Ep 245- The Buckingham Murders

[00:00:11] Hi, this is Arseem. This is Sujoi. This is Amrita. And you're listening to Khandaan, a Bollywood Podcast about the three main Khandas of the Hindi film industry.

[00:00:24] Amrita Salman and Sharam.

[00:00:57] Hello, it's been a while since we heard that intro.

[00:01:03] It has been a while. I'm very rusty, guys. I'm very rusty. This might be a very rusty episode in general. We might be a bit shaking of the cobwebs and stuff like that. How was this all?

[00:01:24] Let's not get carried away.

[00:01:28] Sujoi had adventures. Sujoi went all around the world.

[00:01:59] I was like, I think I also watched Khandaan and Gail. All of them were pretty good. I don't know why I don't give them as much credit when I see them on their streaming specials.

[00:02:13] When you watch it with an audience, it's pretty amazing. Especially because in an Edinburgh friend, it's not a big audience. It's literally like 100 people and to control that.

[00:02:23] Because everything can go wrong when you're playing such a small room. It's amazing how well-oiled their performance and their crafters because they've been doing this for a while.

[00:02:36] I was more accepting watching them live rather than on specials. I think Khandaan Gail especially was really good.

[00:02:46] This is inside chat. A lot of times these Indian comedians will come to London and do a show and I'm always asking Sujoi.

[00:02:54] I don't even have time to talk about my message. I don't know how he does it. He does it.

[00:03:21] What do you want me to say? I went to Madurai with my friends and then we ate literally everything in size.

[00:03:35] I posted a few pictures in another group chat and they were like, you leave any animals.

[00:03:44] Because I was eating pigeon, I was eating rabbit, I was eating all sorts of things and they were all delicious.

[00:04:21] I was wearing James Bond. That was pretty crazy. There were all those pictures and things.

[00:04:57] I watched so much ballad. My blood calls for it. We were done when we stopped recording the last episode.

[00:05:10] I was like, I need a break. I was like, I need to shoot and inject some ballad in my blood because I've been missing it for two or three weeks.

[00:05:22] I went with the most ballad of body with things. I was going to watch Kabhushi Kabhi, I was going to watch Mahabha, you cannot be more body than that.

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[00:05:48] This episode is going to talk about some of the trailers that dropped and our main review will be Buckingham murders which we just saw yesterday.

[00:05:57] Let's talk a bit about some of the trailers that dropped.

[00:05:59] I've been waiting for a long time. I've been waiting for a long time.

[00:06:07] I've been waiting for the rest of my life and my family is getting married.

[00:06:17] I'm sorry, my family is very tired and I'm very tired.

[00:06:35] the first is not even a trailer it's a teaser right so it's a

[00:06:39] jigra right the idea about Vidangrana Vasant Bala movie yes it's a very

[00:06:47] short teaser and I have to be honest I seem to prefer teaser to trailers

[00:06:51] just generally so I'm really happy to see it.

[00:06:56] I loved it I am so excited like the poster of her on the street with the puppet

[00:07:04] dragon head behind her I was so taken aback like for the first time in a very

[00:07:10] long time I saw something that was innovative and different and fun and like

[00:07:18] it just promised me things that Indian film poster hasn't promised me in a

[00:07:24] very long time you know the way that it was mimicking manga

[00:07:28] like it was just like amazing like I loved it like actual you know like

[00:07:34] it it felt like a actually like movie movie rather than just like content

[00:07:38] stuff and I like Alia like you know like I enjoy Alia like doing the

[00:07:46] stuff that she's doing here I think this is the register in which she

[00:07:51] excels and I enjoy Vidangrana as I enjoyed the entire poster of the Archies so

[00:07:59] I'm really looking forward to it and of course like Vasant Bala like the

[00:08:02] Mads never made a bad movie so very excited for this one.

[00:08:08] What are you, CJ?

[00:08:10] Yeah I am not as excited as I'm with her but the trailer or the teaser sort of

[00:08:18] cleared some confusions that I had about the movie before I had only seen

[00:08:24] the poster right and I think it's going to be a prison break movie kind of a

[00:08:29] situation with Vatangrana who is the younger brother of Alia Vats character in

[00:08:35] the movie who has been imprisoned on some sort of weird you know accusations

[00:08:42] I suppose in a foreign land and it's her mission to rescue him in some way

[00:08:47] and I think I'm looking forward to that. It seems like something that I would

[00:08:53] see in a Korean movie and like Vasant Bala knows the action genre well I think

[00:09:00] and I'm looking forward to seeing Alia Vat in this genre I think we haven't seen her

[00:09:07] do an action movie and we'll see how that play you know plays out. I'm cautiously

[00:09:13] optimistic. Where is this shot like with with country I was supposed to be in his

[00:09:18] chest.

[00:09:18] I like the dragon confused me. Yeah I mean too.

[00:09:25] Yeah so yeah I don't know where but then I thought maybe it's Bangkok because I don't

[00:09:29] imagine they can shoot an Indian movie in China right like this probably restriction to

[00:09:33] that. So I was like it's not China doesn't look like Japan's I was like confused

[00:09:37] it's Bangkok like wherever we exactly but I mean I couldn't find the information but yeah

[00:09:43] I don't know why lately I mean Twitter or X is a hell sight at the moment just generally

[00:09:50] but I have been seeing a lot of Alia hate on there. I don't know if you guys have come

[00:09:57] come across it and even like ridiculous stuff like she flares her nostrils too much I was like

[00:10:01] it's a body like how do you how do you control your nostrils like how does that even work you know

[00:10:07] I don't know why this hate comes from everybody loved her last year when Rocky and Nico was coming

[00:10:11] out so I think she's great like I think she does a great job and I think this looks pretty pretty

[00:10:16] amazing and challenging like it looks like a challenge she's not like a Katrina cave right like

[00:10:23] like somebody who's a badass action star who can be one like Shilpa Shetty or even you know

[00:10:28] Katrina cave she's like a very small individuals so having her do like a full on action movie

[00:10:34] after motherhood must be a big challenge right and taking that on so I think it's already a great

[00:10:40] thing that she's doing this she's really leading the movie like she is the one that's the star of

[00:10:46] movie and I think that is amazing you know like being a you know a poster star and we've also already said

