Escape from the Rat Race to an Adventure of Meaning & Purpose- Ft Veeranarayan Kulkarni
Stronger Men ProjectFebruary 12, 202401:11:44

Escape from the Rat Race to an Adventure of Meaning & Purpose- Ft Veeranarayan Kulkarni

This is the first episode of the School Of Men interview show on the Stronger Men Project Podcast featuring Veeranarayan Kulkarni aka Veer Veer is the founder of the Holistic Health Society, where he helps holistic health practitioners- Yoga teachers, Ayurvedic & Homeopathic Doctors,Naturopaths, Healers, Therapists, Psychologists and Nutritionists to build their online presence, impact and grow their income In this episode, Veer takes us through his crazy ride from working in a corporate job to his work in promoting holistic health, struggles of entrepreneurship and his pursuit of meaning and purpose You can get in touch with Veer on Facebook or email him at veer@veerkulkarni.com

This is the first episode of the School Of Men interview show on the Stronger Men Project Podcast featuring Veeranarayan Kulkarni aka Veer

Veer is the founder of the Holistic Health Society, where he helps holistic health practitioners- Yoga teachers, Ayurvedic & Homeopathic Doctors,Naturopaths, Healers, Therapists, Psychologists and Nutritionists to build their online presence, impact and grow their income

In this episode, Veer takes us through his crazy ride from working in a corporate job to his work in promoting holistic health, struggles of entrepreneurship and his pursuit of meaning and purpose

You can get in touch with Veer on Facebook or email him at veer@veerkulkarni.com 



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Speaker 1: Namaskar. And welcome to the Stronger Men project. This is




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Speaker 1: a very, very exciting day, because this is episode number




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Speaker 1: one of the School of Men segment of the podcast.




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Speaker 1: This is an interview segment where I plan to bring




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Speaker 1: on experts and, uh, achievers and inspiring people who have




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Speaker 1: inspiring stories to share. And then, um, as a number




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Speaker 1: one student of the school,




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Speaker 1: uh, I will, uh, grill them on your behalf and




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Speaker 1: try to extract as many lessons as possible. Uh, get




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Speaker 1: to know about their stories and experiences and, uh,




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Speaker 1: uh, draw inspiration from their stories, which will help us to, um,




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Speaker 1: get different perspective of life, get to know about, uh,




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Speaker 1: different areas of life and also use those and apply




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Speaker 1: in our life and do better in life. And today




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Speaker 1: we are joined by a hell of a crazy man




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Speaker 1: in his own right. We'll get to know why. I'm




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Speaker 1: why I'm saying this in a short while. Uh, he's




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Speaker 1: a friend of mine, and, uh, he's been a close




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Speaker 1: adviser to me for a few months now.




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Speaker 1: Let's welcome, uh, Mr Varian Kulkarni to the show and, uh,




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Speaker 1: get to know about him. Vir, Thank you so much




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Speaker 1: for joining today. Why don't




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Speaker 2: you? Thank you. Thank you. I'm so excited. I just




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Speaker 2: can't wait. I didn't even allow you to complete your sentence.




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Speaker 2: I'm so excited.




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Speaker 1: You have. You are always a high energy person.




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Speaker 1: So why don't you introduce, uh, yourself and, um, let




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Speaker 1: us know. Let our listeners know what you do and




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Speaker 1: a brief background about yourself.




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Speaker 2: Hi. Thanks for this opportunity. A, uh uh. My name




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Speaker 2: is Virna R Kulkarni. I'm a resident of the Harvard




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Speaker 2: for the last 10 years. I'm an engineer and an




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Speaker 2: MB a by qualification. I've also completed my masters of




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Speaker 2: science in yoga.




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Speaker 2: And, uh, currently, I'm the founder and CEO of Holistic




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Speaker 2: Health Society, where we help holistic health coaches like yoga teachers,




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Speaker 2: either whether doctors, dietitians, I help them go online, and




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Speaker 2: I help them increase their impact. I help them double




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Speaker 2: their income. So this is what I do right now.




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Speaker 2: And also, uh um it's been great associated with you




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Speaker 2: other where I am coming to your gym every day and, uh,




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Speaker 2: bulging my muscles. Now




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Speaker 2: just a little




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Speaker 1: bit. Yeah, it's a It's an honour to it's an




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Speaker 1: honour to be associated with, uh, with you. And, um,




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Speaker 1: you bring a lot of energy to the to to




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Speaker 1: the table. And, um, thank you for being a close




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Speaker 1: adviser to me And, uh, whatever value you have already




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Speaker 1: added to my life. And, um,




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Speaker 1: yeah, I mean, um, le let us know a little




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Speaker 1: more about, um, what do you do specifically as, uh,




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Speaker 1: you know, in your holistic health society.




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Speaker 2: OK,




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Speaker 2: it was a year 2018. I was doing my masters




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Speaker 2: of science yoga, and I was also running a




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Speaker 2: millet's restaurant in Hubli. And, uh, I was also having




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Speaker 2: an organic shop, so I would start from the Harvard




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Speaker 2: at around five o'clock in the morning, go to take




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Speaker 2: two yoga classes, then go to my restaurant, make sure




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Speaker 2: that everything is prepped up breakfast. Um, ingredients are all there.




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Speaker 2: Then go to my organic shop, make sure everything is there,




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Speaker 2: and then come back home to the Harvard late night,




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Speaker 2: and then I would not see my daughters. Um, they




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Speaker 2: would be sleeping by that time,




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Speaker 2: but still, after this 1415 hours of hard work, I




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Speaker 2: was not able to make money. I was not able




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Speaker 2: to come out of the debt. So that is when




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Speaker 2: I was thinking that even the holistic health and, uh




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Speaker 2: is good. We have to profess this, but many people




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Speaker 2: like me yoga teachers, dieticians were not able to make




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Speaker 2: their ends meet.




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Speaker 2: So that is when I thought that let me help




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Speaker 2: such people to become better holistic health coaches by going




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Speaker 2: online and




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Speaker 2: get their true potential come to light in this world.




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Speaker 2: And that's what holistic health society is all about. So




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Speaker 2: we work at three levels. One is at the mindset level.




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Speaker 2: We help them change that. Just working offline may not




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Speaker 2: help you. You have to come offline, plus online model.




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Speaker 2: Other mindset issues like I'm not good at technology. I'm




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Speaker 2: not good at speaking. We help remove those mindset challenges.




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Speaker 2: Second is, uh we help them giving those technology skills.




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Speaker 2: And third thing is, we handhold them so that they




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Speaker 2: start becoming confident in front of the camera. And, uh,




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Speaker 2: these are the three things that we are working with.




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Speaker 2: Holistic health, society,




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Speaker 1: other.




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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. Weird because, um




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Speaker 1: uh, I also struggle with this as a gym owner




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Speaker 1: and someone who is trying to bring about difference in




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Speaker 1: other people's life. And, uh, what I what? I, um um,




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Speaker 1: think I miss is, uh, not having those business skills.




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Speaker 1: Even though my intention is right, intention is to help




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Speaker 1: people and teach them how to lead a fitness lifestyle




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Speaker 1: and teach them the proper way to exercise. And, uh,




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Speaker 1: you know, follow follow a scientific method.




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Speaker 1: And, uh, yeah, I can connect with that. Really? Um,




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Speaker 1: because I have been through a lot of ups and




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Speaker 1: downs in my own business, especially after covid. It has




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Speaker 1: been very, very difficult.




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Speaker 1: And I can understand it can happen with, uh, all




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Speaker 1: other people who are working in the holistic health. Uh uh, realm.




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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you brought this topic. You said you




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Speaker 1: were running a millet shop and a millet restaurant and




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Speaker 1: seems like you had a good intention to, you know,




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Speaker 1: bring something healthy to people. Uh, can you just share me?




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Speaker 1: What was your experience running your, uh, business. And, uh,




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Speaker 1: what made you to, uh, shut down the business?




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Speaker 2: OK. A, um that's been a great journey with a




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Speaker 2: lot of learnings. Um, it was around 2000, uh, 14




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Speaker 2: that I came back from Singapore, where I was working




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Speaker 2: with American Insurance Group in the field of, uh, project management.




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Speaker 2: And when I came back to the word, I wanted




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Speaker 2: to do something which is meaningful. And one of the, uh,




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Speaker 2: first few jobs that I did in the word was




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Speaker 2: I was CEO of, uh, yoga and Naturopathy Hospital




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Speaker 2: in this hospital. I started seeing that many people who




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Speaker 2: came in with a lot of problems with back pain




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Speaker 2: or headache




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Speaker 2: with naturopathy and yoga. By the time they left after




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Speaker 2: 10 days, they were totally different changed person,




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Speaker 2: and I was wondering if it's so easy for people




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Speaker 2: to get,




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Speaker 2: Uh mm. They resolved the the problems resolved. Why are




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Speaker 2: not people doing this? Then I realised that it is




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Speaker 2: not just about coming here for 10 days, getting your




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Speaker 2: treatment and then going back.




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Speaker 2: The most important thing is abiding by it after you leave.




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Speaker 2: So that was important. And many people said that, OK,




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Speaker 2: had we known that if there is a place where




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Speaker 2: we can go and buy such grains, or if, um,




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Speaker 2: so that's the first thing that people started telling me.




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Speaker 2: So that's when I started Millet Monk in Hubli. Where,




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Speaker 2: um we started selling millets. In fact, before starting Millet




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Speaker 2: Monk in Hubli, I started Millet Monk in my car.




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Speaker 2: I had a green central car. I would load all




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Speaker 2: the mills in the decade and make sure that I




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Speaker 2: I went by whatever orders came to me by phone,




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Speaker 2: I would go to their home and deliver and ask




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Speaker 2: them How did your last minute meal What? How was it?




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Speaker 2: What




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Speaker 2: is it like? Did it taste well, uh, what is




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Speaker 2: the feedback that you would want to give me? So




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Speaker 2: this is how I would do. And then people would




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Speaker 2: say that, OK, if there was a place where we




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Speaker 2: could just go and eat millets. So that's when that's




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Speaker 2: when the thought of Spring of Health a healthy millets restaurant,




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Speaker 2: came in. So we started in a small three bedroom




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Speaker 2: house in Holi. And then within a year, we expanded




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Speaker 2: the opposite KSH hospital, uh, with more than 2000 square




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Speaker 2: feet area.




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Speaker 2: And, uh uh So when I started, uh, doing Millet




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Speaker 2: Monk and Springfield, which is organic shop as well as




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Speaker 2: a restaurant. Both were going very well, hand in hand.




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Speaker 2: And I was taking yoga classes in the morning as well.




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Speaker 2: So there was yoga, there was food and there were grocery.




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Speaker 2: So all the three were ticked off and anything that




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Speaker 2: is good people take time to adopt.




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Speaker 2: And, uh, there was a lot of effort in marketing




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Speaker 2: and letting people know what is millets and how this




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Speaker 2: has to be done. So I'm talking this about 2015 1617,




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Speaker 2: where millets was still not in vogue. And that was




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Speaker 2: just picking up at that time? Yes, yes. People were




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Speaker 2: realising the benefits of it,




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Speaker 2: and at that point in time, it was going very well. And, uh,




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Speaker 2: we were almost there breaking even. We were just, uh,




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Speaker 2: not going into losses. That was the time, the dreaded day,




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Speaker 2: March 14th, 2020. Covid stuck us, and




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Speaker 2: I was thinking that this will go for a long time.




