Ep 229- Chamkila and Bade Miyan Chote Miyan Reviews

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[00:00:49] Yes, actually. Hi and welcome to a new episode of Khandaan Podcast. My name is Asim

[00:00:57] Burney and I'm Sujoy. Hey people, hello. Hello.

[00:01:06] And we have our good friend Pulkit Kocher here with us. Hey Pulkit, it's been too long.

[00:01:11] Hello, hello. I know right. The last time we did it was pandemic I think and my

[00:01:15] dad was at home. It's a memory and I was on the floor and nobody was up there recording.

[00:01:26] They have to tell because I'm from Punjab. This was Bhatinda. Exactly Bhatinda.

[00:01:32] I'm not kidding. My dad lives in Bhatinda so two hours they were like,

[00:01:36] What's going on? But yeah, it's been long. I mean Mumbai now. How is your aunt?

[00:01:41] How has she since then? Oh, she's great. Her son is married. So very nice number.

[00:01:50] I haven't given my parents the case yet but yeah. All these nuggets of side quest information

[00:01:58] right Pulkit Chhattabad, he's podcasting. This is why people tune in you know.

[00:02:06] Love it. But now I'm in Mumbai. I don't need to. I just told my flatmate that I'm doing podcast

[00:02:13] and he understood that he doesn't have to come for an hour. I mean this is part of your life

[00:02:17] in Mumbai right? You do podcasting. I know why somebody somewhere is doing a podcast right?

[00:02:27] I think we just made the same joke at the same time and then we talked over each other.

[00:02:31] Pulkit, the last time you were here we talked about why I did it right?

[00:02:36] If I remember correctly. Yes, yes, yes. We sang the background music of every character I remember

[00:02:41] that and you did an impression of Kamal Khan. I will not be doing it. That's one for the ages.

[00:02:48] Any impressions today of Amar Jyot or Amar Singh Chamkeela?

[00:02:52] That's why Pulkit is here. He's here to do the impressions right? On this episode we are

[00:02:57] talking about Chamkeela the new movie by Imtiaz Ali that's dropped on Netflix and afterwards

[00:03:02] we're going to be doing it but Pulkit probably won't be joining her for that because he's a

[00:03:06] smart person who did not watch that movie and Amrita is also a smart person. Only me and Sujaya

[00:03:13] get roped into this every time. We think that the world is going to change and then Akshay

[00:03:22] disappoints us all over again. Yeah, we'll talk about it when we talk about it. Let's

[00:03:26] get into Chamkeela first though. You've been working with the movie, right? With the release

[00:03:37] of the movie. Why I wanted you on the podcast is because this is also shot in your neighborhood

[00:03:44] right where you live, where you kind of grew up. So I wanted to ask you like because I never

[00:03:49] heard of Chamkeela ever before this movie's the promotional campaign started. So I wanted to see

[00:03:55] who is Chamkeela? What does he mean for you in your region, in your neighborhood?

[00:04:02] So I'll be honest, in childhood, we've heard a lot of versions of the songs of Chamkeela.

[00:04:09] So he set the template for Punjabi songs. So for someone who's not Punjabi or even for

[00:04:14] who's Punjabi they would listen to a lot of songs 10 years apart and it feels like

[00:04:19] that's why a lot of Punjabi songs are instant hits. But a lot of songs, Chamkeela was the one who

[00:04:26] set the template for it like all Tumbi based songs and it's not like his people didn't do it.

[00:04:33] But he's the one who set template just said I made a reel where I pointed out some five songs only

[00:04:38] in the last 20 years with Diljit's song 2014 which is based on his song. So he

[00:04:44] in childhood we heard the name of Chamkeela but we only knew so much that he was a very

[00:04:48] strange person. I had heard rumors like this that he does naked on stage also.

[00:04:55] I had heard it but then I realized it's exaggeration but he sang vulgar songs and that's why nobody

[00:05:01] talks about him. But the song called Pelle L Karinal Ma Dhargi which is going viral on Instagram

[00:05:07] like the one from Teda's Aeroel Space. And I'm like this is something I've heard growing up so much

[00:05:15] I didn't know it's Chamkeela and last year because I'm from Punjab I was approached to do help in

[00:05:21] the marketing of Chamkeela because I have insights like I can tell this later also but there's a

[00:05:28] story about my dad attending a Chamkeela akhada. So I can tell it right now.

[00:05:34] I'd love to hear about it. So my dad was 17 this is 1988 the same year Chamkeela passed away

[00:05:44] like he was killed. My dad so we are from Jethu which is Bhatinda 30 kilometers

[00:05:50] far. Bhatinda you all know because of Filtiaz again but Jethu to Bhatinda there are two

[00:05:56] villages. One of them is so small that all the houses are on the road literally from where the bus

[00:06:02] passes. So papa was saying we were going 5 kilometers away from our house.

[00:06:06] There was a bus stop and on the bus stand he was doing an akhada. So there were no concerts

[00:06:12] as you might see in the film there are akhadas open spaces I still don't know how who pays but

[00:06:18] he was singing on a bus stand and he was doing this this like he was doing a hand action which

[00:06:25] Diljit has really like he has grasped it really well because my papa

[00:06:33] he's like I just saw the video and it reminded me of when I saw Chamkeela. I'm like wait you saw

[00:06:37] Chamkeela like where so days before he passed because so my dad was like our bus stop

[00:06:46] 20 minutes and no passenger complained because everybody started listening to Chamkeela. So 20

[00:06:52] minutes later they you know the bus went to Bhatinda again but yeah my dad was like that was his aura

[00:07:02] like they say obviously people have time to stop anywhere to you know see something around them

[00:07:08] they're always in their phone anyway but that was that was the aura of Chamkeela

[00:07:15] on a bus stand he was entertaining people by just singing alone standing there.

[00:07:20] So is there then also this factor of approach ability that he was literally like you know

[00:07:27] singing on bus stands in these villages and it was such proximity to it. Is there like you know

[00:07:34] was there more like like was there a lot of hope for this movie like because they made Jodi right

[00:07:40] and it was kind of I don't know if you saw Jodi but apparently was like similar themes but

[00:07:44] would change names right. So Chamkeela's family never gave rights of his life to anyone but

[00:07:52] so that's the reason Jodi was inspired but it was like a lot of people knew it's based on

[00:07:58] Chamkeela but it's not the exact story also Imtiaz brought some great insights which

[00:08:03] were not in Jodi this is what Diljit tells in interviews that he thought he was the person

[00:08:09] who knew the most about Chamkeela until Imtiaz. Interesting. There are little little details

[00:08:21] it's the biggest place which you know it's a biggest provider for mics all over Punjab

[00:08:27] mics and sound systems there's one person called Tari Jeto Wala his son does the same business now

[00:08:33] so when I was watching the movie I saw mic pe Punjabi milikha hua Jeto wala ya I was so

[00:08:38] like I was so happy to just see the name of my hometown in an Imtiaz Ali film on a mic and the most

[00:08:44] of the movie is their stage performances and most of the mics are Jeto wala ya so I was like what is

[00:08:50] like why is my hometown's name on a mic so I realized that Jeto Wala my dad even went and met

[00:08:56] my dad is damn fascinated jabsay movie hai he went and met that mic wala ki family they told stories

[00:09:02] the day he died the next day was supposed to perform at their place for a wedding

[00:09:07] so it's obvious so there are great great stories that I got to know after this movie

[00:09:13] matlab nobody was intrigued from our generation to know more about Chamkeela but we all had

[00:09:19] heard the sound of Chamkeela for sure. So he's not from your town but he's like from that

[00:09:29] general area so Punjab is like five regions our region is Malwa so Malwa me Patinda bhi ata

[00:09:35] aur Jeto bhi ata so he's not from our region but every time he performed in our region he would stay

[00:09:41] in Jeto from where I am in there like the mic wala ke ghar pe to the fact that there's a song

[00:09:48] jisme he has given a shout out to that mic wala like there are lyrics tari jeto wala

[00:09:53] he sings this and well you know how all these rappers say

[00:10:13] so that's what Chamkeela did like he was a shout out to a sound system love the detail

[00:10:24] no I know this is this is a very Punjabi story right like uh uh Chamkeela's life the way that he

[00:10:33] sang even the songs like you know of course in the movie the music is by Rehman and the

[00:10:39] lyrics are by Ishaat Kamil but they're very much based on from what I understand and

[00:10:44] correct me if I'm wrong but um it's very much based on like the kind of songs that

[00:10:49] Chamkeela wrote and like Phuket says you know like he basically wrote these templates for what

[00:10:54] Punjabi songs like folk songs became so this is like uh like I had no cultural um knowledge of

[00:11:05] like for example the akhadas you know like I had no idea that that was how they used to have

[00:11:11] stage performances in Punjab um but the stories like you know the the way that his the things that he

[00:11:20] was singing about the uh the way it was received uh the spaces in which those songs entered um and

[00:11:30] also the way that he you know like there's like there's a lot of like cast based stuff in the

[00:11:37] films for example you know where they talk about like what it means for him to be a chamar um I didn't

[00:11:44] have that uh that context before I saw the movie for example right like I had no idea um and then uh

[00:11:52] you know the way that he died and the fact that you know they were they thought that it might be

[00:11:58] militants but then also like and this we're going to have this pretty spoilery so for people who

[00:12:04] are listening right now if you haven't watched it you might be watching it this is a good time for

[00:12:09] you to go away because I'm gonna get really spoilery um but the you know the point in the movie where

[00:12:16] we find out that he was actually married before and those deep desert like in such a fantastic way

[00:12:27] like I was just like what where does that even come from you know like that just absolutely blew my

[00:12:35] mind like it's just little things it's the storytelling but also the story itself um I think like um if I

[00:12:42] didn't like you know like Kulkit had his dad and I absolutely understand why his dad is obsessed

[00:12:48] with the movie because if this movie came out about something that I grew up around and that

[00:12:53] I basically watched it a very seminal point in my life even I would be completely obsessed with it um

[00:12:59] but uh this is like yeah this is a very Punjabi story so it's not something that I grew up around

[00:13:05] or I was familiar with um Sujoy did Chamkeela's voice reach you no unfortunately like um I grew

[00:13:14] up in the northeast part of India and the only sort of exposure to Punjabi culture or

