The #MetGala & #LaapataLadies Intersection - Fashion, Confidence, and Creativity

[00:00:07] Sushnali, what was your weekend like?

[00:00:10] I did two things this weekend. I watched La Patta Ladies because it's too hot to be doing anything out.

[00:00:18] Absolutely, it's crazy.

[00:00:19] I don't be like stepping out and I am wearing many maternity clothes these days.

[00:00:23] Those are the best. They make sense. They allow air circulation to happen. That is so essential.

[00:00:29] Yeah, would you do get up and you put it on and my daughter was like, why are you wearing an IT?

[00:00:33] Like this one, this looks like an IT. So I've thrown on these beads to make it look less so.

[00:00:38] But La Patta Ladies was interesting and met Kala and they sort of have an intersection point.

[00:00:45] There's a Venn diagram and we can talk about that. Have you watched La Patta Ladies?

[00:00:51] I did interestingly. I watched it this weekend too and very interesting because you're talking about

[00:00:55] La Patta Ladies and the Met Gala and the Venn diagram.

[00:01:00] So the intersection I don't know, it's women and clothes.

[00:01:05] Okay, yes.

[00:01:06] That's what I figured out. It is because in the Met Gala, everyone's out to show as many body parts as they can.

[00:01:12] Look at Doja Cat who's struggling to cover bits and pieces of herself with that wet slinky thing.

[00:01:17] What was she doing before that with a towel on her head?

[00:01:20] Shopping is a jewelry store and she was wearing a body wrap which is also a towel holding like this.

[00:01:28] And it said, weatherments the brand. So it's in dress. It said, weatherments dress.

[00:01:33] So this is something that the brand I guess now has gone into completely new direction but the Balenciaga skirt, towel skirt?

[00:01:41] Was it Balenciaga?

[00:01:43] What she was wearing?

[00:01:44] No, not what she was wearing but that has been retailed and I saw.

[00:01:48] Which Balenciaga skirt?

[00:01:49] It's a towel. It's actually like if you wrap a towel around your waist.

[00:01:53] So maybe towels in fashion. Maybe I can like coat or maybe you can go around wearing towels.

[00:01:57] Ensure the label is worthy of...

[00:01:59] Because stitch on the label.

[00:02:01] Yeah, correct.

[00:02:02] Because stitch on labels. We have a look and wonder market for that.

[00:02:05] But you know it takes a certain kind of eccentricity or I would say confidence to just show up like that

[00:02:12] because there's another picture of her in a cling film walking on the road.

[00:02:15] There's a cling film on top and there's a cling film at the bottom

[00:02:18] and that's her little shorts and boob tube set.

[00:02:22] And she's walking around with a platinum blonde shaved head on the streets of New York.

[00:02:28] Confidence? I don't know. Confidence, attention seeking.

[00:02:31] There's so much of this happening. I mean look at Insta.

[00:02:34] You have thirst traps all the time.

[00:02:36] People putting up pictures of themselves and itty-bitty things which is lovely because I love the confidence.

[00:02:41] But at the end of the day, what happens?

[00:02:43] So you know, given the Met Gala,

[00:02:46] I think also has a lot to do with celebrating creativity and design.

[00:02:53] Okay? It is a lot to do with that.

[00:02:55] And ultimately the association is with, we forget the metropolitan music.

[00:03:00] But so I get that and I do enjoy it.

[00:03:03] Although this year everything was really underwhelming.

[00:03:05] There was very little creativity.

[00:03:07] Everybody had stuck on florals and come in.

[00:03:09] It became the thing that the garden of time.

[00:03:13] What is it called?

[00:03:14] The Garden of Time.

[00:03:15] The Garden of Time? Are you sure that's the theme?

[00:03:17] Yeah.

[00:03:18] Wasn't it?

[00:03:19] Yeah.

[00:03:19] The Garden of Time.

[00:03:20] Yeah, The Garden of Time theme.