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Speaker 2: The best part is I sent all my employees and




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Speaker 2: then said that we will come back after 23 days




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Speaker 2: if at all things better, then, uh, as you saw.




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Speaker 2: Covid went on and on and, uh, I thought it




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Speaker 2: was a good time to shut the shop because I




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Speaker 2: was paying rent. And so that's how the business got closed.




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Speaker 2: But the best part, what I felt was, um, Shanta,




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Speaker 2: an handicapped employee in my millet monk shop.




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Speaker 2: She approached me saying that Anna, can you sell the




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Speaker 2: shop to me and with the brand name? And that




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Speaker 2: was a time when I I was so happy that




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Speaker 2: she was now the owner of that shop. So that's been, uh,




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Speaker 2: the journey of, uh, Millet Monk and spring of Health.




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Speaker 1: That's quite, uh, quite a quite an interesting journey that, uh,




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Speaker 1: you sold your, uh, business to your employee. Uh, is




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Speaker 1: it still running




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Speaker 1: the current condition of the business?




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Speaker 2: Yeah. Shanta was a handicapped lady who needs support. Uh,




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Speaker 2: she drags herself on the ground, or she walks by




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Speaker 2: kneeling down, and she is now the owner, and she's




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Speaker 2: been running it successfully for the last 2.5. 3 years now, and, um,




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Speaker 2: it's progressing very well. I'm so happy about it. It's




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Speaker 2: still opposite the hospital in Hubli.




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Speaker 1: Oh, that's really I did not really know about this.




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Speaker 1: That's really awesome that it's still there. I thought you




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Speaker 1: completely closed it and, uh, sold it off to someone else. And, uh,




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Speaker 1: the brand got changed, and someone else is running a




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Speaker 1: a regular restaurant in that place. That is what I thought. But, uh,




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Speaker 1: this is new to me, and, uh, it's good to




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Speaker 1: know that it's still running.




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Speaker 1: And, uh, the common theme. What I hear is a




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Speaker 1: lot of people got affected by covid. And I was




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Speaker 1: also one of those people. The which, you know, which




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Speaker 1: prompted me to go online and start building online business




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Speaker 1: for myself. And, uh,




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Speaker 1: um seems like, uh, we have a lot of common




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Speaker 1: la is, uh, you know, common things. Uh uh, then




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Speaker 1: which I already know that, um, you are working, uh,




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Speaker 1: in a corporate world, you have quite a bit of




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Speaker 1: experience in different. Uh, you know, you have worked in




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Speaker 1: different countries.




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Speaker 1: Uh,




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Speaker 1: I think our listeners will be interested to know what




00:11:21

Speaker 1: prompted you to quit your job. You said you were, uh,




00:11:24

Speaker 1: living in Singapore when you left. Left your job. Uh,




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Speaker 1: what were the things that led to you? Quitting the




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Speaker 1: job and, uh taking such a huge, uh, you know,




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Speaker 1: decision and risk. Because the word is, uh




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Speaker 1: it's a very small city, and, um, it's called as




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Speaker 1: a sleeping city or city of retired people. This is




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Speaker 1: this is not a place for entrepreneurs, at least with




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Speaker 1: the five years of my own experience. I can tell that,




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Speaker 1: and you should be a crazy person to do that.




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Speaker 1: I am interested to know really what happened and what




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Speaker 1: led you to quit your job and come back to




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Speaker 1: the world.




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Speaker 2: Very interesting question. So I worked with Wipro for close




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Speaker 2: to a decade, and then I worked with, um a




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Speaker 2: IG in Singapore, worked in around 10 countries. Uh, while




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Speaker 2: we were sitting with me and my wife in 2012,




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Speaker 2: we were just thinking, Why were we in Singapore? We




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Speaker 2: were in Singapore because I had purchased two homes in




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Speaker 2: Bangalore and, uh, we were paying the EMIS.




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Speaker 2: And so the question came, Once the EMIS are done,




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Speaker 2: what should be our next step? The next logical step




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Speaker 2: was that my next project would have been in US




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Speaker 2: and then, um, another three years getting locked in there.




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Speaker 2: So should we work for the third house of the




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Speaker 2: second car. So these are the kind of discussions that




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Speaker 2: me and my wife are doing. So that's when I




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Speaker 2: realised that it's not all about, uh, as accumulating assets.




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Speaker 2: It's also about mean living a meaningful life.




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Speaker 2: So I was in Bangalore for 20 years.




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Speaker 2: Uh, I studied in Bangalore in UVC my engineering, but




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Speaker 2: I thought that that cannot be my karma boomi my karma.




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Speaker 2: BMI has to be a place where I can contribute




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Speaker 2: to people's lives. So that's when we started looking at.




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Speaker 2: So there were two cities that were there in the shortlist.




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Speaker 2: One was Mysore and second was Darva. And, uh, as, uh,




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Speaker 2: my roots are from Kade. I decided to come and




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Speaker 2: settle in Dhar




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Speaker 2: And, uh, just not to get tempted, I made sure that, uh,




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Speaker 2: I shifted all my luggage from Singapore directly to Darva.




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Speaker 2: Had it gone to Bangalore, probably it would have tempted




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Speaker 2: me And, uh So I came to Darva here and




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Speaker 2: then looked for a place and settled down here, so




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Speaker 2: that's how it all worked. Now, if you look at, um,




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Speaker 2: the primary reason for moving from a corporate world to




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Speaker 2: a place where




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Speaker 2: could give back to society was the sense of meaning




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Speaker 2: of life. I was searching for it. Uh, otherwise, it




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Speaker 2: is a rat race in the corporate world. I just




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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that I come out of that orbit.




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Speaker 2: And as you know, when when, um, the planets move




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Speaker 2: around in an orbit, it's very difficult to come out




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Speaker 2: of the orbit. There has to be an escape velocity.




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Speaker 2: I thought, uh,




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Speaker 2: going from Singapore to US was a nice, logical step.




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Speaker 2: And by that time, both the home EMIS were done.




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Speaker 2: I was debt free. And, um, I did a back




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Speaker 2: of envelope calculation. Um uh, other. So then that time




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Speaker 2: it was coming to around 22 was my monthly requirement




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Speaker 2: for me to sustain life. So the the employer with




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Speaker 2: whom I went is that I will work with you




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Speaker 2: for three days in a week,




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Speaker 2: So give me ₹25. Those three days I work for




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Speaker 2: you and the rest three days. I will think, What




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Speaker 2: should I do next? So that's how it all transitioned




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Speaker 2: from being corporate to being in Harvard. and Harvard as




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Speaker 2: such as a cool, calm, uh, place, even though it




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Speaker 2: has got laid back attitude. Um, it it may not




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Speaker 2: be the best to, uh, do your entrepreneurship, but I




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Speaker 2: feel the the view with which I came was to




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Speaker 2: amalgamate both, uh, taking care of my social responsibility as




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Speaker 2: well as spending good time with my family. I think




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Speaker 2: that is the best place. If anybody of you are




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Speaker 2: looking for a place to settle down, then Dar is




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Speaker 2: the best place.




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Speaker 1: Definitely. I can watch for it. Uh, that is what




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Speaker 1: I feel about Harvard. Uh, even though on a physical, um,




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Speaker 1: in the physical realm of, uh, doing business and entrepreneurship,




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Speaker 1: it is quite hard here because the population is small and, uh,




00:15:34

Speaker 1: it's always ever moving out population. Like a lot of




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Speaker 1: young people, they finish their college and, uh, get out




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Speaker 1: of here, go to Bangalore or Pune or Chennai, um,




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Speaker 1: to in, you know, in search of jobs.




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Speaker 1: Um, but I love Dhar. I have been brought up




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Speaker 1: in Dharma, and, uh, that is the reason I came back.




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Speaker 1: I didn't want to come back. Uh, you know, I




00:15:57

Speaker 1: was working in Germany. In automobile sector, I really did




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Speaker 1: not want to go back to Bangalore or Pune or




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Speaker 1: Chennai because those are the automotive hubs in India. And




00:16:06

Speaker 1: that is where I could find job if I came




00:16:08

Speaker 1: back with a job. And, uh, like you said something interesting.




00:16:13

Speaker 1: You know, um, you were looking for some purpose in life,




00:16:19

Speaker 1: right? And why do you think you are looking for




00:16:23

Speaker 1: a purpose? Because you were, uh, you know, very successful.




00:16:26

Speaker 1: You also said that, uh, you had made property, you




00:16:28

Speaker 1: had two houses, and, uh, you had a very good job.




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Speaker 1: And also,




00:16:34

Speaker 1: um, I'm assuming a very, very good future. If you




00:16:37

Speaker 1: had continued there, it was safe, job safe, uh, route




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Speaker 1: to take.




00:16:42

Speaker 1: And, uh, your life was almost settled. Then what was




00:16:46

Speaker 1: the strong reason like, um, for, you know, taking this decision.




00:16:50

Speaker 1: There has to be something which prompted you to take




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Speaker 1: this decision.




00:16:54

Speaker 2: Uh, that's a good question. So other, um, if you




00:16:57

Speaker 2: look at, uh, my journey and your journey is almost




00:16:59

Speaker 2: the same, you came back and then you started doing




00:17:01

Speaker 2: something which you have not done in your life. Opening




00:17:04

Speaker 2: up a gym, helping people become stronger. And in my case, uh,




00:17:09

Speaker 2: it was to come back, and I was not knowing




00:17:11

Speaker 2: what I will do after coming back. I was totally blank,




00:17:14

Speaker 2: but I thought that let me come here. Uh, let




00:17:16

Speaker 2: me let me start swimming when I when I have




00:17:19

Speaker 2: to swim. So that was with with that intention, I




00:17:22

Speaker 2: came in here.




00:17:24

Speaker 2: Now, uh, Maslow's hierarchy, uh, talks about roti kraak Klan




00:17:28

Speaker 2: as the basic needs that one needs. After that, you




00:17:32

Speaker 2: don't need so many clothes. You don't need so much




00:17:34

Speaker 2: of food to eat. Uh, in fact, you you need




00:17:37

Speaker 2: lesser and lesser calories as you grow up, and, uh, entertainment. Uh,




00:17:42

Speaker 2: the mall culture. The I was not a mall person.




00:17:45

Speaker 2: I was more of going to nature going in the wild, uh,




00:17:48

Speaker 2: doing cycling, So I was that kind of a person.




00:17:51

Speaker 2: So, uh, what motivated me was to look for a




00:17:55

Speaker 2: place which will support all these and also, uh, as




00:17:59

Speaker 2: we move from the bottom layers of, uh, Maslow's hierarchy




00:18:03

Speaker 2: to higher layers is that we want to feel liked




00:18:07

Speaker 2: by people. We want to feel that our life is meaningful.




00:18:11

Speaker 2: So I thought these are possible in smaller cities because




00:18:15

Speaker 2: in bigger cities you find people who are self sustained




00:18:18

Speaker 2: they can mend their, um needs. They can find out




00:18:21

Speaker 2: and then take care of their needs. But in smaller




00:18:24

Speaker 2: cities is where you feel people need guidance. They need support,




00:18:27

Speaker 2: they need hand holding. And, uh, this is where I




00:18:31

Speaker 2: that the transition happened from corporate world to being here




00:18:34

Speaker 2: in a small town.




00:18:36

Speaker 2: Yeah.




