In this episode of Editorial, Mr. Sujit Nair discusses the ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan. He questions the unnecessary involvement of a third party—the United States—in what he describes as India’s matters.
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[00:00:01] Namaskar, Welcome to another episode of Editorial. I have a very important editorial for you today. I have three questions. First, was the ceasefire between India and Pakistan a right move? Second, was allowing Trump to interfere in our affairs a right move?
[00:00:27] Third, what could have been a good ending to this escalation, to this war against Pakistan? This is the topic of tonight. Let's get right into the show. Let's get things very clear in our mind first. A lot of my viewers, some of them from Pakistan,
[00:00:54] wrote to me, asked me as to why do I say that Pahelgaam was sponsored by Pakistan? What proof do I have?
[00:01:03] Let me tell you, I am a regular citizen of India. I draw a lot of conclusion through logic. Because a lot of us in India and possibly any other citizen in the world are not, are not previewed to their classified documents. So a lot of us make conclusions using our logic.
[00:01:27] You see, we live in a country where we do not give state funerals to terrorists. Azhar Masood says that 10 of his relatives had killed, 4 of his aides were killed and we saw that there were state funerals given in places Lahore, Muridke and Muzaffarabad.
[00:01:45] Now, Muridke is a quarter of Lashkarat. What do you see on your screens? Are state funerals given to terrorists? People who are associated with Azhar Masood and others. In my country, I am not used to seeing this kind of site.
[00:02:03] So, if a country gives state funerals where uniformed military personnels are giving homage to those people, then that country sponsors terrorists. This is what I believe. And for me, as a lay person sitting in India, this is proof enough to assume that Pakistan sponsors terrorists.
[00:02:26] Now, further proof is when their own defense minister, not a layman like me, not a layman, a defense minister sits in an interview in Kite television and tells the anchor that, you know what, because of, you know, we have been doing the dirty work of, which is sponsoring terrorists, training terrorists, giving terrorists space in their land for last two decades on BS of Europe and America.
[00:02:53] Their defense minister said it. So, you have intercepted calls from them. Indian intelligence agencies and investigating agencies have intercepted calls from them, directing their terrorist operations in Mumbai.
[00:03:09] We have seen, we have seen, we have seen, we have seen evidences in various of our bomb blasts that there has been Pakistan and we have seen Pakistan army, Pakistan government giving government funerals to terrorists and their own defense minister had come out and said that, listen, you know, we, we harbor terrorists.
[00:03:31] We train terrorists. We train terrorists. What more proof do you want as a layman, as a common man, as a common citizen in front of the world? And lastly, where did you find Osama bin Laden? Switzerland? He was found in Pakistan. So, what more proof does one put that Pakistan sponsors terrorism? The first point I wanted to make clear, Pakistan sponsors terrorism.
[00:03:58] Now, let me go to the next point. If Pakistan sponsors terrorism, then how does a country like India combat that? Because the maximum effect of their sponsoring terrorism is on India. Because they use all their whatever sponsored terrorists to infiltrate India, to create insurgencies in India, especially in Jammu and Kashmir.
[00:04:28] What do India do? India has two choices. Choice number one is talking to Pakistan. Diplomacy. Dialogue. Choice number one. Choice number two is war. Now, believe me you, I am a person who believes in nonviolence. I am a person who has tremendous faith in dialogue. I am a person who believes in diplomacy.
[00:04:57] But you see, there is also another fact. History has taught us that diplomacy is done with governments. You can be, you can have dialogues with a government, with an elected government, a democratic government. You cannot have dialogues with the military uniformed officers.
[00:05:24] A democratic government is trained to do dialogues. They have a system. They have processes. They have bureaucracy that is trained and they indulge in dialogue. They have some reverence to something called as treaty. They have some reverence to something called as a word that they give to the other nation and the world. There is some reverence. Now, imagine a situation in Pakistan where there is no government. There has never been.
[00:05:53] There has never been. If at all there has been government, there has been only pseudo-governments. There has never been a real democratic government in that particular country. The only thing that dominates there is the military. Now, you tell me, how do you have diplomatic talks with military? Like I said, world has taught us one lesson.
[00:06:13] You could never have a diplomatic talk with Hitler, nor with Idi Amin, nor with Mohammed Gaddafi, nor with Ziyalul Haq, nor with Mussolini, nor with Stalin, nor with General Ilshad of Bangladesh. One couldn't have a dialogue with these people. They were dictators. They were uniformed dictators. The only thing they understood is bullet. Either they fired it or they got fired. The concept of diplomacy, the concept of dialogue arises out of the concept of democracy.
