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[00:00:00] Hi guys, you are listening to the 13th episode of Pop Sanskriti
[00:00:05] I wish there was a horror element to it
[00:00:07] Dun dun dun
[00:00:09] There you have it
[00:00:11] So as you know Pop Sanskriti is a pop culture podcast
[00:00:15] And I have a bunch of pop enthusiast colleagues
[00:00:20] who joined me in this podcast
[00:00:22] We talk about it all the time, lunch kate time
[00:00:25] So basically we just take away the lunch box and put it recorded right now
[00:00:28] That's the only difference
[00:00:30] So let me introduce you to these guys
[00:00:32] Papri
[00:00:33] Hello guys
[00:00:34] Manvi
[00:00:35] Hi guys
[00:00:36] Devina
[00:00:37] Hi
[00:00:38] And Bacha who doesn't visit us that often but decided to
[00:00:40] Thank you so much for having me on board here
[00:00:52] So we are discussing three things today
[00:00:55] We are discussing Leela
[00:00:58] Which has raked up a lot of controversy
[00:01:00] We are also discussing Kavish Singh which has pissed off a lot of women
[00:01:03] And men actually
[00:01:05] Yes, no no no a lot of men
[00:01:07] Hashtag some men
[00:01:08] And the final segment will be about Doctor Shows
[00:01:12] Why?
[00:01:13] We'll tell you when we discuss the segment
[00:01:15] Why we decided to talk about Doctor Shows
[00:01:17] But it's going to be fun
[00:01:19] Alright so we'll start with Leela
[00:01:27] Jaya aaya
[00:01:38] She didn't get married outside her community
[00:01:46] And for those who don't know about what's happening in the world of pop culture
[00:01:51] Just give a brief introduction to what Leela is about
[00:01:54] So it's a series directed
[00:01:56] Only two of the episodes are directed by Deepa Mehta
[00:01:59] It's on Netflix and it's based on a book by
[00:02:03] Pryag Akbar
[00:02:04] By Pryag Akbar that only Manvi has read
[00:02:09] And it's based on a dystopian version of India
[00:02:14] Where there's actually no India but we have a society called Aryawad
[00:02:18] It's got no water
[00:02:19] It's very precious there's no clean air
[00:02:21] And the communities are divided according to other cast as well as religion
[00:02:26] And there are specific walls that you can't
[00:02:28] Purity is one of the most important themes that we see right from the beginning of the episode
[00:02:33] When I was actually checking out the trailer that was a while back
[00:02:37] I remember it being flooded with all these troll comments
[00:02:41] That Netflix, I'm just canceling it
[00:02:44] I'm never watching Netflix, moving on to Prime, Hotstar
[00:02:48] And I think it's got more dislikes
[00:02:51] Yesterday I checked it again for how many dislikes it had
[00:02:54] And 19,000 that's more than the likes it has
[00:02:57] So since we are in the newsroom and since when any of us get trolled
[00:03:03] We're like okay we're doing the right thing
[00:03:05] That's a general notion in the newsroom
[00:03:07] Do you guys think that Leela is also doing something right?
[00:03:10] It's definitely done something right
[00:03:13] To be able to get these troll comments
[00:03:16] See what I feel is that if you read the comments you will feel
[00:03:19] There's this old Hindi kahawat, chaur ki daadi mein tinka
[00:03:24] So what I feel is that A they are not directly targeting anybody
[00:03:28] Through be it the storyline, be it the way the show has been produced
[00:03:32] They are not saying, they are not pointing fingers also
[00:03:35] But the thing is the kind of response they have been getting
[00:03:37] Especially from the trolls, the so called bhakts
[00:03:41] It's like they are owning it
[00:03:43] Yeah, they are owning it, bro, we are the ones
[00:03:45] Yeah, they are targeting us
[00:03:46] It's maybe the show has been designed in a way
[00:03:49] So that people get this handkey boss
[00:03:51] Slowly and steadily our society might end up
[00:03:54] Which we are not saying
[00:03:55] But then hopefully not
[00:03:57] Good timing after the elections also
[00:03:59] But I think this is what since I have read the book
[00:04:02] And the book came out about two years ago
[00:04:04] Much before whatever happened on the 23rd of May
[00:04:07] With these elections
[00:04:08] So the book doesn't take into
[00:04:10] Or doesn't have a very specific idea of what this nation is
[00:04:14] So the book doesn't have a name called Aryavrat
[00:04:17] There are some elements that are there in the show
[00:04:19] That you can clearly see are either imagined upon
[00:04:22] From the narratives that are there in the book
[00:04:25] Because the director thought that this would
[00:04:27] Fit into a certain political narrative
[00:04:29] And which is why I found the show to not be as powerful
[00:04:32] As the book
[00:04:33] Because the thing is when you think of dystopia
[00:04:35] What makes it more powerful is that the skin
[00:04:37] Happened any type
[00:04:39] And the skin happened to anyone
[00:04:40] And there are no villains here
[00:04:42] It is just despair all around
[00:04:43] Which is basically how depressing dystopia is
[00:04:46] But here what I felt is because
[00:04:48] For whatever reasons they decided to make it
[00:04:50] Make it political
[00:04:51] So they were very clear villains versus
[00:04:54] Good, there was a very good versus evil
[00:04:57] Which I think made the show less powerful
[00:04:59] I'm coming from someone who loved the book when it released
[00:05:02] And I thought it was one of the good things
[00:05:04] That has happened to Indian speculative fiction
[00:05:06] And science fiction
[00:05:07] Because you have read the book
[00:05:08] I'll ask you that it was not your usual
[00:05:10] Key, you know
[00:05:11] It was necessary for it to be made into a TV show
[00:05:14] They didn't need it
[00:05:15] Yeah, for instance
[00:05:16] Like the book ends actually at a point where
[00:05:19] Shalini meets Leela in her former servant's home
[00:05:22] And that's where the book ends
[00:05:23] And it ends on a very despairing note
[00:05:25] Because there is no happy ending
[00:05:27] There is no possibility of a happy ending
[00:05:28] But the show takes it one episode further
[00:05:30] And has this Bollywood style face-off between
[00:05:32] Joshi Ji and Shalini
[00:05:33] With obviously a possibility for a second season
[00:05:35] Which I thought again diluted how it was
[00:05:39] So since you're talking about the book
[00:05:41] I was reading a bunch of reviews on Leela
[00:05:45] The shows reviews
[00:05:46] The shows reviews, yeah
[00:05:47] And this Raja Sen
[00:05:49] We know him to be a film critic
[00:05:50] And a director
[00:05:51] So I was reading his review
[00:05:53] And he writes that Deepa Mehta
[00:05:55] May be the kind of filmmaker
[00:05:57] Who needs to be kept away from books
[00:05:59] Case in point, Bidnai's Children
[00:06:01] So do you guys think that
[00:06:03] This is exactly what's happened in this show
[00:06:05] I wouldn't know
[00:06:06] Like I said
[00:06:08] That I've seen it in bits and pieces
[00:06:09] Unfortunately not in one single
[00:06:11] No, I completely agree
[00:06:13] I think it was just taking a very complex
[00:06:15] And an advanced book
[00:06:16] And making it into a quite simplified show
[00:06:19] With we might think that
[00:06:21] The politics of it is something that resonates right now
[00:06:23] And maybe it does
[00:06:25] But it felt a little unnecessary
[00:06:27] Like for having a character like Joshi Ji
[00:06:29] Or having a character like Rao
[00:06:32] Where you can clearly make those distinctions
[00:06:34] It just felt like it was forcing it a little too much
[00:06:37] I mean I'm a little scared for a suitable boy
[00:06:39] For TV adaptation now
[00:06:40] Because if this is what Indian directors do to books
[00:06:43] Then maybe they should stay away from other adaptations
[00:06:46] Another point which I feel is that
[00:06:47] When we talk about Kabir Singh
[00:06:49] I'm sure we'll be discussing about it
[00:06:51] Is creative liberty
[00:06:53] Like Manvi rightly said
[00:06:55] That book adaptation is there
[00:06:57] But still it feels that it has been
[00:06:59] Masalified in many places
[00:07:01] How loyal does it stay to it
[00:07:03] So clearly this is a case of creative liberty
[00:07:05] Where the director feels that
[00:07:07] I should add this element here
[00:07:09] Or add another shade of character
