Ep 247-Devara Part 1

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[00:00:48] Hi, and welcome to a new episode of Khandaan Podcast. My name is Asim Burney and I'm joined

[00:00:53] with my lovely co-host Amrita and Sujoy. Hey, Amrita and Sujoy. Hey everybody.

[00:00:57] Hello.

[00:00:58] Back with a new episode. We're talking about a few things. I think our main review this

[00:01:02] episode is going to be Devara.

[00:01:04] Devara.

[00:01:05] Yeah, part one. And a few other news and things that kind of happened. I think

[00:01:11] first topic, I guess, is the Oscar nominations from India. There's a bit of controversy online,

[00:01:19] it feels because Laapata Ladies got sent and I think a lot of people were hoping it was

[00:01:26] going to be all that we can imagine is light. Is that how we imagine us light? Yeah.

[00:01:32] All that we imagine as light. So yeah, I just wanted to kind of talk about that.

[00:01:38] Like I think I find it an odd conversation to have because I felt Laapata Ladies is a very

[00:01:47] good pick, to be honest. But I think there's a few factors people are complaining about.

[00:01:53] A is that all that we imagine as light has one can. It's not kind of a film from

[00:02:03] Bollywood royalty, I guess, like, you know, the Khans and Amrita. Although I do feel

[00:02:07] it's kind of an unfair comparison because it's like Amr didn't make this movie. He's not in it.

[00:02:14] He's not like he's not involved like production. I think Kiran Rao probably I think even she

[00:02:20] split up her company from him. Didn't he? Like, I don't think that's

[00:02:23] Yes, but he produced it. He did produce it. Yeah, he's the producer for Laapata Ladies.

[00:02:27] Yeah, but he's I mean, it's very much on the background, but I feel that hate is coming

[00:02:31] on Kiran Rao and it feels like an odd conversation because it takes away her

[00:02:35] creative input and it's her movie. It's not Armour's movie. And then there's also seems to be some kind

[00:02:42] of upper caste, lower caste thing going on, which I don't understand that that much. But

[00:02:48] what did you guys think of a Lapata Ladies being picked and B about the conversation that

[00:02:54] is happening about Laapata Ladies being nominated? Amrita, you want to go first?

[00:02:57] I think more than the so it does like multiple levels to this right like one

[00:03:03] every time like at some point after it released, there's this do you know the director Anand Mahadevan?

[00:03:12] Yes. Oh yeah, Jesse stole the idea he was saying. Yeah, he's like convinced that Kiran Rao like

[00:03:18] plagiarized his work and literally the only thing that she quote unquote plagiarized is that you

[00:03:26] know, Anand Mahadevan made this movie that literally nobody has ever heard of in which

[00:03:30] there's like these two women who wear like Gunghats and then get swapped as grides.

[00:03:37] Like, and after that it's two completely different movies even by his own admission.

[00:03:42] But he I guess is just like riding the coattails of this movie to every single podcast out there.

[00:03:50] Is he suing her or is he just saying it? Even he knows that she has no legs to stand on.

[00:03:55] But like obviously, there's Kiran Rao has a nice little following of haters online because

[00:04:02] you know they've never gotten over the fact that she married Amr Khan and that

[00:04:07] she was the one who originally said you know that she didn't see her family thriving in India

[00:04:13] anymore after a certain point given that she was raising like a half Muslim kid.

[00:04:18] And they've always like hated her and of course she's like a you know,

[00:04:24] she's a Bohemian artist with short hair and like she dares to like marry a Muslim man and

[00:04:31] you know just have you know kids with him etc. And it just like really confuses them and

[00:04:37] they're just really angry about her all the time anyway so a lot of them have just

[00:04:42] cottoned on to this idea that she's idea thief. And so anytime anyone talks about La Patale

[00:04:49] is they're just like oh you know she stole this from Anat Mahadevan and it is such stupidity

[00:04:56] like incredibly stupidity. And on top of that now you have this whole like nepotism debate

[00:05:04] where people are just like oh she only caught it because it was Amr Khan's movie.

[00:05:09] Geo is the producer of this film. Like you cannot tell me that Amr Khan has more

[00:05:21] pull on who is the official Indian entry for the Oscars than like the Ambani's.

[00:05:29] Because the Ambani's have like a whole like this is their big push right like they have been

[00:05:39] like Mita Ambani has invested heavily into the film industry. That is her entire game plan.

[00:05:48] That's why like a lot of like celebrities that who've probably never even met the Ambani's before

[00:05:54] were invited to their son's wedding. Like there's a reason why they get papped now,

[00:06:00] why they're on the gossip pages. Like it's a very deliberate thing and there is nothing

[00:06:07] the Ambani's would love more than having one of their productions get nominated for an Oscar.

[00:06:15] Like that is definitely going to be something that they're going to throw money at and

[00:06:21] whether we like it or not, the kind of movies that get nominated at the Oscars there's a

[00:06:37] visibility because there's a whole bunch of movies that get nominated for the international

[00:06:44] feature and a lot of them are deadly dull. At least Lapata Ladies is not a dull movie.

[00:06:52] It's a very cute movie. Is it problematic? Sure, but everything is problematic, isn't it?

[00:06:59] With all that we see as light or what we imagine as light,

[00:07:07] the people who are like really angry about it not being nominated do have one point,

[00:07:12] which is that Lapata Ladies when it arrives in Hollywood, it's going to be starting at

[00:07:19] point zero because nobody knows what it is. And people are going to be, you'll have to like

[00:07:26] build the awareness. You'll have to like really campaign for that movie. Whereas for

[00:07:32] Pyle Cappadia's movie, everybody already knows what that is because it one can.

[00:07:41] And all the American reviewers love that movie. So you don't have to convince anybody that this

[00:07:50] is a good movie. I remember being in the United States when Lagann was nominated for an Oscar

[00:07:57] and it was entirely driven by the fact that all the other reviewers loved that movie.

[00:08:04] It was very much a critic driven nomination. People were like the New York Times reviewers,

[00:08:10] the THR reporters, like all of them loved Lagann. And there were like extended features in Variety

[00:08:19] and the Hollywood Reporter and stuff like that. And this is back in the day when

[00:08:23] Indian features weren't getting featured like that. And that's what Pyle Cappadia would have

[00:08:30] gotten without a doubt. And I have no doubt in my mind either that the only reason why Pyle

[00:08:37] Cappadia's movie didn't get nominated is because Pyle Cappadia is not entirely a big fan of the

[00:08:43] current government in India. So there's definitely like wheels within wheels.

[00:08:49] Right. So you have seen all the imaginary, you can't talk about it yet because you're still under

[00:08:56] President Bago. But what are your thoughts about Lapata Ladies being nominated?

[00:09:01] Yeah, so there are a few like moving parts in the whole conversation. A,

[00:09:07] why Lapata Ladies got nominated as Amrita said, there's the push from GEO. It's also Netflix.

