Ep 224- Ram Jaane

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[00:00:49] Hi, and welcome to a new episode of Ram Jani.

[00:01:06] Welcome to a new episode of Khandaan- Podcast. My name is Asim Burney. I'm joined with my lovely

[00:01:13] co-host Amrita Hateli and Sujoy Shana.

[00:01:23] What would be your Gundar name if you could get to pick it?

[00:01:28] Oh, I don't know.

[00:01:29] Is that not a game you guys played in your youth?

[00:01:33] No.

[00:01:33] Hey, Papu Pakya.

[00:01:39] I am so far removed from like the Mumbai-Tapuri zone growing up. We wouldn't even dare to

[00:01:49] imitate it.

[00:01:54] So we are reviewing Ram Jani this episode.

[00:01:59] Ram Jani, why we are doing it?

[00:02:03] But yeah, I flipped it.

[00:02:08] Yeah, I just have one question for Sujoy, which is

[00:02:23] because I think the love for Shah Rukh was just brewing everywhere. It's been like

[00:02:31] almost a year since Pathan. And like we forget that this was also an era in Shah Rukh's

[00:02:38] career where everything he did eventually became like spoof material for everybody who

[00:02:45] wanted to mimic Shah Rukh. This was the benchmark or this was the sort of template

[00:02:52] they went back to. And it's such a hoot towards this. It's unlike for all the

[00:02:57] bad reasons, all the wrong reasons. We've done Patar Ke Phool with Bhai and I think the

[00:03:05] last armor movie we did was Raja Hindustani. So it only made sense for us to revisit an

[00:03:12] older era of Shah Rukh. And this movie, I hadn't watched it. So I didn't know what I was

[00:03:18] leading us into. And I had only heard the song on like Aik Sibar Kareek or

[00:03:24] Philip's Top 10 back in the day. So yeah, that's why I thought, yeah, let's suffer together.

[00:03:32] I think it's also some sort of anniversary like whatever year, you know, Ramjane and I

[00:03:37] also saw some like people popping up on social media talking again about this movie. Like,

[00:03:45] you know, this was the first four day of Shah Rukh into action and things like that. And I

[00:03:50] was like, Yeah, I don't think people remember what this movie was. So maybe we need to bring

[00:03:55] the dial back to you know, 1995. And you know, talk about Ramjane. For those that don't know Ramjane.

[00:04:04] This is the plot from IMDB. A social worker tries diligently to steer a group of wayward

[00:04:10] street urchins on the right path. But his childhood friend now a fearless gangster

[00:04:15] plans to bring the children into his fold. This is a remake of Angels with Dirty Faces,

[00:04:24] the 1938 movie.

[00:04:26] That I'd forgotten that, you know, and then I was like watching this movie and we got to the end

[00:04:31] where he's like hamming it up for the kids. And that's when it suddenly like occurred to me.

[00:04:35] And I was just like, Oh my God, this is that movie. And yeah, it was like a complete

[00:04:42] surprise for me. Yeah, I've not watched Angel with Dirty Faces. It reminds me of that fictional

[00:04:49] movie, the black and white movie they include in Home Alone. Merry Christmas, you filthy animals.

[00:04:57] It's actually a really good movie. And if you like gangster movies, then you should watch it.

[00:05:02] Like James Cagney is like amazing in that film.

[00:05:06] Yeah, it's it's as it's been voted as one of the best movies ever made. That's how good of a movie

[00:05:13] Angels with Dirty Faces is. The spoof movie I'm talking about is Angels with filthy souls.

[00:05:19] Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming that's a reference to that, right? So Rajiv Mehra

[00:05:28] remade this director with Shah Rukh and he seems to be more of a, I mean, he's not really he did a

[00:05:37] lot of Zaban Samalki. Remember that show? Yeah, and the latent remake of Mind Your Language.

[00:05:43] Yeah, an office office. So he I mean, he definitely has a connection with Pankaj Kapoor,

[00:05:50] who has a very big role here. I don't see any technical. Yeah, yeah. I don't see any anything

[00:06:01] in him that would say that you know he can make like remake some classic movies. And he

[00:06:09] watch it. So I was watching Ram Jane and I just couldn't handle it after an hour in

[00:06:15] and I just paused it and I went to Angels with Dirty Faces. I watched the whole movie and then

[00:06:21] I came back to watch Ram Jane the rest of it because that was literally the only way I could

[00:06:26] cope with it. And the thing is that every choice that they make to adapt it is a bad choice.

[00:06:36] Is a bad choice in this movie. But Amrita, do you remember Ram Jane? Had you seen it

[00:06:41] back in the day or is this kind of like Sujoya first watched? No, I had watched this when it first

[00:06:47] came out. But what I remember the most about this movie is the fact that Juhi in this film

[00:06:54] is in love with Vivek Mushran and back then I was like you cannot cast Juhi Chawla and

[00:07:01] Shah Rukh Khan in a movie and have Juhi falling in love with somebody else like that is just

[00:07:06] not going to happen. Like that's just not right. And Vivek Mushran with that Chihuahua face,

[00:07:14] you cannot convince me. I mean there's like Shah Rukh like hamming it up to like 11 and then there's

[00:07:22] Vivek Mushran who's evidently in a completely different movie and poor Juhi who is so cute

[00:07:30] God she's just luminous and then apparently she's in love with Vivek Mushran and I'm just like

[00:07:37] I don't know. I don't know who you guys. So yeah that's what I remember the most.

