Ep 258-Loveyaapa and Deva songs, The Glassworker Review and "Patreon Pick" Caravan

[00:00:15] Hi, this is Asim. This is Sujoy. This is Amritha. And you're listening to Khandaan, a Bollywood Podcast about the three main Khans of the Hindi film industry. Aamir, Salman and Shahrukh. Hi, you're listening to Khandaan, a Bollywood Podcast regular feed. Thank you so much for your support over the years. We now have a Patreon channel with bonus content and exclusive merch for those of you who would like to support us.

[00:00:39] Every dollar goes towards creating more and better content. Visit us at patreon.com slash khandan podcast. Hi and welcome to a new episode of Khandaan Podcast. My name is Asim Burney. I'm joined with my lovely co-host Amritha and Sujoy. Hey, Amritha and Sujoy. Namaskar. He's Tanskari Sujoy. I'm in my 70s era now. No, no, it's not 70s era just because you know that I'm recording now.

[00:01:06] What happened before you, I know. We have to live through that. Sorry. He's like cussing and then... No, no, no, Voda phone. You guys didn't. You know, like... We get you. We're just love for you, man. Yeah, yeah. Amritha, Sujoy has recorded a record of F-Bombs last episode, by the way. Like, I don't know what he was going through. It's just like... What were we talking about? Baby John.

[00:01:36] Okay. It's justified. It's justified. What are we doing this episode? This is our hangout episode. We're going to hang out, like, talk about a few things up and down. It's basically the last one before we start our Dhamaaka 80s series. After this, it's going to be the 80s. We've picked our 15 movies. 10 that we picked, 5 that our patrons picked. And it's going to be amazing. I'm so excited. You know, 80s, man. What was the time?

[00:02:05] You know, 97 was not, but it was 80s. What was the lyrics from Kars? I've never seen Kars. Oh, wow. You guys should see Sujoy's face, right? There was a clip of Biswa on a panel. Some... I can't remember with whom. So he was talking about movies. And he was like,

[00:02:34] I grew up in a very academic background. In my house, we didn't really watch movies. I still haven't watched Shole. And I was like, my God, what's happening in Odissai, the 80s, 90s? But we'll talk about Kars when we talk about Kars. It is part of the... It is part of the list, yes. Yeah, so it was tight. But yeah, it got picked. So we're very excited to do that. So come follow us on that journey after this episode, pretty much. You know, we will be dropping an episode.

[00:03:03] This episode, we will be talking about Caravan, which is a listener's pick. So if you are a 20-tier... Actually, from $10 onwards, you can pick a movie. And the $20 ones can bypass it and it gets selected as a main review. So this was a pick from Turtle Pirate. I'll be reading her message when we start talking about Caravan. A movie, again, I had never watched. So interesting. But let's start...

[00:03:32] Start talking about some random stuff first. I wanted to... Let's do... Let's read a few messages, maybe. And I want to also give a shout-out to people in Patreon that have signed up to become Patreon members, which is always cool because it's hard, man. It's hard running this podcast. So I will be really, really grateful for everybody that, you know, contributes with their time or with their money. And these are the new people that signed up. There's a few people that actually

[00:04:00] stopped their Patreon, which is fine. I want to thank you for supporting us while you did. Times are tough, so I understand not everybody can do that. But thank you to Seema J, Carlo, Mandeep, Abhishek, Queen Esther, and Karen. These are all the people that sign up to Patreon. Thank you so much for being part of the Khandan. We also got... Yes. Sorry, I couldn't see your expression because I was going back and forth.

[00:04:30] That's the... I didn't notice that you were going to say something. But we also got some lovely messages. So let's read out some messages that we got. You want to go with Raza first, Amrita? Yes. Raza from Lahore sent in a very lovely message. Can I just say, when I got a message from Lahore, I was literally Amrish Puri from DDLJ. Very Mastadhiroti, very Sarsad Asag. I said, I'm Lahore, it's just me. Oh, Lajo.

[00:05:01] Oh, Lajo. For one moment in time, Asim even liked Punjabis. You're going to get me, you know, Musa Siddhwal Adi, you know, like, oh damn. Punjabis are still... Do they still have it out for you, Asim? No, I apologize. But my apologies apparently don't work. I apologize. I love Punjabis.

[00:05:30] I love Punjabis. My best friends are Punjabis. That's such a Belgian response. Okay, so this is from Raza from Lahore, who's been listening to the podcast for a couple of years, but is writing in for the first time. He wrote us a beautiful email. We all read it. We all really appreciated it. We love letters like these that basically tell us about how they connected with the podcast and,

[00:06:00] and a whole bunch of other things. I am going to paraphrase it a little bit because it is a very long message and I'm going to keep it short for the episode, but Raza, we really loved reading every bit of it. He talks about how he is a 90s kid and basically Bollywood kind of fell and he was more into cricket and Hollywood. As he grew older and life events happened

[00:06:27] and he thought that he was more into cricket and Hollywood, but he says, there always felt a connection even though I kept missing actor debuts and cutting edge directors. Finally, I figured out what that connection was. The Khans. Even when I pretended to be too cool for Bollywood, I kept up with Shahrukh, Aamir, and Salman's antics. Whether I like it or not, and I love it, my childhood is not just

[00:06:56] Shah Jah matches and Pepsi tournaments. It's also Karan Arjun, Bazi Garh, Dar, Gulam, Sarfaroosh, Lagan, DDLJ, Dil Toh Pagal Hai, Ham Aap Ke Hai Kaun, and of course, K3G and Mohawbatin. So when I finally admitted that Bollywood means something to me and got into podcasts during COVID, it was natural that I found Khan Daan podcast. And after listening to all these episodes, I want to offer a profound thanks to all three of you.

[00:07:26] All my love, gratitude, and warmth for all three of you. Overthinker that I am, I kept thinking what makes this podcast the podcast for me. Then he says very nice things about our competition that I'm not going to read out. Bhaar me though. No, no, they're friends of us. He's saying nice things about Sucharita and Rappal. I love Sucharita.

[00:07:58] So why does he keep coming back to Khan Daan? And he says, it's all three of you and how you guys interact with one another. I don't want to get corny or cringy, but the love you guys have for one another and for Bollywood is pretty evident. And I think I responded to that. I am drawn to empathy and warmth and this podcast is all this and ten times more. Beneath all the banter, all the bad news in the world, all the clutter of modern life around us, Aasem, Amrita, and Sujoy seem like an ocean

[00:08:27] of calm and love. We listen to you because we feel the friendship, we feel the calmness, and we keep coming back because we love the Khans. Even though you guys have expanded to other actors in current films, the podcast is centered around three 60-year-olds. And what the hell, that's amazing. What I love is what each of you brings to the table. I always thought Amrita was the heart of the show, Sujoy, like me, the lovable joker, and Aasem, the empathetic intellectual. But maybe there's

[00:08:57] another permutation that works better. Sujoy is the heart, all capitals, of the show. Aasem is the lovable joker. Come on, Salman Khan. And Amrita is the emphatic, no-nonsense, intellectual of this setup. Honestly, it could work with any combination, but I love it like this. Actually, Raza, you know what? I was actually thinking about this earlier today, even before I read your letter. And honestly, like, you guys don't understand just how nice

[00:09:26] Aasem and Sujoy are. Like, they really care, you know? They're like sweet little boys. They're all like rough and tough on the outside, especially Aasem, but they're like the sweetest guys. And I'm a stone-cold bitch. Like, you guys don't understand. I was just gonna compliment you for reading the line Aasem is an intellectual and not laughing your mind. That was an answer. I'm just like,

[00:09:55] I'm still stuck at Sujoy is the heart of the podcast and I'm like, But you are. It's Kapoorin Mera Namjoker with the big heart and dancing. Oh, Oh, God. No, but you are a pookie. You are like such a pookie. God. A 42-year-old pookie. Pooka. 42-year-old pookie. Okay.

