The Carlos Sainz Show that Lando Norris could have won? 2024 Mexico City GP Review

[00:00:20] It's a good afternoon guys, I will have to officially step back from speaking duties today because I'm on celebratory duties, my guy has won, I don't know if it's going to be the last time ever or whatever it is, I don't even want to give up that thought in my head, I don't even want to think about it but yes, I need to sit back and relax and sit like a king today guys, this needs to be my moment, no?

[00:00:48] Enjoy it, absolutely

[00:00:48] I need to

[00:00:50] That's always the case with a Carlos Sainz win, right? It's always a little bit more special than other wins because, I mean it doesn't happen all that often as well but whenever it does, it's a very special occasion, there's always a nice backstory to it, there's always a resurgence, there's always a redemption attached to it so yeah, you should definitely celebrate it but I'm celebrating with you today

[00:01:12] Hey, the Ferrari t-shirts are out now, that's more like it, see?

[00:01:17] That's a fascinating thing

[00:01:19] Finally, you know, it feels like that time of the year again where you can bring out your Ferrari t-shirts, two race wins in a row, one for Leclerc, one for Sainz, the band is coming back in together and there's just something about a Carlos Sainz race win, Kunal, as Sundaram said.

[00:02:06] It wasn't really on per se but then, that was the move of a driver who had nothing to lose and the best part, Kunal, at the end of the race, he said,

[00:02:13] I will take opportunities like this and if more of them keep coming my way, I will go get them.

[00:02:21] It's incredible.

[00:02:23] You know what's incredible for me, Somal, beautifully explained, the incredible part is what Carlos Sainz is going through is unprecedented.

[00:02:33] Okay, he has been let off by Ferrari for Lewis Hamilton, not for lack of performances but just because of a brand of Lewis Hamilton joining Ferrari and if you were to take an immediate example or a recent example, it was Valtteri Bottas making way for George Russell.

[00:02:52] But the belief at that time was Bottas was done with his Mercedes tint.

[00:02:57] He was, you know, he had plateaued and he had gone over.

[00:03:00] The belief with Carlos Sainz is the opposite that, oh my God, he's still peaking, he's still peaking, he's still peaking and oops, he had to let go.

[00:03:08] And I love how he's embracing it.

[00:03:10] He's embracing it as a way of life saying, I'm just going to make the most of everything I can.

[00:03:15] He's not gone on a negative spiral because he's going to Williams.

[00:03:19] You don't know what's going to happen at Williams.

[00:03:20] Will they be quick?

[00:03:21] Will they not be quick?

[00:03:23] But he's definitely not going to be in podium or race winning potential or whatever you call it.

[00:03:27] And while he's embracing the reality, he's also being philosophical.

[00:03:33] He's, you know, he's able to narrate and express himself very well saying, I may never get this chance again.

[00:03:39] So let me make the most of it.

[00:03:41] And then, you know, how we express displeasure that I've been on this journey to make Ferrari what it is today, but I may not be there to extract the benefits when they actually come.

[00:03:50] Hmm.

[00:03:50] With title challenges in 2025.

[00:03:52] But the truth about this win.

[00:03:55] Okay.

[00:03:55] And you guys can correct me is this was probably the most boring of Carlos Sainz's race wins.

[00:04:02] His race wins are usually not boring.

[00:04:04] No, I'm talking only from his race point of view.

[00:04:07] The race was extremely exciting.

[00:04:10] But when you think of his drive, when you think of what he did up front, he was unmatched.

[00:04:15] And it was a boring race for him, so to say, apart from that one magnificent move on Max Verstappen.

[00:04:21] Oh, Kunal, no, you're not a science fan.

[00:04:24] I can tell because as a science fan, those two hours were, I mean, even if I know everything else, even if I just look at the timing screen, I was thoroughly entertained.

[00:04:32] Because every single time Leclerc and Norris pile up the pressure, that six second gap becomes a five second gap.

[00:04:40] Within a couple of laps, it's back to 6.6 or 7 or 7.5 or 8.

[00:04:45] For me, I was honestly so entertained looking at this guy flex his muscles throughout the race.

[00:04:52] When Leclerc came calling and when Sainz actively expressed his displeasure on the radio, after that, he didn't just make some angry noises and kept on doing what he was doing.

[00:05:02] He went on and became faster.

[00:05:04] And that for me was just so entertaining throughout.

[00:05:08] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:05:09] Don't get me wrong.

[00:05:10] It was a very entertaining race of beautiful execution by Carlos.

[00:05:15] Up front, controlling the narrative, all of that.

[00:05:19] But what I mean is if you think back at his other race wins that have come, okay, there's always been a lot of drama for him to win.

[00:05:27] Okay, guys stop inventing, etc.

[00:05:30] You know, Ferrari trying different things.

[00:05:32] This was clinical execution.

[00:05:33] And mind you, when Formula One teams and drivers execute clinical races, they often make it boring for the fans.

[00:05:40] If you take only Carlos Sainz into perspective, okay.

[00:05:44] Okay.

[00:05:45] So, I'm very glad that he's also delivered a race where he's like, isn't there nobody to challenge me?

[00:05:51] Because literally, there wasn't a lot of people.

[00:05:54] There weren't a lot of people challenging him throughout the business end of the weekend.

[00:05:58] I mean, on Saturday, that pole position, two-tenths is a massive gap for a Carlos Sainz pole position.

[00:06:06] It's actually the largest gap that he's ever had to pole.

[00:06:10] And I can read that out.

[00:06:11] 2.225 in Mexico.

[00:06:14] His previous pole, Singapore 23, seven hundredths of a second.

[00:06:20] Italy, Monza 2023, 13 hundredths of a second.

[00:06:23] That's crazy.

[00:06:24] So, if you go back to his previous five pole positions, this is the largest gap he even had to pole.

[00:06:31] So, it was one of those race weekends, Samuel and Sundaram, since you both are celebrating.

[00:06:35] And I celebrate every driver's race weekend just so I can express that I really love the sport, neutral of all the drivers.

[00:06:42] Much as I know you guys also do.

[00:06:44] It's just that you all have Ferrari merchandise to flex it this time.

[00:06:49] But I absolutely loved the way he controlled the race.

[00:06:53] And, you know, guys, it's another interesting thought.

[00:06:56] You know, you go to a high-speed circuit, you know, Ferrari's going to do okay.

[00:07:01] But you know Red Bull's going to do well.

[00:07:02] You go to a low to medium speed, lots of flowing corners, you know, McLaren's going to do well.

[00:07:07] Lots of car characteristics that come.

[00:07:10] Like someone loves to say, if it's cooler, Mercedes becomes quicker.

[00:07:13] This was one of those races, if you look at the Ferrari drivers, I think low grip surfaces and low grip circuits do not work for Charles Leclerc.

[00:07:26] He actually has been honest enough to accept it as well.

[00:07:29] And that was the difference.

[00:07:30] I mean, Charles Leclerc had no answer to Carlos Sainz pretty much the whole race weekend.

[00:07:37] Sundaram, I have one question for you on this.

[00:07:40] And I might be slightly biased.

[00:07:43] But I think this is the best Carlos Sainz win.

[00:07:47] Given the performance, given the circumstance, given the quality of the competition and given the quality of the cars around.

[00:07:54] And the occasion, a boy from Madrid winning in Mexico City with over 400,000 people watching him do so.

[00:08:01] Yeah, I think it doesn't get better than this, does it?

[00:08:03] I think each of Sainz's wins are just as special.

[00:08:07] Like I said, even if you start from his race in Great Britain, the first ever race, he's always been at his tactical best.

[00:08:14] And then I think Singapore and Australia would probably rate slightly higher.

[00:08:17] Also understanding the backdrop.

[00:08:20] Australia this year also because he had just come out of an appendix surgery and probably wasn't 100%.

[00:08:27] But like Kunal said, putting pole position and taking a margin of two tenths around what is the third shortest track of the season is a big thing.

[00:08:37] So he was literally on it in these last two race weekends.

[00:08:42] He was there in the practice sessions, there in qualifying.

[00:08:45] And I think he really made a difference.

[00:08:47] And from a statistical point of view, Sainz has won now in four different continents.

[00:08:51] He's won in Europe, in Asia, in Australia and now in North America.

[00:08:58] So what's missing is a race win in South America.

[00:09:01] So maybe that's happening next weekend as well.

[00:09:04] Oh yeah. Oh yes. That is a very good point.

[00:09:08] We are going to Brazil next time out.

[00:09:10] And well, we'll talk about what Brazil will be like and who it could favour in the preview.

[00:09:18] But we should very quickly turn things back around and talk more about the season.

[00:09:23] But before we do that, guys, before we get to all of that,

[00:09:27] one very, very, very, very important reminder for all of you.

[00:09:30] This is not just our debate. It's your debate as well.

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[00:09:48] It could just be a random thought as well.

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[00:09:53] And also, to be able to answer those questions on our Instagram stories.

[00:09:56] Because there are quite a few of them that have come up from this race weekend

[00:10:00] that are not really particular to the race, but around broader stuff,

[00:10:04] which we might not have time for in this episode.

[00:10:06] But for more extra coverage of the InsideLineF1 podcast,

[00:10:10] we have our social media platforms for that.

[00:10:12] So we will very gladly answer those questions for you over there.

[00:10:15] But coming back to the point, Kunal, six race winners,

[00:10:18] actually six two-time or double race winners in 2024,

[00:10:24] I...

[00:10:25] For me, having more competition between multiple teams

[00:10:30] across multiple circuits, across multiple car and driver characteristics

[00:10:34] is what makes for a good season.

[00:10:36] And in my eyes, 2024 is turning out to be better than 2021

[00:10:39] because less controversy, less 1v1 rubbish, if you know what I mean.

[00:10:45] I'm not saying 1v1 is rubbish, just that it got a bit too personal by the end.

[00:10:49] But now we're seeing so many different winners.

[00:10:51] And at any given point, anyone can and should win as well.

[00:10:55] Frankly, even better proponent for 2024 for me is 24 races.

[00:11:05] The first eight races, Red Bull Racing was the quickest.

[00:11:10] The next eight races, McLaren has been the quickest.

[00:11:14] But now the last eight races, if you were to break it in every third of a season

[00:11:20] or the season into equal thirds,

[00:11:22] I believe Ferrari is showing that they are the quickest.

[00:11:26] Okay.

[00:11:27] And to me, that's a beautiful sign of what Formula One can be in its heydays.

[00:11:33] You know, usually we are always shown or forced to see single or double team dominance

[00:11:39] that goes finishing one, two, 20 seconds ahead of the rest,

[00:11:43] pitting when they want to.

[00:11:44] But this is the Formula One that we all love.

[00:11:48] And I love the fact that we are literally going to go to Brazil

[00:11:52] and have no idea again on who is going to win, who is going to take Paul.

[00:11:57] We have the usual suspects.

[00:11:59] Yes, not as good to claim Paul because he's in the best car.

[00:12:03] Or Will Verstappen always pulls out a magic lap.

[00:12:06] But Leclerc is a single lap specialist.

[00:12:08] And of course, you can't ever leave out Lewis Hamilton in Brazil,

[00:12:12] you know, a country that's adopted him officially.

[00:12:14] But that will leave for Brazil.

[00:12:16] But that's what stands out for me the most about 2024.

[00:12:20] It's almost like I don't want the season to end.

[00:12:23] And for other, I don't want the new rules and regulations to come.

[00:12:27] I don't want the winter break.

[00:12:29] I'm like, if this is what Formula One is like, let's just bring forward the calendar,

[00:12:33] keep racing, because this is absolute chaos.

[00:12:36] And, you know, I know we've got the constructors standing,

[00:12:39] Ferraris, Charms, Red Bull, etc.

[00:12:41] But when we have the kind of races that we had yesterday,

[00:12:45] I don't even care about these standings.

[00:12:47] You know, one part of me is like, who cares where each team is and where each driver is?

[00:12:52] The fact that they're all trying to maximize that moment,

[00:12:56] that lap, that pit stop is so critical,

[00:12:59] because they normally don't fall under so much pressure

[00:13:03] that literally every driver going into Mexico said,

[00:13:06] I just need to maximize what I have this weekend.

[00:13:09] I need to maximize this lap.

[00:13:10] I need to maximize Q3.