[00:06:39] When they don't believe in the fundamentals of democracy, where are they going to have dialogues with you? So what exactly are you expected to do with Pakistan? We used to have dialogues after dialogues after dialogues after dialogues after dialogues after dialogues after dialogues after dialogues after dialogues. What happened? And the same government, Mr. Narendra Modi, had not once but zillion times criticized UPA government for just talking and doing nothing. My question now is, what have we done?
[00:07:11] This is my point number two. So I have established that at least from a common person's point of view and a logical point of view, Pakistan does sponsor terrorists. And the second point is that at times one has no choice but war. Why do I say that this war has not been of any effect for India? It has not helped India at all.
[00:07:37] Some of the speakers, some commentators, some YouTubers, some vloggers have spoken about the line that we have drawn where we said that, listen, you know what? Any act of terrorism will be considered as war. So that's a big line we have drawn. Arek line? What line? How does that make a difference? Oh, you think Pakistan says, oh, that is what Narendra Modi said. Now no longer sending insurgents here, no longer sending terrorists to India. Is that how it's going to work?
[00:08:07] I mean, what exactly are we talking about? What does that line mean? Now let me tell you what I am expecting. Of course, I was expecting that at some point in time, India and Pakistan will be sitting on a negotiating table. Of course, I was expecting that. But what I am expecting is that negotiating table should be at our terms, at India's terms. Because we were not the perpetrators.
[00:08:36] It is not arrogance. We were not the perpetrators. They were. That negotiating table should be on our terms. The terms should be set by us. That restrains Pakistan from practicing and propagating and sponsoring terrorism in their country, in their land. And even fearful, mindful and fearful.
[00:09:02] That if they propagate, they promote, they sponsor terrorism, they are in for bad times. Do you know how that treaty makes a difference? That treaty makes a difference is because that treaty shows that we have taught you what we can do to you if you promote terrorism. This is a reminder of that. So, 10 years after your one generation passed, we can still show this treaty and say, 10 years ago, we have done this with you. Keep it up.
[00:09:31] That is why that treaty. And then a ceasefire would have welcomed. Then the civilians who died, the military personals who died, in this particular skirmish itself, their souls would have been pleased. India would have had something to look forward to. I am not saying, therefore, Pakistan will follow all that and Pakistan will be clean next day on.
[00:09:56] But there is at least some level of restraint we had put on Pakistan. This war would have been worth it. Let me make one point very emphatic. The Indian armed force did their job. We are not Pakistan where Marco Rubio has to call up Sabah Sharif first and then also say, Baba Asim Munir, we are not that type. Our country is regimented.
[00:10:25] Our armed force is disciplined. It's a professional force. So, let me tell you, our armed force did their job. My question is to our political administration. My question is to our strategist, our national defense advisor. My question is to all of them. If you didn't, if you couldn't conclude this war, why have a war? You see, I take pride in my country. I am very proud of my country. You know why?
[00:10:54] Because right from 1947, the day I got my independence, the day I got my independence, I have never ever seen another force as somebody who I will bend down to and say, please come and solve my problem. I can't solve my problem. Please come and solve my problem. Be it Jawala Nehru, be it Indira Gandhi, who Nixon and Henry Kissinger had abused. They had abused her. They had abused our country.
[00:11:24] Indira Gandhi asked them to take a walk. Indira Gandhi, the war ensured that there was a result and that result is today's Bangladesh. There was a result to that war. No America could ever talk between us. America tried doing that even with Atal B.R. Iwajpayee, mind you. During Kargil and Atal B.R. Iwajpayee asked America to keep a distance from our problem.
[00:11:53] He said it is our internal issue. This is what we had signed in similar accord. During Mr. Narendra Modi's regime. This is what Sushma Swaraz had to say. Just hear this. So all the things that Pakistan is saying today, all outstanding issues including Jemu and Kashmir, will be talking about everything. But when will it happen? Before the war and the war will be held. Then, if your spirit has been held. This is why it is this war.
[00:12:24] Then, your leadership will be held down to our freedom. Go into that. You can take the spirit of God and the使ils. They're both sans it. In the name of Pakistan and the war and the war will be held. And to our F Sneer, we will have a second party and the war will be held.