[00:13:20] anything to do with Punjab in the early days in the 80s at least was through Durdarshan and the only

[00:13:26] voice that came through was Gurdasman and Dil da mamla hai you know uh that that was the big big

[00:13:32] Punjabi hit and probably the only hit until Bolo Tarara came with Dalai Rambendi in the 90s you

[00:13:38] know that was the long gap or the bits of Punjabi dance or music that you saw in Melesur

[00:13:45] or whatever national integration show reel that Durdarshan was making back in the day so Gurdasman

[00:13:51] was the beginning point of anything to do with Punjabi culture for me so I think Chamkeela came

[00:13:57] before Gurdasman and Gurdasman debuted in 88 ish with Dil da mamla hai and that was his big shot

[00:14:04] to like you know stardom and stuff and probably would you say Pulkit Gurdasman is a bigger star in Punjab

[00:14:14] so I think the thing is Chamkeela was niche but he was hugely popular in that niche itself like

[00:14:22] Punjabi regions like Gurdasman was big in cities and villages but I think Chamkeela was heard by way

[00:14:31] more people even in the limited resources they have like cassettes like they mentioned it in

[00:14:37] the trailer slates also he was yeah the artist who sold the most the series in 80s and they were blacked

[00:14:47] like how Amitabh Bachchan used to be blacked in the 80s or 70s that's the example they

[00:14:52] give in the movie also constant comparison actually he was a fan of Amitabh Bachchan also

[00:14:57] this so but the thing is Gurdasman became big in 90s by the time Chamkeela had passed away

[00:15:05] so because I am the born in 95 so I don't have exact measures to see who was a bigger hit

[00:15:12] but I think Gurdasman was more publicly yeah he's very Dutasan friendly also right

[00:15:21] Dutasan friendly also and also like discussion friendly like you would accept that you

[00:15:26] wear his songs in public but Chamkeela songs is the I'm like not a very valid comparison but

[00:15:33] when we were when I was in my teens yeah honey sing songs were like the best for us like

[00:15:46] and this is speed records and so for us for example the

[00:15:54] Anger easy beat I remember I heard it in the school bus for the first time and we were

[00:15:58] the whole bus was like let's repeat it but now that I listen to those lyrics those are

[00:16:02] up they are objectifying women and you know all of that but if someone plays it in a party I

[00:16:08] would still dance on it knowing it's a problematic lyrics because I'm like okay but there's so

[00:16:15] much nostalgia now like it's like

[00:16:22] music and the lyrics on screen when this movie plays right the the double on tondras yeah it's sort of

[00:16:28] reminded me of like you know uh

[00:16:34] it's that level of uh naughtiness and staunchiness that's uh trying to do away with lyricism but

[00:16:41] the underlying meaning is very naughty for sure I mean yeah I think your main question

[00:16:50] was just started when Chamkeela passed away in late 80s so it's very hard to do a comparison

[00:16:57] but I think Chamkeela was a bigger hit in whatever area he was listened but Gurdasman was

[00:17:06] sanitized like he feels like Chamkeela laid the groundwork and then Gurdasman

[00:17:12] sanitized it and then become popular he sang about Punjabi culture like you know

[00:17:17] and

[00:17:20] and Chamkeela sang about the fantasies of people living in those small towns and villages

[00:17:27] so those fantasies are very hidden so that's why people won't listen to Chamkeela openly

[00:17:32] so you would you would never know by word of mouth if he's big or not but you would know

[00:17:36] by records like how like big he was in the sales of those CDs right till now I think they

[00:17:43] kind of with that a little bit in the movie too like when the cop is saying you know like I don't

[00:17:47] of course I don't listen to his lyrics and then when he opens the trunk the cassettes are there you

[00:17:52] know yeah and the biggest thing is the the police who's listening to this story the whole movie it's

[00:17:59] a flashback right the whole the whole movie is missing Chamkeela that I don't listen to

[00:18:06] after the funeral they show him that he's sad too as a fan

[00:18:13] so yeah I think that's the gist of it people were not accepting it in public that's what let's get

[00:18:19] into the movie a little bit then specifically um let's start with you Sujoy because I want to come

[00:18:24] back to pulki then because I think he'll have the most complete answer uh what did you think of

[00:18:30] what did you think of Chamkeela and how does it rank in your um Imtiaz Ali kind of ranking

[00:18:36] because I think some of us were worried that we kind of lost Imtiaz as a filmmaker especially

[00:18:42] with the last few he did you know uh do you think he's come back I mean uh considering his last movie

[00:18:49] was what love us and then he had when Harry no oh did that come oh yeah that came out of let me

[00:18:59] let me just check so love us or two or was before this and then I harry met sajal and then before

[00:19:05] that was tamasha which people consider to be like probably the last big Imtiaz Ali movie right um I

[00:19:14] like in retrospect I really liked tamasha but I did I like I the more time I've spent after

[00:19:21] the movie I don't necessarily gravitate towards the themes that it was trying to say anyway

[00:19:26] coming back to Chamkeela I think it's like it's refreshing to see Imtiaz Ali do things with

[00:19:32] this movie where he's so confident in his storytelling right the swings that he's taken in this movie are

[00:19:37] excellent I enjoy that for him the creativity that's on display the the the flair of direction

[00:19:44] the way of storytelling and like he's very confident in this story uh and like the the actors that

[00:19:51] are involved in this movie are are absolutely great um but having said that I don't know like I

[00:19:59] have mixed feelings about this movie like I I thoroughly enjoyed while watching it but

[00:20:03] but there's so much more to this movie than just a movie uh that's why I don't know if um

[00:20:12] how it ranks in Imtiaz's filmography I think like Jab Jab we met is still my number one

[00:20:20] because it's such a fun movie that I go back to every single time I'm feeling lower are like

[00:20:26] even if I watch a 15 minute scene or with Geet and Aditya or even with that

[00:20:37] with Anshuman um but like uh Jab we met probably Rockstar is there somehow somewhere and highway

[00:20:46] is there maybe after that Chamkeela so it's kind of come up in the bottom like high in the bottom

[00:20:53] for you yeah Amrita what about you um to me I feel like this is the movie that Imtiaz has been

[00:21:01] trying to make for a very long time like it feels like you know like whether it's the Masha where you

[00:21:06] have like the artist and you know the the the tortured artist who is trying to express himself

[00:21:13] and finds the world standing against him uh whether it's Rockstar who's like the defined

[00:21:19] artist who is um uh who has adulation but like you know feels hollow inside whether it is even

[00:21:29] Jab had him at Seja you know like had he is a Punjabi folk singer uh a frustrated one you know and

[00:21:36] his uh his happy ever after is basically finding a girl who will help support him to like become

[00:21:45] that Punjabi folk singer basically um and that's literally the story of Amritsingh

[00:21:52] Chamkeela you know like here's this guy who wants to sing Punjabi folk songs and is really good at it

[00:21:58] and he sees a lot of flag for it and then he meets this woman who like Ebsom achieve all

[00:22:03] his dreams and he wants to be with her no matter what stands in their way um

[00:22:09] and then at the end you know it's a tragic tale of like personal personal ambition and artistic freedom

[00:22:17] that is uh cruelly um adoused by a society that doesn't really respected um so these are all like

[00:22:28] things that i've seen a million times in like in the Azali movies that especially over the past

[00:22:33] 10 years i feel and i feel like in this is probably the story that he was building up to or perhaps

[00:22:40] the story that he had in the back of his mind uh because you don't come up with this level of detail

[00:22:47] you know what Kirti was saying earlier about how Biljit thought that he knew everything about

[00:22:51] Chamkeela and then he met Impyas and Impyas knew even more that's for the kind of background

[00:22:57] detail that you can come up with uh by sitting down and studying a subject for a year that is

[00:23:03] something that you obsess over for years on end that is something that you love that you go back to

[00:23:09] over and over again um and that is like uh you know this is the kind of stand uh knowledge

[00:23:17] that only comes from a very genuine place and Impyas is also being very clear like you know he said

[00:23:24] this for a long time that because people have been asking him for a long time like i think all

[00:23:28] the way back to uh jubby matt you know like why is there so much like Punjabi in your films and he's

[00:23:35] like i just like it i like the people i like the music i like everything about it um and that's

[00:23:41] what i want to show in my in my films like it's something that i enjoy personally and i think this

[00:23:47] is basically yeah i can see that it's a passion project and i love passion projects even if i

[00:23:54] don't particularly like them i really enjoy passion projects because god knows like i just

[00:23:59] want to see people who care about something uh it's just a bonus for me that i really thought

[00:24:04] that chimp keela was a good movie i thought that um i know people have been talking about

[00:24:08] like how it's to chaotic blah blah and i see what their point but i enjoyed it it was like a

[00:24:13] good time and it was a subject that i didn't know much of before and i feel like uh pulkit what

[00:24:19] about you and one question i want to ask you because this is something that i've seen a few people ask

[00:24:26] would you have liked this movie better if it was in panjabi not personally

[00:24:30] much love uh i don't have a preference like that because i am a bollywood fan and i've

[00:24:34] grown up watching hindi films so it was it's great representation that's what matters to me

[00:24:40] because growing up all the panjabi people were only for humor in a hindi film like so that's

[00:24:47] a great i think that's what imtiaz has went away from even though jabbi met still had some elements

[00:24:53] of pure lassi below that's also true i mean but but i'm thinking while i'm saying that pulkit

[00:25:07] said lassi and his mind went actually i would like some lassi

[00:25:25] going back to the wow so no i think i didn't mind it because his singing parts were in panjabi

[00:25:32] so that would have been like worse because i see so many panjabi songs written in hindi

[00:25:38] with so many karthikarayan movies long lachi is the biggest indian

[00:25:44] okay and it has more first hindi songs to cross one billion on youtube long lachi so t3 like let's

[00:25:50] remake it and the hindi one is so bad the lyrics like things as a panjabi that i'm glad they didn't

[00:25:58] change the songs also there are some small things that are exactly in panjabi they haven't translated

[00:26:07] into hindi because they assumed that so many panjabi audience has come through songs or something so

[00:26:13] there's one scene that starts with diljeet calling his friend it's a passing thing what he's saying is

[00:26:21] he's saying that you don't know every moment because some guy is saying that i look like i'm sitting