00:18:37

Speaker 1: So you knew that, um,




00:18:40

Speaker 1: you are You are looking for meaning in life, but




00:18:42

Speaker 1: you did not exactly know what to do,




00:18:45

Speaker 1: right? I mean, you just wanted to take a break and, uh,




00:18:48

Speaker 1: then figure out what to do, right? That's a really,




00:18:51

Speaker 1: really courageous step. I would have not done it if




00:18:54

Speaker 1: I was in your place, because, um,




00:18:57

Speaker 2: wait. And in fact, at this point, I want to talk. Um,




00:18:59

Speaker 2: thank my cousin Girish Nag. Noor. So Girish, I asked




00:19:03

Speaker 2: this question to Girish. Uh, when I was on a




00:19:05

Speaker 2: call from Singapore, my wife was also on the speakerphone.




00:19:08

Speaker 2: I asked Girish In fact, Girish, uh was also an




00:19:11

Speaker 2: IT guy who had come and settled in Hubli, and




00:19:13

Speaker 2: he was doing well. He was working with NGO.




00:19:16

Speaker 2: And, uh so he's like a mentor to me. And




00:19:18

Speaker 2: I told Girish, uh, and, uh, what if I come




00:19:21

Speaker 2: to dwa and I don't know what to do, what




00:19:24

Speaker 2: will happen next? So Girish gave one very, very strong example. Uh,




00:19:29

Speaker 2: he said that you are going in a flight and, uh,




00:19:32

Speaker 2: just imagine that you have a parachute




00:19:35

Speaker 2: and, uh, when will you open the parachute? Will you




00:19:38

Speaker 2: open the parachute before you jump or after you jump?




00:19:41

Speaker 2: The parachute only opens after you jump it. You cannot




00:19:44

Speaker 2: open it while you're in the flight,




00:19:46

Speaker 2: so the mind also opens up when you are when




00:19:50

Speaker 2: you are when you are getting that situation where you're




00:19:53

Speaker 2: where the velocity of the gravity is pulling you, that




00:19:56

Speaker 2: is when the, um, resistance of the air opens the




00:20:00

Speaker 2: parachute the same way when you come into the Harward




00:20:03

Speaker 2: and you settle down, when you see the opportunities when




00:20:05

Speaker 2: you see the problems, then your mind opens up and




00:20:07

Speaker 2: you will know what to do. And I I should




00:20:09

Speaker 2: thank gs for that, and, uh, he did a fantastic




00:20:11

Speaker 2: job of counselling me and taking me, helping me take




00:20:14

Speaker 2: this decision.




00:20:16

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really really, uh, the the example he gave is, uh, um,




00:20:23

Speaker 1: really eye opening for me, too, Because when, uh, you see,




00:20:27

Speaker 1: there is always some fear when you you also took




00:20:31

Speaker 1: a spec. You know, specific word in the initial, uh,




00:20:35

Speaker 1: you know, uh, initial part of this podcast, the rat race,




00:20:40

Speaker 1: and, uh, a lot of people I think a lot




00:20:42

Speaker 1: of men in, uh, in, uh, these days are stuck




00:20:46

Speaker 1: in this rat race. And I know that a lot




00:20:48

Speaker 1: of men feel somewhat similar to you and me.




00:20:52

Speaker 1: They want some meaning in life. They want to follow




00:20:55

Speaker 1: some purpose because, um, at least from my experience, I,




00:20:58

Speaker 1: um even though I was, uh, I did well in




00:21:00

Speaker 1: school and college, Uh, I had no special interests or talents, and, um,




00:21:06

Speaker 1: whatever job I was doing, I was just, uh you know,




00:21:08

Speaker 1: I was just surviving.




00:21:10

Speaker 1: I was just doing it for the sake of doing.




00:21:12

Speaker 1: I was just doing it for the sake of earning money.




00:21:15

Speaker 1: I was just doing it for, um, you know, um,




00:21:18

Speaker 1: to be safe. And, um, I was just doing it




00:21:21

Speaker 1: for the sake of social norms. I don't want it




00:21:25

Speaker 1: to look as a failure in front of other people's eye.




00:21:28

Speaker 1: And, uh, fortunately, uh, I




00:21:32

Speaker 1: you know, I got into fitness. Even though I was




00:21:35

Speaker 1: into fitness for almost 15 years, I never got results, but, uh,




00:21:40

Speaker 1: when I got into fitness in 2015, that completely changed




00:21:44

Speaker 1: my perspective. That was the first time I did something




00:21:47

Speaker 1: which was really interesting for me. Something which I did




00:21:50

Speaker 1: on my own and something where I put effort. And,




00:21:54

Speaker 1: uh




00:21:55

Speaker 1: uh, with with a lot of passion, I did it




00:21:57

Speaker 1: and that gave me confidence that I could do other stuff. Also,




00:22:01

Speaker 1: I can learn other things and, uh, you know, make




00:22:04

Speaker 1: something out of my life. And that also prompted me




00:22:06

Speaker 1: to that also gave me an idea because for a




00:22:09

Speaker 1: very long time, um, right from 2007, when I joined




00:22:15

Speaker 1: joined my first job, I felt I did not belong there.




00:22:19

Speaker 1: I always, you know, uh, wanted to,




00:22:22

Speaker 1: uh, do something on my own. But since I had




00:22:25

Speaker 1: no interests and talents, I had no idea what to do.




00:22:28

Speaker 1: And for the next 10 or 11 years. I just




00:22:31

Speaker 1: went with the flow. I played it safe. And, um,




00:22:34

Speaker 1: of course, I, uh you know, I, you know, earned




00:22:38

Speaker 1: good money and all. I was living in Germany. I




00:22:41

Speaker 1: had a chance to continue there as long as I wished.




00:22:43

Speaker 1: But I felt something was missing in my life,




00:22:47

Speaker 1: and I really missed being in Darva or being in, uh,




00:22:50

Speaker 1: you know, being around my loved ones, my relatives and




00:22:54

Speaker 1: my friends. And, uh, something was always pulling me back.




00:22:59

Speaker 1: But I had no idea how I'll make a living




00:23:01

Speaker 1: out of, uh, you know, uh, coming back. Uh, and, uh,




00:23:06

Speaker 1: I think




00:23:07

Speaker 2: the point that I that I want to mention here




00:23:09

Speaker 2: is




00:23:10

Speaker 2: see when a rocket is taking off. Um, it has




00:23:12

Speaker 2: to take off with the with a certain velocity, which




00:23:14

Speaker 2: is called as escape velocity so that it goes out




00:23:17

Speaker 2: of the Earth's gravitational zone. And many times, for people




00:23:22

Speaker 2: like me and you and for many professionals, those, um,




00:23:25

Speaker 2: gravity is the upbringing. Like my parents and your parents




00:23:29

Speaker 2: have already have always been salaried people. Taking risk is




00:23:33

Speaker 2: against their DNA, so they would always want you to




00:23:36

Speaker 2: tell that don't take risk. It it might. It might backfire.




00:23:40

Speaker 2: The other thing is, if you're settled earning good money,




00:23:43

Speaker 2: why come back to something which is not so great?




00:23:46

Speaker 2: So these are all things that hold us back. But




00:23:50

Speaker 2: we have to fight,




00:23:51

Speaker 2: and we have to fight. And these examples, like these




00:23:55

Speaker 2: will help others to take some action, go back to




00:23:58

Speaker 2: their native start contributing to making their places better place




00:24:04

Speaker 2: so that India becomes a better place so that India




00:24:06

Speaker 2: becomes a developed country faster than what it would have




00:24:10

Speaker 2: taken if if people do not come back.




00:24:14

Speaker 1: Yeah. So, so true. We're, um uh it is always




00:24:18

Speaker 1: our own limiting beliefs, which is which are holding us back. And,




00:24:21

Speaker 1: uh uh, just want to finish what I wanted to




00:24:24

Speaker 1: tell is, uh, somehow I took that plunge and, uh,




00:24:28

Speaker 1: you know, took that leap of faith and came back. And, uh,




00:24:31

Speaker 1: I'm perfectly fine. It's been, uh, about six years now,




00:24:34

Speaker 1: in a couple of months. Six years since I quit




00:24:37

Speaker 1: my job, and I'm still alive and still able to




00:24:39

Speaker 1: provide for my family,




00:24:40

Speaker 1: even though I've not achieved the financial, uh, financial success




00:24:44

Speaker 1: I expected to, um, expected to reach or, um uh, achieve.




00:24:51

Speaker 1: But there are other things. Like, uh, there are, um,




00:24:54

Speaker 1: unplanned things which will happen. Like covid is a major




00:24:56

Speaker 1: major thing, which is unplanned. And, uh, it, um, and




00:25:00

Speaker 1: I I have come to believe that, um um,




00:25:05

Speaker 1: no matter, Whatever happens, if your intentions are right, there




00:25:09

Speaker 1: is there is always a path, and you will find




00:25:11

Speaker 1: the path even though, you know, I have survived through covid. And, um,




00:25:15

Speaker 1: that paved a different path for me, and I'm on




00:25:17

Speaker 1: a different path now, and, uh, that is how it is. And, um, uh,




00:25:21

Speaker 1: I'm really grateful to a lot of advice. Uh, when




00:25:25

Speaker 1: I got




00:25:26

Speaker 1: at that point of time and I was trying to




00:25:28

Speaker 1: make this switch, I was listening to a lot of




00:25:30

Speaker 1: podcasts like this. And this is one of the reason




00:25:33

Speaker 1: I have started this podcast because I used to listen




00:25:36

Speaker 1: to podcasts at this time which were focused that men, uh,




00:25:40

Speaker 1: there is one specific podcast which is called Order of Men.




00:25:44

Speaker 1: Uh, which I listened regularly and it was specifically focused




00:25:47

Speaker 1: on men and issues men face in their life and




00:25:51

Speaker 1: it has been really, really valuable in my life. And, uh,




00:25:53

Speaker 1: it has, uh, guided me through all the ups and




00:25:57

Speaker 1: downs so far. And, uh, that is one of the




00:25:59

Speaker 1: reason I started this podcast. And we, like you said,




00:26:03

Speaker 1: um um,




00:26:05

Speaker 1: it is, um it is true that there is always this, um, escape.




00:26:09

Speaker 1: But you have to, you know, uh, work against the resistance.




00:26:13

Speaker 1: And that was also very, very hard for me when




00:26:15

Speaker 1: I started my business. Um, every everybody was opposed to it.




00:26:20

Speaker 1: But then when you start seeing that, um,




00:26:24

Speaker 1: uh, the work you're doing is adding value to the people. Uh,




00:26:29

Speaker 1: then it's it gives a lot of fulfilment and the




00:26:32

Speaker 1: kind of response you get from people. The kind of




00:26:35

Speaker 1: respect and love you get from people. Uh, it is




00:26:38

Speaker 1: something invaluable something, uh, you know, much more than the




00:26:41

Speaker 1: kind of money we can earn by doing it. And




00:26:44

Speaker 1: one specific point I want to highlight here is adding




00:26:48

Speaker 1: value to people.




00:26:50

Speaker 1: I was, uh, completely directionless and purposeless until I got




00:26:54

Speaker 1: to know that, um, success is all about adding value




00:26:59

Speaker 1: to other people. Something which people need give them something




00:27:03

Speaker 1: which they need and which will change their life or




00:27:05

Speaker 1: make their life better. Better. And that is when you




00:27:08

Speaker 1: can charge money and, uh, make a living out of it.




00:27:11

Speaker 1: And also, you know, uh, attach a kind of purpose




00:27:15

Speaker 1: with it.