[00:10:25] Let's go back to Reza who's like much nicer than you guys. So Reza says, Like everything in my life, I hesitate to take the first step. I resisted joining Patreon for the longest time because that's me. But I will be pledging to you guys shortly. Not because that's how love is measured. Money has its place. But because by taking this step, I will feel one step closer to my fave podcasters. That is so nice. Yes. You know, like I, we keep telling people like you can join even as a free Patreon.

[00:10:55] That's also fine. We do have content like some content is meant for the free tier as well. We are always happy to see like more people join the community. Reza concludes by saying, Honestly, I sincerely hope you guys continue for the next hundred years. I'm saying this for purely selfish reasons, of course, but I need you guys for all the reasons I have listed above and many more. This world, honestly, is held together by the love of a few good people. Someone smart said this once and you guys are certainly good.

[00:11:25] You guys are the DDLJ, Sarfaroosh and Hama Kehenkorn movie podcast and I love spending time with all three of you. Happy holidays, Khandan pod. Stay blessed. Reza, happy holidays to you too. I hope, like it's already January. I hope you had like a great break. Thank you so much for writing in Deirai Per Durasdai and we are so happy when people like you write in because it's always, like when kind people write in,

[00:11:55] it's always nice, right? And I think that's, like we were, we were talking about this on the other episode about TikTok not being a part of America anymore and I was just reading something about, you know, TikTok was the place for community and I think with Patreon that's kind of really become a place where it is about love and positivity and I love when new people join up in Patreon because they're so motivated, it's like, what's happening here? You know, like that kind of thing and it's just, it's just lovely getting these long emails

[00:12:24] and I just like also how people think about us. I just, it's so interesting to hear, right? How they see us because obviously we've known each other for so long, we don't necessarily think about each other like the way people, because they have to project, right? That's the whole idea. I think, yeah, I think Amrita is all of those things and Sujoy is all of those things and beside that he's also Sujoy and beside that it's also Amrita, two people that I

[00:12:54] absolutely love and every time I read an email like this or it's the end of the year, I start getting emotional how much I love them and how much they bring into my life but yeah, I just love hearing that that love shines through to other people too, you know? Asim just wants us to say that he's the intellectual of the group. Just give me compliments. I'm a, you know, a Desi kid. I am lacking in love and appreciation. That's what it is.

[00:13:24] We love you, Asim. Thank you, we love you. We love you so much. And thank you, Reza. Welcome to Khan Daan. Welcome to Khan Daan. Sujoy, you want to read one more from Seema? Yes, Seema J writes, also a Patreon member, Hello Khan Daan. I just wanted to send a message to say how much I love this podcast. I was born and raised in Canada and I was always obsessed with everything Bollywood. I had very few people with who I could share my obsession with besides my parents

[00:13:54] and thankfully I now have this podcast. You guys have filled the void I needed with your hot takes, film reviews and discussions. I'm happy to be supporting this podcast and I can't wait for more. Welcome to Khan Daan, Seema. So lovely. And I got a lot of other messages on Patreon too but I think we need a system. Sometimes we get messages on Patreon and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to read them but maybe I should check that, like reply and say give me like a short version and I can read it on the show

[00:14:23] because there's a lot of like, we get so many personal stories, we get so many different stories and sometimes I'm a bit uncomfortable sharing them but our community is great and you know like, even by the way side point when you guys were off I was actually going to make a reel about this but then I forgot. I don't know if you noticed on Instagram there was this function about say something to us towards the end of the year and people could just write in a message and then I could reply to it.

[00:14:53] I was just keeping myself busy in Belgium. You guys probably missed that whole thing, right? But the three things that got to me is that A, people said how anti-misogynist we are, how much positivity we bring, how much we talk about Gaza and Palestine and how much like, how much our narrative counters Islamophobia

[00:15:22] and how needed that is. All of those three, four points and I love that, that those were the messages. I really, when I thought I'll put some that prompt on Instagram, I would get like, you know, who's your favorite Khan or who would you cast? You know, the movie related things. But all of the messages were these messages. And I was like, man, I never thought that a film podcast would be a political protest movement.

[00:15:52] like, I'm not saying we are, but I think for certain people, we're giving them something that nobody else is. Nobody's speaking up. Nobody can do it because we can do it because A, this is us, right? These are things that are important to us. We're not faking it. We're not doing it. And the other thing is that we're completely independent. So we can do say whatever we want. I have friends at the BBC that cannot say what they want to say about the world because they're part of a bigger conglomerate.

[00:16:22] We've had these discussions with streaming companies that want to maybe, you know, host Khandan and stuff like that. But we suddenly when they go through the content, we don't hear back anymore, right? But I just thought that is so lovely. Like, I remember we got an email, Amrita, you got one about, you know, Sujo and me being feminist and how important that voice is and things like that. And that's why we don't want to sell, heart sell the Patreon, right? But it allows us to continue to do

[00:16:51] the show and continue to be a voice for these kind of things. And I just, at that moment, I was in Belgium, it was like dark days, you guys were off, so I was kind of feeling like kisse baat karu. Those messages were so heartening, like they really, they really hit, like I was really happy with those. So yeah, I just wanted to kind of point out everybody that was on the Instagram kind of sending us messages and all. So shout out to them. If you can't join Patreon, follow us on Instagram, follow us on TikTok,

[00:17:22] that's also a good way to interact with us, you know. And we'll be doing more. And I'll see you. Absolutely. Yes. I must ask him to nag me through January so that I can make more reels because I can't do anything without any prompts, apparently. I just need to nag him now. That's the rule, which I'm good at. Let's get over to movie news because before it gets too emotional, you know, this is not a Jay Shetty podcast.

[00:17:55] Let's talk about a few of the songs that came out quickly. A song I absolutely love and I don't understand the world on the Twitters because they hate it and I don't understand what people want anymore. The Love Yapa song dropped with Junaid Khan and catchy.

[00:18:39] Like, I don't understand why everyone hates it. Like, is it just because Junaid looks like he's in his 40s? Is that what it is? No, they say both, one I read was both Junaid and Khushi are a chasm of charisma. They have nothing to give. That's not true. I, like, how, like, I just find it always fascinating when we look at the same thing and we see completely different things. And that I just find so fascinating about conversations online because I think they

[00:19:09] look amazing. I think they're great. I think I have seen Maharaj, right? And I thought Junaid was great in it. I love the Archies. I think Khushi is good in it. So I don't know what people want. I think it's such a lovely catchy song. I'm really, really having a lot of fun with it. You also like it, Amrita, right? Yeah, it's a banger. And it's so, and it's imaginative. Like it is one of those songs that is clearly choreographed and shot for the TikTok generation, right? Like it is 100%

[00:19:39] meant for an online audience. But it's a very throwback rom-com for young people. Like remember when we used to have those? Like why can't we have that again? Like I just don't get it. And the, oh well, do we want to talk a little bit about what's happening around Laviapa? Yes. Yeah, go ahead. Because we are the Khandan. Let's talk about the Khand. Yeah, so I saw,

[00:20:08] you know, I had just come back on vacation and then held a press conference for Laviapa and Amr was there for some reason. Is Amr producing this? No. So then Amr just like crashed the press conference. I don't know why he's there. They just ask Amr to promote things because it goes really well apparently. And the first thing Amr does is like, yeah, I didn't like Junair's performance in Maharashtra. Really? Did he say that?

[00:20:38] What an asshole. He's like, I looked at that and then I looked at my performance in my first film and I thought both of it were comparable. And I'm just like, excuse me, are we comparing Junair and Maharaj to Raak? Is that what is happening? Or is he like USQT? What is he trying to do? And also what a terrible way to launch your kid. Oh my god, that poor child.