[00:03:24] And okay so there's craftsmanship involved and there's a certain degree of creativity involved.

[00:03:28] Whatever my or your opinion on how it turned out to be this time.

[00:03:33] But the trouble is that I was watching, I was at my dentist.

[00:03:37] And my dentist had a screen on the ceiling.

[00:03:39] So while you're lying back,

[00:03:42] something up your mouth to hold it in place open like that and you're looking at videos.

[00:03:46] And you know we no longer watch music videos.

[00:03:49] The way we used to when we had MTV and Channel V.

[00:03:52] So I was watching these videos of songs.

[00:03:55] And in all these videos, there was like there's a DJ Khalid.

[00:03:59] The DJ Khalid and then he's surrounded on the poolside by babes

[00:04:04] who are gyrating and showing off their bodies.

[00:04:06] And you know those typical moments which I'll show you once a camera.

[00:04:08] That's because he can't show off his body run.

[00:04:10] Right but I'm saying that the man is the artist.

[00:04:15] And the fillers in the video are women who are just sort of sexualizing themselves.

[00:04:23] Basically playing to the male gaze.

[00:04:26] And then there was another video after that I forget.

[00:04:30] So another popular song where this man is in LA and he's walking on some promenade

[00:04:37] and the women surrounding him again, you know, chatting their boobs and their butts out.

[00:04:42] So I think that two things I noticed now that I'm so much older.

[00:04:46] One is that it is pushing a body stereotype.

[00:04:50] Okay, that you have to be in this hourglass figure sort of a thing.

[00:04:54] And the other is like think about girls who are plum.

[00:04:58] Like think about who I was when I was young.

[00:05:00] And looking at these videos, you really do feel inadequate

[00:05:03] and you feel something is wrong with my body because it's so much emphasis

[00:05:07] on how you look physically and how your body's ideal shape should be.

[00:05:13] That you forget to really nurture yourself.

[00:05:16] And I know it sounds really preachy and horrible, but ideal bodies being celebrated.

[00:05:21] So at least in Met Gala, you still had Queen Latifah and all that.

[00:05:24] Yeah, you know, so Cardi B or Cardi B.

[00:05:27] So I think that and then La Pata Ladies is the other extreme completely.

[00:05:33] But it is again, so one is catering to the male gaze and us not even realizing

[00:05:36] that we are doing it in women are making a living out of it.

[00:05:39] And then La Pata Ladies is again male dominance over male guardianship.

[00:05:44] And invisibilizing the woman.

[00:05:49] If you notice the goongat, which is such an important metaphor in the dial.

[00:05:53] I mean, it starts with that goongat causing all the trouble.

[00:05:57] Even the poor chap who picks up takes the other lady thinking she's his wife.

[00:06:03] The only thing he has to show for her face is a photograph at the wedding with her

[00:06:07] goongat right up to her neck.

[00:06:09] She's invisibilized even in her own wedding photographs.

[00:06:12] So what is the identity of a woman?

[00:06:14] Even when a shepherd is herding a sheep and he might switch with some other sheep.

[00:06:19] So it's sort of sort of making us seem like cattle.

[00:06:22] Like we are basically bovine creatures.

[00:06:24] You know, but even the shepherd knows who is Sheepa.

[00:06:26] These people didn't even know their wives were.

[00:06:28] He just grabbed her hand and he pulled it.

[00:06:31] And the other one just decided very safely to stay back at the railway station

[00:06:36] and not go with that.

[00:06:37] But he was saying that she said so, you know that.

[00:06:42] Pool pool when she's lost, she doesn't go to the police

[00:06:46] because she's been warned by her husband of two days in some dialect.

[00:06:51] She said that it's better to be lost than to go to the police.

[00:06:54] And my mom used to say that when I was growing up because when one travels,

[00:06:59] my mom used to always say, if you ever get lost, do not ever go to the cop station.

[00:07:03] Really?

[00:07:03] Go to some auntie or some elderly woman, go to them and tell them that you're lost,

[00:07:08] but never ever ever go to the cop station because they'll exploit you.