[00:09:14] It's easily accessible for people to watch when it eventually goes for the,

[00:09:19] like it's India's entry to get nominated as the best international feature.

[00:09:26] And obviously, like from a film perspective as an audience, I, like what I saw in all

[00:09:35] we imagine as light is, it's a very critics movie. It's not necessarily a popular

[00:09:44] audience, like crowd pleasing movie. It's not a wholesome entertainer in a way.

[00:09:52] And I don't know how that eventually plays out to a wider, you know, the members of the academy

[00:09:59] how they vote if they are going for that Exotica that this little movie from India which has

[00:10:06] joy and, you know, a nice ending and everybody's happy in the end. Then I guess Lapata Ladies

[00:10:13] should be the movie that they go for. But also at the same time, if you look at the selection

[00:10:19] committee from FTII or from the Film Federation of India, whoever nominated the board members of

[00:10:27] that selection committee, they are all men. And all we imagine as light is a very, very

[00:10:32] woman centric story. It's a migrant story of these three women who come together in this,

[00:10:39] like it's a, it's their sort of story over the course of a couple of months and their struggles.

[00:10:45] And there isn't necessarily a nice bow that ties them together at the end. It's very open and

[00:10:53] then it's very much about, you know, systemic oppression and the migrants struggle in Mumbai

[00:10:58] and all of that. And balancing the two, it's very different worlds that these movies are trying to

[00:11:05] explore very two different India's as someone would say. And yeah, having seen them both,

[00:11:12] I think Lapata Ladies is probably the wiser choice. But also I see the strings being pulled

[00:11:20] to make that happen. I don't know which one is fair.

[00:11:23] Hmm. I think we shouldn't hold Oscars in such a higher regard anyway.

[00:11:29] I don't give a shit about the Oscars and I hate this conversation that it happens every year.

[00:11:36] I don't think necessarily the movies that are sent are the good choices or the popular choices

[00:11:42] and they've got it wrong so many times. So I don't even know why you expect it to be

[00:11:46] right this time. The most important point is the one that Sujoy made is that Lapata Ladies is on

[00:11:53] Netflix and people are lazy and if Netflix is going to start pushing this, like if it's now

[00:12:00] nominated, it will be in front of you. Like before the Oscars are starting, Netflix will be pushing

[00:12:06] this. And I think just the fact that you don't have to put a screener in or a link in and

[00:12:12] you can just switch on your Netflix and if you are an Academy voter, I think that's a much bigger

[00:12:19] poll for people to make them watch it than a Cannes winner from whatever year. I don't think

[00:12:29] it holds that much weight Cannes as an award for Oscars. So I think that is like the biggest...

[00:12:37] I love Lapata Ladies. I don't understand the criticism. I don't understand like a lot of

[00:12:41] the things people are saying. Like suddenly it's not a good movie when literally everybody that has

[00:12:46] watched it, that I've recommended it to be it white, be it brown, be it whatever, they've all

[00:12:51] come out and said they love this movie so it's a crowd pleaser. So then beside that you might

[00:12:58] have issues with Amir Khan or with Kiran Rao and things like that but I think she made a really

[00:13:04] really strong movie and I'm hoping that she can make more movies. And these guys

[00:13:11] Oscars are shit man. It's a terrible award. It's like the Aifa for white people. It doesn't matter.

[00:13:19] It doesn't matter at all. I mean if you say it like that nothing really matters we're all gonna die

[00:13:26] but when it comes to celebrating movies, I guess it's the highest honor that the filmmaker can

[00:13:31] get in the world that we live in so that's why the accolade... Like it's the longest running

[00:13:37] movie celebration I suppose. In that way it is the highest reward that a filmmaker can get and that's

[00:13:43] why it still holds in a way. And also just the fact that India has never won one which is again

[00:13:50] like a criticism of the Oscars. Like it's like the longest running industry with producing the

[00:13:58] most movies and barely we've had movies that have been nominated or gotten close to it right.

[00:14:04] That is the absurdity of the Oscars and it's not about wanting the right mix or the right movie

[00:14:10] or the right push for it. The Oscars do not want to give an Oscars to Indian movies. I think that's

[00:14:16] the bigger issue on my end. I mean it's an American award show. That's the whole thing.

[00:14:24] But yeah that's probably why people wanted more I guess right? Let's talk about

[00:14:30] something that definitely won't be going to the Oscars but the new drop.

[00:14:35] I want to talk about Ranbir Kapoor's forthcoming movies. I think this big news bombshell drop

[00:14:42] that he's going to be acting in Dhoom 4 which is going to be a reboot. And he's going to play

[00:14:49] the bad guy apparently. Oh wow okay. The duo of Abhishek and Uday Chopra are not going to be coming

[00:14:59] back. Yeah yeah. And everybody's bringing up the Farah Khan clip from is it Thishmar Khan I think?

[00:15:07] Or is it Om Shatya? No no Om Shatya. It's from the award show. Right right right. That you know

[00:15:13] she knew that this was going to happen and this and that. And also I think he's got like you know

[00:15:19] he's got Love and War coming with SLB with Sanjali Ramansali then he's got Ramayan 1 and 2

[00:15:25] then Dhoom 4 and then Animal Park which is actually happening I thought.

[00:15:33] It's going to happen like they're like they're going to be sweeping awards they made a ton of

[00:15:37] money why would they not you know. So yeah it's kind of like a big news story that dropped. What

[00:15:44] do you guys what do you think of Ranbir and Dhoom 4 and what do you think of Abhishek and Uday

[00:15:48] not coming back? I'm not a fan of either of those you know it doesn't really make any

[00:15:54] difference to my life like these movies are you know gonna get released till 2026. I don't

[00:16:01] know what I'm going to be doing in December 2024. So it's like, huh Ranbir is making future plans

[00:16:08] good for him like I will be there if I'm alive I'll be going to the cinema to watch these movies.

[00:16:15] But nothing of this like Slate excites me Love and War Ramayan Ramayan 2 Dhoom 4 Animal Park

[00:16:24] like is this the kind of movies that we are going to be seeing from Ranbir Kapoor like the

[00:16:29] the big torch bearer of the future of Bollywood for the next four years three years whatever and

[00:16:38] yeah I'm like not impressed. Dhoom 4 franchise for you is what the Oscars are for me.

[00:16:46] I get it now when you compare it like that. Okay. Abirata what do you what do you think

[00:16:55] of this announcement and of the slate. I mean I'm looking forward to Love and War.

[00:17:00] That's pretty much who's he acting opposed like who's his co-stars and do we know this?

[00:17:06] And it's going to be a remake of Sangam basically. All of that makes me less excited

[00:17:16] everything you've said in the last 30 minutes has been more and more disappointing.

[00:17:21] So Vicky Koshal is playing Rajendra Kumar basically right. I guess.

[00:17:26] There will be Katrina item song to lure in Aasim to the cinemas.