[00:21:10] I kept talking about Shridevi to Kushi. And I saw that one of the reporters was saying things like, if your mother was alive today, how do you think you would feel? And I'm just like, what kind of What a shitty question. I swear to god. And at a certain point, Kushi got progressively more upset. And she kept saying that, you know, I don't want to talk about this. I don't want to talk about this. And Amr would say things like, yeah, I understand. And then like, keep talking about Shridevi. And I'm like, somebody

[00:21:40] buy a clue. Like, what kind of shitty people are these? Like, shut the fuck up. Amrita's first F-bomb. Totally 99 more to go to manage to Javri. But Amir Khan pay. I get so upset about like, you know, like, whatever you feel about Kushi and Janvi, and maybe they're not the best actors, maybe you find that they have

[00:22:09] all these privileges that annoy you, whatever that might be. Don't bring up things like their mother's tragic passing, when you know that's a thing. I have to bring up something I saw on Twitter this morning itself when I woke up, and it's something that RGV posted. So Ram Gopal Verma posted a video which is AI generated, and it's a remake of... Only those words are so scary to me, Sujong. You don't know what's coming.

[00:22:40] RGV posted something that is AI generated. I was like, oh my god! It's AI generated, redone, you know, edit of the substance, but with Demi Moore being played by Shridevi, and the younger one is Janvi, and the guy who, you know, in the trailer, the person who is, you know, saying the rules of the substance and how the balance has to be maintained, is they show the narrator to be RGV basically. It's like, so bad,

[00:23:09] so bad on so many levels. There was also, somebody sent me a screenshot of RGV on Twitter or something saying how he'd never worked with Janvi because she's not anywhere near as good as Shridevi, and I was like, is Janvi asking you to work with her? like, what are you even talking about? Yeah. Coming back to Junet Khan, my sort of problem with Lavi Apa, and that's what everybody is talking about, how he looks like in his 40s. The joy is the enemy in

[00:23:39] our midst. I don't like it, guys. I don't image of him. He looks like Imtiazali, guys. Oh. And that's not my hero. Sal, actually, Sal, our friend Sal in the bad part, Sal had

[00:24:08] a tweet of where she was looking forward to the new movie with Aamir Khan's sexagenarian son. But I heard about this online that there's this epidemic of whatever gen he's part of, that they age much quicker than our generation, that we

[00:24:38] kind of still look good for our age. Whereas these guys, they're like 26 and they look like 45. And maybe that's what's happening. Maybe he's very much in tune with his generation. I don't know. We were just talking about Hrithik Roshan. In Kahuna Pyaar Hai. It's what we were praising that a boy looks like a man. I mean, I don't know. He's just like a dude to me. I don't know. Yeah. He does not look like Imran Khan. He does not look like Imran Khan that has that

[00:25:08] boyish quality, right? But I don't also think Imran Khan would have been able to pull off Maharaj in his first movie, right? So it does allow him to do these kind of things. But I think he's suitable for Maharaj. He looks of that era, right? In my head, you know, sort of, it's that theory that Raj Kapoor was born as a 50-year-old. And it's like that, you know, Maharaj, Junet Khan fits into that era of he was born as an old man. Simpson, stop, he's already

[00:25:38] dead. Asin, you and I are boomers clearly. And, you know, Sujoy is with it. So, yeah. I think so. I think so. I think this is a movie that maybe you could take your daughter to watch. It looks fun. It looks like she likes Kushi. She's seen her in Archie's. And I just, for me, these two things that reminded me of was very much the energy of that era of and

[00:26:09] those kind of rom coms. Yeah, that's the one. And then there's a Pakistani pop band. You guys probably don't know it, but it was called Doctor or Villa back in the day. They used to make these comedy pop songs. They were so funny. They had this song Purani Car. I just thought it was the funniest thing ever. And I'll try to find the tracks and send it to you guys. They're very hard to find. But those visuals of kind of like, I don't know how even

[00:26:39] Love Ya Payu, it's like very theatrical, right? It's like little sketches that they're doing basically. They used to do that too and it reminded me of that. So for me, it speaks to me. And I just like young kids, you know, I just hope they're successful and I want the best for them, you know? So maybe it is our boomer energy that we're bringing here, you know? Yeah, I'm looking forward. It is also a remake of a South movie, I think. A Tamil film, yeah. I haven't seen that movie. I don't

[00:27:15] Rami Kumar, yeah. So it's a banger song. That song is not leaving my brain cells. I'm doing like it's so catchy. And Amrita, by the way, I predicted this last episode, we were talking about the trailer of Badass Ravi Kumar and I predicted that this was going to hit exactly where it needs to hit. And it's the room energy with banger songs. And I think Himesh Nishma knows exactly what he's doing. And I think this is going

[00:27:45] to be a big, big hit to be on. It reminded me of I already know like you know like tons of people who usually don't go to watch the movies in the theater and they all are just like yeah, we're going to go watch this movie. It looks like a train wreck with like banger's music and they're all like yeah, yeah, we need that. Yeah. It reminded me of Bolvachan's song. It's that you know,

[00:28:15] oh my God, what a treat. the other day on the BBC they were putting some old song and they put on hookah bar. And my wife was next to me and sometimes she asked me, what am I singing? And I was like, please, for the love of God, do not let me explain this song because I will come over like an insane person. How do you explain hookah bar to somebody who doesn't speak the

[00:28:45] language? But I think the lyrics were simple enough that even she understood and she understood that she should be asking because it's very clear what it is. Taj Mahal is the same energy as hookah bar for sure. Second song that came out from Deva, Bhassar Macha, I think that's the name of the song.

[00:29:27] Have you seen this Amrita? Yeah. So I think this seems to be something you enjoyed more than Love Yapa. Yeah. What do you think of the track? It's very Danton and from Kamine. It's very that and I really like how it is shot. Shahid is clearly having his moment in this song and I love him for it. Yeah, if this is how they're selling the movie, I'm buying that ticket. Amrita?

[00:29:57] I mean, exactly. maybe I'll watch it. I don't know. Yeah, I think it's probably the best movie of the month that's coming out. Like at least there's something interesting in it. I just think it seems to be very gory violence kind of thing, right? So you need to be in that kind of thing. We talk about this in Caravan also later

[00:30:27] on because this is a point I had when I was watching this song. Sometimes the pants are too tight. And you should look at the color coordination of the tight pant with the color of the pant. And I think there's a mistake that Shahid did there. Because, yeah, I think it's just interesting that I didn't look at Shahid's cross as much as

[00:30:56] you did. What else is there to watch? It's in my face the whole time. I don't know if I can say the things that are in my brain at the moment. Saying I could not be wearing those pants. There's no way. In a theatrical release, with that much air topping, I could get

[00:31:26] away with that stuff. So, I'm just saying, there was an episode of, do you guys watch, did you watch Curb Your Enthusiasm? Yeah. They used to talk about the pant tent when you're sitting. This is a clean podcast, so I can't explain what the pant tent was, but it created some, you know, confusion and hilarious, uncomfortable situation,

[00:31:57] as is the case a lot of times with Curb Your Enthusiasm. It's literally all I was thinking about, the pant tent while I was watching the new song. So, yeah, a lot of things were going to my mind. I was just saying, yeah, again, also because I'd just seen Caravan and Jitendra is wearing some really tight pants there too, which I will be talking about later on in Caravan. So, yeah, just saying, if you are wearing tight pants, choose a different color sometimes. See,

[00:32:27] so Joy, this is what happens when you podcast with boomers. I'm just thinking, what a fine tailoring. It's actually not. It's like, you know, I know clothes, man, this is not good tailoring even because it goes too much. Never mind. I can talk about pants like I'm that dye workwear guy, you know, just like the fitting of pants, you know. Avrita, you wanted to talk quickly

[00:32:56] about Black Warrant. Yeah, I mean, just, are you guys trying to watch it? Yes, 100%. I am. Which Kapoor is this? I don't know which Kapoor is. This is Shashi Kapoor's grandson. Kunal Kapoor's son. Loha's son. Yes. Not Loha. Not Loha. What Loha? No Loha. Vicheta? He did Vicheta, right? Yeah. He did Vicheta. Let me quickly verify that. Loha is like Karan Kapoor.