[00:07:12] My goodness.

[00:07:13] Yeah, I mean, with due respect to the police in this country,

[00:07:17] I'm saying that there is an image that that poor girl was just, you know, confirming.

[00:07:20] Yeah. And then the cop played by Ravikishan did nothing to reinforce

[00:07:24] or erase that image.

[00:07:27] He was the most endearing thing in that movie.

[00:07:31] I wanted I want to I wanted to just watch Ravikishan scenes.

[00:07:34] And I love the fact that he flipped over at the end and became the good cop.

[00:07:38] Yeah, but you know, contrary, a wonderful contrast I found in the movie.

[00:07:43] A lot of the messaging was on your nose.

[00:07:46] And a lot of it was like, OK, now this is the women's emancipation message

[00:07:52] we want to send out.

[00:07:53] So let's have Jaya say these lines, whatever, whatever, whatever.

[00:07:58] I love the subtle contrast between the helplessness of Jaya and fool

[00:08:02] and the sports quota cop.

[00:08:05] Oh, yes.

[00:08:06] Who broke that supari in Kashmah supari in her hand.

[00:08:09] That's right.

[00:08:10] And terrified those guys because she would do the questioning.

[00:08:15] That's right.

[00:08:17] And when the guy says the flunk, you know, like he says,

[00:08:21] I mean, sports quota.

[00:08:25] Kayla and Anna will say

[00:08:28] Ravikishan, the expression was priceless.

[00:08:31] I have to say some of the dialogues were fantastic.

[00:08:33] And if you allow me, I wanted to read one out because I wanted to read it over the

[00:08:36] bathroom.

[00:08:37] Fraud.

[00:08:38] I mean, she's called someone in English.

[00:08:42] Fraud.

[00:08:43] This country is going on a fraud for thousands of years with girls.

[00:08:48] Who can I am?

[00:08:49] Hey, baleghar ki Bahubeti.

[00:08:52] You know the good girl fraud.

[00:08:53] It is so true.

[00:08:54] It is true.

[00:08:54] All of us have been we've gone through it.

[00:08:57] Yeah.

[00:08:58] That girls from respectable families don't do this.

[00:09:02] Don't do that.

[00:09:02] You know, talk only when spoken to sit in a particular way or should be seen

[00:09:06] on we heard or girls from proper families don't look so excited on their own

[00:09:11] wedding day.

[00:09:12] Now, there's a whole new trend of the bride, you know, dancing, dancing.

[00:09:17] I enjoy the video in which a girl was dancing towards the groom.

[00:09:21] Viral Bhayani shared it to do the Jamala on him and she's dancing to a movie song.

[00:09:27] She's lip syncing and, you know, pervading around them.

[00:09:30] It looked like a scene from a movie and the guy is actually acting de meur.

[00:09:34] Oh, lovely.

[00:09:35] Right.

[00:09:36] So I'm just saying that women taking ownership of their bodies, of their

[00:09:41] desires and finding self expression.

[00:09:44] We are seeing an urban, urban India right now.

[00:09:47] OK, but much of the reality of India, which is the rural, largely agrarian

[00:09:53] is more or less what we watched in this movie without the embellishments, of course.

[00:09:58] So this good girl phenomenon does exist.

[00:10:01] It exists to police women, to make women stay within certain boundaries

[00:10:04] and not to be too visible or too noticeable.

[00:10:06] Don't laugh too loudly because then you'll notice to singled out.

[00:10:10] Don't go around with your head uncovered because then you'll notice

[00:10:13] to singled out. A lot of it, I think comes from the fear of women being too powerful.

[00:10:20] Not too powerful.

[00:10:21] Yeah.

[00:10:21] Being picked up and being noticed by an unsavory male gaze.

[00:10:28] Don't you think it's that?

[00:10:29] It's that and it's keeping women within boundaries.