[00:26:29] in front of a car while sitting behind so there are little touches which are still in panjabi

[00:26:36] like even if people are speaking in hindi their tone is still how they would speak panjabi because

[00:26:42] the actors are panjabi and they all have seen hindi films enough to know hindi like i was saying

[00:26:49] i was i was tipsy yesterday so i was gonna say so i was thinking in english and i realized

[00:26:55] how far i've come because when i was new in mumbai i would think in panjabi but still i was

[00:27:01] comfortable in hindi growing up in panjab because school me hindi bholanize compulsory like

[00:27:07] english is fine one compulsory so i think panjabis in their school times speak a lot of hindi

[00:27:15] and you know they grow up on hindi films and hindi songs i think that's fine for me that's not a

[00:27:20] problem that i've felt honestly no no no i'm interested in that perspective because it's

[00:27:25] something that i heard a lot of people say and they also said you know also rahman is not panjabi

[00:27:31] in tiaz is not panjabi and it's losing some of its flavor and representation because of that so i

[00:27:37] kind of wanted to get your you know your uh your perspective on it you know and i agree with

[00:27:42] you about you know but if you listen to rangde basanti this soundtrack it's uh like the i'm not even

[00:27:52] talking about the main main songs like you know rangde basanti title song i'm talking about this

[00:27:57] ekom kar this composition is by rahman if you listen to it you will think that someone in a

[00:28:04] gurudwara is playing it and not a music director chennai like so i think he adapts really well so

[00:28:13] and what amrit was saying is also like the songs in the album are about chamkeela

[00:28:19] and because it's the introduction song where people are talking to camera talking about chamkeela

[00:28:28] so in that conversation they're also speaking about the lyrics he had so they have

[00:28:33] rhymed it and made it like that but i don't think that's a problem at all i mean rahman so i would say

[00:28:39] understands the culture really well um like as a panjabi i can assure you i mean

[00:28:45] rahman went to the 1800s and composed music for laghan so what did you think of the movie

[00:28:52] so yeah i i really like it i mean i cried at menu vidha karo the when diljeet is looking

[00:28:59] into the camera and the lyrics are mera aur rahne kaman tha yahape so that's the heart breaking lyrics

[00:29:07] by rishad and arijit they kept arijit for the last like i love that but i really liked it i might be

[00:29:14] biased because i watched it in december for the marketing but it was a rough cut and i i really

[00:29:21] liked it and i'm like am i liking this because i'm attached to this or is it so i would wait

[00:29:26] i'm like let's wait for so i didn't tell anyone how i liked it or something also nda i couldn't tell

[00:29:31] a lot so about the movie i couldn't talk at that point so i really liked it i think

[00:29:43] maybe second half there are some points where i would find things repetitive but like singing

[00:29:49] shots or something but i think when i when i watched it the second time i really liked that

[00:29:56] like the bol muhabbat sceneila that portion of the movie where he's shown to be a fearless man

[00:30:03] i think it was important for the arc to show that part of him kio he's nearing his end and stuff

[00:30:10] so because we all know like amrita was saying we are giving spoilers but then i like everybody

[00:30:14] it's a biography right like there's no but but the wife thing again i think

[00:30:22] it was handled pretty well diljeet's charm helps a lot in the whole movie i think

[00:30:28] because we might not have seen chamkila but we have seen chham seen diljeet performing on stage

[00:30:34] and he's a charming person to be on stage so he makes the repetitive stage performances

[00:30:41] not boring matlab he makes it interesting so i think that's what helped also i like the music

[00:30:47] the lyrics i love it more than the music i would say like the lyrics of how they describe chamkila

[00:30:53] or what he's thinking yeah there's nothing i really didn't like matlab at this point i would

[00:30:58] be just pointing out like the main i would say main criticism i've heard from people is

[00:31:05] that they didn't talk much about his cast though when i honestly when i saw it i was surprised

[00:31:10] to see even a conversation about cast in an imtiazali film which is mostly about the

[00:31:15] soofiness of the characters like you know their interpersonal relationships so i was surprised

[00:31:22] to see that it's a thing they have discussed also but a lot of people say one theory is he was killed

[00:31:28] because of his cast also a lot of people say that like because it's it's never clear

[00:31:33] why he was killed or who killed him so there are theories that the amarjot is from a different

[00:31:40] cast so when they got married that only then he started getting the threats because like they show

[00:31:47] in the movie a lot of other singers also sing vulgar songs but another argument against it is that

[00:31:54] there was no reason for people to get angry if someone is not popular only like

[00:32:02] like

[00:32:14] i think people didn't like the animation part also from what i read

[00:32:18] i like that i like that a lot actually that part i like that too i like i like

[00:32:23] maybe some parts i think they could have like made it less but i think why people thought it was

[00:32:29] too much because it's all in second half first have first half

[00:32:35] it comes together like

[00:32:41] i really like it like the ufo effect of it i love the depiction of it like

[00:32:46] in less words in less scenes how do you show that his cassette is going around in villages

[00:32:51] and black so i like the animation part also yeah overall i think

[00:32:56] it's also like depicting a larger than life version of chamkilla right it's the myth and the

[00:33:02] legend of chamkilla being depicted through these hearsay stories and that's why the

[00:33:10] the story or the narration feels a bit chaotic because it's the spoken word from all these people

[00:33:15] who have lived with chamkilla and their versions of what they understood the legend of chamkilla

[00:33:23] was and that's why you don't get to see aspects of chamkilla's life right it's such a large life

[00:33:30] that he lived within those 27 28 years of his life but it's condensed to that story of two and a half

[00:33:37] hours through the stories that we hear from these people who lived their lives alongside the legend

[00:33:42] it's all versions of it yeah you're right you know Imtiaz has interviewed a lot of people

[00:33:47] and he said that a lot of people would lie just so that their part of story stays in the film

[00:33:52] so he wouldn't tell you them after a week to check if they still say the same thing

[00:33:57] he's like mental notes he made mental notes and

[00:34:02] this one character called

[00:34:06] so his username is takan okay and he's in the movie very very slight you would say for example

[00:34:13] when his bookings start, he tells him that there's a call coming from the shop

[00:34:19] that's the guy dhakkan you won't see him enough in the film but whenever seeing the credits

[00:34:24] he said special thanks to dhakkan so dhakkan is the guy who was there to witness all of it

[00:34:29] his downfall his fight with tiki and all of it so i think it's one of their versions for example

[00:34:35] the tiki character said in real life said this to Imtiaz that he's a badua because

[00:34:41] you see that scene in the film he said

[00:34:44] when he doesn't take him to canada so he actually says

[00:34:52] and so these are the things he's kept in the movie because that character still isn't regret and

[00:35:03] when he when he smokes that bd in front of you know the religious people

[00:35:09] after that he's walking to his hotel room in full swag so

[00:35:15] one person is just staring at him so that person actually stopped working with him in that point

[00:35:20] because he was scared for his life so he told him tiaz in in exact these words

[00:35:30] so i love these versions and and love how

[00:35:33] imtiaz started making this movie like it's his theory on what to see he's seeking you roomy court he

[00:35:41] he put it in the harry matt sagesle poster also i think that's what once he started making a movie

[00:35:46] on chamkeela people came to him like people went with their wedding cassettes which chamkeela

[00:35:51] has performed and those are the footage as he watched first study eventually because

[00:35:57] it was

[00:36:00] personal function

[00:36:03] so yeah those are i think great things in tiaz as researched but i would quickly give my ranking

[00:36:08] sorry i spoke a lot and i would quickly give my ranking for me rockstar is his best and second

[00:36:15] is jabbi met tamasha was the third for me very personal reasons because i was just coming out of

[00:36:21] college thinking what to do so it was three years motivation for me

[00:36:31] i remember it was a flop because it was so jarring the whole non-linear thing but third was for that

[00:36:39] for me now i think chamkeela is third for me it's way more mature than tamasha it says things

[00:36:46] very like in a better way in a clearer way than tamasha i would say that's why i think tamasha

[00:36:55] it has gone through a journey it was underrated then it now it's overrated because so many

[00:37:01] people but i'm glad uh chamkeela at least is being discussed when it released and not five years

[00:37:07] later nice this is for me this is a month i appreciate it i see the art in it

[00:37:17] i think a lot of the points that amrita was also saying i can clearly see the passion i see the

[00:37:24] growth in filmmaking at once is man like the jeet and even periniti i'm so happy for periniti

[00:37:30] we haven't talked about it too much but i'm so happy i don't think it's necessarily an

[00:37:35] amazing performance because i i don't i feel the character is underwritten to be honest i don't feel

[00:37:40] they give amarjot enough and what the jori perspective says is it's a jori i don't feel in this this is

[00:37:47] the only chamkeela movie and the character amarjot does not have much to do but i've seen craving

[00:37:54] some love audience and seeing reactions or reels and her i thought we'd lost kind of um

[00:38:01] um so yeah i was saying that i was worried that we'd lost this amazing tax she's back um

[00:38:08] what i do find a problem with imtiaz's movie and i think all of us are mentioning tamasha

[00:38:15] and i think tamasha is kind of the kind of the connection with this movie he's trying to

[00:38:20] say with chamkeela he's raised i don't know what what i should take out of at the end of the

[00:38:27] movie you know i'm also listening like because i don't understand punjabi this type of punjabi and i

[00:38:33] think a lot of you know even people that understand a little bit of punjabi we said you understand

[00:38:38] all the nuances of the language spoken here so i had to kind of go back what's going on i

[00:38:45] watched this amazing video essay by pakistani essay sabahat and she was also saying you know

[00:38:51] like the chamkeela character has been sanitized like a mix that literally almost about assault

[00:38:57] about rape and all of this has been kind of clear cleaned up to make diljeet friendly version of

[00:39:04] chamkeela and that kind of because i thought something was missing like some namak was missing

[00:39:09] in the and that kind of like connected a few things for me that i think because you're talking

[00:39:15] about such generality like you know like somebody and you know this thing was happening in panjab

[00:39:22] and like you know it's never really you know dug into i feel the movie lacks a bit of punch and

[00:39:31] just misses a bit of clarity for me i think that's the problem i also have with tamash and i

[00:39:35] i have the same thing with chamkeela i do appreciate art i appreciate what they're making i think