[00:13:12] I need to maximize my first stint.

[00:13:14] Because there is no, there is no formula for winning.

[00:13:18] The only formula is you get the best out of what you have in that moment.

[00:13:22] And then you hope that that's better than everyone else.

[00:13:25] Hey, I'll tell you one reason to be excited by the standings.

[00:13:28] Sundaram, I'll have to get you to do some digging.

[00:13:31] Because we've all always asked for one thing from Formula One.

[00:13:37] We always say, let's go back to the glory days.

[00:13:39] Let's have McLaren versus Ferrari in the Constructors Championship.

[00:13:43] Where is that time?

[00:13:44] Where has the great memories gone?

[00:13:47] Well, the memories are back.

[00:13:49] It's McLaren versus Ferrari at the top of the Constructors standings,

[00:13:53] I believe for the first time since 2010 or something?

[00:13:58] Nine, not even nine, eight or ten, maybe something like that, no?

[00:14:01] Yeah, it really has been a while.

[00:14:03] I mean, McLaren were leading the championship at the start of 2014 as well.

[00:14:07] The very first race of the hybrid.

[00:14:08] Oh, yeah.

[00:14:10] But Ferrari won't, Desh, clearly.

[00:14:12] I don't think so.

[00:14:14] But that's what McLaren and Ferrari are the OG teams of Formula One.

[00:14:18] And that's when I say that seeing them back at the very front

[00:14:22] and that too consistently feels like it's a return of the old guard.

[00:14:25] And we've grown up watching these teams compete and these teams dominate.

[00:14:29] So them being at the forefront of it right now is amazing.

[00:14:33] And I think this season there's been a little bit for every single fan base,

[00:14:37] a little bit for the Ferrari and McLarens, a little bit for the Red Bulls,

[00:14:40] a little bit for the Mercedeses,

[00:14:41] and also a little bit or quite a bit for the smaller Haas fan base as well.

[00:14:46] So in that sense, having three to four different teams competing week in, week out

[00:14:50] is amazing for the sport's health.

[00:14:52] And if you want me to summarize that in terms of a stat,

[00:14:56] Max Verstappen is the only driver to have taken back-to-back race wins this year.

[00:15:01] The last time a driver took back-to-back wins was in Spain,

[00:15:05] which was Max Verstappen.

[00:15:07] The last 10 races, we've not had a back-to-back race win.

[00:15:09] It's always been a Lando or an Oscar or a Schaal or a Carlos.

[00:15:14] That's crazy.

[00:15:15] And Max Verstappen has still not won in those 10 races.

[00:15:18] So Formula 1 is in great health right now.

[00:15:21] And I hope it continues through to next year as well.

[00:15:24] Just look at the quality of drivers in that top nine,

[00:15:28] in the Drivers' Championship.

[00:15:29] Verstappen, Norris, Leclerc, Piastri, Sainz,

[00:15:32] Hamilton, Russell, Perez, Alonso.

[00:15:35] And if you were to talk about best of the rest,

[00:15:37] that's Nico Hülkenberg in P10, which is also incredible.

[00:15:41] We should get to Haas in some time.

[00:15:44] Now that you mentioned Nico Hülkenberg,

[00:15:47] I can't stop myself with saying this.

[00:15:49] But Nico Hülkenberg is the first Haas driver

[00:15:53] to score four points in a row for them.

[00:15:55] And that includes sprints as well.

[00:15:57] That includes the sprint as well.

[00:15:59] I mean, Romain Grosje has scored points in three Grand Prixs.

[00:16:03] But if you include the sprint,

[00:16:05] that's four races in a row.

[00:16:06] And Nico Hülkenberg is the first Haas driver

[00:16:09] to score points for them in four consecutive races.

[00:16:13] And they're letting him go.

[00:16:16] That's the sad part of it, right?

[00:16:18] Because I feel...

[00:16:18] They're not letting him go.

[00:16:19] Or rather they couldn't match the offer.

[00:16:22] Let's put it that way.

[00:16:23] No, the truth is,

[00:16:24] the truth is,

[00:16:26] Sauber Audi made a move before Haas could.

[00:16:29] And before Haas could get onto the table,

[00:16:31] the discussion had gone so further with Sauber Audi

[00:16:33] that they had to let him go.

[00:16:34] And at this moment,

[00:16:36] I think Nico Hülkenberg must just be feeling so silly

[00:16:38] that my goodness,

[00:16:40] I'm having the time of my life,

[00:16:41] but I'm going to give up on this package.

[00:16:43] But I'll tell you,

[00:16:44] the one driver who must be feeling most excited

[00:16:46] is Esteban Ocon.

[00:16:47] Because he's having a crazy timing in that Alpine.

[00:16:49] And every time Haas goes ahead and scores points,

[00:16:52] he must be relishing his prospects.

[00:16:54] Like saying,

[00:16:54] oh my goodness,

[00:16:55] this is what I'm going to get to race next year,

[00:16:58] of course.

[00:16:58] Hopefully,

[00:16:59] you know,

[00:17:00] pecking order stays the same changes.

[00:17:02] But Nico,

[00:17:02] fantastic guy.

[00:17:03] What a brilliant performer of the year already,

[00:17:07] I would say.

[00:17:08] And Kevin Magnussen,

[00:17:10] B7 in that Haas.

[00:17:11] His best performance of the entire season.

[00:17:14] Sometimes you need a driver to get his elbows out.

[00:17:17] And he's done just that.

[00:17:18] But also a word on him, right?

[00:17:19] We've bashed him left, right and centre

[00:17:21] for his driving earlier this season.

[00:17:23] At least I have.

[00:17:24] And I've been very critical of the way

[00:17:26] he goes about his racing.

[00:17:29] But there's a flip side to it as well.

[00:17:31] For the aggression you bring in,

[00:17:33] there's also the control that you have with you

[00:17:36] after doing so many races.

[00:17:38] And that control can be so invaluable

[00:17:40] for a team like Haas

[00:17:41] that just needs to,

[00:17:43] drinking game,

[00:17:44] maximise whatever they have.

[00:17:46] And for Kevin Magnussen to get B7

[00:17:48] towards the tail end of his Formula 1 career.

[00:17:51] His best finish in such a long time.

[00:17:53] And then to also remember

[00:17:54] that pole position he had

[00:17:55] a couple of years ago.

[00:17:56] I think he's just becoming better with time.

[00:18:00] Sauber, come on.

[00:18:01] If you're looking at Mick,

[00:18:03] if you're looking at Mick,

[00:18:05] I think you should look around

[00:18:06] what's in the paddock first.

[00:18:08] But okay, that's just my take.

[00:18:10] Should we get to Sauber later

[00:18:11] or should we go to Norris and Leclerc first?

[00:18:15] Because I feel there are bigger stories

[00:18:16] over there, guys.

[00:18:17] I think we can,

[00:18:18] yeah, nobody,

[00:18:19] I wish we cared more about Sauber much.

[00:18:21] Like they cared a little more about themselves.

[00:18:23] Well, the discussion is pointless,

[00:18:24] quite like their season so far, unfortunately.

[00:18:27] Yeah.

[00:18:27] And in the context of Kevin Magnussen,

[00:18:30] what I love is this Haas upgrade

[00:18:32] that they brought up in Austin

[00:18:34] has worked so well for him

[00:18:36] that he's actually outqualified

[00:18:38] Nico Hulkenberg two times in two races,

[00:18:40] which is also a very big achievement.

[00:18:42] And then he just fell out of the points in Austin

[00:18:44] because of a bad strategy.

[00:18:45] But so wonderful that the upgrade

[00:18:48] is working with both drivers and Haases.

[00:18:50] Literally, you cannot rule them out.

[00:18:53] Yeah, absolutely no chance.

[00:18:56] But guys, okay,

[00:18:57] I feel before we go to talk about P2

[00:19:01] and Lando Norris and Charles Leclerc

[00:19:03] and of course, Max Verstappen too,

[00:19:05] I feel we need to give you guys

[00:19:07] a bit of an introduction on who we are

[00:19:09] and what this podcast is all about.

[00:19:10] Because trust me, we will forget to do this

[00:19:14] and we don't want that to happen.

[00:19:17] We just don't want to listen to a couple of random noises

[00:19:19] or a couple of random voices actually

[00:19:21] without knowing who they are

[00:19:22] and what they're talking about.

[00:19:23] Because trust me,

[00:19:24] when we are going to be talking about

[00:19:26] that whole incident

[00:19:27] and the whole penalty for Max,

[00:19:28] you are sometimes going to wonder,

[00:19:30] I wish,

[00:19:32] I mean, you're going to wonder,

[00:19:34] am I listening to guys who know their stuff?

[00:19:36] We do.

[00:19:37] Touch wood.

[00:19:38] We've been around racing for quite a while.

[00:19:39] All four of us.

[00:19:40] Kunal, Mithila, myself, Somal and F1 Stats Guru.

[00:19:44] Who are we starting out with?

[00:19:45] It's Kunal first.

[00:19:46] I'll go for it.

[00:19:47] Former marketing head of the Force India Formula 1 team

[00:19:49] who now are in the guise of Aston Martin

[00:19:53] who now have Fernando Alonso in their team

[00:19:55] who was driving his 400th race

[00:19:57] and he stopped.

[00:19:59] Unfortunately, we'll get to that shortly.

[00:20:01] But he's also often seen on TV in Norway

[00:20:04] for the Wireplay Network's Formula 1 broadcast

[00:20:06] which he also produces behind the scenes.

[00:20:08] So it's very cool.

[00:20:08] And he's also worked with many top motorsport brands as well

[00:20:11] like Autosport, Motorsport, AutoX

[00:20:13] and you name it.

[00:20:15] Next up is me.

[00:20:16] Who's going next, guys?

[00:20:17] I'll go for you.

[00:20:18] And yes,

[00:20:19] I mean, Somal is one of the most,

[00:20:21] I mean,

[00:20:22] one of the youngest and sought after commentators

[00:20:24] in India and in this space around motorsport.

[00:20:27] Digitally, I mean, virtually as well as on ground.

[00:20:30] And if you just take a look at all the brands

[00:20:32] that you can see there,

[00:20:33] there's MotoGP,

[00:20:34] there's Formula E,

[00:20:35] there's Sony ESPN.

[00:20:36] And he's been around,

[00:20:37] he's done a lot of this

[00:20:38] and he's done this for a good 7-8 years.

[00:20:41] There's a lot of experience that comes with that.

[00:20:43] And he's, of course, my co-host here.

[00:20:46] But also,

[00:20:46] he's with me in the media comms room

[00:20:49] at the Indian Racing League

[00:20:50] and the Indian F4 Championship.

[00:20:51] So, someone who really brings a lot to the table

[00:20:54] and also in front of the mic.

[00:20:56] Too kind.

[00:20:57] But,

[00:20:57] we need to talk about you, Sundaram.

[00:21:00] And I think Kunal needs to tell that story.

[00:21:02] Yeah.

[00:21:03] So,

[00:21:03] from the voice of motorsport in India,

[00:21:06] who is Somal,

[00:21:07] I now get to introduce the best stats handle on the internet.

[00:21:12] I'm pretty sure every single listener

[00:21:14] has come across Sundaram's stats

[00:21:17] either on official broadcasts

[00:21:19] or Formula 1,

[00:21:20] Formula 2,

[00:21:21] or even the F1 Academy these days.

[00:21:23] Or you've read about it in several media spaces

[00:21:26] where he has written

[00:21:28] autosport,

[00:21:29] motorsport,

[00:21:30] the race as well.

[00:21:31] Or there's a good chance

[00:21:32] that people have just stolen his stat

[00:21:34] without giving him the credit

[00:21:36] as F1 stats guru,

[00:21:37] which is also something

[00:21:38] we've seen time and time again.

[00:21:40] But he's a member of the

[00:21:42] WTF1 talent group.

[00:21:44] And very proud that

[00:21:45] both Somal and Sundaram

[00:21:47] have been on this

[00:21:48] journey with me

[00:21:50] and Missila

[00:21:50] on the Inside Line F1 podcast

[00:21:53] since just during

[00:21:55] or just a little before the pandemic.

[00:21:57] So, we're going from strength to strength.

[00:21:59] And I couldn't have done it

[00:22:01] without you both.

[00:22:02] So, thank you very much.