[00:07:43] So that's one of the things in the original Vivek Mushran's character wasn't a social worker,

[00:07:48] he was a priest so he was a Catholic priest so there would be no love triangle. So that whole

[00:07:54] aspect doesn't really exist and I also don't like because of that and clearly this movie is very

[00:08:01] beholden to who Shah Rukh was at that time. I think Sujoy what you're mentioning when Salman Khan's

[00:08:08] fans make fun of Shah Rukh when there's Shah Rukh impersonators, this is the Shah Rukh era that

[00:08:14] they got me. This is Bakla Shah Rukh, Haqla Shah Rukh whatever you want to call it and also

[00:08:21] obsessive lover Shah Rukh like it has all of those tropes and weirdly violent in his love.

[00:08:29] Not only obsessive but physically violent just throws around the girl or around like oh my god

[00:08:36] and throws himself all around he does not care a damn about his own body. Oh my god there is

[00:08:42] this behind the scenes video of them shooting I think the title track of this film and it's

[00:08:49] on YouTube and you can watch it and it's literally Shah Rukh like breaking every bone in his body to

[00:08:57] film this song which is not even like a great song like nobody's saying this song you know

[00:09:04] it's insane. Strangely enough the title track is the only thing that I remember from this movie

[00:09:11] like it's the only thing that anyone remembers but it's not because like it's a good song no

[00:09:16] no it's not it's just one of those year-warm things as you like Ram Jani Ram Jani Ram Jani

[00:09:23] you're just like okay fine Ram Jani. This movie starts and like within the first 10 minutes

[00:09:30] they've said Ram Jani like 50 times already what the hell is going on so also they cast like

[00:09:37] this kid to play young Shah Rukh yeah and I was like did Shah Rukh approve this casting

[00:09:43] like a lot of these kids have that like that face where they don't look like kids they actually

[00:09:51] were like like grown-ups that are like just short you know who was that kind of celebrity big brother

[00:09:57] Hasbulla, Hushbulla whatever it's that thing. Oh my god that's funny as that's funny you

[00:10:03] mentioned it because I just saw a video of him meeting Mike Tyson. That's exactly the

[00:10:08] he clearly did not know that he was a grown man and is just like cuddling him. That's what I'm saying

[00:10:15] Rajiv Mehra the director had no idea these were actually kids or grown-ups like when

[00:10:19] he cast these kids like they don't seem like kids to me you know but the kids part is funny

[00:10:26] because the original the movie is really about the soul of the kids and about you know saving

[00:10:33] the next generation and the influence of you know looking up to gangsters and easy money

[00:10:39] but because here they shifted to Shah Rukh obsessive lover and love triangle all of that just gets

[00:10:46] lost and those kids that we have are just annoying as you know I mean they're so annoying they're

[00:10:51] badly cast they're bad actors you have those leading the back those those remember that guy from

[00:10:57] No you're absolutely right because the whole time that I was watching this movie I kept

[00:11:04] thinking that this is such a good example of a movie that just goes off kilter because of the

[00:11:11] lead actor because there are movies that you know in which you have a lead actor but

[00:11:20] it doesn't matter if they're good or they're bad like the supporting cast and the story sort

[00:11:26] of carries the weight of the rest of the storytelling but the thing is you really can't do that with

[00:11:32] Shah Rukh or at least in that even today you couldn't but back then you absolutely could

[00:11:40] not because the man just like ate up the screen like nobody's business you know and so you

[00:11:47] can't help but be like sort of rooted to whatever character Shah Rukh is playing but also

[00:11:55] the movie like you know like this is back in the 90s so I'm pretty sure they didn't have a script

[00:12:00] apart from like a VHS cassette of Angels with dirty faces and they were just like well today

[00:12:07] we're going to do the scene and I'm pretty sure like Shah Rukh being successful in the couple

[00:12:14] of years before this and this one came out in 1995 it has just been like two years since Shah Rukh

[00:12:20] made his debut but in those two years he's already made like Bazi, he's already made Dhar,

[00:12:26] he's already made Unjham. These are all movies that you know just really helped him create this

[00:12:35] persona of a man who does bad things but everybody loves him anyway and I'm sure like Rajiv Mehra

[00:12:43] just found himself going more and more towards that and I often wonder in movies like this or in

[00:12:52] Bazi Ghar etc like what did they tell the other guy like what would they tell the other guy you know

[00:12:58] like actually you are the good guy you like too hero hair but Shah Rukh right and it must have

[00:13:07] gotten to a point where like you know after Sunny Dior after that other guy from Bazi Ghar who stayed

[00:13:14] I can't remember um after Mubi Mushran like there must have been a time when like people heard that

[00:13:20] pitch and they were just like oh I see I'm doing the side character I get it but I wanna

[00:13:29] okay we're mentioning the good movies you know Bazi Ghar and so but this is the era that

[00:13:33] Shah Rukh was in these are the movies that came out around taking out DDLJ we had

[00:13:51] so on our hands and our knees we have to thank Adi Chopra for setting Shah Rukh's mind right

[00:14:00] and getting him wherever zone he was in in that era of doing these kind of movies because he would

[00:14:06] have continued he's having so much fun you know just do this like he was like those movies I can

[00:14:12] actually tell you exactly why he signed all of those movies because if you look at the people who

[00:14:17] are making those movies you know the directors the actors like you know he you know he signed