[00:33:26] Is it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's apparently really good. Like I, like I, like I didn't, I didn't really notice, like I didn't notice that this was Shashi Kapoor's son until somebody mentioned it and then I could really, I mean grandson and I could really see the resemblance, you know, this is like very early Shashi Kapoor like from the householder and like,

[00:33:56] you know, like that era. not as beautiful but, you know, nice. Yeah, no, I'm very excited to watch it. Vikram Aditya, right? Yeah, Vikram Aditya Mothani. Yeah, I don't, I don't know how, what it's about. Like I was literally like even last night I was like updating my Netflix to see if it had dropped already and then it got too late. but yeah. It's based on the memoir of this guy who used to be the jailer at one of

[00:34:25] India's most notorious jails, like prisons, like the prison where they have like really high target criminals and terrorists, et cetera, go there. It's called Tihar Jail and it's in Delhi and in the 80s and much of the 90s it was a pretty lawless kind of area like it was notorious for the things that went on in there. So this guy

[00:34:55] who used to be the jailer there around that time wrote a memoir about it and it's based on that. Nice. I think we want to do a, we want to quickly talk about it because I don't know we're starting the 80s series so we might not be covering like content that is like that. We might do it on Patreon though. Yes. So let's see. We might do it on Patreon. Yeah. So but I'm very very excited to watch this. It's getting rave reviews like everyone seems to really like it. And also just like I feel like there's

[00:35:25] been not good content on streaming like Indian content lately and we've got this coming out. We've got the new series. What was that series? With the Jaidi Palawat the one that Arushka season 2 is coming out. It's going to be dark. All of it is going to be really really dark but I'm excited at least something interesting is going on again on streaming you know. So yeah. So you and me watched something this

[00:35:55] week. we got invited to the press screening of The Glass Worker. Dear Vincent I'll never forget my first day in Waterfront Town when I ran off on my own and first came upon the glass works. I had never seen something so beautiful. It was magical.

[00:36:28] Which is directed by Usman Riaz. it is Pakistan's first animated I guess animated full length movie. Feature film. Feature film. Which is also Pakistan's selection to the Oscars. it has been a mammoth undertaking. This guy made has been making this movie for 10 years. There is no infrastructure in Pakistan for

[00:36:58] animated movies and there is no how do you say there's no the audience isn't there like the audience is non-existent for feature film length animated movies. Usually there's this idea that cartoons are for kids. So this mature story which is that long in Pakistan didn't exist. So now his studio is employing

[00:37:27] 500 people and this glass worker is one of the biggest theatrical hits in Pakistan. So it's been sent off to the Oscars. This guy Usman Riaz has done TED Talks. He's been making this movie trying to find funding for it. He went to Japan. He worked at Studio Ghibli which is a reason why the animation is very reminiscent of Studio Ghibli movies. And yeah so we

[00:37:57] watched it this week and it doesn't have distribution yet in the UK and I'm not sure if it will get it or what they're working on but we watched the Urdu version of it. So yeah Sujoy what did you think? I know what you thought of it but yeah let's get into a bit of the glass worker. So I'm a big fan of Ghibli movies right I grew up on it I still watch it I go back

[00:38:26] to it and clearly the glass worker is also feels like made by a student of that school of film school of filmmaking. he definitely worships Miyazaki in a way in the style of art in the way the storytelling is it's trying to grapple through probably the story he wants to tell with some sort of fantastic

[00:38:55] quality about the story there's a flight of imagination there's a flight of fantasy being taken because there's jinns involved in this story and it's set in a fictional land which nobody really tells and it's a very very anti-war story and I appreciate all of those elements coming together in a labor of love that has been made over a decade by a

[00:39:25] single man's conviction to tell this story and I like that's such a uphill task to take on as a 20 year old but also that drive to make that happen for a whole decade is just commendable by itself I can't imagine it I cannot imagine what this guy has gone through to get this movie made like you know I give up like in 10 minutes certain things like this guy is like 10

[00:39:54] years and he's younger than us how unaccomplished do we feel three people on a mic talking about movies having said that I don't think I connected as much with the class worker a probably my own fault because I pretty much fell asleep for like 10 15 minutes of the movie it was longer dude it was longer I don't know so I probably missed some

[00:40:24] certain beats but this is a two hour plus animated movie and I think it could have done with a bit of editing it did feel like the way of storytelling was from a first time director so it needed some more editing to be done for me to directly connect I think probably that's because of how attention deficit I am at the moment you know that could be telling of me

[00:40:53] as an audience but I felt it was lacking in some ways for me to exactly connect with why Vincent and his father and this glass factory why I should be rooting for them I know I should be but I just couldn't and the way the story is told through these extra you know elements it sort of confused me

[00:41:23] more rather than make it all come together perfectly as you would think a glass sculpture metaphorically does so I can appreciate the effort immensely but the movie by itself does not land as much for me yeah it's I get what you're saying like there are moments where the

[00:41:53] movie is janky basically right like it's like but I the thing is I can't criticize this to be honest like it's very hard first of all you feel shitty criticizing absolutely right that's the thing right you want people to watch who am I who am I what have I done to be able to point fingers at this yeah he's the guy Usmaniyaz is just like a he's making his own path so it's very hard to criticize but I also get like there's moments where it's janky but like you know like and he made this

[00:42:23] point like you know you make this story for 10 years right and by the time it's done you're not the same person you were 10 years ago your approach to storytelling your approach to life to what you think is important changes in those 10 years and it's almost he said it like it becomes cringeworthy to see some of your work or how you used to think about those things and I think that's true for any artistic endeavor but animation makes it so much tougher you know when we say you know oh they should

[00:42:52] just cut 20 minutes of it but those 20 minutes in animation took like maybe a year to make right yeah so I understand where you don't want to cut it so I want to focus on the positives more than the negatives because when I came back I was a bit like oh it's this and that I'm going deeply in it and I came back and my actually it had landed on my Plex server in an English dub and my wife and my daughter had watched it too and they were like oh my god this movie is amazing and watching

[00:43:22] it through their eyes I was like yeah it really is amazing because I don't know Amrita are you a Studio Ghibli fan do you watch a lot of those animated movies yeah so there's like this shot in let's say Ponyo or let's say House Moving Castle where they're cooking right where they're making bacon and eggs in a pan Ponyo is making ramen and stuff and looks so beautiful and luscious Usman Riyas does it with dal chawan

[00:43:52] and gulab jawan and that is such a cool thing right there's this Ghibli animation but there's also Islamic architecture in the background like there's there's Vincent but there's also like Kabir in the background you know so there's these elements where like I just never thought I would see these kind of things and if you're the one creating it and that's what you want to create it's just amazing that he managed to pull this off you know and even

[00:44:21] with Ghibli movies they get praised and loved but there's a lot of these like the boy and the heron right I didn't connect with that at all like I didn't go what the hell that movie was about you know it's Miyazaki the great master of animation and I think you and me we're very well versed in animation we watch a lot of this thing but even like boy and the I like glasswork more than the boy and the heron you know what I mean maybe maybe from the sounds of it especially since you're saying that Issa and Sophia really

[00:44:51] liked it maybe this is a movie that is intended for an audience that is not you guys yeah not critics necessarily right I mean like it's probably meant for an audience who is not that well versed in anime that wouldn't be able to pick out a studio Ghibli film out of a lineup if their life depended on it yeah for them this is a novelty because the comparison is that in your face you're constantly comparing it with the studio Ghibli movie right