[00:22:03] But there's one unfortunate thing.

[00:22:06] Sundaram,

[00:22:06] you're not going to be with us

[00:22:07] for the entire episode,

[00:22:08] I'm hearing.

[00:22:09] Yeah, unfortunately,

[00:22:10] my office folks also need me

[00:22:11] to help solve a couple of solutions

[00:22:13] there as well.

[00:22:14] So, I'll have to

[00:22:15] quickly jump over to work.

[00:22:17] But, of course,

[00:22:18] you guys should definitely

[00:22:19] continue the discussion

[00:22:20] and let people know

[00:22:21] if that penalty

[00:22:22] was truly deserved

[00:22:24] and probably dissect that

[00:22:25] a little bit more.

[00:22:26] I'll have to jump off

[00:22:27] and I'll catch you folks soon.

[00:22:29] Do you have a second though?

[00:22:30] Just give us your opinion.

[00:22:32] Was it fair?

[00:22:33] Were both of them fair or not?

[00:22:34] They're actually calling you now.

[00:22:36] They're right on your back.

[00:22:38] They don't want you to say

[00:22:39] or share your opinion

[00:22:40] on the penalty.

[00:22:42] No, I think

[00:22:43] it was a long time coming.

[00:22:45] And I don't want to discuss

[00:22:47] much about the penalty

[00:22:48] because I think it really

[00:22:49] was a long time coming

[00:22:50] and I think Verstappen

[00:22:52] is also kind of

[00:22:52] pushing the limits

[00:22:53] of trying to see

[00:22:54] how long can he get away with it.

[00:22:57] But largely,

[00:22:57] I have a point

[00:22:58] on how Max likes to

[00:23:01] deal with his championship fights.

[00:23:03] And there's a very nice analogy

[00:23:05] from the Three Idiots movie

[00:23:06] that comes to mind.

[00:23:07] If you want to top a subject,

[00:23:09] you either study really hard

[00:23:11] or you detract your competitors,

[00:23:14] you distract them

[00:23:14] so that they get lower points

[00:23:16] than you,

[00:23:17] lower marks than you.

[00:23:18] And I feel

[00:23:19] after watching yesterday's race,

[00:23:20] I felt that's what

[00:23:21] Max has been doing

[00:23:23] rather than going

[00:23:23] and really trying

[00:23:25] to put his car

[00:23:26] on the podium.

[00:23:27] I think he's really

[00:23:27] after Lando Norris

[00:23:29] and trying to ensure

[00:23:30] that he stays

[00:23:31] either behind him

[00:23:32] or the both of them

[00:23:32] crash out of the race.

[00:23:34] And I got such

[00:23:35] similar feelings

[00:23:36] even during the 2021 season

[00:23:38] when I felt

[00:23:39] Hamilton has the chance

[00:23:40] to outscore him

[00:23:41] during a race

[00:23:42] and then they both crash out.

[00:23:44] And it's not a good feeling.

[00:23:45] It doesn't give...

[00:23:47] It's not a nice way

[00:23:49] to add those sort of words

[00:23:51] around Max Verstappen's reputation.

[00:23:53] Sure, he's a very talented

[00:23:55] and skilled driver

[00:23:56] but you don't want

[00:23:57] to have these sort of remarks

[00:23:59] against your driving style

[00:24:00] and your career.

[00:24:02] So that's what I just feel about it.

[00:24:04] Maybe it could have been

[00:24:06] better racing

[00:24:07] but the penalty

[00:24:08] was long time coming.

[00:24:10] That's it.

[00:24:10] Max and Chatur.

[00:24:11] Max and Chatur.

[00:24:12] Max and Chatur.

[00:24:12] Okay, we'll let you go

[00:24:14] on that Sundaram.

[00:24:15] Thank you.

[00:24:15] Thank you for joining us.

[00:24:19] But there's a good correlation Kunal.

[00:24:22] If you guys have indeed

[00:24:23] watched Three Idiots

[00:24:26] you're probably going to love

[00:24:27] this analogy as much as I am.

[00:24:28] I'm just relishing it.

[00:24:30] But for the non-Indian audiences

[00:24:32] we should just explain quickly

[00:24:35] what Three Idiots is.

[00:24:36] It's a blockbuster Bollywood movie

[00:24:38] 15 years ago

[00:24:39] three friends set out

[00:24:42] to do different things

[00:24:42] in the world

[00:24:43] and it's a movie on friendship

[00:24:45] but lots of interesting philosophy

[00:24:48] about pursuing what you want

[00:24:50] to do in life

[00:24:51] preparing for it

[00:24:52] intelligence versus preparation

[00:24:54] and several things

[00:24:55] because intelligence here

[00:24:57] you know

[00:24:57] if we go back to that analogy

[00:24:59] I think Max worked really hard

[00:25:01] in the first parts of the races

[00:25:02] first parts of the season.