[00:17:34] I don't yeah like that is like literally the only thing that I am interested in from his forthcoming

[00:17:40] slate. Yeah I mean somebody on Twitter made a good made a good point they were like who

[00:17:50] in their right minds is going to take the roles of Abhishek Bachchan and Uday Chowkra because those

[00:17:58] are the two most thankless roles in Bollywood. Yeah you're just playing those loser characters

[00:18:06] who never get the bad guy basically so. Because the bad guy is the star in the Dhoom

[00:18:11] movies right? So who's gonna sign up for those two? The Changu Mangu from the new Ishqvishq venture

[00:18:17] I guess. Yeah I think like this is coming out in 2025 so that gives Yashraj at least

[00:18:29] two years to look for a very high place from where Ranbir Kapoor will drop down and die

[00:18:34] because that's literally what every Dhoom movie is like the bad guy just drops and dies and disappears.

[00:18:41] I don't know for me it makes sense I don't think it would have made sense to have Abhishek and Uday

[00:18:47] back like I don't think they can make that work in any way shape or form they're not in the place

[00:18:51] they were in their career when this movie started neither career wise neither physically it just

[00:18:57] would look odd yeah. I like the kind of energy Ranbir is bringing you need that big of a name

[00:19:03] you know you need like a Ranbir or a Shah Rukh or something to get this franchise going

[00:19:07] and this is what Yashraj is into now they want to create now these franchise movies you know it's

[00:19:14] pretty much like you know they basically make laga chundri medag and like you know mucse friendship

[00:19:19] karoge in between the bigger ones but now they just seem to be making you know something in

[00:19:25] what's the last one Jabadiya Jauri and the one that Jai Ashbhai Jordar those J movies broke

[00:19:32] something in Yashraj and they're like we're not doing this anymore done let's just do war and

[00:19:37] pathar and doom and get our money back you know I like I got a press release that Aditya Chopra

[00:19:44] is doing a play in Manchester I was like wow working with Ranbir really breaks you man

[00:19:50] think it's like I'm going to Manchester London meeting Manchester who the f**k goes to Manchester

[00:19:55] um yeah it is DDLJ the musical by the way yeah DDLJ the musical was an Americanized version of

[00:20:02] cinema maybe he's that that Tom Cruise idea he had he's kind of visiting with some you know

[00:20:08] third-rate character from Bridgetton or like EastEnders or something like that I don't know

[00:20:16] can I say I'm actually most excited for the Ramayan movies like it's like that I'm quite

[00:20:22] interested in it because Saipa Livy's in it I think that might like if they make like a good

[00:20:28] version of it and I think the team around it is interesting right it's the guy from what's his

[00:20:35] name platter yeah what's that name with the story yeah yeah and unfortunately the Auschwitz movie

[00:20:43] but yeah hopefully he can do something on a grand scale would be fun like I've not seen a

[00:20:49] version that's been really cool and if they shoot it at the same time that both are in the can

[00:20:55] it's not like you know like a maybe we're gonna get a second one and stuff like that that would

[00:21:00] be cool if they shoot it like Lord of the Rings SLB I've never been like a huge fan necessarily

[00:21:06] of his stuff and nothing I've seen in the last few years has convinced me otherwise

[00:21:12] Dhoom 3 is just going to be a fun thing Animal Park I mean you know it could be

[00:21:17] I think we were always like positive about Animal just generally in comparison to a lot of other

[00:21:24] reviewers out there so let's see where that goes I think Vanga is doing another movie in between

[00:21:30] though right if I'm not mistaken I don't know who he's working with but amongst all this where did

[00:21:36] Brahmastra go gone that's never getting made that's never made like Karan Johar just sold

[00:21:42] half his company because he's broke broke Brahmastra like that's not gonna happen and Ayaan is now

[00:21:49] with Yash Raj right he's making one of the war movies and stuff like that so I think that that

[00:21:54] was put to bed it's like considered Jaggaja Suas you know like just forget it's not gonna happen

[00:22:00] that's sad that just broke my heart yeah Shiva

[00:22:04] um

[00:22:08] one more thing that happened the Hollywood Reporter or still I feel it should have been called the

[00:22:14] Bollywood Reporter has released their first and I'm so happy for all of our friends and they got

[00:22:20] like gainfully employed again like you're so happy you are the only one that saw the

[00:22:26] the first thing that they dropped right so I know our friend Sujin has already done a

[00:22:31] video review of I think I'm not sure what he did I just congratulated him I didn't actually watch

[00:22:37] anything but I'm really happy that he did it uh no the the influencer Bhuvan Baham show right yeah

[00:22:44] yeah I don't know I don't know what it's called I'll search it up but Amrita you did a long video

[00:22:51] about on TikTok about the off script it's called right the new show that they're doing

[00:22:57] yeah it's called off script yeah how was it how was that first episode did it

[00:23:01] did you feel good again like all the usual things are back it was interesting because

[00:23:09] Anupama clearly has like a sense of who's gonna work for her panels and who isn't and that's

[00:23:17] whom she invited to the show which immediately got like a whole bunch of people up in arms

[00:23:23] because they were like why is Karin Johar on this panel why is Zoya Akhtar why is Mahesh Narayanan

[00:23:30] at least Pa Ranjit was there because he had a movie out this year but like all the others

[00:23:35] like why were they there and shouldn't they be like you know like shouldn't we have like

[00:23:40] new voices etc but I think Anupama Chopra knew exactly what she was doing and she got this

[00:23:48] bunch of people together and it was interesting because you really got a sense of how the movie

[00:23:59] business is so different across different industries and I especially enjoyed Pa Ranjit in this

[00:24:10] interview because there's this point where he's trying to make a point and English is failing

[00:24:15] him so he just seamlessly switches to Tamil and just continues and it's not like a couple of words

[00:24:21] he has like a full-on monologue in Tamil and at the end of it and clearly like Anupama Chopra

[00:24:30] was expecting it because she immediately moves to Vetrimal and says can you translate

[00:24:36] and it was just really interesting because I have seen this happen in reverse with Hindi

[00:24:43] a bunch of times where you'll have like an interview that is in English and then

[00:24:49] the Hindi speaker will just start talking in Hindi and the interview just keeps on going because

[00:24:55] everyone assumes that oh well you know what that person is saying so it was really nice to see

[00:25:00] Pa Ranjit being afforded that sort of grace to express himself fully rather than limiting himself

[00:25:07] to a language in which he's not comfortable so I really appreciated that the other thing that

[00:25:13] I really appreciated was that he really said to Karan's face because Karan is remaking

[00:25:22] one of the movies that he let Pa Ranjit produced again it's about like cast violence it's like a

[00:25:28] love story etc and Karan is remaking that as Dada too and it was really funny because

[00:25:35] Karan is such a South Bombay Bollywood GV and he's talking about like well you know the

[00:25:42] amazing thing about the source material is the sense of hope that you get at the end and that