[00:07:11] Or maybe develop a scenario
[00:07:13] So what I feel is that
[00:07:14] This is debatable to what extent
[00:07:16] The director can take liberty
[00:07:18] When it comes to adapting a plot
[00:07:20] Into a movie or into a series
[00:07:22] When there's an original source
[00:07:24] That's a good point
[00:07:25] But I think the answer to that question is
[00:07:27] That as long as it doesn't dilute the essence of the book
[00:07:30] So if Leela is describing a dystopia
[00:07:32] And if you know that the abstractness
[00:07:35] Of that dystopia is what makes it powerful
[00:07:38] If you tell me that this can happen with anyone
[00:07:40] Like I felt that context was also missing
[00:07:42] That if in 2019 how do we get
[00:07:44] To something like a Narya Prad
[00:07:46] That is described in the book
[00:07:48] But in the show because I was watching it
[00:07:49] With my parents who haven't read the book
[00:07:51] They were like we didn't understand
[00:07:52] How these guys reached that
[00:07:53] Exactly I think this was one of my queries as well
[00:07:56] So what did you like Divina in terms of
[00:07:58] What the show represented about dystopia
[00:08:00] Were that do you think there were like
[00:08:02] Certain bits that were unexplained
[00:08:03] I almost bingeed the whole series
[00:08:05] Because it was pretty compelling
[00:08:07] And I think we played into what Manvi was talking about
[00:08:09] How they massalified it and how they made it
[00:08:12] Almost like a thriller
[00:08:14] Which when I haven't read the whole book
[00:08:17] But I remember and I was speaking to people who have
[00:08:19] Who said that the character of Shalini
[00:08:21] Is not the main character in that way
[00:08:24] Like she's not as in the movie
[00:08:26] They've shown her as it's her story
[00:08:28] You know and she's kind of
[00:08:30] Like she's doing whatever she has to
[00:08:31] To find her daughter but she's also sort of
[00:08:33] Standing up to the higher ups
[00:08:35] And she has this you know
[00:08:37] She's a rebel yeah
[00:08:39] Whereas in the book she's shown as someone
[00:08:41] Who just wants to get her daughter
[00:08:43] And isn't really you know fighting the system
[00:08:45] Here she's sort of taking it on
[00:08:47] Like there's this subplot with this other
[00:08:49] Abandoned girl that she finds
[00:08:51] And you know there's a whole
[00:08:52] It's her thing and you know it's really
[00:08:54] One person against the system
[00:08:55] There's a whole um
[00:08:56] Like the Siddharth character is not there
[00:08:58] In the book there is no hope for resistance
[00:09:00] Like that's why me reading the book
[00:09:02] Such a compelling insight
[00:09:03] Because you realise oh shit
[00:09:04] Everyone people you trusted also have
[00:09:07] Turned so there is no hope
[00:09:09] There is no resistance
[00:09:10] Which I realise now is making it
[00:09:12] Sounds very different
[00:09:13] Very different yeah
[00:09:14] It's a good one
[00:09:15] But still it's a good one
[00:09:17] In that in its bleakness
[00:09:19] In it's complete bleakness
[00:09:20] Whereas a film especially a Netflix film
[00:09:22] A film like it has to have some hope
[00:09:25] To resonate with the larger audience
[00:09:27] Also I feel the point was
[00:09:29] Deepa Mehta's point would have been to you know
[00:09:31] Just to see what after whatever happened in May
[00:09:34] Like 23rd and maybe it was to give us some hope
[00:09:37] That there is hope there is hope people
[00:09:39] We're not going to that dystopia yet
[00:09:41] The quintess also interviewed
[00:09:43] Deepa Mehta and Huma Kureshi
[00:09:45] Right after the release of Leila
[00:09:47] And she talks about why she picked dystopia
[00:09:50] As the theme for this series
[00:09:52] And I'm just going to play a small snippet
[00:09:54] For the full interview you can log on
[00:09:56] To the Quinn website and check out
[00:09:58] Entertainment section
[00:09:59] I want to ask you what appealed to you
[00:10:01] About this material in the first place
[00:10:03] Dystopia has always appealed to me
[00:10:05] I mean since I was a kid
[00:10:06] I remember reading 1984
[00:10:08] And being blown away
[00:10:10] And then being a fan of PD James
[00:10:13] Children of Men
[00:10:15] And then as I grew a little older
[00:10:17] I saw Blade Runner
[00:10:18] There was something that became
[00:10:20] Very obvious to me when I was growing up
[00:10:23] Was that how do you imagine the future
[00:10:26] You know we can always imagine the past
[00:10:29] Which is history is
[00:10:31] And part of imagination in fact
[00:10:33] But to imagine the future
[00:10:36] You have to know the present
[00:10:38] And there has to be something
[00:10:40] A whiff, a smell, a fragrant
[00:10:43] Or a seed that takes us into the future
[00:10:46] It can't exist without the present
[00:10:49] And there was something about this
[00:10:51] That really appealed to me
[00:10:53] The climate, the place of women
[00:10:55] How do we keep our dignity as humanity
[00:10:58] Pollution, the have, the have nots
[00:11:01] The creed, the caste, the division
[00:11:04] What's happening in the world
[00:11:06] Totalitarianism, authoritarianism
[00:11:09] And it's all over
[00:11:11] When you look at Venezuela
[00:11:13] You look at Trump
[00:11:15] You look at...
[00:11:17] It's not just, it's not right next to
[00:11:20] Or the confusion with Brexit right now
[00:11:23] It's too close to home
[00:11:25] So it felt that
[00:11:29] In order to retain our dignity
[00:11:31] Perhaps we should be cautioned about
[00:11:33] What is possible for all of us
[00:11:35] That's what attracted me
[00:11:37] I have a question for everyone
[00:11:39] Do you think when a book adaptation
[00:11:41] Does come out
[00:11:43] It compels people to read the book
[00:11:45] Or do people think that they have seen the adaptation
[00:11:47] So this is the only version of it
[00:11:49] See the book readers will read it
[00:11:51] The book readers will read it
[00:11:53] I'm talking in terms of Harry Potter
[00:11:55] Okay, I was thinking of Harry Potter
[00:11:57] Okay, it's a book and people are like
[00:11:59] No, I mean I watched the film
[00:12:01] No actually, go by stats
[00:12:03] You're wrong people
[00:12:05] Sales surged after each book was there
[00:12:07] Each film was released
[00:12:09] Their sales surged like anything
[00:12:11] Do you think the story that people will remember
[00:12:13] Is that of the screen or that of the book
[00:12:15] Depends, depends
[00:12:17] It's more powerful visual things
[00:12:19] Especially if you watch the thing and then read it
[00:12:21] The book stays with you
[00:12:23] That's why you can always go back to it immediately
[00:12:25] And I feel that book stays with you longer
[00:12:27] Okay, what I'm saying is
[00:12:29] If you watch the movie and then you
[00:12:31] Read the book in that order
[00:12:33] I'm going to be thinking of Shalini as
[00:12:35] Huma Gureshi and I'm going to have these visuals
[00:12:37] In my head and I'm going to imagine
[00:12:39] My Aryawat is now coloured
[00:12:41] It's not my own imagination of it
[00:12:43] And Praial's, like it's not mine and Praial's
[00:12:45] Earlier it would have been ours
[00:12:47] Now it's the timing when you've read the book
[00:12:49] For a after
[00:12:51] But also that
[00:12:53] TV series watchers are a larger
[00:12:55] Section of people than
[00:12:57] Actually the book readers
[00:12:59] Talking about books also
[00:13:01] Comparing it to Handmaid's tale
[00:13:03] And saying that this is a bland version
[00:13:05] Bleak version
[00:13:07] The number of people
[00:13:09] I had to correct on Twitter
[00:13:11] Because they kept going on about Handmaid's
[00:13:13] It's actually based off an Indian book
[00:13:15] Which is nothing like Handmaid's
[00:13:17] Because again the first episode
[00:13:19] Of Leela which is
[00:13:21] The most like Handmaid's tale
[00:13:23] With the red studies and everything
[00:13:25] That is not there in the book
[00:13:27] At least not to the extent where it would make you think
[00:13:29] The show producers had to do some homework
[00:13:31] Before doing that
[00:13:33] Our people buy a dystopian
[00:13:35] Ones as well so you just compare them
[00:13:37] Like they both fit into these
[00:13:39] Broad things of oh it's a dystopia
[00:13:41] And it's a female perspective
[00:13:43] So what is the worst thing?