[00:39:42] also it just because it's sub i feel a lot of time biography is not a genre of making that i enjoy

[00:39:48] unless you really like the actor or you really like the subject here the subject i didn't know

[00:39:54] so it wasn't even i felt the movie didn't even give me a full picture of who this person was

[00:40:00] but i really like diljeet i really think he's great in it and i appreciate the filmmaking i love

[00:40:06] the music okay so i have a bit of a pushback to what you're saying awesome um unless you have

[00:40:14] like other thoughts you want to share no okay good because i can't hear you again um

[00:40:23] so i uh i think what you were saying that you know like um i like i i share your um you know your

[00:40:39] ambivalence towards biographies like it's not my favorite genre of movies and i think one of the

[00:40:46] reasons why i have a problem with biographies is because it's such static filmmaking you know

[00:40:52] there's this person and we are just going to and it's very linear it's like you know like

[00:40:56] this person was born this person did stuff this person died hooray that's the movie um and i think

[00:41:04] why i like chumkila so much is what sucharita calls the chaotic nature of this movie right like

[00:41:15] there's just so much stuff happening uh the way the narrative you know straight up lies to you

[00:41:23] as the viewer you know whether it's about like his previous marriage or the fact that the the

[00:41:28] tani that uh is his big fan like all those things like it's lying to you it's misdirecting you

[00:41:36] it builds up tension in like places that are very unexpected like when the the brother finds

[00:41:43] the door closed and chumkila and amal jyotar inside the room and he can't hear anything

[00:41:48] and you absolutely are waiting for it to become a thing and then it absolutely does not become

[00:41:55] a thing and you're just like okay so this is a very interesting narrative uh strategy that

[00:42:01] impias is following here um it's just i one of the reasons why i really enjoyed this film i think

[00:42:08] is because i can just feel impias having fun as he's building the story uh he's experimenting with

[00:42:15] things he's throwing things at the screen that maybe he wouldn't have if this was a regular

[00:42:22] cinematic uh or theatrical release uh and i enjoy i enjoy that you know like i it's a

[00:42:29] very infectious energy to this film that i particularly enjoyed i think which is not

[00:42:35] the case for tamasha um uh no offense to the people who loved it including pulket but like

[00:42:43] tamasha for me is just uh you know it's not just that i mean it's just so i don't know like it's

[00:42:52] just so pretentious to me somehow you know there's just like this is man and he's like

[00:42:57] tortured by his art to a point of insanity and then this woman that like comes and like

[00:43:03] falls in love with him and uh she like would do anything for him like it's it's a very like

[00:43:10] i don't know it's a very uh it's a very male kind of approach to life and to what it means to be an

[00:43:18] artist that i find very off-putting which is not the same with chumkila um i will say though

[00:43:25] like about the the politics of like what he is actually singing uh maybe it was just me because

[00:43:32] i had the subtitles going uh as we have discussed before i am a huge fan of subtitles i like subtitles

[00:43:39] on everything including things that i already understand um i watch english things with subtitles

[00:43:45] on because i like them so for me like it was very clear that the songs were definitely off color

[00:43:54] in a very specific way um and i need to spend more time i think reading what other people who are

[00:44:04] smarter and more well versed in these songs have to say about it but i think the movie also

[00:44:12] makes a case for it being a way for women to express the darker side of their sexuality

[00:44:21] as we saw in you know uh the song nan kalja which like uh you and i've spoken about before right uh

[00:44:29] i said so i don't know i think we we want to talk like 20 minutes more about nara

[00:44:35] mokalja later on but yes uh we did speak about it earlier uh yeah so i mean like it's just it's

[00:44:42] just a very interesting like i was definitely repulsed by a lot of the topics that the songs were

[00:44:49] were uh were focused on i'll be honest uh but also you're right like you know it's diljeet's charm

[00:44:58] and his star quality that makes you jump that bridge and i feel from like watching the archival

[00:45:06] footage or the photographs that we have of the actual chumkila i feel like that's the man who had

[00:45:13] exactly that kind of charm uh and that kind of star power um because you can see it in the photos

[00:45:20] with him and amajod but i just to kind of like come back to that point because we're talking a bit

[00:45:26] about nanam kalja i think that's kind of the problem i'm having in a way the approach to it is that

[00:45:34] the way sexuality is talked about sounds like you know um kind of like oh fun but you're taking

[00:45:41] away all of the power dynamics out of it right talking about

[00:45:45] maadita lashi lehniye you know we're talking about being assaulted by the devar you know um these are

[00:45:53] really really dark things about it right and i what i'm hearing is and i guess that video i say i sent

[00:45:59] to you guys that you didn't watch but the three kis were even hundred times worse there were like

[00:46:05] lots of things about like you know i'm knocking on your door and you know i'm gonna barge in

[00:46:10] and things like that i pull it i mean please correct me if i'm wrong you know i'm just getting this

[00:46:13] via via via all of that gets sanitized into like you know like just oh we're just having fun and

[00:46:19] sex is fun and i just feel that disconnect in the movie making this is you know

[00:46:26] punjab back in that time right like in the 80s and stuff like that and it seems to be a um

[00:46:32] a dubious sense and i just feel that there's a dick pulkit i want to ask you about that

[00:46:36] specifically about those lyrics you grew up on them sorry asim i think you were breaking for me

[00:46:42] was he breaking for everyone yes uh so i think it's very complex because like you said that they

[00:46:52] were assaulted but it's not assault they are consenting adults it's just that infed infedality

[00:46:59] was not a topic in punjabi songs even though it was happening very casually in front of a kid

[00:47:06] who was chamkeela right that's why they show him growing up that's how they show him growing up

[00:47:11] ki when he sees you know a couple fighting and says khada ho gaya it's offensive but when the same

[00:47:18] lyrics are sung in a manner which is ladies sang it in punjab it's acceptable so he saw that these

[00:47:25] topics are not acceptable to talk about but when someone sings a song about them it's people

[00:47:31] accept it very easily so yeah i think that's where chamkeela came from he just spoke about what he saw

[00:47:38] what was normalized and he sang about it and the power dynamics and sexuality

[00:47:48] about the songs or between them i can i don't know if you can hear but you know

[00:47:56] basically kind of speaking from a female perspective you know like this idea that

[00:48:01] women consent it to i just find a bit hard to understand you know but maybe this me maybe i am that

[00:48:07] journalist woke journalist so even though they have translated it a lot of things are lost in

[00:48:12] translation right so there are some things which are very problematic but still sang like they're

[00:48:19] the best thing uh for example there's a song about mehchikhar dapere nondisi ho takda rehha

[00:48:26] nahi thi ho mucze chhat se dek rahaan tha and chamkeela is a kid saw someone doing that

[00:48:31] but it's still not with her consent madhul abh when you know she's bathing and someone is watching

[00:48:37] but in the song the women is singing it like she's enjoying it so even though women listening

[00:48:45] to chamkeela songs never had a problem with it because they i think they never cared about

[00:48:51] how this song would affect people i think they just they just heard you know uh

[00:49:01] and they were like oh these are like

[00:49:05] yeah they were like same as anything they're like

[00:49:11] so unless i tell you what that means you would never know or care what they mean but once you

[00:49:16] know you'll be like oh what this is this is what i was dancing on for last 10 years so it's the same

[00:49:23] i think the only problem imtiaz pointed out in the film was

[00:49:27] that the women have no problem with it but the society is saying that women have a problem

[00:49:34] with it but they themselves are enjoying it because even though it was a male dominated

[00:49:40] in the akhada there were men listening to chamkeela but every house near that akhada

[00:49:46] had had women lined up to listen to chamkeela so i think even even though there were a lot of people

[00:49:54] offended by him but they would still listen to it for the banger music so i think chamkeela

[00:50:02] balanced it and imtiaz i think just wanted to point that out point that hypocrisy out

[00:50:07] the same people are doing this it was a lot of like things were problematic but yeah i don't think

[00:50:15] chamkeela knew that's what problematic is but chamkeela wasn't woken up it was woken up too

[00:50:21] yeah i think so for example there's one song where chamkeela which is not in the movie i think

[00:50:28] so

[00:50:34] so what the original song is

[00:50:41] the song is about

[00:50:46] so this is a highly problematic song

[00:50:48] chamkeela is like you want problematic i got problematic

[00:50:56] but why but when i see chamkeela's life he was not someone who believes in this

[00:51:03] so he he sang it for the audience still normalizing it with his song so i can't say it's not

[00:51:10] problematic the song is completely problematic but again people were lapping it up like it's not

[00:51:17] so it's very complex to explain if you know how much onus was on chamkeela that's what the movie

[00:51:24] that's what imtiaz is trying to say that the whole onus why he got killed was not only on

[00:51:29] chamkeela but also the audience that supported his music because at one point he stopped singing it

[00:51:34] for whatever reasons but he stopped but people wanted him to sing those songs

[00:51:39] and also like there is that power dynamic imposed on him as well right that he belongs to this lower

[00:51:47] cast so he's even at the height of his you know fame and stardom he's still that people pleaser

[00:51:54] that will never leave him so that's there i would also add to this that you know the whole

[00:52:00] sanitizing part of why this story it does portray chamkeela not completely in like shades of like

[00:52:12] unicorns and rainbows but there's obviously some darker shades to his character but obviously

[00:52:18] it's not showing or bearing it out all it's i think to give the benefit of the doubt it's

[00:52:25] all it's all there in the filmmaking that the narrators of those flashback stories are all men

[00:52:32] they there is not a single woman who has spoken anything about what it meant for them to hear

[00:52:39] chamkeela other than that whole uh narm khalja section uh where where we hear the women or even

[00:52:47] the the the older woman talking that you know these are similar but i think that's why he put

[00:52:53] narm khalja because that is just women in different parts of panjab in hostel in all and there's a

[00:53:00] little conversation just before that song also she says that that daddy says yeah yeah

[00:53:08] he must be on but you don't get it but you're right the also the male perspective versus female

[00:53:19] perspective and imtiazali movies like amrita was saying it's tamasha was from a very male solving

[00:53:25] problem you know how how it should be solved like but again why he ki madjab dekhra tha i remember

[00:53:33] tamasha i didn't know power dynamics of men and women in a relationship i knew i only took it on

[00:53:39] a surface level he talks about following your passion but i think this is better than tamasha