[00:10:53] that she is one of those female actresses that can really open up a movie so I think that's great

[00:10:58] for Alia too the visuals are amazing the setting is really cool and I think also just it's cool to see

[00:11:06] Vassan Bala has a filmmaker you can really see the progression of him as a filmmaker right like every

[00:11:11] movie he makes his bigger is more ambitious he's telling like a bigger story and that's not

[00:11:16] something that every filmmaker is able to do or allow to do and I think that's just cool to see

[00:11:21] that kind of progression you know I'm very excited for Jigra so yeah I think the trailer really

[00:11:28] really worked for me I even liked the Mary Bahaerie make which almost were like a social network

[00:11:36] you know like when they do these choir versions of these songs and they do this with song I thought

[00:11:42] there was just kind of a cool cool kind of a way to do this so yeah I'm excited for Jigra when

[00:11:47] is it coming out anybody know early next month I think October 11 yeah I'm excited for this one

[00:11:57] second trailer that dropped was and actually the movie is coming out in two weeks time already

[00:12:02] devar apart to part one sorry devar apart one

[00:12:44] yeah I don't know how to pronounce it okay okay you just you just saw the trailer just now right

[00:12:59] I mean I had a quick look yeah what did you think um genuinely like this is the kind of movie

[00:13:08] where it doesn't really matter what the plot is I've seen a lot of people you know uh I

[00:13:14] you want to whether this is a remake of this movie that movie generally it doesn't matter

[00:13:20] this is going to be a spectacle I saw an interview that the cast did and the cast is

[00:13:28] definitely Khan um junior NTR and John Rikopur and they did an interview with some

[00:13:38] be pretty long that I think which why I don't even understand but they were like talking about like

[00:13:47] the set pieces they shot etc and there's a pantry a lot of like underwater sequences you know

[00:13:54] like uh giant action pieces etc and you know like people are going to go watch that spectacle

[00:14:03] it doesn't really matter like you know like oh is this like the plot of the century like what's

[00:14:09] dialogues like nobody has it looks like boobaly and water basically yeah like money well above

[00:14:16] right that's a line so I will do you think of the trailer I'll give you my honest thoughts

[00:14:23] the trailer reminded me of Shamsheira like it's literally the same plot like father died in

[00:14:30] the sun has to redeem that same arg and that's been seen you know for ages and boobly would I guess

[00:14:39] and the CG looks shit to be honest it's such an expensive movie I'm sorry man I don't buy it

[00:14:46] this movie does not seem like my kind of life I will definitely go watch it with you as a but

[00:14:54] I don't think I'll be enjoying this movie I am excited to see sciathaly Khan as the villain

[00:14:59] though because he always choose scenery when it's like when this is offered to him on a plate

[00:15:04] he'll be like you know total in a long rataer game mode yeah that's exactly what I thought about when

[00:15:10] I saw him with a shitty haircut then no offense for anybody that has that haircut but

[00:15:17] sure there are people that have that haircut it's a shitty haircut says a man with no hair

[00:15:23] so then you know it's a really shitty haircut I'd rather be bald than have that haircut

[00:15:30] I have to say there's a severe lack of janvi in that trailer like I didn't see her once

[00:15:35] I don't think she's like she's like when so I if the thing is like I've just been

[00:15:45] between so many times that I don't trust it anymore but the way the trailer is cut

[00:15:52] the like one of the villain says you know like we need a secret weapon to bring him down

[00:15:57] him being like junior and tier and then they cut to janvi and so I'm just like oh

[00:16:05] like it's like janvi going to be the secret weapon that brings them down but

[00:16:11] that would be a level of plotting that I'm just like oh like is that gonna happen?

[00:16:17] hmm yeah one thing I must say though the trailer is two minute 40 minutes

[00:16:25] two minute 40 seconds long can we do away with like trailers that are so long that they

[00:16:33] pretty much give away everything and you know that's what I'm saying that's why I prefer a teaser more

[00:16:38] than to a trailer with like jigra right I'm excited for jigra and like actually I was excited

[00:16:44] when I was seeing the davora songs I thought oh this looks actually quite cool I was really

[00:16:48] happy to see janvi dancing like I was I forgot in that I only see her dance on Instagram for like

[00:16:55] training and I'm like cat training career dance cup kind of you know like I don't see the songs

[00:17:01] like and she's such a good dancer right I mean I I I I I I I I I feel she's a good dancer I

[00:17:06] don't know but it was just good to see her have fun on screen which it feels like Bolu would

[00:17:12] even allow her or give her those kind of project which you can actually have fun she's like stuck

[00:17:17] in a freezer she stuck in a helicopter she stuck in a bad marriage she stuck in Auschwitz you know

[00:17:22] like there's no fun to be had but like here she's having fun she has to go south to have fun you know

[00:17:28] and then the people complain why do we not have heroes and heroes because those movies I know

[00:17:33] that's one thing I have to say and clearly I've not spoken for like weeks so I have a lot to say

[00:17:37] because I understand while I'm doing this but you know I think this dessert drop the same day

[00:17:45] that anubah of sinha netflix thing dropped what is it called the flight high I see yeah I see

[00:17:54] something yeah I'm sorry yeah wasn't that already made with video jamaal already I think he also

[00:18:02] I'm gonna have a video jamaal fan I know his I am doing the thing but I was like

[00:18:08] and I don't know what that hijack is about I I'm probably thinking something new with Pakistan

[00:18:13] or Islamic terrorism or something like that no is it not yeah so back like 20 years ago there was

[00:18:20] flight that was hijacked by these Islamic terrorists who forced it to land in Kabul

[00:18:29] and they were basically working under the orders of the ISI apparently but then even allegedly yeah

[00:18:37] and then I think it was actually established like I don't think it was even like one of those

[00:18:42] allegedly take it and then what happened was they needed like they were like a bunch of like

[00:18:49] Talibani guys that were like in that were in Indian prisons at the time and one of them was

[00:18:57] actually that guy Khalid Omaar like what was his name the 9-11 guy so like they got them out

[00:19:06] so there were three of them and they exchanged them for the plane full of hostages and then

[00:19:12] they went on like at least like one of them went on to do like 9-11 so