[00:10:31] I think that when a when an attractive woman knows she's good looking

[00:10:37] and she's married to an abusive man or if a woman starts learning how to groom

[00:10:42] herself and dress up, I'm talking about completely rural India.

[00:10:46] There's a power in knowing that you can appear better than you are.

[00:10:51] And that may actually give a license to be licentious.

[00:10:58] Yeah, yeah, well, I've heard lots of stories which tell me

[00:11:01] that they don't need any power to be licentious.

[00:11:03] No, it's not the only power I think that women in rural India really need

[00:11:08] to have is the power to have their own money.

[00:11:12] Which I think with a lot of these self-help groups and all that comes about

[00:11:16] with the fact that the ultimate power is earning your money

[00:11:19] and having a say in the family finances that doesn't come about.

[00:11:23] Yeah, no, I guess that there's too many boxes to take them.

[00:11:26] So I suppose it didn't happen for that reason.

[00:11:29] But again, that woman who makes us a mosa, she lost at the stall when she says

[00:11:33] that women are so powerful that the day men men have kept a suppress

[00:11:37] for way too long. That is because so she says

[00:11:41] they pull or a nudge hook up each other, but I'm a secty, but you

[00:11:46] better cut the video, but I'll be cut.

[00:11:48] They cut the auto, but do key quick.

[00:11:51] I don't really think.

[00:11:53] But you bought a lot of go, but I'll tell you that my

[00:11:56] which are a couple of my juggles you see this is actually true

[00:12:02] even though it's on the nose.

[00:12:03] I understand. But you need some character somewhere in some movie one day to say this.

[00:12:10] But you are enough. What she's saying is you are enough. I know her empowered.

[00:12:13] You can do it all. You don't need the husband. The most interesting contrast in the movie was

[00:12:20] the messaging that two women gave. One wanted to go ahead and live her life and get educated

[00:12:25] and go back to her home or whatever, go back to this chap she was flirting with Chandan.

[00:12:31] Who was that? Gunjan? The friend of the groom who had lost his wife.

[00:12:39] The other was quite content to be this one step behind her husband when she finally met him

[00:12:46] and she said, maybe I'll start doing something to buttau his heart. Not to do something on our own

[00:12:50] but to buttau his heart. So this spectrum of ambition was very interesting the way it played

[00:12:57] out in the movie. But even in our own lives, even in cities and progressive families not every girl

[00:13:02] is that ambitious to have a career. I think and that's where there are some people,

[00:13:08] some women especially who judge women who choose not to work on careers. Now okay,

[00:13:15] I understand that some of it is conditioning that you'll only be fulfilled if you become

[00:13:19] a mother and you have five children or two children but for some women it may just be

[00:13:23] a natural desire. Okay, so that freedom to also allow women to choose as part of the feminist

[00:13:30] dialogue as opposed to saying that you have no ambition to have a career and therefore

[00:13:35] you are somewhere doing disservice to feminists. It's also feminist dialogue, it's also privilege.

[00:13:42] If you're not going to have a career, a person from a certain startup society can't take

[00:13:47] that luxury of saying that I'm not going to work because she needs the income. It's women

[00:13:52] from a certain startup who are going to say that I'm just going to be a homemaker and look after

[00:13:56] and raise my kids. That's privilege also. That plays into the entire equation.

[00:14:03] Another interesting thing was this daughter-in-law, the first daughter-in-law, the older daughter-in-law

[00:14:09] who barely speaks because she says I have no one to speak to. And my heart really broke for

[00:14:15] her husband as a broad. She's stuck in this household of oldies in one day world

[00:14:20] and then she has no one to speak to and accept her son perhaps. And all she has is a drawing she's

[00:14:25] done of her husband. She doesn't even have a photograph of her husband. I guess this is really

[00:14:33] the reality of... But do you think in 2001 she doesn't even have a photograph of her husband?