[00:53:46] that way because uh like when parineeti still has the right to choose if she wants to sing with

[00:53:55] chamkeela or not like for example when he goes back to her ki amari tikte bohd bikri and even though

[00:54:02] parineet is whole family is against her singing with chamkeela even after all of that happened

[00:54:07] they still show ki she takes a stand and says but i will sing because i want to sing

[00:54:12] so i think women have better than tamasha sorry so we're back on we had to change

[00:54:19] recording software so if there's a difference in audio that's why it was because it was

[00:54:23] getting a real miss uh i want to talk specifically about two uh sequences in the movie uh one is

[00:54:31] the interview that uh the journalist does with um with the chamkeela's character right

[00:54:39] and i was wondering why we were talking about you know power dynamics and sexuality

[00:54:44] am i that journalist am i is the movie specifically addressing me with the criticism of looking at

[00:54:52] chamkeela with a very urban non-punjabi like you know lens liberal lens uh and try to judge him

[00:55:01] as an artist and i think was the movie pushing back against my inclinations and i i was wondering

[00:55:10] amrita is that something that you felt when you were watching the movie um i think yes

[00:55:18] but i don't think they were it was literally like towards journalists in particular i think it was to

[00:55:25] um it was just a note that they have like it's little things that uh chamkeela's character says

[00:55:35] throughout the film you know like when he first meets padineete's character and they're just talking

[00:55:40] about like how amarjot um might work with him and the one of the first things that he says is

[00:55:46] sort of like an aside uh he says to i think um uh to his friend where he says uh she sounds too

[00:55:54] urban and we need to break that from her voice we need to make her more desi uh so there's this

[00:56:01] oh this is this you know this parallel thought process running throughout this film um or even

[00:56:08] when you know the um the policeman is listening to his story um and you know when obviously he

[00:56:17] says and you know i don't listen to this type of music because i'm above it but also there is

[00:56:21] this uh this class thing where you have um i'm sorry if you can hear that in the background but

[00:56:29] it's election season in india and okay that's good uh but there's also this class thing that runs on

[00:56:36] where you know they talk about like um you know like inspector saab hui na sunenge wo to hum

[00:56:43] haval daav sunita hai like you know like there's this constant thing that's going on about like

[00:56:48] you know how this music is very desi it's meant for the lower classes uh it's very much uh country

[00:56:57] to use a term um and there's this feeling that you know like you won't understand it or not just

[00:57:04] respected but also you won't understand it and there's a world in here that you don't particularly

[00:57:11] understand if you're not from that background um so i don't so i think like again like it's

[00:57:17] this is one of the reasons why i think that this is such a clever movie because

[00:57:21] imtiaz is also talking to the the crowd that might listen to chamkila in 2024 and feel like oh like

[00:57:28] this is problematic like why is he singing about these things this is a world that we don't have

[00:57:34] like us like you know like we are much older than pulkit of course but um i but even then

[00:57:41] like there's not a world that any of us is particularly conversant with uh even if we were

[00:57:46] Punjabi you know like i don't imagine that we would have you know like understood this particular

[00:57:53] type of woman or man or gender relations so um it's uh like that's one of the reasons why again

[00:58:01] like i like this movie because it's just showing me a culture that i don't particularly understand

[00:58:07] or know things about i'm asking this because i feel lately bollywood has been having this

[00:58:14] discussion about woke culture be it you know rocky speech in rocky and rani's pream kahani

[00:58:20] be it uh nurafathe his interview or you know akshah's interview lately it's all about you know kind of

[00:58:26] like both siding it and like oh woke culture and i think it's also a very like misrepresentation

[00:58:33] of what woke or what liberalism is um you know i mean but it's i just i was just wondering if

[00:58:40] this movie is also saying you know like oh uh you you cannot understand it because you're just an

[00:58:46] urban elite and you shouldn't even judge us for the things we're saying or doing but i think

[00:58:53] it's just funny because the movie is presenting a very sanitized version of what it's doing and

[00:58:57] saying right so yeah i feel like it's the exact opposite actually because um it's a very uh you

[00:59:06] know it's a very like um uh dushman zamana you know like full of hypocrites who want to stifle artistic

[00:59:14] freedom and who uh they're coming from the conservative side actually you know because

[00:59:20] if they keep talking about like how things are vulgar like how dare you talk about this and like

[00:59:24] you know uh so it's a very it's i think it's like completely the opposite is what i feel

[00:59:30] um yeah i think uh the film addresses that incest and all these men

[00:59:38] men sexual aggression in women that is found in the lyrics of chamkeela that already exists nobody

[00:59:46] is say denying that at all nobody is saying is saying that we should save the society from

[00:59:52] all of these evils that we are trying to protect people from knowing in chamkeela songs

[00:59:58] but we are not going to address that it already exists so the hypocrisy of that existence is

[01:00:05] is is already portrayed in the movie i think and and that when the the lady journalist asks

[01:00:14] him about why do you ask the sing about these things and why are you singing uh about you know

[01:00:24] uh very uh raunchy lyrics in your songs and why they're problematic i think the answer that

[01:00:31] chamkeela gives is that for some people we can't even afford the the the the luxury of

[01:00:36] questioning what's right and wrong and he's grown up in that and that's the truth that he sees

[01:00:41] and he sings about it let's let's get into the music a little bit um what did you i mean

[01:00:52] uh we spoke a little bit about naram kalja i think people are not talking enough about that song to

[01:00:57] be honest yeah i think it's literally the best part of this whole movie also the fact that it's a

[01:01:03] comeback of alka yagnik into the mainstream after tamasha again tamasha was also if you're with us

[01:01:10] because it was more romantic song and stuff yeah but it's still alka yagnik's voice in a mainstream

[01:01:17] hindi film i think people are not talking people are talking about the other you know the comeback of

[01:01:22] rahe man with imtiaz after nine years and people are talking even more about mohit chohan's

[01:01:29] camio i was just coming to that because he sang two songs also did a cameo yeah i hope did you all

[01:01:35] notice the cameo uh first belly view he's at the start right in the first song yeah i think

[01:01:43] the thing is i would never recognized him like i don't know how it exactly looks like so i i am

[01:01:48] debuted so i did i did figure it out then but uh yeah let's let's talk like uh pulkit what was

[01:01:55] kind of your favorite song what what kind of story i think you spoke about it a little bit uh but

[01:02:00] yeah what was kind of your favorite moments because they're also like all so visually interesting

[01:02:06] choreography is so interesting like naram kalja i just feel it's like i've never seen panjab

[01:02:11] shot this way or you know the i really felt like yo this is like a world of women that i've never been

[01:02:17] privy to and i thought it was like just an amazingly unique perspective of how to shoot a song so what

[01:02:24] i love about naram kalja is it's a it's it all of the women are not a part of the narrative

[01:02:31] like not at least the main characters but they're given a song and you know the the

[01:02:38] comparison i can find easily is with the here to buddy sad because it may

[01:02:43] be one though they're showing here but the men who are talking about here

[01:02:47] are not connected to here at all there are some randomly like three four men in panjab

[01:02:52] who are singing about here being sad so you know i really like and they they are also talking to

[01:02:58] the camera if you remember here to buddy sad another reason why i think of it as a comparison

[01:03:04] because they are also panjabi and this is panjabi but i think my favorite song otherwise is ish kumita

[01:03:10] is simply because it's peppy and maybe in the long run it would be vidak ro but visually i really love

[01:03:18] bhaja yeah bhaja visually what it does is i really like i think when i saw bhaja i thought this

[01:03:27] is why i think if the azele is back because it gave me a feeling of chali kahaani also you know

[01:03:33] chali kahaani may they show glimpses of ronbir's life from every part and same for jobi meh kena

[01:03:39] chau in rock star they show ronbir singing in different different parts of the country at

[01:03:44] different different times of his career like it's like yeh a poori film this is like a coded open

[01:03:51] and that's what i love it ki visually also people are singing about chamki lights like an

[01:03:55] introduction to his like i think it's sad seven interview it's like a preface of a book

[01:04:02] this is what you're getting into so you know gandha sa banda hai total like while other singers are

[01:04:09] dissing chamkeela people are still dancing on it and then people are also calling it the hypocrisy

[01:04:15] in the song ke sab sunte uske gane koi maane ya na maane so whatever the film stands for it's

[01:04:22] everything is there in that song that's why i love bhaja a lot the i think dur mohbath sine lai

[01:04:29] something which is i think takes you into a zone like you know or ho from rock star which is not

[01:04:37] very pleasing for me at least he it's not something you would love instantly or even listen to it on

[01:04:45] but there's some quality redeeming quality in it which is the which is a layer beyond which

[01:04:51] you will maybe understand later like most reman songs but yeah i think bhaja and ish kumita

[01:05:00] stand out for me again i love what naram kalja stands for madhela so my answer is i know

[01:05:09] it's mixed but ish kumita ya all in all audio wise and bhaja video wise whatever you say i

[01:05:21] i've listened to vidakar a lot a lot i think from an audio perspective vidakar just stands

[01:05:29] out for me so much what i really like about naram kalja is that

[01:05:34] um alkay agni's voice and we've seen like alkay agni is a 90s sound for me right yeah and with

[01:05:50] her vocal register has changed because of obviously she's of age now and you can hear the age in her

[01:05:55] voice and that's been used so beautifully in naram kalja perfect like i've heard that song

[01:06:01] so many times i absolutely love naram kalja um amrita i think vidakar oh um i think that's

[01:06:11] basically the song that uh it's gonna stay with me for a long time uh but also like naram kalja

[01:06:19] yeah you know that's it's just it's very vintage impias for me like you know it's just

[01:06:26] it's sort of like everyone coming together you get like you know um it's dynamic um it's unexpected

[01:06:35] i like it i like it a lot i also like i mean we haven't spoken too much about you kya jaane

[01:06:41] which is also the visuals are basically their love story right and it was funny because we were

[01:06:47] last episode we were talking about um raju ban gaya gentleman right and we were like you know

[01:06:53] like it's a generation before us and the romance of that era and it's like the height of romance is

[01:07:00] just sitting next to the person and touching the shoulder and just touching the shoulder can

[01:07:05] mean so much because it's literally the only physical contact you have with that person um

[01:07:11] but yeah i thought that was also i was very sweet and uh how parinita pariniti was then