[00:13:45] We'll make her like this carrier
[00:13:47] We'll trap her and whatever
[00:13:49] These very typical tropes
[00:13:51] You're not thinking out of the box
[00:13:53] So what else a female dystopia looks like
[00:13:55] Are people comparing it to the Handmaid's
[00:13:57] Definitely not the book
[00:13:59] Because I think they're talking about the shades
[00:14:01] They're talking about the visuals
[00:14:03] In the Handmaid's team
[00:14:05] The shades are very much there
[00:14:08] So I don't know if it's the colour of the clothes
[00:14:10] Because I didn't get to watch it
[00:14:12] Because Hulu is not available on India
[00:14:14] In case anybody is listening
[00:14:16] Yeah please do listen
[00:14:18] Get us some Hulu
[00:14:20] I can't watch the legit
[00:14:22] Because as much as I would like
[00:14:24] That people read more books
[00:14:26] I keep thinking that once a book is adapted
[00:14:28] The version of the story that remains in people's consciousness
[00:14:30] Is that of either the TV show or the film
[00:14:32] So Handmaid's still people will be like
[00:14:34] Hulu TV show and I'm like no the Margaret Advert Book
[00:14:36] Also you know controversy helps
[00:14:38] Like
[00:14:40] Case in point being Robert Langdon
[00:14:42] The character from Dan Brown's series
[00:14:44] So remember
[00:14:46] When Da Vinci's code was released
[00:14:48] And everybody
[00:14:50] Went gaga over boss
[00:14:52] Panna Padega to book panna padega
[00:14:54] And then they started reading
[00:14:56] And there was a whole cult following of Dan Brown
[00:14:58] I remember I was in college and we had this
[00:15:00] Like Abhi Robert Langdon series
[00:15:02] For me that would be
[00:15:04] Harry Potter
[00:15:06] Let me admit
[00:15:08] Harry Potter, indeed like order of the phoenix
[00:15:10] For the first book I read after following
[00:15:12] What?
[00:15:14] We just read the wrong order
[00:15:16] I love you like ordering
[00:15:18] Order of the inexcuses
[00:15:20] Two surface tones
[00:15:22] Reading choices, yes
[00:15:24] Thank you so much Manvi
[00:15:26] So honestly saying that it does have an effect
[00:15:28] On the viewers also like if you are actually
[00:15:30] Engrossed in the story so much you want to know what will happen
[00:15:32] Next and you know that movie will take some time
[00:15:34] To come out so you know there's a book out there
[00:15:36] With a script maybe with a plot maybe
[00:15:38] There's a section
[00:15:40] Of Game of Thrones fans who keep their
[00:15:42] Version of their
[00:15:44] Yeah they keep their version of
[00:15:46] What they read in the books and what they thought
[00:15:48] That art alive just for the sake of it
[00:15:50] Like Reddit threads flooded with
[00:15:52] Artwork which has no
[00:15:54] Harry Potter, yeah
[00:15:56] Made their own like series
[00:15:58] So many fan fiction
[00:16:00] Some of the fanfictions are better than the ending by the way
[00:16:02] But the thing is
[00:16:04] This short
[00:16:06] Leela had to also do a lot
[00:16:08] With environmental disaster
[00:16:10] Which I think is like something that doesn't come up
[00:16:12] Often in our political campaign
[00:16:14] Unfortunately
[00:16:16] But I felt that they
[00:16:18] Did not quite
[00:16:20] Give us the depth of that environmental damage
[00:16:22] I mean it starts with
[00:16:24] Water right
[00:16:26] There is no water
[00:16:28] And I would like to see more of
[00:16:30] How the people living
[00:16:32] At the labour camps actually get
[00:16:34] Water okay
[00:16:36] That's actually the thrust of the book
[00:16:38] The thrust of the book is the building of that aerodome
[00:16:40] For pure air and a real
[00:16:42] Horror so to speak of the book
[00:16:44] Is the idea that that pure air
[00:16:46] Is going to be available only to those people
[00:16:48] So that aerodome is not combustible or anything
[00:16:50] And there's no plan to
[00:16:52] Destroy people
[00:16:54] But the idea that the aerodome
[00:16:56] Is a book
[00:16:58] Hey what if somebody wants to read it
[00:17:00] We were just discussing that
[00:17:02] But I'm saying the environmental thrust
[00:17:04] Is much greater in the book
[00:17:06] Especially the crisis for water
[00:17:08] And especially the crisis for clean air
[00:17:10] Also what do they do to the boys
[00:17:12] I mean the men of you know
[00:17:14] Religious and intercast marriages
[00:17:16] Do they just kill them I don't know
[00:17:18] And why did Naz actually do the thing that he did
[00:17:20] Do you think they will discuss all these things in the next season
[00:17:22] I guess that's the build up they're trying to
[00:17:24] Go for it like is it
[00:17:26] That open ended in the book also
[00:17:28] Book ends right
[00:17:30] The book ends and the motivation of the people
[00:17:32] The book ends yes there are no seasons
[00:17:34] The book ends no but the motivation
[00:17:36] Of the people as far as Naz is concerned
[00:17:38] Is very clear and this question
[00:17:40] About what happens to the men
[00:17:42] Similarly ostracized and you see that
[00:17:44] When at least in the book you see
[00:17:46] Other couples also in the same
[00:17:48] Of course the idea that a woman
[00:17:50] Because she is someone who reproduces
[00:17:52] Is again there in the book
[00:17:54] But this I'm telling you
[00:17:56] The themes are much more sharper
[00:17:58] And the motivations of the people
[00:18:00] Are much more sharper in the books
[00:18:02] When you read the book you're like oh shit
[00:18:04] And you definitely get more scared
[00:18:06] So then to encapsulate this segment
[00:18:08] The verdict is that show achha hai likin kitap padho
[00:18:10] And my honest question is
[00:18:12] Is it Leela or Lela
[00:18:14] Dude I don't know I
[00:18:16] I read it as L.E. I like Leela
[00:18:18] Everybody called it Leela when the book
[00:18:20] Released okay so
[00:18:22] It's a proper noun
[00:18:24] It's a proper noun
[00:18:26] And you can pronounce it in whatever way
[00:18:28] As we would never know because
[00:18:30] The fictional character so we would never know
[00:18:32] How she would pronounce it
[00:18:34] Moving on onto our next segment
[00:18:36] I got to play some hard rock music here
[00:18:38] Because we are moving on to a segment
[00:18:40] Which talks about
[00:18:42] Da da da da da
[00:18:44] Kabir Singh
[00:18:46] That's why we need Bachchan the show more often
[00:18:48] Because otherwise we wouldn't be able to play
[00:18:50] Sound of a song
[00:18:52] Otherwise musical transitions are added in the edit
[00:18:54] Shiva listen
[00:18:56] You came to your clinic
[00:18:58] And there was a girl there
[00:19:00] Please please bro don't do this
[00:19:02] Hey what am I asking you
[00:19:04] What are you saying
[00:19:06] Daily Leela or Lela
[00:19:08] Kabir
[00:19:18] Rocket alcohol
[00:19:20] I forgot about this
[00:19:22] I won't come
[00:19:24] I won't come
[00:19:26] I won't come
[00:19:28] So we are discussing
[00:19:30] Kabir Singh in the second segment
[00:19:32] It's starting
[00:19:34] Shahid Kapoor and Kiara Adwani
[00:19:36] I mean God she's gone through a
[00:19:38] Great transition
[00:19:40] I remember the last time I saw her
[00:19:42] Was the person who actually got an orgasm
[00:19:44] On screen
[00:19:46] And now she's just I just saw the trailer
[00:19:48] And she's just being dragged around everywhere
[00:19:50] So I'm like okay good transition
[00:19:52] So this film
[00:19:54] A little description of this film
[00:19:56] And I didn't watch it to be fair
[00:19:58] Full disclaimer
[00:20:00] I've seen both Arjun Reddy and
[00:20:02] Oh great I've seen Arjun Reddy and Bitsan Pee
[00:20:04] This film is a remake of Arjun Reddy
[00:20:06] And it's been directed by Sandeep Reddy
[00:20:08] Vanga
[00:20:10] And Shahid plays the role of
[00:20:12] Kabir Singh who is a self-destructive
[00:20:14] Medical student
[00:20:16] So destructive is an understatement
[00:20:18] With anger issues and from the trailer
[00:20:20] It seemed to me that he was
[00:20:22] A bit of an obnoxious alpha male
[00:20:24] Right and that
[00:20:26] I'm going to say bit because I can't
[00:20:28] Have the full conviction because I didn't watch it
[00:20:30] I thought it might misogynistic us
[00:20:32] The reason we are discussing this
[00:20:34] It's triggered a lot of debates
[00:20:36] And it's not so much
[00:20:38] People are not really paying attention to
[00:20:40] What the music scene is
[00:20:42] How the direction scale is
[00:20:44] How the acting
[00:20:46] But people are like why did you make this?