[00:14:23] on army for Shri Devi like he just wanted to act with Shri Devi you know he wanted to make

[00:14:28] a movie with Ketan Mehta which is why he made like like all of those things you know Zamanah

[00:14:34] Divana like all of those films I can see why like you can just see the fan in him the movie fan

[00:14:42] making those decisions and not really caring about like oh like I need to have a strategy I

[00:14:47] need to become a star like none of that stuff it was just incredibly fearless but also like

[00:14:55] Asan said it's Adi Chopra and I would imagine yes Chopra and you know like they just said that hey

[00:15:02] you can't just act with what were you like just because you're like I want to spend like five

[00:15:07] minutes with this person you need to actually think about your career as a career yeah and so

[00:15:14] I think Ramjan is kind of that idea where you know he's adding a bit of Scarface in there

[00:15:20] he's adding a bit of Vijay Dinanath Chauhan in there you know the shirt sometimes he also seems

[00:15:27] to add a bit of Ellen the generous and Hillary Clinton in there like a few moments I was like

[00:15:32] wait what's going on here. Asan choice in this movie is very very like defined like Shahrukh

[00:15:39] you are not going to wear a single shirt and always going to wear suits even in the dream

[00:15:44] sequences of Juhi or Shahrukh. The funny part is that so I was telling a couple of people who are

[00:15:52] like much younger that we're going to be doing an episode on Ramjane and they were just like what

[00:15:56] is that is that a movie and I was like no child it is not a new movie but I had seen other people

[00:16:04] like Shahrukh super fans on Twitter I had seen them talk about Ramjane just the week before

[00:16:11] and the reason why they were talking about him is because he was dressed pretty much the same during

[00:16:17] the the Jamnagar come at Gala without the shirt and the big you know the suits with the deep

[00:16:26] knees so yeah Shahrukh knows a look when he sees it. But I do think the look works better once you

[00:16:37] have chesticle muscles you know I think you need some definition in there because here we just have

[00:16:43] flat Shahrukh which is weird the funny part of the suit as you're talking about the dream sequences

[00:16:49] it's when they are in Mauritius and he's still dancing on the beach with the suit on and he

[00:16:54] is so tanned like you can see literally like the skin be like peeling off because it's like

[00:16:59] has a V of tan in there it's hilarious that he's still wearing those suits but yeah.

[00:17:05] I love Bollywood before they discover things like trainers and skincare.

[00:17:13] The audience in the background that doesn't know that they're just randomly Rambo sequencing a

[00:17:18] dance sequence here and they're just like staring at him on their beach and they have no shame you

[00:17:23] know it's just. What is happening in front of me? I definitely do your thing. 100% like

[00:17:31] not just one I think four or five movies have been shot in the same way.

[00:17:39] Yeah so yeah so we start with the whole you know kids angle and stuff like that and

[00:17:46] we have to start about the sequence why he's called Ramjhan. It's a throwback

[00:17:51] it's a foreshadowing of things to happen in PK like PK okay it's the same logic like

[00:17:57] somebody asks a Baba and the Baba is high on weed and he's like Ramjhan.

[00:18:05] He also has a lot of like sleeve bread like every time out of his sleeves he produces a bread

[00:18:10] it's like why I will not be eating that bread. Exactly. Plus if you have so much bread in your

[00:18:15] sleeve get a bag like put the bag next to you why are we keeping everything in your sleeve?

[00:18:21] Oh yeah so he's the one who calls him Ramjhan and he's just ecstatic for having a name

[00:18:31] and that becomes the whole theme for the rest of the movie right? Oh no the movie starts with

[00:18:35] somebody just delivering the baby in a bin. Yeah this is like random ass cold open and then

[00:18:42] it does not stop like the breakneck speed at which this movie delivers plot lines

[00:18:47] after subplots and everything you know it's just nuts and then for the most part of the movie nothing

[00:18:54] happens. Yeah you just keep getting introduced to people and then they just wander off and then

[00:19:00] you're just like what happened? But then basically Ramjhan becomes like a big big ass gangster right

[00:19:07] like that's the idea of it and but I don't know if when did the mask came out like what was

[00:19:15] that era was that like the same era or yeah because there's certain elements in his way of being a

[00:19:23] bad as action style that are very cartoonish because literally he kills one person with an

[00:19:30] exploding cigar and then secondly there's a huge shootout going on because they're smuggling obviously

[00:19:38] in that era which they're smuggling a lot of shit and Ramjhan has a cut out of himself as Ramjhan

[00:19:45] who comes that prepared to a shootout?

[00:19:56] Mask came out the previous year in 94. See then I knew and I know Shah Rukh must have

[00:20:03] loved the mask like that is his shit the mask right and he's like

[00:20:07] There needs to be a little element in the exploding cigar that needs to be in there like

[00:20:10] and the poster. I was just thinking imagine if you have to go to the printer and get your

[00:20:17] cut out done and then you're like no no no paper is a little thin we need thicker one do it again

[00:20:22] you know. Life size is required once. And you're not standing we need something else.

[00:20:31] These are top tips for Prince William.

[00:20:37] Oh an avid listener of Khan Dan I'm sure.

[00:20:55] So then basically the love triangle happens because it's

[00:20:58] bachpan ka pyar between Jui Chawla and Shah Rukh.