[00:45:20] and that's also because of the way the animation is big the way he studied and stuff like that the things he liked but that's also kind of a weight that he carries which I'm hoping in his next you know movie he can kind of be a more mature and I think it's also like now the studio is built the movie is a success it's gone to the Oscars or it's being nominated it's not been selected but that's what they sent so they've created a market so I'm hoping that with that learning curve they

[00:45:50] can create a movie quicker for the next one and I think that probably I'm very excited that this is even happening because I'll be honest it's not even happening in India you know this level of animation is not happening in India right and that's amazing that you know and the thing is it's funny because just before I went into the theater I'd seen the Sky Force trailer with Akshay and why no because we watched the trailers right and it's just

[00:46:20] such a juxtaposition between Akshay is like flying a jet and they're like the Pakistani jet flyers are like who is this and like Akshay is like Tera Bap Hindustan you know that's literally the dialogue from the movie right oh my god and then here you have glass worker where like you know war sucks and we people die and there's like shots where they're literally like you know a grave of the fireflies in there you know like this destruction you see you see

[00:46:50] the horrors of it body horror even you know and it's like when all of that is there I just feel very bad to even criticizing that there's some animation shots that aren't like exactly what I would have in high regard you know that kind of thing but yeah I just think I just hope people watch this movie and it makes a lot of money and it gets a lot of distribution because it's amazing that this guy did this you know so I just wanted to give a shout out to the glass worker for sure I mean

[00:47:19] talking of distribution any news on Mala Jalt what happened you guys what happened I don't know guys like I think India pulled the plug on the last minute like how many times they announced it it's gonna come out and it didn't come out I don't know what's going on there I did hear something that oh did you guys I haven't spoken to you guys so long did you guys watch Harun our friend Harun Rashid's interview with Mahira Khan you probably didn't write I saw like

[00:47:49] clips of it but I was traveling when that happened so I didn't see the whole thing what like one of the best interviews I've seen in a while like it's so good like you know they're crying Harun's crying I'm crying like it was emotional it was everything but they did speak about like Mahira has a Netflix show coming out a drama and apparently I don't know if he said this I'm getting unsure how he phrased it because he phrases things very carefully

[00:48:19] but the headquarters of Netflix was in India the Asian headquarters and they actively did not want Pakistani content on it so that's the reason why Pakistani content creators cannot get on Netflix because the headquarters was in India and India didn't want any Pakistani content on there and you know how powerful the government is when it comes to streaming like what they did with the Tandav and all of these other shows

[00:48:48] so there was just no avenue and apparently that has been changed now I don't know how it's been changed and that's now allowed Pakistani content to come on streaming I figured that was something it was something like that because when the government started sending people to arrest the Netflix people I imagined like that was one of the things because around that time I forget

[00:49:17] what it was but they were like Z had just begun like Z5 had like started to bring the Pakistani things over to India again and everyone was like talking about like how they're not making the transition to Netflix and that's around the time that the government started their crackdown so I figured like that was one of the things that they said that don't start bringing any of those Pakistani

[00:49:46] stuff on here so I guess that's what happened to Maulajad too then because clearly Z was going to release it right and then suddenly it didn't so I'm assuming you know somebody sent an email I really hope that somebody out of like say the UK or the US buys like you know like Netflix out of US or UK buys Maulajad and then they can just basically put it on there because the UK has no money like no money like I

[00:50:16] like we I know people in the industry that want to work in the you know film industry movie industry there is no money like people that have worked on major studio movies are freelancing on Fiverr that's what's happening here you know so it's crazy like it's crazy there is no money in the UK this country is going to the shits like it's terrible so I don't know I don't know I don't know what's gonna happen with Maulajad the messed up part is nobody's even like begun pissed off

[00:50:45] and just released it on YouTube or something like that you know like Lelo Freemail Lelo you know so which I get it's worth more than that you know it's worth like that movie is so good yeah but yeah it's unfortunate I really want to watch Maulajad again I just miss watching it because it's like such a how are you going to watch it I don't know man I don't know I don't know what's gonna happen like maybe I'll just go to Pakistan and then buy like a print there like the kids show up outside his house and be like

[00:51:13] I have to ask Haroon to ask Mahira to get me a copy you know like that's probably the only going by the way I was a slight thing I went to the glass worker screening and I shaved in the hope Mahira was going to be there I was like I can't look crusty for Mahira you know she wasn't there unfortunately and I came from the office

[00:51:43] and I slept yeah you did but because Mahira wasn't there you would not you would not add attention if she was there you know yes so glass worker watch it even though it's the joy fell asleep shall we get off to our main review which is our listeners pick which is caravan this was picked by our listener turtle

[00:52:12] pirate and let me pull up her email here okay so this is also quite a long one so thank you so much for choosing caravan I absolutely love this movie well there are a few problematic moments that are extremely cringe overall the movie is so much fun the story is fairly simple but the back and forth between the danger Asha Parekh character faces and the time she spends adjusting to the life in

[00:52:42] the caravan means that the movie never feels boring or drags Jitendra is both great and funny in this movie as a man who wears his heart on the sleeve and has some growing up to do the supporting cast are wonderful but above all I love how much I'm not going to read this part out because I want to make this a point on the podcast she says the music is amazing song picture is phenomenal I know we'll be talking about the dance numbers later on overall in spite of a couple of

[00:53:12] issues that I'm sure you will cover I think this movie still holds up really well I deeply enjoy this movie and I hope that you do too okay this also I'm not going to read it I'm going to cover this maybe later on yeah I mean it will kind of mess up the flow of the show so I don't want to you know spoiler it but thank you so much for picking this movie Turtle Pirate thank you for being a patron and I will also say I had never seen this movie

[00:53:42] I had never heard of this movie it's directed by Nasir Hussain who is he Amir Khan's uncle uncle right chacha Taya I don't know stars Asha Parekh Jitendra Aronai Irani Helen Mehmud Junior yeah tons of people yeah so let's talk about Caravan Amrit I'm

[00:54:11] assuming you know this movie really well yeah I watched this movie a bunch of times it's Nasir Hussain he's one of the greats you're missing out on life if you haven't seen Nasir Hussain movies he did he used to make like what Beth and I used to call proto proto Bollywood so I feel this is a very Beth and you movie yeah I was watching and I was like this is all the stuff you

[00:54:41] guys really like 70s weird hairs and itchy clothes yes yeah this is also the movie that gave me the ick for Jitendra so minus points for that but the I mean the music in this film is like banger after banger after banger like I this is the soundtrack of my childhood like I I know the words to like every single song in this film and this

[00:55:10] movie pretty much single handedly launched the 90s remix industry yes every single every single song I guess but is basically was remixed the DJ Akil career rests on this movie you know it was it was insane like Monica Oh My Darling was basically there was a whole renaissance for Helen based on

[00:55:40] Monica Oh My Darling can I tell you how clueless I was can I like this is the story perfectly because we're talking about PR2 right I had no idea I obviously I've heard PR2 a hundred million times as a song right Monica my darling and stuff like that I had not put together that this was from this movie I did not know it was from Karawa so I didn't expect the song to come in this movie so when they even when they announce so the song happens

[00:56:10] on a stage show and they announce her name as Monica I was like oh look at that they copied her name from that famous song it's like oh then so and then the song starts I was like oh my god it's like Fiatu and then because I had never seen the clip imagine my surprise when a mariachi bullfighter shows up and then I was like yeah oh my god this is like Buddha Shilaki Jawani

[00:56:40] right but then I was thinking Shilaki Jawani is also a Buddha reference so I don't know what the young people listen to Taras or something like that you know like Buddha Taras but yeah what you guys say of the remake it's a straight line right like there would not be Shilaki Jawani if there was no Helen right so it is it's it's yeah it was just I just also this movie is the inspiration for that amazing Amir

[00:57:09] Khan Twinkle Khanna film Mela yeah I thought of Mela too yeah especially at that Asha Parikh song right I knew I knew that that Asim had definitely seen Mela even if he had never heard of Karma see see the way I reference my references are going from Mela to Karavan to Karavan to Shilaki Jawani to Taras you know like yeah that's how my brain works so yeah so Joy how much have you seen like