[00:25:04] If you remember

[00:25:05] when he was still winning everything

[00:25:07] and he was pushing Red Bull

[00:25:09] where you take 22 or 23 into account

[00:25:11] even for the fastest lap of the race

[00:25:14] for you know

[00:25:15] a risky strategy

[00:25:16] or a pit stop

[00:25:17] this is why

[00:25:18] they do that

[00:25:20] when you have the fastest car

[00:25:21] when you've got the car

[00:25:22] you want to maximize

[00:25:24] every single point

[00:25:25] because you never know

[00:25:26] when that point

[00:25:27] is going to come handy

[00:25:28] just in case

[00:25:29] the fastest car

[00:25:30] goes away to a rival of yours

[00:25:31] and that's what's pretty much happened

[00:25:33] and it shifted to Norris

[00:25:34] and now it's shifted to Ferrari

[00:25:35] like I was saying earlier

[00:25:36] in the season

[00:25:38] and going back

[00:25:39] to this incident

[00:25:40] of course

[00:25:40] Max Verstappen

[00:25:41] firstly

[00:25:41] I don't

[00:25:43] I have a different view

[00:25:44] on it's been a long time coming

[00:25:47] because it cannot be

[00:25:48] that you penalize Max

[00:25:50] in Mexico

[00:25:51] just because

[00:25:52] you didn't penalize him

[00:25:53] enough in Austin

[00:25:54] or in Brazil

[00:25:55] or in whichever parts

[00:25:56] of the world

[00:25:57] before

[00:25:57] so I am a little different

[00:25:59] like

[00:25:59] you're going to treat

[00:26:00] it for what it is today

[00:26:02] and I think there is a bit

[00:26:03] of a hangover

[00:26:04] because Austin was just

[00:26:05] four or five days

[00:26:06] seven days ago

[00:26:07] lots of controversy

[00:26:09] they had discussions

[00:26:11] in the driver's briefing

[00:26:12] which went on really long

[00:26:13] apparently

[00:26:14] Norris and Verstappen

[00:26:15] were directly speaking

[00:26:17] to each other

[00:26:18] over the incidents

[00:26:19] that happened

[00:26:20] and frankly

[00:26:22] I think Max

[00:26:23] even post race

[00:26:24] said if he hadn't

[00:26:25] driven the way he did

[00:26:26] Lando would have won

[00:26:27] the race

[00:26:28] and Max would have

[00:26:29] lost a lot of points

[00:26:31] so of course

[00:26:32] the right mentality

[00:26:33] but I just wish

[00:26:34] it wasn't

[00:26:35] on display

[00:26:36] in this way

[00:26:37] when I say right mentality

[00:26:38] as in yes

[00:26:38] if I don't win

[00:26:39] I don't want my rivals

[00:26:40] to win

[00:26:40] fair enough

[00:26:40] that's the right mentality

[00:26:41] you need to have

[00:26:42] as a top athlete

[00:26:43] but I don't know

[00:26:44] if this is the best

[00:26:45] way of executing it

[00:26:47] because I genuinely

[00:26:48] like

[00:26:48] while I treat

[00:26:50] this incident

[00:26:50] for what it was

[00:26:51] I think Max Verstappen

[00:26:52] robbed us

[00:26:53] of a beautiful

[00:26:54] Sainz versus

[00:26:56] Lando Norris

[00:26:56] battle

[00:26:57] for the race win

[00:26:58] and I say beautiful

[00:26:58] because at the start

[00:27:00] of the show

[00:27:01] I said Sainz

[00:27:02] was unmatched

[00:27:02] and the only driver

[00:27:04] who could have

[00:27:05] matched him

[00:27:05] was Lando Norris

[00:27:07] and I think

[00:27:08] he just sort of

[00:27:09] took that away

[00:27:10] from us

[00:27:10] because by doing

[00:27:11] what he did

[00:27:12] Norris just lost

[00:27:13] one more position

[00:27:14] to Charles Leclerc

[00:27:15] and then

[00:27:16] Ferrari played

[00:27:17] the team game

[00:27:18] as they should

[00:27:18] and helped

[00:27:19] Carlos Sainz

[00:27:20] nail that win in

[00:27:21] but my whole

[00:27:23] question here is

[00:27:24] why does he

[00:27:25] have to do this

[00:27:26] I get the point

[00:27:28] about trying to

[00:27:29] make sure that

[00:27:30] your rivals

[00:27:30] don't get one up

[00:27:31] on you

[00:27:32] and trying to

[00:27:32] make sure that

[00:27:34] you're able to

[00:27:34] maximize the

[00:27:35] points gap

[00:27:36] between the two

[00:27:36] of you

[00:27:37] but how

[00:27:38] how dirty

[00:27:39] do you want

[00:27:39] to be

[00:27:39] how aggressive

[00:27:40] do you want

[00:27:40] to get

[00:27:41] and you know

[00:27:42] it's

[00:27:43] it's blatant

[00:27:45] I don't want

[00:27:46] to use the word

[00:27:47] cheating

[00:27:47] but it's blatant

[00:27:48] exploitation

[00:27:49] of the rules

[00:27:50] here

[00:27:50] because a 20

[00:27:51] second penalty

[00:27:52] doesn't do enough

[00:27:53] ultimately

[00:27:54] you get 10

[00:27:55] 10 seconds

[00:27:55] each for both

[00:27:56] the incidents

[00:27:57] but at the

[00:27:57] end of the

[00:27:58] day he knows

[00:27:58] he has a car

[00:27:59] good enough

[00:27:59] that it can

[00:28:00] drop back down

[00:28:01] and come up

[00:28:02] to P6 or P7

[00:28:03] I'm not denying

[00:28:04] why they did

[00:28:05] that

[00:28:05] it's fair

[00:28:06] if I was

[00:28:07] Red Bull Racing

[00:28:07] and if I had

[00:28:09] that mentality

[00:28:09] of doing

[00:28:10] anything to win

[00:28:11] which is what

[00:28:11] they glorify in

[00:28:12] Formula 1

[00:28:12] remember

[00:28:13] this is why

[00:28:13] we love

[00:28:13] the sport

[00:28:15] I would end

[00:28:15] up doing

[00:28:16] the same thing

[00:28:16] taking on

[00:28:17] that 20

[00:28:17] second penalty

[00:28:18] going back

[00:28:19] and then charging

[00:28:20] back up to

[00:28:21] scores and points

[00:28:21] which Max

[00:28:22] ultimately did

[00:28:23] but my point

[00:28:24] is

[00:28:24] you're Max

[00:28:26] Vissappen

[00:28:26] you're the

[00:28:27] best driver

[00:28:28] on earth

[00:28:28] nobody can

[00:28:30] match you

[00:28:30] I still believe

[00:28:31] nobody can

[00:28:31] match him

[00:28:32] I still believe

[00:28:33] he's right on

[00:28:33] that level

[00:28:34] with Lewis

[00:28:34] Hamilton

[00:28:35] fastest driver

[00:28:36] in qualifying

[00:28:37] fastest driver

[00:28:37] in the race

[00:28:38] sometimes it

[00:28:38] doesn't work

[00:28:39] out

[00:28:39] but

[00:28:41] I feel

[00:28:42] you get the

[00:28:43] mark of a

[00:28:44] champion

[00:28:44] by seeing

[00:28:45] how they lose

[00:28:46] or by seeing

[00:28:47] how they accept

[00:28:48] losing

[00:28:49] that's where

[00:28:50] this is a

[00:28:51] very bitter

[00:28:52] pill to me

[00:28:52] like driving

[00:28:54] your rival

[00:28:54] off the track

[00:28:56] deliberately

[00:28:56] first incident

[00:28:57] turn 4

[00:28:58] we'll get back

[00:28:59] to it in a

[00:28:59] second

[00:28:59] but I want to

[00:29:00] talk about

[00:29:01] the other one

[00:29:01] the one we

[00:29:01] have on our

[00:29:02] screen right

[00:29:02] now

[00:29:02] driving him

[00:29:03] off blatantly

[00:29:04] sending it

[00:29:04] on the inside

[00:29:05] line when you're

[00:29:05] easily at around

[00:29:06] 200 kph or

[00:29:07] something with

[00:29:08] the wall so

[00:29:09] close to you

[00:29:10] what if Lando

[00:29:11] doesn't let go

[00:29:12] what if he

[00:29:13] doesn't see the

[00:29:14] position

[00:29:15] both of you are

[00:29:16] in the wall

[00:29:16] at 200 250

[00:29:17] that's all your

[00:29:18] mechanics hard work

[00:29:19] and effort done

[00:29:19] and weren't

[00:29:20] you the people

[00:29:21] complaining in

[00:29:21] Silverstone 2021

[00:29:22] saying that it

[00:29:23] was a bit too

[00:29:23] risky of a move

[00:29:24] by Lewis

[00:29:25] I just don't

[00:29:26] get it

[00:29:26] I don't get

[00:29:28] the duality

[00:29:28] of it

[00:29:29] and speaking

[00:29:29] of duality

[00:29:30] I am absolutely

[00:29:31] annoyed

[00:29:33] maybe it's a

[00:29:33] trivial issue

[00:29:34] to be annoyed

[00:29:34] by but

[00:29:36] I'm starting

[00:29:37] to lose my

[00:29:39] racing respect

[00:29:40] for Christian

[00:29:40] honor if you

[00:29:41] know what I

[00:29:41] mean as a

[00:29:42] person obviously

[00:29:42] there's great

[00:29:43] admiration for

[00:29:44] everything he's

[00:29:45] achieved with

[00:29:45] Red Bull

[00:29:46] racing building

[00:29:46] such an

[00:29:47] empire managing

[00:29:48] such successful

[00:29:48] drivers

[00:29:49] but I don't

[00:29:51] get someone

[00:29:51] switching their

[00:29:52] morals on

[00:29:54] racing one

[00:29:55] weekend after

[00:29:56] the other

[00:29:56] depending on

[00:29:57] what's convenient

[00:29:58] for their team

[00:29:58] Christian

[00:29:59] honor Kunal

[00:30:00] brought out

[00:30:01] the telemetry

[00:30:01] and data

[00:30:02] from Verstappen

[00:30:03] and Norris

[00:30:03] Stern for

[00:30:03] incident to

[00:30:05] show that

[00:30:05] Norris was

[00:30:06] going 15

[00:30:07] kilometers per

[00:30:08] hour faster

[00:30:08] at the apex

[00:30:09] than he did

[00:30:10] on his fastest

[00:30:11] lap which means

[00:30:12] he's not going

[00:30:13] to make the

[00:30:13] corner hence

[00:30:14] Lando was ahead

[00:30:15] at the apex

[00:30:16] hence he had

[00:30:17] the right of

[00:30:18] passage at the

[00:30:18] corner

[00:30:19] hence he kept

[00:30:20] his position

[00:30:20] and hence

[00:30:21] Max got the

[00:30:22] penalty

[00:30:22] and now

[00:30:23] Christian honor

[00:30:24] is complaining

[00:30:24] that this is

[00:30:25] too dangerous

[00:30:26] buddy you were

[00:30:27] the same person

[00:30:27] who accepted

[00:30:29] this last

[00:30:29] weekend and

[00:30:31] justified this

[00:30:32] as the reason

[00:30:32] for why

[00:30:33] Verstappen

[00:30:33] didn't get a

[00:30:34] penalty because

[00:30:34] he was ahead

[00:30:35] at the apex

[00:30:35] so when your

[00:30:36] driver does it

[00:30:36] it's smart

[00:30:38] when the other

[00:30:38] one does it

[00:30:39] it's getting

[00:30:40] too dangerous

[00:30:41] explain that to

[00:30:42] me Kunal

[00:30:42] I struggle to

[00:30:43] make sense of

[00:30:44] it

[00:30:44] well it's

[00:30:45] classic

[00:30:45] human

[00:30:45] psychology

[00:30:46] at play

[00:30:47] at display

[00:30:48] because it's

[00:30:50] a high stakes

[00:30:50] game

[00:30:51] high speed

[00:30:51] high stakes

[00:30:52] high risk

[00:30:53] high reward

[00:30:54] everything is

[00:30:55] high

[00:30:55] and Christian

[00:30:57] is doing

[00:30:57] what any

[00:30:58] human

[00:30:59] and I

[00:30:59] believe every

[00:31:00] human is

[00:31:00] selfish

[00:31:00] every selfish

[00:31:02] human

[00:31:03] does so

[00:31:04] but hear me

[00:31:05] out

[00:31:06] on that

[00:31:06] sorry to

[00:31:07] cut in

[00:31:07] but being

[00:31:08] selfish doesn't

[00:31:09] mean accepting

[00:31:10] things as they

[00:31:11] are right