[00:14:39] It's possible that women said that there was only one picture and you know, I don't know,

[00:14:43] they had to give it to the Rajankar or something. But even the mother, the mother-in-law

[00:14:49] saying that I love this certain dish but I never make it for myself because when the

[00:14:54] this other girl says, what's her name not cool? Jaya. When Jaya says if you like it so much,

[00:14:59] why don't you make it for yourself? Because in all these years of being married,

[00:15:03] the idea of making something just for myself has never struck me. In fact,

[00:15:10] what I like is even being obliterated from my mind. And again, this is very subversive

[00:15:15] messaging here because we stop living for ourselves and we again, when I speak for a vast majority

[00:15:23] of women, I know somebody can get up and say you girls are living for yourself. Yeah, we are.

[00:15:29] And you should too. Everyone should. So that's interesting because when

[00:15:36] you get married and you don't realize when you get into a family that when the cooking

[00:15:41] happens, everyone's tastes and preferences have to be taken into account. And very often it is the

[00:15:46] man of the house whose preferences are top of the pecking order. And I realize this now in

[00:15:53] retrospect after so many years that when my mother-in-law realized that I love Sabudana

[00:15:57] Kishri, she would make it a couple of times a week for me. That's very nice. And now I

[00:16:02] realize that I was such an indulgence because nobody else in the house liked it or touched it.

[00:16:07] How lovely. I hope she's listening to your podcast. You'll get some brownie points.

[00:16:11] She might. She might not. But yeah, that's so true. And when I watched that scene,

[00:16:16] I really thought about that because there are certain things one lies but

[00:16:19] it doesn't get made. If you wanted to just order it from somewhere.

[00:16:21] Yeah. Because it won't get made because who else is going to eat it in the house?

[00:16:26] So my husband, Dadi, by the way, there was a character in this movie called Sharvan.

[00:16:30] Okay. The man who's in the second wife's, the second Wahoo's husband who's in the city,

[00:16:37] or sketchy lives, she's drawn. His name is Sharvan Singh. Okay. So I have called him my husband,

[00:16:43] Sharvan. Sharvan. For tomorrow. No, so his great-grandmother, his grandmother,

[00:16:49] my grandmother-in-law, she passed away in 2019 at the age of 96. And I think right until 2008,

[00:17:01] she was very agile and active. She was so sweet. She used to only enter the kitchen once in a way.

[00:17:07] And she had been, I think it sounds like when she was younger, she was a bit of a tyrant as a

[00:17:11] mother-in-law. As women in that era used to be. But she used to especially go into the kitchen

[00:17:16] just to cook for me. And send it up to my house here. So I was really sweet. And my

[00:17:21] mom-miller used to say that, you know, you're so lucky she indulges you so

[00:17:25] because I guess they'd all seen a slightly different avatar of hers.

[00:17:29] I think that happens. You know, the grandmother-in-laws are more indulgent of the granddaughter-in-laws

[00:17:34] and it skips a generation that indulges. But you know, women of that generation used to smoke

[00:17:39] BDs and cigarettes. Absolutely. And I'm talking about conventional, these are not women who

[00:17:44] were sitting at Willingham Club with cigar holders or cigarette holders. I'm talking

[00:17:48] about women in sarees wearing bangles and cooking in the kitchen and then taking a break

[00:17:53] and doing the BD or cigarette smoking thing. And in some ways, I think controlling the kitchen

[00:18:00] was controlling the house was controlling even the man. So women have found their own way also

[00:18:07] to survive in this really limiting suffocating ecosystem. Yeah, you control the kitchen,

[00:18:11] which reminded me that I used to smoke the hookah very elegantly recline on the couch and

[00:18:17] yeah, that's what I'm saying. It wasn't such a taboo. Not at all. And yeah, they control the kitchen

[00:18:24] and they also control the pen by fasting for them. See if I'm not going to fast for you or pop it.

[00:18:30] Yeah. So because I'm fasting for you and I'm doing so much alive and well, be grateful to me.