[00:57:39] how important has Karavan been for you I think this played on Durudarshan every week or something like that growing up you know even if the movie was not playing all the songs were playing so Karavan has been a part of my life growing up like pretty much in my early formative years obviously lost touch when all the Khans appeared in my life you know went on to do cooler things in life but the soundtrack of Karavan has always been a constant like either

[00:58:08] the original soundtrack or the remixes it's been part of my very essential part of my life and going back to watching this movie yesterday after such a long time was such a blast yeah it was such a blast to watch this movie especially because you can tell how Nasir Hussein's craft is so embedded in this movie it's very much that aspect ratio that totally takes you back like this is before CinemaScope this is 4x3

[00:58:37] this is very much how Bollywood does sort of Hitchcock thriller but with songs with all these other you know family drama and all of that and sanskar and everything but yeah it's so much of that and it's so much fun like Helen is such an integral part of the story where do you get that you know other than Bollywood it's fantastic yeah I mean for me I've said this so many times

[00:59:07] like you said the Khans anything before Amitab is very tough for me to watch like this is not my bag like I and the thing is like I've watched like while we've been doing Khandan I've watched movies like you know I've watched Dilip Kumar movies and I've watched Devanand movies and stuff like that that have been new to me because I've not really watched them necessarily I didn't have Doordarshan it wasn't kind of like we watched what was we had on VHS like that's what my Bollywood was right so a lot of these haven't seen

[00:59:36] so for me it was it's a struggle watching these movies because they're very of their era and the things that you and Beth like these are not the things I necessarily like you know the itchy hair and the itchy clothes and stuff like that and also there's a very theatrical dramatic acting that I veer less towards right but this movie just captured me completely like we were talking earlier about Kahuna Pyaare right that I was on my phone

[01:00:06] while I was watching it this I was not on my phone the only moment I was on my phone was when I was taking notes and even then I used to pause it because you know I wanted to see what was going on and how things were going so I really did enjoy this movie but it is very much that era of movies so you need to kind of put your like force your brain to be like you know all of this movie is shot in one field basically right like it's one hill thing and the whole movie has been shot there I don't know how they showered how they found a

[01:00:36] toilet there and these are the things that I constantly keep thinking about with because all of the men are wearing pink shirts and nobody has duo and it's it's these are things I think about constantly you know so I have to kind of like wrestle my brain into not think about these things and when I do I enjoy myself so that's kind of my feelings about Caravan I want to do you guys want to talk about Nasir Hosean as a filmmaker first because I don't necessarily have a lot of thoughts about that but I want

[01:01:05] to hear from you guys like what do you what do you where also where does this stack up in his movies Caravan and compared to all of the ones he's done damn he's a legend like a freaking legend even the movies that he made with like total weirdos is like they're like really good time like they all had amazing music they all they weren't necessarily like performance movies but they were just really

[01:01:34] enjoyable movies there was always some sort of hijinks involved you know somebody was getting kidnapped some murder there's a mystery to be solved something there's a life-threatening situation going on that's that immediate threat that you can sense from the first frame there's dramatic music and as I said there's a direct connect to how Hitchcock movies were in that era and I sense that obviously that connect

[01:02:04] is a lot more pronounced in which he did and there's always like a great part for a woman in it you know even if she's just a damsel in distress like in car mom for example she's a damsel in distress but she's very much the protagonist of the film as well there's like things happening like she

[01:02:43] not just in hindi cinema but in like cinema in general so yeah I would say Nasser Hussain integral to the kind of movies that then came out in the 70s like a lot of the movies that you see like the Amitabh Bachar movies you know the Manmohan Desai movies and stuff that came out in the 70s they built on a foundation of Nasser Hussain movies and Karwan is right up there like I would say top five

[01:03:13] of the movies that he's made um Tisi Manzil I mean okay so Tisi Manzil he didn't necessarily direct but he wrote that yeah like Tisi Manzil is like the best Nasser Hussain movie in my opinion um but Karwan is definitely up there Yadokhi Barat yeah like you define Bollywood Yadokhi Barat right it's the lost and found story of the ages and Yadokhi Barat is up there yeah

[01:03:42] it's interesting because I'm looking at his filmography and he's a writer and a producer and a director and all of those have been like classics right like even as a writer as a producer he's done work that you know like is so so important I've not watched a lot of his stuff to be honest I've seen I'm going through the filmography and again it's that era right like he quit in the 80s and then he was producing a lot of things but this is not the era that I'm very you know knowledgeable

[01:04:14] about but I do want to pick up on that point about Asha Parekh's arc because not only Asha Parekh I feel this is a very female centric movie like I feel all of them Helen and Aruna Irani get like a full arc like which is I was really like amazed about that this was happening here and I want to talk about that but I want to talk maybe about the men first like you know we're at a Desi Davat men first

[01:04:44] because I want to get it out of the way because honestly I feel they're kind inconsequential to the movie to be honest also watching this I realized that I've not watched a lot of Jitendra movies and maybe that's a good choice yes 100% like when we're talking about Love Yapa that conversation was happening on Twitter about a man being you know a vicar space of non-charisma

[01:05:14] I was like I'm watching Jitendra in this and I'm feeling those feelings here I think he was terrible in this like I thought like he's the weakest weakest hero and like I remember people used to be really impressed with Jitendra's dancing right yeah and I think it's just because in the 70s nobody did cardio and he was doing all the cardio on screen no but not even he was literally known as jumping jack right

[01:05:43] but I think that's what people were very impressed with this literally not much right and you know that people don't do cardio because there's a sequence where Asha is running from the villains and within five her head is blown up like she's ran five minutes why is she in that state in five minutes nobody did cardio yeah so I was

[01:06:13] I was really because I remember Jitendra from the 80s like Himmatwala just Sis Chaudhary kind of thing and those were shit movies too you know so he's I'm surprised that he had such a long career when you know that was the time of you know Raj Kapoor and you know Dev Anand and all of these other guys Dilip Kumar was making movies and apparently Jitendra was there too like it's weird it's a very different skill set

[01:06:42] altogether I think Jitendra is not competing with either of those people not with Rajesh Khanna not with Amitabh Bachchan or Dilip Kumar he's a completely very he made peace with that being you know the Hyderabad studio output sort of he made that his home and he was happy and content with it so I guess he's he is never remembered as a superstar of that generation he will always be the

[01:07:12] bankable small budget movie guy I suppose yeah yeah he's what he's like Prabhu Deva at least has like one thing in which he's like amazing Jitendra really yeah because like even if you say jumping and dancing I would think Shami Kapoor at that time so it's interesting because Nasir Hussain if you look at his filmography

[01:07:42] like his first collaborator was Shami Kapoor like a lot of the early Shami Kapoor movies like Tumsani and stuff yeah all of those were made by Nasir Hussain as a director and of course he produced Teesri Manzil which I'm sure Aasem hasn't seen but also has Shami Kapoor Sujoy is personally offended by this dude

[01:08:12] the penny that will drop when you watch Teesri Manzil when the songs appear and you really like this song is from this movie this song also this song also yeah yeah but yeah I feel like so Nasir Hussain like just because he he worked so much with Shami Kapoor and Shami Kapoor was very much you know like his image was that

[01:08:41] of Elvis Presley of India right like that was the image that he was leaning into led Nasir Hussain down the path of the kind of music that he showcased in his films which is always you know there was a cabaret element there was a stage element there was some sort of rock and roll stuff happening and he even the later movies when he

[01:09:11] was not working with Shami Kapoor or when Shami wasn't working to be more precise the people that he worked with including Jitendra they had to fit into that sort of context and that definitely I think helped Jitendra build you know a movie like this like Karma helped him build those build that reputation