[00:31:12] because there's

[00:31:12] a difference

[00:31:13] between the two

[00:31:13] you can be

[00:31:14] selfish

[00:31:15] but you can

[00:31:15] also accept

[00:31:16] reality for

[00:31:17] what it is

[00:31:17] and maybe

[00:31:18] not turn

[00:31:20] morality into

[00:31:21] the way you

[00:31:21] want it to

[00:31:22] I feel there's

[00:31:23] a gap between

[00:31:23] the two of

[00:31:23] them

[00:31:24] but I think

[00:31:25] if you ask

[00:31:26] him in public

[00:31:27] versus what

[00:31:28] you ask him

[00:31:28] in private

[00:31:29] you might get

[00:31:29] a different

[00:31:29] answer

[00:31:30] here they have

[00:31:31] to twist

[00:31:31] reality

[00:31:33] to showcase

[00:31:34] why their

[00:31:35] particular driver

[00:31:37] didn't do

[00:31:38] something

[00:31:38] and I think

[00:31:39] that's what

[00:31:39] they're doing

[00:31:39] out here

[00:31:40] and at the

[00:31:42] moment I think

[00:31:42] Max Verstappen

[00:31:43] is that one

[00:31:44] driver who

[00:31:44] knows absolutely

[00:31:46] to what extent

[00:31:47] he can stretch

[00:31:48] the rule book

[00:31:49] when it comes

[00:31:49] to the driving

[00:31:50] guidelines as

[00:31:51] we've got in

[00:31:51] Formula 1

[00:31:52] and we've got

[00:31:54] to hand it

[00:31:54] over to him

[00:31:55] for knowing

[00:31:55] exactly what

[00:31:56] he can do

[00:31:56] at what

[00:31:57] times of

[00:31:58] wheel-to-wheel

[00:31:59] battle

[00:31:59] he knows it

[00:32:00] he's extracting

[00:32:01] it

[00:32:02] I'm not saying

[00:32:03] it's right or

[00:32:03] wrong

[00:32:03] I'm just

[00:32:04] saying he's

[00:32:04] doing what

[00:32:05] he's doing

[00:32:05] this is like

[00:32:06] a team

[00:32:07] finding a

[00:32:07] loophole

[00:32:07] in the

[00:32:08] sporting

[00:32:08] or the

[00:32:09] technical

[00:32:09] regulations

[00:32:10] and then

[00:32:11] building a

[00:32:11] double

[00:32:11] diffuser

[00:32:12] it's not

[00:32:12] right or

[00:32:12] wrong

[00:32:12] it's a

[00:32:13] loophole

[00:32:13] and you've

[00:32:13] exploited

[00:32:14] it and

[00:32:14] that's

[00:32:15] what Max

[00:32:15] is doing

[00:32:15] the FIA

[00:32:17] did say

[00:32:17] after Austin

[00:32:18] that they're

[00:32:19] going to

[00:32:20] change

[00:32:20] going to

[00:32:21] have a

[00:32:21] relook at

[00:32:22] those driving

[00:32:22] guidelines

[00:32:23] which I think

[00:32:24] is very

[00:32:24] good

[00:32:25] but what

[00:32:25] Christian

[00:32:26] Horner's

[00:32:26] done here

[00:32:27] is basically

[00:32:28] what every

[00:32:28] team boss

[00:32:28] has done

[00:32:29] taken the

[00:32:29] fight to

[00:32:30] the media

[00:32:30] give some

[00:32:31] narratives to

[00:32:32] the media

[00:32:32] to let

[00:32:33] them write

[00:32:34] their stories

[00:32:35] and I get

[00:32:36] a feeling

[00:32:37] that I

[00:32:38] really so

[00:32:38] there are

[00:32:39] two outcomes

[00:32:40] if we take

[00:32:40] a step

[00:32:41] back and

[00:32:41] we see

[00:32:41] what could

[00:32:42] those outcomes

[00:32:42] be either

[00:32:43] the driving

[00:32:43] guidelines

[00:32:44] will get

[00:32:44] increasingly

[00:32:45] more complex

[00:32:46] which I

[00:32:47] really hope

[00:32:47] not or

[00:32:48] we take

[00:32:49] a step

[00:32:49] back and

[00:32:49] FIA

[00:32:50] might just

[00:32:50] take that

[00:32:51] whole let

[00:32:52] them race

[00:32:53] approach

[00:32:53] where we

[00:32:54] might have

[00:32:55] more relaxed

[00:32:57] rules of

[00:32:58] racing because

[00:32:59] at the moment

[00:33:00] Max is doing

[00:33:01] whatever he

[00:33:02] wants to

[00:33:02] do and

[00:33:03] finally for

[00:33:04] once he's

[00:33:05] gotten what a

[00:33:05] 22nd time

[00:33:06] penalty I

[00:33:07] mean I

[00:33:07] joked in

[00:33:08] the middle

[00:33:08] of the race

[00:33:08] saying the

[00:33:08] Red Bull

[00:33:09] mechanics

[00:33:09] better remember

[00:33:10] whichever

[00:33:10] driver's

[00:33:11] pitting

[00:33:13] they've got

[00:33:13] a time

[00:33:14] penalty to

[00:33:14] serve because

[00:33:15] both the

[00:33:15] drivers had

[00:33:16] time penalties

[00:33:17] and different

[00:33:18] time penalties

[00:33:19] but coming

[00:33:20] back to this

[00:33:21] the whole

[00:33:21] driving

[00:33:22] guidelines

[00:33:22] I think

[00:33:24] if there's

[00:33:25] one common

[00:33:25] rule that

[00:33:27] needs to be

[00:33:27] kept everywhere

[00:33:28] it's just

[00:33:29] leave the

[00:33:30] space

[00:33:31] leave the

[00:33:31] space for

[00:33:32] the other

[00:33:32] person

[00:33:34] and just

[00:33:35] quite simply

[00:33:35] if you're

[00:33:37] ahead be

[00:33:37] entitled to

[00:33:38] the corner

[00:33:38] that's all

[00:33:39] and if

[00:33:39] you're side

[00:33:40] by side

[00:33:40] just leave

[00:33:41] space

[00:33:42] and then

[00:33:42] you can't

[00:33:43] be going

[00:33:43] to the

[00:33:43] technicalities

[00:33:44] of oh

[00:33:44] my axle

[00:33:45] was ahead

[00:33:46] or my

[00:33:46] front end

[00:33:47] wing plate

[00:33:47] was ahead

[00:33:48] or whatever

[00:33:48] it might

[00:33:49] be

[00:33:49] if you're

[00:33:50] side by

[00:33:50] side

[00:33:52] broadly

[00:33:52] leave space

[00:33:53] this to me

[00:33:55] was I

[00:33:55] mean more

[00:33:56] than just

[00:33:58] more than

[00:33:59] just unfair

[00:33:59] more than

[00:34:00] just

[00:34:02] very reactionary

[00:34:04] and very

[00:34:05] aggressive

[00:34:05] it's

[00:34:06] dangerous

[00:34:07] and that's

[00:34:08] what I'm

[00:34:09] most annoyed

[00:34:09] by I

[00:34:09] don't want

[00:34:10] my Formula

[00:34:10] One world

[00:34:11] champion to

[00:34:11] be dangerous

[00:34:12] and it's

[00:34:12] not like I'm

[00:34:13] voting for a

[00:34:13] world champion

[00:34:14] but that's

[00:34:15] the person

[00:34:15] who represents

[00:34:16] the sport

[00:34:17] ultimately

[00:34:17] and is a

[00:34:18] beacon of

[00:34:19] light and

[00:34:19] hope for

[00:34:20] future

[00:34:20] drivers

[00:34:20] is this

[00:34:21] the precedent

[00:34:22] you want to

[00:34:22] set for

[00:34:22] future

[00:34:23] drivers

[00:34:23] I'm talking

[00:34:24] like an

[00:34:25] auntie here

[00:34:25] but sure

[00:34:26] it's a valid

[00:34:27] point to bring

[00:34:27] up

[00:34:27] it's a

[00:34:28] very valid

[00:34:29] point

[00:34:29] and in

[00:34:30] fact I'm

[00:34:31] going to

[00:34:31] expand on

[00:34:32] what you

[00:34:32] just said

[00:34:33] because

[00:34:33] we all

[00:34:34] why do we

[00:34:34] love Max

[00:34:35] Verstappen

[00:34:35] as a

[00:34:36] driver

[00:34:36] because of

[00:34:38] him able

[00:34:39] to pull

[00:34:40] that special

[00:34:41] lap when he

[00:34:42] has to

[00:34:42] him able

[00:34:43] to offer

[00:34:44] some really

[00:34:45] hard racing

[00:34:47] when he can

[00:34:48] we remember

[00:34:48] 2022 him

[00:34:49] and Leclerc

[00:34:50] going wheel

[00:34:50] to wheel

[00:34:51] 2021 him

[00:34:52] and Max

[00:34:52] Verstappen

[00:34:53] going wheel

[00:34:53] to wheel

[00:34:53] I'm not

[00:34:54] talking of

[00:34:54] incidents

[00:34:55] I'm talking

[00:34:55] of when

[00:34:56] they do

[00:34:57] keep it

[00:34:57] between the

[00:34:58] white lines

[00:34:59] I think

[00:34:59] it's beautiful

[00:35:00] so what

[00:35:01] we actually

[00:35:02] tune in for

[00:35:03] when we tune

[00:35:04] in for Formula

[00:35:04] One is

[00:35:05] that level

[00:35:07] of racing

[00:35:08] okay we

[00:35:10] do not

[00:35:10] tune in

[00:35:11] for dangerous

[00:35:12] driving

[00:35:13] okay

[00:35:13] because you're

[00:35:14] right this is

[00:35:15] absolutely

[00:35:16] dangerous

[00:35:16] Lando Norris

[00:35:17] despite being

[00:35:18] friends with

[00:35:18] Max Verstappen

[00:35:19] actually called

[00:35:20] it out on

[00:35:21] the radio

[00:35:21] as well

[00:35:22] that it's

[00:35:24] dangerous

[00:35:24] driving

[00:35:25] so having

[00:35:27] said that I

[00:35:28] really hope

[00:35:28] that given how

[00:35:29] things are going

[00:35:29] we'd love to

[00:35:30] get to see a

[00:35:31] Leclerc versus

[00:35:32] Max because I

[00:35:33] think the one

[00:35:33] driver who

[00:35:33] Max really

[00:35:34] respects and

[00:35:36] is a little

[00:35:36] more wary of

[00:35:38] is Charles

[00:35:38] Leclerc given

[00:35:39] their history

[00:35:39] from carting

[00:35:40] the incident

[00:35:41] phase that

[00:35:42] we know of

[00:35:43] but yeah it

[00:35:44] just goes to

[00:35:45] show that

[00:35:46] you know Max

[00:35:46] is in that

[00:35:47] space where

[00:35:47] and you know

[00:35:48] we've seen

[00:35:48] two different

[00:35:49] kind of Maxes

[00:35:50] when it comes

[00:35:50] to battle

[00:35:51] if he has

[00:35:52] got a car

[00:35:53] which is

[00:35:54] almost there

[00:35:55] in or there

[00:35:55] about he

[00:35:56] really battles

[00:35:56] hard

[00:35:57] okay but

[00:35:59] if he's got

[00:35:59] a car which

[00:36:00] is genuinely

[00:36:01] got a pace

[00:36:02] deficit he's

[00:36:03] like by all

[00:36:03] means please

[00:36:04] drive by

[00:36:04] and you

[00:36:06] know post race

[00:36:07] he said I'm

[00:36:08] not worried

[00:36:08] about the

[00:36:08] penalties I'm

[00:36:09] actually more

[00:36:10] worried about

[00:36:10] the fact that

[00:36:11] we've not

[00:36:11] got a quick

[00:36:12] car so

[00:36:13] they're also

[00:36:14] trying to

[00:36:14] change the

[00:36:15] narrative when

[00:36:16] it comes to

[00:36:17] all the penalties

[00:36:17] and so on

[00:36:19] so it's just

[00:36:19] what it is and

[00:36:20] I don't think

[00:36:21] it's going to

[00:36:21] change unless

[00:36:22] those driving

[00:36:22] guidelines change

[00:36:23] yeah and

[00:36:26] Lando could

[00:36:27] have won this

[00:36:27] race at the

[00:36:28] end the gap

[00:36:28] between himself

[00:36:29] and Carlos

[00:36:29] Sainz was

[00:36:31] just four seconds

[00:36:32] but remember

[00:36:33] that Lando

[00:36:34] also had to

[00:36:34] get past a

[00:36:35] couple of

[00:36:35] cars for a

[00:36:37] very I mean

[00:36:38] he was stuck

[00:36:38] behind a couple

[00:36:39] of cars for a

[00:36:39] very long time

[00:36:40] and four seconds

[00:36:41] is an easy

[00:36:41] amount of time

[00:36:42] to gain

[00:36:43] in clean

[00:36:43] air and

[00:36:44] Lando reduced

[00:36:45] that deficit

[00:36:45] from I think

[00:36:46] eight and a

[00:36:47] half nine

[00:36:47] seconds to

[00:36:48] four seconds

[00:36:48] at the end

[00:36:49] so he was

[00:36:50] quick clearly