00:27:16

Speaker 1: OK, so where I would, uh, like to like, uh,




00:27:20

Speaker 1: you know you to talk about one more topic, which is, uh,




00:27:23

Speaker 1: which you have not mentioned. But I know about you




00:27:26

Speaker 1: that recently in the last, uh, one year or a




00:27:29

Speaker 1: couple of years. You did few things like you had




00:27:31

Speaker 1: a bucket list. Uh, why don't you talk about that




00:27:34

Speaker 1: bucket list and, um uh, let the listeners go crazy




00:27:38

Speaker 1: by listening to your story?




00:27:41

Speaker 2: OK, so before that, uh, your your journey has been,




00:27:45

Speaker 2: um uh, very motivational worth emulating worth following. So you




00:27:50

Speaker 2: are a great motivation in the world. You've started one




00:27:53

Speaker 2: of the kind of gyms that people would love to




00:27:57

Speaker 2: come because I have, I've I've gym in at various




00:28:00

Speaker 2: places and this is one gym where I've been consistent




00:28:03

Speaker 2: for three months. I haven't been consistent for such a




00:28:06

Speaker 2: long time.




00:28:07

Speaker 2: Probably four or five months is my record, but then




00:28:09

Speaker 2: I was not very continuous here. I'm I'm continuously attending




00:28:12

Speaker 2: the gym,




00:28:13

Speaker 2: and, uh, it's making a lot of difference in my




00:28:15

Speaker 2: positive attitude. So you are lot adding a lot of




00:28:19

Speaker 2: value to people whom you are getting in touch with,




00:28:22

Speaker 2: and you are adding a lot of value to this




00:28:24

Speaker 2: place called as Darva. Thank you so much.




00:28:27

Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much before you continue,




00:28:31

Speaker 1: I would like to tell it is by design that, uh,




00:28:33

Speaker 1: you are, you know, you are stuck here for three months.




00:28:36

Speaker 1: It is by design. And, um,




00:28:38

Speaker 1: of course I did the work. But all the credit




00:28:41

Speaker 1: goes to all the online mentors I met earlier and




00:28:44

Speaker 1: all the people who have impacted my life and my




00:28:46

Speaker 1: own experiences




00:28:48

Speaker 1: that, um, you know, I was, uh when I was




00:28:51

Speaker 1: in 10th Standard when I was 15 years old. That




00:28:53

Speaker 1: is when I first joined the gym, and I wanted,




00:28:57

Speaker 1: you know, deeply wanted to, you know, had this deep




00:29:00

Speaker 1: desire to become fit and have a strong looking, muscular physique.




00:29:05

Speaker 1: But, uh, things were missing at that point. That was




00:29:08

Speaker 1: no proper guidance or no encouragement. Uh, still, now, a




00:29:12

Speaker 1: lot of parents actually discourage, uh, their Children from going




00:29:15

Speaker 1: to gym. Um, and, um, I'm grateful to all these




00:29:19

Speaker 1: life experiences. Like, um um,




00:29:23

Speaker 1: if, uh, have you heard this? Like, if someone asks you,




00:29:26

Speaker 1: Do you want to change anything in your life? Um,




00:29:29

Speaker 1: people will say, Like, I want to change some part




00:29:31

Speaker 1: of my life. I mean, I was That was not,




00:29:33

Speaker 1: you know, the worst part of my life. I don't




00:29:35

Speaker 1: want to cha I want to change that in my life.




00:29:37

Speaker 1: But I would say I have been through a lot




00:29:39

Speaker 1: of difficult times, you know, ups and downs in my life. Um,




00:29:44

Speaker 1: and I would say whatever I am today is, um,




00:29:47

Speaker 1: you know, I'm a product of my all my life




00:29:50

Speaker 1: experiences people who have come and gone in my life.




00:29:53

Speaker 1: And, uh, that is what has made my life. And,




00:29:56

Speaker 1: um




00:29:58

Speaker 1: um, what I have done in the gym is I




00:30:00

Speaker 1: have took all my I have taken all my lessons.




00:30:02

Speaker 1: Whatever was missing when I went to gym or lessons




00:30:05

Speaker 1: I learned from from my mentors and I have implemented




00:30:09

Speaker 1: I have tried to come up with a system which, uh,




00:30:12

Speaker 1: the intention of the system is to, um, add value




00:30:15

Speaker 1: to people and give them a system which we can,




00:30:18

Speaker 1: which they can stick to and, uh, really get that, uh,




00:30:22

Speaker 1: you know, transformation in their life. And, uh, thank you for, uh,




00:30:26

Speaker 1: acknowledging that. And, uh, now I'll let you speak about your, uh,




00:30:29

Speaker 1: bucket list.




00:30:31

Speaker 2: OK, so it all started in 2012. Uh, in Singapore,




00:30:36

Speaker 2: Four friends of, um 44 of my colleagues from India




00:30:40

Speaker 2: and from the same company we were sitting or a




00:30:43

Speaker 2: cup of tea. And then we were thinking, What should




00:30:46

Speaker 2: we do such that we remember it for a lifetime.




00:30:49

Speaker 2: And somehow I don't remember who suggested this, but, um,




00:30:53

Speaker 2: one of us suggested that let's do cycling from Kashmir




00:30:57

Speaker 2: to kanyakumari. So this was in 2012, and we set




00:31:01

Speaker 2: five years as the time frame. So by 2017, we




00:31:04

Speaker 2: should have done that.




00:31:05

Speaker 2: So 2014, I came back 1516. I was busy with




00:31:09

Speaker 2: all Millet monk, spring of health, and then, um, by




00:31:12

Speaker 2: around 2020 till 2020 I think in one of the, uh, uh,




00:31:17

Speaker 2: cleaning up work that we were doing in the home.




00:31:20

Speaker 2: I got to see that paper, uh, where we had




00:31:23

Speaker 2: all written that we will do Kashmir to connect money




00:31:26

Speaker 2: by 2017. And we had all signed on it




00:31:28

Speaker 2: and I said, Oh, my God, we had We had




00:31:30

Speaker 2: thought of doing this in 2017, and now it's 2020.




00:31:33

Speaker 2: So I contacted all my friends. Who are the four




00:31:37

Speaker 2: signatories on that saying that? Why don't we do that?




00:31:40

Speaker 2: So one of them said that? Yeah. After the BO




00:31:42

Speaker 2: we have, we have gone old with so much of,




00:31:45

Speaker 2: um potbelly. We can't do cycling now. So these were




00:31:48

Speaker 2: the reasons that




00:31:49

Speaker 2: came up. Then I realised that it's not going to




00:31:51

Speaker 2: work this way. So a year went by. I bought




00:31:55

Speaker 2: a cycle. I just thought of seeing whether is it




00:31:58

Speaker 2: really possible? Then I did a 20 kilometre ride, a




00:32:01

Speaker 2: 30 kilometre ride. I started getting confident. Then I said




00:32:05

Speaker 2: that I want to do this. I want to do




00:32:07

Speaker 2: the Kashmir to Kana ride even if nobody joins it.




00:32:11

Speaker 2: And that's when I started practising. Uh cycling in and




00:32:14

Speaker 2: around Hubli. I became a member of Hubli Bicycle Club I.




00:32:17

Speaker 2: I thank all the members of Hubli Bicycle Club for




00:32:20

Speaker 2: having supported me. I started doing the 100 kilometre ride,




00:32:23

Speaker 2: then 200 kilometre rides. Then I did the one from




00:32:27

Speaker 2: Hubli to Badami and back to hub.




00:32:29

Speaker 2: Uh, Hubli And what? And back to Hubli. I did




00:32:32

Speaker 2: one ride from Hubli to Goa, which was 200 kilometres.




00:32:35

Speaker 2: And with all this, I started gaining confidence. But I




00:32:38

Speaker 2: was not sure how will I do it alone? That's




00:32:40

Speaker 2: when I asked my wife, Purnima, that, uh, can you




00:32:43

Speaker 2: accompany me in the car? And, uh, I will be cycling.




00:32:47

Speaker 2: So we took this up and I was working with,




00:32:51

Speaker 2: um an organisation called Freedom from Diabetes, where I was




00:32:55

Speaker 2: heading the freedom from diabetes clubs and I. I approached




00:32:59

Speaker 2: Doctor P. Promo Tripathi. I have great respect for Dr




00:33:00

Speaker 2: Promo RTI, who is the founder of Holistic, uh, of




00:33:03

Speaker 2: freedom from diabetes. And, uh, he, um encouraged me by




00:33:07

Speaker 2: sponsoring this, uh, trip. He said that, uh, freedom from




00:33:11

Speaker 2: diabetes will sponsor this.




00:33:13

Speaker 2: And, uh, what we did is we We asked my




00:33:17

Speaker 2: daughter Amo who was seventh standard, then to also join




00:33:21

Speaker 2: my wife, Purnima, in the car. And, uh, we had, uh, PVI,




00:33:24

Speaker 2: another friend's son. He also joined. So Purnima and PVI




00:33:29

Speaker 2: were in the driving seat. Ah, Moni would take care




00:33:32

Speaker 2: of greasing my cycle, and, uh, it was this year. Uh, sorry.




00:33:37

Speaker 2: It was this day that I was sixth of February




00:33:40

Speaker 2: 2024




00:33:42

Speaker 2: that I was in. Um, Srinagar. I was in Jammu, uh,




00:33:46

Speaker 2: last year. So it started from Srinagar. We went to




00:33:51

Speaker 2: Srinagar by loading our cycle on the car. And then




00:33:55

Speaker 2: we went to Srinagar. We started there on 4th February, and, uh,




00:33:59

Speaker 2: we did this, uh, ride from Kashmir to Kanyakumari 4000




00:34:04

Speaker 2: kilometres over 41 days. And, uh, that's that's been a great,




00:34:09

Speaker 2: great experience for me.




00:34:12

Speaker 1: Amazing. Uh, we're, um See, um, Kashmir to Kana Kumari is,




00:34:17

Speaker 1: um is easy to say,




00:34:19

Speaker 1: but, uh, it seems very, very difficult and adventurous. And




00:34:26

Speaker 1: one thing that comes to mind, uh, is it's scary.




00:34:29

Speaker 1: It's really scary, like you have to, uh how long the,




00:34:33

Speaker 1: you know the distance is




00:34:35

Speaker 1: 4000 kilometres, 4000 kilometres that to on a bicycle 4000




00:34:39

Speaker 1: kilometres on a car. Seems very scary and a lot




00:34:42

Speaker 1: of commitment and a lot of time. And, um




00:34:45

Speaker 1: um, you know, a lot of, uh, going through a




00:34:47

Speaker 1: lot of pain. Even if you go by, uh uh,




00:34:50

Speaker 1: you know, proper vehicle. But you did it on a




00:34:52

Speaker 1: bi you know, bicycle. And it's really, really commendable. And, um,




00:34:57

Speaker 1: you know, outwardly, I can say there are very few




00:35:00

Speaker 1: people who can do this. You know, you set a




00:35:02

Speaker 1: great example here




00:35:05

Speaker 1: again. I would like to probe a little bit here.




00:35:07

Speaker 1: What really prompted you to take this up? Because it




00:35:10

Speaker 1: is It is, uh, you know, easy to make a




00:35:12

Speaker 1: plan like that. It is easy to Mm. You know,




00:35:15

Speaker 1: cast a dream.




