] because they do a really great job of showing her in the middle timeline and showing her in the present timeline and they don't go overboard with the aging makeup. But I was noticing particularly the mouth in the present day makeup, which is like the number one thing that, you know, old people's mouths change, you know, the shape of your mouth changes as you grow older. And it's super difficult to show that in a natural way when you're showing like somebody's aged.

[00:56:19] Um, and they did a really great job of it with Mahira to the point where I was just like, did Mahira do something to her face? And then I saw the middle portions and I was like, oh no, it's makeup. Like she's, uh, she's got that going for her. It's great. Yeah, it's good. And I'm glad they didn't go overboard because they do tend to go overboard. Sometimes they'll put like gray in and you're like, she's only 40, you know, like. I didn't know she was wearing makeup. I just thought that was like her face, like natural look, you know, mood ho ke a ye.

[00:56:52] One thing though, I did notice she's like six, seven years older than Wahaj. So pretty cool. Like does like an older woman, uh, you know, carrying a younger male, uh, which doesn't happen a lot, right? Only Mahira can pull this up again. I do feel like, I feel like in Pakistan, um, our audiences are a little, well, I don't want to say they're generous, but I want to say that the actresses really do work hard to get to where they are. So once they get there, it's like, we really put them on a pedestal. So

[00:57:22] Mahira, Sabah Gummer, um, these actresses really get their, their deal. So it doesn't matter whether the actor is younger or not. We're going to take them. They're, they're, they're, they're driving these projects too, to a certain degree. Yeah. Um, Sophia, anything in your notepad that we haven't covered? Any note that we had that we want to still talk about? Amrita, anything that you missed? I mean, there's only two episodes. I think we've covered a lot in those 20 minutes of actual content we got.

[00:57:51] I think we covered it. I think they did a great job of setting it up. Um, but now I feel like they need to do an equally good job. I know you guys may have different opinions, but they need to make sure they keep that or increase the pace to fill in those gaps. Now, why, how did they end up this way to make it equally as interesting? Because again, like we talked about first 12 minutes, we already know he's dead. Yeah. So we have to keep it interesting. You don't know he's dead, dead. Like he's shot, right? Like if the rest is in a wheelchair and

[00:58:18] he's like, I've got an Ironman situation going on, you know, who knows, you know, anything. Okay. Maybe, maybe, you never know. You never know. Um, but Sophia, will you be watching the rest of Mithi Devawey? Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Unless they, until they lose me, they have me. Okay. Uh, Amrita, I have a feeling obviously because access is a problem. I think I will definitely continue watching this show and I will let you know in a couple of

[00:58:45] episodes if this can hook you back in. Yes. Uh, what would hook you back in, you think? I would love it if we had actual Mahida and actual Vahaj in like scenes together. Ah, okay. That's what I want to see. Like I don't, you're not asking for much here. I'm like asking for the leads of the show to like be in scenes together. That's like literally all I need. Like, you know, like I, I appreciate,

[00:59:13] yeah. And like, I appreciate the, the, you know, the, you know, it's, it's, it's sort of sad, but like the earliest timeline is probably the most interesting part of the story because it's really about like young love and how it gets, I can see what that would be like, you know, young love that is tested and then destroyed. It's like, you know, like, like, and then she's talking about like how she's getting

[00:59:41] married to somebody that she doesn't even know and like all that kind of stuff. And which is, that's actually interesting too, because I'm wondering, is she actually invested in this relationship the way he is? Yeah. Is she, does she already know that this is something fleeting and she's going to be moving on anyway? Yeah. And she's clearly, uh, you know, like, um, uh, like, you know, one of those like

[01:00:06] feudal princesses, because the way that she treats her, her nanny or whoever that lady is supposed to be, her minder, um, it's very interesting, you know, the, the way that she's giving like head art and sort of like bribing her. Yeah, I was like gay capitalism, you know, like you can bribe a person with like a, like a live chicken, like, you know, like lipstick du Chanel 84, you know, whatever that

[01:00:29] is. I was like, wow. But it's an interesting side of the character that you then see as like this peen-y sort of situation in the middle portion, right? So that it's a very interesting sort of, um, setup that they have in the earliest sections. But because we know that this is supposed

[01:00:54] to be a Wahaj Mahira vehicle, that is the cross that is sort of hanging over that entire arc. Um, because you're just waiting to like get through that because you're sort of like viewing it as information that you need to set up the thing that you really care about, which is of course, a Wahaj Mahira, right? Which is sort of like, I'll give you some small, small spoilers because