[00:20:48] So let's talk about the debates
[00:20:50] Some people are saying that
[00:20:52] There are black characters
[00:20:54] There are grey characters
[00:20:56] White characters
[00:20:58] So our ten cinema will represent all these characters
[00:21:00] So what's the problem in representing
[00:21:02] A character like Kabir Singh?
[00:21:04] So I think it's great to portray
[00:21:06] Flawed characters
[00:21:08] And dark characters
[00:21:10] And those kind of things
[00:21:12] But the debate for me comes from
[00:21:14] The director choices that you make
[00:21:16] If you are showing
[00:21:18] A character who is a potential
[00:21:20] Rapist like in the first scene
[00:21:22] He's introduced with that
[00:21:24] And there is glorifying music playing
[00:21:26] In the background
[00:21:28] And he is your hero
[00:21:30] Show him as this is the surgeon
[00:21:32] Or whatever and he's
[00:21:34] This crazy narcissist
[00:21:36] Violent misogynist
[00:21:38] But if you are constantly saying
[00:21:40] That he is also a hero
[00:21:42] And he also gets the girl
[00:21:44] And let's empathize with his problems
[00:21:46] And also make him our hero
[00:21:48] That's the problem
[00:21:50] Show him but don't
[00:21:52] Make him the hero
[00:21:54] And make him get the girl
[00:21:56] That's really pretty flawed
[00:21:58] And then Devena's argument
[00:22:00] And say that it's also very possible
[00:22:02] For your protagonist of your film
[00:22:04] To be a villain or a complete
[00:22:06] Or even a misogynistic
[00:22:08] Self-destructive idiot
[00:22:10] But what is important is
[00:22:12] When you're telling a story
[00:22:14] In the sense that you tell the story
[00:22:16] In a way that you know
[00:22:18] That he, that is a problem
[00:22:20] Like Devena said
[00:22:22] Your directorial choices
[00:22:24] Or the music that you are using
[00:22:26] Sit self-aware
[00:22:28] For instance, a great example
[00:22:30] Is Devdi
[00:22:32] Which is based off again, Devdas
[00:22:34] Again a fairly loserish misogynistic character
[00:22:36] But when you see Devdas
[00:22:38] Or Devdi
[00:22:40] In all its iterations
[00:22:42] And things like that
[00:22:44] What you remember the most
[00:22:46] Is an awareness that this guy is a loser
[00:22:48] You also remember the great dialogues
[00:22:50] And the great perspective that you see
[00:22:52] From Chandramukhi and Paro
[00:22:54] Walk away from the film
[00:22:56] Walk away from the film not thinking
[00:22:58] What was that hero
[00:23:00] He's a very cool guy
[00:23:02] Walk away from the film thinking
[00:23:04] Also the biggest takeaway
[00:23:06] From there was that it reaches somewhere
[00:23:08] Honestly for me
[00:23:10] With all that
[00:23:12] Was there to rage about the film
[00:23:14] One thing I raged the most about
[00:23:16] Is that it basically went
[00:23:18] Nowhere with the character
[00:23:20] Like you from the beginning till the end
[00:23:22] He was an Ehol
[00:23:24] And he stayed
[00:23:26] And there was nothing that changed in his life for that
[00:23:28] It is very flat
[00:23:30] It just stayed that
[00:23:32] It just went up and down in that Eholness
[00:23:34] But Devdas also in a lot of iterations doesn't let go
[00:23:36] Of his arrogance till the very end
[00:23:38] What you see the other characters in Devdas
[00:23:40] There is no character development
[00:23:42] Even for Devdas
[00:23:44] But the film making is such
[00:23:46] That you are aware that this guy
[00:23:48] Is self-destructive
[00:23:50] Or if I self-destructive behaviour
[00:23:52] When you treat women not as human beings
[00:23:54] This is again can I just please say
[00:23:56] The thing that tires me the most
[00:23:58] About this Kavir Singh debate
[00:24:00] Which I didn't even want to participate in for the longest time
[00:24:02] Is that I am tired of making
[00:24:04] The same argument in 2019
[00:24:06] The very basic expectation that Hindi films
[00:24:08] Or Hindi cinema should treat
[00:24:10] Women as human beings
[00:24:12] I am not saying only give her some lines
[00:24:14] Or the qualification
[00:24:16] Or the bar for it is not that
[00:24:18] She should not be mute
[00:24:20] The bar for it is that she should have a little bit
[00:24:22] Of context and background
[00:24:24] I have seen this in films
[00:24:26] Especially in Ranbir Kapoor films like Tamasha
[00:24:28] Where we know nothing about Tipe Kapadho Kone's character
[00:24:30] Except that she is just there to save
[00:24:32] Ranbir Kapoor
[00:24:34] Which I am just like can we please
[00:24:36] Not do this to women on screen anymore
[00:24:38] We also have a man in the panel
[00:24:40] Nice
[00:24:42] Nice contrast
[00:24:44] Thank you so much
[00:24:46] For introducing me as the man
[00:24:48] In the panel
[00:24:50] But my problem with the movie is that
[00:24:52] The thing is that I have seen Arjun Reddy
[00:24:54] I have seen Kavir Singh
[00:24:56] And I did an honest review also
[00:24:58] Now first thing first
[00:25:00] Problem which I have
[00:25:02] Yes I got trolled like anything
[00:25:04] And people were very honest
[00:25:06] So my point is
[00:25:08] A, here
[00:25:10] Problem is that people feel
[00:25:12] When you are criticizing the movie
[00:25:14] That it is acting and people are taking it personally
[00:25:16] Saying that what has Shahid done
[00:25:18] His best role in his life
[00:25:20] My point is
[00:25:22] Here we are not criticizing Shahid Kapoor
[00:25:24] Or his acting skills or his prowess
[00:25:26] Or anything
[00:25:28] We are talking about the plot, the whole storyline
[00:25:30] My point is that you do good
[00:25:32] But if the storyline is dirty
[00:25:34] So do whatever you want
[00:25:36] It doesn't make sense
[00:25:38] Case and point being
[00:25:40] Devdwee
[00:25:42] Throughout the story
[00:25:44] You will never find the director
[00:25:46] Or the writer of the story
[00:25:48] Glorifying the character
[00:25:50] You will find him struggling throughout
[00:25:52] But here in this case
[00:25:54] Arjun Reddy's control
[00:25:56] He has killed control V
[00:25:58] Because I am literally
[00:26:00] So it seems like he has killed the copy paste
[00:26:02] As it is
[00:26:04] He has put Shahid
[00:26:06] Instead of Vijay Devakonda
[00:26:08] The rest of the storyline
[00:26:10] Arjun Reddy
[00:26:12] His remake comes out in 2019
[00:26:14] And director means
[00:26:16] Creative Liberty has taken this fate
[00:26:18] Sandeep Banga Reddy in some interview
[00:26:20] He has said that it is based on
[00:26:22] One of a character
[00:26:24] Like maybe inspired by his friend
[00:26:26] Who is that?
