The Next Best Series Podcast: Episode 42 - Random Emmy Thoughts & Trailers For "Presumed Innocent" & "Eric"

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[00:01:02] We took it all.

[00:01:09] We brought them to this night, amber hot and icy cold, the rage of the earth.

[00:01:19] We made this curse.

[00:01:20] Carved it in the blood on our backs.

[00:01:24] We did not see.

[00:01:26] We could not, but she did.

[00:01:27] And in the end...

[00:01:28] What will I become?

[00:01:29] Senua's Saga, Hellblade 2.

[00:01:34] Play it now with Game Pass.

[00:01:35] And the Emmy goes to...

[00:01:39] And the Emmy goes to...

[00:01:40] Breaking Bad.

[00:01:41] Batman.

[00:01:42] Modern Family.

[00:01:43] Thief.

[00:01:44] Homeland.

[00:01:45] The Crown.

[00:01:46] The Devil!

[00:01:47] Hello everyone and welcome to episode 42 of the Next Best Series podcast where we talk

[00:01:55] about television here on the Next Best Picture podcast.

[00:01:58] I am your host, Matt Neglia.

[00:02:01] The time of recording is 9.06pm on May 8th, 2024.

[00:02:07] By the time you're listening to this, this episode will be posted a little bit after

[00:02:11] that.

[00:02:12] But for this week, I've got some special guests joining me to talk about their television

[00:02:19] watching habits this year's Emmy Award season.

[00:02:23] I'm really excited to hear their perspectives on what's going on and I thought it would

[00:02:27] be fun to kind of spice the show up a little bit with their opinions.

[00:02:31] So first up here, we have the brand new announced awards editor of In Session Film, Shadan Larky,

[00:02:40] everyone.

[00:02:41] Hi, hi everybody.

[00:02:42] Matt, thank you so much for having me.

[00:02:44] I'm excited.

[00:02:45] This is my Next Best Picture debut, so I'm really looking forward to this.

[00:02:49] No, yeah, I'm very much looking forward to it as well.

[00:02:52] I'm glad that we were finally able to work something out here.

[00:02:55] And returning to the show, I love having this guy on from Awards Daily TV, Joey Moser, everyone.

[00:03:03] Hey, thanks for having me back.

[00:03:06] Absolutely, Joey.

[00:03:08] So like I said, kind of starting off at the top here, I want to know what you guys have

[00:03:13] been watching.

[00:03:14] What have you been enjoying so far this television awards season?

[00:03:18] I'll kick it off first by telling you all, I just recently watched the latest episode

[00:03:24] of Sugar on Apple TV with Colin Farrell and I felt like my brain split in two, like big,

[00:03:33] big piece of watermelon.

[00:03:34] I just could feel that chomp go right down the middle, the juice squirting everywhere.

[00:03:40] I was so, so shocked by this big, big twist reveal.

[00:03:47] I knew there was going to be something the show had built up, that there was clearly

[00:03:50] something that they were building up to.

[00:03:53] But my God, did I not see this coming?

[00:03:55] I dare not reveal for anyone who doesn't know what it is.

[00:03:59] But this just made my curiosity in the show that much higher now for moving forward.

[00:04:05] So yeah, I mean, I've got other things I could talk about, but I just want to start off with

[00:04:09] that.

[00:04:10] Shadam, what about you?

[00:04:11] What have you been catching up with lately?

[00:04:13] Well, I'm a few episodes.

[00:04:14] I have a few episodes left of Baby Reindeer and I just started The Curse last night.

[00:04:21] So I'm trying to get out of my usual territory of like the Gilded Age and these sort of juicy

[00:04:27] dramas that I like and stretch myself a bit.

[00:04:31] I'm feeling a little uncomfortable if I'm going to be honest.

[00:04:34] Yes, we like it.

[00:04:35] We like when people get pushed into uncomfortability.

[00:04:38] Right, right.

[00:04:39] Baby Reindeer in particular is like not at all what I was expecting.

[00:04:44] Like I think if people had told me a little bit more about what it was about, I might

[00:04:47] have stayed away from it.

[00:04:50] Trigger warnings abound on that one.

[00:04:52] But I do really, really like it.

[00:04:54] And then The Curse, I mean, I can't I don't know.

[00:04:57] I'm only like one episode into it.

[00:04:58] I'm watching it for Emma Stone.

[00:05:02] I think she's going to be a major contender.

[00:05:05] Two very different shows, but it's been an interesting ride so far.

[00:05:09] Those two have been standouts for me this season as well.

[00:05:12] I've gone on record before.