[00:19:17] the shared universe of terrorism yes so when that happened obviously like when that happened

[00:19:26] actually like we didn't really know who those guys were like they were just in Indian prisons

[00:19:31] and I think even the Indian government was just like all like we got like another bunch of like

[00:19:35] terrorists who cares um and then this whole thing happened and I think that's when the whole like

[00:19:41] the Taliban are aligned with Islamic terror like that's when the world came to know about that

[00:19:48] stuff and then yeah so that was like a big deal it went on for a few days like everyone was

[00:19:57] just plastered to the TV it was like a huge event in India basically so that dropped and then

[00:20:04] they were our dropped and there's also the trailer from that movie with Suriya and Bobby Dewell I don't

[00:20:09] know what it's called but it looks pretty amazing I'll try to I am D.V. the name while we're talking

[00:20:16] but I was like man South cinema is doing that level of filmmaking whereas like volume

[00:20:22] is still doing this hijack real drama bullshit that nobody is being happy like the people that

[00:20:28] should be happy are also not happy with an above center right like they're also like complaining

[00:20:32] why did you make it why did you make these people humor or something like that I didn't even

[00:20:37] know it was on holiday I was at the pool but I was like man the ambition even with less

[00:20:42] sir budget or lesser sci-fi or whatever took what volume what is doing you know and to

[00:20:48] stand John we go to South to have fun you know there's just no comparison between it so

[00:20:54] even though it's nothing groundbreaking like you said Shamshira I've saw Bahubali in the water

[00:21:00] I mean at least it's gonna be fun and made with you know love for cinema and like you know

[00:21:06] willing to give us entertainment and something visual and something and at the moment

[00:21:13] the way things stand in Hollywood that's enough for me that is like good enough you know

[00:21:18] I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would I would

[00:21:23] love of cinema and visual and all of that I've been bitten by that bug way too many times to have

[00:21:29] faith in Southern cinema itself like we've seen Colky happen we've seen like a lot of

[00:21:35] like we have seen the KGF movies you've seen the other professor movie what was that salar

[00:21:42] so yeah but I feel those were necessarily maybe this is wrong my thing but like I don't

[00:21:49] feel they were I trying to be a pan Indian movie whereas I feel with all of those that you've

[00:21:54] mentioned add like or to it all of those were trying to be pan Indian kind of phenomenon where

[00:22:00] I'm not sure this is trying to be this feels more in line with Puspa

[00:22:06] where it's it's it's their movie they want to make it and then if it's massively successful great

[00:22:11] whereas I think the intention for Colky and for Liger and all of those others was always

[00:22:17] oh we're gonna make the next bubble wellie I don't know I don't know maybe that's just the

[00:22:21] why I'm getting but I also agree my vibe is because I see all of the other promotions via Karan

[00:22:27] George's feed and that's why I'm getting that you know then it's trying hard to be pan India

[00:22:34] so I'm seeing it through the same lens as you know oh this is yet another attempt at

[00:22:40] this is yet another salar in the making or yet another kid

[00:22:44] Colky in the making which I don't like so we'll see how they were up answered

[00:22:50] last trailer that dropped is Vicky Vidyaka Vovala video

[00:22:57] oh

[00:23:05] idea yeah

[00:23:06] but

[00:23:06] You can see your own words.

[00:23:09] And you can see your voice.

[00:23:11] But you can't do anything.

[00:23:13] So I'm thinking about it.

[00:23:15] We'll make sure that we're able to see your words.

[00:23:18] Thank you for leaving me.

[00:23:25] I think there's a lot of people in the city who are here to talk to me.

[00:23:30] The girls were not here yet. They were also here.

[00:23:33] Yes, they were.

[00:23:34] What do you think?

[00:23:36] Kan dope, kan dope.

[00:23:40] I can't marry him.

[00:23:44] So, before Asim says anything, right?

[00:23:47] We went to watch Buckingham Brothers at the cinema on Friday night

[00:23:51] and we were briefly talking about it

[00:23:53] and then the topic came about you know recent heroines and all of that

[00:23:58] and our friend Yam, it was saying you know how she finds

[00:24:04] the current group of heroines to be not as crushworthy as the ones that we were,

[00:24:10] you know, where when we were growing up, right?

[00:24:14] And Asim was like, you know, 30th of them were his heart but she's not like 97 heart

[00:24:20] and I didn't use word heart. I don't use word heart, but yeah, go ahead 50, I said 50, go ahead

[00:24:26] Go ahead and then Asim said 97, we are always like, what is the last time?

[00:24:35] Ya, Lerikya 39.

[00:24:39] But where is the lie? Where is the lie?

[00:24:42] My thesis was, I mean like I've been on board of 30th of the movie from the start, you know,

[00:24:48] huge fan of 30th movie, she's unbelievable beautiful, unbelievable but she's very,

[00:24:53] you know that tweet is like this is a face that has seen a mobile phone.

[00:24:57] She has that she is 20, 24 pretty or she's 18, 20 pretty, you know,

[00:25:04] 90, 40 pretty that kind of pretty like, Bulbul Great, she did amazing. Yeah, 100%

[00:25:09] bite 97 pretty is a very specific pretty it's like Sunali Bendri pretty,

[00:25:16] Is Kashmir charisma couple pretty is Madhuri pretty is you know my wife pretty is Amrit

[00:25:22] pretty like 97 was a pretty year like we were all very beautiful at that time and

[00:25:30] she's not that same kind of pretty that's what I was saying in secret,

[00:25:35] yeah the makeup is off right like the makeup that she's wearing, the her,

[00:25:42] a volume of hair. Ya, there's something with a volume of hair because our hair products are too

[00:25:49] good now we used to have to work with shitty hair product, we basically had mousse and hair spray.