[00:18:39] In the wily ways, some women not all have learned to control men and those who were

[00:18:45] subjugated by the women before them. Then when they became mother-in-law, they exactly

[00:18:50] revenge on society through the daughter-in-law. So the cycle never got broken. Yeah, it went on.

[00:18:57] It went on. Even these shows, what is the bachelor, the bachelor rate or the bachelor?

[00:19:02] Bachelor. The show called the bachelor. And that show is about women, all women

[00:19:08] who are living in this sort of mansion are competing for their one man's attention.

[00:19:14] I'm saying that. So the conversation, again, I'm sort of digressing in a way from this film.

[00:19:23] But in this film, women are subjugated in another way. In these videos that I talked about,

[00:19:28] where women are displaying their bodies and working out day and night to have flat abs

[00:19:32] and have a certain body form. And we've all been victims of that. We are subjugated in another

[00:19:36] way. Absolutely. Societal expectations never cease. And societal expectations as dictated by men.

[00:19:44] I'm saying that emancipation is not just lifting the goongat and earning some money.

[00:19:51] Emancipation is that like the courage to say, I have this body, I dress like this,

[00:19:58] I don't care what someone else thinks. And also I think media people have to start

[00:20:05] going beyond tokenism of using more fuller bodies in their videos and in their films.

[00:20:11] Why do all bodies have to be a certain type? Because they are appealing to the male gaze.

[00:20:16] We come right back to that argument. That's what I'm saying. So I'm saying that.

[00:20:19] So in a way, all the education, all the progression, all the movements of both

[00:20:24] wave of feminism, a lot has yet to be achieved even in urban educated societies.

[00:20:32] We are in the age of VBL. What's that? Brazilian bum lift.

[00:20:37] That's right. We live in an age where people are having ribs removed.

[00:20:40] What happens in Brazilian bum lift? They take your fat from some place and put it in the other places.

[00:20:46] And something like that, I assume so. So people are having ribs removed to make their

[00:20:51] waist snaddle. Yeah. Do you know how dangerous that is? Yeah. People are we all floating ribs

[00:20:56] have a purpose and they support your structure. I don't know how the,

[00:21:00] how their old age is going to look like. See, one is wanting to look pretty.

[00:21:04] That see the mirror is a new invention. Right? So we were not supposed to look at ourselves

[00:21:09] as much as we do today now with phones and selfie cameras and so on and so forth. Right?

[00:21:14] So I think that wanting to beautify yourself because human beings, even animals are drawn to

[00:21:22] beauty. And that is why the peacock looks the way he does. We've discussed this before.

[00:21:27] So I think one is the basic aesthetic that human beings are drawn to beautiful things,

[00:21:31] beautiful flowers. Nobody keeps ugly looking flowers in their house. Right?

[00:21:34] Beauty is goodness or beauty is good. I think it's not even that there's a part of a brain

[00:21:38] that sort of releases and often or something when you look at something beautiful.

[00:21:42] So one is just general aesthetic of that a beautiful sunset, a beautiful day.

[00:21:47] And so wanting to look beautiful for yourself is not forbidden. Okay. I'm saying that is

[00:21:54] all right. But how much of your own sense of what is beautiful has been dictated to you through

[00:22:00] centuries? It's a very interesting photograph I saw on the font of all information, which is Instagram

[00:22:08] deals, which was of a woman who had a pudgy little face, lump as hell dressed in some

[00:22:18] short kind of address with visible upper lip growth, huge eyebrows. And this was a princess

[00:22:26] of some place in the Middle East. I forget where no I know where this is a sign of beauty,

[00:22:30] where so many men committed suicide because she refused to marry her and just considered a great

[00:22:34] beauty of her times. Can we show off picture and be great? I don't know where I read it.

[00:22:39] And I read it twice. I think it was some Instagram read that I saw it on.