00:35:17

Speaker 1: But really, bringing that dream to reality is something, uh,




00:35:20

Speaker 1: which very few people do. Can you can you share




00:35:24

Speaker 1: what was going in your mind? And, uh, why were




00:35:27

Speaker 1: you so crazy to take this project?




00:35:30

Speaker 1: Mhm.




00:35:31

Speaker 2: OK, so doing, uh, the the first risk was why




00:35:35

Speaker 2: we signed this paper in 2012. The reason was that




00:35:39

Speaker 2: we should remember this for the entire lifetime. There are




00:35:42

Speaker 2: many small incidents that happen in our life. And when




00:35:45

Speaker 2: we are at our 60th birthday or 80th birthday, we




00:35:48

Speaker 2: don't remember them. But there are few incidents in life




00:35:51

Speaker 2: which you will would want to remember recollect. So I




00:35:54

Speaker 2: wanted one of that and as you rightly pointed, it




00:35:57

Speaker 2: is difficult. It is not easy,




00:36:00

Speaker 2: but there were other driving factors which made it easy.




00:36:04

Speaker 2: One is it was not about me cycling from Kashmir




00:36:07

Speaker 2: to Kanak Mari.




00:36:09

Speaker 2: It was about spreading the message that diabetes is reversible




00:36:13

Speaker 2: through lifestyle change.




00:36:15

Speaker 2: That is when I started seeing that some people have




00:36:18

Speaker 2: changed their lifestyle and they're now out of diabetes. They're healthy.




00:36:23

Speaker 2: They're cycling now.




00:36:25

Speaker 2: So I found this to be very inspiring to do




00:36:28

Speaker 2: this journey and give this message. If I were to




00:36:31

Speaker 2: do this in a car or I would take a flight,




00:36:34

Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been so impactful. The other two things




00:36:38

Speaker 2: What we did in this journey is one is we




00:36:40

Speaker 2: said that we will avoid staying in hotels as much




00:36:44

Speaker 2: as possible. We'll stay at people's homes. We will consume




00:36:48

Speaker 2: the food they are consuming.




00:36:50

Speaker 2: Uh, and the the second thing is that we will




00:36:53

Speaker 2: not have any bottled water, so we'll drink the water,




00:36:56

Speaker 2: which our host is drinking. So these were the two




00:36:59

Speaker 2: things which made the journey very powerful. One is staying




00:37:02

Speaker 2: at people's homes. We got so much of love, affection




00:37:06

Speaker 2: and we could share our stories. We could impact them




00:37:08

Speaker 2: to take up healthy life




00:37:10

Speaker 2: for somebody who's cycling and telling they would take it




00:37:13

Speaker 2: seriously rather than somebody who's coming by car and telling.




00:37:16

Speaker 2: So that was 11 reason. And second is that I




00:37:20

Speaker 2: wanted to see myself. Whether am I the person who




00:37:24

Speaker 2: just talks or do I walk the talk here? Do




00:37:28

Speaker 2: I sign




00:37:28

Speaker 2: E of my talk? So that way I wanted to




00:37:32

Speaker 2: test my resolve. And through this I I got to




00:37:37

Speaker 2: know myself better because 10 hours being on a saddle,




00:37:41

Speaker 2: that small seat, remember, a cycle seat, uh, is very difficult.




00:37:47

Speaker 2: Uh, in fact, uh, it was so that 10 hours




00:37:49

Speaker 2: of cycling 100 kilometres every day, I would get so




00:37:52

Speaker 2: much of time to look back at my life what




00:37:55

Speaker 2: worked in my life? What? I could have changed. What




00:37:58

Speaker 2: I want to change in the future. If I wouldn't




00:38:01

Speaker 2: have done this. I wouldn't have got myself so much time.




00:38:04

Speaker 2: I also got so much time with my wife and




00:38:07

Speaker 2: daughter on the cycling journey. My daughter




00:38:11

Speaker 2: and my co communication relationship become better because she was




00:38:15

Speaker 2: taking care of greasing the cycle, making sure that it




00:38:18

Speaker 2: is fit and fine. Ruth and Puma were making sure




00:38:21

Speaker 2: that I could get the adequate breakfast lunch rest. So




00:38:25

Speaker 2: it was a great teamwork. So all these criteria helped




00:38:29

Speaker 2: me to make sure that my dream of Kashmir to




00:38:33

Speaker 2: kanyakumari has to become a reality.




00:38:36

Speaker 1: Excellent. We see, um, after listening to your story, uh,




00:38:40

Speaker 1: I think this is the first time I'm listening This




00:38:42

Speaker 1: from your mouth. I. I had known that you had




00:38:45

Speaker 1: done this kanya Kashmir to kanyakumari ride. Uh, and it




00:38:49

Speaker 1: was all about it. I mean, I really did not talk.




00:38:52

Speaker 1: We did. Really did not talk about it. I did




00:38:54

Speaker 1: not ask you how it was. And what were your experience. And, uh,




00:38:58

Speaker 1: thank you for sharing this because, um, what lessons I




00:39:01

Speaker 1: would like to draw from here is,




00:39:03

Speaker 1: uh, see one thing you said when you started, you




00:39:06

Speaker 1: had never done it. I mean, uh, you. I think




00:39:09

Speaker 1: you had not cycled for years. Is that right? OK,




00:39:13

Speaker 1: so one thing you started the start was important. You




00:39:15

Speaker 1: bought a cycle, you made a commitment. I think you




00:39:18

Speaker 1: spent quite a bit of money for your bicycle. You




00:39:21

Speaker 1: made that commitment. That was one thing I can say.




00:39:24

Speaker 1: Another thing is, uh, you said you started doing it




00:39:27

Speaker 1: and you started practising it. And, um, you joined the




00:39:31

Speaker 1: Hubli cycling club, right? And then you got, uh, you know,




00:39:35

Speaker 1: connected with people like minded people who are interested in cycling.




00:39:40

Speaker 1: You got, uh I'm pretty sure you got a lot of, uh,




00:39:42

Speaker 1: you know, knowledge from them. You got a lot of




00:39:45

Speaker 1: tips from them. And, um,




00:39:47

Speaker 1: I think you the journey also the you know, the




00:39:50

Speaker 1: training part also was fun because you had the people




00:39:54

Speaker 1: around you who are on this, you know, uh, who




00:39:57

Speaker 1: had the same mindset? Uh, when it comes to cycling, Uh,




00:40:01

Speaker 1: isn't that true?




00:40:03

Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely. Without that support system, I wouldn't have been




00:40:06

Speaker 2: able to do this.




00:40:08

Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you said something very, very beautiful that,




00:40:12

Speaker 1: um




00:40:13

Speaker 1: um your daughter was helping you in greasing the cycle.




00:40:17

Speaker 1: So she also got to become part of this. So




00:40:20

Speaker 1: it's not only that you will be able to tell




00:40:22

Speaker 1: this story, uh, after you get old, but your daughter




00:40:25

Speaker 1: will also get to tell the story that she was




00:40:27

Speaker 1: part of this. And you said your wife was there and, uh,




00:40:30

Speaker 1: your friend was there, and it was all about teamwork. Right?




00:40:35

Speaker 1: So what I can say is, when and also that, um,




00:40:38

Speaker 1: you are doing it, uh, with a purpose in mind.




00:40:41

Speaker 1: You had a mission there. And when you, um




00:40:45

Speaker 1: when you start something which, with a strong purpose, something




00:40:48

Speaker 1: which is close to you something which is, um you know,




00:40:51

Speaker 1: which is important for you, Uh, that that gives you




00:40:55

Speaker 1: a lot of energy. That is what I can draw




00:40:57

Speaker 1: from here. And, um, when you start something with a




00:41:01

Speaker 1: vision in mind something when you start doing something big




00:41:05

Speaker 1: people will, uh, some some of the other way people




00:41:09

Speaker 1: will support you. You will definitely find that support. And




00:41:13

Speaker 1: you are lucky that your wife was supporting you and




00:41:16

Speaker 1: your daughter was supporting you.




00:41:18

Speaker 1: Um, and, uh, there is also one beautiful thing that uh,




00:41:22

Speaker 1: you said that you did not live in lodges. You




00:41:25

Speaker 1: went to people's places. You ate what they ate and




00:41:28

Speaker 1: you slept in their homes. Uh, people who are strangers




00:41:31

Speaker 1: to you till that point of time till the point




00:41:33

Speaker 1: you met them, right? And, uh, when you are doing




00:41:37

Speaker 1: with the cause and the mission, there are people who




00:41:39

Speaker 1: will get connected. People who are strangers, they also get connected.




00:41:43

Speaker 1: And that is where this mission is was, uh, you know,




00:41:45

Speaker 1: mission was important. And, uh, the cause was important. Uh,




00:41:49

Speaker 1: truly amazing. And a beautiful story here. Um, so can you, um,




00:41:55

Speaker 1: from your point of view, you said that you got




00:41:58

Speaker 1: a lot of time to think about your life, all the,




00:42:01

Speaker 1: you know, things which have happened in your life. Or




00:42:03

Speaker 1: maybe you thought about what to do in your life.




00:42:06

Speaker 1: Can you just, um, share a few of the lessons




00:42:09

Speaker 1: or the major? Uh, you know, insights. You got, uh,




00:42:13

Speaker 1: during this, uh, journey.




00:42:16

Speaker 2: OK, so, um,




00:42:19

Speaker 2: there's one more, uh, activity that I do every year




00:42:22

Speaker 2: to reset myself. That is I do patra, which is, uh,




00:42:27

Speaker 2: two Dharmala in Karnataka. The first one. I did it




00:42:30

Speaker 2: in 2008, walking from Bangalore to Darvas, a distance of




00:42:34

Speaker 2: 340 kilometres. So I keep doing this and then this




00:42:38

Speaker 2: February 24th will be my 16th year of consecutive padras.




00:42:41

Speaker 2: Whichever country I'm in, I come back to Bangalore or




00:42:46

Speaker 2: Harward and then I start walking.




00:42:48

Speaker 2: So even in those journeys and this citing journey, what




00:42:50

Speaker 2: is important is the time that I get to think




00:42:53

Speaker 2: about myself, my past. So what I realised whenever I




00:42:57

Speaker 2: think is that what could have I changed while I




00:43:02

Speaker 2: was growing up




00:43:04

Speaker 2: looking it from my perspective. Rather than blaming anybody, I




00:43:08

Speaker 2: would say that I would have done. I wouldn't have




00:43:11

Speaker 2: procrastinated so much, I would have concentrated more on science




00:43:15

Speaker 2: and math. And now I take those, uh, changes that




00:43:20

Speaker 2: I could have done.




00:43:22

Speaker 2: I'm seeing in today's date. What are those things I




00:43:27

Speaker 2: can change in myself.




00:43:29

Speaker 2: So it helps me to, um, map it to my




00:43:35

Speaker 2: present day problems and the solution for the present day problems.




00:43:41

Speaker 2: OK, the second thing is, um, IR. Look at all




00:43:45

Speaker 2: the things that went well and all the things that




00:43:48

Speaker 2: did not go Well, for example, I might have had




00:43:52

Speaker 2: a great, um, uh, quarter of sales when I was




00:43:55

Speaker 2: in V Pro. What made me get those sales, or




00:43:59

Speaker 2: how I was able to do a good project management




00:44:02

Speaker 2: implementation in five countries sitting out of Singapore.