[00:05:13] I'll say it again here.

[00:05:14] Baby Reindeer is my number one favorite show I've seen so far this year.

[00:05:19] I had a really, really strong emotional reaction to that show and I don't think that that's

[00:05:25] going to leave me anytime soon.

[00:05:28] And The Curse, The Curse just like for me just continually got better and better as it

[00:05:33] went, culminating in this absolutely mind melting episode.

[00:05:38] I'm definitely describing my head splitting in a lot of ways on this episode.

[00:05:42] But The Curse was one of those jaw dropping moments.

[00:05:46] Once again, for those who have not seen it, I dare not reveal exactly what happens.

[00:05:50] But I'll just say it was gravity defying.

[00:05:55] Joey, what about you?

[00:05:57] I am one episode into all three of the shows.

[00:06:00] Baby Reindeer, The Curse, Sugar.

[00:06:03] I'm just starting Shogun.

[00:06:05] I finished Baby Reindeer last week.

[00:06:09] I don't particularly get uncomfortable watching things like I don't have that sort of, I typically

[00:06:17] don't have that secondhand like, feeling a lot but I have that pretty much every episode

[00:06:25] watching that.

[00:06:26] What a unique, weird show that is.

[00:06:30] I've been doing a lot of rewatching.

[00:06:33] I just, the show that I'm going to be really annoying about for the whole rest of this

[00:06:37] Emmy season is Under the Bridge.

[00:06:39] I've finished that whole thing.

[00:06:41] I think episode five just came out on Hulu.

[00:06:44] I think that's the under the radar contender for Emmy season.

[00:06:49] So yeah, lots, lots of catch up.

[00:06:51] I have to start Lawman Bass Reeves.

[00:06:53] I watched one episode of that too.

[00:06:54] So when I'm at the state where I was like, Alright, I have these like eight shows.

[00:06:58] And I just rotate for one episode to the other.

[00:07:01] Usually that's the way to do it around this time.

[00:07:02] I mean, it feels almost insurmountable if you decide to binge watch everything that

[00:07:09] you have at your disposal.

[00:07:10] But I think kind of cycling through and going from one show to another that feels a lot

[00:07:16] more attainable.

[00:07:17] And then over time, you realize, Oh my god, I just got through all the shows and you wouldn't

[00:07:22] even realize it.

[00:07:24] Yeah, I had to do.

[00:07:26] I had to back to the back.

[00:07:27] I was really limited on time between watching stuff and you know, doing stuff for my job.

[00:07:33] And I had to watch all of all of Feud season two, the Capote versus the Swans and Apple

[00:07:40] TVs, the new look, which is I think eight episodes and 10 episodes.

[00:07:46] And I had to figure out how to watch all 18 hours of that in a span of I think four days.

[00:07:53] I wanted to die.

[00:07:55] I thought you were going to say two days, four days actually does sound a little doable.

[00:08:00] You would think that then like if it's like I wasn't necessarily a huge fan of the new

[00:08:06] look and those are like full hour.

[00:08:09] I think there's a huge difference between a full hour show and a 48 minute show.

[00:08:15] And one of them it takes I think the new look takes a long time to giddy up and that

[00:08:23] was it's a lot Nazis and war and and then you go the other way.

[00:08:28] Alcoholic homosexuals and everyone's being mean to each other.

[00:08:31] And yeah, Joey, can we touch on Feud for a second because that was one of my most anticipated

[00:08:37] shows of the season.

[00:08:39] And I don't want to say it was a letdown, but it just wasn't what I was expecting.

[00:08:43] And like there are moments of it that I love and I think are really strong.

[00:08:47] But then like, I don't I'm very mixed on that show.

[00:08:50] Like, do you think that that's going to land with voters at all?

[00:08:54] Uh, no.

[00:08:57] I do think some of its performers could break it.

[00:09:00] Yeah, I think the I think it's I think it's just a really it's a somber season.

[00:09:07] It's really it's really depressing, not like depressing can't be good or is not worthy.

[00:09:11] But it's just like, all right, we're descending deeper into alcoholism.

[00:09:16] And wow, they never I'm a person who knew this story before going into it.

[00:09:20] I'm not saying I expected a little bit more camp.

[00:09:24] But this didn't have any camp really except you know, do me more running around with a

[00:09:30] shotgun but that's that's it.

[00:09:33] But that's the thing is that it sounds like to me that the buzz for this one is just not

[00:09:39] existing at the moment.