[01:07:18] acting when she was out of view of uh chamkeela and all of those i thought that was kind of a

[01:07:24] very sweet element in a love story that was kind of underwritten for me so i think that song

[01:07:30] the shoulder touch intimacy thing i think what i love about to kya jaane the most is that only

[01:07:37] yeah yeah and in a love story that's very underwritten i feel that song is doing a lot of

[01:07:43] heavy lifting you know that's just a lot where the movie doesn't tell us that much songs really

[01:07:52] also i want to just give like a shout out to parini before the way that she touched

[01:07:58] about and like very slightly before but the way that she's portrayed amar joe like it's not

[01:08:04] a caricature and um it's not a mimicry but it is pitch perfect because if you see the archival

[01:08:12] footage of amar joe uh this is one particular thing you know like the first time that chamkeela makes

[01:08:18] her blush and giggle yeah i don't know where i saw this video but there's like this video of

[01:08:26] the actual amar jeet laughing and she giggles in exactly that way you know uh the way that

[01:08:35] she ducks her head and then she she giggles it was fantastic like it was absolutely fantastic um

[01:08:42] and also the clapping of hands the way she claps her hands also i think it's very similar like

[01:08:48] especially because at the end you see those archival footages at the end and i think there was a bit

[01:08:53] of like mimicry there right pulkit that song is full mimicry but yeah what i also love i turned

[01:08:59] on camera to do the thing she does she does this thing with doing you know i love that even

[01:09:05] though it's only twice or thrice in the movie it feels like a running thing because she does it so

[01:09:10] perfectly yeah and i really like just even just before she gets assassinated as well right like in

[01:09:17] the last portion the last thing she does is there yeah and also like she's always found with a book

[01:09:24] yeah the book yeah that was also like like it's not even a book it's like so like a magazine

[01:09:29] kind of thing right that people used to read back when those things existed i don't know i

[01:09:34] don't see them a lot anymore these things no that's a song book oh is it no no they are

[01:09:41] i think you know it's a teller who uh that's the first reading when they meet that's the first thing

[01:09:48] she thought that was i thought that was her song book and that's how she is like learning all these

[01:09:53] songs no it's novels no no she's learning through diljith and the practice in the room

[01:10:00] do

[01:10:02] but those books are actually thrillers and all yeah my mom used to read these like urdu digest and

[01:10:10] like all of these things but she's like completely stopped but i remember back in the 80s 90s she used

[01:10:15] to always get them in pakistan like that same size and uh yeah so that's what it reminded me i don't

[01:10:21] know if they still exist also there's a little hint because titalo means white blood so also like

[01:10:28] maybe i'm just over thinking but maybe foreshadowing of you know them getting murdered or something the

[01:10:33] first to talk about his blood because she says and clearly not into books

[01:10:40] i mean i'm a cinchamila so he says

[01:10:46] i love that

[01:10:55] and she's so shy in that scene she's so restrained you know and like she's not even putting her head

[01:11:01] up to see at this man so it's really funny because sorry yeah so like when i first like the first

[01:11:09] time you do you see amar joe then she's just sitting there by herself she clearly has no agency

[01:11:14] whatsoever her brother and her father are deciding everything for her um and she like it was to a

[01:11:22] point where like you know like you could like i thought like is she like on the spectrum is that

[01:11:27] what they're trying to tell me and then like you can see the chanquila also had that same thought

[01:11:32] because then biljeet goes like uh is she okay what is up with her just saying if she can't speak yeah

[01:11:40] yeah um so it's just and then her dad is like maybe you know he's got like a a pet that can do tricks

[01:11:52] but yeah like amar joe i do agree with us and that amar joe's character is a little underwritten

[01:11:57] but i also feel that within the boundaries that you know the the script allows her

[01:12:05] but maybe plays her as a woman who's just sort of discovering her own power and um that's just

[01:12:13] other thing is also these people got killed when they were like 27 amar joe probably like what life

[01:12:19] what you know we're all older than i'm pretty but i don't know you know like we've lived more and

[01:12:24] like i remember 26 27 of the hell did i know you know like i was an idiot you know so uh i

[01:12:30] understand they were not last year wasn't it last year

[01:12:39] i'm just a little bit better than me right now so yeah i mean and i think that's something about

[01:12:47] you know they're not fully formed yet and uh you know they they already got killed i thought the

[01:12:52] murder scene was very shocking the way you know because they revisited the store they show like

[01:12:57] close-ups of them getting shot and like randomly there's a happy scene cut to them lying down of close

[01:13:04] uh but i saw in the summer just didn't have that i think there are some things you do for shock

[01:13:10] value because of low attention span or something maybe

[01:13:18] also sorry sorry to just quickly one point i was thinking to speak we were talking about agency i think

[01:13:24] why is that her dialogues are very low but if you see she takes a lot of decisions

[01:13:29] not only the decision we already speak about but first move to sit with him to tell him that i

[01:13:34] am also interested in you and it's her idea to get them married technically she tells

[01:13:41] that the only way to save this thing is to get married so i think she takes a lot of

[01:13:47] decisions in their relationships but not related to the singing part or you know if we should

[01:13:53] continue singing or not even though we're getting death threats because i think chankila got scrutinized

[01:14:00] more because he wrote those lyrics well not only he sang them but she she i think she did a lot of

[01:14:07] actions which were like you know which spoke to people to the audience just the whole shy thing

[01:14:14] and playing to the playing to the masses because eventually she was known for that bubbly image

[01:14:21] which she wants to get over in every interview she speaks about it but i think that's what

[01:14:26] works for her in this movie also like she speaks very less but it's her actions of you know being

[01:14:31] cute and like i think it's very like she has pulled it off very well and they resemble us with

[01:14:38] amarjot is very uncanny i would say that yeah so do any other points that we didn't cover

[01:14:45] that you want to talk about for chankila? i really enjoy the chinese whispers scene like when

[01:14:54] chankila gets a phone call from somebody from calcutta or i think the hmv office and it has

[01:15:01] to go through a string of people from one end to the other it kind of is also telling about the

[01:15:09] thanks unreliable narrations of so many people trying to talk about the legacy of chankila so

[01:15:18] that scene was constructed very well i enjoyed that i did not quite know what then happened like

[01:15:23] the whole kumudmishra came and went i think and i think he was it was a cameo mohe chan and him

[01:15:31] they were in the credits

[01:15:36] amrita any point that we missed that you want to talk about

[01:15:41] no other than the fact that everyone should watch chankila it's been a while since we've seen something

[01:15:48] truly interesting come out of the hindi film industry and i think well actually that's not

[01:15:54] fair we've had we've had a couple of movies that came out this year that were like genuinely

[01:15:59] quite interesting but this is this is this feels very different there's like a dynamic

[01:16:05] dynamism to it that i really enjoy and i think other people would enjoy as well

[01:16:13] pulkit anything you want to add i know you have i mean we could talk to you so much about

[01:16:19] this movie i think you because you've lived it now it's it's kind of a lived experience

[01:16:23] it was like when two days ago there was a video of sadguru eating french fries and i was

[01:16:28] like i've lived this you know being i know what fries mean so i feel this chankila is for you what

[01:16:35] sadguru with fries is for me but yeah i mean it's special because madhav i've been a imtiaz

[01:16:44] fanboy to be very honest so i got to work on i met him i told him the story of the mic thing

[01:16:49] and all and he was very i took his autograph and all but yeah so i think it's been special

[01:16:54] for me and also i think why people should also watch it very rarely they make musical biographies

[01:17:00] in india like on a musical rock star was not a real person story i think someone pointed

[01:17:06] thus the only real person story before this was baju bawra in fifties yeah and uh i mean trying

[01:17:13] to make sure kumar biography for like 70 years i think they could be lining and

[01:17:19] anurag basu wanted to make it with randbir from what i remember uh and but the ganguli family

[01:17:26] was not agreeing well yeah yeah and the people involved are too many but i think what i loved

[01:17:32] about like last note is what i love about it even though it and like his life ends with

[01:17:38] uh a death which is a very sad thing like and they also ended with a sad song but they follow

[01:17:43] it with a happy note like so the movie imtiaz wants to end it on a happy note

[01:17:48] the legacy keep people dancing in theater when the song played after his death

[01:17:56] and also the comparison video and the fact that

[01:18:04] imagine people would have gotten up again in that scene it would have been met down so many

[01:18:09] levels like i would have like oh fuck this is happening again like you know he died his

[01:18:16] a movie had his songs people danced in theater now we are watching i think

[01:18:23] i would like to barely like last mentioned like we hardly mentioned amita bachan um

[01:18:29] and the influence of amita bachan in his hairstyle the you know the angry young man

[01:18:34] mukadar sa kasi kandar and he always wanted to be on the big screen just like amita bachan

[01:18:38] and then finally gets to be posthumously in patwala in the final reel when we get to see like

[01:18:44] uh the big screen version of them that was so cute all like that i had to explain to my wife

[01:18:50] because she was watching it with me a little bit and she was like why does he have that stupid

[01:18:55] haircut he looks so good with the pagdi and i was like yeah it's the 80s everybody had this

[01:18:59] terrible amita haircut and like you it only looked good on amita and everybody had it

[01:19:06] it's the terenam syndrome

[01:19:11] but there's a clear scene that the barber is called vijay parlour or something

[01:19:19] oh damn these three you know many references the dawn music plays when he's walking to the it

[01:19:26] officer yeah and even somebody said what i don't know if it was an interview or like

[01:19:31] was it in the movie itself again it's like oh when i met him he was so good looking i thought i was

[01:19:36] meeting amita bachan uh it might have been something was that in the movie was the first time i met him

[01:19:42] the id officer says cvm yeah it is yeah i think a lot of also his dream dies

[01:19:55] when he realizes that i have sold more seats than who i looked up to yeah i love that and he looks in

[01:20:01] the mirror classic himtia shot like looking into the mirror and keep thinking where have i come yeah

[01:20:08] amita being the measure of your success still right like at that era yeah cool i think we had a good

[01:20:15] chat even without audio issues about chamkira um pulkit man we're gonna continue a little bit

[01:20:22] we want to thank you and where can people find you online because i have to say this

[01:20:26] because you're back and i have to say this i was telling my wife sorry i lost you did you hear