[00:25:47] is so important and in the middle of all this violence and Pa Ranjit versus like no

[00:25:54] like people need to understand that cast violence is not a you know it's not an

[00:26:01] occasional thing and that it happens all the time and the gravity of that kind of violence

[00:26:07] and you can't like soft pedal it you need to remake it in the same way and a lot of people

[00:26:17] were calling out Karan for not being able to you know pronounce the the original title in Tamil

[00:26:25] etc and it's not even like that you know difficulty title or anything but I think it was valuable because

[00:26:33] there is no chance that you know I don't know what the final product is going to be

[00:26:38] by the time Karan makes it but if it is something like what Dharak was where the remake

[00:26:47] was a much more mellow depiction of the kind of violence that we saw in the original the Marathi

[00:27:00] original yeah then there is no way that Karan can pretend that he didn't know how important

[00:27:09] that violence or how integral that violence was to the story because Pa Ranjit basically

[00:27:15] underlines it for him and Betriman also does it for him like you know like they both like go

[00:27:22] head to head and explain it in words that an idiot could understand so that was really valuable

[00:27:30] and yeah and then there was like a fun part where Zoya was yelling at Karan for paying people too

[00:27:36] much money and then complaining about it as if like you know somebody else took the money out of his

[00:27:42] account and paid it to people so that was like really fun I saw the stars Tripti Dimary and Siddhan

[00:27:47] Chaturvedi and it's director Shazia Iqbal and it's apparently going direct to streaming like it's

[00:27:54] not even getting like a theatrical release oh wow okay so you were saying I saw the bit where

[00:28:01] they were sharing like insight into what part of filmmaking process they each liked the most

[00:28:08] and what part they hated the most and like the answers from different different like somebody

[00:28:13] really writes for the edit so they love editing but hate the beginning of the process where they

[00:28:19] have to sit down and write and write for ages and Zoya begins with writing and she loves writing

[00:28:27] which is very different I think Zoya hates dubbing the the most she like the whole

[00:28:33] dubbing bit after the movie is made she just does not attend the studios or something like that

[00:28:38] that was quite interesting to see the different and Karan Johar loves like background scores

[00:28:45] like all background score process after the movie is made and in the studio when they're adding that

[00:28:51] and how it elevates the scene right yeah I mean I just enjoy listening to Zoya Akhter

[00:28:57] talk about movies whenever it is so I'm probably going to watch it and I'm glad you know THR

[00:29:04] I'm glad THR is back like you know film companion is back in a way I think it's pretty much one of

[00:29:12] the best things out there in terms of yeah Hindi film discussions you know so could it be better

[00:29:19] yes could it be different yes but it's who else is doing it like better is always a

[00:29:27] valid question but who else is doing it you know just us them and us that's it you know that's

[00:29:33] that's what I'm saying vanity fair please buy us yeah exactly no but I honestly I honestly

[00:29:39] believe it like it's not even like a off-handed jokie thing like I really believe it like it's

[00:29:44] this because I watch a lot of YouTube because we are think we're doing things on YouTube we're

[00:29:49] doing some video I say so I have to watch more YouTube just to kind of figure out the medium

[00:29:53] a little bit more and it's shit like most of it is really really shit like a lot of mostly like captain

[00:30:00] obvious is making obvious points yes this highly intellectual insight that they've gone into like

[00:30:06] you know that whole meme about what and then you made another meme about that you know making

[00:30:14] obvious points about what a home shanti oh actually meant yeah this is that it's just that in

[00:30:21] like 10 minutes video forms yeah I mean let us know if I'm missing somebody that I should be

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[00:30:44] who else is good you know really uh yeah uh it's a shame so I'm glad they're back uh let's go over

[00:30:52] to our main review of this episode which is devra

[00:31:33] ma devra kata

[00:31:39] that was the trailer for devra it stars uh ntr jr and uh janvi kapoor and prakash raj

[00:31:48] how could you remember his hair and not his name I was looking for what the name

[00:32:00] and the name of his haircut is that's why I got stuck shitty is that name so here's the

[00:32:08] IMDb plot summary an epic action saga set against coastal lands which briefs about rip roaring

[00:32:17] what is this so what is this who wrote this emotionally charged incidents in the periodic

[00:32:22] timeline also comprises the titular titular protagonist being the rescuer to deprived

[00:32:28] and fair to evil doers oh dude whoever wrote this whoever approved this on IMDb

[00:32:34] yeah no this is not even chat GPT this is the chap GPT is even better than this so anyway

[00:32:40] shame on you whoever wrote this and made me read this out um yes so we uh all saw this movie

[00:32:49] we I don't know what did we have high expectations going in like where were you like

[00:32:55] it was just like the big release there's not much going on so we thought we'll cover it right

[00:32:59] that's basically what happened I guess like this is a movie we can't necessarily ignore because the

[00:33:05] this is like the big release of the season there is literally no other bigger movie that is out

[00:33:11] the they spent like a ton of money in the making of this and the promotions were everywhere

[00:33:17] Janvikapur is dancing like yeah it's already made a ton of money yeah yeah

[00:33:25] but I think also the movie is kind of critic proof so it feels like you know like it doesn't

[00:33:29] really matter what we you know talk about here but Amrit what were your thoughts about

[00:33:35] David I don't I there was a point where I had gone to watch this before work

[00:33:41] um on like the morning of Friday and then I took a friend along with me and I remember

[00:33:47] like being in the auto coming back home and thinking wow I just watched that movie and I

[00:33:54] don't even get paid for it but at least I'm doing it for a purpose but why did my friend come

[00:34:03] with me like she was really be my friend like she really likes me to have like spent three hours of

[00:34:10] her life watching it but it was I don't know like there were there were things in it that I

[00:34:19] sort of appreciated I guess and then there were things that were unintentionally funny

[00:34:24] and then there was like a whole bunch of things that were just plain boring right

[00:34:28] right but I do appreciate the fact that you the movie opens with this really badly made like 1980s

[00:34:39] graphics tribute to NTR um and it goes on for a long time like yeah and then the the sun is

[00:34:49] behind his head and then the angels start singing I was like wow and it's basically NTR is Jesus

[00:34:56] and it is the most like it's like it's like a five-year-old with Photoshop from like 1985 made it

[00:35:05] like that's the the level of effort that's gone into this and but you can see that they were

[00:35:10] very serious about it they were like yeah yeah yeah like you know like this guy this guy's awesome

[00:35:15] we need to do this um and it like it immediately told you what kind of movie you're gonna watch

[00:35:21] like immediately it's it's funny I would have because I think you and we both do this and I think

[00:35:26] it's like people come with their sincerity on a platter and we just make fun of it because we're just

[00:35:32] like such ironic and poise like Sujai is a nice person you and me will just go add it like

[00:35:39] I also see that sincerity who is that for because I watched that movie in an audience full of

[00:35:50] that expectation where they were shouting J NTR J NTR whenever anything happened on screen right