[00:26:28] But dude A
[00:26:30] You should have explained to your friend
[00:26:32] What is he doing
[00:26:34] I believe he was the friend
[00:26:36] I am guessing in real life he was the friend
[00:26:38] Since you also watched Arjun Reddy
[00:26:40] Was there the same amount of
[00:26:42] Bruja when
[00:26:44] Yes
[00:26:46] Yes
[00:26:48] And to my surprise
[00:26:50] I was reading the reviews which were published
[00:26:52] Back then in 2017 when Arjun Reddy came out
[00:26:54] In those reviews
[00:26:56] People were going all gaga
[00:26:58] About the character
[00:27:00] The portrayal of the character
[00:27:02] Machoism of
[00:27:04] Vijay Devakonda
[00:27:06] And all that
[00:27:08] But my point is
[00:27:10] In 2019
[00:27:12] You also know what the situation is in India
[00:27:14] The debate is about equality
[00:27:16] Right?
[00:27:18] You pick up a character
[00:27:20] And make a movie
[00:27:22] You know what? I was in the theater
[00:27:24] And around me were
[00:27:26] These teenagers, youngsters
[00:27:28] I could clearly see them clapping
[00:27:30] Whistling, cheering
[00:27:32] Every time I was in the theater
[00:27:34] They were doing face pump
[00:27:36] Like what is happening in front of me
[00:27:38] And there were people like literally cheering
[00:27:40] And there was a couple next to me making out
[00:27:42] For that
[00:27:44] The best experience
[00:27:46] It's not romantic
[00:27:48] This is the best thing you can do
[00:27:50] Not watching
[00:27:52] I was romantic and I thought that
[00:27:54] It was just blocking it out
[00:27:56] Just one eye make out
[00:27:58] Where do you go to the movie?
[00:28:00] No, the real place
[00:28:02] Is also with
[00:28:04] Shahid Kapoor and I'll tell you why
[00:28:06] See the thing is if you've seen
[00:28:08] You which is that Netflix series
[00:28:10] Ben Badgley knows that his character
[00:28:12] Is a creepy stalker
[00:28:14] And he has gone on recording interviews
[00:28:16] After the show has come out
[00:28:18] To say that please don't
[00:28:20] Clarify this man
[00:28:22] The show also very clearly and very nicely
[00:28:24] Doesn't clarify that man
[00:28:26] And that show is narrated from his point of view
[00:28:28] So if that can be done
[00:28:30] I've gone on to say that I'm aware of what the film is
[00:28:32] And I actually had to dig into my dark side
[00:28:34] My problem with Shahid Kapoor
[00:28:36] Is that he is defending the character
[00:28:38] In pre-interviews
[00:28:40] He is saying that
[00:28:42] He's actually again crowing over
[00:28:44] The success of the film
[00:28:46] He's saying that this is a great film
[00:28:48] This is a great character
[00:28:50] It's an intense
[00:28:52] That's not the same as abuses though
[00:28:54] You can have intense and abusive
[00:28:56] But it is intense, passionate
[00:28:58] Love story
[00:29:00] And I'm like that level of tone deafness
[00:29:02] From Bollywood just needs to
[00:29:04] It's disappointing
[00:29:06] Since you're talking about Shahid Kapoor
[00:29:08] A lot of people are also saying
[00:29:10] That he's only acting
[00:29:12] So he's only doing his job
[00:29:14] So what is the
[00:29:16] We've just had a me too movement
[00:29:18] In Bollywood also
[00:29:20] And then this film comes
[00:29:22] And then the actor who's a very influential actor
[00:29:24] He's not a newbie, Kiara Adwani
[00:29:26] So he doesn't get to have a say about a character
[00:29:28] If you don't get roles, she's getting the best of what she's getting
[00:29:30] So what does that say about Bollywood
[00:29:32] Is also the actor's responsibility
[00:29:34] The way they're washing their hands off
[00:29:36] See there are two things
[00:29:38] When Arjun Reddy was released
[00:29:40] The guy who was playing Arjun Reddy became a superstar after the film
[00:29:42] There was a similar kind of outrage
[00:29:44] Of course we
[00:29:46] Because we are Hindi speaking
[00:29:48] Language media might not have picked it up that much
[00:29:50] Secondly what I am saying is
[00:29:52] If Shahid Kapoor is getting offered a film like this
[00:29:54] Again Shahid Kapoor is a man
[00:29:56] Like you say of a certain position
[00:29:58] Of a certain privilege
[00:30:00] He could have said it that I don't want to do this
[00:30:02] He could have ensured that
[00:30:04] Directorial choices would have made
[00:30:06] That would ensure that the film was self aware
[00:30:08] Even then after even the film is out
[00:30:10] He could have said that I am aware that this film
[00:30:12] Is basically about a misogynistic ass
[00:30:14] And he shouldn't have gone to town
[00:30:16] Saying that oh intense passionate
[00:30:18] And that is the thing
[00:30:20] My problem with Bollywood
[00:30:22] Is inherently this
[00:30:24] That they don't take a stand
[00:30:26] Unless that stand earns them money
[00:30:28] Unless it is promotional for a movie
[00:30:30] They will do it otherwise not
[00:30:32] If women empowerment is earning money
[00:30:34] They will take a stand otherwise they won't
[00:30:36] I think yeah especially when
[00:30:38] So many of them came out and said
[00:30:40] If there is anyone feeling uncomfortable
[00:30:42] Let us know we will take care of it
[00:30:44] We are not going to act in these films
[00:30:46] Or we stand by the voices that are coming out
[00:30:48] And there was so much of this
[00:30:50] For a second you believed it
[00:30:52] You were like okay also
[00:30:54] Sometimes you felt like you had to believe it
[00:30:56] Because they have to be some good guys here
[00:30:58] They have to be people who are
[00:31:00] I just want to believe it
[00:31:02] But when people started
[00:31:04] Romanticizing the character of
[00:31:06] Pen Badgley because there were a lot of people
[00:31:08] On twitter who said that oh my god
[00:31:10] I really want a boyfriend like you
[00:31:12] And he
[00:31:14] Wrote back I have seen replies
[00:31:16] To individual people where he has been
[00:31:18] No you really don't because I am a stalker
[00:31:20] In that movie and that's not love
[00:31:22] And he said like very specific things
[00:31:24] And then he made statements about
[00:31:26] This is a character it's an important
[00:31:28] Character to play and you would respect him
[00:31:30] More as an actor for that because he played
[00:31:32] His character did it so brilliantly but he was
[00:31:34] After the film he can also comment on it
[00:31:36] As the audience yeah also and he said
[00:31:38] It's an important character to play
[00:31:40] Like every character you play you play
[00:31:42] Like the worst people that's fine
[00:31:44] But he is saying not even like
[00:31:46] That he is the character he is just saying that
[00:31:48] This guy
[00:31:50] He knows his way
[00:31:52] Words as an actor will have on people
[00:31:54] So he knows that and then he
[00:31:56] Dissociated and we would expect the same from
[00:31:58] Chai Kapoor
[00:32:00] What I am saying is that he understands
[00:32:02] That's a character and he understands
[00:32:04] That character is flawed and people can
[00:32:06] Misread into it thinking that hey I
[00:32:08] Am Pen is saying these things
[00:32:10] And Pen is endorsing this guy and whatever
[00:32:12] So he knew it was important to come out
[00:32:14] And say that this dude is a stalker