[01:20:32] can you hear me now can you hear me i'm just to uh i think even even the

[01:20:39] huh sorry i'll be up below yeah i was saying uh i was telling my wife you were gonna be on and

[01:20:45] she said pulkit is the person that makes you laugh the most on instagram you know she knows

[01:20:54] oh okay she's talking about you no you she's talking about you you make me the laugh the

[01:21:00] most i think you are one of the funniest creators that is around so where can people find you online

[01:21:07] mostly i'm on instagram like almost every day or you will find me on instagram at

[01:21:12] adrid pulkit coacher i'm thinking to do long-term content on youtube so that is also pulkit

[01:21:18] coacher official like the username but yeah mostly two places and if you like to hear my

[01:21:25] unhinged thoughts i'm also on twitter coacher pulkit amazing amazing thanks so much pulkit

[01:21:32] and uh we'll have you back on soon hopefully for sure let's discuss some old khan movie again yes

[01:22:06] okay so let's move on to the second movie you watched uh barimia chote mia

[01:22:17] amrita we could not convince you to watch this movie for the any money right available

[01:22:23] i mean i love you guys and i love our audience and i love doing this every week but uh there

[01:22:30] are some bridges awesome that i will not cross there are limits yes but it's it's crazy because

[01:22:38] this movie was such a wash out so quickly i rarely see it happen people like a lot of these box office

[01:22:47] analysts and stuff like that like they just hold hope k like monday ko dekhinge tuesday

[01:22:52] ko dekhinge and all that kind of stuff this one no like wash out straight away it's not gonna

[01:22:58] happen and it's an e-d movie it's an e-d movie it's an akshay movie and amrita you were talking

[01:23:04] about this a while like you know you were saying that oh if if this is done akshay might join politics

[01:23:11] even you're saying um do you still think that's gonna happen i mean the last time akshay was in

[01:23:20] public they were throwing slippers at him like it was part of like a larger uh protest but uh i don't

[01:23:29] know man like um i don't know what's up with him like he's just tied himself a little too close i think

[01:23:37] to uh you know the bjp right now so and and they're not particularly fond of him at scenes

[01:23:46] so like if i've been different like if it had been like kangna where like kangna is like

[01:23:51] back shit insane but also like the bjp voting public really loves her so that's like you know

[01:23:58] like there's a synergy happening over there but like the bjp voting public in india is basically

[01:24:02] calling akshay you know um some sort of traitor because he's a canadian citizen or whatever oh

[01:24:08] he's not even a canadian citizen anymore like the post i gave up his isn't shared

[01:24:14] he's you know he's done everything that he could to win them over and they won't even go watch his

[01:24:19] movie so yeah i guess it's a really odd it's a really odd situation i feel like a movie flopping

[01:24:27] this badly two movies flopping really badly like both madhan and uh bdmiya chhote miya going

[01:24:34] just doing terrible business and on the other hand we have like movies like pushpa coming

[01:24:40] which are going to be big big hits we it's already they're talking about they're selling up and

[01:24:44] they're getting a very high price and things like that um what was your experience in the theater sujoy

[01:24:50] was it like mine was literally like when i booked i i put the screenshot up i was like the only

[01:24:56] person that was booking a ticket when i went there i was full on my idea was you know what if

[01:25:01] i'm alone i'll just live tweet the movie and it'll be fun but then there were like three

[01:25:06] people in the back row and i was like yeah this is not going to be fun i don't want to screw

[01:25:09] up their experience so i ended up not doing it but what about in your area was it like

[01:25:14] busy was it were there a lot of people yeah i went the opening weekend on saturday matinee show i think

[01:25:19] the 2 p.m show and it was like 60 occupancy but i like i i don't know if it's um the cinema culture

[01:25:29] here like the cinema viewing experience culture here people have their phones out anyway it

[01:25:34] doesn't matter they refresh facebook they update their instagram they're taking calls and

[01:25:40] speaking like it's their living room you know um but like nobody was really enjoying this movie i think

[01:25:48] like there was right because there are several hero entry scenes there's slow motion walks

[01:25:55] there's the action scenes uh some of them are quite good i mean they are well executed i would

[01:26:02] say but the story in itself and the way it's being executed it's just it feel it didn't feel like a

[01:26:11] you know a cohesive movie that has come together considering it's an aliyah bazaar movie which

[01:26:16] is worrying at this point um it's by the way amrita this movie had a lot of weirdly

[01:26:25] citizenship jokes in it like there was a lot of comments about uk citizenship and this and

[01:26:31] i was like why is it why why is this in this um yeah it's uh this is uh like i literally went

[01:26:40] because i wanted to see the new aliyah bazaar movie that was the really the reason and i think i

[01:26:45] still hold some sort of nostalgia for either comedy uh akshay you know or action akshay

[01:26:54] those are the two i can't stand social justice akshay that much or you know terrorism akshay or

[01:27:02] you know like uh hindu national akshay but these other two i think i i hold a lot of nostalgia in them

[01:27:09] but watching the movie i really figured out why this movie didn't work is that aliyah bazaar

[01:27:16] is not an akshay fanboy like he is you know like ayan mukherjee is with randbir or you know like

[01:27:24] aliyah bas himself is with salman um you know there's always these connections that there are

[01:27:29] you know like even like siddharth anand is with um with rithik roshan right uh or atlee was with

[01:27:36] srk you know this is like it's love and understanding what these actors are good at and this is what i

[01:27:42] need to project aliyah bazaar seems to have no idea what akshay fandom is about um and he never puts that

[01:27:51] into um into effect i was i was reading um i was following a twitter account friend uh hood hood

[01:28:00] dabang who's a very knowledgeable salman khan kind of fan and he was saying that um aliyah

[01:28:08] bazaar was actually writing a movie with salman and varun and then the bhagnanis came and they

[01:28:16] retooled this two bade mia chote mia and i was like man that makes so much sense watching this

[01:28:21] movie because tiger is playing the smart mouth character that varun should be playing

[01:28:29] which actually is an akshay kumar role akshay kumar is the smart alec uh kameena kind of

[01:28:36] character he's not the stoic kind of guy that would be salman that could play that role right

[01:28:42] and it's just a complete miscasting it's a complete miss um you know a direction of which

[01:28:50] character should be playing which role and it takes away both of their skill set and i was

[01:28:56] like wow this is why this movie hasn't worked no other reason because enough badly written

[01:29:01] badly promoted movies can work like we had gatha too was the massive hit last year you know um

[01:29:08] tons of movies are bad this and that but they work um this just had no legs this didn't work and i think

[01:29:16] that that's one of the reason that i i mean hearing you talk about salman and varun in the role

[01:29:22] of the bade mia and chote mia that in itself is so much more exciting than this entire movie um

[01:29:29] but i think enough bad movies do work but there is a connection that people that the audience finds

[01:29:38] with with a certain movie right that's the glue that holds um that that's why bollywood movies of

[01:29:45] the 80s and the 90s are held in so much nostalgic regard right um and to me that that sort of

[01:29:52] chemistry that bromance that that banter is missing like tiger is trying his best to be

[01:30:00] you know banter lad and like all his jokes they're written so badly and executed by him so badly

[01:30:08] akshay as the straight face you know uh no silliness kind of guy also like he gets moments

[01:30:18] of comedy where you can see that he's done comedy you can tell that he he can pull it off but he is

[01:30:25] not allowed to somehow but yeah also about the comedy it's a very like hollywood type of comedy

[01:30:32] like you know like you see in lethal weapon or stuff like that and i just don't think yeah bad boys

[01:30:39] um i just don't think that's the kind of comedy akshay that's not akshay's comedy

[01:30:44] it felt very much a lot of the jokes and the references felt like some old person talking

[01:30:50] about these things right and it comes really into effect when alia f character is coming in right

[01:30:58] because she's like oh my god and like all of these you know like uh your pro max i don't even

[01:31:05] know what kind of references and to me they felt like out of touch old references completely yeah

[01:31:11] it was like verbal diarrhea of all the gen z references that you can get

[01:31:16] yeah you know rolled into an it like a stereotypical it humor that somebody who has no connection with

[01:31:24] computers would think that these would be the references that somebody who belongs to that

[01:31:29] industry would speak about it's it's just yeah it's literally richie sunak wearing adidas sambas

[01:31:35] you know this is like it's actually what this movie was it's it's it's really and a lot of it is also

[01:31:42] like i felt that alia bazaaf had just put the things that he likes about hollywood movies in this

[01:31:49] movie you know there's like the literally the plot is they're making wolverines that's what

[01:31:55] they're doing they're making wolverines right there's uh the iron dome is there from black

[01:32:00] panther um you know there's um uh there's a stunt sequencer completely like inspired from marvel

[01:32:08] there's a bit of phase face off in there there's a literally scene from dark night where uh the the

[01:32:15] face is on the table like that and you know that face is gonna get burnt later on um

[01:32:20] there's so many element universal soldier there's so much of universal soldier in there

[01:32:26] you know and it just seems like he put everything that he liked in this movie it never comes together

[01:32:34] like this movie amrita the end of the movie is a voice over narration they set up a sequel

[01:32:42] and in the post credit they have two songs not one two songs that explain a romantic sub plot

[01:32:48] that is never explored in the movie like if you're doing that much heavy lifting in the end

[01:32:54] of it then you know that the movie never got to came together right there was something already

[01:32:59] wrong in the prediction or in the in the writing of it what i did like though what i did like though

[01:33:07] is that it's a callback to baremia chotemia of the you know the amita bachan and govinda movie

[01:33:13] so they do explain the connection why they are called baremia chotemia and then they also

[01:33:20] bring the double role in the end because the original movie had a double role so that was like

[01:33:25] finally you did something to this movie and i think that's what happened he retro retrofitted

[01:33:33] the idea of baremia chotemia into the movie because something was already there and i maybe if

[01:33:38] he was making that salman and varun movie it was not a baremia chotemia movie but when

[01:33:43] they came in there's like oh let's retrofit it and then it started like okay we'll add these

[01:33:48] reference here and there and it feels odd it doesn't feel like it's no organic story

[01:33:56] yeah it's it's it's it's a shame because you are i think the one of the reasons i went is for the

[01:34:02] action set pieces and the actions i thought were really well done like the scale of them are so big