[00:35:57] so it's hilarious that this movie is like exactly made for the fan service that these fans crave

[00:36:05] for and they lapped it up like like I don't know man it's just like a one of those

[00:36:12] Baba Ram Rahim whatever it's that level of filmmaking it's it's it's that

[00:36:19] but that also ends up hurting the movie in so many ways right like you could see that this

[00:36:25] movie was designed to be Tarek's Bahubali yeah like that is the entire like the way it's not

[00:36:33] the same story but that is the entire arc of it right like in a kingdom far away there is a

[00:36:39] father there is a son and the son has to take up his father's mantle like that is very much a

[00:36:46] Bahubali story but when you make a movie that is 100% fan service and it's it really is it's just

[00:36:59] like NTR junior walking in slow motion from like one place to the other but when you make

[00:37:06] a movie like that then the it comes with certain limitations because you know when you're the

[00:37:15] biggest thing on screen and I've said this before for Salman Khan movies as well of the Salman Khan

[00:37:20] movies that he's been making of late when you are the guy that is untouchable when you are

[00:37:27] supposed to be so above every other human being that you meet over the course of the story

[00:37:36] then there is no story arc or character graph for your character to experience so it's very

[00:37:44] flat note storytelling so in this one for example NTR cannot be touched by anybody else

[00:37:55] so they might fight like Saif Ali Khan and he have like this big fight and everything but

[00:38:01] he cannot be defeated by someone else yeah even when he is drugged and like you know like

[00:38:07] unconscious he still comes to life and like fights off like 50 people and like kills them all

[00:38:14] so when you have a character like that then what are the stakes of this film like there was no point

[00:38:22] in the film where I was worried for this character or that I was invested in whether or not this

[00:38:30] character is going to survive or his struggles because there was no struggle is like this guy

[00:38:36] will come he'll like beat them up and he'll win I think that's why then the movie relies so

[00:38:42] heavily on their twists and reveals because there is no arc so the only you know reveal or surprise

[00:38:48] can be the twist or the you know the ending the way there's a few twists in this movie and like

[00:38:54] changes in the narrative where they actively want to do something different than Bahubali I feel

[00:38:59] right but I mean we'll get into that a little bit I want to talk about that but I think

[00:39:03] what you're saying is kind of linked to that because the character arc is not there so you

[00:39:08] have to add some dramatic weight by adding these twists and reveal and to be honest the twists

[00:39:14] and reveals didn't really work for me because I knew it like from like it was just telegraphed to me

[00:39:19] like really yeah because it was just a matter of logic right like if uh if you cannot be defeated

[00:39:27] by anybody then who's going to defeat you and also that entire thing of like the you know the

[00:39:35] son who is always angry about his dad and he's always talking about like oh like my dad like he'll

[00:39:41] never come back blah blah blah it was just telegraphing ahead of time that you know and we're going to

[00:39:49] be talking about spoilers by the way so if uh people don't want spoilers then this is the point

[00:39:54] where you should leave um but it telegraphed to me like very early on that the dad was dead

[00:40:01] and then at the end when we see like you know that it was the kid who killed his dad

[00:40:08] was that supposed to be like a cut up like why did cut up our kill bauban yeah that's what they were

[00:40:14] setting it up to be yeah 100% it's not a mystery to me is it like it's not a mystery to anybody who

[00:40:19] can spend like two seconds thinking critically about like like do you think like the kid

[00:40:26] wanted to go kill his dad who whom he hero worships no like his dad was the one who like set that whole

[00:40:33] thing up like it's not it's not really like I don't think there's any mystery either in this movie or

[00:40:40] the next I think my main problem is that I don't carry the way that's the that's my problem like

[00:40:45] it's not that there I know there's a reveal coming but the reveal is so weak that the characters

[00:40:52] the mythology that they try to create is so weak that it doesn't matter I don't care at that moment

[00:40:58] I think and I think about I want to go back to just kind of the experience of watching this movie

[00:41:05] because I was thinking about it and I realized when I was walking in theater with our good friend

[00:41:09] that I'd never seen a telugu movie with a telugu crowd I realized while I was sitting because

[00:41:18] even Bahubali was a Tamil dumb it didn't where I'm living it was never in Telugu

[00:41:25] which was a thing but it wasn't you know you know watching a telugu movie with a telugu crowd and

[00:41:29] now we get them so we can go watch them and it was really interesting because these people were

[00:41:34] like fully on board right they were like they had confetti they were like they were checking

[00:41:38] our bags going in which is never happened and I was like wow are they looking for knives or

[00:41:43] what are they doing exactly because there's been fights in London theaters about these telugu movies

[00:41:49] and things like that because people are so passionate about them and people were screaming

[00:41:54] hollering shooting the entry and the stuff but after a while even the crowd just kind of went

[00:42:00] quiet like there were moments where like even the crowd wasn't feeling it and then they would

[00:42:04] try to get it back going when a fight scene happened or like some shot was kind of cool

[00:42:10] like you know Tarek riding a shark or he cuts somebody and then the blood makes a circle of

[00:42:19] they love that that was like this is the ship this is why we paid our ticket

[00:42:23] but those were like very far and few between so I don't know if even the crowd that was fully

[00:42:32] on board was feeling it as much as I think they expected it but I think also they are so

[00:42:37] in love with this that it won't matter they'll be like it's still fine it's good we had a good

[00:42:42] time and that's great for them I think that's what they keep repeating to themselves just to justify

[00:42:47] the devotion that they have it's that yeah and the bhakti no it's just that that they have to

[00:42:51] justify their blind faith in this larger than life off screen and on screen the parasocialism

[00:42:58] that we talk about it's that that NTR exists in both these worlds and it doesn't matter

[00:43:05] whether he's playing devra or he's being Tarek in real life it's that whole combination of that

[00:43:11] persona that they worship if whether it's on screen and off screen and they totally believe

[00:43:16] in that he can slice people up with X's and make the moon crescent with blood and that's hero worship

[00:43:23] for them you know yeah yeah and I don't get that the other thing that I also noticed is that

[00:43:30] I've not seen many NTR movies like I've literally seen Bahubali and this is maybe the second or

[00:43:37] sorry Ararar and I've seen another one the Simba original temper and I think I watched 20 minutes

[00:43:44] of that and then I gave up and then I've seen some dubbed in the version on Z or whatever like

[00:43:50] there's a gold mine that I seen so the thing is and it's hard to watch a movie like that because

[00:43:56] there is so much hero worship right and if you don't understand what the kind of

[00:44:03] shortcuts to stardom are of this star like I was like what makes people love this guy and I don't

[00:44:10] know is it because he's a dancer is he good at action is he good at you know like a dramatic

[00:44:16] performance I couldn't figure it out by watching devra yeah right for sure and remember when we

[00:44:21] were watching Kanur squad and I was probably one of my first Mahmuti movies like one of the