[00:25:56] We used to do the back comb I don't you remember that but yeah get the back comb for the for the

[00:26:01] volume if you're talking about the hair the hair of all the male people in this trailer is also

[00:26:08] off like ever but it's very like 100 they cannot do the hair because the products are too well

[00:26:13] and they're kind of reproducing something. I cannot stand there I don't know what he's wearing

[00:26:20] he's a monster that Ratsumari Rao is wearing in this trailer man it's just the man and Vijera's oh my

[00:26:28] god that is on purpose I think for comedic you know whatever but yeah why did they make the hero

[00:26:35] the movie where that wig is beyond me but also like Ratsumari Rao is um she's essentially playing

[00:26:43] the same characters he plays in 3 2 right like always this 3 universe yeah um but he's anyway

[00:26:52] but I did I mean I will watch it um my problem with 3 is that I don't think she's a very good dancer

[00:27:00] or if she is then she's hiding her light under a very large bushel because I haven't seen anything yet

[00:27:07] the right like little bits and pieces and I've also seen like uh behind the scenes like you saw

[00:27:14] tiny bits of it in the trailer but there's apparently going to be like one of those um post credits songs you

[00:27:21] know yeah definitely like feels like a postcard song yeah and I've seen the B at the BTS of that

[00:27:29] a club video being shot and I did not careful it like it just looked it looked very generic

[00:27:39] and the thing is like I don't think people put enough respect on the art of the Bolivarititum song

[00:27:47] because it requires a level of attitude and like you have to like there's a reason why everyone

[00:27:53] watched Thobba Thobba and they came away talking about Biki and they had like absolutely nothing to say

[00:27:59] about 3p um not even the fact that you know I mean because 3p obviously she wasn't dancing but she

[00:28:07] was posing um but the way they shot her in all these songs is like it's like Cartier does you know

[00:28:15] like that's how they're shooting her and that's yeah you just move your hip this way move

[00:28:20] your boobs that way and that's not like that's what they're asking over right so I don't

[00:28:25] think she's got a real dance song yet also choreography in bodywood is down the drain together

[00:28:32] with this like it's not a good time you know and which is funny because like when Ishma

[00:28:38] and Bumi Padnega made uh what is the name of the film the Dhamla Gakha's uh Dhamla Gakha's

[00:28:49] they brought back Kumashan and like they made the song it was so good like the choreography was on point

[00:28:57] it was like Rekha Chini Prakha do you really brought back the Kya do um it was great it was

[00:29:03] absolutely great and it was pitch perfect um and so even if they didn't know exactly how to do it

[00:29:11] they had at least that movie to look back at you know and like use that as a reference I don't know

[00:29:16] they didn't do that so mm mm mm mm mm mm mm this link looks like a streaming movie to me to be honest

[00:29:22] like I yeah yeah and like you mentioned Dhamla Gakha's I think it's very reminiscent of that kind of

[00:29:28] thing also if you're really of guns and gloves you know when you were talking about Rajkoharao

[00:29:33] there was that other series too right like that was set in the uh in the uh in the 90s it was like

[00:29:39] love stories that were like yeah you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:29:48] yeah I think they just keep going back to this nostalgia kind of trope which I don't necessarily

[00:29:52] think it's working for me because I was not nostalgic of that era I you know except I for the women

[00:29:58] nearly 90s 90s 90s 90s 70s yeah so my life is just a scene like full uncle you know when

[00:30:09] we were growing up in our teens and uncles were like Madhu Bala by Jantith. It's pretty much that

[00:30:18] yeah so joy was loving that um yeah but I'm not just nostalgic for that period and I've made it

[00:30:24] late many times I just don't like small time movies small time movies it just greats me and

[00:30:29] annoys me I don't like the clothes I don't like the thinking also just don't think it's realistic

[00:30:35] like the story seems to be that on their wedding night they make a sex video a home video

[00:30:42] and then that gets released like that's out in the oven so it's basically sex sports right

[00:30:47] somebody steal certain and now they need to like bring it back like it's yeah but sometimes they

[00:30:52] there the one that I've shot it right like yeah so that just seems very weird to me like I don't

[00:30:58] feel I don't know maybe again I'm not like aware of how sexuality used to work in 97 in India

[00:31:04] but it just seems like a very odd thing to me to be the premise of a movie but uh yeah I just

[00:31:12] feel something false in it what I do like about it is that these these are loud movies like the

[00:31:18] loud and I like in the trailer that 30 they really get some moment to be loud completely in

[00:31:25] the trailer which I think is something that when they cut a trailer they don't like they don't

[00:31:30] allow the women characters to be and I think then it's like oh there's no reason for you know

[00:31:37] she's gonna have like a flower pot roll and I don't think this is the case for this one.

[00:31:42] I think also just generally I think Rajkumar Rao needs a strong presence around him

[00:31:48] because he's not that strong as a like a performer for me like any of his solo movies be it like

[00:31:55] new turn be it shri Kant they've not really really worked that well right it's more when it's more

[00:32:01] of more people around him like three or like what was the one with the very likey barfi these kind

[00:32:06] of movies work better when he has more of people around him but yeah that's just my thinking I think

[00:32:14] did you guys those recognize Arjuna Puransing playing what actually seem up our plays in all of

[00:32:20] these movies Arjuna Puransing has been replaced in in this role? No I didn't notice I didn't notice

[00:32:26] she was in it actually yeah. I was just very happy to see Malika Shraha with again.

[00:32:31] I was gonna say I was more excited for her than anything and she delivers that one line with so much

[00:32:38] I didn't I maybe I wasn't really a question out of that. I don't remember anymore I'm like looking

[00:32:43] where I'm very fondly towards it now. Yeah I think she's good I think I'm more excited to see her

[00:32:50] on screen than any videos yeah that's an interesting casting choice for sure yeah and good for her you

[00:32:56] know for me coming back it's like that yeah so let's see wiki vidiya kavovala video

[00:33:04] what a title man what a title. Any news when the new deal is joining us? I read up on her

[00:33:13] she is tough. Missing child and you're in family. Okay so time for our main review which is

[00:33:32] booking her murders is it the booking a murder is it the booking the booking the booking the

[00:33:37] Karina Kapoor's new movie directed by Hansel Meta this actually funny enough this movie came out at

[00:33:45] the London film festival last year I think and I was really trying to get some tickets but as usual

[00:33:52] PR companies, body would PR companies do not do a great job because they're badly treated

[00:33:58] by the production companies in India and that was a mess I couldn't find tickets and I missed it out

[00:34:05] so I was really the another thing is Karina Kapoor has been really plugging this movie throughout

[00:34:11] the year and a half like everybody talks ask her what what are you excited about what are you working on