[01:34:08] like there's so much better than even uh surya vanshi aksh akshes the thing he does with

[01:34:14] the rohe chatty but there's a lack of clarity in the action like the set pieces are so big

[01:34:20] but the camera work the editing is so unclear about what's happening um it's it's it almost

[01:34:27] doesn't feel like a adi abha zafar movie it feels like somebody took it out of it hands his hands

[01:34:32] and re edited and reached fit it into something else that never really was meant to be um

[01:34:38] there's also sequels where they they clearly reference the video game assassin's creed did you

[01:34:44] see that moment like yeah why like they had to like put a tiger in that so that he can parkour

[01:34:53] yeah but they also put aksh in it and clearly aksh has never seen any assassin's creed video games

[01:34:59] and he looks like assassin aapa the way he's like it's like uh sonakshi's role in this movie is just

[01:35:11] to like sleep she's literally sleeping all of second half like goals i like sonakshi i've said this

[01:35:20] many times i get happy when she came on screen so i was really happy um but she has nothing to do

[01:35:26] except have amazing hair you know and even in the movie they so she's supposed to be aksh's ex-girlfriend

[01:35:33] you know a trope we see lovers get back together after so many years we've seen it in top gun and

[01:35:39] you know so many other things but she's apparently married to somebody they never say who she's

[01:35:44] married to yeah literally never and i was a moment is she married to prithviraj like is that

[01:35:51] who she's married to but no no there's no connection so the whole story is about who's who is this villain

[01:35:58] that's gonna that's kind of taken the big um big uh secret weapon that they've stolen right

[01:36:07] and the reveal is then it's obviously third guy that you guys screwed over right like

[01:36:12] you know apparently there was a third guy and it's him so again it's uh it's a shame it's a shame

[01:36:19] um yeah i don't know who's like this uh is manashi chiller uh like you know aksh's girlfriend

[01:36:29] at last like what is she apparently in the post credit song she is but there's no basis for this

[01:36:34] in the entire movie whatsoever she's just a raw agent yeah she's literally just a raw agent and

[01:36:42] the at the the star tiger says oh stop drooling on him on a on aksh when she sees aksh because

[01:36:48] apparently aksh looks so hot he really doesn't um but then nothing any romance happens in the entire

[01:36:56] movie except at the end where there's a song even between tiger and alia uh if there's like no romance

[01:37:03] during the entire movie none of the songs they're they're together like even there's a song where

[01:37:09] they're dancing and they're trying to do not to not to and stuff like that sunakshi almost

[01:37:13] doesn't appear in it and apparently they're big in love with aksh it's why are they doing not to

[01:37:20] not to it's like like their version right it's not not to not to but like clearly they try to

[01:37:26] emulate that energy of dude bros hanging together and having like a dance together right um so

[01:37:32] yeah it's not not to not to but it's like inspired from it it's jato jato

[01:37:36] yeah i don't know i don't know uh so do anything else you had about this movie that you want to

[01:37:46] like the fake mustach no notes i have no notes the fake mustache is so bad like you can see

[01:37:52] like actually the netting you can see the aksh can grow a mustache why does he need to put that

[01:37:59] like it's the fake mustache so terrible in one of the flashback scenes where he's supposed

[01:38:05] to be young and he's got this really jet black moustache and he's smiling because it's glued down

[01:38:12] so tightly on his skin he his face doesn't move like this part doesn't move it's so jarring

[01:38:19] oh man there's also like cloning involved in this movie but the clones they they work with cgi and

[01:38:26] the cgi is so bad like you have clone aksh and clone tiger but they've clearly told them

[01:38:33] like cloning or not because it's like lady like their heads are like you know they're using their

[01:38:39] facebook technology and uh yeah even cgi the effects like i remember they're like on a horse

[01:38:46] running in those assassin creed costumes and it looks so bad i was like where did they even shoot

[01:38:52] this like none of it makes any sense and even like like you would think if you have a aksh

[01:38:59] movie or tiger movie that aksh would be good in action right like there's a moment where they

[01:39:06] fight each other's clone like that's the thing because oh the clone knows my moves so let's

[01:39:11] have aksh fight tiger because he doesn't know his moves and that should be like an epic showdown

[01:39:17] like aksh is 90 karate with you know tigers now martial arts like the evolution of those two

[01:39:26] fighting stars for me as somebody who loves martial arts and fighting in movies i could construct that

[01:39:31] scene so well and they just do a shit job you see two versions of the fight and both are bad

[01:39:38] like how do you screw that up i don't understand and there is no distinction between the two either

[01:39:43] it's it's just a narrative you know plot device that oh he knows my style we should swap

[01:39:49] there's no like stakes involved either it's just like sure dude Karlojo Karna you know and so so they're

[01:39:57] all wearing masks right Amrita and like the first part is like who are these two other assassins

[01:40:03] that are you know unbreakable and they're like they have like special powers they get stabbed

[01:40:08] in the neck and then their eyes go red and then they just pull out the knife and they're fine

[01:40:12] they're immortal right and they're like beating up everybody unstoppable and stuff like that

[01:40:17] and then the interval it's like you know they take off the mask and they're it's tiger and aksh's

[01:40:24] clone but throughout the entire movie there are clearly some other white people like their physicality

[01:40:30] doesn't match their hair doesn't match their skin tone doesn't match and like only when they

[01:40:36] take them off and then their heads don't move it's like why don't you just have them stand

[01:40:41] over there why did you know cgi technology to do that when you could just change their costume

[01:40:45] and have them stand there man it was so frustrating this sounds like a very quality product i must say

[01:40:53] it's it's it's a lot like 350 crore 350 crores is the budget of this movie where did they spend it

[01:41:00] apparently 162 crores or something was like aksh's salary which yeah it sounds like a money laundering

[01:41:08] scheme to me because there's just no way in hell that the Hognanis have that kind of money

[01:41:13] or that they thought that aksh was worth 160 crores in this day and age like that's just not

[01:41:19] realistic our actors really asking 160 crores how much is that in dollars like 30 million dollars

[01:41:27] i mean i don't know but like it's you know like it's i think it's more like 20 maybe i don't know

[01:41:34] but it's just like i don't know like the Khans at least are asking for a percentage of like

[01:41:41] whatever it is that they're making you know like Shah Rukh and Salman apparently asked for like 60%

[01:41:46] Amir asked for 80% but like that is of the profits you know like so they in the movie doesn't work

[01:41:54] they don't get paid like that's as simple as that um so when you hear that you know like Shah Rukh

[01:41:59] made like whatever like 500 crores or something for Javan i mean that's him making that money

[01:42:08] off the profit that's not money that he's charging the producers when you hear that Bhattan was you know

[01:42:14] cost like 250 crores to make that is not money that was paid upfront to Shah Rukh so that is like

[01:42:21] money that was spent on the product and even with 250 crores i mean like we definitely had

[01:42:27] issues with the production so i don't know how the economics of an Akshya Kumar action movie

[01:42:36] works anymore especially at this scale if you're paying him as much as you would pay the VFX people

[01:42:44] i mean that's just it doesn't make any sense to me when i was watching the his interview with the

[01:42:49] Ranveer the Ranveer show i don't know his guy's name oh yeah literally the first interview i've ever

[01:42:56] seen with this Ranveer person i don't know his work but he Akshya was basically saying you know

[01:43:04] i'm a producer's actor i whatever i do is in service of the producer not of the story not of the director

[01:43:10] not of anything else so maybe that's why also he has a longer association with the bhajnanis or

[01:43:16] something like that and maybe he will even return some pleas because his movie didn't work at all

[01:43:20] you know but it was an interesting interview though i have to say and also which you know

[01:43:28] what's really nice i thought was Akshya and Tiger have seemingly really bonded like they really respect

[01:43:36] and like each other i think Tiger obviously he has this thing where he he's very like he respects

[01:43:44] his elders and like he had the same thing with Ritik right but i think with Ritik there was a bit

[01:43:48] of like like competition going on where Akshya is so secure and he just likes somebody he's

[01:43:55] like who he will get just just go kill the person that you know he just likes somebody that plays

[01:43:58] volleyball and football with him and i was like yeah Akshya is that seems to be the kind of guy Akshya

[01:44:03] is you know just like somebody come over and play basketball with me you know so that was kind

[01:44:08] of that was kind of sweet um yeah i'm just looking at the Vashu Baknani's filmography

[01:44:17] the last movie that he produced was Ganpat with Tiger Shroff that was on a budget of 190 crores

[01:44:26] and that even that didn't even cross 15 crores in the box office wow yeah so yeah Tiger did say

[01:44:35] that he's like in a precarious situation at the moment because he's had two back to back flops

[01:44:40] and this is the third one so he did say he's quite worried about that where Akshya was

[01:44:44] like i don't i don't really give a shit i'll just move on and make more movies and

[01:44:48] he's got four movies lined up so he's definitely not going into politics anytime soon

[01:44:53] but yeah yeah have you guys seen any of these because he's back like this Ranveer guy he also

[01:45:00] has that Nora Fatehi clip that's going viral at the moment where she's shit talking about

[01:45:04] feminism i don't know if you saw that Aminita you were traveling so you might have missed all of

[01:45:07] that i saw the clip yeah yeah yeah he's quite popular right he's a he's a popular content yeah he's

[01:45:16] yeah anyway i don't i don't think we want to continue talking about buddy me and for me i

[01:45:22] you can completely skip it it's nori when even even when it drops at home i just don't think

[01:45:27] it's gonna be a good time it's there's nothing redeemable in the movie i really hope that Ali

[01:45:32] Abbas Zafar can kind of find projects that he's passionate about again because things are not going

[01:45:38] well these last three movies he's done so he's done Bloody Daddy which also that was for Gio

[01:45:44] i think then he did Jogi which was for Netflix and now buddy mea Chhotemiya

[01:45:51] so i don't know if he needs to get back together with Salman or something like that or

[01:45:55] what's missing here but i just think he's a i really like him as a filmmaker but he's

[01:46:02] definitely been not as passionate about these these last few movies and although i do hear good

[01:46:08] things about Jogi which i have not seen yet so i might because i'm on a Diljit you know Diljit ride

[01:46:15] lately maybe i might go and watch that one i'm not going to watch Jodi Jodi Jogi Jodi okay cool

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