[00:21:03] Bachpan ki setting actually that's what it is. But then if you're mentioning then we also have

[00:21:09] to mention the bachpan ki dusmani with Punit Sir and the amount of ear hair that this guy has

[00:21:16] in this movie and how much it is highlighted with the backlight the the light people the

[00:21:22] cinematographer were all on it like this is the selling point of this movie like

[00:21:29] and oh my god it's just too much. It's also that era where everybody has like a line right so he has

[00:21:35] Jamaila, Aila and then one guy has you know yeh kya politics hai that they also like.

[00:21:46] Oh man. Shah Rukh obviously with this khalla.

[00:21:50] Yeah what the hell was that also?

[00:21:52] So like.

[00:21:54] Yeah that's a Shah Rukh vibing man Shah Rukh was doing whatever he wanted to do nobody could stop him

[00:21:59] you know we say there's a lot of much Salman right let Salman like just does whatever he wants

[00:22:04] but Shah Rukh is clearly doing the same thing here you know like yeah so then we they all

[00:22:11] grow up and Vivek Mushran is running like a orphanage with.

[00:22:16] Mr. India.

[00:22:17] Halfway house something like that.

[00:22:19] But it's like Mr. India but a lot of like inappropriate contact between these children

[00:22:26] because they're like just like sexually harassing each other left and right it is

[00:22:31] like shit is going on in Vivek Mushran's orphanage he should not get funding that guy you know

[00:22:37] and and then these kids are also like you know selling tickets on black and gambling and doing

[00:22:44] all sorts of shit.

[00:22:45] Vivek is not doing a good job of raising these kids at all they should take away these kids from him

[00:22:50] but Jui still loves him she's he's such a good guy because he's so

[00:22:55] and that that was another thing I think also this movie might have gotten a resurgence with

[00:23:00] animal and this whole mra kind of thing that's going on about you know being alpha

[00:23:07] because when when animal came out Shah Rukh's clips was being played about you know

[00:23:12] Shah Rukh saying that you know whenever I play a bad character I make sure that he has a bad end

[00:23:19] and being that the difference between animal right and I do think you know there's like

[00:23:26] Shah Rukh is the alpha and Vivek is the beta you know and but Jui still loves Vivek and

[00:23:33] she never gets to love Shah Rukh at all so that's I think there was there's a bit of

[00:23:39] kind of coming back to this movie from that point of view too I don't know if this movie has anything

[00:23:44] interesting to say about that because they're so outmatched and I mean the Jui Vivek love angle

[00:23:53] just looks you know there's there's no chemistry there's no nothing there at all you know yeah

[00:23:59] it's never established that Bela was ever in love with this guy it just like we see these

[00:24:06] people grow up and then Bela is in love we just are thrown into that mix and we see that this what's

[00:24:14] the character played by Vivek Murli he is just yeah yeah he's even given a name oh Murli yeah I don't

[00:24:27] know this movie is just yeah subplot after subplot for Shah Rukh to do what Shah Rukh does and then

[00:24:37] end of movie this movie does have the you are a Banda version one in it when Jui Chawla meets

[00:24:48] Shah Rukh for the first time after he comes back from jail there's a Banda reference in there also

[00:24:53] so I was like yeah this is the much weaker version of when it happens later on in is it yes boss

[00:24:59] or in no what's

[00:25:05] it gets me well mean a lot with note not too much context but yeah I don't know man I don't know

[00:25:12] what like it's would you recommend this movie like like is it fun was it fun for your minute

[00:25:18] I was this is a fun watch it gave me a little headache when I tried to watch it the first

[00:25:23] time around and I don't know how I got to the end of this movie like he did it

[00:25:31] for me I started looking at Easter eggs of things that are happening around the movie you know like in

[00:25:38] the London same Bombay Bombay second disco Bangra song in the club there are Batman posters

[00:25:48] yes no odd like no rhyme or reason that there's just Batman posters everywhere oh I think I know

[00:25:55] why there was a Batman why was there a Batman theme why it's literally for having the sequence

[00:26:00] where there's the gun hidden in the gun like he hides the gun in the gun so they need it obviously

[00:26:06] like some sort of gun cartoon in there and then they they pulled out the gun from the gun what

[00:26:13] else punkage Kapoor who we sort of revere in the highest regards is just I don't know was he underpaid

[00:26:21] was he on acid was he what was he doing in this movie so I want to talk actually a bit about punkage

[00:26:28] Kapoor because um yeah you're saying revered why is he revered to join like he's done a lot of

[00:26:36] television I think which we absolutely love like his work in office office as Musadilal is

[00:26:44] like talked about for generations Karam Chan back in the day was the only detective show that we

[00:26:49] started watching and that was like really groundbreaking for us you know as an introduction

[00:26:56] to that genre and then I think one of the big movie roles that I think of him when it comes to

[00:27:04] acting is Madhubal and also Roja you know I've never seen Roja what I've never seen Roja yeah yeah

[00:27:15] it was uh it was on I think they have a remaster of this on prime or something like that and I was

[00:27:20] like hey actually I've never seen this movie I mean I would love the soundtrack and listen to it

[00:27:24] so many times but actually never sat down to watch the movie probably he was like

[00:27:28] badly dubbed in that time or it wasn't easy to find you know it's like Roja was like a

[00:27:33] sleeper hit you know it didn't it crossed over but it wasn't like you know like a popular Bollywood

[00:27:39] kind of movie so I just kind of missed it at that time so speaking of prints like how crisp is the