[00:34:17] and she always plugs the booking a murders and I think it's also because she produced the movie

[00:34:21] it wasn't aware of and it's gotten like not a huge release I would say right it's like a

[00:34:30] kind of I didn't get like a huge push. I generally thought it was a streaming movie and then

[00:34:35] I only realized that it was out in theaters when you guys were talking about booking tickets

[00:34:40] yeah and then it was really hard to find a show that was playing at the theater near me at the time

[00:34:47] that was coming here for me so he's definitely a limited release. Yeah so this is the IMDB plot summary

[00:34:53] it's a grieving cop played by Karina Kapoor who loses a child to murder and moves to another

[00:34:59] town where she's tasked with investigating the disappearance of a missing child exploring themes

[00:35:04] of trauma, grief, the immigrant experience and our need for closure so yeah Hansel Maita directed

[00:35:12] and I also read that they're looking to make this into a series but that was an article from last year

[00:35:20] so I don't know how it's evolved now like where they are now yeah quick thoughts uh so Joie we

[00:35:27] watched you together what did you think of the booking a murders? Um how do I say this?

[00:35:35] I am a big fan of this genre like small town you know police people with you know

[00:35:43] who are stressed out with their own issues they have a lot of emotional baggage they are going

[00:35:48] through their own issues and then some crime happens in the town where everybody involved

[00:35:54] sort of seem to have a motive it's pretty much the same formula where there you look at Nordic

[00:36:00] war or British grown police dramas be it happy valley uh broad church and then there's the

[00:36:08] killing and even the gatemen's let's show mirror of eastown right that came out um all of these

[00:36:15] sort of similarly follow a sort of formula which this show very much commits to but I think

[00:36:25] uh within the span of a movie it's very difficult to convey the dread and the draeriness of

[00:36:34] a setting like this. B it's also trying to show some sort of a racial tension element in this which

[00:36:42] failed to do so in in my opinion but I am happy to see Karina in this role and that you know she

[00:36:52] wanted to be associated with a genre like this and play this protagonist in a movie like this

[00:36:58] and she put her money where you know where she wanted to and actually made this happen and come

[00:37:05] into fruition I'm really happy for that. Having said that this is a very much

[00:37:11] a streaming movie it's a very much a six out of ten movie for me. Hmm okay whatever you

[00:37:19] know I know you're a fan of the genre to write. Yes I'm a huge fan of the genre and

[00:37:28] I maybe give it like a seven out of ten because I also want to give this movie props for

[00:37:35] humanizing all the characters that we see you know like even when like this didn't really

[00:37:42] deliver on the part where I was confused as to like who the the murderer was or what they

[00:37:50] motive was etc. I think all of that gets telegraphed pretty early on and I knew that the

[00:38:01] eventual murderer was going to play a significant part if not was actually the murderer like I

[00:38:08] knew that pretty much early on like before the interval because this movie it just really

[00:38:15] tele the characters really telegraph a lot about who they are and how they would behave in

[00:38:22] certain circumstances. I think the lack of tension that Sujioi is talking about comes down to the way

[00:38:29] this movie is plotted and it is something that I noticed immediately because I am such a big fan

[00:38:37] of the genre and I watch it so much. Traditionally when you see something like this we start in one of

[00:38:45] two ways. One is we see the victim and we start the movie with the victim and the re as an audience

[00:38:53] build some kind of empathy or some kind of bond with the victim so that that memory keeps us going

[00:39:03] and keeps us invested in the stakes of the movie or we start with the investigator arriving at

[00:39:13] the scene of the crime and then they become our entry into the world in which the murder has taken place

[00:39:23] and then we are discovering things as they are you know experiencing it and therefore

[00:39:29] we are building up our emotions as we go through with it and then the tortured investigator which is

[00:39:37] like a trope character that you know the trauma whatever it is that they're dealing with is something

[00:39:46] that we see in flashbacks and it is very much treated as extra detail that helps around out the

[00:39:56] character and eventually at a certain point allows you like closer to the climax allows you

[00:40:03] to understand why this person is so invested in this particular murder but the way this movie is built

[00:40:12] we start with the investigators trauma. Yeah it's very linear in that really. Very linear

[00:40:20] and so it's very much this happened and this happened and this happened and this happened

[00:40:27] it is not you know like there is very little tension in the plotting so you are not being pulled

[00:40:35] like this not there's not much for you to wonder about there's not much for you to discover about

[00:40:42] the different characters even though the husband and wife that we see in this particular story

[00:40:50] were at the you know at the crux of the whole murder mystery. Even with them you are not really

[00:40:59] discovering things about them it's pretty much telegraphed as soon as you meet them you know the

[00:41:07] way they behave with each other you can immediately get the feeling that oh like you know there's

[00:41:12] this happening. So that's basically you know it's a skill issue in my personal opinion like

[00:41:22] the writers needed to watch a few more British crying series and then do it but I just

[00:41:32] well I'm just very impressed by the level of performances I thought the performances were like

[00:41:43] and also I went to see this with a friend of mine and the very first thing that she said to me

[00:41:48] in the interval was like my god she's done absolutely nothing to her face like she's not done any

[00:41:54] both thoughts and you can like really see it and I was like yeah because like if you have that

[00:41:59] face card why would you want to do anything with it you know like it's it's perfect as it is

[00:42:05] and they also like very unusually for an Indian production they hired actual British people

[00:42:13] to play British people with the exception of Sakyb Sakeb Sakeb Sakeb Sakeb Sakeb

[00:42:27] Yeah yeah hopefully in the army was just like very funny but the Sakeb is very definitely an Indian

[00:42:33] kid you know like and so he's speaking in that and this is like probably one of those little things

[00:42:38] that you will only know if you've lived in the United Kingdom but the accent you know so it's like

[00:42:45] gives it away yeah like I'm like that's not how Sakeb would talk like it's too harsh for Sakeb

[00:42:53] but yeah I thought I was like really interesting it was like an end it was interesting

[00:42:59] that they actually set it in the middle of race like racial issues between sex and Muslims in the

[00:43:09] United Kingdom I did not see that coming so that was just like oh I didn't see that happen

[00:43:14] and also like you know like it starts with a guy who's like doing it was like a shooter and I was