[00:09:40] So if it is going to get nominated, my guess is it's going to get nominated maybe for some

[00:09:46] guest performances and maybe some crafts here or there but I don't think it's getting into

[00:09:53] you know, the main categories.

[00:09:57] I would agree.

[00:09:58] I think I think they sort of really I think they sort of screw over limited series in

[00:10:03] general because generally there's only five slots, maybe six when typically limited series

[00:10:09] are the the buzziest shows that shows that sustain buzz throughout the whole season.

[00:10:15] You know, and you know why?

[00:10:16] Obviously, well, I mean, they they have they can have like bigger budgets and get bigger

[00:10:20] stars.

[00:10:21] They because you know, maybe a movie star is not, you know, obligated to do more than

[00:10:25] one season and less of an investment from the audience.

[00:10:28] Exactly.

[00:10:29] Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:30] I mean, I don't have to watch it year in and year out for returning seasons.

[00:10:33] I can invest six hours or whatever it is.

[00:10:36] And that's it.

[00:10:37] Wow.

[00:10:38] What a great six hour investment that was watching, you know, whatever miniseries it

[00:10:42] is.

[00:10:43] It's I find this happening every single year and it's truly confounding to me that they

[00:10:48] have such limited slots.

[00:10:50] And then you go over to something like drama series and it's like an apocalyptic wasteland.

[00:10:57] There's barely any contenders for drama series this year.

[00:11:01] That's like worth.

[00:11:02] I mean, there's some shows that people care about.

[00:11:05] Don't get me wrong, but it's just not exciting this year.

[00:11:08] We took it all.

[00:11:10] We brought them to our land.

[00:11:13] An endless night, ember hot and icy cold.

[00:11:18] The rage of the earth.

[00:11:21] We made this curse.

[00:11:23] Carved it in the blood on our backs.

[00:11:26] We did not see.

[00:11:27] We could not, but she did.

[00:11:29] And in the end, what will I become?

[00:11:32] Senua's Saga.

[00:11:33] Hellblade 2.

[00:11:34] Play it now with Game Pass.

[00:11:37] Yeah, drama feels like darts on a wall at this point because I'm like any number of

[00:11:42] shows could be the ones that are filling out, you know, the six, seven, eight slot, you

[00:11:47] know, like nothing stands out.

[00:11:49] Yeah, that's the categories that I'm like really struggling with where I'm like, where

[00:11:54] are they going to go?

[00:11:55] It feels like they could go any number of directions because nothing is really solidified.

[00:11:59] If anything, the thing that's making it exciting is maybe something with a very, very small

[00:12:05] number of votes, but just enough to get nominated gets in and we're all like, why?

[00:12:10] How did this happen?

[00:12:12] Yeah, somebody, somebody at Apple's like, it's slow horses this year.

[00:12:17] I think it is.

[00:12:18] You don't?

[00:12:19] It could be.

[00:12:20] I think I don't have it.

[00:12:21] I think it's probably nine or 10, but I would not be surprised if I landed in there.

[00:12:26] I think Gary Oldman is going to win this year personally.

[00:12:29] Oh my God.

[00:12:32] Yeah.

[00:12:33] I have him in that slot right now going through.

[00:12:36] If you look, I was just yesterday I was looking at last year's Emmys ceremony and I was just

[00:12:44] looking I was on like the Wikipedia page and sort of just looking at the things that are

[00:12:50] not going to come back.

[00:12:51] I think more than half of like comedy series isn't going to come back either if it turns

[00:12:57] out like the show ended or it's just, you know, it didn't film because maybe something

[00:13:03] with like the writer strike or, you know, they take long breaks in between seasons and

[00:13:07] it's sort of just like, wow, if you look at like this year versus next year, it's great.

[00:13:14] Like people going to be looking back on it.

[00:13:15] Like, wow, there is no continuity here at all.

[00:13:20] Let me ask you this.

[00:13:21] Speaking of continuity, do you think we're going to get any repeat Oscar nominees winners

[00:13:27] at this year's Emmys Emmy Awards?

[00:13:31] Like winners winning an Emmy?

[00:13:34] I'll go so far as to say, yeah, a little like let's just say both, you know, nominees and

[00:13:39] winners.

[00:13:40] But yeah, let's say for example, we already talked about Emma Stone.

[00:13:44] I think, you know, there's a pretty strong case to be made that she'll be nominated for

[00:13:49] The Curse.

[00:13:50] When is another conversation?

[00:13:53] And then there's Robert Downey Jr. with The Sympathizer.

[00:13:56] And I feel like I have this feeling that we're all kind of defaulting to saying that he's

[00:14:05] going to get in and possibly win when really I'm not feeling the love so much for The Sympathizer

[00:14:12] as much as I feel like there should be out there.