[00:44:26] first and I was like first shot I knew who this man is he's a such a star and he's literally not

[00:44:30] doing anything uh devra I couldn't figure it out honestly I couldn't figure out what like

[00:44:36] and I get it like if I drag some friend to you know Salman Khan's kick and say this is Salman

[00:44:44] right they wouldn't get it necessarily right and I'm in that position where I'm not getting

[00:44:49] it necessarily so I think that's what like the devra only serves as a hero worship fan service

[00:44:55] movie it rides on the pre-existing fandom that his library of movies brought before it you right

[00:45:03] it's just that this is more of a you know new material but is it really new material it's just

[00:45:10] old wine in a new bottle in a way um yeah it doesn't doesn't necessarily provide anything new

[00:45:17] for tarak fandom in a way it's just like new footage I suppose yeah because there's a few

[00:45:24] moments where he's fighting and then he slides back on one knee and he's like looking up and I was

[00:45:29] like is this his move is this the thing that he does that people go crazy is this like Salman

[00:45:33] taking off a shirt is this his thing yeah but it didn't I don't know what it was like I was

[00:45:37] trying I was really trying to gauge their reaction of the crowd to enjoy it or like figure

[00:45:43] you know figure out what it is but I couldn't um but just generally I kind of enjoyed this movie

[00:45:49] like I didn't like like either it seems to be very polarizing like even the fandom really loves it

[00:45:55] and it's the greatest thing ever and the critics seem to hate it because it's terrible and it's like

[00:45:59] I thought it was fine like maybe I was coming in coming in with low expectation I thought

[00:46:04] I had a pretty good time watching it for three hours but I also feel like when the logo drops

[00:46:09] exclusive streaming part and Netflix immediately my mind goes like I'll watch the second part

[00:46:14] it's fine you know like um there's not I don't feel the movie justifies its runtime like three hours or

[00:46:22] whatever it is there's not enough story there and the story is defined I've also felt it very jarring

[00:46:29] that this movie was set in current times or like 96 yes I found that really jarring because that

[00:46:35] village is like such a first of all that village is never really defined I don't understand these

[00:46:40] full tribes I don't understand what makes them different or distinct so that was one of the things

[00:46:46] that really stood out to me because it to me again that it just comes back to that whole

[00:46:53] idea that this was just supposed to be their pahubali you know like it wasn't so much that

[00:46:58] they had an idea or a story that they wanted to bring to to screen they basically just had

[00:47:06] an ambition that they needed to realize I think they wanted it to be the pahubali but didn't have

[00:47:13] the costume budget so then part of the period piece has to be set in modern times when they

[00:47:19] can wear shirts and trousers and city haircut right and so they ran out of ideas like and

[00:47:26] Sujoy had this tweet like a hit tweet where he was talking about like

[00:47:31] I forgot the movie was a flashback as like why is this guy even even there I'd forgotten by that

[00:47:42] there's a flashback within the flashback and then dream sequences within the flashback that

[00:47:46] Prakash Raj knows about Tarak and Janri Kapoor dancing to a song on the beach I'm like

[00:47:53] it just goes on for yeah like at one point I literally turned to my friend and I was just like

[00:47:58] I can't believe you're still in the back like when will this end like it doesn't end

[00:48:05] when you're in a village there's not much going on it's like that's why everybody knew Janvi

[00:48:10] had a dance with him. Asim is a one issue voter when it comes to villages destroy all villages

[00:48:18] Urbanize that crap get us Wi-Fi

[00:48:24] So yeah, can we talk about Janvi by the way?

[00:48:28] Oh shall we talk about safe first?

[00:48:30] Yeah let's talk about safe by the way Prakash Raj why before safe Prakash Raj why

[00:48:35] doesn't he even look in people into the eyes when he's telling a story why is he like always

[00:48:39] like looking at the stars like he cannot recite the lines because he can't remember them

[00:48:45] he's just looking at a dialogue with big words like that yeah like Marlon Brando

[00:48:51] but yeah Seh Fari Khan because I thought he did quite well like and I was I think I was reading

[00:48:57] Baddie's review or watching and he's like he's very ill-fitting and I think at the start

[00:49:02] he does feel a bit weird especially in the dance sequences because it's not like

[00:49:06] safe survive yeah maybe it's just us projecting that this is not safe's vibe and

[00:49:13] he's just like a good actor I thought he did well for me I can't I couldn't get over the voice

[00:49:19] because that voice is such a like we know what Seh Fari Khan sounds like okay like

[00:49:23] this is no way that I am going to listen to that like deep bass like baritone voice come

[00:49:35] out of safe space and be like oh yeah that sounds like safe no I'm sorry but that is not

[00:49:41] that that just absolutely like he's his voice is too unique

[00:49:50] Rami it's just gonna work um but and also but I did I did appreciate that he you know like he is

[00:50:02] building for it yeah like you went for it right yeah yeah with the with the you know kajal

[00:50:08] and the the perm and everything and also I really enjoy Seh Fari Khan wearing a lungi like I'm like

[00:50:16] all about it I'm like yeah yeah yeah you should do that but it was okay it was funny when

[00:50:22] when it was funny when like when Tark is like dancing and then Seh Fari Khan is also trying

[00:50:29] to do those same moves and I'm just like oh honey no no no you should have you know you should have

[00:50:33] sprained your ankle or something that's not a thing yeah so what do you think of safe yeah he turned

[00:50:41] it up to 11 man he is like paisa though then I will do the nach tamasha you know uh he did it and

[00:50:48] like the bronzer is working well he's looking fit man and I'm happy for him but yeah I don't know

[00:50:59] if he belongs in this movie in a way like I don't buy the Nawab being a villager in in a way

[00:51:07] he doesn't look poor is what I'm saying well you mentioned last time

[00:51:12] long night yeah I don't think you didn't buy him then no no I really I bought definitely

[00:51:19] long routyagi this I don't in a way which is funny because even in Lal Kaptaan like I bought him

[00:51:27] in that character as well yeah yeah uh so it's maybe the filmmaker or the treatment then him

[00:51:33] his performance right how do you so do I compare him with him in Kalki then no no no Kalki the other

[00:51:38] one uh what was that CGI Pravas movie where he was the villain oh Adi Purush yeah because that's

[00:51:45] also like a different vibe and I think a lot of people were saying safe was the best part of that

[00:51:50] movie too right I I've hardly like was best and Adi Purush ever in the same sentence or those

[00:51:59] words are these people and what they say the guitar thing and his fingers start breathing

[00:52:06] in the heavy metal people like that I remember that I've made so much effort into forgetting

[00:52:11] that movie I don't want to go down there that lane to try and remember how safe was yeah yeah

[00:52:19] I think safe was great in this like I really liked him maybe it was because safe was my anchor

[00:52:23] in this movie because I was like completely lost at sea uh lost at sea did ask one man come and

[00:52:33] find you lost at Red Sea which was also confusing I would geography confused me I was like wait Red