[00:36:51] there was

[00:36:51] space in that

[00:36:52] car

[00:36:52] yeah there

[00:36:53] was and I

[00:36:54] also get a

[00:36:55] feeling you

[00:36:56] know Carlos

[00:36:56] Sainz was

[00:36:57] holding on

[00:36:58] he was saving

[00:36:59] his tires

[00:37:00] he was saving

[00:37:01] for a pound

[00:37:02] if he needed

[00:37:02] to so he

[00:37:03] was in like

[00:37:04] I said he

[00:37:04] was unmatched

[00:37:05] so he was

[00:37:05] driving to

[00:37:05] the pace of

[00:37:06] his car and

[00:37:08] protecting it

[00:37:09] rather than

[00:37:09] driving to

[00:37:09] the pace of

[00:37:10] arrival as a

[00:37:11] response to

[00:37:12] something else

[00:37:13] but yeah

[00:37:13] that's just

[00:37:14] where it

[00:37:14] goes and

[00:37:15] you know

[00:37:15] four races

[00:37:16] to go

[00:37:17] only and

[00:37:18] I really

[00:37:20] wish Mercedes

[00:37:22] gets to

[00:37:22] the fight

[00:37:22] because they

[00:37:23] had some

[00:37:25] strange spins

[00:37:26] with both

[00:37:26] drivers

[00:37:28] George Russell

[00:37:29] was driving

[00:37:29] a car which

[00:37:30] was like 12

[00:37:31] races old in

[00:37:32] terms of

[00:37:32] spec

[00:37:32] Lewis Hamilton

[00:37:34] was like

[00:37:35] there's just

[00:37:35] no balance

[00:37:36] that comes

[00:37:36] in the car

[00:37:37] so it's

[00:37:38] just something

[00:37:39] that's off

[00:37:41] with Mercedes

[00:37:41] but I

[00:37:43] think before

[00:37:43] we speak

[00:37:44] we don't

[00:37:45] really have

[00:37:45] more to

[00:37:45] say about

[00:37:46] Mercedes

[00:37:46] but should

[00:37:47] we speak

[00:37:48] Haas

[00:37:49] is that

[00:37:49] where we're

[00:37:49] going or

[00:37:50] where you

[00:37:50] have something

[00:37:51] to say

[00:37:51] about

[00:37:52] Mercedes

[00:37:52] I do

[00:37:54] you mentioned

[00:37:55] about Esteban

[00:37:55] Ocon licking

[00:37:56] his lips

[00:37:57] about going

[00:37:57] to Haas

[00:37:58] think about

[00:37:59] Lewis Hamilton

[00:38:00] think about

[00:38:01] how good he

[00:38:02] must be feeling

[00:38:02] that this

[00:38:03] is the car

[00:38:04] he's jumping

[00:38:04] into

[00:38:05] and also

[00:38:06] to bring

[00:38:07] back

[00:38:08] battling

[00:38:08] that battle

[00:38:09] between him

[00:38:10] and George

[00:38:10] Russell

[00:38:11] that lasted

[00:38:11] for almost

[00:38:12] the entirety

[00:38:13] of the middle

[00:38:14] of the race

[00:38:14] that is what

[00:38:15] we're tuning

[00:38:16] in for

[00:38:16] that is good

[00:38:17] racing

[00:38:18] and fair play

[00:38:19] even though

[00:38:20] George is very

[00:38:20] aggressive

[00:38:21] even though

[00:38:21] Lewis will push

[00:38:22] it to the

[00:38:22] absolute limit

[00:38:23] they know

[00:38:24] where to respect

[00:38:25] the racing

[00:38:26] boundaries

[00:38:26] and they

[00:38:27] kept it clean

[00:38:28] and they

[00:38:28] kept it

[00:38:29] wonderful

[00:38:29] I was

[00:38:30] thoroughly

[00:38:30] entertained

[00:38:31] watching that

[00:38:32] and great

[00:38:33] to see

[00:38:33] Lewis also

[00:38:33] gaining

[00:38:34] confidence

[00:38:34] but

[00:38:35] Mercedes

[00:38:36] just reminds

[00:38:37] me of

[00:38:37] this very

[00:38:38] weird

[00:38:38] post I

[00:38:38] saw

[00:38:39] last night

[00:38:40] slash morning

[00:38:40] at 5 o'clock

[00:38:41] you know

[00:38:41] because the

[00:38:42] race ended

[00:38:42] so late

[00:38:43] obviously

[00:38:44] Instagram

[00:38:44] doom scrolling

[00:38:45] kicks in

[00:38:45] and I saw

[00:38:46] an interesting

[00:38:47] post canal

[00:38:47] which said

[00:38:47] hard times

[00:38:49] breed tough

[00:38:49] monkeys

[00:38:50] tough monkeys

[00:38:51] breed

[00:38:52] work times

[00:38:53] work times

[00:38:54] breeds

[00:38:54] prosperity

[00:38:55] prosperity

[00:38:55] breeds

[00:38:56] lazy monkeys

[00:38:57] lazy monkeys

[00:38:58] breed hard

[00:38:59] times

[00:38:59] which means

[00:39:00] the whole cycle

[00:39:00] carries on

[00:39:00] and Mercedes

[00:39:01] is in that

[00:39:01] cycle of

[00:39:02] the hard

[00:39:03] times

[00:39:03] and that's

[00:39:03] only going to

[00:39:04] breed tougher

[00:39:04] monkeys

[00:39:05] if you know

[00:39:05] what I mean

[00:39:06] and if you

[00:39:08] remember that

[00:39:08] question that

[00:39:10] Nicky Lauder

[00:39:11] actually very famously

[00:39:12] was a part of

[00:39:13] where he said

[00:39:13] that drivers

[00:39:14] need to be

[00:39:15] very trained

[00:39:16] and no monkey

[00:39:17] can ever get

[00:39:17] in the car

[00:39:18] and ever do it

[00:39:18] kind of makes

[00:39:19] sense right

[00:39:20] kind of makes

[00:39:21] sense

[00:39:21] I'm trying to

[00:39:22] make it

[00:39:22] make sense

[00:39:22] at least

[00:39:23] yeah

[00:39:25] on to

[00:39:26] I think we

[00:39:27] should probably

[00:39:27] go back to

[00:39:28] the hero

[00:39:29] of the race

[00:39:29] weekend

[00:39:29] there were

[00:39:30] two heroes

[00:39:31] first was

[00:39:31] Pat O'O'Ward

[00:39:33] who drove in

[00:39:33] FP1

[00:39:34] and then of

[00:39:35] course

[00:39:35] the fallen

[00:39:36] hero

[00:39:37] and

[00:39:39] yeah

[00:39:40] Red Bull

[00:39:40] must be

[00:39:42] wondering

[00:39:42] all four

[00:39:43] drivers

[00:39:43] that contracted

[00:39:45] to them

[00:39:45] had a bad

[00:39:46] race weekend

[00:39:47] so Noda

[00:39:47] exited the

[00:39:48] first corner

[00:39:48] itself

[00:39:49] Liam Lawson

[00:39:50] raced extremely

[00:39:52] hard

[00:39:52] that

[00:39:52] Helmut Marko

[00:39:53] who usually

[00:39:54] loves hard

[00:39:54] racing

[00:39:55] as we know

[00:39:55] had to say

[00:39:56] you were battling

[00:39:57] a sister team

[00:39:58] and maybe you

[00:39:59] didn't need to

[00:39:59] race that hard

[00:40:00] he sort of

[00:40:01] ruined a part

[00:40:01] of

[00:40:02] Checo Perez's

[00:40:03] race

[00:40:04] but

[00:40:04] is that a sign

[00:40:05] of respect

[00:40:06] from Helmut Marko

[00:40:07] like I doff your

[00:40:08] cap to

[00:40:09] for racing so

[00:40:10] good

[00:40:10] you're racing

[00:40:11] so well

[00:40:11] that you don't

[00:40:12] need to race

[00:40:13] so well

[00:40:13] I think

[00:40:13] he's earned

[00:40:14] his respect

[00:40:14] now

[00:40:15] I get why

[00:40:16] and you know

[00:40:17] Liam Lawson

[00:40:17] in this short

[00:40:18] span of time

[00:40:19] last race

[00:40:19] had a spat

[00:40:20] with Fernando

[00:40:21] Alonso

[00:40:21] this race

[00:40:22] a spat

[00:40:22] with

[00:40:24] you know

[00:40:24] with

[00:40:25] Checo Perez

[00:40:26] and Red Bull

[00:40:27] I remember

[00:40:28] there was

[00:40:28] another battle

[00:40:29] that Lando

[00:40:30] and Max

[00:40:31] were going

[00:40:31] on to

[00:40:32] and they

[00:40:32] just decided

[00:40:33] to pit

[00:40:33] Max

[00:40:33] because they

[00:40:34] realized

[00:40:34] we cannot

[00:40:35] risk more

[00:40:35] time penalties

[00:40:36] let's just

[00:40:37] bring Max

[00:40:38] in

[00:40:38] but

[00:40:39] Checo Perez

[00:40:40] I mean

[00:40:40] you know

[00:40:40] he had a

[00:40:41] great start

[00:40:42] just that

[00:40:42] he was out

[00:40:43] of his

[00:40:43] start box

[00:40:44] so yes

[00:40:44] he made

[00:40:45] an error

[00:40:45] of judgment

[00:40:46] sitting low

[00:40:47] missed his

[00:40:47] start box

[00:40:48] as he

[00:40:49] would

[00:40:50] but

[00:40:50] when he

[00:40:51] made the

[00:40:51] start

[00:40:52] he pulled

[00:40:52] off

[00:40:52] five overtakes

[00:40:53] on the course

[00:40:54] of that

[00:40:55] opening lap

[00:40:55] so

[00:40:55] it just

[00:40:56] goes to

[00:40:57] show

[00:40:57] he keeps

[00:40:57] insisting

[00:40:58] this is

[00:40:58] not his

[00:40:59] final

[00:41:00] Formula One

[00:41:01] race

[00:41:12] clause

[00:41:13] at exit

[00:41:14] that it

[00:41:14] will cost

[00:41:15] Red Bull

[00:41:15] a lot

[00:41:15] more money

[00:41:16] than all

[00:41:17] the face

[00:41:18] that they've

[00:41:19] lost with

[00:41:19] I mean

[00:41:20] can you

[00:41:20] imagine

[00:41:22] Ferrari

[00:41:22] has overtaken

[00:41:23] Red Bull

[00:41:23] for P2

[00:41:24] in the

[00:41:25] Constructors

[00:41:25] Championship

[00:41:26] and

[00:41:27] this is

[00:41:28] for a

[00:41:28] Red Bull

[00:41:29] who normally

[00:41:29] just like

[00:41:30] there we go

[00:41:30] we're getting

[00:41:31] rid of a

[00:41:31] driver

[00:41:32] they've done

[00:41:32] that with

[00:41:33] Daniel

[00:41:34] I wonder

[00:41:35] what those

[00:41:35] contract clauses

[00:41:36] are like

[00:41:37] for them

[00:41:37] to not

[00:41:38] be so

[00:41:39] trigger happy

[00:41:40] with

[00:41:40] Checo Perez

[00:41:41] yeah

[00:41:42] and this

[00:41:43] was that

[00:41:44] moment

[00:41:45] him rolling

[00:41:46] ahead of

[00:41:46] his pit

[00:41:46] box

[00:41:47] it

[00:41:47] seemed

[00:41:48] like the

[00:41:48] emotions

[00:41:49] were getting

[00:41:49] to him

[00:41:49] Kunal

[00:41:50] I know

[00:41:51] I might

[00:41:51] be sounding

[00:41:51] a bit

[00:41:52] critical

[00:41:53] but when

[00:41:54] Red Bull

[00:41:54] came on

[00:41:55] the radio

[00:41:55] to inform

[00:41:56] him of

[00:41:56] his false

[00:41:56] start

[00:41:57] his response

[00:41:58] was no

[00:41:59] it was a

[00:41:59] great start

[00:42:00] which

[00:42:01] sounds like

[00:42:02] a lot

[00:42:02] of emotion

[00:42:03] at play

[00:42:04] sounds

[00:42:05] not saying

[00:42:06] denial

[00:42:13] you've

[00:42:13] done

[00:42:14] something

[00:42:14] that you

[00:42:15] forget

[00:42:15] that you

[00:42:15] actually

[00:42:15] made a

[00:42:16] slip up

[00:42:16] and there

[00:42:17] is no

[00:42:17] acceptance

[00:42:18] of that

[00:42:19] slip up

[00:42:19] initially

[00:42:19] which all

[00:42:20] points

[00:42:20] towards

[00:42:21] why is

[00:42:22] there so

[00:42:22] much emotion

[00:42:23] why is

[00:42:23] there so

[00:42:23] much

[00:42:24] furor

[00:42:24] why is

[00:42:24] there so

[00:42:25] much

[00:42:25] aggression

[00:42:26] that he's

[00:42:26] able to get

[00:42:26] five positions

[00:42:27] in one lap

[00:42:28] which is

[00:42:28] incredible

[00:42:28] by the way

[00:42:29] it all

[00:42:29] points towards

[00:42:30] emotions

[00:42:30] flowing

[00:42:31] highly

[00:42:31] which all

[00:42:32] points

[00:42:32] towards

[00:42:32] a

[00:42:33] home race

[00:42:34] b

[00:42:34] last

[00:42:35] ever

[00:42:35] home

[00:42:35] race

[00:42:35] potentially

[00:42:36] that's

[00:42:36] what I