[01:09:41] as like somebody who is also quite cool and with it with regards to dancing when to be fair like if you look at Jitendra's dancing in this film it's very clear that he can't dance he's doing like this weird choreo no it's not good yeah yeah who is the choreographer in this movie is it I think so let me check what also like

[01:10:10] this movie starts immediately which I found so fascinating like it's full on like I was like whoa what's going on there's no intro just like you know speeding train just catch it and that was my first thought and the second thought I had is who is this horrible actor that's playing the villain because I had no clue I've never literally seen him no that guy's a random is he a random like such a big role for a random dude you know I was like who is this guy where did he get select and apparently

[01:10:40] he became an assistant director later on but yeah all of that is almost not explained right like it's just like goes really really quickly then the other roles are probably Mahmood Jr. we have to talk about a little bit I guess right I'm just going through all of the men so we can get to the women can we explain the phenomenon of Mahmood Jr. because I don't think people would understand it necessarily

[01:11:10] we're not talking to the filmy ladies or you know the Masala Zindabad audience we're talking to the Khanda audience Amrita can you explain the Mahmood Jr. phenomenon it's not the Mahmood Jr. phenomenon in particular it's just in every era there's always a child actor you know and it's true across industries you'll find it even in Hollywood you had your Judy Garland Mickey Rourke

[01:11:39] you had your the Culkins you have in in India you had you know the what's his name Pazad the the kuch kuch hota hai boy and then you have Baby Good Do yeah Baby Good Do there was Sarika like these were all like people who all like the Irani sisters you know like Daisy Irani and these are I don't know why

[01:12:10] I guess we three are sort of outliers because we just look at children on film and we are just like we don't want to see it but most people seem to enjoy it they're just like oh yeah we like to see like precocious children doing precocious things and that's who Junior Mahmood was like this guy was like the hardest working actor of his generation this poor kid he didn't have a childhood he can find him on twitter these days where he's just talking about the good old days

[01:12:41] and he passed away actually in December yeah December 2023 so last year I mean I just wanted to say the phenomenon of Mahmood Junior because he's called Mahmood Junior when he's not like basically there was the similarity that he looked like Mahmood the comedian which Mahmood gave him the name Mahmood Junior which is just such a hilarious thing to do

[01:13:11] and I think all of Mahmood Junior's career was built on the line that's the entire thing of Mahmood Junior and then what I also for a moment when Bholla comes on screen I was like wait is that Mahmood do they have Mahmood but then I figured out no it's actually Mahmood's brother who's playing Bholla yeah it's Mahmood's actual brother which he clearly does not have

[01:13:40] the yeah that Mahmood had or you know the Anwar Ali is his name and yeah he physically looks a lot like Mahmood so I was like oh okay there's a whole Mahmood thing going on in this yeah star super star wow productions yeah

[01:14:10] yeah so let's talk about any other guys we want to talk about I think so yeah the whole movie begins with the guys right because we don't get straight away introduced to like we get introduced with the chase sequence and she's you know sort of met this accident that we are supposed to believe she's saying this from a first person view of what's happening with her we're talking about Sunita played by Asha Parikh and then we are just dropped in the middle of all this exposition

[01:14:40] uncle just telling everything he he and all of that and it's just information after information and you just like you don't even get a room to breathe this is the perfect movie to watch while you're on the phone because the movie will tell you what you missed every five minutes it's like okay I'm with it yeah so after that I think

[01:15:10] we then go past the starting credits and then Karva really begins with Asha Parikh in the middle of her escape sort of plan from the Changul of Rajan she has to go to Bombay then to Bangalore then back to Bombay to find Karam Chandankal to tell him that her father has been killed by this stupid man and all the

[01:15:40] lovey-dovey great songs happen in between end of story yeah and Karam Chand is played by the guy that found Rishi Kapoor in Amar Akbar Anthony too yeah yeah he's like random prayers in the park uncle yeah let's yeah there's

[01:16:09] I want to kind of get back to Jatin because there's a few notes that I want to talk about with you guys is is this where Tufan mail comes from like Tufan mail as a concept right like is this where it comes from no there was a song called Tufan mail like in a 1934 movie and I think yeah it's okay yeah I don't know that song like because it was a 1934

[01:16:39] hit there's a recreation of that song in an album called where she sang I think it's a K.L. Seigal song from like 1934 you can tell how you know old that song is yeah because it's this van I didn't understand the like the van is it supposed to be cool or is it like nitride or cool or is it supposed to be funny like

[01:17:08] Ram Pyari in Akela like what kind of vehicle is this because it has a lot of like Arona Irani just plastered on top of it and I was like what are we trying to do with this van you know when you go so it's like basically Jitendra and his friend who's basically a drunk right like that's the big comedy that they have and I was like man

[01:17:38] in the 70s people must have loved this stuff right like the guy getting drunk like they were like wow this is the funniest shit I've ever seen Jitendra mixing English with Hindi like oh my god comedic you know peak of everything those things are dated man those are very hard for me to yeah it's also not funny there I think we made a point to tell during the review that it was terrible and not funny

[01:18:08] but yeah so yeah let's get into the Asha Pare of it because initially I had trouble with the character to be honest it's like who is she at the start because she just goes crazy after her father is killed right or she thinks he's died I was having trouble like who is this woman because she's like she goes crazy she screams at she will get her

[01:18:38] married she'll be fine and the weird part is she does become fine after the marriage after the marriage to the crazy bad guy she's totally fine she's like a normal Asha Parekh but she's already signed away a power of attorney that nobody asked her to do like along the way the villain everybody makes his life so easy like the police is like we don't know she's gone she's dead we don't know we don't care it's like Asha Parekh just gives him the power of attorney you

[01:19:28] why that happened don't look at us because he's probably the only guy who has been nice to her yeah probably but the guy is also nice Mahmood Jr. is also nice it would be inappropriate to marry Mahmood Jr. there's a lot of inappropriate things happening with Mahmood Jr. like I was like is this guy getting groomed here

[01:20:00] I don't know it's switch genders and things become really weird you know but yeah it's the 70s you know and then then Arun Arani comes in her love like you know who does cardio in the 70s it's Arun Arani man oh my god she is the jumping jack oh my god I was blown away like

[01:20:30] not too long ago and she was playing like Thai there and seeing her in this I was like oh my god like I haven't had these feelings since I saw I don't know Saif's mom in a while ago I was like wow bomb man like she looks amazing why does everybody talk about Helen and Asha move quickly to get back to Arun

[01:21:00] Arani my brain works slowly I just wanted to say how amazing she looks and maybe it's just the king that you know the idea of you know having a woman that can almost kill you is enticing but I thought she was amazing did you see her song where she's like wearing these leg wraps I'd never even seen what that was I was like oh my god and like her waistline she had like a Katrina six pack in this like in the 70s have you not watched bobby yeah she has a whole backless song in

[01:21:30] it no I'm not I have but I don't much of she actually serenades her in that film and he's just like I'm not shy but shy I know the song like if you liked her in Caravan like there is a whole bunch of movies where she's like the best thing in it including Amitabh Bachchan

[01:21:59] movies where you know she just like eats people off the screen and if it wasn't for like rampant sexism she'd be like such a big star but I think Mumtaz is literally the only actor who was able to make that switch from sex mom to leading actress but yeah she's amazing I always feel bad for her character in this movie too because she deserved

[01:22:28] a happy ending yeah and they had to kill her so that you know that's the end of her story but random Arunai Rani side note one of my favorite Arunai Rani Arunai Rani plays the housemate and she's a Muppert housemate in that movie and she gives like this random ass like really long monologue it's so much like of that 80s Bollywood

[01:22:58] movie made out of Hyderabad it's just that but like amped to the max it's really really fun yeah and Arunai Rani in this movie gets the best songs man yeah my god like her songs I actually like her songs more than I like Helen's I mean Helen's songs are fantastic but yeah yeah no I was blown away by Arunai in this one and because there's a sequence where she's dancing with Jitendra and his