[00:52:42] Sea that's not there but anyway for a movie that was like all about fan service I can't believe

[00:52:48] they did India junior dirty like that because I guess like I guess there's very few ways that

[00:52:55] you can make swimming look heroic yeah but their choice was to turn him into dolphin man and I'm like

[00:53:04] why did you do that to him yeah because there's a few times he comes out of the water and the

[00:53:11] head is just like slapped on his thing it's like that does not look good that looks like

[00:53:15] am I so focused on hair anyway but anyway um I mean they literally do the wig reveal

[00:53:20] yeah as the sort of big you know twist in the story and the wig is so bad the the wig budget in

[00:53:29] this movie is lacking like all the wigs are bad like it's really bad but it's like coming back to

[00:53:34] the the shark thing right the lasso and the riding the shark that's gonna become one of those

[00:53:40] you know things that white people are going to be discussing on Reddit forums that's going

[00:53:44] to become the gif of the century it's that catapult moment from Bahubali that's become like oh this

[00:53:51] Indian movie where they catapult people into the tower yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean he already had

[00:53:58] the tiger deer and thing from RRR right like so he's just gonna do like other animals like what's

[00:54:04] like next time is eagle like you know like what are we doing um but yeah I think Sef was great in

[00:54:10] this I liked him a lot um I just like I just had problem with the storytelling and stuff like that

[00:54:15] because in these villages never make sense to me the live there didn't make sense to me like

[00:54:19] what's happened in these two 12 years yeah Sef has raised this army of guys that want to kill

[00:54:24] Devarah but he just killed like 50 000 men before that so what are these 12 men going

[00:54:30] through I don't understand it you know yeah I also I also really appreciated that they

[00:54:37] that they ripped off the the Sachin story from Shole where you know he's like

[00:54:45] the bandits come and like murder yeah I just know that one kid Tarak goes around killing 50

[00:54:57] yeah hero logic then then also there's also the thing about these villages having these

[00:55:02] weapons that they love and then there's a competition and like there's so many of these

[00:55:07] things elements in there but I never really get what happens like they win the weapons

[00:55:13] and then nothing happens like it's not like laghan that it starts raining in the villages

[00:55:18] or something like that right like so I was like what what what was even the point of it

[00:55:22] an omen that you know good omen you know if they win the the throne of weapons I guess

[00:55:29] then that brings prosperity in the show the prosperity yeah show somebody's poor exactly

[00:55:35] there's no like it's just a scam it feels like I don't know what the whole point then was of this

[00:55:39] endeavor right speaking of the point of this endeavor Janhvi Kapoor is also in this for 12

[00:55:47] minutes for 12 yeah 12 to 7 minutes I think she is the best part of this move yes yeah okay good

[00:55:54] we agree I think she's great and speaking of voice Amrita that's why I want to talk about

[00:56:01] safe first I think what doesn't work for safe works really well for Janhvi here because I think a lot

[00:56:09] of the criticism that people have about Janhvi is about her voice modulation the way she speaks

[00:56:14] and I think it's because you take that out her performance stands kind of on her own

[00:56:19] and I think it kind of worked like I think it like the dubbing for her worked better

[00:56:24] because her original voice I don't have a problem with Janhvi's voice but a lot of people do so I think

[00:56:30] maybe that kind of worked I thought she was funny I thought the whole eruption in Wendell

[00:56:36] was really funny I want a man to make me erupt an overflow which I thought was really really funny

[00:56:44] and then her dance is really good I think she looks bloody amazing like I couldn't see anybody

[00:56:49] else on screen except her so that's what makes a star right so all she and Tarak are both like

[00:56:55] really good at comedy like even Tarak when you know like he captures that shark and he brings it

[00:57:00] in and like he immediately gives the game away he's like pretty funny in those scenes you

[00:57:07] know like where he's not burdened by you know performing for his fans and the scenes with

[00:57:15] Janhvi was funny Janhvi was very funny in this film and she was gorgeous she was like absolutely

[00:57:23] gorgeous and I've seen people talk about like you know the logic behind that character like

[00:57:29] Ayut saying that there's like you know like a woman in her mid 20s in a village somewhere

[00:57:36] that hasn't gotten married yet blah blah blah I'm like this is not a movie where that kind of logic

[00:57:41] makes it has any place you know like you just roll with it yeah I also like the fact that she

[00:57:47] knew she was hot which I it's something that I really appreciate in female characters you

[00:57:52] know like I just she's like I know how hot I am I'm gonna mess up everybody's like prospective

[00:57:57] grooms you know I did not expect that that was going to be her her arc and also the fact that

[00:58:03] even as a child you know that particular character that character has a little bit of an arc like

[00:58:09] she's a she's an instigator from like you know day one um and I I just literally like burst

[00:58:17] out laughing when um she's like talking about like how Vara isn't like as you know manly

[00:58:25] and violent as she likes uh as she'd want her man to be and then she was just like

[00:58:30] should I wait for his dad to come back and then manage him instead and all her friends start

[00:58:36] screaming at her and then I was like I miss this kind of character like this is like a very

[00:58:44] 80s character yeah 80s early 90s character and I kind of miss that kind of a female lead

[00:58:53] and actually you know who's like really good at playing characters like this

[00:58:56] she gave me I was gonna say I thought I thought it reminded me a lot of she gave you

[00:59:02] weirdly enough this this role and in a in a subtle way like you need to know

[00:59:09] she gave his work to kind of have that kind of energy and they didn't make it like an overt

[00:59:14] kind of you know like oh there's no Chandni playing when she's bathing in the background

[00:59:19] kind of thing right like that kind of thing but I thought it yeah that energy was what it

[00:59:24] reminded me of in a good way so yeah so yeah what did you think of Jan? She was good. She was good.

[00:59:30] She was good man um like the audience went nuts during that uh her intro scene in in the camera

[00:59:38] went up like cameras were like everywhere when she was doing everything yeah and like yeah that's

[00:59:45] the whole Telugu audience viewing experience right the the the mobile phones will be out and

[00:59:51] anything happens of significance on screen and that happened in the Janvi scenes especially the

[00:59:57] Chutamalai song water song probably one of the few enjoyable moments of this movie.

[01:00:05] The songs generally I thought were okay like I like them like the Janvi one is the best one

[01:00:10] but even like the war song that they had uh with safe in it uh that thing I thought it didn't read

[01:00:17] reach the levels of other kind of these songs that we've seen yeah but and it's Anirudh right

[01:00:23] who did the music yeah so but I think the standout song is the the Janvi song to be honest yeah

[01:00:31] so um any other points we forgot about Debra that we want to talk about?