[00:12:50] we believed in the fact that there is no we don't need a third party to come and solve our problem we are india bharat this is the bharat we are this is the india we are we don't require third person to come and sort our problem today if you look at the world news if you look at around you if you look at the way the the world views it it is trump who sorted this matter it is trump who tweeted first saying that you know okay i have got both of them
[00:13:19] to see common sense and that's what he said that was his tweet in fact his tweet his tweet said that after a long nights of talks mediated by the united states my god in united day he's saying am pleased to announce that india and pakistan agreed to a full and immediate ceasefire entire credit to united states he says congratulations to both countries on using common sense hello
[00:13:47] he says congratulations to both countries for using common sense common sense okay and great intelligence thank you for your attention in this matter my god you see i don't blame trump and i don't know why people are blaming trump he mediated he claims he mediated neither did india deny it not if nor is pakistani denying it pakistanis are praising him india is
[00:14:14] also not denied mr narendra modik didn't come out and say that no why would trump come and negotiate for us he didn't say that so what am i as a common person to believe that what he's saying is correct because he was the first to announce that there is a ceasefire it is not india it is not pakistan he was the first to announce there is ceasefire so he says that at least you know there was some common sense to these guys and i got this done we spent so many nights baba but we got this
[00:14:41] done finally good are you hyphenating india to pakistan is that what it is are we the same pakistan sponsored terrorism we were defending our country we were defending our innocent people and you hyphenated us and we allowed that to happen is that fair is this nationalism is this the 56
[00:15:08] inches if you get time watch international media yes i am given that both sides have agreed to ceasefire which has been pushed so hard um and to its credit by the united states and by the trump administration and marco rubio they were rather late getting onto this i mean this thing has been going on since tuesday but here we are on saturday it looks as if their words have made a difference they are talking about american interference and their effort to ensure that they brought about peace in india and
[00:15:37] between india and pakistan i'm 55 in my 55 years of existence i have not heard of another country taking credit for whatever we did good bad ugly whatever we did i have never seen any other country trade credit for it and i am absolutely moved today is the first time in my 55 years of existence
[00:16:02] that i see another country taking credit for something that we did or taking or or or or saying that you know we bought about peace we are india we are india and that too at a time where we claim to have 56 inches and vishwa gurus and all that now look at the ramification the repercussions of what happened
[00:16:31] because of trump interference and trump saying that you know i we bought about sleep after sleepless nights we bought about this uh ceasefire you know the repercussions there was another tweet by trump i will read it from the from the section that is important the tweet says additionally i will work with you both to see if after a thousand years solution can be arrived at concerning kashmir god
[00:16:58] bless the leadership of india and pakistan on a job well done you see he is being absolutely neutral india and pakistan is same for him and he says now he is going to interfere in kashmir something that we have been saying no to right from 1947 we said no international interference like i told you the similar accord says the same like i showed you the clip what mrs late mrs sushma swaraj said
[00:17:49] one more point that i wanted to make you see we have been continuously talking about our imagery going up our imagery going up after uh 2014 the whole world looking up to us everybody our friend everybody my friend donald and my friend modi and all that all that was happening did anybody actually support us during this war china came and
[00:18:14] supported pakistan openly pakistan they supported openly azerbaijan and and and turkey and all openly supported pakistan did one country openly support us did america say that we support india they said you know trump said both the countries are my friend baba this is also friend this is also friend this is also friend this is also good this is also good trump sounded like shashi tarur he's also good he's also good
[00:18:45] did they come and and and and support india did he say that we are we are there with india we are there for the sovereignty and and integrity of india did he say that so not a single country came to our aid what foreign relations and what foreign power and what war rukwadi are we talking about so this is the question i
[00:19:07] wanted to ask and i want to end my editor with one very important factor you see our secretary for external affairs vikram mistri ifs i am appalled by the way people are trolling him i am appalled by the way people are writing about him his daughter are we even a society are we even a society what are we doing
[00:19:37] he's an ifs officer he's a he's a he's a government employee he's doing his job when he came in front of the television and he called for ceasefire it was not a decision he made according to trump it is a decision trump made why are you blaming the man he's doing his job and what are we doing what are we
[00:19:59] doing trolling his daughter are we not ashamed as a society shame on us shame on us that we are trolling our own people own government officers so that's the point i wanted to make today till i see you next time and that's tomorrow at 10 namaskar