[01:23:27] tight pants and I was like those pants are too tight to be grinding so closely Arunai Rani yeah no it was really impressive like I was really really impressed to this and yeah Helen was this already late Helen late stage Helen or where was this in well she's been doing movies since the black and white era and this is like in the 70s so she's been doing Mera Naam Chin Chin Choo was a long

[01:24:09] choreography like when Helen dances is there a choreographer or does Helen just do it herself there is okay because the moves seem so Helen right yeah you know like Prabhu Deva who choreographs Prabhu Deva back in his era it's just Prabhu Deva doing it because nobody can do what Prabhu Deva does and I was thinking like does does Helen need a choreographer or does she just do it herself right like when your skill set is that high you know I'm pretty sure they were choreographing for her specifically

[01:24:39] the way that they do for Salman these days right maa or beta auntie or beta auntie oh yeah Helen auntie Helen auntie yeah I mean any favorite songs for you guys oh my god so everybody will talk about you know sorry go ahead which ones Sujai no no

[01:25:08] mine is reconnecting it says oh yeah it's connected so everybody knows this soundtrack is just one of the most epic Bollywood soundtracks ever so it's very difficult for me to pick like favorites but I'll just list them out those are the big ones and I can't believe all of these fit in one album soundtrack

[01:25:38] it's incredible how this like our department did all of this in just one freaking soundtrack it's crazy it's funny though all of these are great great tracks but Deiya May Ye May Kahan Aphasi is supposedly the song that Asha Parekh is supposed to improvise because she does not know how to sing and dance and it's the most difficult song to sing because it's everywhere like it shifts pitches it goes to different

[01:26:08] octaves and goes around and then comes back and has the verse and the chorus it's just nuts it's if you watch Indian Idol like I do every year this is like one of those songs that a seasoned contestant will sing to impress the judges you know it's incredibly difficult to sing live because it goes everywhere and you have to be very sure where your next scale is coming from because it does not stay in the same lane altogether and it's

[01:26:37] so it's funny that Asha Parekh's character Sunita who cannot sing and dance is singing this as her improv song and it's going everywhere so yeah it's funny to see that yeah Asha Bosle is just ruling this soundtrack all together man it's like Piyatu and Abjo Mile Hato and then Deyaya Me Kaha Fasi just amazing yeah Amrita yeah everything that Sujoy said I think my favorite is actually Dilbar

[01:27:07] because I can I've been listening to that song my whole life it seems like and it's just everything about it you know the voice the tune the dance the choreo everything is just perfect in my opinion and obviously all the other songs are just great like even like you know like when they suddenly start singing Gorya Kaan Tera Des

[01:27:36] when you know the karma is like on its way I'd forgotten that that song is in this movie and it was like it's not a skippable song it's something that you listen from like beginning to end because it is so charming I love the music in this film like 1100 on 10 like I just love it we like is literally the cabaret song yes it's just like nuts that it also exists

[01:28:06] in this like it's also exists in this soundtrack because it has so many great songs you know like obviously Monica Oh My Darling the movie got its title because it's here and Charthi Jawani has an incredible remix which was remixed by I think it was DJ Akeel it starred Nigar Khan in the 2000 the video had like mannequins dancing with like

[01:28:36] angel feathers and stuff like that I think and they had do you remember this is such a throwback of that era they had the last catch up that bit was sampled into that remix oh man yeah I remember that song oh my god yeah I'd forgotten about it yeah Charthi Jawani is such a great track yeah do you know that song by the way little random fact the song is called the

[01:29:06] ketchup song by the way this was just rappers delight but they didn't know the lyrics yeah yeah I know that it's like such a random thing but it becomes such a massive hit but it was basically rappers delight from Sugar Gang yeah they just like made it a massive hit yeah yeah I mean yeah songs are great I never heard that Asha Asha Bhutse song I never heard of it which one never ever I thought it was amazing like I

[01:29:35] yes I did think of Mela yes but it was amazing like Sunita to Rupa yeah but also made me weirdly think of that Farah Khan song in I'm now where they're all in college no no Hawaii yeah weirdly in terms of the camera movement the way it's so kinetic though she's doing different characters it's moving from there to there Jitendra is kind of

[01:30:05] following then it goes to the villains coming in it just made me like it's so connected that it made me think of that but yeah it's it's amazing like I said I didn't know the song was in there but obviously it's one of those stone cold classics any final thoughts any random thoughts on caravan that we haven't discussed that we want to talk about quickly I'll have to bring up the the panjara question right so they this is a panjara community the

[01:30:35] travelers who entertain travel through villages and all of that set up tents at one hand they are very they very much look down upon drinking right yes they're very anti-alcohol yeah very very anti-alcohol and then at the same at the other like in on the same on the other hand like Manorama just burns this Madan Puris lunch and he's like belting her like yeah

[01:31:05] like he's just beating the shit out of her and like what the hell is going on in this movie oh and then like when Jitendra tries to hit Asha Parekh Madan Puris like today I've seen that you are a demon you are like beating a poor defenseless girl and I'm like wow people bring much what the hell what's his name in the movie but only when you're sober that's what the rules are don't beat it up when you're drunk you know his name is

[01:31:34] Meethalal Tota yeah that's such a Bollywood name man but I just again where my brain goes it reminded me of Salar remember Salar with Prabhas yeah they're like a international crime conglomerate but they're also very much loving democracy and it's like these Banjaares are the same like we're like all free-flowing things the women can decide who they want to marry she can bite anybody but we also need our

[01:32:04] food on time you know and we're very anti-alcohol so I was like okay the rules are a bit skewed in this universe a little bit but I think it's also just set up for you know that whole comedy bit of exchanging the dishes and stuff like that I guess any other random note Amrita that you had just how much I love this movie

[01:32:33] the drunk Asha Parikh scene was kind of like classic women getting really drunk and then finally saying things and everything being revealed which is quite funny which we also get to see yeah exactly yeah yeah I mean yeah it sets a template now these kind of things yeah I'm still laughing about the Asha Parikh running for five minutes and getting completely messed up like you know when she falls over the soles of her feet are still white

[01:33:03] so she really didn't run far completely messed up yeah yeah this also has that Bollywood trope of everything has been done and the police arrives at the last minute the police will always arrive at the last minute and this movie is one of those yeah one thing I have to say final thought really

[01:33:33] the henchmen in this movie are really quite capable like India is a big country they find them every time like everywhere they go these guys find them like what is this from the John Wick universe and also they're very sharply dressed there's like two number wala he's like actually quite quite well dressed I was like yeah I like that jacket he's wearing so and also they have one has a red hair like mehendi henna hair and he was also at the party I think so I was like from

[01:34:02] party to henchman he's like very he's the one that says that was Caravan unless you guys had anything I think we're done yeah so thank you Turtle Pirate I hope you did justice to the movie you picked we're going to be doing January picks now too actually we're mid January so if you're on Patreon you can pick a movie we'll put up the poll see what people are picking and kind of discuss that

[01:34:33] after this episode it's going to be 80s for 15 episodes so I'm really really excited for that come and join us for our Dhamaka series Amrita where can people find you online you can find me on blue sky and on twitter at amrita IQ Sujoy I'll have one last note to add this movie did not win the film fair award for best music director can you guess which movie won I don't know it's a Raj Kapoor movie

[01:35:03] yes okay makes sense yeah that was like good music also like I saw Aruna Rani was nominated for best supporting actress and she also did not win no so I was like what and I mostly won for yeah you can find me on twitter and blue sky and instagram and tiktok at 93k and you can follow khandan podcast on all our socials at khandan podcast drop us an email at

[01:35:32] upodcasting at gmail.com as if like me you were unaware of caravan being a movie these songs just existed in the ether yeah they just popped up and were part of our genetics yeah thank you for listening we'll be back with a new episode soon