[00:42:36] reared

[00:42:37] towards

[00:42:37] as

[00:42:38] I may

[00:42:38] be

[00:42:38] wrong

[00:42:39] but

[00:42:40] so

[00:42:40] I'll

[00:42:41] be

[00:42:41] honest

[00:42:41] I think

[00:42:42] if I

[00:42:43] react

[00:42:43] non-emotionally

[00:42:44] to this

[00:42:45] start

[00:42:45] it was a

[00:42:46] great

[00:42:46] start

[00:42:47] yeah

[00:42:47] because

[00:42:48] it's

[00:42:49] another

[00:42:49] thing

[00:42:49] he's out

[00:42:50] of his

[00:42:50] great

[00:42:50] box

[00:42:50] he's not

[00:42:51] like

[00:42:51] you know

[00:42:52] he's probably

[00:42:52] 20-30

[00:42:53] centimeters

[00:42:53] out

[00:42:54] which of

[00:42:54] course

[00:42:54] is

[00:42:55] a big

[00:42:55] transgression

[00:42:56] any

[00:42:56] even

[00:42:56] one

[00:42:57] centimeter

[00:42:57] out

[00:42:58] you're

[00:42:58] out

[00:42:58] of

[00:42:58] transgression

[00:42:58] but

[00:42:59] that

[00:42:59] shouldn't

[00:43:00] take

[00:43:00] away

[00:43:01] from

[00:43:01] the

[00:43:01] fact

[00:43:01] that

[00:43:01] he

[00:43:02] pulled

[00:43:02] off

[00:43:02] those

[00:43:03] overtakes

[00:43:03] so

[00:43:03] it's

[00:43:03] not

[00:43:04] that

[00:43:04] he

[00:43:04] just

[00:43:04] drove

[00:43:04] past

[00:43:05] people

[00:43:05] because

[00:43:05] he

[00:43:06] started

[00:43:06] earlier

[00:43:07] he

[00:43:07] started

[00:43:07] correctly

[00:43:08] just

[00:43:08] out

[00:43:08] of

[00:43:08] position

[00:43:09] and

[00:43:10] he

[00:43:11] made

[00:43:11] the

[00:43:11] most

[00:43:11] of

[00:43:11] his

[00:43:12] experience

[00:43:13] his

[00:43:13] passion

[00:43:13] his

[00:43:14] local

[00:43:15] crowd

[00:43:15] cheering

[00:43:15] him

[00:43:15] to

[00:43:16] pull

[00:43:16] off

[00:43:16] those

[00:43:16] overtakes

[00:43:16] so

[00:43:17] of

[00:43:18] course

[00:43:31] his

[00:43:31] line

[00:43:32] should

[00:43:32] be

[00:43:32] as

[00:43:32] you

[00:43:33] can

[00:43:33] see

[00:43:33] Oscar

[00:43:34] Piazri

[00:43:34] as

[00:43:34] well

[00:43:34] at

[00:43:35] the

[00:43:35] line

[00:43:35] but

[00:43:36] Chekow

[00:43:36] was

[00:43:37] just

[00:43:37] way

[00:43:37] ahead

[00:43:37] but

[00:43:38] either

[00:43:38] way

[00:43:38] yeah

[00:43:39] and

[00:43:40] then

[00:43:40] Liam

[00:43:41] Lawson

[00:43:41] didn't

[00:43:41] spare him

[00:43:42] at

[00:43:43] all

[00:43:43] this

[00:43:44] was

[00:43:44] good

[00:43:45] to

[00:43:45] see

[00:43:46] I

[00:43:47] felt

[00:43:47] that

[00:43:47] battle

[00:43:48] was

[00:43:48] a

[00:43:48] little

[00:43:48] more

[00:43:48] personal

[00:43:49] given

[00:43:50] the

[00:43:50] circumstances

[00:43:51] given

[00:43:51] the

[00:43:51] fact

[00:43:51] that

[00:43:52] Liam

[00:43:52] could

[00:43:52] be

[00:43:52] replacing

[00:43:53] Sergio

[00:43:53] but

[00:43:54] a word

[00:43:55] on Liam

[00:43:56] Lawson

[00:43:56] very

[00:43:56] quickly

[00:43:57] he

[00:43:57] reminds

[00:43:57] me

[00:43:58] of a

[00:43:59] very

[00:44:01] very

[00:44:01] aggressive

[00:44:02] he's

[00:44:03] very

[00:44:03] on the

[00:44:04] limit

[00:44:04] I've

[00:44:04] not

[00:44:05] seen

[00:44:05] him

[00:44:05] push

[00:44:05] it

[00:44:06] beyond

[00:44:07] it

[00:44:07] yet

[00:44:08] maybe

[00:44:09] that

[00:44:09] battle

[00:44:09] with

[00:44:10] Franco

[00:44:10] Colapinto

[00:44:10] was

[00:44:11] slightly

[00:44:11] on

[00:44:12] the

[00:44:12] edge

[00:44:12] where

[00:44:13] both

[00:44:13] of

[00:44:13] them

[00:44:13] made

[00:44:14] contact

[00:44:14] and

[00:44:14] compromised

[00:44:15] both

[00:44:15] of their

[00:44:15] races

[00:44:16] marginally

[00:44:17] it's not

[00:44:17] like they

[00:44:18] were going

[00:44:18] to end

[00:44:18] up scoring

[00:44:19] points

[00:44:19] that clearly

[00:44:20] but

[00:44:22] there's a

[00:44:23] very Mark

[00:44:24] Weber

[00:44:24] sense to

[00:44:25] it

[00:44:25] very gritty

[00:44:26] in terms

[00:44:26] of his

[00:44:27] battling

[00:44:27] and I

[00:44:27] hadn't

[00:44:27] seen

[00:44:28] much

[00:44:28] of him

[00:44:28] I'll

[00:44:28] be

[00:44:28] honest

[00:44:29] but I

[00:44:29] like

[00:44:31] he's

[00:44:31] a

[00:44:32] yes

[00:44:34] I

[00:44:35] think

[00:44:35] Liam

[00:44:36] is

[00:44:36] also

[00:44:37] realizing

[00:44:38] that

[00:44:38] he

[00:44:38] needs

[00:44:38] to

[00:44:39] stake

[00:44:39] his

[00:44:40] claim

[00:44:40] in

[00:44:40] the

[00:44:40] sport

[00:44:41] etc

[00:44:42] and

[00:44:43] you

[00:44:44] know

[00:44:44] he

[00:44:45] I

[00:44:46] would

[00:44:46] say

[00:44:46] he

[00:44:46] drove

[00:44:47] fairly

[00:44:47] well

[00:44:48] to

[00:44:49] establish

[00:44:49] himself

[00:44:50] in

[00:44:50] Austin

[00:44:50] scored

[00:44:51] points

[00:44:51] out

[00:44:52] here

[00:44:52] as

[00:44:53] well

[00:44:53] the

[00:44:53] team

[00:44:53] has

[00:44:53] been

[00:44:53] very

[00:44:54] happy

[00:44:54] with

[00:44:54] him

[00:44:54] with

[00:44:55] what

[00:44:55] he

[00:44:55] was

[00:44:55] trying

[00:44:55] to

[00:44:55] do

[00:44:55] they

[00:44:56] tried

[00:44:56] to

[00:44:56] get

[00:44:56] the

[00:44:56] fastest

[00:44:57] lap

[00:44:57] from

[00:44:58] didn't

[00:44:59] he

[00:44:59] get

[00:44:59] the

[00:44:59] fastest

[00:44:59] lap

[00:45:00] of the

[00:45:00] race

[00:45:00] so

[00:45:01] they

[00:45:01] did

[00:45:01] what

[00:45:01] they

[00:45:01] did

[00:45:01] with

[00:45:02] Daniel

[00:45:02] in

[00:45:02] Singapore

[00:45:02] where

[00:45:03] Liam

[00:45:04] Lawson

[00:45:04] was

[00:45:05] made to

[00:45:05] pit

[00:45:05] to get

[00:45:06] the

[00:45:06] fastest

[00:45:07] lap

[00:45:07] I

[00:45:07] think

[00:45:07] even

[00:45:08] Leclerc

[00:45:08] went

[00:45:09] for it

[00:45:09] and

[00:45:09] Perez

[00:45:10] went

[00:45:10] for it

[00:45:10] and

[00:45:11] ultimately

[00:45:11] I

[00:45:12] can't

[00:45:12] remember

[00:45:12] who

[00:45:13] got

[00:45:13] the

[00:45:13] fastest

[00:45:13] lap

[00:45:14] of the

[00:45:14] race

[00:45:14] at the

[00:45:15] end

[00:45:15] that was

[00:45:15] a mini

[00:45:15] battle

[00:45:16] that

[00:45:16] they

[00:45:16] had

[00:45:18] Ferrari

[00:45:19] versus

[00:45:19] McLaren

[00:45:20] Ferrari

[00:45:20] versus

[00:45:20] Red Bull

[00:45:21] yeah

[00:45:22] at the

[00:45:27] Liam

[00:45:27] is

[00:45:27] showing

[00:45:28] great

[00:45:28] it

[00:45:29] doesn't

[00:45:29] seem

[00:45:29] like

[00:45:30] he's

[00:45:30] been

[00:45:30] out

[00:45:30] of

[00:45:30] Formula

[00:45:31] 1

[00:45:31] that's

[00:45:31] the

[00:45:31] beauty

[00:45:31] you know

[00:45:32] he's

[00:45:32] come in

[00:45:32] and he's

[00:45:33] driving

[00:45:34] like he's

[00:45:34] been

[00:45:34] driving

[00:45:34] the

[00:45:35] previous

[00:45:35] 18

[00:45:36] races

[00:45:36] not

[00:45:37] just

[00:45:37] the

[00:45:37] last

[00:45:37] two

[00:45:37] of

[00:45:38] them

[00:45:39] yeah

[00:45:40] yeah

[00:45:40] exactly

[00:45:42] okay

[00:45:42] what do

[00:45:43] we

[00:45:43] talk about

[00:45:44] next

[00:45:44] I think

[00:45:45] we need

[00:45:45] to talk

[00:45:46] about

[00:45:47] we should

[00:45:48] just

[00:45:48] hop and

[00:45:48] skip

[00:45:49] through

[00:45:49] a few

[00:45:49] points

[00:45:49] to show

[00:45:50] you the

[00:45:50] things

[00:45:50] that you

[00:45:51] might

[00:45:51] have

[00:45:51] missed

[00:45:51] throughout

[00:45:52] this race

[00:45:52] weekend

[00:45:53] there was

[00:45:54] a finger

[00:45:55] Kunal

[00:45:55] and

[00:45:56] yeah

[00:45:57] I've heard

[00:45:58] fingers are

[00:45:58] big in

[00:45:59] Mexico City

[00:45:59] because

[00:46:00] Sebastian Vettel

[00:46:01] once showed

[00:46:02] it here

[00:46:03] at this

[00:46:03] very place

[00:46:04] Liam Lawson

[00:46:05] has now

[00:46:05] joined that

[00:46:05] esteemed

[00:46:06] list

[00:46:07] Vettel

[00:46:07] showed his

[00:46:08] finger to

[00:46:08] Verstappen

[00:46:09] Lawson

[00:46:09] is showing

[00:46:10] his finger

[00:46:10] to Perez

[00:46:12] oh

[00:46:12] is that

[00:46:13] is the

[00:46:13] finger like

[00:46:14] a handing

[00:46:14] of the

[00:46:15] torch

[00:46:15] kind of

[00:46:15] thing

[00:46:15] with Red

[00:46:16] Bull

[00:46:16] now

[00:46:16] all four

[00:46:17] of them

[00:46:17] are

[00:46:18] Red

[00:46:18] Bull

[00:46:18] drivers

[00:46:19] if you

[00:46:19] know

[00:46:19] what I

[00:46:19] mean

[00:46:20] yeah

[00:46:21] I would

[00:46:22] say

[00:46:22] it's

[00:46:23] just

[00:46:24] no

[00:46:24] love

[00:46:24] lost

[00:46:24] as you

[00:46:25] put it

[00:46:25] in the

[00:46:26] previous

[00:46:26] slide

[00:46:26] because

[00:46:27] Liam

[00:46:28] knows

[00:46:29] these

[00:46:30] are

[00:46:30] those

[00:46:30] moments

[00:46:31] that

[00:46:31] could

[00:46:31] make

[00:46:31] or

[00:46:49] there

[00:46:50] was

[00:46:50] also

[00:46:50] a couple

[00:46:51] of

[00:46:51] really

[00:46:51] interesting

[00:46:51] moments

[00:46:52] yeah

[00:46:53] I think

[00:46:53] we should

[00:46:53] now

[00:46:54] now that

[00:46:54] Sundaram

[00:46:55] isn't

[00:46:55] here

[00:46:55] I think

[00:46:56] we can

[00:46:57] go to

[00:46:57] Fernando

[00:46:58] right

[00:46:58] because

[00:46:58] we didn't

[00:46:59] want to

[00:46:59] pay him

[00:46:59] as much

[00:47:01] while

[00:47:01] he was

[00:47:03] around

[00:47:03] because

[00:47:04] this is

[00:47:04] a slightly

[00:47:05] depressing

[00:47:05] image

[00:47:07] as I

[00:47:08] said

[00:47:08] earlier

[00:47:08] Kunal

[00:47:09] before we

[00:47:09] recorded

[00:47:09] I think

[00:47:10] it kind

[00:47:10] of

[00:47:11] sums up

[00:47:11] this

[00:47:11] stage

[00:47:12] of

[00:47:12] Fernando

[00:47:12] Alonso's

[00:47:13] career

[00:47:14] 400th

[00:47:14] Grand Prix

[00:47:14] an achievement

[00:47:15] that nobody

[00:47:16] has done

[00:47:17] in Formula

[00:47:17] 1

[00:47:18] how do

[00:47:19] we market

[00:47:19] with a

[00:47:21] retirement

[00:47:21] that sounds

[00:47:22] like a

[00:47:22] lot

[00:47:22] like

[00:47:23] Fernando

[00:47:24] Alonso

[00:47:24] post 2014

[00:47:25] if you

[00:47:25] ask me

[00:47:25] last 10

[00:47:26] years

[00:47:26] summed up

[00:47:27] in a way

[00:47:27] yeah and

[00:47:29] I think

[00:47:30] like

[00:47:31] Sundaram

[00:47:32] said

[00:47:32] I think

[00:47:32] it was

[00:47:33] 200th

[00:47:34] race

[00:47:34] was

[00:47:34] retirement

[00:47:34] 300th

[00:47:35] race

[00:47:35] retirement

[00:47:37] 400th

[00:47:37] race

[00:47:38] also

[00:47:38] retirement