00:44:06

Speaker 2: Then I look at what were the ingredients of them




00:44:10

Speaker 2: being successful and then map it out to today's date




00:44:13

Speaker 2: and age as what I will do. How I will




00:44:15

Speaker 2: copy my own success now and do it. I also




00:44:20

Speaker 2: look at some of the probably quarrels which I've had




00:44:23

Speaker 2: with my wife. What led to that quarrel? How would




00:44:26

Speaker 2: I have




00:44:28

Speaker 2: communicate it better to my wife if it were to




00:44:31

Speaker 2: be a discussion that I'm doing today? And so these




00:44:35

Speaker 2: things are even though they look imaginary. But they give




00:44:40

Speaker 2: you a time of mapping those successes and those failures




00:44:44

Speaker 2: on to today's problems. What I face. So that's been




00:44:49

Speaker 2: a fantastic first revelation that I got Whenever I get




00:44:53

Speaker 2: time to myself.




00:44:55

Speaker 2: So, like this Patra, we walk for seven days. Every




00:44:58

Speaker 2: day we walk 30 kilometres to 35 kilometres. So 10




00:45:01

Speaker 2: hours of walking, uh, and especially morning two o'clock. 2 a.m.




00:45:05

Speaker 2: to 6 a.m. You are walking in the dark and




00:45:09

Speaker 2: there is only moonlight Uh, full moonlight is there. And then, um,




00:45:13

Speaker 2: you are going with your own thoughts going in your




00:45:15

Speaker 2: mind There are other 1520 3040 people walking along with you.




00:45:19

Speaker 2: So these, uh, episodes get, uh, revisited in my mind.




00:45:25

Speaker 2: So that was the first thing. The second thing is, um, when,




00:45:29

Speaker 2: um the learning has been that




00:45:33

Speaker 2: a powerful learning has been that you ask and you




00:45:37

Speaker 2: will get, for example, in Kashmir to kanaka recycling. There




00:45:40

Speaker 2: have been instances where we wanted to stay at a




00:45:44

Speaker 2: place and there were 34 guests who wanted to come




00:45:47

Speaker 2: and they wanted us to stay at their place. So




00:45:49

Speaker 2: there was there was a fight amongst themselves as to




00:45:51

Speaker 2: where will we Marine stay?




00:45:53

Speaker 2: And there were places like bean air where till four o'clock.




00:45:57

Speaker 2: We did not know where we are going to stay.




00:45:59

Speaker 2: But just one S MS one message saying that I'm




00:46:02

Speaker 2: in Bikaner. I want a place to stay within half




00:46:05

Speaker 2: an hour, we get a place and this Actually I




00:46:10

Speaker 2: have been teaching this to my daughter that you ask




00:46:13

Speaker 2: and you will get it. The problem that we are




00:46:16

Speaker 2: currently face is that we don't ask. We expect that




00:46:18

Speaker 2: we may not get, and then we just keep quiet




00:46:21

Speaker 2: in our comfort zone.




00:46:22

Speaker 2: So these were two of my great learnings. One is




00:46:25

Speaker 2: looking back to my old life and what I would




00:46:28

Speaker 2: have done changing second is you ask and you will




00:46:32

Speaker 2: get it




00:46:33

Speaker 1: really, really valuable lessons. One thing is, um, here you




00:46:37

Speaker 1: talk about the contemplation going within you and, uh, assessing




00:46:42

Speaker 1: what all actions you've taken so far, what went right




00:46:47

Speaker 1: and what went wrong. And, uh uh, this you are




00:46:50

Speaker 1: doing it with a sense of self improvement, right? Uh,




00:46:54

Speaker 1: with a kind of, you know, perspective of reflection. What




00:46:57

Speaker 1: you could have done better. Or, uh,




00:47:00

Speaker 1: you know what? You did well. And, uh, use those




00:47:03

Speaker 1: lessons so that, uh, you know, you can, um, bring




00:47:08

Speaker 1: that in the forefront of your mind and use those




00:47:11

Speaker 1: lessons in the future to come. Uh, that's really valuable.




00:47:15

Speaker 1: One lesson. I, um you know, I would say, um,




00:47:19

Speaker 1: the second one is Ask and you will get This




00:47:22

Speaker 1: is something a lot of people struggle with. And I




00:47:24

Speaker 1: also struggle with this a lot when you want something.




00:47:28

Speaker 1: And when you ask other people most probably the worst




00:47:33

Speaker 1: thing that can happen is they may say no.




00:47:36

Speaker 1: Right. And, uh, like, uh, with your experience, um, your




00:47:41

Speaker 1: experience is that when you ask, there'll be more than one.




00:47:44

Speaker 1: give us one more thing. Um, I missed the missed




00:47:48

Speaker 1: to ask you which I got in my mind when




00:47:50

Speaker 1: you're telling your story.




00:47:53

Speaker 1: So you said that, um, you know, doing, uh, deciding something.




00:47:59

Speaker 1: Planning something is different than actually going on and doing




00:48:03

Speaker 1: the thing




00:48:06

Speaker 1: that will change something. Uh, you know, um, change your




00:48:10

Speaker 1: own opinion and mindset about yourself. Can you talk a




00:48:13

Speaker 1: little more about that




00:48:15

Speaker 1: with all the experiences which you had?




00:48:19

Speaker 2: Yeah. So, uh, when I'll take the example of Kashmir




00:48:22

Speaker 2: to connect M in my first walk from Bangalore to




00:48:25

Speaker 2: that masa, which I did that was alone. I did




00:48:28

Speaker 2: not have any support. Uh, the the third or fourth day,




00:48:32

Speaker 2: my father joined in and he took my luggage, but




00:48:34

Speaker 2: then I was walking alone.




00:48:36

Speaker 2: When you look at anything, um, it looks very enormous




00:48:41

Speaker 2: and big because that's something you have not done. It's




00:48:45

Speaker 2: the first time you you are handling that, uh, becoming




00:48:50

Speaker 2: a parent for the first time. You don't know how




00:48:52

Speaker 2: to handle your child. It's only through experience. Kashmir to




00:48:55

Speaker 2: kanyakumari 4000 kilometres ride was a big thing. But what




00:49:00

Speaker 2: helps and, um helps you manage this




00:49:04

Speaker 2: cutting down, breaking down the bigger goal into smaller ones




00:49:09

Speaker 2: and then making sure that you take mark those smaller




00:49:14

Speaker 2: goals as achieved. And you would see that the entire




00:49:18

Speaker 2: bigger goal is taken care of like, for example, in




00:49:21

Speaker 2: Kashmir to connect motorcycling every day. I have to just




00:49:24

Speaker 2: think of the next day that next day, 100 kilometres




00:49:28

Speaker 2: next day. This is the destination where I have to reach.




00:49:30

Speaker 2: And once I break down the next day, then it




00:49:33

Speaker 2: is about 10 hours of cycling every hour. I have




00:49:36

Speaker 2: to see that I have I have done that 12 kilometres,




00:49:39

Speaker 2: 14 kilometre right. And every minute I have to just




00:49:42

Speaker 2: look at that pedal that I'm peddling. That's it. Uh,




00:49:45

Speaker 2: so that way breaking down bigger goal into smaller goals help.




00:49:48

Speaker 2: Even in my first walk in 2008 from Bangalore to Dharma.




00:49:53

Speaker 2: There were times when there were a lot of, uh,




00:49:57

Speaker 2: boils in my shoe and I couldn't lift my leg.




00:50:01

Speaker 2: In fact, the third day morning while I sat down




00:50:05

Speaker 2: on an, um, Indian WC um uh, for my toilet




00:50:10

Speaker 2: I I couldn't get up. My legs were so sore.




00:50:14

Speaker 2: But the only thing was that that evening I had




00:50:16

Speaker 2: to reach that place.




00:50:17

Speaker 2: If I were to look at breaking down the bigger




00:50:20

Speaker 2: ones into smaller ones, it makes it so easy. That's




00:50:24

Speaker 2: one lesson is what I would feel would be worth




00:50:28

Speaker 2: taking a note of that whenever something seems to be




00:50:33

Speaker 2: a very big




00:50:36

Speaker 2: just break it down, just make sure that, um, you're




00:50:39

Speaker 2: done with it. In fact, I'm now, um, listening to, uh,




00:50:43

Speaker 2: the book called as atomic habits for the second time. And, uh,




00:50:47

Speaker 2: I am, uh, I'm I'm surprised that whatever um, I've




00:50:51

Speaker 2: been doing is is, uh, there in this book. So




00:50:55

Speaker 2: that way, uh, breaking down makes a lot of sense.




00:51:00

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we that that is one book that has




00:51:02

Speaker 1: also changed my life. And, um, you know, um, contributed




00:51:07

Speaker 1: to how I, uh, coach other people when it comes to, uh,




00:51:11

Speaker 1: physical fitness And, uh, you know, general transformation,




00:51:14

Speaker 1: it is all about, um, you know, these taking these steps,




00:51:18

Speaker 1: it is all about the system you follow.




00:51:20

Speaker 1: Of course, the goal is important. Setting a big goal




00:51:23

Speaker 1: is important and having a purpose. And, uh, and a




00:51:26

Speaker 1: mission is important, which will energise you to, uh that will,




00:51:29

Speaker 1: you know, energise you to take those initial steps. But




00:51:33

Speaker 1: what really matters in, uh uh, when it comes to




00:51:37

Speaker 1: your journey of achieving big things is, uh, each step




00:51:41

Speaker 1: you take,




00:51:42

Speaker 1: it's all about taking one step after the other. And, uh,




00:51:45

Speaker 1: this is something valuable. I learned from this book. Also




00:51:48

Speaker 1: like that, uh uh, the author talks about, um




00:51:52

Speaker 1: you know, once you set the goal,




00:51:54

Speaker 1: you set the systems like, what do you really want




00:51:57

Speaker 1: to do to achieve that goal? What steps do you




00:51:59

Speaker 1: want to take?




00:52:02

Speaker 1: Right. And, uh, he also talks about a very special thing. Is, um,




00:52:07

Speaker 1: if you want to be fit,




00:52:10

Speaker 1: you have to become a fit person.




00:52:13

Speaker 1: You have to start acting like a fit person. And




00:52:16

Speaker 1: what does a fit person do is he has a system.




00:52:19

Speaker 1: He exercises regularly, he takes care of his diet.




00:52:22

Speaker 1: And, uh, he takes care of his roee and maintains




00:52:25

Speaker 1: a generally healthy lifestyle, which is, uh, something sustainable which, uh,




00:52:30

Speaker 1: he can follow for a long period of time. And




00:52:33

Speaker 1: that is what you need when you want to achieve




00:52:35

Speaker 1: your fitness goal or, for that matter, any big goal.




00:52:38

Speaker 1: You just just need to have that system something which




00:52:42

Speaker 1: you can follow and sustain for a long period of time.




00:52:45

Speaker 1: And, uh, which will, uh, keep you engaged and, uh uh,




00:52:48

Speaker 1: take you towards the end goal. Whatever. Is that?




00:52:52

Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely.




00:52:54

Speaker 1: And, um, I cannot help but, uh, draw a conclusion




00:52:58

Speaker 1: that anything and everything in your life, whatever you want




00:53:00

Speaker 1: to achieve, has the same basic set of principles.