[00:32:16] That's not cool, that's not love
[00:32:18] And whatever whereas Shahid had those chances
[00:32:20] And if he had said something simple like
[00:32:22] This is not love
[00:32:24] This is intense and this is something else
[00:32:26] This is abuse or something like that
[00:32:28] But you know what I want to point out one thing
[00:32:30] Is that this character
[00:32:32] Issue is not just about how he treats
[00:32:34] Women but he just equally
[00:32:36] Treats everybody bad in the film
[00:32:38] Yeah so that doesn't mean
[00:32:40] That doesn't make him any less of a toxic
[00:32:42] I am not saying his men are also equally toxic
[00:32:44] To animals, to friends
[00:32:46] To animals
[00:32:48] So like
[00:32:50] Do you think after this
[00:32:52] After acting in this and after endorsing this
[00:32:54] Film Shahid Kapoor can't
[00:32:56] Really comment on women's
[00:32:58] Movements in India
[00:33:00] I come back to my point about Bollywood actors
[00:33:02] They will and just generally
[00:33:04] The Hindi film industry they will only take a stand
[00:33:06] When it is beneficial to them
[00:33:08] So Shahid Kapoor in the future
[00:33:10] May make a comment about
[00:33:12] Women empowerment and how he thinks he is a feminist
[00:33:14] Because he knows that that's what's in
[00:33:16] Bogue and he will get a film like this
[00:33:18] But it's not a stand that he is taking
[00:33:20] Because he has some principles
[00:33:22] Also small caveat to this is that
[00:33:24] We also
[00:33:26] Really shit on actors who do take stands
[00:33:28] Like a lot of the time if an actor
[00:33:30] Has taken a stand and said that
[00:33:32] This is
[00:33:34] Islamophobic character I am not going to play it
[00:33:36] Or this character is really
[00:33:38] Misogynistic I am not going to play it
[00:33:40] They have been trolled mercilessly
[00:33:42] So they will rather just shut up a lot of the
[00:33:44] Times but obviously shutting up is not
[00:33:46] The same as defending a character
[00:33:48] You could have just shut up and not take a stand
[00:33:50] It's done
[00:33:52] So for the last segment we are only
[00:33:54] Going to be Manvi, Papri and me
[00:33:56] Because the other guys don't care about
[00:33:58] Doctor dramas by guys
[00:34:00] So now that we have
[00:34:02] Consensually all of us really hated on Kavir Singh
[00:34:04] Let's move on to the
[00:34:06] Her segment of this podcast
[00:34:08] I mean it's a good move I guess
[00:34:10] Kavir Singh was a medical student and now we are moving on to
[00:34:12] Completely forgot that he was a psychodrama
[00:34:14] So yeah I completely
[00:34:16] Thought about that no I didn't
[00:34:18] So
[00:34:22] The reason we are talking about medical dramas
[00:34:24] In this segment is because
[00:34:26] India's really popular
[00:34:28] Medical drama Sanjeevni
[00:34:30] That had aired around 2002
[00:34:32] I guess is getting a reboot
[00:34:34] And if you are not a millennial
[00:34:36] You probably don't know what the show is about
[00:34:38] You've probably never watched it
[00:34:40] So I'm just going to tell you that this is India's
[00:34:42] Own Grey's Anatomy
[00:34:44] That's the best way I can describe it
[00:35:12] So you know I did also watch it
[00:35:14] But you guys
[00:35:16] Manvi and Papri
[00:35:18] You guys have watched the show a lot more
[00:35:20] With more enthusiasm I guess
[00:35:22] The opening I still I still
[00:35:24] So why don't you guys give a description
[00:35:26] Let me take you guys back
[00:35:28] Once upon a time
[00:35:30] When there weren't as many TV channels
[00:35:32] There was people thought streaming
[00:35:34] Was an idea that streaming was basically
[00:35:36] An idea that hadn't come across
[00:35:38] There were few entertainment options available
[00:35:40] And you would come back from school
[00:35:42] At about 3.330
[00:35:44] I mean some locations were a different thing
[00:35:46] You would come back from school at about 3.330
[00:35:48] Think what will you see on today's TV
[00:35:50] What will you see on today's TV
[00:35:52] Make yourself a glass of rasna
[00:35:54] And watch Sanjeevni
[00:35:56] The show about 6 doctors
[00:35:58] Very conveniently paired up in 2s
[00:36:00] With their own parallel love stories
[00:36:02] As you could see
[00:36:04] With simultaneously very
[00:36:06] Easily solvable medical issues
[00:36:08] Not nothing of like huge grave
[00:36:10] Saw that it will make you think of life and death
[00:36:12] On a weekday afternoon, nothing like that
[00:36:14] But just a fun watch
[00:36:16] So there are some things that you watch
[00:36:18] Because you saw them
[00:36:20] Because you have a very deep emotional connection with them
[00:36:22] Because you saw it as a function of time
[00:36:24] Now of course if I see a catcher episode of Sanjeevni
[00:36:26] I'm like what is this
[00:36:28] But at that point like
[00:36:30] Like Gurdeep Kohli who used to play Dr. Juhi
[00:36:32] Was a epic
[00:36:34] Like she was what the kids call these days
[00:36:36] Like woman WCW
[00:36:38] What is that? Woman inspired in his day
[00:36:40] Something whatever
[00:36:42] She was basically hashtag goals as the kids say
[00:36:44] As you can see I am very old
[00:36:46] But like I am trying to go with the youth
[00:36:48] So for me at least
[00:36:50] The show has quite a lot of nostalgia value
[00:36:52] So the reboot is basically
[00:36:54] Yeah we'll have Dr. Juhi
[00:36:56] Yes which is played by of course
[00:36:58] A very famous TV actor called Gurdeep Kohli
[00:37:00] And it will also have Munish Pell
[00:37:02] Who was also part of the original show
[00:37:04] And it will have again a set of new doctors
[00:37:06] And I'm assuming there will be a lot of romance
[00:37:08] The funny thing is it was rebooted
[00:37:10] Before as Dil Milge
[00:37:12] And they completely focused
[00:37:14] On the romance of it and that's what I
[00:37:16] Disliked and that's why I love
[00:37:18] That the reboot is Sanjeevni Ka Horaay
[00:37:20] Which was more about the hospital
[00:37:22] Dil Milge was in Sanjeevni Reboot
[00:37:24] It was just another hospital
[00:37:26] Romantic drama
[00:37:28] But the hospital was Sanjeevni
[00:37:30] So basically it was also a show
[00:37:32] I'm sorry it was also a show
[00:37:34] As far as the TV industry is concerned
[00:37:36] Which also gave the industry quite a lot
[00:37:38] Of its TV stars Gurdeep Kohli of course
[00:37:40] At that time was a new face
[00:37:42] Munish Pell had come back to TV after a while
[00:37:44] There was also the actor playing
[00:37:46] Umi Vaidya who now
[00:37:48] Has passed away
[00:37:50] But before that he also
[00:37:52] Came in other serials where the Ek Takhapur
[00:37:54] Serials also he was a part of
[00:37:56] So clearly quite an interesting show
[00:37:58] I will probably watch the reboot
[00:38:00] See the thing is I have watched Sanjeevni
[00:38:02] And then when I went to college
[00:38:04] I continued watching doctor shows
[00:38:06] But the thing I noticed about
[00:38:08] Doctor shows is that they're never failures
[00:38:10] You throw in
[00:38:12] Doctor drama, wo chale gai chale ga
[00:38:14] And people really loved it
[00:38:16] I watched the ones from USA
[00:38:18] Mostly and
[00:38:20] House, MD
[00:38:22] I watch other things also guys
[00:38:24] Which ones?