[00:27:46] print that Netflix has like I was amazed at this that's what happened when red chili's buys back

[00:27:53] old shout outs old movies and then like puts it on something I mean those people are really

[00:27:59] like I we talk a lot about red chili is doing like VFX and stuff but honestly they also do a really good

[00:28:05] job of restoring shout outs old movies yeah all the eagle film stuff yeah um they did with the same

[00:28:12] with um English Babu Desi meme as well and the songs look amazing I'm really I can't dare to watch

[00:28:20] that movie but the songs looks amazing like Diwana who who am I Diwana is just like Sonali

[00:28:28] Vendrey looks like oh so good I was gonna say if anybody would watch that movie it would be you

[00:28:33] probably yeah because of Sonali Vendrey uh but like and I think this I was talking about this in

[00:28:40] Pathar Ke Pooh at that time like when we were recording like that movie looked so good I think

[00:28:45] Ramjane is restored but the movie doesn't look good necessarily I mean the print looks good

[00:28:49] but the sets the I mean it's all done on film city B plot you know yeah one small village they've

[00:28:58] built and then everything happens within that same locality like the Shadi is happening in that

[00:29:03] Mahalla and after the Shadi Shah Rukh Akai is dancing Ramjane yeah and I just also I think

[00:29:11] I was surprised to read this on Wikipedia that this movie was a hit actually because in my mind

[00:29:16] it flopped but apparently it didn't it was like quite good and successful movie well they made it cheap

[00:29:24] so that's why the that's probably the reason and you can see it like they spared every expense

[00:29:35] because I remember like there were like these slew of movies that came out I remember them

[00:29:39] really well because they all had good music and this one does too like even Zawana Diwana

[00:29:44] had like good songs in it and all of those movies were so disappointing and I've probably seen all of

[00:29:50] them the only movie I ever quit until a long time was Good Do I was just like I cannot sit through

[00:29:56] this like even then I knew it was just so bad so I did all of them if you like take all these

[00:30:02] names right Good Do, Zawana Diwana, this Ramjane and like English Babu Desi, Chahat even like

[00:30:11] they share the similar aesthetic like if you intermingle scenes from each movies and do an edit

[00:30:18] you can't tell which movie is which well that's what I was thinking about this film that this

[00:30:23] film is like so typical of 1980s filmmaking actually more than 1990s because when I think

[00:30:30] of 1990s filmmaking I'm thinking of Yash Chopra or Adi Chopra or Karan Johar even or Ram Gopal Varma

[00:30:39] Ram Gopal Varma who Satya comes out like three years after this one.

[00:30:43] Ranjina came out this year. Yeah but like Satya completely changed the gangster movie

[00:30:49] in Bollywood forever you know yeah um but this movie is very 80s like this is something that if

[00:30:56] you told me it had released in 1988 I would absolutely believe you. This is the kind of

[00:31:02] movie that you know like Dalmendra or somebody was making in the 80s you know you can also really

[00:31:08] see it in the clothes they wear I feel like more than anything there's something very 80s about

[00:31:14] those clothes um you know like like I'm just going through all of these movies of that era right

[00:31:21] and again except Dilwale you have to go almost to yes boss until there's like

[00:31:28] modern styling a little bit you know the way they're clothing and then immediately after

[00:31:33] yes boss it's Dilto Pagal which was a big turn in branding clothes and clothes and things like that

[00:31:41] but here what Shah Rukh is wearing you can really imagine Jackie Shraw for Anil Kapoor or Sunny

[00:31:47] Devul wearing in that same way right yeah and that just feels that dates the movie a lot.

[00:31:54] Oh for sure like especially that song Chori Chori Chalo Gori people's chow mein like that's

[00:31:59] such an 80s lyrics and the dress that our Juhi is made to wear is that Gau Ki Gori but it's also

[00:32:07] like what Rishi Kapoor and Juhi did in Vol Radha Bol you know. I was definitely getting Vol Radha

[00:32:12] whole vibes from that song but let's talk about the soundtrack a little bit like we're turning

[00:32:16] going around it this is a if there could be a more Anu Malik soundtrack I you cannot

[00:32:23] you know make me sing like and not like Anu Malik on the top of his game. Anu Malik like

[00:32:30] cheap drawers in Ikaal ki dena kappaya but you every song you could hear Anu Malik just

[00:32:36] belting it out on his harmonium you know and just like you know I could sing this song like you

[00:32:42] know like pump up the pangra that song I could I just had Anu Malik's voice in my head but

[00:32:53] this is that Bali Brahmabutt his five minutes of fame that Bali Brahmabutt had in the Hindi

[00:32:58] film industry he did Amma Deke and then it was pretty much this and then maybe one or two songs

[00:33:04] and it was done. It's that post Baba Sehgal era where everybody suddenly had to become a rapper

[00:33:12] you know yeah yeah it's painful. It's hilarious that nobody of this generation would necessarily

[00:33:23] know of Bali Brahmabutt but he was such a big thing like Amma Deke was a phenomenon and then this

[00:33:29] came out but this wasn't such a big hit but it took him forever to then give us like game che which

[00:33:35] was like 2000s I think with the Gis Deish me Ganga Rehtaya Govinda Rinki Khanna. Yeah. No like

[00:33:47] I yeah I don't remember like I owned an album like I don't even remember what the songs were on it

[00:33:55] but I remember very distinctly buying like an album by Gabbarmix. The Gabbarmix. That's what it was

[00:34:03] you're right you're right. Mumbai Sheher and Hadso Ka Sheher. What is this? I don't know what this is.