00:53:05

Speaker 1: And if you apply those principles that will take you




00:53:09

Speaker 1: to your goal, this is what, uh, has been my




00:53:11

Speaker 1: own learning. And, uh, I'm happy to learn that you




00:53:15

Speaker 1: you have also drawn the same kind of lessons from




00:53:17

Speaker 1: your own experiences. And one more thing. I have to




00:53:20

Speaker 1: mention that you turned out to be crazier than what




00:53:23

Speaker 1: I thought. What I thought initially because I really did




00:53:26

Speaker 1: not know about your pad Yatra. I thought it is




00:53:28

Speaker 1: some patra you're doing, and maybe you've done it a




00:53:31

Speaker 1: couple of times, but 16 times is really amazing. And,




00:53:34

Speaker 1: uh




00:53:35

Speaker 1: uh, it seems like, uh, you know, craziness, uh, has




00:53:38

Speaker 1: been your has been your habit so far. Um, again,




00:53:43

Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing all your lessons. I




00:53:45

Speaker 1: think we have crossed the limit of, you know, the




00:53:48

Speaker 1: time limit of this, um,




00:53:50

Speaker 1: podcast. Whatever we planned earlier. Now I realise that there




00:53:54

Speaker 1: are so many things I need to ask you.




00:53:56

Speaker 1: And, um, I definitely want you to come back again




00:54:00

Speaker 1: in future. I definitely want to talk more about your, um,




00:54:05

Speaker 1: Kashmir to Kana Kumari adventure and a little more about them.




00:54:09

Speaker 1: You know, um, freedom from diabetes. But since you since




00:54:15

Speaker 1: you brought it up, can you just quickly talk about




00:54:18

Speaker 1: what is freedom from diabetes? And, um, what kind of




00:54:21

Speaker 1: work you did there and, uh, what kind of impact




00:54:24

Speaker 1: it is creating? Because I think this is something valuable that, uh,




00:54:28

Speaker 1: this information can help a lot of people.




00:54:31

Speaker 2: Yeah, even if it touches one diabetic and then he




00:54:34

Speaker 2: wishes to change. Then I think this podcast has done




00:54:37

Speaker 2: its job. Uh, freedom from diabetes is an organisation that




00:54:41

Speaker 2: I respect a lot. I worked there for 2.5 years.




00:54:44

Speaker 2: I joined as an exercise expert after completing my MS




00:54:48

Speaker 2: C yoga. And then I changed, uh, around 5 to




00:54:51

Speaker 2: 6 roles within the organisation within 2.5 years because it




00:54:54

Speaker 2: was so challenging, it was growing very well. Uh, Doctor Pramod,




00:54:59

Speaker 2: who is the founder of freedom from diabetes, always says




00:55:02

Speaker 2: that lifestyle disorders are because of lifestyle challenges




00:55:07

Speaker 2: because of wrong lifestyle. If you take care of the lifestyle,




00:55:12

Speaker 2: the disorders also disappear. So it's about reversal of diabetes




00:55:17

Speaker 2: or remission of diabetes. Many people, uh, play with this world,




00:55:22

Speaker 2: but then what it is is just think of this way.




00:55:25

Speaker 2: There is a car that is going, uh, uphill, and, uh,




00:55:29

Speaker 2: when you when it comes, starts coming back, you say




00:55:31

Speaker 2: that it's in the reverse mode, right?




00:55:33

Speaker 2: So the same way, uh, if your energy levels are decreasing,




00:55:37

Speaker 2: if your medicines are increasing If, uh, you are, uh,




00:55:42

Speaker 2: urinating a lot So then this is the car is




00:55:45

Speaker 2: going this way. Then once you start fixing your lifestyle,




00:55:48

Speaker 2: it starts coming back. As in, your medicines are reducing.




00:55:52

Speaker 2: You are getting better sleep. Your urination problem is taken




00:55:55

Speaker 2: care of. So that's reverse reversal of diabetes and the




00:55:58

Speaker 2: symptoms that are there with diabetes.




00:56:00

Speaker 2: So this is done through simple things, like changing the




00:56:03

Speaker 2: food that you're eating, having better knowledge of what to eat,




00:56:07

Speaker 2: What not to eat these days. There are so many




00:56:09

Speaker 2: suggestions that come on YouTube on WhatsApp, but you need




00:56:14

Speaker 2: to follow one mentor, one system, give it one year




00:56:17

Speaker 2: of time and follow dedicated. And because of that, more




00:56:22

Speaker 2: than 15 people have reversed their diabetes,




00:56:25

Speaker 2: and they are free from medicines. In fact, the the




00:56:29

Speaker 2: fun part is, uh, towards the end. Once, uh, you




00:56:32

Speaker 2: have reversed the diabetes, there's something called a GB test,




00:56:35

Speaker 2: so you're given 2345 JB and you are made to eat.




00:56:39

Speaker 2: And without medicines, your blood sugar is normal because your




00:56:43

Speaker 2: body has become so strong from within that it is




00:56:46

Speaker 2: able to take care of so much load of sugar




00:56:48

Speaker 2: that is coming into it. In fact, the next step




00:56:51

Speaker 2: is glucose tolerance test glucose tolerance test is you are




00:56:54

Speaker 2: given 75 grammes of sugar




00:56:57

Speaker 2: And, uh, you made to eat that sugar and then




00:57:00

Speaker 2: even after two hours of not having medicine, you should




00:57:04

Speaker 2: be out of medication. And even after two hours, the




00:57:06

Speaker 2: blood sugars are normal. So that's the epitome of reaching




00:57:10

Speaker 2: a stage where your body is capable of taking those




00:57:12

Speaker 2: shocks that come in through high sugars.




00:57:15

Speaker 2: So freedom from diabetes is doing a great work. Uh,




00:57:19

Speaker 2: I suggest the viewers to look at so many free




00:57:22

Speaker 2: resources available on YouTube. Um, which are available, um, from




00:57:27

Speaker 2: freedom from diabetes and many other organisations. Just start doing




00:57:31

Speaker 2: those smaller changes,




00:57:32

Speaker 2: understand the basics. Start working on your health. You will.




00:57:37

Speaker 2: Your identity will change Like, uh, other was saying, If




00:57:41

Speaker 2: your earlier identity is that you are a diabetic, a




00:57:44

Speaker 2: diabetic identity is that you will go into a wedding.




00:57:47

Speaker 2: You will say that No to sweets. Um, from that




00:57:50

Speaker 2: you will change to a normal person or, um, you




00:57:53

Speaker 2: will be a gymer. You will be Yogi, you will




00:57:56

Speaker 2: be a cyclist. You will




00:57:57

Speaker 2: not say that I am diabetic. You will say that




00:57:59

Speaker 2: I'm a cyclist. I'm a I'm a jogger. I'm a runner,




00:58:03

Speaker 2: so these kind of changes will happen. Your identity will




00:58:07

Speaker 2: shift from being a diabetic to somebody who is non




00:58:10

Speaker 2: diabetic or who is a, uh, gym. Um uh, G Who?




00:58:15

Speaker 2: Who wants a gym body. So those identity shift will happen.




00:58:20

Speaker 2: So if I were to conclude this




00:58:23

Speaker 2: lifestyle disorders are because of the first word, which is




00:58:27

Speaker 2: improper lifestyle, change it and you will have a new




00:58:30

Speaker 2: identity for yourself.




00:58:32

Speaker 1: That's really humongous. Like, um, it has affected 15 people.




00:58:37

Speaker 1: I can see. Um, it's not a number. It's not




00:58:39

Speaker 1: just a number of 15 people. I can see how




00:58:42

Speaker 1: it might have impacted their life and the life of, uh,




00:58:46

Speaker 1: their family,




00:58:48

Speaker 1: right. And, uh, you know, it comes with a lot




00:58:50

Speaker 1: of pain. A lot of, um




00:58:52

Speaker 1: you know, um, lot of, uh, money is being spent




00:58:57

Speaker 1: on the disease, and, uh, lot of, uh, you know,




00:59:01

Speaker 1: heartburn and, uh, issues that that come with the lifestyle issue, like, uh, diabetes.




00:59:08

Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure that person went on to, um,




00:59:12

Speaker 1: change himself. And not only that his family members will




00:59:16

Speaker 1: also have changed.




00:59:18

Speaker 1: And probably it might have prevented a lot of people




00:59:21

Speaker 1: from becoming diabetic. And, uh, diabetes is something which could be,




00:59:25

Speaker 1: you know, mm uh, passed down to, you know, the,




00:59:29

Speaker 1: You know, uh, through genes. It is, um, kind of, uh,




00:59:32

Speaker 1: proclivity to have this, uh, diabetes, That, uh, a person




00:59:36

Speaker 1: who is diabetic. His Children may also suffer with diabetes and,




00:59:40

Speaker 1: uh uh by, you know, creating this awareness and teaching




00:59:44

Speaker 1: them




00:59:45

Speaker 1: the right way of, uh, you know, eating and the




00:59:48

Speaker 1: right way of life. Um, I think, uh, freedom from diabetes, uh,




00:59:53

Speaker 1: is doing a humongous job. Yeah. In




00:59:56

Speaker 2: fact, uh, this this What do you mentioned? Dr Pramod




00:59:59

Speaker 2: and Doctor Neil Bernard, who is a very well known




01:00:01

Speaker 2: personality in this field. He says that Just think of




01:00:04

Speaker 2: a gun. OK, this gun is there. It's like you




01:00:08

Speaker 2: and your Children will inherit this gun. But to fire




01:00:11

Speaker 2: this gun or not, it depends on your lifestyle.




01:00:14

Speaker 2: Even though you have diabetes, it is there in your genes.




01:00:17

Speaker 2: You're passing on the skin to your child. But then




01:00:19

Speaker 2: whether with your son, fire it or not. Depends on




01:00:22

Speaker 2: what kind of lifestyle he or she adopts. So lifestyle




01:00:26

Speaker 2: adoption is a personal choice. Uh, genes are there, but




01:00:30

Speaker 2: then to turn it on or not is our personal choice.




01:00:33

Speaker 1: Yeah. True. True. Like, uh, if you, uh, train your




01:00:36

Speaker 1: Children to use the gun and use it responsibly and




01:00:40

Speaker 1: use it, um,




01:00:41

Speaker 1: and also teach them when to use it and when




01:00:44

Speaker 1: not to use it. Uh, that is what you know.




01:00:46

Speaker 1: That's kind of debate that goes on in the US. Uh,




01:00:49

Speaker 1: but not here in India. Guns are not so common, but, uh,




01:00:52

Speaker 1: I




01:00:53

Speaker 2: corollary to saying that, um, the the gun is there,




01:00:56

Speaker 2: but if you don't load the gun, it will not fire.




01:00:58

Speaker 2: So that way, if you don't, if you change your




01:01:00

Speaker 2: lifestyle such that, uh, the gun is not loaded. So




01:01:04

Speaker 2: then it will not even fire.




01:01:05

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. True. Like it's, uh, if I want to, um,




01:01:10

Speaker 1: put it in the scientific way. Like, genes are nothing, but, uh,




01:01:13

Speaker 1: these are the operating system of our body. And, uh,




01:01:16

Speaker 1: what kind of application you load application is, um, your




01:01:19

Speaker 1: habits and your lifestyle. And what you do in your life,




01:01:22

Speaker 1: what you eat. What is the kind of activities. You do? Uh,




01:01:26

Speaker 1: that is the application, which you're running on your life.




01:01:29

Speaker 1: And based on that application, the operating system does its job,




01:01:33

Speaker 1: and the natural response of your body is to become diabetic.