[01:01:24] obviously because you don't have access to it. You also didn't see the promos, right? Um, of any of this. I don't know, Sophia, if you saw the promos or you keep it spoiler free or things like that, but no, I don't mind spoilers. Yeah. So there's Wahaj is definitely going to be alive because he has a lot of shirtless scenes coming still. And there's like a whole dole shole situation that you don't know yet, which is, you know, so that's, that's still,

[01:01:50] yeah, exactly. That's still happening. Uh, I also saw the promo for the next episode, uh, which auto played basically, and there is going to be a clash between the younger versions of, uh, uh, Mahira and Wahaj. And I think, I don't know that they can stretch the story out too long, but I think it's going to either be completed in the next or the season episode after that. So it's going to be quite condensed. And so that's what they were kind of promoting. And there are a

[01:02:19] lot of sequences between Mahira and Wahaj clashing in the most recent timeline, the 1999 timeline. So they will be going at it like, like dogs, you know, in a kennel, like just like, it's going to be passionate and, you know, like, uh, we're fighting, but there's love and all of that stuff. So there's some interesting, intriguing things, uh, which I'll keep an eye out. I will keep you posted,

[01:02:45] but you won't believe me. So Sophia, where can people find you online? So Amrita can watch it and then at least believe you. It's so funny when people say this, because I'm like, where can you find me online? I'm on TikTok. I'm, um, well, if you don't have TikTok, well, I'm Sophia Q on TikTok. I'm also on Twitter where I am Sophia AQ. And where else am I active? I'm active sometimes on Instagram, but I don't know where I am. Who am I? Yeah, I was actually looking for your Instagram

[01:03:14] handle and I couldn't find it, but I've no, I've seen you there. So I know you are. I'm Sophia.a.q. Right. So access to everybody. And I think also like this is, I mean, unless I don't know how the censorship works, I don't know if this episode will get blocked on, uh, Indian Spotify or not, because we're talking about a show. I don't know. I don't think so. I think like, it's just, um, like

[01:03:41] it can't originate from Pakistan. I think like the, like the, you know, the, the URL can't be from Pakistan. I think that's why green team is not available. It's green channel, whatever you're calling out. I'm sorry. I should, I should do a better job of remembering what that is. Green screen. That's why I wrote things down. I didn't want to say anybody's name wrong or say anything wrong.

[01:04:06] Amrita, where can people find you online? Um, I am sadly on Twitter at Amrita IQ. Uh, Asim and I text each other every day about how much we hate it there. And yet we're there because, you know, it's still the number one place where we can get to see our friends and catch up on news of the world. Um, the, the other place that you can find me on is the Kandan Patreon at patreon.com slash

[01:04:32] Kandan podcast, which is where I post my catch up videos, which are a source of joy to me, if not to anyone else, where I just talk unreservedly about whatever's happening in the world. And especially in terms of cinema. Um, and also about gossip, like, you know, like I miss like low stakes gossip.

[01:04:55] Like now you gossip and you send people to jail, you know, like I, I don't, I don't want to be part of that nonsense. I like the old, you know, old school, uh, Bollywood gossip of which I know a whole lot. And, um, that's all on Patreon. So come join us for as little as a dollar actually. So, um, come join us there.

[01:05:19] I'm on Twitter. I'm on Instagram, but I apologize to everybody. I actually looked how much, how many follower requests I have because both of my accounts are locked and I just couldn't scroll through them. And no, there's a lot of listeners that want to follow me on Twitter and on, uh, Instagram, but unfortunately that's not possible, but you can follow me on Khandan Twitter and

[01:05:43] Instagram where I'm actually quite, uh, uh, I react and reply quite fast. Um, so if you want to reach me, reach me through the Khandan handles, but the best way is still Patreon. And I'll just say about Amrita's catch-ups. I have direct access to Amrita. I can call her whenever I want and get her hot ticks. I speak with her every week for at least an hour, two hours making this content, but whenever

[01:06:08] a video drops, I still watch her face for the entire. So that's how good those videos are. Um, so definitely follow, uh, Khandan on Patreon for that. Drop us an email and tell me how wrong I am and how bald I am and how old I am by dropping an email and how much you believe in Pirnis and Tawiz and all of that, you know, like how that is exactly what you should be believing in. Drop me

[01:06:32] an email at you podcasting at gmail.com, uh, and, uh, give me your thoughts and I will, you know, ignore them. If they're, if they're negative and insulting, go at it, you know, have fun. Uh, but yeah, thanks. This was an extra episode we did, but we'll be back to our regular programming. Uh, Indian people fear not. We're going to be talking about Indian content, but, uh, thank you for listening.