[00:22:43] And I did a double take really. She was a great beauty of her time. I mean, that time should

[00:22:49] have been our time we wouldn't be struggling to like, I know, but last house down to speaking

[00:22:53] of speaking of, you know, beauty standards, the current miss USA. So 17 stepped down

[00:23:01] saying the values of this organization don't align with my ideology. So then somebody

[00:23:08] wrote then how did she not realize it when she's 70 and come on cut her some slacks

[00:23:13] or I'm just trying to say that we need to do away with these beauty pageants. A lot needs to be

[00:23:18] done and it can be done if everything is not so driven by advertising fashion is a different

[00:23:23] thing in the sense that like we said, it's about creativity also. You know,

[00:23:27] how interesting. Well, we're talking of beauty and body standards. Now it suddenly

[00:23:31] strikes me that both these women in La Petite Ladies were extremely slim.

[00:23:36] To the point of being gone. But in the village women asked them because they work

[00:23:41] in the fields. These are not working the fieldless. They're influencers in real life,

[00:23:46] you know that one is a girl from Shimla and the other girls an influencer. Yeah, so they

[00:23:52] so that's not the unrealistic expectation. But listen, Kiran, in all the movies that I've

[00:23:56] ever watched whether the village Gracie Singh in La Dan, she was also very slim. The other

[00:24:02] thing I worry about off topic is if career future career of these people Gracie Singh

[00:24:06] acted in La Dan and then she got so typecast as a village bell that she never really managed to,

[00:24:13] you know why she did Munna Bhai and that was very successful Gracie Singh.

[00:24:17] Munna Bhai MBBS that was a huge hit. Was she in Munna Bhai? I had no recollection. Yes.

[00:24:22] Okay, so two movies. Was she a Gowwali in that? No, she was a doctor in that.

[00:24:27] Okay, but I'm just saying that you know, I can't think of these women now

[00:24:31] in some glam glam is on roles. So if you think look at Hema Malini and Rajanthi

[00:24:35] Malar who also played different times, different times. So that's what I'm saying. That was a

[00:24:38] different era. So the women in the villages are not necessarily skinny. They're quite well

[00:24:42] built because they're doing hard labor. That's true. They're doing hard labor and if they're

[00:24:46] skinny, they're going to pass out of the fields. I think Hema Malini was a gorgeous figure.

[00:24:49] Yeah. She was so voluptuous and so full with such a youthful face even now she looks

[00:24:53] amazing. And Rajanthi Malar in Nayador? I never liked her. No, but she was

[00:24:58] not slim and she was like, she was not even anything. She was healthy. No, not like

[00:25:04] that. I just never, I remember Darshan days. I just, I never wanted to watch her and I didn't

[00:25:10] want to ever watch Malasena. These are two actresses when they were on screen. I was like, no,

[00:25:16] this is not my Sunday movie. Just to say something in favor of Rajanthi Malar, please

[00:25:21] watch Amrapali. She's gorgeous in that. Really? She's gorgeous in that. I mean,

[00:25:26] if I wasn't heterosexual, I might have sung that away. Didn't you have some big

[00:25:29] mole on your face or something? No. Oh, okay. You're talking about somebody else?

[00:25:34] No, no, I'm talking about Janti Malar. I know who you're talking about. I mean,

[00:25:36] I've sort of forgotten her. Yeah, but then, you know, another age, those actresses.

[00:25:42] I should have Mumtaz. Oh yeah. And I love the body too. What a shape she had. She was

[00:25:48] in some hourglass perfect with flat abs. She was cute pixie like I agree. Not usually

[00:25:55] but listen, Mumtaz these days on Instagram is something else. Oh my God. Please tell me more.

[00:26:03] I mean, it's cute, but I mean, she's trying to keep up with the times. I guess she's dancing

[00:26:06] with a camera and flirting with the camera. Oh Lord. And then yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's

[00:26:12] sitting in the car with the camera on and speaking to the camera. You're my lover.

[00:26:17] I want to say this. Oh Lord. Yeah. She's always, it's almost sad. Like,

[00:26:23] you know, what has Instagram done to us? It's made us caricatures of ourselves.