[00:38:26] I watched clubs
[00:38:28] Which was released at the same time
[00:38:30] That Sanjeevni was
[00:38:32] But before I go on to talk about these shows
[00:38:34] That's a nice thing
[00:38:36] We actually released around the same time
[00:38:38] 2000, like just 2 years before
[00:38:40] I caught up with clubs much later
[00:38:42] So it's not as funny as in chief TV
[00:38:44] Back to my original question
[00:38:46] Back to my original question
[00:38:48] Why do you guys think that they actually
[00:38:50] Work? What is it that actually
[00:38:52] Draws us towards doctor dramas
[00:38:54] Because the life in that situation
[00:38:56] Everybody is interested
[00:38:58] About their own ailments and everything
[00:39:00] Something to do with medicine
[00:39:02] And illness and everything
[00:39:04] Yes, I feel so
[00:39:06] But unfortunately the ones we see here
[00:39:08] Once we have seen here
[00:39:10] Sanjeevni and couple of others that came later on
[00:39:12] There's Roshni, I think there was this one called Roshni
[00:39:14] They ended up not focusing
[00:39:16] On the medical aspect of things
[00:39:18] Unlike
[00:39:20] Their western counterparts and some
[00:39:22] Eastern actually
[00:39:24] But it's that, it's life in there
[00:39:26] It's about like this drama that comes from
[00:39:28] The whole hospital will
[00:39:30] I also think that there is some emotional
[00:39:32] Drama potential when you put a group of
[00:39:34] Fairly young overworked
[00:39:36] People in a confined space
[00:39:38] Hashtag relate
[00:39:40] Very hard
[00:39:42] Don't be a journalist of kids
[00:39:44] In a confined space for about
[00:39:46] Mostly nearly 24 hours and these are very
[00:39:48] High pressure situations
[00:39:50] And also at that time when Sanjeevni came out
[00:39:52] The idea of a workplace romance was still
[00:39:54] Relatively like new
[00:39:56] And people weren't completely on board with the idea
[00:39:58] After so many years
[00:40:00] It felt nice to see something
[00:40:02] Like Sanjeevni and I think
[00:40:04] Romance in the drama between the doctors
[00:40:06] The emotional drama is a huge pull
[00:40:08] For why most sort of
[00:40:10] Medical dramas work so much so that in fact
[00:40:12] My
[00:40:14] Friends sister who is now a doctor
[00:40:16] Initially when she was basically
[00:40:18] Doing her medicine at Aims
[00:40:20] When looking out for like Dr. Omya or someone
[00:40:22] She was doing her medicine at Aims
[00:40:24] And she would come back this really exhausted and I'd be like
[00:40:26] Oh how is it in the on-call
[00:40:28] Room and she was just like stop
[00:40:30] She's on the other side of this agony
[00:40:32] No all she said is that I just want people
[00:40:34] To stop watching these shows
[00:40:36] Just wish they would because my life is like
[00:40:38] 100% reasonable
[00:40:40] She's like this and that
[00:40:42] But she very categorically
[00:40:44] Broke the myth of a hospital romance
[00:40:46] For me because she said
[00:40:48] We barely have time to eat
[00:40:50] Food I don't know what these
[00:40:52] Shows are showing
[00:40:54] The biggest pull was that it was a nice break
[00:40:56] From Sarnsburg who serials
[00:40:58] We didn't have anything to relate to them then
[00:41:00] That was a good time when it got released
[00:41:02] It was a youth but also women working doctors
[00:41:04] I like about these
[00:41:06] Doctor dramas is that
[00:41:08] When they actually take on these cases
[00:41:10] Now I don't even know the integrity of the
[00:41:12] Case I don't know the science behind it
[00:41:14] But because I don't know I'm like
[00:41:16] Oh I see
[00:41:18] I mean while I'm watching
[00:41:20] Shawbi gave us a nice love when we were
[00:41:22] Discussing this excitedly me and
[00:41:24] Manvi and Shawbi were like why do people even
[00:41:26] Watch this
[00:41:28] The reason I stopped watching Grace Anatomy
[00:41:30] And also Sanjeevani was because
[00:41:32] You're doing romance
[00:41:34] You're not solving cases, patients are dying
[00:41:36] And that's when I moved on to Scrubs
[00:41:38] And Doctor House
[00:41:40] But also
[00:41:42] Can I just say nobody watches
[00:41:44] Grace Anatomy for the medicine
[00:41:46] And for the medical
[00:41:48] But I'll tell you what
[00:41:50] There is this specific Korean show
[00:41:52] It's called Good Doctor
[00:41:54] It was about this autistic doctor
[00:41:56] And it does delve about human relationship
[00:41:58] Emotions and importance of that
[00:42:00] Because he was just like you know
[00:42:02] A brilliant doctor but did not feel anything
[00:42:04] And it's been adapted in USA
[00:42:06] Like there's an American version
[00:42:08] And then there's another version I think it's Japanese version
[00:42:10] And that very specifically
[00:42:12] Focuses on cases like it deals with
[00:42:14] Very complicated cases and all
[00:42:16] So you get a little insight into that
[00:42:18] And it's very popular
[00:42:20] Medicine, medical dramas are super popular
[00:42:22] Especially in Asia
[00:42:24] Another reason why I think they work is that at the end of the episode
[00:42:26] The problem the crisis has solved
[00:42:28] The resolution or whether you're crying your heart out
[00:42:30] It's a resolution that has
[00:42:32] Solved
[00:42:34] So you can come back and watch a new episode
[00:42:36] Like Grace Anatomy even now if I happen to catch an episode
[00:42:38] I'll have some interest
[00:42:40] It's a classic theater thing right
[00:42:42] But no from all the shows that you guys have watched
[00:42:44] From all the shows that you guys have watched
[00:42:46] Which one, which doctor's show is your favorite?