[00:47:39] this

[00:47:40] retirement

[00:47:40] was down

[00:47:41] to

[00:47:41] something

[00:47:42] being

[00:47:42] stuck

[00:47:42] in the

[00:47:43] front

[00:47:44] cooling

[00:47:44] which is

[00:47:45] why they

[00:47:45] couldn't

[00:47:45] get rid

[00:47:46] of it

[00:47:46] and then

[00:47:46] they just

[00:47:47] decided

[00:47:47] to retire

[00:47:47] that car

[00:47:48] which

[00:47:48] is a

[00:47:49] bit of

[00:47:49] a bummer

[00:47:49] for a

[00:47:50] man who

[00:47:51] spent

[00:47:51] almost

[00:47:52] half his

[00:47:53] life

[00:47:54] racing

[00:47:55] in Formula

[00:47:56] 1

[00:47:56] I think

[00:47:57] that to

[00:47:57] me is

[00:47:58] the most

[00:47:58] incredible

[00:47:59] stat

[00:47:59] in fact

[00:48:00] he has

[00:48:01] raced

[00:48:02] against a

[00:48:02] driver who

[00:48:03] raced in

[00:48:03] the 80s

[00:48:04] that is

[00:48:05] Jean

[00:48:05] Lacy

[00:48:07] so

[00:48:07] that's

[00:48:08] the width

[00:48:09] 1989

[00:48:10] was

[00:48:11] Lacy's

[00:48:12] debut

[00:48:12] but in

[00:48:13] 2001

[00:48:14] Jean

[00:48:15] Lacy

[00:48:15] was

[00:48:16] racing

[00:48:16] when

[00:48:17] Fernando

[00:48:18] Alonso

[00:48:18] made his

[00:48:19] debut

[00:48:19] as well

[00:48:20] he's

[00:48:20] raced

[00:48:20] against

[00:48:20] 118

[00:48:21] drivers

[00:48:22] or

[00:48:22] something

[00:48:23] so

[00:48:24] Fernando

[00:48:24] is

[00:48:24] Fernando

[00:48:25] Alonso

[00:48:26] yeah

[00:48:26] I'd love

[00:48:27] to see

[00:48:27] what he

[00:48:28] can do

[00:48:28] with

[00:48:29] an

[00:48:29] Adrian

[00:48:29] Newey car

[00:48:30] that's

[00:48:31] insane

[00:48:33] much like

[00:48:34] I'd love

[00:48:34] to see

[00:48:35] what Ferrari

[00:48:35] and Leclerc

[00:48:36] can do

[00:48:36] in Brazil

[00:48:37] Leclerc

[00:48:37] would want

[00:48:37] to bounce

[00:48:38] back

[00:48:38] because

[00:48:38] Leclerc

[00:48:39] was pissed

[00:48:39] after the

[00:48:40] race

[00:48:41] several

[00:48:42] moments

[00:48:42] of how

[00:48:42] Carlos

[00:48:43] tried to

[00:48:44] go up

[00:48:44] and talk

[00:48:44] to him

[00:48:44] and then

[00:48:45] of course

[00:48:45] in that

[00:48:45] moment

[00:48:46] just after

[00:48:46] the race

[00:48:47] you don't

[00:48:47] really

[00:48:47] gauge

[00:48:48] it

[00:48:48] but

[00:48:49] Leclerc

[00:48:49] was pissed

[00:48:50] because

[00:48:50] he had

[00:48:50] no answer

[00:48:51] to Carlos

[00:48:53] Sain's

[00:48:53] race weekend

[00:48:54] and

[00:49:00] like I

[00:49:00] said

[00:49:01] at the

[00:49:01] start

[00:49:01] circuits

[00:49:02] car

[00:49:03] packages

[00:49:04] and even

[00:49:04] driver

[00:49:05] preferences

[00:49:05] when it

[00:49:06] comes to

[00:49:06] how they

[00:49:07] can go

[00:49:07] quicker

[00:49:07] or

[00:49:08] what I

[00:49:09] play

[00:49:09] in

[00:49:10] Mexico

[00:49:11] and I

[00:49:11] think

[00:49:12] it was

[00:49:12] a beautiful

[00:49:12] race

[00:49:13] and

[00:49:14] one

[00:49:14] at the

[00:49:15] end

[00:49:15] where we

[00:49:16] got to

[00:49:16] see

[00:49:16] a

[00:49:17] phenomenal

[00:49:17] image

[00:49:18] not this

[00:49:18] one

[00:49:19] this

[00:49:19] wasn't

[00:49:20] a

[00:49:20] phenomenal

[00:49:20] image

[00:49:20] these

[00:49:22] were

[00:49:22] those

[00:49:22] phenomenal

[00:49:23] images

[00:49:23] Carlos

[00:49:24] Sain's

[00:49:24] photobombing

[00:49:25] McLaren's

[00:49:26] party

[00:49:27] and then

[00:49:27] Zach

[00:49:27] Brown

[00:49:28] coming

[00:49:28] to

[00:49:28] photobomb

[00:49:29] the

[00:49:29] Ferrari

[00:49:29] party

[00:49:31] I

[00:49:31] like

[00:49:32] this

[00:49:32] I

[00:49:32] mean

[00:49:33] some

[00:49:33] people

[00:49:33] will

[00:49:34] scoff

[00:49:34] at this

[00:49:34] and say

[00:49:35] oh

[00:49:36] they're

[00:49:36] not

[00:49:36] competing

[00:49:36] hard

[00:49:37] enough

[00:49:37] this

[00:49:37] is

[00:49:38] not

[00:49:38] what

[00:49:38] Formula

[00:49:38] One

[00:49:38] is

[00:49:39] all

[00:49:39] about

[00:49:39] but

[00:49:40] you

[00:49:40] can

[00:49:41] have

[00:49:41] a bit

[00:49:41] of

[00:49:42] fun

[00:49:43] in the

[00:49:43] middle

[00:49:44] right

[00:49:44] and it's

[00:49:44] good to

[00:49:45] see them

[00:49:45] competing

[00:49:45] so hard

[00:49:46] taking

[00:49:46] each other

[00:49:47] to the

[00:49:47] absolute

[00:49:47] limit

[00:49:48] but then

[00:49:49] having

[00:49:49] fun

[00:49:49] as

[00:49:49] competitors

[00:49:49] I

[00:49:50] love

[00:49:51] this

[00:49:51] new

[00:49:51] wave

[00:49:51] of

[00:49:51] team

[00:49:52] principals

[00:49:52] Zach

[00:49:52] Brown

[00:49:53] Fred

[00:49:53] Vassir

[00:49:54] the way

[00:49:55] they just

[00:49:55] have fun

[00:49:55] with each

[00:49:55] other

[00:49:56] now

[00:49:56] this

[00:49:57] is

[00:49:57] lovely

[00:49:58] to see

[00:49:58] this

[00:49:58] is

[00:49:59] beautiful

[00:49:59] I

[00:50:00] mean

[00:50:00] Carlos

[00:50:00] thrived

[00:50:01] under

[00:50:02] Zach's

[00:50:03] leadership

[00:50:03] at McLaren

[00:50:04] before he

[00:50:04] joined

[00:50:04] Ferrari

[00:50:05] and then

[00:50:06] you know

[00:50:06] Carlos

[00:50:07] and Lando

[00:50:08] of course

[00:50:08] great

[00:50:09] friendship

[00:50:09] so

[00:50:09] Carlos

[00:50:10] went and

[00:50:10] paid back

[00:50:11] the favor

[00:50:11] with the

[00:50:12] Ford

[00:50:12] we love

[00:50:12] these

[00:50:13] moments

[00:50:13] as they

[00:50:14] come and

[00:50:14] go

[00:50:14] and

[00:50:14] the

[00:50:15] one

[00:50:15] moment

[00:50:16] from

[00:50:16] Mexico

[00:50:16] which

[00:50:17] you know

[00:50:17] we should

[00:50:17] just

[00:50:18] before we

[00:50:18] end

[00:50:18] I

[00:50:19] spoke

[00:50:19] about

[00:50:20] Pato

[00:50:20] award

[00:50:20] driving

[00:50:21] and

[00:50:22] he was

[00:50:23] just

[00:50:23] three

[00:50:23] tenths

[00:50:23] off

[00:50:23] Oscar

[00:50:24] Piastri

[00:50:25] which

[00:50:25] I

[00:50:25] think

[00:50:25] was

[00:50:25] fantastic

[00:50:26] performance

[00:50:26] but

[00:50:27] he

[00:50:28] actually

[00:50:28] you know

[00:50:29] one thing

[00:50:30] I hate

[00:50:30] about

[00:50:31] Formula E

[00:50:32] and IndyCar

[00:50:33] and every

[00:50:33] other series

[00:50:34] is that

[00:50:36] immediately

[00:50:37] just compare

[00:50:38] themselves to

[00:50:39] Formula One

[00:50:39] and Formula

[00:50:40] One teams

[00:50:40] and drivers

[00:50:41] okay

[00:50:42] Pato

[00:50:42] award

[00:50:42] said

[00:50:42] oh

[00:50:42] if you

[00:50:43] put a

[00:50:43] Formula One

[00:50:43] driver

[00:50:44] in IndyCar

[00:50:45] they'll be

[00:50:45] one and a

[00:50:46] half seconds

[00:50:46] off the

[00:50:46] pace

[00:50:47] not three

[00:50:47] tenths

[00:50:47] off

[00:50:47] and I

[00:50:48] just

[00:50:48] realized

[00:50:48] that

[00:50:48] dude

[00:50:49] you're

[00:50:49] getting

[00:50:50] a

[00:50:50] chance

[00:50:50] in

[00:50:50] Formula

[00:50:50] One

[00:50:51] which

[00:50:51] is

[00:50:52] a

[00:50:52] big

[00:50:52] deal

[00:50:52] yeah

[00:50:53] okay

[00:50:54] but

[00:50:55] is there

[00:50:56] a Formula

[00:50:56] One

[00:50:56] driver

[00:50:57] actually

[00:50:57] waiting

[00:50:57] for a

[00:50:58] chance

[00:50:58] in IndyCar

[00:50:59] no

[00:50:59] absolutely

[00:51:01] okay

[00:51:01] so why

[00:51:02] get into

[00:51:03] this

[00:51:04] we are

[00:51:04] better than

[00:51:05] you

[00:51:05] just

[00:51:05] that

[00:51:05] I

[00:51:06] mean

[00:51:06] if

[00:51:06] you're

[00:51:06] better

[00:51:06] than

[00:51:06] us

[00:51:08] put it

[00:51:08] that

[00:51:08] way

[00:51:09] considering

[00:51:09] we

[00:51:09] you and

[00:51:10] I

[00:51:13] is this

[00:51:14] the best

[00:51:14] way

[00:51:14] IndyCar

[00:51:15] does

[00:51:15] have

[00:51:15] better

[00:51:16] racing

[00:51:16] MotoGP

[00:51:17] does

[00:51:17] have

[00:51:17] better

[00:51:18] racing

[00:51:18] but

[00:51:19] is

[00:51:19] the

[00:51:19] product

[00:51:19] overall

[00:51:20] the

[00:51:20] best

[00:51:20] no

[00:51:21] absolutely

[00:51:21] not

[00:51:22] okay

[00:51:23] Formula

[00:51:23] One

[00:51:23] has

[00:51:23] embraced

[00:51:24] different

[00:51:25] facets

[00:51:25] of

[00:51:25] motorsport

[00:51:26] made

[00:51:26] it

[00:51:26] more

[00:51:26] mainstream

[00:51:28] and

[00:51:28] I

[00:51:28] just

[00:51:29] wish

[00:51:29] that

[00:51:29] teams

[00:51:30] drivers

[00:51:30] whoever

[00:51:31] is

[00:51:31] competing

[00:51:31] in

[00:51:31] IndyCar

[00:51:32] please

[00:51:32] absolutely

[00:51:33] enjoy

[00:51:33] yourselves

[00:51:34] entertain

[00:51:34] all of

[00:51:35] us

[00:51:35] we

[00:51:36] keep

[00:51:37] cheering

[00:51:37] you

[00:51:38] guys

[00:51:38] but

[00:51:38] don't

[00:51:39] just

[00:51:39] always

[00:51:39] the

[00:51:40] first

[00:51:40] thing

[00:51:40] you

[00:51:40] can

[00:51:40] do

[00:51:40] is

[00:51:41] make

[00:51:41] a

[00:51:41] comparison

[00:51:41] to

[00:51:42] try

[00:51:42] and

[00:51:42] put

[00:51:42] Formula

[00:51:42] One

[00:51:42] down

[00:51:43] because

[00:51:44] that

[00:51:44] just

[00:51:44] shows

[00:51:45] that

[00:51:45] you

[00:51:45] have

[00:51:45] a

[00:51:45] long

[00:51:46] way

[00:51:46] to

[00:51:46] go

[00:51:46] if

[00:51:46] the

[00:51:47] only

[00:51:47] way

[00:51:47] to

[00:51:48] grow

[00:51:49] up

[00:51:49] in

[00:51:49] the

[00:51:49] ranks

[00:51:49] of

[00:51:50] motorsport

[00:51:50] is

[00:52:10] when

[00:52:11] you

[00:52:12] same

[00:52:15] it

[00:52:19] is

[00:52:20] the

[00:52:27] Seis

[00:52:28] the

[00:52:28] car

[00:52:28] on

[00:52:29] the

[00:52:29] final

[00:52:29] corner

[00:52:29] that

[00:52:30] tells

[00:52:30] you

[00:52:30] how

[00:52:31] good

[00:52:31] he

[00:52:31] is

[00:52:33] nobody

[00:52:33] else

[00:52:33] I

[00:52:34] mean

[00:52:34] it

[00:52:34] takes

[00:52:34] a

[00:52:34] lot

[00:52:35] to

[00:52:35] save

[00:52:35] a

[00:52:35] car

[00:52:36] from

[00:52:36] a

[00:52:36] snap

[00:52:36] like

[00:52:36] that

[00:52:36] at

[00:52:37] the

[00:52:37] final

[00:52:37] corner

[00:52:37] when

[00:52:38] you

[00:52:38] are

[00:52:38] going

[00:52:38] full

[00:52:38] throttle

[00:52:38] that

[00:52:39] is

[00:52:39] how

[00:52:39] good

[00:52:40] of a driver Leclerc is.

[00:52:41] And that's how good

[00:52:42] the Formula 1 drivers are.

[00:52:43] But we'll get to see them in action

[00:52:44] in Brazil next time out.

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