[00:26:28] No, so she is like a caricature of herself and you should after this episode, you know,

[00:26:35] as I said when you told me to watch Teeran Mandi, I said life is too short.

[00:26:39] No, no, can I tell you even in whatever she's doing being performative,

[00:26:43] he's my London house and then dancing around the camera or whatever. It's very cute.

[00:26:48] It's all, I mean, you know what the thing is ultimately that the sad insistence in every human

[00:26:53] being who's ever been in the limelight to say relevant. And if she thinks this is a way of saying

[00:26:58] relevant, who's to stop her? But it is hugely entertaining. So Kiran, even if you look at

[00:27:03] Kim Kardashian now, not genuinely life, we know how it is even for the Mad Gara,

[00:27:09] you know that it has become such a big cultural line market event.

[00:27:12] She wore this the tightest corset ever under that. Was it a Balmain dress? No, no, no, man.

[00:27:21] Okay, she was the tightest closet corset ever under her dress. And the next day she revealed

[00:27:27] that corset to ya, okay. There's a picture of her on Instagram. I'm saying what are you telling

[00:27:33] young girls? And there's the same woman was once selling some diet lollipops which were

[00:27:38] absolutely dangerous for young girls. So I'm saying that, you know, but then the media will

[00:27:44] splash her picture, she'll get endorsements and I mean, to put on the cover of magazines.

[00:27:49] I'm saying that we have all played a part in what we've done to our bodies.

[00:27:57] We're also telling young girls that listen, we have not really come out from the face

[00:28:02] of con with the wind with Scarlett O'Hara had to have Mammy Lee sir into a corset to get a

[00:28:07] waist 16. Yeah, women have gone through all the waves of feminism just to lace themselves back into

[00:28:12] corsets that can't stay ways into unnatural sizes and heaven knows I mean, I have great hope from

[00:28:19] this generation maybe they will break out of the corsets. Well, Jamila Jamil, the actress,

[00:28:25] she has been speaking about her struggle with weight and her eating disorder. And she put up

[00:28:33] a post about Kim Kardashian as well. You know, I was sitting there and feeling outraged at that

[00:28:36] was going over photographs. She's spoken about it. She's saying that I can't even just blame Kim

[00:28:41] because she said it's the media that amplifies all of these things and queues up, you know, to

[00:28:48] to promote this and we are the building and able consumers of all this that's what happens. So

[00:28:55] we're enabling this and we need to stop as consumers for the sake of our children and

[00:29:01] our grandchildren. I mean, the planet is going to seed. So I don't know what I don't see.

[00:29:06] I don't see Kiran in a car. Sorry, I don't see Krishna corset coming. You said Kiran in a car.

[00:29:11] Please keep that.

[00:29:16] I don't see Christian a corset soon, but I get what you're saying. No, but I'm just saying that

[00:29:19] corset or no corset you are trying to promote this thing that this sort of a cinch waist

[00:29:23] is how an ideal way should be and then a bum like that. And kids don't know that she's

[00:29:27] put injectables in her bum. And even if they know, then they'll want to put injectables in their bum.

[00:29:32] And it's not just girls. It's also the boys who are getting this unnatural

[00:29:38] feedback that you have to be adept and you have to be jacked and you have to have

[00:29:42] these many party packs. Yeah, like the dialogue starting from fitness then goes into this

[00:29:47] extremely superficial space. There's no end to it. There's absolutely no end to it.

[00:29:51] Yes, when I'd gained a lot of weight two years ago, I was like a foghorn at night.

[00:29:56] I was storing so much that my husband recorded it and played it back for me.

[00:30:00] And I thought I'd sleep apnea, but I guess you could play bleed insanity, you know,

[00:30:08] I'm not exaggerating. I'm speaking the truth. And then I lost that weight and at least my foghorn

[00:30:14] snores have sort of calmed down a bit. So I mean, fitness is important. Fitness is important

[00:30:21] body positive. But punishing your body to look a certain way is the main thing.