[00:42:50] And also like site reasons for it
[00:42:52] Like I said for me it's a good doctor
[00:42:54] Five mark question okay
[00:42:56] Mine is good doctor it's a Korean show
[00:42:58] And I like it because
[00:43:00] It gives you very analytic
[00:43:02] I don't know if it's actually correct
[00:43:04] Or not because I'm not a medicine student
[00:43:06] And I've never gone back and researched on it
[00:43:08] I'm sorry but like yeah it makes you feel like
[00:43:10] You're actually understanding something really critical
[00:43:12] So I like that
[00:43:14] To be fair it's not a genre I have explored
[00:43:16] Like it's not like I've seen multiple shows
[00:43:18] So I can make my choice
[00:43:20] But I mean I did enjoy Grace Anatomy in its earlier seasons
[00:43:22] Because it was one of those
[00:43:24] Corthotic shows that you would watch
[00:43:26] After a long day at work and you didn't have to pay
[00:43:28] To watch attention to it
[00:43:30] Another show which again I don't know whether you can classify it
[00:43:32] As a medical show
[00:43:34] But it definitely had a lot of medicine
[00:43:36] Which I genuinely liked was bones
[00:43:38] Because even though it was medicine
[00:43:40] Being used to solve crime
[00:43:42] And I love, I'm personally the only genre
[00:43:44] Of shows or books that I love
[00:43:46] It was one of cold cases show right
[00:43:48] The only genre of books or shows
[00:43:50] That I love are crime fiction shows
[00:43:52] So using medicine to solve crimes
[00:43:54] Was my teenage
[00:43:56] Mind was blown
[00:43:58] I think I would recommend
[00:44:00] The listeners, our listeners
[00:44:02] To watch Crubs then if you haven't
[00:44:04] It has good music and it's got a good ratio of
[00:44:06] I mean just the right amount of drama
[00:44:08] Just the right amount of romance
[00:44:10] And the right amount of medical attention
[00:44:12] Guys and Jeevni are you listening
[00:44:14] Because that
[00:44:16] If I had to suggest something
[00:44:18] To you know the makers
[00:44:20] Who'd remaking the
[00:44:22] For the reboot
[00:44:24] I would suggest that
[00:44:26] You know while you keep your drama
[00:44:28] On one side please also
[00:44:30] Make me look at the
[00:44:32] You know several patients
[00:44:34] Let's get the medicine in the medicine drama guys
[00:44:36] All the patients that's coming and all these really critical diseases
[00:44:38] That you will somehow solve
[00:44:40] By the end of the episode
[00:44:42] Also there's a whole lot to be inspired by
[00:44:44] In real time right now like all the crisis
[00:44:46] Medical crisis happening all over India
[00:44:48] I mean you have so much to pick on from right
[00:44:50] Like in terms of being beaten up
[00:44:52] And
[00:44:54] Incidentally a great show about the medical crisis
[00:44:56] In India right now is on Amazon Prime
[00:44:58] Which is called Lakhome Ek
[00:45:00] Because that would give you a far more realistic picture
[00:45:02] Of the doctor's crisis
[00:45:04] In terms of the corruption that they are facing
[00:45:06] In hospitals how the doctor students have to make
[00:45:08] Some compromises how they have to
[00:45:10] Basically practice in far flung areas
[00:45:12] And just generally very gritty realities
[00:45:14] About the health industry
[00:45:16] And also as light to watch as other doctor shows
[00:45:18] We've been talking about but critically acclaimed
[00:45:20] And slow motion
[00:45:22] No one is going to fall on top
[00:45:24] So now that we are starting to recommend
[00:45:26] Let's also then move on to our final segment
[00:45:28] Which is our recommendation segment
[00:45:30] And the thing is in the last two months
[00:45:32] With the last two months there's been
[00:45:34] So much content
[00:45:36] On OTT platforms
[00:45:38] So many movies releasing I'm like
[00:45:40] Dude just let me breathe let me finish one thing
[00:45:42] Can I say something about this so much content
[00:45:44] Which I found to be quite dystopic
[00:45:46] Keeping in mind with the theme of our episode
[00:45:48] Netflix has taken out a release
[00:45:50] Like one of their internal memos
[00:45:52] Or just release of sorts I don't know which one it is
[00:45:54] But they say that the activities
[00:45:56] That we are now competing with
[00:45:58] When it comes to Netflix
[00:46:00] We want our viewers to choose
[00:46:02] Netflix oversleeping going out with friends
[00:46:04] Drinking wine with their partners
[00:46:06] Or eating
[00:46:08] So pressing? Exactly
[00:46:10] So I'm just like please or reading
[00:46:12] Reading was expected
[00:46:14] Maybe that is why we are seeing
[00:46:16] But then still what you're watching other than
[00:46:18] After you've hung out with your friends
[00:46:20] And you've drank your wine and then
[00:46:22] Eating your food and read your books
[00:46:24] What is it that you watched
[00:46:26] And what would you recommend
[00:46:28] I've basically been going through a lot of documentaries
[00:46:30] On Netflix
[00:46:32] I come across as much of nerd on every one of these episodes
[00:46:34] So in terms of the documentaries
[00:46:36] Netflix has some great documentaries
[00:46:38] To delve into
[00:46:40] One that I recently watched and I quite like
[00:46:42] And it sort of gave me quite a food for thought
[00:46:44] Is a documentary called The Minimalists
[00:46:46] Which talks about a group
[00:46:48] Of people adopting a minimalist lifestyle
[00:46:50] Where they are now, when it comes to
[00:46:52] Living clothes, shopping
[00:46:54] Money, environment
[00:46:56] And they've actually started to question
[00:46:58] This basic idea of how much do we need
[00:47:00] And how we are basically wired
[00:47:02] To be dissatisfied
[00:47:04] And so we keep thinking that buying more things
[00:47:06] Or having more things
[00:47:08] Would fit
[00:47:10] Avoid in our lives but it actually doesn't
[00:47:12] So what it does is it takes this very
[00:47:14] Happy, merry condo idea
[00:47:16] And then extends it to say that it's become
[00:47:18] A life philosophy for a lot of people
[00:47:20] So definitely a great great watch
[00:47:22] Papri
[00:47:24] So like I said, I will be giving you guys
[00:47:26] Some Korean recommendation if you will
[00:47:28] There's this amazing show
[00:47:30] Called WWW Search
[00:47:32] It's about three women
[00:47:34] And it's oh my god so ahead of its time
[00:47:36] It's about business world
[00:47:38] These women running two competitive portals
[00:47:40] Web portals and it's about
[00:47:42] How, what people search
[00:47:44] You know Google or Bing or whatever
[00:47:46] How people search and how that influences
[00:47:48] And how these companies are actually
[00:47:50] Can manipulate these keywords
[00:47:52] And data in real time and how
[00:47:54] That affects lives of people
[00:47:56] And the best thing about this show is that
[00:47:58] It will pass the Bechdel test
[00:48:00] Like with flying colors
[00:48:02] And make you realize that Bechdel test
[00:48:04] Will be your standard for it
[00:48:06] It's so amazing
[00:48:08] The grey character, the right-ears character
[00:48:10] The nut job
[00:48:12] All of them are women
[00:48:14] So that by episode two you're like
[00:48:16] I forgot that they are women
[00:48:18] They're just characters now
[00:48:20] I want more shows to be like that
[00:48:22] They stop being women centric and they're just shows
[00:48:24] Being Bechdel test really ugly
[00:48:26] Totally and that's an amazing show
[00:48:28] You should check it out and of course
[00:48:30] Music is amazing, the background scores are amazing
[00:48:32] I've been dead post-election
[00:48:34] So I've been only watching really easy shows
[00:48:36] I don't want to hurt my brain
[00:48:38] Okay guys, I have three recommendations lined up
[00:48:40] One is going to be Always Be My Maybe
[00:48:42] Starring Alibong
[00:48:44] But I honestly watched it for Keanu Reeves
[00:48:46] But that's not the only reason to watch it
[00:48:48] He parodies himself and so well
[00:48:50] And Alibong is also
[00:48:52] Really funny in this
[00:48:54] Movie and cheese
[00:48:56] I've watched some of her comedy shows
[00:48:58] That one is a really light watch
[00:49:00] The kind of rom-com
[00:49:02] They're just EQ out
[00:49:04] The second one I watched
[00:49:06] Again an easy watch
[00:49:08] Was Murder Mystery
[00:49:10] And that's again a very easy show
[00:49:12] It's got the basic stamp
[00:49:14] Of any crime
[00:49:16] From all the crime movies
[00:49:18] Maybe even some board games that we have
[00:49:20] So it had stamps of Cluedo
[00:49:22] And by the end
[00:49:24] There was also a reference to the Orient Express
[00:49:26] And the third one
[00:49:28] Was a movie that I timed with the release of Kabir Singh
[00:49:30] So I guess I'm watching
[00:49:32] Things according to how my mind is functioning
[00:49:34] Goal with the dragon tattoo
[00:49:36] Which had been on my watch list for a really long time
[00:49:38] And she
[00:49:40] And the female character does such
[00:49:42] Terrible, terrific things
[00:49:44] Horrific things
[00:49:46] That it sort of calmed my mood
[00:49:48] I'm like okay, I'm ready to face the world
[00:49:50] I know there are lots of bad people out there
[00:49:52] But I'm ready to face the world
[00:49:54] So we was released in 2011
[00:49:56] But if you haven't it's a good time to watch it
[00:49:58] Another sorry I didn't know we could make more than one
[00:50:00] Recommendation but another great show that I'm watching
[00:50:02] That I quite enjoy the first season of is Big Little Lies 2
[00:50:04] It has Meryl Streep in it
[00:50:06] Along with the fantastic cast of
[00:50:08] Along with the fantastic cast of characters
[00:50:10] Including Reese With a Spoon and the second season
[00:50:12] I don't know how they're doing it
[00:50:14] But the second season is much better than the first
[00:50:16] So definitely go and take a look
[00:50:18] So with that we come to the end of the podcast
[00:50:20] And hope to see you guys again
[00:50:22] For the next episode
[00:50:24] So goodbye guys