[00:14:16] And then I look around the corner, and I see there's Jonathan Bailey over there for fellow

[00:14:21] travelers.

[00:14:22] And I'm like, you know, that's that that to me feels like that has a lot of passion behind

[00:14:27] it.

[00:14:28] And I think it's going to be a case of, is it going to be this passionate choice?

[00:14:34] Or is that predominantly an online thing and Downey's got the industry behind him and still

[00:14:38] riding the coattails of Oppenheimer?

[00:14:41] Yeah, I've been thinking about whether I'm in an echo chamber as well, because I've just

[00:14:45] noticed like, literally over the past two or three days, I've seen a lot of tweets

[00:14:49] echoing exactly what you just said, Matt of like, I rolled that RDJ is going to get in

[00:14:54] and probably win when Jonathan Bailey is so much better.

[00:14:57] So I don't know if that's just an online thing.

[00:14:59] I think we I think RDJ and hopefully both Bailey are in and then we could be looking

[00:15:04] at a scenario where Downey Jr. doesn't actually get across the finish line.

[00:15:08] But I mean, to your point, he does have a lot of industry support.

[00:15:11] And he's been everywhere post Oscar win, you know, like he wasn't it's not one of those

[00:15:16] things where he won his Oscar and went away.

[00:15:18] So I could see there being a lot of residual love there.

[00:15:23] And then to bring Lily Gladstone, like Joey, do you think that that even if under the bridge

[00:15:28] is an under radar thing?

[00:15:30] Do you think that her sort of name and star power is enough to carry that into a nomination?

[00:15:36] I think Lily Gladstone is in.

[00:15:39] Also because they put her in.

[00:15:41] She's supporting and not lead, which I think it was actually now that I finished the whole

[00:15:45] season, I think that's a smart decision because the leads of under the bridge are the sort

[00:15:51] of no name younger people.

[00:15:55] And also supporting in a limited series usually has seven or eight slots.

[00:16:02] So I think that's a good thing to put in for her.

[00:16:05] I think I have her in.

[00:16:08] I think that I treat to be told about the sympathizer.

[00:16:13] I think HBO is really wanting there to be a lot of buzz around that show.

[00:16:19] But I only know of one person who has watched that show in terms of like, you know, quote

[00:16:28] unquote, real people and, you know, people in our everyday lives and people that, you

[00:16:36] know, talk about this stuff all the time.

[00:16:37] Like I see a lot of people saying that Robert Downey Jr. is probably going to get in because

[00:16:41] he's Robert Downey Jr.

[00:16:42] But I think that Jonathan Bailey, I'm gonna be so effing mad if he does not get nominated

[00:16:50] because it's a really good performance.

[00:16:53] Fellow Travelers is probably going to underperform because of how many slots are available for

[00:17:02] whatever.

[00:17:03] I do think that because Jonathan Bailey is kind of everywhere too, because, you know,

[00:17:12] I mean, we just saw him at the Met Gala.

[00:17:13] He's gonna be in Wicked.

[00:17:15] He won Critics Choice for Fellow Travelers.

[00:17:19] It's a very, of the two men, I think Jonathan Bailey is probably in over Matt Bomer.

[00:17:27] And I mainly because he gives a very open hearted, emotional performance.

[00:17:34] I haven't caught up with the sympathizer yet.

[00:17:35] So I can't attest to what I think about the show.

[00:17:38] I need to catch up with it.

[00:17:39] But I'm gonna be really mad if they name check Robert Downey Jr. just because it's Robert

[00:17:45] Downey Jr.

[00:17:46] Two things to add to your point is that Jonathan Bailey is also going to be showing up in

[00:17:50] Bridgerton.

[00:17:51] So like, thank you.

[00:17:52] That's a good point.

[00:17:53] More top of mind for me, like just seeing him there could be a boost.

[00:17:57] And also I just have to say that Jonathan Bailey in Fellow Travelers is one of my favorite

[00:18:01] performances of the year in any category.

[00:18:04] Like I, that show is phenomenal.

[00:18:06] But I think just there's something about his work and like the chemistry with Bomer that

[00:18:10] really elevates it.

[00:18:12] And then one other Oscar winner from last year that I think is going to be a major,

[00:18:16] major contender and guest actress is Jamie Lee Curtis.

[00:18:19] Like I think the bear is going to dominate everything.

[00:18:23] But also just those guest categories are going to be filled with like everyone from that

[00:18:27] vicious episode.

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