[00:34:09] Oh there is you know do you remember this actor from Bandit Queen Nirmal Pandey who is no more with us.

[00:34:15] He was in that music video and he did the Gabbarlalph. Yeah it was and I think the model was Namrata

[00:34:23] Barua I think who plays the damsel in distress in that music video. That was such a badass music

[00:34:30] video and everybody bought that album. That was like Bali Brahmabutt's like you know calling card

[00:34:36] I need to search this I've never I'll send it to you. Let's add it to the show not

[00:34:41] stew for people that haven't seen it. This was the peak era of well now it was the peak era

[00:34:47] this was like building up to the peak era of indie pop yeah like channel V and all were just

[00:34:55] like sort of putting money into Indian musicians and we were just seeing like all the stuff

[00:34:59] style Bhai was happening at this time. Yeah he's the guy with the gloves right style Bhai used to wear

[00:35:07] gloves yeah yeah they all had a damn gimmick you know like it's crazy oh my god.

[00:35:18] And then obviously we have the we have the Ram Janeh title song which is

[00:35:24] what do you think about that Sujay?

[00:35:28] Like it or not it was like everywhere and I don't know if I like it like this song or just

[00:35:34] relate it to a certain point of time in my life you know and like for like four or five

[00:35:40] weeks it was always on number 10 in um philip stopton countdown. It wasn't even number one

[00:35:47] number one was tuje dekhato yeh jana sanam that year right or jati hu meh it was you know

[00:35:56] between those two jati hu meh and tuje dekhato yeh jana sanam Ramjan Janeh was

[00:36:01] and and mangta hai kya was somewhere in the top three or four um yeah but only after 10 o'clock

[00:36:08] noom. It was a crazy year for Indian music but Ramjan is such a template Bollywood track with the

[00:36:16] dohl ki and you know but I could not remember like I always thought Udit Narayan and Alka Yagnik

[00:36:26] sang the song and Sonu Nigam comes in with Vivek Mushran's playback and he was like oh Sonu

[00:36:31] Nigam was also in this song it was a surprise for me because Sonu Nigam this was before Pardes

[00:36:36] so Sonu Nigam was mostly singing like T series Mohammed Rafi songs but I mean his Vivek Mushran's

[00:36:42] voice so clearly his career wasn't that great. Yeah for sure yeah I mean was this before Bhava

[00:36:50] Fa Sanam? Let me check yeah I think so. Achha Sila was a big thing right? I think Bhava Fa Sanam was

[00:36:57] like 96 or something I don't know I like Ramjan because everybody gets their happy line and their

[00:37:04] sad line in it you know like they also get the moralistic line like what do you know about the world

[00:37:09] oh if you do not sort out your life and this is going to happen to you and then they just go Ramjan

[00:37:15] you know Ramjan you know. Bhava Fa Sanam came out this year itself and this well yeah so

[00:37:23] lots of stuff happening yeah it's really like a dynamic like change era change kind of year a lot

[00:37:30] of things change like this is the last of that moment in a way but it's also really depressing to

[00:37:36] think that 95 was like yes like there was a year of change and like a lot of stuff was really bad

[00:37:43] but it was also like actually dynamic and like like driven by people who were actually trying to make

[00:37:52] something genuine versus say like 2023 which was also a year of great change and like you

[00:38:00] know like us sort of like trying to figure our way through but everything is just so

[00:38:04] corporate contentized that it's just like ridiculous and stupid and everything seems

[00:38:11] the same and like something that you've seen a million times before it's just really sad

[00:38:16] so I'm just looking at the list of movies that came out in 95 there's DDLJ Karanarjun, Raja, Barsat,

[00:38:23] Rangeela, Kuli, No. 1, Sabse Bada Khiladi, Trimurthy, Ramjanay, Nakkele, Hamakele, these are the top 10

[00:38:29] grossing movies right so there's such a huge like variety of in the way of you know what these

[00:38:36] movies are trying to do in the 90s and then we go back to like then we move to 96 and we're

[00:38:44] just back to the same old shit it's Raja Hindustani, Ghatak, Jeet, Sajan Chalai, Sasural, Agni

[00:38:49] Shakshi, Khiladi's Khiladi, Jan, Ajay, Diljale, Krishna. Good back to the 80s now.

[00:38:59] That's crazy man like there's so many titles you've just ratted off that like people have never

[00:39:05] talked about I think we should find a way I mean should we not be talking about Sabse

[00:39:11] Bada Khiladi and Diljale like what is this like I think we are the perfect place for this

[00:39:15] absolute nonsense we need to talk obviously Amrita needs to be paid for this shit because she's not

[00:39:23] going to do this for free absolutely the fuck not but yeah if somebody on Patreon wants to be a

[00:39:34] voter of the specific tier we will do Diljale or Sabse Bada Khiladi

[00:39:40] Let's do a few other of the songs that they came out

[00:39:45] okay this song I had completely erased from my brain cells it's called

[00:39:56] and the moment that beat started it all came flooding back to me and I was like oh my god

[00:40:03] this song it is so bad I don't know like didn't even like it's badly sung first of all like you have

[00:40:12] Abhiji Biggit Bhattacharya and I don't know she's just singing so false in this song like