[00:43:19] like that's not the UK either but yeah overall I would say like a seven out of ten

[00:43:27] yeah yeah it's on the one hand it's interesting because it does seem like very rooted in how

[00:43:33] the UK works and it's writing because it is touching on certain something but then there are

[00:43:38] some things that just don't happen like a guy shooting people in a bowling alley that you would

[00:43:44] be with a knife and it has literally literally happened like a couple of weeks ago it's just guns

[00:43:50] the UK is not a thing that people especially like a like it feels like a homeless person right

[00:43:56] like you know have access to it just then that seems like a very American thing it doesn't seem

[00:44:01] like a UK thing but I think a lot of the the kind of themes are very very British I feel and

[00:44:09] you need to have an understanding of how this country works to it and it feels funny enough

[00:44:14] the way deals with diversity is is very British in a way because I was watching slow horses I don't

[00:44:22] know if you guys watch slow horses it's an aporty we show um it's getting a lot of praise in like

[00:44:29] nerd critic film critic circles and it reminds me in a way of downtown downtown Abbey where a lot

[00:44:36] of these Americans were on the show like oh my god downtown Abbey seen it there's stuff like that

[00:44:40] and for British people it was like just the most basic show that they see all the time and I have

[00:44:45] the same thing with slow horses that it's the same thing all the time but it made me think of how

[00:44:50] diversity is dealt with in British TV where it's actually never really dealt with you know they

[00:44:57] it's mentioned slightly like some people there's gonna be a minority character in the background

[00:45:02] like the second but it's never like they never have a conversation about their race they never

[00:45:10] they never have you know like in the booking of murders you have a black character speaking with

[00:45:20] Karina Kapoor's character but they never talk about the racial implications of being

[00:45:26] minority women in a white British force right but we understand that there's something there but

[00:45:34] they never explicitly talk about it and that felt so British to be more than anything else I was

[00:45:39] like this is exactly how Britain talks about diversity but not talking about it and that is

[00:45:44] that you need to be inherently understanding British TV to be able to recreate that yeah

[00:45:51] and I think the recreation is what I like the most because um I get your point number

[00:45:57] that is this is not different from any other British shows we've seen but I think for the audience

[00:46:04] they probably never seen a British show you know they've never seen this kind of thing and they've

[00:46:09] really not seen it with Karina Kapoor and I got it just give props to Karina like A on A face card

[00:46:16] like you could just make a movie by putting a camera on her face for two hours and I would watch it

[00:46:21] like just her face right and it's speaking because I just watched K3G yesterday in sayters and she was

[00:46:28] playing the poo character the园 essential Karina Kapoor character and then the day before I saw

[00:46:33] him where it is I was like man she's so pretty man this like Karina is my vibe like

[00:46:40] I find her more beautiful now than I ever did back in the back in the day I think she's so amazing

[00:46:46] but we know because she's been a performer for so long and I know Amirita the next essay

[00:46:54] is going to be on Karina so I'm very excited about that but she has mannerisms Karina Kapoor has

[00:47:01] certain mannerisms the way she opens her eyes the way she shakes her head the way she modulates her voice

[00:47:07] you know none of that she does in this and she adapts so well to British cop tropes

[00:47:16] there is like wow like I don't think we pay enough respect to Karina Kapoor as an actress

[00:47:22] she is able to do this without even missing a beat and I think it's amazing the only thing she

[00:47:29] not able to pull off is jogging because she clearly has never jogged in her life

[00:47:35] Karina has never jogged she does yoga she does politis she does not jog and that is showing

[00:47:42] but also I appreciate the she didn't attempt to do a British accent because she knew that

[00:47:49] she would be ripped apart she tried that and that was a very smart decision

[00:47:54] and also I don't feel it was needed at all like it wasn't needed like yeah it added

[00:47:59] actually more depth to the character like also they never mentioned her husband they never mentioned who

[00:48:04] the her son father was I thought that was amazing didn't need it at all maybe they might bring

[00:48:10] it in like bucking on murder 2 or 3 if it ever goes that far but I think it was a very

[00:48:15] interesting way of telling the story and can I also say like I was gonna watch like I said

[00:48:22] what was going to watch this last year at the BFI I'm glad I didn't because Johnny John also

[00:48:27] dropped last year remember I think having those movies together that close the might of hurt

[00:48:34] bucking on murders a little bit more because it's both both these declam Karinas and it's

[00:48:42] in a way good that they've been spread out a little bit and especially when there's that club song

[00:48:49] sadda sadda yeah it's such a good body so good man Valisa goes back to him yeah he did that song

[00:48:57] yeah I'm telling you the 90s man like for me you're good music was we knew what

[00:49:04] like people look like yeah I've listened to it at least 10 times already to this that's so good

[00:49:10] but that song really reminded me of the Karo okay song in Johnny John like the way it's that moment

[00:49:16] one moment where Karina Kapoor's character lets loose she dances she's having fun for a second

[00:49:22] and I think it's good that we had a bit of space between those releases because it might have

[00:49:28] hurt them and you know the way Indian media can be about certain things and it would have locked

[00:49:33] Karina Kapoor maybe in one way or the other way and I think she's unlockable man she's like a super star

[00:49:39] man she's amazing in this speaking of what you've said about the lack of representation or lack

[00:49:47] talking about diversity by now talking about it the guy who plays the the D.I. his name is

[00:49:56] asked and then and he's done like Coronation Street he's done Buckingham murder but he's also

[00:50:01] done a casualty and bodyguard I think and he's pretty much in that same role of the Indian guy in

[00:50:10] the former you know or the guy in the Indian family who's a doctor in the neighborhood or something

[00:50:14] like that it's yeah it's and what a good hire for him to be in this movie yeah and Keith Allen is

[00:50:23] in this to Lily Allen's father you know he plays an alphi Allen from Game of Thrones who was

[00:50:29] bringing us so that was also kind of funny to see what he's the commissioner the Miller yeah

[00:50:39] yeah what did you think of what do you think of it and we're brought in the season also playing

[00:50:44] so good my god he is so good he's absolutely wild and he is perfect in it but

[00:50:56] I was like yeah Abhi Tanduri Chicken when I was a boy I was a boy I also liked the fact