01:01:36

Speaker 1: If you're not following the right kind of lifestyle,




01:01:39

Speaker 1: it's good that I brought this up. And, uh, I'm, uh,




01:01:43

Speaker 1: happy that, uh, I didn't miss this part. So that,




01:01:46

Speaker 1: you know, listeners who are listening to this they may




01:01:49

Speaker 1: have diabetic people around them. They themselves may be diabetic,




01:01:52

Speaker 1: and this might help, uh, end up helping them. Like




01:01:55

Speaker 1: you said, even one person gets benefited from this. Then,




01:01:58

Speaker 1: uh




01:01:59

Speaker 1: um, Then I would consider this podcast as a success.




01:02:02

Speaker 1: That brings us to, uh, the close, which is, uh,




01:02:06

Speaker 1: I would say inevitable because we are short of time. Uh,




01:02:09

Speaker 1: we I would like you to like to part away, uh,




01:02:13

Speaker 1: from this, uh, podcast, uh, by sharing, uh, some of your, um,




01:02:19

Speaker 1: insights of life, I would say, or your advice to




01:02:22

Speaker 1: men who are stuck in the They may be stuck




01:02:27

Speaker 1: in the




01:02:27

Speaker 1: right race, or




01:02:30

Speaker 1: they may not be, um, fulfilled in their life, or




01:02:34

Speaker 1: they may be struggling with finding a purpose in their life,




01:02:37

Speaker 1: or they may be doing well or they may be




01:02:40

Speaker 1: doing fine, but they could do better. What kind of advice? Or, um,




01:02:45

Speaker 1: you know, takeaway points. Do you like to give to




01:02:49

Speaker 1: the listeners?




01:02:51

Speaker 2: OK, I'll give only one. I'll share my thoughts rather




01:02:56

Speaker 2: than it being an advice. Start donating, donating your time,




01:03:01

Speaker 2: donating your time to something which you resonate with. It




01:03:06

Speaker 2: could be donating your time to a charity to an




01:03:10

Speaker 2: organisation one hour a week on the weekend, so that




01:03:14

Speaker 2: starts opening up your horizon.




01:03:17

Speaker 2: You're not stuck in that rat race, just thinking that




01:03:20

Speaker 2: this is life. This is how I need to go.




01:03:23

Speaker 2: So when you broaden your horizon, many possibilities start coming.




01:03:26

Speaker 2: Many opportunities start coming in your way,




01:03:29

Speaker 2: so make sure that one hour of the week is




01:03:33

Speaker 2: for somebody else. It's not for yourself. It's not for




01:03:35

Speaker 2: your wife, not for kids, but somebody else who is




01:03:38

Speaker 2: not part of your family. And you are contributing that




01:03:41

Speaker 2: one hour you're donating one hour of your time of your, uh,




01:03:44

Speaker 2: week and that, I think, would be the start point




01:03:49

Speaker 2: to escape the midlife crisis that many, uh, professionals who




01:03:55

Speaker 2: have done there who've been working for a decade or




01:03:58

Speaker 2: two decades might be facing. So just take this one




01:04:02

Speaker 2: step of one hour every week, and things will start




01:04:06

Speaker 2: opening up for you. The world is will be yours then.




01:04:10

Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Uh, Vera, that's an amazing, uh, suggestion. Um,




01:04:15

Speaker 1: I would like one more thing from you. There may




01:04:18

Speaker 1: be people who are going through tough times. There may




01:04:21

Speaker 1: be people who may be feeling their life is meaningless,




01:04:26

Speaker 1: who may be feeling stuck or, uh,




01:04:30

Speaker 1: who may be feeling, uh, you know, uh, unfulfilled. And




01:04:33

Speaker 1: they may be in a lot of pain. Or, uh,




01:04:35

Speaker 1: they may be thinking, um, like there is, um there




01:04:39

Speaker 1: is no way out of it.




01:04:41

Speaker 1: Can you give one advice to those kind of people?




01:04:44

Speaker 2: OK, so because




01:04:46

Speaker 1: what you what you talked about is giving your time




01:04:48

Speaker 1: to other people giving, uh, you know, donating your time




01:04:51

Speaker 1: and effort to some other cause. But there are people




01:04:54

Speaker 1: who need help the help in their own life, like




01:04:58

Speaker 1: they may be struggling in their life. Uh, can you




01:05:00

Speaker 1: give one advice to those people so that they can




01:05:03

Speaker 1: come out of, uh, whatever ditch they are in. And, uh,




01:05:06

Speaker 1: you know, find more, uh,




01:05:09

Speaker 1: meaning and purpose in their life and start adding value




01:05:12

Speaker 1: to other people's




01:05:14

Speaker 2: I I'll just relate this to one of the examples. Uh,




01:05:17

Speaker 2: how the same advice of one hour. Um, donating one




01:05:20

Speaker 2: hour will help. It was, uh, we were travelling through




01:05:23

Speaker 2: Rajasthan and, uh, in one of the places, uh, we




01:05:27

Speaker 2: were hosted by a family who were living in a




01:05:29

Speaker 2: one bedroom house, and it was very cold, I think




01:05:32

Speaker 2: eight degrees in the night. And, uh, we were given




01:05:35

Speaker 2: the bedroom where we could have slept. And, uh, we




01:05:39

Speaker 2: were very comfortable, cosy.




01:05:41

Speaker 2: And in the morning when we wake up, we asked




01:05:43

Speaker 2: the host Where were they sleeping? And I was I




01:05:47

Speaker 2: was really moved when they said that all the four




01:05:51

Speaker 2: of them were sleeping on the ground in the kitchen




01:05:54

Speaker 2: where it was very cold,




01:05:56

Speaker 2: and it moved me because they wanted us to see comfortable.




01:06:00

Speaker 2: They gave up their bedroom to us and they were




01:06:02

Speaker 2: sleeping on the ground in the kitchen.




01:06:05

Speaker 2: Now, when you look at people like those you feel




01:06:08

Speaker 2: you're much more fortunate than them. You feel moved by




01:06:12

Speaker 2: the sacrifices that they do for you. When you look




01:06:16

Speaker 2: at people who are not so fortunate, you feel that




01:06:19

Speaker 2: you are more fortunate.




01:06:21

Speaker 2: So if there are two lines, how do you make




01:06:24

Speaker 2: one line shorter either by rubbing that line or extending




01:06:27

Speaker 2: the other line so that this line becomes shorter? This




01:06:30

Speaker 2: line looks like short. So start contributing that time and




01:06:35

Speaker 2: effort to others, and then you will see that you




01:06:37

Speaker 2: are doing a great job. And the, uh, meaningful blessings




01:06:42

Speaker 2: that you start getting will make you motivated to come




01:06:46

Speaker 2: out of it. In fact,




01:06:47

Speaker 2: just look at my life as, um, two sides of




01:06:52

Speaker 2: one coin. So right now I have shown you that




01:06:55

Speaker 2: coin where I'm confident I have done so many things




01:06:57

Speaker 2: in life. But in the month of January, I've been




01:07:00

Speaker 2: struggling with procrastination. I was not able to do many




01:07:03

Speaker 2: things which I thought I will be doing. So that




01:07:05

Speaker 2: was the worst side of the coin, which I'm not




01:07:07

Speaker 2: shown yet. But I know that life is a sinusoidally curve.




01:07:12

Speaker 2: There will be ebbs. There will be troughs. There will




01:07:15

Speaker 2: be highs. There will be lows. But the only thing




01:07:17

Speaker 2: is that if you're at the ebb of the life




01:07:21

Speaker 2: or if you're at the lowest point, the only thing




01:07:23

Speaker 2: that can happen is




01:07:25

Speaker 2: a high point when it is dark. The next thing




01:07:28

Speaker 2: that can only happen if you wait is the morning brightness.




01:07:33

Speaker 2: And don't think happiness will be there forever. If you




01:07:36

Speaker 2: are happy, if it is bright, it is going to




01:07:38

Speaker 2: be dark. So accept life as it is coming. And




01:07:42

Speaker 2: then make sure that you wait for the next change




01:07:44

Speaker 2: that's happening. Just hold on. Just hold on. Keep contributing.




01:07:49

Speaker 2: Keep moving. On a lighter note, Johnny Walker said, Keep walking.




01:07:55

Speaker 2: That's really




01:07:55

Speaker 1: beautiful way you put it. Uh, so the gist of




01:07:59

Speaker 1: it is like, uh, when you are at the bottom,




01:08:01

Speaker 1: the only way is going up. Thank you so much




01:08:05

Speaker 1: for sharing that lesson. Uh, we, um last but not




01:08:09

Speaker 1: the least. If people want to connect with you, uh,




01:08:12

Speaker 1: look into your work what you do. How can they




01:08:15

Speaker 1: get in touch with you?




01:08:17

Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, thank you so much. A, um I can




01:08:20

Speaker 2: help holistic health coaches um, go online. I can help.




01:08:24

Speaker 2: If anybody has challenges with their help, I can connect




01:08:27

Speaker 2: them with the relevant holistic health coaches. So, uh, Veer




01:08:30

Speaker 2: Maran Kulkarni is my name. You can search for me




01:08:32

Speaker 2: on Facebook. You can send a direct message, and my




01:08:35

Speaker 2: email address is veer VE ER at the rate veer kulkarni.com,




01:08:40

Speaker 2: you can send me an email as well, and, uh,




01:08:42

Speaker 2: we will be in touch, and I'll help you. Whatever




01:08:45

Speaker 2: your chat




01:08:46

Speaker 2: changes are, um, how to come out of that? In




01:08:49

Speaker 2: whatever little that I have known about life and in




01:08:53

Speaker 2: whatever little way I can contribute, I will feel myself




01:08:56

Speaker 2: fortunate to do that. And thank you others for giving




01:08:58

Speaker 2: this opportunity and ability to connect with your audience. Thank




01:09:02

Speaker 2: you so much.




01:09:03

Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Ve I'm honoured that you came here.




01:09:05

Speaker 1: You spent so much time, uh, time here and, uh,




01:09:08

Speaker 1: you know, really shared all your lessons and, uh, experiences




01:09:11

Speaker 1: with our listeners. And I can watch for this that




01:09:14

Speaker 1: Weir is a very, very helpful person. He is very energetic,




01:09:17

Speaker 1: as you may already know now, by listening to his




01:09:20

Speaker 1: voice and, uh, if someday this comes out as a video.




01:09:23

Speaker 1: We'll also see him, uh uh, in a video. And, uh,




01:09:27

Speaker 1: you can, uh, see. He's very ener energetic, And, um,




01:09:30

Speaker 1: he's very authentic.




01:09:32

Speaker 1: And, uh, believe me, he has helped me a lot.




01:09:34

Speaker 1: I mean, uh, when it comes to these matters, he




01:09:36

Speaker 1: has helped me, and, um Yeah, well, I'm really honoured




01:09:41

Speaker 1: that you, uh you were here today and, uh, give




01:09:44

Speaker 1: you time to time to me, and I'll make sure that, um,




01:09:47

Speaker 1: all your contact information,




01:09:50

Speaker 1: your email and all I'll link it in the description




01:09:53

Speaker 1: so that, uh, people can access it whenever they listen




01:09:57

Speaker 1: to this episode, and they feel like they can get




01:09:59

Speaker 1: connected with you again. Thank you so much.




01:10:02

Speaker 2: You a, uh, for being my fitness coach, guiding me




01:10:05

Speaker 2: in my fitness journey. Thank you so much.




01:10:07

Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Ve That's, uh, really, really humble




01:10:11

Speaker 1: of you know, you to, uh, acknowledge me. Thank you




01:10:14

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