[00:40:23] it's just like like why didn't make her do another take like I don't understand and they probably

[00:40:29] didn't have the budget I'm telling you they they saved every expense like you know like

[00:40:37] but like also they have suddenly I think all of their budget went away because they seem to have

[00:40:41] added CGI kisses in the song did you notice that you were probably on your phone when that was

[00:40:46] happening yeah so when when Jui says Pekow when Shah Rukh says Pekow I make Chuma there's like

[00:40:52] CGI kisses that fly and then they hit Shah Rukh but at that time I remember that at the beginning of

[00:40:59] the song yeah but they're shooting this song in Mauritius I think yeah and at that time when they

[00:41:05] had to add CGI they had to darken the screen so you're in Mauritius but these 30 seconds are

[00:41:12] super dark you have these really bright kisses flying around and then they hit his cheeks or

[00:41:17] whatever and yeah it's kind of reminded me of do you guys remember um

[00:41:24] Kadal Desam I think with Mustafa Mustafa that movie had a song called Hello Doctor

[00:41:30] yeah and that had so many animations happening or even in Chikabukku Rayleigh yeah um yeah it

[00:41:36] was kind of like the cool thing oh south ne dekhaya yes so let's do this yeah I think so I think so

[00:41:42] but because the weird part about that song is like the moment I heard it I knew it yeah you know

[00:41:50] like I and it's a song that I have not thought about like asim is saying like I have not thought

[00:41:55] about that song for a single second in 30 years if you asked me about that song I would be like no

[00:42:03] there's no such song and then the moment I heard it I was like of course I know this song

[00:42:07] and I had to go back and search where Anuradha Sri Ram like what's other songs has she sung

[00:42:14] and on her wiki page Ramjane is not there it's deleted I think her her Hindi singing career begins

[00:42:23] with Virasat in 97 right and she's song she's sung obviously Chunari Chunari from bv number one

[00:42:31] very very famous um she's also sung Dupatta Mera from

[00:42:50] like yeah when you say chunari chunari it is that weird as voice and even at that that is like just

[00:42:56] jarring to me it's not like a soothing voice or like it's not even a sexy voice it's just like a

[00:43:03] weird voice yeah maybe that's her like you know usb I guess nobody else can make that voice yeah

[00:43:11] and the song also has like a weird Urmila rangila spoof sardini where they're dancing on the

[00:43:16] caves and then uh I don't know why that was added in it and then it's like a whole sequence of 30

[00:43:23] seconds when they're doing like an Urmila dance and and this really feels just like a reason to have

[00:43:28] a holiday basically you know they shot three songs there or two songs there and that was that was it

[00:43:36] you have a long which again Anu Malik classic you know rip off artists just like you know

[00:43:45] stealing songs left and right and then the the basic template of churi churi chalo gori

[00:43:53] kata chub jayenga pao me yeah

[00:43:59] this is this rhyming sequence where it's just

[00:44:04] yeah it's uh it's pretty bad like and I'm like this this I know this album was a hit I know

[00:44:10] they make made money with this right well there's also the kitty song right bum cheeky cheeky bum

[00:44:14] which goes on for way too long it doesn't stop um yeah yeah I don't think this was an uh

[00:44:22] this was a good watch I'll have to admit um even and there's so many songs they come one after the other

[00:44:32] and uh they just it just slows down the music at the flow of this movie it's very hard to sit through

[00:44:39] I was just like if I don't think I would have finished this movie if it wasn't for the podcast

[00:44:46] basically um I would not even have started this movie if it wasn't for the podcast

[00:44:53] yeah I'm with I had to postpone this person's episode recording three times I yeah I like

[00:45:01] I was like literally like re-evaluating my life choices when I was watching this movie

[00:45:08] oh good I think also the big play of this movie was probably Shah Rukh's kai kusin

[00:45:16] yeah we need to talk a little bit about that uh because this is like really obsessive Shah Rukh

[00:45:24] so to set this up right like what happens is basically like he's assaulting Juhi's character

[00:45:31] right like no so Vivek Mushan has sacrificed his love for his friend which again is never

[00:45:39] really established why this needs to happen but also it seems like really weird because

[00:45:44] like Juhi's like oh I love you like whatever and Vivek is like huh but like he needs to be saved

[00:45:50] on the only way that you can save him is if you like go be his girlfriend and I'm just like yeah

[00:45:56] I don't I don't understand this logic but okay it's it's that why put that burden on the woman

[00:46:03] to sort him out you know like plus also like clearly he loves Juhi like that's clear right

[00:46:09] so why would you want it's not like you're sacrificing your love for somebody that can

[00:46:14] take better care of her or you know he's gonna be a better man than you it's like no go to this

[00:46:20] gangster that's gonna get killed next week you know like go go be with him so he's done this

[00:46:25] big sacrifice so Juhi's kind of like chalo let's try and all that I don't know what the

[00:46:30] motivation of Juhi's character is but like Ram Jhani basically has blue blue balls at that

[00:46:36] point and he's just like you know like we need to get something going here and she says no

[00:46:41] Shadi say that kind of sequence which is just the absurdity because you're clearly in this gangster

[00:46:48] universe yeah so yeah we were talking about so yeah he she basically he's basically putting the

[00:46:55] moves on her she doesn't want it because Shadi say Kabi Kabi and then

[00:47:01] he is not putting the moves on her he is practically throwing her everywhere yeah yeah yeah