[00:51:06] that when he's actually a kill somebody he doesn't with a cooking partner this is my weapon of

[00:51:14] choice yeah what I really liked about it is the fact that Ranveer Braghard has this entire

[00:51:24] audience full of women and probably gameman for like oh I don't know but he's like they're all

[00:51:35] people come up to me and be like oh my god I love Ranveer Braghard I watch his videos all the time

[00:51:41] he's inspired me to cook because I love him name is one of the I said name who's been on the show

[00:51:47] before like name is one of them and he absolutely uses that capital to take his character here

[00:51:59] to all these like really low-down faces and in his scenes with Sarah Jane Diaz like

[00:52:09] who plays in Blani I just kept thinking of that you know like where he's just being like

[00:52:15] this love rap to borrow a Britishism and he's just like I don't even like I it's and that's

[00:52:25] one of the things that I'd make me like this movie a lot because I don't know like do I believe in

[00:52:31] Ranveer when she says that she's just a grief counselor or whatever you know bullshit next

[00:52:36] user she came up with like do I believe or like do I not like what is it because clearly his wife

[00:52:44] has a different perspective on it also that wife exactly exactly so it's because it

[00:52:56] Ranis says her pretty she's a psych of her yeah I find it interesting casting because

[00:53:06] I don't have friends that like Ranveer or know of him necessarily and I feel he's always had a very

[00:53:12] like a flash of creepiness in him like whatever I've seen him cook something like man this guy

[00:53:18] could kill somebody like there's something psychopathic in him especially when he flashes that

[00:53:22] weird smile that he does at the camera is like this is not a genuine smile these are my issues with men

[00:53:29] so I don't know I actually agree because like I am not of and like I like his cooking like

[00:53:38] I think he's a very talented chef but I don't I don't respond well to his brand of charm

[00:53:46] that's exactly yeah yeah it's a little too smarmy for me yeah exactly I mean if any skeletons

[00:53:52] fall out of the you know covered I would not be surprised yeah yeah I see yeah yeah healthy well

[00:54:01] he's talented

[00:54:06] but he's really good I know like yeah that he was you know like an actor trapped in that body but

[00:54:14] no he was also in the modern love stories and I saw people also praising where he's playing

[00:54:18] a game and actually if I'm not mistaken like you know one of those short stories and I was

[00:54:23] remembering the people I'd been praising his performance there too so it's cool that he's kind of

[00:54:27] leveling up from short story to proper like movie but not a big state was he also in

[00:54:36] wasn't he also in something else like that a Yushman Kurana movie or something like that I'm

[00:54:41] not mistaken I can't even think of something no I'm thinking of somebody else I'm thinking of somebody else

[00:54:45] yeah and he's got only two crits on his but it's good that he's kind of like taking an

[00:54:51] step if he does want to become an actor right that's kind of a good cool progression he's making

[00:54:57] yeah so do you remember what did you think of kind of just the yukis setting and like Kari

[00:55:02] 9 it one thing that we also noticed about Kari 9 this movie is that she has no repercussions or

[00:55:09] innovations like she's unhinged like she will beat up people as she pleases you know

[00:55:15] she does that twice in the witness room once and once against the DI and then

[00:55:24] Kari 9 was like yep yeah I'm a mucet upper man

[00:55:28] who is not even a top part man it's a full-out cross like she's a cross like a left cross right cross

[00:55:34] like it's a good punch man and she doesn't like a kind of food. If the yeah the

[00:55:40] the part where she slaps when we were like she goes like open handed like for attack that was

[00:55:47] a mognivala slap you know yeah yeah that was that was good I was like kink unlocked

[00:56:00] that will nicely go in my 97 fold

[00:56:05] Kari who's the man who killed the party

[00:56:10] good news

[00:56:12] the other thing was the whole yukis setting right so they say that the riot was caused by a cricket match

[00:56:18] to begin with and then they didn't never really then sort of address that after then then

[00:56:27] which happened which actually happened right already yeah it's actually happened here no idea

[00:56:33] and then the whole then it becomes about the the gurduara scene right that's the pretty much the

[00:56:41] only place where those tensions rise to like this could go somewhere but then that also gets

[00:56:48] it so I guess there's also the throwing bricks right and also just that visual of that street

[00:56:57] filled with you know far bricks everywhere I thought that was quite well done.

[00:57:04] I think what you're mentioning you know I think it's also just the constraint of the budget right like

[00:57:10] and it then goes back to this being basically a TV show right where you cannot put like a you

[00:57:16] know drone shot over the city where everybody's fighting each other and stuff like that so I think

[00:57:21] it's a very kind of even the gurduara scene it's shot very close to each other so you don't even

[00:57:26] know how many people there are there but it feels very overwhelming the way how many there and

[00:57:30] think that's very smart filmmaking in a way um that they're doing a lot with less but yeah I

[00:57:38] feel all of that was quite genuine again like there are like this simmering tensions although people

[00:57:45] still live close to each other and I think at the moment now we just have bigger monsters

[00:57:50] to fight in the UK than we do with each other but I think also I think we're lucky because we're you

[00:57:57] know snobbs in London you and we still are you know we don't live necessarily in those areas you

[00:58:02] know lester and Birmingham and stuff like that where a lot of these things are probably still happening

[00:58:06] but there's also a lot of just like communal harmony where people do get along together and there

[00:58:12] are kind of sense of you know we all look according you know at the end of the day but yeah I think

[00:58:17] it it kind of touches those things but it doesn't I think it's just that this happened a couple

[00:58:22] years ago and it's not necessarily relevant now now but it's definitely things that are

[00:58:28] exist in the UK. What did I have us? Yeah I don't know so

[00:58:41] I have a question would you like this story to be continued? Yes yes yeah hundred of

[00:58:50] streaming. Oh yeah but can I push back on that idea though like isn't it kind of sad that this needs

[00:59:00] to be on streaming though like it's it's like we all enjoy the movie right? But I think it's going to

[00:59:08] we are at that point in in the culture when going to the movies is for events it's not for

[00:59:21] these like very quiet meditative kind of experiences like I don't think I think we're already there

[00:59:28] and I think we have to just stop kidding ourselves but that's not where we are at all ready.