[01:00:36] I was just thinking about like what you said about how you enjoyed this film and somebody on

[01:00:41] Twitter had a tweet up which said sometimes in life you just want to watch a seven on ten movie

[01:00:48] and that's what Debra was for them yeah and I see it you know I see it yeah I still wouldn't rate

[01:00:55] it seven out of ten though that's being very generous six six and a half yeah uh one one

[01:01:03] thing I had I don't know how to say this on a podcast where people so many listens but I'll try

[01:01:08] to do it gently there's something men screaming for a man on screen at a certain point

[01:01:21] at a certain point you lose all semblance of manliness

[01:01:26] like I don't like there's like a moment where like

[01:01:32] and I know Telugu crowd is like all into like my cheese mo and like

[01:01:40] man men are men women are women but my my my dude thumb the F down like you're losing anything

[01:01:49] of semblance of you know what uh I don't maybe I'm old school maybe I'm an uncle commie whatever

[01:01:56] and it's this is not about gender roles or anything scream the way you want man but

[01:02:01] then I don't know it just like some of these screams are very high pitched I'm just like it says

[01:02:07] yeah I just want to point out that this is very funny coming from a Salman Khan fan

[01:02:13] I don't scream like that I do not like even for Salman I will not scream like that but I

[01:02:20] will dance to what was that Billy Billy song I will dance because my Billy tells me to do the

[01:02:27] Billy Billy song so I'll do that but yeah it's just like a lot of these screams were so high

[01:02:32] pitched I was like man like wow okay we've left we've left testosterone outside of the tour when

[01:02:39] you came in so just that that funny thought when I was surrounded by screaming men

[01:02:51] yeah devra part two anybody excited for it do you want to know why he got killed who killed

[01:02:55] it like his son why his son killed him I really don't care I really don't care any of the reveals

[01:03:01] so there were a few of them right so there was now we're really in the end so I wanted to kind

[01:03:05] of get into the spoiler a little bit but so there's a that his son kills him he's the one

[01:03:11] that's killed him uh that he's dead that's another reveal right what else is there there's

[01:03:17] another one I saw somewhere and that the son is portraying the father right yeah he's the one who

[01:03:24] is haunting the village or or beirah's men yeah yeah all of them I was not nothing mind boggling

[01:03:33] nothing that made me see oh I really want to see what happens next I also don't feel like this

[01:03:39] movie needs a second part they could have probably wrapped it all up in one three and a half

[01:03:44] hour movies like they did I know this they wasted a lot of time like I feel with these old weapons

[01:03:48] thing and these four villages and like all of the men suck in this village anyway like you know like

[01:03:54] and then the other one like there was this one woman where they say oh his village only rose

[01:04:00] the boat and that's why he should get the weapons I was like what do the other people

[01:04:04] then do like you know like are they all like pirates are they why did they become pirates

[01:04:09] like and then why do they suddenly like it also that doesn't make sense their pirates

[01:04:13] they didn't think where these weapons are going like suddenly now because Sachin has died now you

[01:04:19] figure out that these weapons are used and then now I'm gonna kill everybody that is doing it

[01:04:24] like all of those things like even Dehwara didn't seem like a nice guy like so that was one thing

[01:04:32] that I kind of appreciated which is that so I started watching a lot of Telugu like action

[01:04:40] movies starting in the early 2000s and at that point there was definitely a shift in

[01:04:51] how they were portraying gangsters right like they were showing people who were doing illegal

[01:04:56] things but it was cool because they were cool as they did those things you know like the

[01:05:03] huh like you know they're bad guys doing bad things but because they've got swag it's okay

[01:05:09] yeah and I appreciated that Dehwara in this film had a conscience he refuses to glamourize what he

[01:05:18] and his friends are doing to his son and he basically says that you know like when his son

[01:05:23] asks him you know for like stories of like what he is doing he says you know like I'm basically just

[01:05:30] you know I'm basically ruining the name of the village is what I'm doing and there is nothing

[01:05:37] that we have done that ought to go in the history books I appreciated that this movie was making

[01:05:44] that morality very clear and I did not expect that in a movie like this and that was a pleasant

[01:05:51] surprise no no it's gone the same Salar and all of those movie may you know root for me like I don't

[01:05:59] care for where the story goes I'll probably watch if it drops on streaming but having said that if

[01:06:07] they were to release it in a year or two we'll be like yeah we'll go because there's nothing else

[01:06:11] releasing at the cinema so why not I don't think it's that bad as Salar and KGF or even

[01:06:18] Kalki like all of the Prabhas movies basically I think this is much better than all of them

[01:06:24] but it's not good it's not Pushpa right Pushpa is the one that I would say like I'm excited to see

[01:06:30] yeah part two of that I was just Pushpa just seems like a coherent movie like it's just

[01:06:37] like a full movie it is a part one but it's like an entire story here it doesn't feel that way

[01:06:43] you know so and I'm kind of tired of that this mode of storytelling where they're already like

[01:06:50] we've not shot part two we'll see but you know this is the first part and I don't know I don't

[01:06:57] think it's working for Indian cinema to do it this way but yeah that's our review of Divra

[01:07:03] let us know if you liked it if you were completely you know if you if you miss something

[01:07:10] or we don't understand the magic here of this kind of movie also recommend me other movies with NTR

[01:07:16] Junior like is there something that I should watch that is good that is available also because a lot

[01:07:20] of his work doesn't seem available because I don't get the star power necessarily but yeah

[01:07:27] I also want to point out that it was interesting that on the day of the premiere NTR Junior

[01:07:36] wasn't in India he was at the fantastic fest in the United States at an event being moderated by our

[01:07:46] Twitter mutual Josh oh really that was a knock it yeah yeah yeah so he and he showed up with his

[01:07:53] American accent for which he got trolled very badly during the promotions for RRR

[01:07:59] and he said you know what I'm gonna double down on that so you and you should I think

[01:08:05] it's good accent switching is good people should do it it's fine it's fine and I've already seen

[01:08:11] like a whole bunch of like white critics being like oh my god this movie is amazing so you know

[01:08:16] it's working love it all for it all for it.

[01:08:22] Amrita where can people find you online? You can find me on Twitter at Amrita IQ

[01:08:27] and a little later in this week you can also watch our video essay about Kareena Kapoor Khan

[01:08:36] which is called The Last Bollywood Diva. So Joy you can find me on all my socials

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[01:08:51] BBC this Friday with our friend Haroon and Nikita we're going to be discussing the ultimate 90s songs

[01:08:59] and playlists so you know what I'll do after this on Patreon I'll drop my list or our list in a way

[01:09:07] the ones that we picked. I don't want to do it before the show comes out so if you're on

[01:09:11] Patreon you can see what we actually selected from the best 2000 songs that we like the most

[01:09:17] I think that 90s or the 2000s 2000 this time right 90s was in June when I was also there

[01:09:23] but this is the 2000 so if you're in the UK you can tune in on a BBC Asian network listen to us live

[01:09:29] I think it's going to be from 9 till 11 or 12 or something like that. I'll be making a short

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[01:09:39] to be available on sounds and it's going to be a lot of fun. I think I've also recorded some

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