[00:47:10] no no so she tells him no he's like oh it's basically that Diwar scene right like yeah

[00:47:21] and she's like oh he actually gave me to you you know he actually loves me but he gave me

[00:47:26] to you and then he gets into a fit of rage and I think what Shahrukh is playing like he's like

[00:47:33] because I love her I'm going to give her away and I'm gonna really be a bad guy so she has to kind

[00:47:38] of you know leave I think that's and then immediately he hits her basically right and then

[00:47:44] he's so enraged like why why did I hit her and he's like you know breaking the glass table

[00:47:51] with his arms and they're like he doesn't say why he says

[00:48:01] oh god it's and it's really like I mean we've proven our Shahrukh love enough

[00:48:08] on this on this show I could not stand him in this sequence

[00:48:13] I had to stand him throughout the entire film and that is very rare for me like usually there's

[00:48:20] at least like one or two things and I'm just like oh you know that's the charming Shahrukh blah blah

[00:48:25] this was just the worst character ever like he was just whiny and he was loud and that that accent

[00:48:33] was like a hate crime against Bombay people it was just like awful like it was absolutely freaking

[00:48:40] awful yeah and I think there's a lot a few of these movies of Shahrukh that we've kind of

[00:48:46] like forgotten especially the kids have forgotten because kids have been raised on you know K3G Shahrukh

[00:48:52] and onwards right and this Shahrukh and I'm dreading the day we have to cover Anjam I'm

[00:48:58] dreading the day we have to cover Guddu because we are still in for a rough ride we've picked out

[00:49:03] the best now it's the rest well you know what the Anjam might surprise you because I've seen

[00:49:09] like bits and pieces of it and that's an actually interesting performance in my opinion

[00:49:15] but like this is like something it's got like Madhuri it's got Madhuri which makes it interesting

[00:49:20] but again Madhuri is married to Deepak Tijori in that one if I'm not mistaken so yeah

[00:49:28] and there's Chane ke Khet me which will

[00:49:30] yeah and Koya me too

[00:49:31] okay let's just go next then okay let's just go

[00:49:35] didn't you do a remake of Chane ke Khet me recently

[00:49:38] didn't Sunny Leone do a Chane ke le Khet me remake

[00:49:42] I don't know I think I think this happened guys I think

[00:49:47] I think it must be your dream sequence yeah there was an 8-10 remix that happened

[00:49:53] yeah that was a that was a jack jackie yeah I'm literally googling it while we talk so

[00:50:01] because I'm 100% sure I've seen her do this okay okay maybe not maybe it wasn't my dream

[00:50:10] yes it was

[00:50:14] that's what you're doing a scary look into Asin's dream personality

[00:50:21] guys I'm gonna find this and you're gonna be like see he was right like you guys always do

[00:50:31] dancing to it I remember because they were she was like oh this is such a

[00:50:35] because she's Sunny Leone is very nice right on Instagram she's a very nice person

[00:50:39] and she was like very like oh I'm so scared to do this Madhuri song

[00:50:43] and I don't know if it was Chane ke Khet me or there was something else but she definitely

[00:50:46] recently a Madhuri song anyway we'll we'll correct or find this

[00:50:53] I think we're done I don't want to talk about this movie anymore this sucks I hated this I didn't like it

[00:50:59] yeah

[00:50:59] yeah

[00:51:01] uh final words on Shah Rukh on Ram Jani

[00:51:06] Ram Jani sucks and so does everyone in it please don't watch

[00:51:11] so Joy your first watch your first time watching Ram Jani what did you think

[00:51:17] uh I don't wish to visit this era of Shah Rukh like yeah I'm dreading um the other

[00:51:25] movies of this era of Shah Rukh that we are going to visit at some point because could it be

[00:51:31] that Salman was doing better movies in that time than Shah Rukh was

[00:51:35] I think Salman was doing better movies than Amir at this point yeah Amir we didn't even put into the

[00:51:42] no I think Salman was definitely doing better movies than like any of them like at this point

[00:51:47] but then Shah Rukh did have like Durr Bazi girl and yes the ones that were good

[00:51:54] really catapulted yeah but what Salman was doing like the thing is with Shah Rukh he

[00:51:59] worked with like the best like the best wanted to work with him Salman did this with the rest

[00:52:06] he did it with the B team and like a lot of his movies were legit good at that time also it is

[00:52:13] really nice just want to point out like the rest uh and like you know the B team includes

[00:52:19] his dad because his dad was writing a lot of these movies that he was in so that's really funny

[00:52:25] that he would also in Khan the meeting I'm trying to go back to what he was doing Salman at that time

[00:52:33] so this in 95 he did Karuna Arjun and Virgati amazing Virgati and then

[00:52:40] Amir Khan did Rangeela and Akele Hum Akele Tum

[00:52:44] hmm I mean the Neela is like good Akele Hum Akele Tum I cannot stand

[00:52:52] I was just gonna say should we do Akele Hum Akele Tum on the next one I've not seen that movie

[00:52:57] I it's like the worst remake of Kramer versus Kramer that I have ever like you can never imagine

[00:53:05] like it's just

[00:53:06] Salman did Salman did Khamoshi actually immediately in 96 and Jit and Jodoha so this is actually a

[00:53:16] good era for Salman to be honest right yeah yeah yeah Ozar then and thus he was man thus I'm still

[00:53:27] sad I can't believe this never got made man that would have been so amazing

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