[00:59:35] Because it could be one of those like glass onion situations in a way right like where you

[00:59:40] have like release and theatres for a week or something like that and maybe it's not big enough

[00:59:44] you are right. Like glass onion is a but bigger budget kind of like all of these stars are there

[00:59:50] and stuff like that so it does make you want to go there and it's been a massive hit twice I don't

[00:59:55] think Buckingham murders is going to be some massive hit right but also I feel it's

[01:00:03] it's Karina not too big for streaming though in a way you know what I mean but then you know

[01:00:10] what was that? Janica. Janica that game directly to streaming is not right.

[01:00:19] I do feel somewhere when I was watching working on murders and especially because I sent you guys

[01:00:23] those clips from the binge list this one short episode I think with the Anupa Machopra and Karina

[01:00:31] safe interviewing each other together and she was asking like what do you guys watch together

[01:00:37] and she pretty much said you know mid summer murders and British murder things and is like

[01:00:44] voila Buckingham murders were made from that interview but it also just felt like a very

[01:00:50] safe Nikki at the moment we got to meet you know that kind of thing like or safe honey Khan might

[01:00:55] like this so it did have a little bit of that vibe but I don't know I don't like how would you

[01:01:02] do it on streaming though I don't want this to be like Jessica Fletcher murders wrote kind of thing

[01:01:07] you know that would be too small for Karina right that would be like you know that she just

[01:01:12] solving murders from town to town kind of thing. No if she actually did something like Grandchester

[01:01:17] or you know like what the day we can and yeah broad church or something like that I think

[01:01:24] like a limited series like the British model again so it's just you know like six episodes

[01:01:30] but each of those is like an hour long and it comes out every three years or something

[01:01:36] or like whenever you know they get fun things so it might be when like 10 years

[01:01:40] or not this Gillin and Jellin Anderson also have one yeah yeah she had it.

[01:01:47] That was a good one like yeah and had Jamie Dawn and I think it was good

[01:01:54] so yeah she does definitely a model it's just they need to be a little bit smarter about like how

[01:02:02] they want to build that. Yeah I don't know yeah I would go watch this in theatres like I

[01:02:09] like I really yeah. I would watch Karina and the theatre like no problem. No I'll definitely like if

[01:02:16] this becomes like a thing like every two three years she makes one of those movies whenever

[01:02:21] she's you know holidaying over the summer in London I would be up for it I would watch these like

[01:02:27] I think they're really really good yeah and get bodies are good to do a song every time

[01:02:32] make her dance in a cup for you. I did like also a little aside she had the Katrina

[01:02:41] KF fitur hair color going on. As it was so observant of that like the moment she appeared and

[01:02:50] she was like so joy. She's got the fitur hair.

[01:02:59] I know my audience I know so joy has missed me and these these kind of comments

[01:03:04] so I make them to him when he's accepting next to me. Yeah no I'm still riding the high

[01:03:13] of the 97 way you. I think it's kind of a recommend from all of us right but some

[01:03:23] of you are saying people can wait for streaming. Yeah I don't know.

[01:03:30] I say go watch this movie I would say I will be like if you can go watch this in theatres I think

[01:03:36] it's a worthwhile thing and it's quite fun I think I had a really really good time. I even thought

[01:03:42] I do agree with you that you can kind of figure out who it will be but I still think it's a

[01:03:53] lot of these to enjoy do we watch a lot of these. But I think for the audience it's in tenement maybe

[01:03:58] they have not watched or are these so I think it's still might be like a surprise to you where

[01:04:03] it kind of is. Also with genre shows like this there are a ward of watching this show is not

[01:04:10] in the finding of the it's the story right it's the world story yeah and I think that could

[01:04:16] well done yeah sorry. I will say that you know like if they need to basically decide

[01:04:24] which board their end so if they've decided that they're going to go with a big screen strategy

[01:04:29] then I agree with Amir Khan who this week has been talking again about like how we need to increase

[01:04:37] the window for theatre releases and I agree with him like the moment I sit down and especially

[01:04:44] for a movie like this which is like a mid-range movie budget wise if I sit down and the first thing

[01:04:53] I see is like streaming partner Netflix and like well why did I just spend that much money on

[01:04:59] a ticket on popcorn on drinks when I could have just washed it at home on a subscription that I already

[01:05:06] pay. So I do think that even if you are cracking those deals before the release of the film

[01:05:14] maybe you don't need to advertise it. I agree yeah that's 100% sure like streaming partner

[01:05:23] Amazon and stuff right out and thicknessed it's needed. And that's really a relic of the of like

[01:05:29] from 10 to 20 years ago when you know they needed that publicity like you know these streaming partners

[01:05:35] the music companies they all needed the the publicity boost that they would get from being on

[01:05:42] credit list but who doesn't know what Netflix is or what Amazon is or like you know like doesn't

[01:05:50] look up what is coming out on Netflix or Amazon on Twitter or Google um it's not it's not like

[01:05:58] they would never find out if you know like this movie came out on Netflix so that really isn't any

[01:06:05] reason why we need that. Well maybe they're getting a pre-sale or a production budget or something like

[01:06:11] that from so it becomes kind of a requirement. But I'm also like thinking you know it works when

[01:06:16] you're doing you know Amazon or Prime or even Z but imagine they have to be releasing soon on Shima Rulive

[01:06:24] you know like that don't run me like I do like think yeah yeah I think I enjoyed it and

[01:06:34] I get like what you're saying that when it appears it kind of pisses me off too but the movie was

[01:06:41] this good that I actually really appreciated so this was this was actually good one and funny enough

[01:06:45] I was watching reading and listening to an interview about rebel rage that movie that came out on

[01:06:52] Netflix which is great people should watch rebel rage on Netflix absolutely but one of the people on

[01:06:58] the podcast said you know like the thing is the reality is that more much many more people will

[01:07:05] have watched rebel rage because it came on Netflix and they would ever have always out on theaters

[01:07:10] and that is true too so and I maybe that would have that was the case for Johnny you know a lot

[01:07:16] more people watched it because it was in streaming straightaway then it was compared to what

[01:07:22] Buckingham murders will be in theaters now so I think it's kind of a good litmus test in a way that

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